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What are you expecting from disclosure? What we find is that for many people, it means the official

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acknowledgement of our relationship to intelligence from beyond this world. In other words, they want

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to see an acknowledgement, not just on BBC and CNN, but they want to see it from the Kremlin,

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they want to see it from the White House. I don't know that that's going to happen in that way.

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Disclosure itself has been happening for a long time on many different levels. It just depends on

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what it is that you're expecting to see, what you believe in terms of what you're being shown,

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because obviously there's a narrative around the disclosure, not just the fact that disclosure

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is happening, but how the narrative is being driven. These are things I want to talk to you

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about today. What is disclosure? What does it mean? What are the implications? What's the big deal?

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I've had young people come up to me at some of our events and say, what is the big deal? We all know

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that we're not alone in the universe. Let me just kind of break this down a little bit.

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First of all, this will probably be part one of at least a two-part series because there's so many

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facets of disclosure. I think many of you know that for over 40 years of my adult life, I've been blessed

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to lead people into some of the most isolated and remote and pristine and magnificent and beautiful

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places remaining in the world today for the archaeological sites that we find there,

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but also because of the indigenous people that preserve the wisdom that we find in those archaeological

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sites. So I'll be clear, I have not been with every indigenous tradition, you know, everywhere on the

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planet. Every indigenous tradition that I have ever been with allows for a relationship between

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them, their people, their communities, and a greater family in the cosmos, what they call their space

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family, their space brothers and sisters or whatever. And it's more than just a reference to them.

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There's an interaction that happens, especially when I go into the Andes of southern Peru,

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spend a lot of time leading groups into the Tibetan plateau, the 12 monasteries and two nunneries over

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26 days, and the Tibetan people, among others. And the point is that they all allow for these

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relationships between us and a greater intelligence, an ongoing relationship that began a long time ago.

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It's only in the West where we, in the past, may have had a problem. And I say in the past because

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I believe that we are in the process of being conditioned, we have been since I was a kid,

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of accepting on a deeper level our relationship to intelligence from beyond this world. You know,

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if you're old enough to remember, I mean, some of the first science fiction programs that came out in

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late 50s and early 60s, you know, on black and white television, and some of the first Star Treks

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that came out and lost in space, you know, with an AI intelligent robot that used to wave his arms

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around and say, danger, Will Robinson, danger, Will Robinson, you know, and we laugh about those. But

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those were early efforts to begin conditioning the general population to think differently about

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ourselves and our relationship with the world. And so you say, well, why would we need to think

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differently? Well, I'm going to begin with that. It all comes down to, there were a couple of studies

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that were done. They were done back in the early 1960s. And then they were published later,

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later in the 60s, about what it would mean to us. How would it impact society and civilization

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to know that we're not all that there is, that the world doesn't revolve around us, that there's

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something else out there. And a couple of these think tanks, they did some really interesting

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research. One of them is the RAND Corporation. I know some of you are familiar with them. Another

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one is the Brookings Institute. The RAND Corporation, these are private organizations. I'm looking over

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here. I don't have a formal PowerPoint presentation. I'm going to reference some notes for accuracy,

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and I want to give you some direct quotes. I wanted to put this out quickly so that we could build on

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this because of some of the things that are happening in the news cycles that are coming around

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over the next few days, next couple of weeks. I wanted you to have a little bit of a context from

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my perspective because you've asked for that. So these are private think tanks, private corporations

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that consult with authorities, with US military, with governments all over the world. And the RAND

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Corporation is interesting because when they were asked about their positions, they denied that they

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had done any work or any reference or any acknowledgement of intelligence from beyond our

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world. And finally, through enough asking, and I think it's through freedom of information,

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could have played a role in this, they acknowledged an internal memo. It was dated November 27, 1968,

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where they developed a memo. And it was based, it was broken down into a number of different parts.

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Part five is actually called UFOs, how to proceed and why. So it shows us the RAND Corporation was

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looking into this, and they gave all kinds of scenarios about what could happen. And if these things

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happened, what it would mean. It was kind of like a fault tree, if this, then that, if this, then that.

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So I'm just sharing this because it goes to show they were being asked to explore this and to think

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about it. I think the really important one, probably the one that had the greatest impact, was from the

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Brookings Institute. This is from 1962. And I'm going to read directly from this. I want to get this right.

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And what they were doing, the Brookings Institute was taking case histories from anthropological studies

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here on earth. What did it mean to societies that had been cut off from the rest of the world? So these

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are tribes that were, and again, this is back in the 60s. And these were new tribes that were being found

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in primarily in South America and Africa, or in the Pacific on islands that had been cut off

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from, you know, from, you know, the rest of the world. And by being cut off, this is the important thing.

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were absolutely certain of their place

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in the world and of their place in the cosmos. They had

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a very, they were very entrenched in an idea of who they were

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and where they're, they were and with relation to the rest of the cosmos. Now we're not cut off from

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one another, but as a society, this applies to us. We have been conditioned to be very certain,

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very human-centric about who we are and our relationship to the world. Now there have always

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been people, and maybe in your family and certainly in my family, you know, we've always acknowledged

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that, you know, the universe is a big place. And as Carl Sagan said, it would be a terrible waste of

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space if we're all that there is, and we know that they're not. As a scientist, I have studied the

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archaeological, the anthropological evidence, the fossil records. I'm going to begin talking about

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those in some of the other programs. So I've always been very open to the idea. And for me,

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it wasn't a problem. It's never been a problem for me. But let me share with you

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why it was a problem, according to people at the Brookings Institute, and how this thinking led to

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the hiding of information that was coming out in the 20th century. So here's a direct quote

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universe. So this is what I was just mentioning, which have disintegrated when they have had to

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associate with previously unfamiliar societies, espousing different ideas and different life ways.

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as a society. Those that did continue their societies, those that survived such an experience,

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usually did so by paying a very high price of changes in values and attitudes and behaviors.

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So this is the official thinking back in the 1960s, when it comes to the public revelation of what was

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happening with crash sites, with recoveries, not just in the United States, but these were happening all

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over the world. Recently, we're finding as far back as 1933, a vehicle, an extraterrestrial vehicle

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had crashed in Italy during the rule of Mussolini and was given to the US because of our relationship

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with them at the time and technical expertise. In the cultural traditions of all those places that I

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mentioned previously, from the Andes Mountains and the Tibetans, they've always had records, written

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records, oral traditions, and in some cases have actually harbored the occupants of the vehicles that have

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crashed or landed on Earth among the indigenous populations and they have learned from them and

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communicated with them over a period of many years and developed their cosmology based upon those

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relationships. So I'm going to talk about that more in another video. What I want to talk to you about

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right now is the disclosure itself, the way it's happening, how it's being presented to us, and what it may

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mean and what the concerns are about that. So there is a process. It's a concerted process

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that is becoming a little bit more apparent. A congressional testimony that the US is two things,

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in possession, well first, has a secret crash recovery program, number one. Number two is in possession

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of non-human aircraft or non-human aircraft, and number three, in possession of non-human bodies,

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biological recovery. So this is kind of where things are right now, and you can see that this is

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not spontaneous. This is a directed rollout. Some people are calling this a soft disclosure rather

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than, boom, just coming out one day and saying, we interrupt this program, you know, for a special,

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like we do in the movies, for a special report. And you see, you know, the Kremlin in Moscow and the

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president in the White House and leaders in all over the world simultaneously making this announcement.

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That hasn't happened. And I don't know, again, that it will, because that would be a hard disclosure.

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This is soft disclosure, where it's coming out kind, I believe, for a couple of reasons,

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soft disclosure. One, I think it is testing the public to see how the public responds to this.

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And number two, there appear to be different camps that have different visions and different agendas

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regarding disclosure, if it should happen at all. There's some that still don't want it to happen.

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Younger people are now coming into those jobs and those careers that have kept a lot of the secret.

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And older ones who signed those non-disclosures, including some of the former astronauts,

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who signed the non-disclosures saying, you know, we can't talk about what we experienced on lunar

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surface. We can't talk about what happened when we were at the space station. Our pilots say, you know,

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we can't talk about what happened on our reconnaissance missions. All of them believing

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that those non-disclosures were temporary. That surely, I mean, the astronauts, and I've had the

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opportunity to tour and to speak with and to know some of the former astronauts, and they all felt,

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you know, it was the Cold War years. It was a different time. So disclosures were okay. Surely,

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by the end of their lifetimes, something this big would be made known because of the implications.

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It wasn't. And so now they are dying. They're on their deathbeds, and they don't want to take the

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secret to the grave. So some of them in their, you know, last days or last hours of life are revealing,

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you know, what it is that is happening. I mean, can you imagine? Can you imagine the having a direct

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experience that could change forever the lives of every man, woman, and child on the face of the earth?

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Having that as a military man or a woman, so you're under oath, and you're, you know, you're on your

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mission, and being forbidden from sharing something like this when you see the world in the condition

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that the world is in right now, and how this information could help the world and change the

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world in truly beautiful ways. Emotionally, what would that mean? And there are all kinds of stories.

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I had the opportunity from a conference. At one time, I was leaving a conference going back to the

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airport. And I was sharing a van with a lot of women, and I didn't know who those women were.

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And it was a long drive back to from the city where the conference was back to the airport.

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And so we started talking, and they were astronauts wives. And apparently there was something called the

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Astronauts Wives Club, where they come together and console and comfort and support one another in

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difficult missions. And they were sharing among themselves what they had seen their husbands go

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through emotionally and psychologically, because most of them were not trained. This is a part

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of the training the military doesn't do a lot of. Emotionally, what do you do with that kind of

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information? And sadly, there are stories, and we've all heard this. This isn't a secret. I mean,

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it's very public. Many of them turned to drugs and alcohol to help desensitize them from the

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emotional pain and the mental pain and the psychological pain of not being able to share

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these extraordinary experiences, even with they weren't supposed to share them with anyone,

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even with their spouses. So I had the opportunity to hear some of those stories.

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So the disclosure, we're in it. It's happening. And it has been happening. It's just happening on a

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little bit different level now. So I want to talk about a couple of different implications.

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Let me begin with the technological implication. We often hear about, although there are records of our

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interaction, the archaeological, anthropological, cultural records of our interaction with intelligence

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from beyond this world that go back thousands of years, it wasn't happening in the technological

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society that we have right now. So when we have those interactions in a technological society,

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it means something different. It means that we can up-level our technology.

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And that's exactly what began to happen. If you remember back in the 90s, if you're old enough to

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remember back in the 50s and 60s, many of you know, I'm just giving an example, I'm a musician.

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And when I'm not doing what I'm doing now, and I remember my guitar amplifier in the late 1950s and early 1960s,

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when I put that amplifier on a stage and it was dark, behind that amp was lit up with this soft

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violet glow from the vacuum tubes that were called, and some of you musicians will know this,

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they're called 6L6 power vacuum tubes in the back of the amplifiers, in the head of, for example,

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a big silver tone amplifier or something like that. Because we were still living in the age where

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everything was running on vacuum tubes. Young people have never seen, young people today,

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I've been in audiences, they have no idea what a vacuum tube is. They've never seen them

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because we live in a world of miniaturized components and printed circuits. And those are

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the result of reverse engineering in the 1950s and 60s that was happening from technology that

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was coming to this world. It either crashed or been brought down or landed intentionally,

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but was kept secret, kept under wraps. And it's really interesting how quickly we made that leap

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from vacuum tubes and in the mysteries of life. And all of a sudden we had insights into DNA,

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all of a sudden we had insights into miniaturized technology, micro circuits, transistors,

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resistors, capacitors, without the vulnerability of those vacuum tubes. And this is one of the

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implications. So one of the concerns, people say, well, what would it mean if we had that disclosure?

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There's the technological implication. The moment that we have this disclosure, that we have technology

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from other intelligence, other civilizations, either other planets or other star systems more likely.

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And it's not based on the burning of something to release the energy. All of our energy is based on,

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we burn something that has captured sunlight, either it's coal or it's wood or it's,

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you know, the fossil fuels or whatever it is. But we have to destroy something to capture the energy to

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drive whatever it is we're going to be driving. Turbines for electricity, you know, or automobiles or,

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you know, whatever it is. Presumably the technology that has brought an intelligent form of life from

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another star system, it's not going to be based on that. It's going to be based upon fundamental

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principles of physics drawing energy from the very foundation of the field that underlies all

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existence. Something called the Planck field, named after Max Planck, the physicist, the early 20th

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century. And this is no secret. Again, we know this and physicists work with this. Tiny fluctuations

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on the quantum level that can be captured in those fluctuations, those movements can be harnessed

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and amplified into meaningful forms of energy. The moment we do that, we no longer, I mean,

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think about what that means. We no longer need a fossil fuel. We don't need nuclear power. We don't need

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natural gas. We don't need gasoline in the tanks of our cars. We don't need to burn wood. We no longer

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need power lines to carry energy across our society, across our communities, our nations, our planet,

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under the oceans. Communication changes. Industries will change. And for some people, that change is

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frightening. And it's frightening because they're looking at it from a perspective of loss. And that is

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one perspective based in fear. There are other perspectives. Yes, it would change the industry.

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It would open the door to new industries, new technologies. So what that would mean, for example,

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everyone would have a device sitting in your home somewhere and in a closet somewhere. And that device

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would be powering everything in your home with no wires, not plugged into the wall. It doesn't need to be

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renewed because it's drawing on the Planck vacuum, the infinite supply of energy that we have available

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to us today. The same with an automobile. Automobiles would have a little gadget. They're about this big,

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the ones, the prototypes that I've seen that would sit in, you know, somewhere in the trunk of the car

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or under the hood or wherever it is. There would be no fuel. You would still need fossil fuels.

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For the other 6,000 applications in our daily lives that are based upon fossil fuels, we simply

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would no longer be burning it. So if we're really concerned about climate change, if for those that

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really believe that CO2 is driving the climate change, even though the science, the peer-reviewed

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science doesn't support that, maybe contributing, it's not the cause. And we can say that because

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the climate change would be here even if humans were not here. We can see that in the geologic record.

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by the science, I talk about this in the other videos, but if you really believe those things,

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I would think you would want this energy. You would want the disclosure to reveal this kind of energy.

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But ultimately, in a world where we are seeing the effort to remake the world, the Great Reset,

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to consolidate power, to centralize power of energy and electricity, to centralize finances,

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to centralize government, to centralize food production, a source of energy like this would do

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just the opposite. It would free us from the bonds and the shackles of the fear and the control

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control of those who want to have power over the masses. And it would free humankind for the first

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time, I think, in 5,000 years of recorded human history, making energy available to every man,

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woman and child that wants it. There are indigenous communities that don't want energy. I've visited with

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them, and I respect that, but those that want it. And it would unleash innovation and imagination and

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creativity to begin building a world that we all know is possible in our hearts. We would see that

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in our lives. We could have had these possibilities between 70 and 100 years ago because that's how long

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we've had the technology. So when this disclosure happens, this is one of the implications, the

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technological implications. Another implication is social implication, and this is what the

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Brookings Institute was talking about. What does it mean to society when we think, man, we're it,

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and all of a sudden we find out we're maybe a little it in the presence of a much bigger it? What does that

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mean? Well, interestingly, the Catholic Church has had to come to terms with this, and I have

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I have a statement from them. Very interesting. The Jesuits, I think many of you know, are the scientific

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arm of the Catholic Church. The Jesuits had a conference and released a paper. What would the

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existence of intelligent extraterrestrials? Would it be consistent with Catholic belief? I think the

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question is funny. Are you going to have an unintelligent extraterrestrial? I mean,

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if they're here from somewhere else, they're obviously very intelligent. You know, our civilization,

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you think about this. Civilization, we're told, began about 5,000 years ago. That's this cycle of

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civilization. Technology is only science is only about 300 years old. Who or whatever it is that's

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coming to visit us presumably has been around much, much longer. Look at what we've accomplished in 300

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years and then take that to the level. What would it mean if you, for 1,000 years, which is nothing,

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or 5,000 or 10,000 years of a civilization in terms of AI, artificial intelligence, holographic

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projections, longevity, healing. I mean, all those things. So with the Catholic Church, their

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official stance, I'm going to read this to you directly. It says,

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the discovery of life on other worlds would not at all be inconsistent with Catholic belief,

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since it reflects the ability of the Creator to establish creatures wherever and whenever He wishes.

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So they're saying that if, they're not saying it's out there, they're saying if we find it,

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it's not a problem for Catholic tradition, because the Creator, one Creator, can create life anywhere.

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to be saved from whatever perdition they have because our religion and the religion that these people

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have been indoctrinated into leads them to believe that this is the only place where that can happen.

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So it's really interesting to see some of the social implications that are happening here. So,

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socially, what would that mean? And I think it would mean that the superpowers that have called

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themselves superpowers in the past are maybe not as super as they would like themselves to believe.

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It's interesting because most of the disclosure is coming through military channels.

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And my concern regarding that is that the military has viewed the the craft that they cannot account

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for. Some of the craft in the footage are ours. We have reverse engineered them. We're flying them.

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Our pilots don't know how to fly them. I personally have seen one of these in North. I've seen more than

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one, but I've seen one up very close in northern New Mexico. And absolutely certain it was ours.

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It didn't make a sound. It didn't move fast. Just, you know, very, really, really interesting. This is back in the late 90s.

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So, the concern is that from a military perspective, what's happening in the news is we're being told there are things in our skies that we don't know what they are,

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but don't worry because we'll protect you. So, the military is taking a stance, at least publicly, that looking at this as a threat.

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Honestly, my perspective is if you've come from a civilization, either a star system away or even planets away, and you've got the power to be here, you've got the technology,

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if you were ever going to hurt the people of the Earth, it could have happened any time, you know, over the last 200,000 years. That's how long we've been here.

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I don't think they're coming to hurt us. That's my perspective. Now, there's indications that our ancestors tell us there are multiple intelligences,

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and some of them are more benevolent than others. Some of them, it's not that they're mean, it is that they are very goal-oriented.

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And if their goal is, you know, to find a planet to live on, then it may be that if there's anything standing between them and that goal, they have the means to remedy that.

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So, I think we're looking at more, and again, as a scientist, I'm sharing it with you from the scientific perspective.

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My personal feeling, my personal understanding from dealing with indigenous people is we are dealing with multiple intelligences from other worlds because Earth is a really interesting place for a lot of reasons, and one of those is because of our biology.

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And that leads me to the third implication, the biological implication. We have bodies. Native Americans here in northern New Mexico have found living survivors, and they lived with them, according to their reports.

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I did not meet them personally, according to their reports, and they lived with them, and they learned from them.

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And while they are biologically not human, as we would call human, they are DNA-based, and our DNA, through our DNA, we have to have a common ancestor.

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There's a common ancestry that seeded DNA in this cosmos, and so there is a relationship, maybe a distant, distant cousin, but they have two arms, they have two legs, they have two eyes.

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You know, they, apparently from the autopsies, their internal organs function a little bit differently, but they do have lungs, they do breathe oxygen, so even though they're not us exactly, we are similar enough that we have a common ancestor somewhere a long time ago, and there's a whole story that we can go into behind that.

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So what does that mean, if they have been around for hundreds of years, what does that mean, the implications for healing, and the implications for longevity, and those have implications in industries that exist today, the medical industry, the pharmaceutical industry, and all these things.

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So we're seeing, we're seeing pushback from the old guard, we're seeing young people that want to embrace the new information, this is happening in politics.

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I remember, I live in the state of New Mexico again, our governor, Bill Richardson, was a governor from what years? From 2003 to 2011, Bill Richardson.

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And one of the things that he did when he became governor is his, the story goes, he didn't tell me this personally, but the story is that his wife asked him to look into this and see if there was any truth to what had happened in Roswell, New Mexico, it's our state here, back in the mid-1940s, and he ran up against a brick wall.

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He could not find, he wasn't given access to that information. Some of our former presidents wanted to come forward with it, and things happened in their administrations that sidetracked them from being able to do that.

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So the point is that we are living a time now where the technology that we have will be deeply influenced by disclosure.

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That was not the case 300 years ago, you know, or maybe even 100 years ago, per se. Not the way it is right now.

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And our society will be deeply influenced by disclosure in terms of the consolidation of power, the centralization of control, levied by fear.

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Because I think what will happen is, when the disclosure happens at the level that we suspect this is going, that we're going to think of ourselves differently.

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We will, one of two things will happen. We either have to deny that we are part of a greater community, and then you don't have to deal with it.

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So, there's an old saying, denial is a big river in Egypt. And there are some people that will do that.

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Some people will be so locked into their either religious or spiritual doctrine that they will resist the implications.

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A lot of people, I think, will be open to the implications.

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And the power structures that are alive and well and bustling in our world today that are all jockeying for power.

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You can see this happening. They're jockeying for the best position as the world goes into the great shift, the great reset.

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Geologically, there are things happening now and in our near future.

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Climatologically, things are happening now and in our near future that are very different from what we've lived in the past.

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And there's a jockeying for positions of power and control.

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And disclosure is going to be a part of that.

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And I think it's up to us.

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It's up to us in terms of how we accept it in our lives.

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So, I am going to invite you to do your own due diligence.

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Look into this, but look into it from beyond the mainstream media, because that is the narrative that's being directed.

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There's a narrative out there.

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Seven corporations own all the major media in the West, including Sky News, BBC, PBS, NPR, Fox, MSNBC, CNN, MSN.

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I mean, all of it, as different as they look to us on the outside, there is a common thread.

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And when a narrative is driven, you will hear the words and the language identical throughout all of these.

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And this is happening with disclosure.

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So, I'm going to invite you to go beyond.

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I mean, it's interesting to watch it, certainly.

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And there are some good independent sources that you can see in social media, media, social media, kinds of media.

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Let me invite you to go into your heart, because there is a neural network of about 40,000 sensory neurites in every human heart discovered in 1991.

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And although we've been conditioned away from using this reliably in the modern world, this was a foundation for our ancestors.

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It's a foundation for indigenous traditions all over the world.

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It's a foundation for deep intuition.

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It is a foundation for the coherence between the heart and the brain that gives us access to our own biology so that we can self-regulate our immune system and our longevity enzymes.

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And super memory and super learning and super cognition and resilience to change and all of that begins in the heart.

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And, you know, I've talked about in all the other videos.

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I don't want to be redundant here.

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I'm going to invite you to go into your heart when you hear what it is that's happening.

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And I think this is going to be really important, because if we are given a reason to fear our relationship to intelligence beyond our world, if we're given that reason, the question is, it's our choice in terms of how we respond to that fear.

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And ultimately, I think this is what disclosure is going to do with each of us.

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It's going to drive us to come to terms with who we are in this world, who we are in the cosmos, who we are spiritually, and what a deeper relationship with intelligence from beyond our lives can mean to us.

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And we're all going to have different answers to that.

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But the way we answer that individually is going to determine collectively how we move forward with what is now being called disclosure.

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And moving through the nation, there's a lot of tough times, a lot of difficult things happening.

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But in the midst of all that, there is optimism that something is afoot, something is happening that is ultimately going to make life better for all of us.

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It's hard to isolate one thing, because there's so many things happening simultaneously.

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There are certainly local politics here in our nation.

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There are geopolitics that are happening.

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There is the disclosure process that is kind of a backdrop for all of this.

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And it's all happening at the same time.

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And I think to some degree, it's all interrelated.

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Or orchestrated.

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I was just going to say that.

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The way the information comes out.

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So the disclosure, for example, I'm fascinated by the process.

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I'm optimistic.

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I'm also a realist.

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And realistically, when I sit down and think about it, John, it's still talk.

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All that has happened are words.

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We still have not seen anything physical come up in a congressional hearing or anything other than, you know, eluding people talking, other people that have direct access to this.

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And I don't doubt that it's there.

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But I think it's interesting.

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If we're going to have this disclosure, why not just bring this stuff forward and say, you know, here's an example.

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You know, I've told you before that I got this group together years ago to talk about how the potential implications of disclosure.

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And we used some fairly sophisticated software to try to map the second and third order potential implications of this.

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And we came up with something like 38 different scenarios and only three of them didn't blow up in some kind of way or another.

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And I can assure you that the people in the government have some sense and idea about that in general and that they are, for whatever reason, and however they've decided to do this.

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I mean, they are kind of opening their kimono in a way.

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Now, it'd be naive to suggest that it's, you know, all open and above board and there is no underlying objectives or, you know, things.

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Because, you know, I sat across the table from Lou Elizondo once at lunch and said, you know, somebody inside the system said it was okay for you to come and talk about this.

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And he'd say, what makes you say that?

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And I said, because you're sitting across the table from me.

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And I know enough about how this thing works to know that you wouldn't be dead if you were out running around, you know, freelancing around a subject like this that was as highly classified as this was.

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And so there is some kind of decisions been made.

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I mean, I always come back, as I said to you in the past about this and to others, is to say, you know, if they were going to do this, why wouldn't they kind of naturally?

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I mean, they've conditioned the space for this sequentially more and more and more over many kind of years with movies and other kinds of stuff.

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And so it's antithetical to the whole kind of operation of government, the psychology of government to do jolts to the system.

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I mean, what they're trying, what they always are trying to do is to smooth things over and get so it's predictable in a sense.

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And so I just don't know how else they'd do it.

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And I understand all the arguments and a lot of people raise about the methodology and then they presume that it's all being orchestrated and so on.

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And it'd be stupid not to think that there was a sense of orchestration.

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But on the other hand, I know some of these guys and I've been convinced that they're just trying to do what they think is the right thing to do.

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I know some as well, and I agree with you, John.

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I think they are, they personally are coming from a good place.

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They may not be aware or maybe they are aware that they are, I'm not going to use the word pawn because that has negative implications,

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but they are certainly players on a chessboard that are being influenced by, you know, by higher influences so that they can come forward and do what they're doing now.

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I guess the last two weeks since we had one of our quartet sessions, I made the point to go through and just sat down to a couple of hours

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and watched as many of the pieces, not just the testimony, but what's interesting is you've got one piece of testimony,

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then you've got all of the media sources that are now reporting on that testimony.

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And the thing that has really seemed to become a focus is a frightening and negative possibility that these forms of life from other worlds are a threat to us.

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And so they're really capitalizing on a few statements that said that people have died, Americans have died, military has died.

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And whether or not it was intentional or not, they don't know.

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I mean, if you've got a form of energy and propulsion that's based on something that's so different than what we understand,

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and you make contact with that field, I can see where that wouldn't be good for, you know, a human body.

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I don't know that that's intentional, but it's being positioned that way.

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Well, I understand, but, you know, the people that own the secrets are the military and the intelligence community.

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And the military and the intelligence community do not come out and say humanity is evolving,

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and this is part of the evolution of humanity, and we need to embrace these people and look for, you know, ways in which we're...

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No, they're from the intelligence community and from the government and from the Department of Defense.

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They're hardwired to look at this thing in terms of defense and threats and so on.

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I mean, that they put the name, Thread, in terms of the institutional names that are all about this thing.

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I mean, I spent a lot of time running around and time in that organization,

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and there was just nobody that wasn't trying to, you know, defend the United States against threats.

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I mean, that's what they all believe.

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And so I just always come around saying, well, how else would you do this?

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There needs to be a counter.

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See, there is no function in government for building the good news and the bigger picture.

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I have advocated, I've built plans and proposals, and I've sent them to the White House for having a White House office of the future

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that would look at these kinds of different scenarios and across the government about where it was all going

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and what the positive and what the implications might be and to be able to craft and integrate it in this super kind of perspective

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that would not just be the product of one of the institutions, one of the departments, one of the government,

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each of which have, you know, the Department of Housing and Urban Development sees the world through the lens of housing and urban development.

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And so there is, it's, from my experience, you just look at it and say, yeah, that's what they would do.

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Now, the question is, as you've suggested, is how do you find an alternative, an effective alternative narrative?

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How do you position this in a different kind of way that starts to raise the larger kind of question?

373
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:10,960
But I don't know how you get it out of the government without it coming out the way it's doing.

374
00:44:11,460 --> 00:44:17,720
Well, you know, I think, I think, at least in my experience, my circles as I travel the world,

375
00:44:17,720 --> 00:44:29,440
not just here in my rural community, more often than not, the everyday person doesn't have much of a problem with disclosure

376
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:40,340
and has pretty much accepted it either in their family or in their culture or in their religion that we are part of a greater community.

377
00:44:40,780 --> 00:44:45,280
It's the power structures that are having that. It's not the people. It's the power structures.

378
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:50,100
It's the power structures. The government is always to get us into wars. The people don't do that.

379
00:44:50,240 --> 00:44:55,380
It is. It is. So it's, it's, religion has a problem with that.

380
00:44:55,520 --> 00:45:02,000
And certainly industry, certain industries have a problem because they're, they're very short-sighted.

381
00:45:02,100 --> 00:45:04,840
What they see is a threat to the current way of doing things.

382
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:15,100
They're not looking at all the potential of all the new applications from new technology that will be open and, and where that leads us.

383
00:45:15,100 --> 00:45:21,040
So it's, it's just interesting to, you know, to see how that whole thing is, is coming down.

384
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:28,160
It's, I think I mentioned this to you once before, actually the first time, I think the first time you and I met,

385
00:45:28,660 --> 00:45:31,440
I had just done a program at the DC Convention Center.

386
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:45,440
And I was talking about a book called The God Code that came out in 2004 and, and the, the intelligent information encoded into the human genome.

387
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:53,220
And my question was, if we ever had DNA from another form of life, would it have those same patterns?

388
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:59,180
And then we took a break and there was, there were a couple of guys that had come into the room in dark suits.

389
00:45:59,180 --> 00:46:05,740
And, and one of them came up to me and he said, you know, let me know when you, when you'd like to see that.

390
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:10,780
And he gave me some phone numbers, but the, the question I asked him, John, I think this goes to your point.

391
00:46:10,780 --> 00:46:14,500
I said, do you have a problem with what I'm saying here?

392
00:46:14,740 --> 00:46:16,000
And it was really interesting.

393
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:18,100
He said, we don't have a problem.

394
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:20,260
We're, we don't know.

395
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:21,760
And I don't know who we is.

396
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:26,220
He just said, we don't know exactly how to share this information.

397
00:46:26,820 --> 00:46:28,700
So I, I, I'd asked him the question.

398
00:46:28,740 --> 00:46:29,880
I said, why are you in this room?

399
00:46:29,900 --> 00:46:31,160
Why'd you come see me speak?

400
00:46:31,720 --> 00:46:37,640
And he said, we wanted to see how you were coming at this because we don't really know the best way.

401
00:46:37,720 --> 00:46:39,100
There's so many different ways.

402
00:46:39,100 --> 00:46:41,240
We don't know the best way to do this.

403
00:46:41,240 --> 00:46:43,200
And then I said, do you have a problem with what I'm doing?

404
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:50,460
And he said, no, he said, because you're doing it responsibly, you know, you're not asking for a revolution or, you know, anything.

405
00:46:50,460 --> 00:46:54,420
And you're, you're professionally and responsibly and objectively saying this.

406
00:46:54,520 --> 00:47:04,460
So it told me then that number one, we've already got the DNA and number two, they want to, at least there is a segment that wants this to be known.

407
00:47:04,460 --> 00:47:09,760
And they're looking, they are looking for the best way, you know, to go about doing that.

408
00:47:10,020 --> 00:47:20,500
So, yeah, but the problem is the system, the system has lied to humans about just about everything.

409
00:47:20,500 --> 00:47:29,920
And so it has no kind of intrinsic credibility, or at least for thinking people, as far as I'm concerned.

410
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:42,820
And that means that even if the, you know, you think about this, if Joe Biden stood up and said, you know, the aliens are here and this is really great and it's going to help us all and everything.

411
00:47:42,820 --> 00:47:49,520
You know, there's a whole bunch of people are going to sit back and they're going to say, what the world is this guy trying to do?

412
00:47:50,060 --> 00:47:52,740
You know, what are the, what's his motivation?

413
00:47:52,900 --> 00:47:55,220
Because the government doesn't talk like that.

414
00:47:55,460 --> 00:47:59,360
And this guy, and it's all politics and wow, we're coming up to an election.

415
00:47:59,820 --> 00:48:02,540
And it's just really hard.

416
00:48:02,660 --> 00:48:05,380
The system does not lend itself to that.

417
00:48:05,380 --> 00:48:15,880
And so you need, in a sense, you need the Stephen Greers of the world who are raising an alternative perspective, an intelligent alternative perspective.

418
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:23,680
I don't agree with everything Stephen says, but, you know, if you didn't have that, then all you would have is the government and you really wouldn't want that.

419
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:31,700
And so somehow there's needs to be a different story and the story needs to be a coherent story.

420
00:48:32,580 --> 00:48:35,480
And I, I don't know.

421
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:46,640
Well, you know, it's, it's interesting that all of this, I'm a big picture kind of guy, systems thinker, and I'm looking, all of this is happening within the context,

422
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:56,100
the backdrop of a world that is marching toward increasingly escalated levels of conflict.

423
00:48:56,940 --> 00:49:05,600
And what this says to me, and having worked in the defense industry during the Cold War years, for, at that time it was Martin Marietta, now it's Lockheed Martin,

424
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:12,860
is that the technology that's been reverse engineered by the military, obviously it's used for military applications.

425
00:49:12,860 --> 00:49:18,240
That means we've got weapons that we've never heard of available to us.

426
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:24,860
And now we're looking at the potential of escalation and all the talk about a nuclear exchange.

427
00:49:25,660 --> 00:49:29,480
And I'm, I'm wondering if these weapons don't render nukes obsolete.

428
00:49:30,020 --> 00:49:40,600
If, if the, the kinds of weapons they're talking about now, energy-based weapons that take out life, but they don't take out the city.

429
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:44,920
They don't take out the agriculture like a, like a nuclear weapon would do.

430
00:49:45,140 --> 00:49:48,220
I'm wondering if we're going to see something like that pop up.

431
00:49:48,580 --> 00:49:59,500
We're looking at the movement to digitize the world, including the people of the world to, to have us all in, in somehow the digital database between the time we did our last quartet.

432
00:49:59,500 --> 00:50:06,600
And today the developer of ChatGPT released a new digital currency called the WorldCoin.

433
00:50:06,720 --> 00:50:08,160
I think you're probably familiar with it.

434
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:26,340
And the way to entice people to get acquainted with this is he has a device called the Orb, O-R-B, that he is circulating around the world and people are lining up, they'll, they're lining up for blocks.

435
00:50:26,540 --> 00:50:29,480
They'll, they'll get there at two o'clock in the morning and camp out.

436
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:35,200
And what the Orb does is it will take your biometric information.

437
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:49,140
So you look into the Orb, the lens, it's a retinal scan and whatever other biometrics and in exchange for you doing that, they are giving free WorldCoin that people believe will increase in value.

438
00:50:49,140 --> 00:50:53,120
What you and I, and most of our viewers probably say, well, that's crazy.

439
00:50:53,280 --> 00:51:00,160
The young people are flocking in the big cities like New York and LA and places like that.

440
00:51:00,420 --> 00:51:01,500
They're flocking.

441
00:51:01,660 --> 00:51:02,880
They want to participate.

442
00:51:03,140 --> 00:51:04,560
They want to be in this database.

443
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:06,260
They want the WorldCoin.

444
00:51:06,260 --> 00:51:35,260
And it is one more facet of this whole big picture that we're moving toward centralization within the context of disclosure, within the context of, of all this conflict, we're moving toward this, the centralization and the, the goal stated goal from the great reset is to have a global database of every human on the face of the earth.

445
00:51:35,260 --> 00:51:39,820
And this appears to be an effective method for at least one demographic.

446
00:51:40,020 --> 00:51:51,220
A lot of people will never participate in this way, but they are capturing a large demographic of, of young people who are, think this is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

447
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:54,380
And I'm, I thought it was a joke at first.

448
00:51:54,760 --> 00:52:03,080
And then I realized it wasn't because the developer is a pretty serious guy and chat GPT is very effective.

449
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:06,180
And I think any other thing he's, he does is going to be effective.

450
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:20,880
And then I was just kind of blown away, John, by how easily people, young people would be lured into divulging something as intimate as their own biometric data into a database.

451
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:25,620
They have no idea where this information is going to go, how it's going to be used.

452
00:52:26,420 --> 00:52:29,860
And they're not even aware of the context within which this is happening.

453
00:52:29,860 --> 00:52:32,260
The, the great reset context.

454
00:52:32,420 --> 00:52:35,660
And this is, like I said, it's all in the mix right now.

455
00:52:35,780 --> 00:52:37,320
So I don't know where it goes.

456
00:52:37,720 --> 00:52:38,980
It's just, we're in it.

457
00:52:38,980 --> 00:52:40,860
And the only way I love it is to go through it.

458
00:52:40,900 --> 00:52:42,500
And we're going through it right now.

459
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:46,880
Well, where it goes is any of a number of places.

460
00:52:46,880 --> 00:53:09,020
And as I mentioned to you earlier, I've been talking to Neil Howe, who is part of the Neil Howe and Bill Strauss couple that have, that wrote the extraordinary book called Fourth Turning, which talks about the cyclical nature of American social generational kind of evolution.

461
00:53:09,020 --> 00:53:14,860
And how that there are four different kind of characteristic groups, column A, B, C, and D.

462
00:53:14,940 --> 00:53:16,180
And then they repeat themselves.

463
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:22,360
And at the end of the fourth one, each one of them is a generation, 20, 22 years.

464
00:53:22,540 --> 00:53:25,240
And at the end of the fourth one, there's a fourth turning.

465
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:33,980
And there's always a big, amazing kind of thing that happens, civil wars, World War II, and so on at the end of these things.

466
00:53:33,980 --> 00:53:43,620
And so his new book is something like Living Through, it just came out a week or so ago, and it's called Living Through the Fourth Turning.

467
00:53:44,580 --> 00:53:49,200
And I've come through to the back and found the scenarios in the back.

468
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:53,820
And one of his scenarios is that there's a civil war in the United States.

469
00:53:53,940 --> 00:53:58,600
Another one says there's an external major war, not an internal one.

470
00:53:59,060 --> 00:54:02,500
And the third one is kind of a combination of the two.

471
00:54:02,500 --> 00:54:19,680
And he lines up all of the different characteristics that point toward from history about civil wars and how they happen, how they manifest themselves, what are the underlying dynamics, how they progress.

472
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:28,440
And, you know, his, I haven't gotten to the end of the book, so I can't tell you what the end of the thing is yet.

473
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:43,480
But it's certainly, you know, in similar terms that kind of Martin Armstrong does, talks about that there is before the light at the end of this tunnel, there is a lot of disruption that's going to happen in the next few years.

474
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:57,060
And it is going to be very interesting in the terms that you're talking about, and in terms of the objectives that we're interested in, that is to say this new evolutionary jump and the move to a new human.

475
00:54:57,060 --> 00:55:08,300
How do you, how do you, how do you do that with the generational types and groups of people who have this point of view that you've just described?

476
00:55:08,300 --> 00:55:15,860
How do you, how do you make this through this kind of whole cohort of people?

477
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:21,340
What, what, how does that turn out downstream and such?

478
00:55:21,500 --> 00:55:27,340
Because it seems to be so counterproductive, dysfunctional even to you and me.

479
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:31,080
And so I sympathize with your point of view.

480
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:42,720
Well, this is, you know, when I say I'm optimistic, I'm not looking at the world through rose colored glasses, I'm a realist, and we're going to go through tough times before we get to, to whatever's on the other side.

481
00:55:42,720 --> 00:56:00,940
My optimism, John, is I believe that we have an opportunity, a rare and precious opportunity for this rare and precious moment in time, where we can not manipulate or control, but we can participate in this evolutionary process.

482
00:56:00,940 --> 00:56:11,960
And we, I believe, have the ability to determine whether we come in a soft landing or a really hard landing or something, something in between.

483
00:56:12,380 --> 00:56:18,740
And I think one of the keys, John, and I'm a student of this, and I'm still learning.

484
00:56:18,740 --> 00:56:40,380
It is about learning to listen to the younger generation, because as you just stated perfectly, is they think differently, they have different expectations, because they have been fed information, funneled information for at least two generations now,

485
00:56:40,380 --> 00:56:55,000
that leads them to a different conclusion about who they are, what their relationship in life to the world is, and what it means, what their lives mean, what are the possibilities in their lives.

486
00:56:55,000 --> 00:57:02,320
And they're not being told the things that you and I were told when we were kids that, you know, we were in a land of opportunity.

487
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:12,000
It wasn't guaranteed outcomes, no guarantees, but the guaranteed opportunity to work hard to achieve and accomplish a goal.

488
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:24,480
Our young people are not being told that, and they're being told that they're victims of a corrupt and broken system based upon hate, racism, all of these things.

489
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:41,760
And so when I listen to the way they think of themselves and their relationship to the world, it helps me to understand what words to say and how to reach them with a message of hope and possibility.

490
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:56,100
Again, no guarantees, but the opportunity to participate, rather than feeling like this is all happening to us, that we are part of the solutions.

491
00:57:56,460 --> 00:58:00,320
And I think there's a nuance there, and it's a very powerful nuance.

492
00:58:01,740 --> 00:58:05,280
And there are some young people that, I'll just, here's a real life example.

493
00:58:05,860 --> 00:58:07,720
I'm a rural area in northern New Mexico.

494
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:10,940
I got a pickup truck, went to get some new tires on my pickup truck.

495
00:58:10,940 --> 00:58:16,260
I went to the tire shop, and the guy said, well, the good news is we've got them in stock.

496
00:58:16,340 --> 00:58:19,960
He said, the bad news is, he said, we close at 6 p.m.

497
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:24,660
He says, but I'll work until 8 or 9 tonight to get this done.

498
00:58:24,780 --> 00:58:28,240
And I said, well, you know, why is it going to take so long?

499
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:30,300
He was 29 years old.

500
00:58:30,500 --> 00:58:33,280
He said, we can't get anybody to work.

501
00:58:33,900 --> 00:58:35,380
And I said, why not?

502
00:58:35,380 --> 00:58:40,440
He said, young people my age feel like it's not worth their time.

503
00:58:40,940 --> 00:58:43,060
I said, what are they doing?

504
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:44,120
How do they survive?

505
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:45,980
He said, they're staying home with their parents.

506
00:58:46,340 --> 00:58:48,080
They do get some government money.

507
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:57,160
It's not a lot, but they would rather compromise and sacrifice the things in their lives to squeak

508
00:58:57,160 --> 00:59:02,680
by on the little that they have rather than work to achieve the goals.

509
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:07,200
And he said, I was raised on a farm, and my parents never raised me and my brothers that way.

510
00:59:07,300 --> 00:59:08,500
And we think differently.

511
00:59:08,500 --> 00:59:11,020
We work hard, and we've got things in life.

512
00:59:11,860 --> 00:59:12,600
We've got a family.

513
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:13,260
He had a family.

514
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:15,140
He had a son.

515
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:19,520
And he said, but this is the reason it's going to take so long to get these tires on your truck.

516
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:31,160
He said, we have the job openings, and they're paying well, but people don't think of work the way that they used to think about work.

517
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:42,720
And I think that is one of the symptoms when we want to share the possibility of a new human story.

518
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:48,480
You're speaking to people that have been conditioned to believe the things that this man told me his friends believe.

519
00:59:48,580 --> 00:59:56,160
There are so many moving parts, and it's all just accelerating so quickly that it's really hard to keep your head around it.

520
00:59:56,740 --> 01:00:02,220
If you're spending any time trying to honestly think about it, there are a lot of people that aren't,

521
01:00:02,340 --> 01:00:05,640
and there's this carrying that are being carried downstream by it all.

522
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:08,300
But so what you've been thinking about, what's up?

523
01:00:08,300 --> 01:00:16,640
You know, John, right now, for some people out of left field, we had a disclosure about our relationship,

524
01:00:16,780 --> 01:00:25,020
the human relationship and the American relationship to not just the possibility of life beyond this world,

525
01:00:25,100 --> 01:00:33,340
but physical evidence of technology as well as the life forms that accompany that technology.

526
01:00:33,340 --> 01:00:42,160
And in some circles, it is upending everything that we have known to be true in the past,

527
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:44,720
and there are other circles who are discounting all of it.

528
01:00:44,820 --> 01:00:48,720
Mainstream media is either not covering it or they are covering it,

529
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:54,820
and they're covering it from a very skeptical or a very distorted perspective.

530
01:00:54,820 --> 01:01:00,060
So, you know, John, it's easy to get caught up in that conversation, and you and I have had plenty of them.

531
01:01:00,300 --> 01:01:07,120
The question I ask is, is when this is validated, as we know it will be,

532
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:12,180
because we know about the physical evidence, what happens next?

533
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:17,140
We have craft, and we have, and for, you know, tens, decades,

534
01:01:17,140 --> 01:01:22,560
and we've had craft and exotic materials that have not been made from somewhere else,

535
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:30,640
and we literally have bodies and so on from, and we know that they're not from here.

536
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:37,160
And that is the first time that the United States government has definitively,

537
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:43,920
he's not in the government anymore, but clearly he's not doing this.

538
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:49,360
If somebody hasn't kind of told him that it's okay to talk about it at some level.

539
01:01:50,380 --> 01:01:53,880
You've made the point before that the government is very complex,

540
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:57,980
and there are lots of parts, and some don't know what the other ones are doing.

541
01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:04,380
And this is kind of one of those kind of situations where probably some aspect

542
01:02:04,380 --> 01:02:09,080
thinks it's a good idea to talk about this, and others really don't.

543
01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:15,040
And so they've tried to put him in jail, but he beat the rap, if you will.

544
01:02:15,540 --> 01:02:18,440
And so he's out and talking about this.

545
01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:24,520
And so it raises this larger and more fundamentally significant kind of issue

546
01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:27,320
about what in the world and what's the implications of this.

547
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:35,080
So let me tell you a little story is that years ago when the Arlington Institute

548
01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:44,060
going in Arlington, Virginia, I was told by somebody who seemed to have a reason

549
01:02:44,060 --> 01:02:49,040
to have an opinion and had the access and so on that there was a possibility

550
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:57,580
is that there was going to be a disclosure event back in, what, in 92 or something like that.

551
01:02:57,640 --> 01:03:01,980
I don't remember when it was, but it was back in that period, or maybe it was 96.

552
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:03,000
I don't remember.

553
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:11,840
And I never figured out whether they were just feeding me this stuff

554
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:15,060
to try to find out what I'd do with it and who I'd tell and whatever.

555
01:03:15,060 --> 01:03:22,780
But what I did was I brought together very quietly a small group of very high-level people

556
01:03:22,780 --> 01:03:27,580
from different areas, from the military, from the press, from the science,

557
01:03:27,740 --> 01:03:32,760
from the intelligence community, and others that were personal friends of mine from politics.

558
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:40,080
And I literally, in some cases, said, show up next Tuesday at 1 o'clock.

559
01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:42,820
And I'm not telling you what's happening, but you just show up.

560
01:03:42,860 --> 01:03:44,000
It's going to be worth your while.

561
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:48,240
And I had the kind of relationships that these folks would do that.

562
01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:51,380
And so they showed up.

563
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:54,920
And what we did was an afternoon scenario planning process

564
01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:59,320
to try to identify what the potential implications of this might be.

565
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:01,180
We did implications analysis.

566
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:09,420
And we did it using some technology that Joel Barker called the implications wheel,

567
01:04:09,620 --> 01:04:10,660
Joel designed.

568
01:04:10,660 --> 01:04:14,620
And I swore them all to secrecy.

569
01:04:14,620 --> 01:04:18,880
They couldn't tell anybody who else was in the room and all that kind of stuff.

570
01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:27,660
And we spent all afternoon kind of systematically going through and analyzing all of the potential implications.

571
01:04:27,980 --> 01:04:34,620
And the way this technology works is it allows you to kind of take a core kind of issue

572
01:04:34,620 --> 01:04:47,860
and then kind of like a daisy run out in different kind of directions, like, what is this going to mean for economics or politics or religion or science and so on.

573
01:04:47,860 --> 01:05:01,240
And then you can build the third order kind of implications and the fourth order implications and you can build this out kind of systematically into a whole kind of assessment of what the whole thing would be.

574
01:05:01,240 --> 01:05:14,700
And the bottom line was very kind of galvanizing, kind of really got our attention because when we got finished with this thing, when we got to the end, there were,

575
01:05:14,700 --> 01:05:32,520
if you consider a certain path through this network as a scenario, there were something like 38 scenarios that we had that, you know, again, that related to science and technology and religion and other such things, politics.

576
01:05:32,520 --> 01:06:00,760
And there were only two or three of all of those things that didn't blow up the local world symbolically in one way or another, that the whole disclosure process was fraught with potholes at best and cliffs at worst,

577
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:22,420
where you would, where you would, if you, and the three scenarios that worked, you just had to line everything up, one, two, three, four, all had to just line up perfectly in order for the thing to come out and be relatively benign on the back end of the whole thing.

578
01:06:22,420 --> 01:06:36,120
And there were a number of people in that room who were very knowledgeable about this whole subject, you know, came from other places and they all just sat there.

579
01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:48,420
They told me this for years since then, they said that that was one of the most profound things I ever went into because there are all kinds of people running around saying just disclose this and make it come out.

580
01:06:48,420 --> 01:06:54,880
And they've never thought about the potential downstream implications of all of this.

581
01:06:55,040 --> 01:07:08,380
And so the whole disclosure process necessarily with that kind of information and that kind of knowledge, which I know worked its way kind of circuitously back into the government in one way or another.

582
01:07:08,380 --> 01:07:19,860
So they, they, they, they're very careful in trying to, in the way that they try to navigate through all of this, because they know that it could just really go sideways pretty quickly.

583
01:07:19,860 --> 01:07:39,860
At the same time, there clearly is some kind of a push from inside, externally, internally, I don't know what it is and how it works, but there's an imperative, a growing imperative, whether it's the aliens that are wanting to talk, I don't know, that are saying, you know, we got to get that, we got to get this out.

584
01:07:39,860 --> 01:07:56,780
So it's a real kind of interesting minefield going forward into this space about how do you kind of tiptoe through all of this in such a way that, you know, that you cause the least amount of collateral damage in the whole process.

585
01:07:56,780 --> 01:08:10,220
And the way that a lot of people are responding to this guy, Grush, who came out and saying, oh, it's all a, it's all an op and they're all trying to set us up for something else like that.

586
01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:19,140
I mean, we anticipated all of that back, way back then, decades ago, that that was a likely way in which people would act.

587
01:08:19,140 --> 01:08:26,840
And of course, they're going to then say, well, you've been lying to us, you're obviously been lying to us for decades, what else are you lying to us about?

588
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:34,820
And so the whole situation is very, very complex, and it's very fluid, and it can go any of a number of ways.

589
01:08:34,940 --> 01:08:47,100
But it's kind of like it drives me into the position of saying, well, how, how do you do it if you don't just at some level kind of just go do it and then just try to manage it in the best way you can.

590
01:08:47,100 --> 01:09:09,940
But it clearly has extraordinary implications, and really the most profound one, as far as I'm concerned, is who we are as humans and what is our position relative to not only this planet, but the local area in the galaxy or the solar system, for that matter.

591
01:09:09,940 --> 01:09:17,880
Because all of everything in life essentially has been terrestrially centric.

592
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:42,740
And what this is doing is just saying all of the kind of little models and all of the concepts that we've all had and that we grew up with and the assumptions that we've made about everything and how we've organized ourselves and how we think of who we are and consider our options and our decisions that we make are all up for grabs.

593
01:09:42,740 --> 01:09:51,140
And it's kind of like, you know, you know, you can jump off a cliff and you're up in the air and, you know, the parachute hasn't opened, presumably.

594
01:09:51,840 --> 01:09:57,360
And it's just has huge, huge kind of implications.

595
01:09:58,440 --> 01:10:02,280
John, I wish I had been in that meeting that you had back then.

596
01:10:02,420 --> 01:10:04,980
I would have loved to have been there and part of that.

597
01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:06,400
That was pre-Greg.

598
01:10:06,660 --> 01:10:07,380
Pre-Greg.

599
01:10:07,380 --> 01:10:17,400
When I think about this, of course, I don't think it's any surprise to anyone in our community that we're not alone.

600
01:10:17,860 --> 01:10:28,480
And I don't think it's a surprise to most cultures, many of the indigenous cultures that I've spent time with in the last, I don't know, I've been traveling over 50 years now.

601
01:10:28,480 --> 01:10:41,680
They make room in their culture and their society for their family and their community that is not on this earth with with us or with them.

602
01:10:42,260 --> 01:10:50,040
And they they always have, you know, some of the archaeological evidence going back over 40,000 years in the aboriginal traditions, for example.

603
01:10:50,040 --> 01:10:55,600
Talk about our relationship with our, you know, our family beyond this world.

604
01:10:55,820 --> 01:11:05,060
I think the only threat really comes to the power structures and those power structures are what are regulating the narrative that we have right now.

605
01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:18,780
So the political structure, certainly the financial institutions that are threatened, the religious institutions, you know, among social, the way that we think of ourselves as a community, as a society.

606
01:11:18,780 --> 01:11:26,640
One of the interesting things, and you and I have talked about this, the first time you and I met, you picked me up in Washington, D.C.

607
01:11:26,660 --> 01:11:32,640
I just spoken at the D.C. Convention Center about a book that I had written in 2004.

608
01:11:32,940 --> 01:11:34,440
It was called The God Code.

609
01:11:34,440 --> 01:11:59,560
And it was the result of my background as a senior computer systems designer during the Cold War, specializing in pattern recognition software and applying those principles to the human genome and actually finding a an intelligent, meaningful bit of information in the human genome.

610
01:11:59,700 --> 01:12:02,360
There's intelligent information encoded into the DNA.

611
01:12:02,360 --> 01:12:14,060
So I had just shared that in the D.C. Convention Center and we were taking a break and there's a man that had come in, two men, but only one of them approached me during the conference.

612
01:12:14,060 --> 01:12:17,640
And they were the, you know, typical all black suits.

613
01:12:17,740 --> 01:12:24,600
They had dark sunglasses on indoors, which was a little unnerving to me, you know, a little curly, cute earpiece.

614
01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:26,200
And the guy came up to the stage.

615
01:12:26,200 --> 01:12:34,820
And just before the break, John, I'd made a statement that I'd never made at any of my conferences before because I was talking about human DNA.

616
01:12:35,060 --> 01:12:40,060
I said, this is this is the message that we now know exists within human DNA.

617
01:12:40,440 --> 01:12:48,820
And then I said, I would love to have some DNA from life that's not from this planet to see if their genome has the same message.

618
01:12:48,820 --> 01:12:54,080
Let's take a break. And so the guy, when he approached me, he came up and he said.

619
01:12:55,700 --> 01:13:00,740
I asked him the question, you know, I said, you guys have a problem with me talking about this stuff.

620
01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:09,380
And he said he didn't. And then he gave me a piece of paper and he said, when you're ready for that DNA from beyond this planet, call one of these numbers.

621
01:13:09,380 --> 01:13:14,460
And there were three three phone numbers. There's a White House number, a Pentagon number and a private number.

622
01:13:15,540 --> 01:13:18,300
I wasn't ready to make that phone call at that time.

623
01:13:18,500 --> 01:13:22,280
I I didn't for a number of reasons. I didn't make that phone call.

624
01:13:22,380 --> 01:13:27,260
But it told me that we have that DNA or at least we have a printout.

625
01:13:27,260 --> 01:13:34,940
I wasn't asking for the physical sticky gooey stuff in my hands just if we had a printout of the genome from life beyond this world.

626
01:13:34,940 --> 01:13:39,680
So and so I asked him, I said, do you have a problem with us talking about this?

627
01:13:39,700 --> 01:13:44,980
And what he said to me, it was really interesting. He said, we want to share this information.

628
01:13:44,980 --> 01:13:51,560
So whoever he represented wanted to share it. He says, we don't know the best way to do it without scaring people.

629
01:13:52,420 --> 01:13:57,020
And as you know, we don't have a problem with what you're doing because you're not threatening.

630
01:13:57,020 --> 01:14:05,460
You're not asking for a revolution. You're not angry about the misinformation and the disinformation over, you know, 70 years.

631
01:14:05,940 --> 01:14:09,660
So he said, no, you're doing it very responsibly. We don't have a problem with that.

632
01:14:10,220 --> 01:14:14,340
So it it told me that we we had the physical evidence.

633
01:14:15,300 --> 01:14:19,200
When we talk about that physical evidence, it comes from a number of places.

634
01:14:19,380 --> 01:14:21,320
You know, we hear a lot about crash sites.

635
01:14:21,320 --> 01:14:36,580
What you rarely hear about is there have been at least two archaeological recoveries of craft that are not from this world that were very intact and that were presumably functional.

636
01:14:37,060 --> 01:14:41,320
By the time they crash, I don't know how much functionality remains.

637
01:14:42,060 --> 01:14:44,320
So and those are two that I know about.

638
01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:46,240
There may be others, you know, certainly.

639
01:14:46,240 --> 01:14:54,060
I believe there are 33 recovered craft, and I don't know that they are all the product of crashes.

640
01:14:54,680 --> 01:15:01,120
We have the technology to take them down through nonconventional scalar weaponry.

641
01:15:01,420 --> 01:15:06,420
Our scalar beams, our scalar weapons can disable those kinds of craft.

642
01:15:06,520 --> 01:15:11,340
And I don't know if they can bring them down, you know, gently or not.

643
01:15:11,640 --> 01:15:15,840
So so but when I think about all of this, you know, it's going to happen.

644
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:20,540
There is a disclosure that's happening now, and it's not happening within a vacuum.

645
01:15:22,240 --> 01:15:31,920
And as a systems thinker, I step back and I think of some of the really good and beautiful things that could happen if disclosure is done well, if it's done honestly.

646
01:15:31,920 --> 01:15:46,200
And one of those, John, you know, as a geologist, I'm watching closely the dynamics, the geophysical dynamics of our planet that are triggering the climate change.

647
01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:49,080
It is the heating of the oceans from under.

648
01:15:49,340 --> 01:15:50,040
That's right.

649
01:15:50,440 --> 01:15:51,560
Under the seafloor.

650
01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:52,880
It's not coming from the atmosphere.

651
01:15:52,880 --> 01:15:55,580
Well, they found they found more than they had recognized.

652
01:15:55,580 --> 01:15:57,160
But here's here's what's happening.

653
01:15:57,360 --> 01:16:04,040
The the mantle is being disturbed through the dynamics of the core.

654
01:16:04,180 --> 01:16:10,680
It's a it's a whole conversation that we haven't had in this this in this particular format.

655
01:16:10,680 --> 01:16:12,780
But the mantle is being disturbed.

656
01:16:12,780 --> 01:16:18,500
There are mantle plumes of magma that are now rising into the thin portions of the Earth's crust.

657
01:16:18,600 --> 01:16:21,700
The crust average is about 36 miles thick, which isn't very thick.

658
01:16:22,140 --> 01:16:23,720
But there are places where it's much thinner.

659
01:16:25,040 --> 01:16:28,560
Greenland is one of those where the ice is melting from underneath.

660
01:16:29,100 --> 01:16:32,420
Antarctica in the Marianas Trench, certainly the bottom of that trench.

661
01:16:32,420 --> 01:16:47,020
And also a lot of volcanic activity is happening, for example, the caldera in Yellowstone, Yellowstone parts of there are closed because of the the recent uptick in the magma activity underneath.

662
01:16:47,020 --> 01:17:01,220
So I look at these things and, you know, the technology that would allow a life form to travel either within our solar system between planets or between other other galaxies.

663
01:17:01,220 --> 01:17:29,680
That technology could also allow us to avert some of the tragedies that may lie ahead of us, for example, by degassing those magma plumes before they erupt like they have in the historical past, creating, you know, a volcanic winter for two or three years that prevents the sunlight from coming through and has affected life.

664
01:17:29,680 --> 01:17:34,980
We saw this during the younger driots, between 12,000 and 13,000 years before present.

665
01:17:35,820 --> 01:17:36,660
And we've seen it.

666
01:17:36,780 --> 01:17:40,240
Then we saw it 24,000 years ago as well.

667
01:17:40,240 --> 01:17:52,660
So I think when I think when I think about this and the timing and there are so many efforts to restructure the systems of the earth and to reset social systems and financial systems.

668
01:17:52,660 --> 01:18:14,720
And now if they are being built around the implications of this threat that we see that's triggering the change in the climate the way it has in the past and all the things that go with that, this disclosure may open the door to the technologies that would help avert some of the greatest humanitarian crises.

669
01:18:14,720 --> 01:18:27,000
That we've ever seen and by making that technology available and making it public to the greater scientific community to apply to these problems.

670
01:18:27,000 --> 01:18:32,660
And I think that's been one of the issues I mentioned in one of our in our quartet program.

671
01:18:33,180 --> 01:18:40,600
One of the reasons that this information has been kept secret is because of two studies that were done way back in the 1960s.

672
01:18:40,600 --> 01:18:46,900
One was one was by the Rand Corporation and the other one, I don't know who I mentioned it.

673
01:18:47,260 --> 01:18:47,580
Brookings.

674
01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:49,580
Brookings, yeah, the Brookings Institute.

675
01:18:50,300 --> 01:18:57,540
And their conclusions were based on what we knew back in the 60s about the disruptive nature.

676
01:18:57,700 --> 01:19:07,360
They were looking at anthropological studies of other cultures who believed that they had a solid understanding of their place in the world.

677
01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:11,500
And when those understandings were disrupted, those cultures disintegrated.

678
01:19:11,900 --> 01:19:17,540
And and so the conclusions were drawn that the same thing would happen on a global basis.

679
01:19:17,780 --> 01:19:19,840
I I that was a different time.

680
01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:21,660
And I think we're beyond that, John.

681
01:19:21,700 --> 01:19:24,720
And I don't necessarily think that that that's what would happen now.

682
01:19:24,720 --> 01:19:27,200
Yeah, but that's where the principles are the same.

683
01:19:27,200 --> 01:19:43,880
And and if you have a giant kind of seismic disruption of this magnitude, you would have to reconstitute an intellectual framework, an existential framework, if you will.

684
01:19:43,880 --> 01:19:58,220
For the new for the emergent new world that comes out of the back end of the thing, you because you would have new ideas about who you were and how the reality works and this dramatically different awareness.

685
01:19:58,220 --> 01:20:14,360
coupled with the resident memories of the extraordinary disruption that everybody had just come through, which would open up the possibilities of thinking about other kinds of things.

686
01:20:14,360 --> 01:20:26,260
And if you then parachute in things like we're talking about alien life and who knows what else, AI, any number of other such things, rapid climate change.

687
01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:30,040
I mean, it's for 16 years now it's been getting colder.

688
01:20:30,720 --> 01:20:37,500
And so, you know, if they suddenly settled in that everybody figured out it's going to get really cold for a while.

689
01:20:37,500 --> 01:20:50,800
Well, I mean, all of those kinds of things in combination with a bunch of other kind of things, it just you just you have to rethink who you are, what you're doing, where you're going.

690
01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:52,560
And it's marvelous.

691
01:20:53,620 --> 01:21:11,500
I mean, I always end up kind of thinking about it almost like the framers of the Constitution for the United States way back when they're trying to structure a whole new world and a new social relationship and economic and governmental and other kind of things.

692
01:21:11,640 --> 01:21:14,080
I mean, that's what that's what we're going to have to do.

693
01:21:15,240 --> 01:21:16,300
Well, you know, John, I agree.

694
01:21:16,380 --> 01:21:19,720
And I it would we'd have to rethink everything.

695
01:21:19,720 --> 01:21:21,660
I think it's all about the way it's done.

696
01:21:21,660 --> 01:21:46,120
If we had global leaders that came together out of their genuine love and care for their their perspective or respective nations and they came together and they said to the people of the earth, we have this opportunity to come together and do great and beautiful things through our humanness.

697
01:21:46,120 --> 01:21:58,440
And to to to open ourselves to this deeper relationship with forms of life that have been here longer than we have that understand more than we do.

698
01:21:58,440 --> 01:22:04,060
If something like that were done, it could be a great and and and beautiful, beautiful thing.

699
01:22:04,060 --> 01:22:13,440
And my concern right now, my concern right now, it's being positioned when you watch the mainstream narrative is that there are things in the sky that we don't understand.

700
01:22:13,440 --> 01:22:15,900
And so therefore, it's a threat.

701
01:22:15,900 --> 01:22:25,200
And as you've said before, this is the military is trained to to see the potentiality of threats so that they can they can ward those threats off.

702
01:22:25,200 --> 01:22:28,680
It's like if all you have is a hammer, everything is going to look like a nail.

703
01:22:29,220 --> 01:22:32,780
So my concern is the way that this is coming about.

704
01:22:32,840 --> 01:22:37,120
And I think conversations like this, like you and I are having, I think are important in our community.

705
01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:43,340
But, you know, John, I'm when I'm not traveling, I do a lot of domestic things.

706
01:22:43,440 --> 01:22:44,220
People are surprised.

707
01:22:44,320 --> 01:22:47,420
They see me in the grocery stores and they say, you do your own shopping.

708
01:22:47,420 --> 01:22:50,020
And I said, well, I mean, like who else is going to do it, you know?

709
01:22:50,120 --> 01:22:50,360
Yeah.

710
01:22:50,360 --> 01:22:59,180
And and so I was at a CVS and I was looking around at the customers that were in line in front of me in CVS.

711
01:22:59,180 --> 01:23:04,480
And I asked myself, what difference would disclosure make to the people in line in front of me?

712
01:23:04,680 --> 01:23:10,400
And I think to a large extent, these are people that are concerned with daily survival.

713
01:23:11,080 --> 01:23:15,300
They're not necessarily thinking big picture kinds of things.

714
01:23:15,300 --> 01:23:22,820
And I think it would mean something very, very different to them than it would to think in the short term.

715
01:23:23,020 --> 01:23:23,600
Yeah, absolutely.

716
01:23:24,380 --> 01:23:24,560
Yeah.

717
01:23:24,620 --> 01:23:25,740
And in the short term.

718
01:23:25,740 --> 01:23:45,100
So so I think the when I look at I mean, I've made the list of all the power structures, you know, the religious structures, political structures, cultural, spiritual, social, certainly the financial markets would all be deeply impacted because they're all based on psychology.

719
01:23:45,300 --> 01:23:55,800
And our psychology would undergo this this rapid and tremendous shift to accommodate something.

720
01:23:56,020 --> 01:24:08,920
And it's it's interesting because I think intellectually most people are open to the idea of life and community greater than than our Earth intellectually as a removed conversation.

721
01:24:08,920 --> 01:24:15,620
Because we've been watching Star Trek, you know, since 1960s and acclimated when it really and I'll just share with you.

722
01:24:16,620 --> 01:24:17,860
I'm a geologist.

723
01:24:17,860 --> 01:24:33,500
I have been contracted as a consultant on an archaeological project that is is working with artifacts depicting our relationship with life from beyond the world.

724
01:24:33,500 --> 01:24:44,640
This this this world, thousands of artifacts showing our relationship in terms of their maps of the solar system, for example, that are so accurate.

725
01:24:44,640 --> 01:24:53,760
They're showing rings around Neptune and around Jupiter rings that we didn't know existed until the 20th and early 21st century.

726
01:24:54,360 --> 01:24:58,060
These artifacts are between eight and 10,000 years BP before present.

727
01:24:58,060 --> 01:25:16,220
And when you when you when you can actually hold a physical object depicting these relationships and you see you see spaceships depicted in our relationship and you see birthing scenes that appear to be representing hybrid forms of life from the cosmos and us.

728
01:25:16,220 --> 01:25:26,020
When you hold those that shifts the perspective from intellect and all of a sudden you've got this tangible representation of what this is.

729
01:25:26,020 --> 01:25:31,460
And I think something similar to that may happen to the everyday person.

730
01:25:31,460 --> 01:25:32,580
I think you're exactly right.

731
01:25:32,980 --> 01:25:45,820
I think what changes in the lives of your your neighbors who are in line at the CVS is when they see some kind of video or some kind of a coherent picture.

732
01:25:45,820 --> 01:26:02,380
As you've suggested, that says that yet that builds the logic about how their life and how our lives are going to change because of all of this, because otherwise, if you don't have the framework, then then the stuff is kind of right.

733
01:26:03,460 --> 01:26:08,620
Random and you don't have the you don't see where the puzzle pieces fit together.

734
01:26:08,620 --> 01:26:16,200
Well, so this this was what came to me in my in my moments of imagination and creativity waiting in the CVS line.

735
01:26:16,360 --> 01:26:19,160
I said, OK, so it's a month after disclosure.

736
01:26:19,160 --> 01:26:24,240
Does that mean and it's not just one species apparently that's out there.

737
01:26:24,240 --> 01:26:25,600
There are multiple species.

738
01:26:25,600 --> 01:26:37,180
It kind of reminds me of, you know, in Star Wars when they walk into the bar and there are, you know, everything from antenna I three headed, you know.

739
01:26:37,480 --> 01:26:44,840
So am I going to be standing in line at CVS with a bunch of species that looks like the Star Wars bar in front of me?

740
01:26:44,840 --> 01:26:59,080
You know, well, do you think that it would open the door to to everyday interaction where they would would now that it's OK, they would flood to the planet and live among us?

741
01:26:59,080 --> 01:27:11,980
Well, you can't assume that they all look like the Star Wars bar scene, because apparently or so reportedly, there's a bunch of them that just look like us.

742
01:27:11,980 --> 01:27:24,940
And there are all kinds of reports that say that they're all, you know, there's a goodly number of them that live here and are part of the kind of evolutionary transitional process.

743
01:27:24,940 --> 01:27:39,420
I don't I don't I don't think I've ever, you know, I've never knowingly run into anybody except our friend Penny Kelly, perhaps, who suggests that that's where they came from or what.

744
01:27:39,680 --> 01:27:40,820
And I don't know.

745
01:27:40,880 --> 01:27:41,860
You know, I don't know.

746
01:27:41,960 --> 01:27:45,160
It's just interestingly fluid.

747
01:27:45,160 --> 01:28:12,180
Well, I think the the technological aspect of the the science and the technology is where the greatest impact probably is going to happen that will ripple from the science and technology will be outpictured through the economic and the financial systems because of the way we derive our energy, the way we grow our food, the way we heal our bodies.

748
01:28:12,180 --> 01:28:15,700
So I think it will trickle down in all those things.

749
01:28:15,820 --> 01:28:17,740
Yeah, I agree with you.

750
01:28:17,820 --> 01:28:41,760
But I also think that, you know, the way we all make sense and stay sane in this reality is that we have these models, these systems, these ideas that we have embraced our paradigm, if you will, that all, you know, whether it's real or not.

751
01:28:41,760 --> 01:28:50,900
It gives us some kind of positive feedback enough that we think that it describes predictably how this reality works.

752
01:28:50,900 --> 01:29:08,900
And one of the clear kind of potential implications of this disclosure business is that it starts to pull the pens out from underneath all of the underlying and the most fundamental assumptions about who we are and how this all works.

753
01:29:08,900 --> 01:29:21,900
And, you know, if these guys show up and, you know, you know, you know, history is all wrong and and so give you a new idea and your idea about religion is all wrong.

754
01:29:21,900 --> 01:29:25,200
And there's another way this all works.

755
01:29:25,300 --> 01:29:42,260
I mean, if you don't do that kind of nicely and gently, it could be very disruptive because you lose your kind of the tethers to stability that give you security and comfort and predictability.

756
01:29:42,260 --> 01:29:46,500
Hmm. Well, I, you know, I, that's one of the exciting things.

757
01:29:46,500 --> 01:29:58,680
I mean, to be able to ask a form of life that's not from here, that may have traveled either from somewhere within our solar system, which is a big deal, but very probably from beyond our solar system, which is an even bigger deal.

758
01:29:59,100 --> 01:30:01,760
Ask them how this all happened.

759
01:30:02,100 --> 01:30:03,520
How did life begin?

760
01:30:03,640 --> 01:30:04,940
Where do we come from?

761
01:30:04,940 --> 01:30:16,840
And, and maybe they say, you know, we don't know because we're still looking for that, or maybe they can give us a little bit clearer definition of what all that means, a clearer picture.

762
01:30:17,120 --> 01:30:20,600
That means everything we teach in our schools is going to change.

763
01:30:20,640 --> 01:30:25,480
It means everything we teach in the university is going to change the kind of physics that we use.

764
01:30:25,480 --> 01:30:31,340
I mean, can you think, I cannot think of a more exciting window of opportunity.

765
01:30:31,500 --> 01:30:32,840
It's a perfect time to be here.

766
01:30:32,920 --> 01:30:34,280
It's a perfect time to be alive.

767
01:30:34,280 --> 01:30:43,580
And I think, I think we're going to, to see some speed bumps, but I also think we have the ability to smooth out those rough edges and do this in a good way.

768
01:30:44,360 --> 01:31:03,740
And I think the powers that be that have been since the early 1930s and the forties who have been and perpetuate the ideas of secrecy, I think they're in the minority and the people that I know, military people who have taken the oaths to serve and to protect.

769
01:31:04,280 --> 01:31:21,660
Government officials, government officials, it was during Clinton administration, I think John Podesta during the Clinton administration was laying the framework for disclosure before the other things happened that stole the limelight and, you know, defined that presidency.

770
01:31:21,660 --> 01:31:23,660
But I think it may have happened then.

771
01:31:23,660 --> 01:31:29,000
So I think that we have, we have the consciousness to do this in a good way.

772
01:31:29,000 --> 01:31:41,200
The biggest implications certainly has to do with the technology that would be revealed through the propulsion sources and how we could apply that in our lives.

773
01:31:41,200 --> 01:31:48,300
And when you think about that, maybe it gives us some insight into the resistance for disclosure.

774
01:31:48,480 --> 01:31:53,520
There are people that would prefer that we not have that kind of technology in our lives.

775
01:31:53,520 --> 01:32:04,360
There are people that would prefer that in our lives or decisions or decisions been made somewhere at some level in the system that is allowing this all and saying the time is right, let's do this.

776
01:32:04,520 --> 01:32:09,400
Which, again, raises the question that we talked about in Quartet, which is why?

777
01:32:09,660 --> 01:32:10,200
Why now?

778
01:32:10,400 --> 01:32:12,920
I mean, what's behind all of this?

779
01:32:12,920 --> 01:32:25,680
And with all due respect, I don't think it's just Stephen Greer pushing or, you know, or David Wilcock or whoever, all the other people in the space, which they are.

780
01:32:25,800 --> 01:32:29,420
And it's an element, but they're not just responding to those guys.

781
01:32:29,560 --> 01:32:30,700
It was something else bigger.

782
01:32:31,220 --> 01:32:32,820
Yeah, I agree, John.

783
01:32:32,820 --> 01:32:44,160
John, you know, I've shared with you that actually the first time I came to Berkeley Springs was immediately after I'd done a presentation there at the D.C. Convention Center.

784
01:32:44,380 --> 01:32:47,920
And we had some people call them men in black.

785
01:32:47,920 --> 01:33:02,600
I don't know if that's what I would call them, but they were very interested parties that slipped into the conference that were all dressed in black, including black sunglasses in the middle of the conference.

786
01:33:02,820 --> 01:33:10,420
That came up to me during the break, and I flat out asked them, I said, do you guys have a problem with what I'm doing here?

787
01:33:10,520 --> 01:33:12,160
Do you have a problem with what I'm saying?

788
01:33:12,160 --> 01:33:20,340
The topic of the conference was the intelligent message that has been found within the human genome.

789
01:33:21,360 --> 01:33:30,280
And I had made the statement, I would like to see DNA from off planet, another world, to see if they have the same message in their genome.

790
01:33:30,280 --> 01:33:40,120
And then we took a break, and the gentleman came up to me, and he said, you know, when you're ready for that DNA sample, let me know.

791
01:33:40,180 --> 01:33:43,180
And he gave me some phone numbers to call, which I didn't call.

792
01:33:43,180 --> 01:33:44,580
You never called me either.

793
01:33:44,780 --> 01:33:47,320
Well, I didn't call for a number of reasons.

794
01:33:47,340 --> 01:33:48,620
I don't want to be on the list.

795
01:33:48,620 --> 01:34:01,080
But the point was, the point is that I asked him, I said, you know, do you have a problem with me talking about life beyond this world and things like that?

796
01:34:01,100 --> 01:34:01,760
And he said, no.

797
01:34:02,120 --> 01:34:04,500
He said, we want to talk about it.

798
01:34:04,520 --> 01:34:05,800
And I don't know who we is.

799
01:34:06,280 --> 01:34:07,960
He said, we want to talk about it.

800
01:34:08,040 --> 01:34:13,540
We don't know exactly how to do it without upsetting people.

801
01:34:13,540 --> 01:34:26,300
And he said, as long as you're doing it responsibly and professionally, and you're not asking people to, you know, to revolt and overthrow a government or anything, he said, we don't have any problem with that at all.

802
01:34:26,300 --> 01:34:33,760
Well, I think they should give us all encouragement in this space, you know, that it needs to get unpacked.

803
01:34:33,800 --> 01:34:34,860
It needs to get opened.

804
01:34:35,500 --> 01:34:45,840
Because if you can't think about it, if you don't have an idea about it, then you're just, you know, you're doing ad hoc kind of stuff.

805
01:34:46,080 --> 01:34:47,740
And that's really stupid.

806
01:34:48,400 --> 01:34:50,460
I think it's big and extraordinary.

807
01:34:50,460 --> 01:34:52,160
I agree, John.

808
01:34:52,220 --> 01:35:04,160
And when I really step back and look at it, most people, I think, have no problem with the idea of a cosmic family, you know, that has been around a lot longer than we have.

809
01:35:04,860 --> 01:35:07,200
People, I don't think, have a problem with it.

810
01:35:07,540 --> 01:35:10,360
It's the power structures that have a problem with it.

811
01:35:10,360 --> 01:35:10,700
Yeah, sure.

812
01:35:10,700 --> 01:35:29,700
So we talked a little bit about the proposal from the World Economic Forum to use chat GPT to create, to write a new Bible that is inclusive of all the world's religions and correcting errors, what they call errors from the past.

813
01:35:29,700 --> 01:35:49,040
So that thinking is certainly, you know, counter to the bonds that have been created through the, I mean, not just religion, but I mean, community bonds and, you know, community support and things like that.

814
01:35:49,040 --> 01:36:02,780
So, you know, energy companies, my first job out of college, I've worked in the energy industry, and they were resistant to any kind of technology that required even less fossil fuels.

815
01:36:02,880 --> 01:36:06,940
There was a carburetor that would get 90 miles to the gallon in 1979.

816
01:36:06,940 --> 01:36:14,180
And the energy companies bought that patent and just sat on it so that it couldn't be used in the automotive industry.

817
01:36:15,200 --> 01:36:19,100
You know, so it's the power structures, I think, that are having the problem.

818
01:36:19,200 --> 01:36:22,280
And they're intrinsically myopic, right?

819
01:36:22,540 --> 01:36:25,080
They are intrinsically short-sighted.

820
01:36:25,580 --> 01:36:34,500
There is no big grand strategy in the military or in the intelligence community or the State Department or the White House, for that matter.

821
01:36:34,500 --> 01:36:41,300
The whole system is all reactive, and it's this short-term, like I say, this adhocracy kind of stuff.

822
01:36:41,600 --> 01:36:59,520
And you can't do that with an event that's as big as not just disclosure, which is giant, and it pulls the pins out from underneath, you know, religion and history and technology and science and who knows what, cosmology.

823
01:36:59,520 --> 01:37:06,460
But everything else is moving at the same time.

824
01:37:06,660 --> 01:37:12,200
And so we can't just sit around and hope for the best.

825
01:37:12,440 --> 01:37:22,900
And there are a lot of very well-meaning people who are all doing their part, but they're in different kind of sectors and areas and techniques and approaches.

826
01:37:22,900 --> 01:37:29,320
But there needs to start to come together with a whole new kind of integrated approach.

827
01:37:29,940 --> 01:37:40,540
You know, I was listening to an interview that Stephen Greer was doing, and someone was asking, and the interviewer was asking him, you know, what happens the day after disclosure?

828
01:37:40,700 --> 01:37:41,460
What does that mean?

829
01:37:41,460 --> 01:37:46,760
And one of the things he said was, we have an end to fossil fuels.

830
01:37:48,420 --> 01:37:51,020
And I understand what he...

831
01:37:51,020 --> 01:37:51,620
That's really trite.

832
01:37:51,680 --> 01:37:53,160
That's a real trite fact.

833
01:37:53,380 --> 01:37:54,500
Well, it is.

834
01:37:54,700 --> 01:37:55,480
I don't know how that works.

835
01:37:55,620 --> 01:37:58,120
But also, I don't think it's accurate.

836
01:37:58,380 --> 01:38:05,500
I think we have an end to burning fossil fuels in internal combustion engines as a source of power.

837
01:38:05,500 --> 01:38:19,100
But interestingly, oil, and this is fascinating to me, John, natural oil is one of the few products that we know, one of the few compounds that cannot be duplicated in the laboratory.

838
01:38:19,400 --> 01:38:21,260
We can't recreate oil.

839
01:38:21,900 --> 01:38:31,160
We use petroleum in over 6,000 applications in our daily lives that we don't even think about without burning it.

840
01:38:31,160 --> 01:38:45,040
So just because we stopped burning it for fuels, we would still need that industry to create the products for the components in the computer that's allowing me to connect with you in the medical industry.

841
01:38:45,220 --> 01:38:53,100
And we have no replacement for the rubber tubings that bring life-supporting fluids into our bodies.

842
01:38:53,500 --> 01:38:54,060
You think about it.

843
01:38:54,060 --> 01:38:57,000
I mean, you can't use a bamboo tube to do that.

844
01:38:57,400 --> 01:38:59,100
We don't have any way to replace it.

845
01:38:59,100 --> 01:39:01,020
I don't think it would be the end of an industry.

846
01:39:01,400 --> 01:39:03,500
It would make that industry more efficient.

847
01:39:03,520 --> 01:39:05,660
No, it would be a massive kind of change.

848
01:39:05,780 --> 01:39:15,980
And that was the point I was trying to say is that you'd have to look a decade or two decades down the road to be able to say, yeah, we transitioned out of something.

849
01:39:16,180 --> 01:39:24,540
You know, Hal Puthoff, who was famous for starting the remote viewing program, is an old friend of mine.

850
01:39:24,540 --> 01:39:32,460
And he has been working in the alternative energy space for a long time, particularly cold fusion.

851
01:39:32,460 --> 01:39:42,640
And he was worried about, not worried about, but was interested in, you know, what would be the transition and how would this happen?

852
01:39:42,680 --> 01:39:56,160
And he tells a story that he ran around to all these big oil companies and sat down with the appropriate person inside the company and said, listen, what would you do if we suddenly find out there was another way to do all of this kind of stuff?

853
01:39:56,160 --> 01:39:57,820
And they said, hey, what a good deal.

854
01:39:58,500 --> 01:40:07,720
We could we make a lot more money on pharmaceuticals and makeup and whatever, all the other kind of things that they use this for.

855
01:40:08,300 --> 01:40:12,280
And that they would they would think that it was it was a good idea.

856
01:40:12,400 --> 01:40:14,220
Well, you know, who knows?

857
01:40:14,660 --> 01:40:16,440
Well, I mean, go ahead.

858
01:40:16,520 --> 01:40:17,000
Go ahead, John.

859
01:40:17,040 --> 01:40:17,260
Sorry.

860
01:40:17,260 --> 01:40:24,780
Well, I'm just saying it takes fossil fuel energy to create the fossil fuels to pull it out of the ground.

861
01:40:24,780 --> 01:40:31,520
So if they're using an alternative source of energy, they don't have to burn fuel to get the fuel to get the oil out of the ground.

862
01:40:31,700 --> 01:40:35,340
That's that's going to it's going to be better for them or more efficient for them.

863
01:40:35,500 --> 01:40:37,060
And right now there's no alternative.

864
01:40:37,200 --> 01:40:39,620
I mean, all this stuff of electric cars is foolish.

865
01:40:39,780 --> 01:40:42,900
It's just that it's a little losing idea.

866
01:40:42,900 --> 01:40:53,760
I mean, you just try and I drove across the planes, I looked at all these big windmills and said, trying to say, say, what are they going to do with those when they quit?

867
01:40:53,920 --> 01:40:58,560
And you can always see that there's about 10 percent of them that aren't running because they're broken.

868
01:40:59,340 --> 01:41:05,260
And God, I mean, and you do the life cycle analysis of the economics and there's no way.

869
01:41:05,260 --> 01:41:06,180
No, no.

870
01:41:06,440 --> 01:41:14,460
Well, it takes it takes is fossil fuel intensive to create the windmills to begin in in that phase.

871
01:41:14,620 --> 01:41:22,460
And then a lot of people don't know you have to use diesel engines to start the windmills before they can even begin running.

872
01:41:23,140 --> 01:41:30,120
But even beyond that, the batteries that for these electric cars and the chips,

873
01:41:30,120 --> 01:41:39,860
all of this is run on what are called 17 rare earth elements that are in primarily in two two concentrations,

874
01:41:40,140 --> 01:41:46,780
one in China and one in Russia, now that our friendliest allies and they're they're finite sources.

875
01:41:46,780 --> 01:41:48,640
Some of them come from meteorite impacts.

876
01:41:48,640 --> 01:41:53,220
Once we're we've mined those meteorites, that's why they're rare earth elements.

877
01:41:53,360 --> 01:41:54,840
We we're not going to be able to use them.

878
01:41:54,940 --> 01:41:56,220
So it doesn't make sense.

879
01:41:56,260 --> 01:41:59,580
But right behind your head, I'm looking at a picture of Nikola Tesla.

880
01:42:00,120 --> 01:42:12,440
And, yeah, and, you know, I was I was a member of the Tesla Society back in the 70s and through the late late 90s in Colorado Springs is where we used to have the meetings.

881
01:42:12,440 --> 01:42:17,340
I was an engineer for Martin Marietta up in Denver during during the Cold War years.

882
01:42:17,340 --> 01:42:31,500
And what we're looking at, the potential of the energy sources that that could be revealed through disclosure work very differently from what Tesla was talking about.

883
01:42:31,560 --> 01:42:40,400
Tesla was talking about creating what's what's called broadcast energy, where you're you're broadcasting through the towers into the atmosphere.

884
01:42:40,400 --> 01:42:44,720
And then people pick it up like you do a television signal when you're your television.

885
01:42:45,000 --> 01:42:53,480
Eric Dollar replicated that in a small scale model here a couple of years ago.

886
01:42:53,480 --> 01:42:56,600
Yeah, well, that's so that but that was the principle that he's working on.

887
01:42:56,640 --> 01:43:06,500
But what the the the propulsion systems that are indicated through what we have so far in disclosure are very, very different.

888
01:43:06,500 --> 01:43:21,740
They would result in every home and every automobile having a little device that is pulling that energy from the plant vacuum and and converting it to something useful in that device.

889
01:43:21,740 --> 01:43:29,060
So you're no longer using, you know, power lines, you don't need power lines, you don't need antennas, you don't need anything like that.

890
01:43:29,200 --> 01:43:36,700
You've got one, you know, in your car, you've got one in your house, you've got one, you know, where in your truck or wherever it is that you need it.

891
01:43:36,740 --> 01:43:45,140
These are very, very different principles from what Tesla Tesla proved the point that the Earth is a resonant field.

892
01:43:45,140 --> 01:43:55,320
He proved that the resonance of the Earth, when you see those big sparks flying off in 18, I've got his lab notes from 18, I copy of his lab notes from 1899.

893
01:43:55,860 --> 01:44:04,020
And this is what he was showing was those sparks only happen when the resonance is reached between his coils and and and the Earth.

894
01:44:04,140 --> 01:44:06,280
So he proved that resonance was there.

895
01:44:06,420 --> 01:44:08,780
That wasn't the purpose of what he was doing.

896
01:44:09,060 --> 01:44:13,460
But it was an indication that he was right on with what he was doing.

897
01:44:13,460 --> 01:44:18,400
And he had so many applications of how that resonance could be applied.

898
01:44:19,180 --> 01:44:25,020
But the what David Gresh is talking about, those kinds of propulsion systems, they're not using Tesla technology.

899
01:44:25,020 --> 01:44:26,720
They're doing something very, very different.

900
01:44:27,180 --> 01:44:31,460
And it would it would suddenly revolutionize.

901
01:44:32,260 --> 01:44:43,440
It would it would allow every human on the face of the Earth that wanted energy to have it without being attached to a cable, without having to burn anything.

902
01:44:43,460 --> 01:44:46,740
Electrize the whole thing, just intermediate the whole process.

903
01:44:47,060 --> 01:44:56,180
Well, with with zero greenhouse gases and with no I mean, there we people I know that have worked in the industry and this was in the 80s.

904
01:44:56,220 --> 01:44:57,960
They were working with this stuff in the 80s.

905
01:44:57,960 --> 01:45:01,920
So I can only imagine how far it is advanced since that time.

906
01:45:02,560 --> 01:45:05,840
But there was no, you know, ozone implications or anything.

907
01:45:05,840 --> 01:45:16,400
This is I mean, literally tapping the fluctuations in the plant field and then translating those minute fluctuations,

908
01:45:16,400 --> 01:45:22,640
amping them up into something that is kinetic and useful in our in our lives.

909
01:45:23,040 --> 01:45:23,400
Yeah.

910
01:45:23,400 --> 01:45:34,120
So so so I think, you know, when we talk about the people that are pushing back on disclosure, that don't want that disclosure, the term used was myopic.

911
01:45:34,120 --> 01:45:35,360
And I think it's right on there.

912
01:45:35,620 --> 01:45:38,480
All there's they're saying is, what do we lose?

913
01:45:38,480 --> 01:45:39,480
Yeah.

914
01:45:39,480 --> 01:45:43,960
When this happens, rather than how can we benefit?

915
01:45:44,160 --> 01:45:45,360
How does this benefit everyone?

916
01:45:45,560 --> 01:45:49,980
And it doesn't mean that entire industries need to go away.

917
01:45:50,040 --> 01:45:51,220
We'll still make automobiles.

918
01:45:51,220 --> 01:45:53,340
They're going to run on a different kind of engine.

919
01:45:53,340 --> 01:46:03,480
And, you know, we'll still need oil for all the other five hundred and ninety nine thousand applications, you know, that we're using.

920
01:46:03,800 --> 01:46:17,800
So the whole thing hinges, it seems to me, on the whole idea of competition or cooperation and competition is the derivative of the shortages or some perceived perceived kind of constraints.

921
01:46:17,800 --> 01:46:32,060
And if you ever get if this new world is emerging, kind of aggregates, associates itself, organizes itself around the idea of cooperation, then all of this stuff changes.

922
01:46:32,260 --> 01:46:35,060
You know, then you then you don't have to have.

923
01:46:37,220 --> 01:46:38,180
I don't know.

924
01:46:38,200 --> 01:46:38,720
I've been reading.

925
01:46:38,840 --> 01:46:42,320
I've been listening to audio books as I'm driving across the country.

926
01:46:42,320 --> 01:47:02,400
You know, listen to a really great one called Humankind and it makes tries to make the case about humans are intrinsically cooperative and that there's all kinds of studies and everything and that everybody wants to get along with each other.

927
01:47:02,620 --> 01:47:07,320
And it's governments and media and stuff like that that really screw up the system.

928
01:47:07,320 --> 01:47:21,020
Yeah, we've I've seen the anthropological studies, you know, humans have to be taught to to judge one another and be taught to fight and kill people in the military.

929
01:47:21,300 --> 01:47:21,920
It's the whole thing.

930
01:47:22,080 --> 01:47:23,940
It's really upside down.

931
01:47:24,580 --> 01:47:28,740
So so then the other side of this, John, we've got the technological side of that disclosure.

932
01:47:28,740 --> 01:47:40,280
When we talk about the biological side, you know, the bodies that are being recovered, you know, there's some people and this this is so interesting.

933
01:47:40,560 --> 01:47:48,780
I was doing a little research on the religious implications and there are some religions that believe God only created life on Earth.

934
01:47:48,780 --> 01:47:57,500
And if and if this is from somewhere else that God didn't create it and or or the the other one is that.

935
01:47:58,640 --> 01:47:59,200
That.

936
01:48:00,540 --> 01:48:07,500
These beings are coming to us for redemption because because Jesus came to this.

937
01:48:07,500 --> 01:48:08,380
We've got the answer.

938
01:48:08,560 --> 01:48:09,040
Yeah, right.

939
01:48:09,340 --> 01:48:09,500
Yeah.

940
01:48:09,560 --> 01:48:11,560
And this is this is their perspective.

941
01:48:11,560 --> 01:48:17,820
They're saying and they're saying, OK, well, these these are wayward beings that need to be saved.

942
01:48:17,820 --> 01:48:25,280
And this is a perspective that is is gaining traction in the like that I've ever it's it's crazy.

943
01:48:25,280 --> 01:48:25,860
It's crazy.

944
01:48:25,860 --> 01:48:27,240
So, I mean, it's kind of like us.

945
01:48:27,360 --> 01:48:31,000
It's like the Spanish coming to America to convert the indigenous.

946
01:48:31,000 --> 01:48:36,720
So so now when when the cosmic indigenous come to us, you know, we're going to try to convert them.

947
01:48:37,520 --> 01:48:42,360
So I don't know the the but the whole idea of.

948
01:48:42,360 --> 01:48:47,820
And and then there's another perspective, you know, I had the privilege of knowing John Mack.

949
01:48:47,820 --> 01:48:49,320
We used to do conference.

950
01:48:49,320 --> 01:48:50,420
He was a good friend of mine.

951
01:48:50,420 --> 01:48:52,760
He was a he was a brilliant brother.

952
01:48:52,760 --> 01:48:59,800
And back in the 90s, trying to get him extricated from his problems at MIT when he was there anyway.

953
01:49:00,420 --> 01:49:00,620
Yeah.

954
01:49:00,620 --> 01:49:11,100
Well, well, you know, his the the studies that he did with the abductees and then other psychologists and therapists that he worked with.

955
01:49:11,100 --> 01:49:13,460
That I knew after.

956
01:49:13,860 --> 01:49:15,640
And interestingly, all of them have passed.

957
01:49:16,200 --> 01:49:17,380
None of them are here now.

958
01:49:17,380 --> 01:49:24,700
But but but when they would ask the abductees the questions, you know, why why was I taken?

959
01:49:25,740 --> 01:49:27,960
And this isn't just America or Europe.

960
01:49:27,960 --> 01:49:36,180
And this is all over the world, all age groups from the 1960s of Barney Hill and Betty all the way up into the 90s.

961
01:49:36,180 --> 01:49:40,560
Because there was a common theme and there were two common themes.

962
01:49:40,560 --> 01:49:45,860
One of them we've talked about in the past said that these are advanced.

963
01:49:47,500 --> 01:49:48,820
Civilizations that.

964
01:49:48,820 --> 01:49:58,400
But when they were at the crossroads in their time that we are now, they chose technology over biology and they they wish that they had done it differently.

965
01:49:58,580 --> 01:49:59,660
That was one of the messages.

966
01:49:59,660 --> 01:50:08,040
As a warning to us to use the technology, but not to give ourselves away to the technology, number one.

967
01:50:08,040 --> 01:50:10,180
And then number two, a fewer number.

968
01:50:10,360 --> 01:50:11,200
But there were some of these.

969
01:50:11,300 --> 01:50:18,940
And this is fascinating to me, especially today with the technology that we now know that what we called aliens were not aliens.

970
01:50:18,940 --> 01:50:39,020
They were humans in our future who were traveling back to warn us not to make the choices in technology that led to where they are because they regret making those choices, primarily replacing their biological bodies with synthetics and technology.

971
01:50:39,020 --> 01:50:50,900
And one of the messages was about the code, DNA literally is a highly advanced, technologically sophisticated, soft technological code.

972
01:50:51,080 --> 01:50:54,300
It's much more advanced than a hard chip.

973
01:50:54,740 --> 01:50:59,280
It mimics the hard chip mimics what these do, but but they are self-replicating.

974
01:50:59,380 --> 01:51:00,300
They're self-healing.

975
01:51:00,420 --> 01:51:01,540
They're self-diagnosing.

976
01:51:01,540 --> 01:51:07,660
And they're saying, we gave that away when we were at the point in our evolution where you are now.

977
01:51:07,660 --> 01:51:11,920
And we're coming back asking you not not to make that decision.

978
01:51:11,920 --> 01:51:17,320
So both of those showed up in the work of John Mack and some of the other people as well.

979
01:51:17,620 --> 01:51:28,980
And I don't know that those perspectives are going to be captured in the legacy media when it comes to disclosure and what this means.

980
01:51:28,980 --> 01:51:29,960
It's all going to be.

981
01:51:29,960 --> 01:51:55,560
And you're making the case of why there needs to be a, you know, an initiative, some kind of good guy initiative that where you get some smart people together who see the world in a different way and see us in a different way and see our future in a different way and say, let's take advantage of this opening and this change, this transition and try to build our own new world.

982
01:51:55,680 --> 01:51:56,760
I mean, what a good deal.

983
01:51:56,760 --> 01:52:00,460
Well, when was the last time you got a chance to build a new world?

984
01:52:01,780 --> 01:52:02,780
It's been a while.

985
01:52:04,820 --> 01:52:06,000
Not in this lifetime.

986
01:52:06,000 --> 01:52:08,780
So, well, you know, but

987
01:52:08,780 --> 01:52:17,900
Well, and at the same time, the other force that's pushing is this drive towards centralization and a one world something.

988
01:52:18,460 --> 01:52:18,840
Oh, yeah.

989
01:52:18,840 --> 01:52:26,400
And I, I've been trolling so well, I, I've worked on some NGOs, you know, associated with the U.N.

990
01:52:26,400 --> 01:52:42,200
And, and there is a sense that there's a handful of people that know better than everyone else what the world should look like and what our lives should look like and that the, you know, that the, yeah, that the U.N. should be, should be the ones driving that.

991
01:52:42,200 --> 01:52:45,060
And so, so all that's happening at the same time.

992
01:52:45,160 --> 01:52:47,460
So, so are you optimistic, John?

993
01:52:47,460 --> 01:52:50,360
Yeah, I really am.

994
01:52:50,360 --> 01:52:56,120
I think that the, the present system cannot sustain itself.

995
01:52:56,260 --> 01:53:01,680
It's structurally unsustainable, and it is inevitable that it is going to come apart.

996
01:53:02,220 --> 01:53:05,620
I think they're going to try everything they can to keep it going.

997
01:53:05,620 --> 01:53:14,300
And that's a pretty significant statement because they got a lot of resources and a lot of capabilities that we don't even know about to try to do it.

998
01:53:14,680 --> 01:53:22,540
But on the other hand, I think there's a white hat group that has a whole bunch of stuff to say nothing about aliens, maybe.

999
01:53:22,540 --> 01:53:31,500
There are the, our friends who have been associated with and responsible for the envelope at different stages, the evolution of humanity.

1000
01:53:31,500 --> 01:53:33,000
And they're in there.

1001
01:53:33,140 --> 01:53:38,960
I mean, it's an interestingly complex kind of space, but I think the good guys win in this whole thing.

1002
01:53:39,140 --> 01:53:51,880
I mean, listen, you don't, you know what, what, what good is the, it's humanity as an evolutionary group.

1003
01:53:52,540 --> 01:54:00,380
If, if we don't win, I mean, if it, if it collapses, I mean, there's a natural kind of, of force.

1004
01:54:00,380 --> 01:54:10,640
There's a push toward rising to the occasion, becoming creative, finding the ideas that you need to become somebody else to go in a new direction.

1005
01:54:10,800 --> 01:54:12,300
I mean, that's what this is all about.

1006
01:54:12,620 --> 01:54:13,280
I agree, John.

1007
01:54:13,440 --> 01:54:17,080
That force that you're talking about, I think it's a biological imperative.

1008
01:54:17,080 --> 01:54:23,360
And, and we see this in nature, where nature will create complex systems.

1009
01:54:23,480 --> 01:54:31,080
They become more and more complex until they cannot sustain themselves under the burden of their own complexity.

1010
01:54:31,380 --> 01:54:35,560
So what those systems will break down, but they don't go back to zero.

1011
01:54:35,560 --> 01:54:38,540
They break down to give way to a higher order.

1012
01:54:38,720 --> 01:54:40,840
And I think this is what we're doing.

1013
01:54:40,920 --> 01:54:44,800
We're seeing a civilization break down to give way to a higher order.

1014
01:54:44,800 --> 01:54:51,380
You get an implosion of the present system, which gives you a vacuum for the emergence of the next stage.

1015
01:54:52,160 --> 01:55:00,560
And I, and all I'm saying is that, you know, you can sit around and wait for the whole thing to come together, which it hopefully will all by itself.

1016
01:55:00,560 --> 01:55:05,220
Or if we can get out in front of the thing and say, let's, let's design the world.

1017
01:55:05,580 --> 01:55:08,200
Let's make this go the direction we want it to do.

1018
01:55:08,260 --> 01:55:10,380
What a great opportunity.

1019
01:55:10,660 --> 01:55:13,780
I mean, what we're seeing makes absolutely no sense at all.

1020
01:55:13,820 --> 01:55:16,400
It makes the climate policies make no sense.

1021
01:55:16,480 --> 01:55:24,120
The energy policies, the policies on war and conflict, what's happening with economies, what's happening with human health.

1022
01:55:24,120 --> 01:55:25,800
None of it makes any sense.

1023
01:55:26,480 --> 01:55:36,740
So the, the exercise I did as a systems thinker, I took a number of parameters and I created the vectors to draw them to their logical conclusion.

1024
01:55:36,740 --> 01:55:46,620
So in other words, what would our world look like if each of these parameters were allowed or does go to fruition?

1025
01:55:46,620 --> 01:56:01,380
And what I found, John, I'll go through some of these, but what I found is it leads to a world that's very different, an earth, very different than the earth we have today, that may not really benefit the people of the earth.

1026
01:56:01,840 --> 01:56:06,980
And if people of the earth are not benefiting, I mean, I don't see where anyone is going to benefit.

1027
01:56:07,100 --> 01:56:10,240
And it's not about money and it's not about power and it's not about greed.

1028
01:56:10,300 --> 01:56:14,960
All of those are factors, but there's a bigger, a bigger agenda playing out here.

1029
01:56:14,960 --> 01:56:19,860
And I think it's an agenda that's been playing out for a much longer period of time.

1030
01:56:19,980 --> 01:56:25,840
This isn't linked to a political party or to, to an administration, one administration.

1031
01:56:26,160 --> 01:56:31,540
I think there may be, or some that support it more than others and others, I think are completely ignorant.

1032
01:56:31,700 --> 01:56:33,880
They're, they're pawns in an agenda.

1033
01:56:34,020 --> 01:56:35,800
They probably are not even aware of.

1034
01:56:36,300 --> 01:56:42,280
So when we begin to, to look at where these lead, we have to say who benefits.

1035
01:56:42,280 --> 01:56:48,120
And if it's not people of the earth that are benefiting, then who does benefit?

1036
01:56:48,420 --> 01:56:53,220
And I think it's interesting that all, so many of these agendas are being pushed now as disclosure

1037
01:56:53,220 --> 01:56:58,100
is happening on multiple levels in multiple different ways.

1038
01:56:58,100 --> 01:57:05,020
And I think that agenda, the disclosure agenda has to become a factor of what we're looking at.

1039
01:57:05,020 --> 01:57:15,920
If we want to be honest with ourselves and if we want this to make sense, now I'll also be very honest, John, I've had this conversation with people who are really uncomfortable with the conversation

1040
01:57:15,920 --> 01:57:24,280
because it's so big and the implications are so mind blowing that it's easier not to think about these things.

1041
01:57:24,280 --> 01:57:31,860
It's easier just to become a part of the change without having any insight into where that, where that's leading.

1042
01:57:31,980 --> 01:57:33,680
And so I'm going to acknowledge that right off the bat.

1043
01:57:33,760 --> 01:57:36,760
So some people, they don't want to think about this, but let me just get.

1044
01:57:36,780 --> 01:57:45,400
Well, that's because it's being driven down, you know, it's being designed to constrain people from thinking about these kinds of things.

1045
01:57:45,400 --> 01:57:55,580
And so they're responding in form, in the way that they've been designed for you, like you suggest, for decades now.

1046
01:57:55,700 --> 01:58:03,020
They've laid the groundwork for this period of time, which is why it's so important.

1047
01:58:03,260 --> 01:58:04,940
And so, yeah, I agree with you.

1048
01:58:05,020 --> 01:58:05,900
Some specifics.

1049
01:58:06,560 --> 01:58:12,440
And honestly, I don't know that this conversation will even be allowed on our platforms that we typically use,

1050
01:58:12,440 --> 01:58:15,500
but it's an important conversation, I think, for you and I to have.

1051
01:58:15,620 --> 01:58:24,780
So we talked recently in one of these episodes about carbon dioxide and the way it's being portrayed, the way it's being demonized.

1052
01:58:25,180 --> 01:58:34,000
Right now, the CO2 levels on Earth are right around the average about 417.11 parts per million.

1053
01:58:34,760 --> 01:58:41,100
Now, if you look back 100 years on a graph, what you'll see is that's an increase.

1054
01:58:41,100 --> 01:58:44,600
And that is what is being used to alarm people.

1055
01:58:44,780 --> 01:58:53,480
But if you step back and look at a big picture, what you'll see is that we're actually at the lowest points, close to the lowest point in carbon dioxide.

1056
01:58:53,880 --> 01:59:07,560
The target, the stated target by the UN and the UN agencies, they want to take us from 417 parts per million down between 150 and 180 parts per million.

1057
01:59:07,560 --> 01:59:13,500
Now, just for context, and a lot of my, even my colleagues are not aware of this.

1058
01:59:13,540 --> 01:59:15,660
I'm going to give some context in Earth's history.

1059
01:59:16,300 --> 01:59:27,080
There's a time in our ancient past before humans were on the Earth, pre-Cambrian, where the carbon dioxide levels were between 8,000 and 10,000 parts per million.

1060
01:59:27,080 --> 01:59:32,720
And there was a time that's more familiar because of the movies, Jurassic Park.

1061
01:59:33,040 --> 01:59:40,320
During the Triassic and the Jurassic periods, CO2 levels were about 2,500 parts per million.

1062
01:59:40,320 --> 01:59:47,140
And during the Cretaceous, which is a little bit more recent, it was 3,700 parts per million.

1063
01:59:47,140 --> 01:59:56,100
Again, if we drive our CO2 levels down to this 150 to 180, last time we saw this, John, was in a time called the Pleistocene.

1064
01:59:56,800 --> 02:00:06,140
The Pleistocene was a relatively cool time, and it's during this time that humans appeared on Earth 200,000 years ago.

1065
02:00:06,140 --> 02:00:09,040
So we didn't have the green.

1066
02:00:09,140 --> 02:00:11,540
All the times in the past, CO2 levels were high.

1067
02:00:11,660 --> 02:00:12,240
It was green.

1068
02:00:12,340 --> 02:00:12,900
It was lush.

1069
02:00:13,100 --> 02:00:18,220
We had new forms of life, big mammals, big reptiles.

1070
02:00:18,680 --> 02:00:20,480
This is, you know, the age of the dinosaurs.

1071
02:00:21,300 --> 02:00:24,580
So that's just the CO2, the temperatures.

1072
02:00:24,580 --> 02:00:35,060
The UN has said that they want temperatures about 2.7 degrees Fahrenheit over pre-industrial levels.

1073
02:00:35,440 --> 02:00:42,560
What that means, when they go pre-industrial, we're looking back about 150 years.

1074
02:00:43,260 --> 02:00:48,900
What they're looking at, the pre-industrial average temperature of the Earth was 56.4 Fahrenheit.

1075
02:00:49,420 --> 02:00:51,640
Current temperature right now is 57.

1076
02:00:51,640 --> 02:00:56,760
The UN wants to keep this no more than 59.

1077
02:00:57,020 --> 02:00:59,900
They're saying 59 average global temperature.

1078
02:01:00,840 --> 02:01:09,900
So when we start looking at these temperatures and CO2 levels, what we're talking about is pushing the parameters of the Earth back to the time of the Pleistocene.

1079
02:01:10,460 --> 02:01:16,980
This is not a time when life was thriving, when forests were thriving, and things like that.

1080
02:01:16,980 --> 02:01:22,760
What the net result is that we have a planet that's nothing like the planet we have today.

1081
02:01:22,960 --> 02:01:25,560
So the question is, who benefits from that?

1082
02:01:25,880 --> 02:01:30,200
And the people of the Earth are not the beneficiaries of that.

1083
02:01:30,200 --> 02:01:36,480
So now we have to ask the bigger question when we talk about the other factors of disclosure.

1084
02:01:37,520 --> 02:01:50,200
Multiple disclosures are happening, and there are multiple interests, according to those disclosures, from multiple off-planet civilizations that have an interest in Earth.

1085
02:01:50,200 --> 02:02:00,280
And I think the question, John, is why – we talked about this in a quartet briefly, in a recent quartet – the cosmos is a big place.

1086
02:02:00,580 --> 02:02:03,300
Why Earth, of all the places?

1087
02:02:03,760 --> 02:02:06,220
Why now, of all the times in history?

1088
02:02:06,220 --> 02:02:11,060
And why is it so important to do this covertly?

1089
02:02:11,060 --> 02:02:22,760
If we're interacting with a global or a cosmic civilization, why not work together in a way that's beneficial for both?

1090
02:02:22,880 --> 02:02:26,960
Why would this kind of an agenda be done covertly?

1091
02:02:27,300 --> 02:02:31,300
And those are questions – they're big questions, I think, are questions we need to ask ourselves.

1092
02:02:31,520 --> 02:02:32,920
And so I'd like to have your thoughts on that.

1093
02:02:32,920 --> 02:02:41,840
Yeah. Well, it turns out I've been thinking about exactly the same thing for the last couple of weeks, in part spurred by a book that I've been reading.

1094
02:02:43,960 --> 02:02:56,860
And I've come to the conclusion, for what it's worth, that, as you've suggested, that when you drill yourself down to who benefits, who benefits, who benefits, as you work your way through all of this,

1095
02:02:56,860 --> 02:03:13,060
you inevitably come to the level that you're talking about that says that there's an off-planet kind of impact or force or involvement in all of this.

1096
02:03:13,060 --> 02:03:28,060
And that – and if you did a little further into this, what you find out is – and I'm going to try to kind of walk around this thing in a way such that we can get this public, perhaps –

1097
02:03:28,060 --> 02:03:43,260
is that there are groups who are particularly interested in trying to dominate planets like ours and civilizations like ours.

1098
02:03:43,260 --> 02:03:56,260
And they've done that in many other places, and they have a common modus operandi, and that is one – a long-term –

1099
02:03:56,260 --> 02:04:08,700
that there apparently are some kind of rules of engagement in these areas so that you can't come blazing in like the movies with guns and other kind of things and drive people.

1100
02:04:08,860 --> 02:04:22,180
But what you can do is you can try to influence and shape and color the environment such that they will make their decisions in the direction that you would like them to make them.

1101
02:04:23,040 --> 02:04:25,760
This is driven primarily, of course, by fear.

1102
02:04:26,260 --> 02:04:52,760
From many kind of points of view and from many kind of directions, all of which are kind of forcing people over toward this area of technocracy and the control and essentially using humans and the consciousness of humans as a kind of energy source.

1103
02:04:52,760 --> 02:05:14,740
It's very much like the movie matrix, interestingly enough, where there are these individuals, these humans that are kind of lined up and controlled in an environment and that they are used as energy sources because that's intrinsically what we all bring to the table.

1104
02:05:14,740 --> 02:05:28,360
And so these forces in these groups, and they have names and such, have been at this for a long time.

1105
02:05:28,520 --> 02:05:36,000
It's very sophisticated, and it's essentially an insurgency where they work their way into the system.

1106
02:05:36,000 --> 02:05:47,240
They get control at high levels, and they dominate and blackmail or however it is that they get control with the individuals who run the system.

1107
02:05:47,500 --> 02:05:53,280
And then, of course, they start to squeeze its steam into a new direction.

1108
02:05:53,280 --> 02:06:20,420
Now, it turns out, apparently, that there are also other forces that are in play in this other earthly realm whose job it is, and you see their role, is to, as a matter of fact, get in the middle of that, the dynamic, the process that I've just described.

1109
02:06:20,420 --> 02:06:37,680
Such that the nascent, the emergent civilization, in fact, because they don't understand what's going on, certainly in general, there are certain people at the top that seem to.

1110
02:06:37,680 --> 02:07:05,900
But the people in general don't know, and therefore, what apparently the rules, prime directive, call it what you'd like, I guess, allows that when those people on, say, the Earth, the emerging citizenry, get to the place where they realize, in some degree, what is going on here,

1111
02:07:05,900 --> 02:07:17,580
that they can literally ask for help, and other forces are available to come to the fore.

1112
02:07:17,580 --> 02:07:47,480
And in far more, and in far more effective ways than we have, to be able to disengage and eliminate this effort that has been going on to essentially use methods of kind of burying,

1113
02:07:47,580 --> 02:07:53,760
themselves within themselves within the system to kind of get humans to make their own decisions.

1114
02:07:53,760 --> 02:08:02,480
Now, I say all that to say that the sources that I'm looking at, and there's multiple ones, including some folks that you and I know,

1115
02:08:03,260 --> 02:08:10,500
who have agreed with me that that is exactly what, in fact, is happening, and they haven't told that to anybody else.

1116
02:08:10,500 --> 02:08:34,680
And more than that, that the principal solution of the middle of this is two things, and one of them is this raising levels of consciousness and frequency such that you are impervious to the efforts of these lower dimension, lower frequency kind of entities.

1117
02:08:34,680 --> 02:08:49,400
And then the second component of this that's important and interesting to me is that, and so you have to ask for, and then you have to ask for help,

1118
02:08:49,400 --> 02:09:01,320
and you have to ask for help at a level of parity, that you're not a subordinate in any way, but you're just trying to put together an alliance, if you will,

1119
02:09:01,580 --> 02:09:10,340
or a partnership with equal forces that are in, they can do things that you can't do, and you can do things they can't do,

1120
02:09:10,340 --> 02:09:14,980
and so it's not a subordinate in a position kind of thing.

1121
02:09:15,140 --> 02:09:26,400
So ask for help, increase your frequency, increase, you know, which is essentially eliminating fear.

1122
02:09:26,820 --> 02:09:31,480
And, you know, if you want a bottom line to the whole thing, a bumper sticker thing, no more fear.

1123
02:09:31,980 --> 02:09:39,680
And if you can get into that kind of space, then you're not accessible to buy all of these things.

1124
02:09:40,340 --> 02:09:52,940
And one more point, you know, the sources that I have are suggesting that, in fact, that there's been a major,

1125
02:09:52,940 --> 02:10:01,280
this is last year, last calendar year, 2022, that the good forces, if you will,

1126
02:10:01,280 --> 02:10:16,720
have made extraordinary kind of advances and have essentially driven the negative forces off the planet and, what,

1127
02:10:16,820 --> 02:10:19,840
out of the solar system, at least, or something like that.

1128
02:10:19,840 --> 02:10:33,700
And, therefore, what is happening is that the human component, human leadership elements who used to have the cover and resources

1129
02:10:33,700 --> 02:10:47,620
and other kind of things from this off-planet group, and it's a group, but it's a number of groups in a larger group.

1130
02:10:47,620 --> 02:10:54,720
And they've always had the direction and the help and the resources and so on, and now that's gone.

1131
02:10:55,960 --> 02:10:58,880
I've got this from three different sources, independent sources.

1132
02:10:58,880 --> 02:11:15,420
That's gone, and that those folks who we all kind of presume to be up at the top and kind of driving things are scrambling very hard to try to hang on

1133
02:11:15,420 --> 02:11:34,240
because they've lost their sponsor, if you will, which is why I would suggest that people like Martin Armstrong and Cliff High

1134
02:11:34,240 --> 02:11:44,180
and others all say that 2023 is going to be wild and crazy because what you've got is the residual leadership

1135
02:11:44,180 --> 02:11:49,820
who have lost their support and their energetics and other kind of things, apparently,

1136
02:11:49,820 --> 02:12:03,080
who are going to be carrying on and hanging on as best they can because they can see the clip coming very closely.

1137
02:12:03,440 --> 02:12:08,760
And if they can't get this turned in time, you know, they're going over the clip.

1138
02:12:09,260 --> 02:12:14,240
Well, John, you know, I think our viewers know this is a completely unscripted conversation.

1139
02:12:14,240 --> 02:12:16,260
I guess so.

1140
02:12:16,460 --> 02:12:18,700
Yeah, well, that's what makes it so interesting.

1141
02:12:18,900 --> 02:12:24,700
So I think it is interesting that you and I are both thinking and have been over recent.

1142
02:12:25,100 --> 02:12:27,460
I've certainly thought about this in the past.

1143
02:12:28,180 --> 02:12:36,440
Again, I'm an earth scientist, so I'm looking at the policies that are being proposed from the perspective of an earth scientist and where it leads.

1144
02:12:36,440 --> 02:12:43,500
So I've thought about this and the drive to understand how all the pieces fit together.

1145
02:12:44,240 --> 02:12:48,180
And what I'm saying, and I so appreciate everything that you just shared,

1146
02:12:49,040 --> 02:12:54,300
because we're looking at two different things, that the terraforming of our planet.

1147
02:12:54,300 --> 02:13:04,980
And this is a term that's actually coming up now because Elon Musk is proposing terraforming Mars to make it habitable for us

1148
02:13:04,980 --> 02:13:08,200
and even terraforming parts of the moon.

1149
02:13:08,200 --> 02:13:26,100
So the idea that a highly advanced, technologically sophisticated civilization would be terraforming Earth to support their biology is not so, you know, that's not so out there right now.

1150
02:13:26,100 --> 02:13:28,660
But that's a long term project.

1151
02:13:28,660 --> 02:13:30,360
That's a long term perspective.

1152
02:13:30,360 --> 02:13:34,520
And we've not lost the planet yet from our perspective.

1153
02:13:34,520 --> 02:13:51,980
And the irony, this is the irony, John, is the policy, the thinking that led to the policies that have caused so many nations now to move away from fossil fuels.

1154
02:13:51,980 --> 02:14:07,220
Those policies have now failed them because the alternatives are not yet in place and they're scrambling now for sources of energy that are now less efficient than if they had just left things alone.

1155
02:14:07,380 --> 02:14:11,480
So they're going, for example, Europe is going, firing up their coal fired plants.

1156
02:14:11,480 --> 02:14:25,320
So now we're going to be burning coal again in Europe, one of the most populated parts of the planet, actually contributing more to the CO2 they were hoping to eliminate by leaving the fossil fuels.

1157
02:14:25,620 --> 02:14:29,240
So this is a long term perspective.

1158
02:14:29,480 --> 02:14:37,240
But on the near term, John, and I've said this publicly and I've said openly, I believe there is a battle for our humanness.

1159
02:14:37,240 --> 02:14:49,960
And all of these things that create the fear are what keeps us from the deep truth of our humanness and the word that's used for this.

1160
02:14:50,080 --> 02:14:52,460
And in the Hindu traditions, it's called Atman.

1161
02:14:53,180 --> 02:14:57,820
And the best translation in English is our divinity.

1162
02:14:57,820 --> 02:15:06,820
And it has nothing to do with religion, but it is our ability to transcend the perceived limits of our species in the past.

1163
02:15:06,820 --> 02:15:07,860
That's all it is.

1164
02:15:08,560 --> 02:15:17,540
And the transhuman movement to replace our biology with synthetics, with polymers, to reprogram our immune system.

1165
02:15:17,860 --> 02:15:25,280
All of these, if they're embraced, they stand between us and the highest expression of ourselves.

1166
02:15:25,420 --> 02:15:26,620
They keep us from our divinity.

1167
02:15:26,620 --> 02:15:36,960
So what I'm hearing from you, John, is the best way for us to transcend and not without even fighting, without even fighting the battle.

1168
02:15:36,960 --> 02:15:50,560
We win by becoming the best version of ourselves, by embracing our humanness and the nature of humans to live in community and to love and support one another.

1169
02:15:50,700 --> 02:16:01,800
By doing that, that is completely antithetical to the policies that are being proposed that keep us isolated and in fear from one another and in fear of our own power.

1170
02:16:01,800 --> 02:16:07,420
So the bottom line, by being the best version of ourselves, we win the battle without ever having to fight.

1171
02:16:08,640 --> 02:16:08,820
Yeah.

1172
02:16:09,120 --> 02:16:18,520
And that point in different terms comes up in the middle of all of these assessments and analysis that I'm seeing.

1173
02:16:18,520 --> 02:16:24,280
And that is that humans are different in some way.

1174
02:16:24,560 --> 02:16:29,160
And all of us have heard, you know, you know how to love and so on.

1175
02:16:29,160 --> 02:16:42,660
There have been multiple attempts to try to describe the uniqueness of humans in this human experiment, if you will.

1176
02:16:42,660 --> 02:17:08,360
And the point that keeps I keep seeing is that we have an energy source that there is in our consciousness, a powerful source of energy that, in fact, attracts forces from all kinds of places, other dimensionally and other kinds of things.

1177
02:17:08,360 --> 02:17:20,080
All because they see us as an energy source and to the extent that they can control that, then they feed off of this.

1178
02:17:20,080 --> 02:17:43,100
I mean, that if everybody was happy, everybody on this planet was happy for one day, that it would essentially eliminate a lot of this other dimensional involvement and force because it would lose that negative fear-based energy that is being, you know, generated by all these folks.

1179
02:17:43,100 --> 02:17:49,320
So, so the principle is there, the idea is there, there's something unusual here.

1180
02:17:49,540 --> 02:17:56,980
And the thing that encourages me about all of this, as I've suggested, is that there are indications.

1181
02:17:56,980 --> 02:18:10,640
It's hard, it's hard to know for me to know for sure what's real or not, but I'm seeing more and more of it show up and I'm seeing people like Penny Kelly who say, yep, that's what's going on.

1182
02:18:10,640 --> 02:18:14,800
And that those indications are that this has changed.

1183
02:18:14,800 --> 02:18:35,380
And so there has been some substantial disruption of the kind of support and subsidiary systems that from that, which include things like pedophilia and sex trafficking and all kinds of really kind of nasty things.

1184
02:18:35,380 --> 02:18:52,680
And so that this is a multi-dimensional effort to try to kind of cut the legs off or the knee people, you know, these forces off at the levels to sustain them and drive them, drive them out of the system.

1185
02:18:52,820 --> 02:18:55,280
And so I'm encouraged by that.

1186
02:18:55,280 --> 02:19:07,900
I am as well, John, and what you're describing is part of a multi-decade, multi-generational effort to dehumanize us.

1187
02:19:08,660 --> 02:19:15,360
You begin turning men against women, and then you try to blur the lines between a man and a woman.

1188
02:19:15,680 --> 02:19:19,380
You blur the lines between children and adults.

1189
02:19:19,520 --> 02:19:21,560
You blur the lines of morality.

1190
02:19:21,560 --> 02:19:27,120
You blur the lines between the rich and the poor, and you blur all of those lines.

1191
02:19:27,260 --> 02:19:34,060
And pretty soon, the specialness that we sense disappears, and it makes us vulnerable.

1192
02:19:34,420 --> 02:19:42,980
If there's no specialness there, why not replace this with polymers and artificial intelligence and synthetics?

1193
02:19:43,600 --> 02:19:49,460
And this, I think, is where the battle is really coming down with our young people right now.

1194
02:19:49,460 --> 02:19:57,760
You know, when we talk about, so now we're talking about off-planet intelligence, and there's so many different perspectives.

1195
02:19:58,060 --> 02:20:02,480
We know there has to be more than one, well, there is more than one off-planet intelligence.

1196
02:20:03,880 --> 02:20:05,580
And there are different perspectives.

1197
02:20:05,820 --> 02:20:07,840
They're the dark forces that we're talking about.

1198
02:20:07,840 --> 02:20:25,220
I'm a consultant in an archaeological project, and the artifacts that have been found with this project depict human-like beings from another world coming to this world because their world is in trouble.

1199
02:20:25,220 --> 02:20:41,540
And it looks like the problem, and we cannot read yet the glyphs because they're in a language we don't understand, but it looks like they're in trouble because their son is going through some kind of evolutionary process.

1200
02:20:41,540 --> 02:20:59,640
If there was another group of human-like beings who were in trouble and needed our planet and needed what we have, it's so interesting to me that it would be an adversarial relationship rather than a cooperative relationship.

1201
02:20:59,880 --> 02:21:01,360
Why not work together and help?

1202
02:21:02,700 --> 02:21:04,980
We share, obviously, the same DNA.

1203
02:21:05,280 --> 02:21:07,220
We have to because we're so similar.

1204
02:21:07,220 --> 02:21:15,040
And the archaeological and the anthropological evidence is showing us that our genome hasn't changed in 200,000 years.

1205
02:21:15,220 --> 02:21:19,080
It appeared, and it appeared because of some kind of intervention.

1206
02:21:19,080 --> 02:21:36,180
So maybe, I just think it's interesting that if there was another civilization in trouble and they needed a new home, the opportunity to work and cooperate and where we could both benefit from one another would be so beautiful,

1207
02:21:36,180 --> 02:21:41,400
as opposed to an adversarial thinking where there's only enough room for one or the other.

1208
02:21:41,580 --> 02:21:41,860
Yeah.

1209
02:21:42,340 --> 02:21:45,740
And so that's a whole different conversation that we can have.

1210
02:21:45,760 --> 02:21:48,220
But I think they're all playing out at the same time.

1211
02:21:48,280 --> 02:21:51,320
The dark forces and other forces.

1212
02:21:51,320 --> 02:21:52,220
Well, I think that's part.

1213
02:21:52,300 --> 02:21:53,060
I think you're right.

1214
02:21:53,140 --> 02:22:03,760
And I think that's part of this whole evolutionary jump in this, you know, the emergence of a new human and the broadening of awareness and the other kind of things that are all part of this.

1215
02:22:03,760 --> 02:22:16,260
And that there is a whole new, you know, very large community of life out there that is, as a matter of fact, it's not just one or two species.

1216
02:22:16,260 --> 02:22:24,200
It's at least there's dozens of them that I've seen and, you know, people have drawn pictures of them and so on.

1217
02:22:24,200 --> 02:22:53,200
And, you know, this starts 25 years ago when, you know, I've raised some money from a friend to $150,000 or something like that to have another friend do a study specifically of the kind of alien kind of communities or types that there were in this area.

1218
02:22:53,200 --> 02:22:57,520
And in any case, there's lots of them and they're playing in different roles.

1219
02:22:57,620 --> 02:23:02,140
They have different kinds of alliances and federations and such.

1220
02:23:02,140 --> 02:23:26,220
And so it's, you know, this is part of, for me at least, is really a significant part of this broadening and raising awareness, expanding awareness, because you suddenly start to back away and say, by the way, there's a parallel thing in terms of AI, artificial intelligence that's going on.

1221
02:23:26,220 --> 02:23:43,420
And I would suggest to you, there's an extraordinary book called Scary Smart, written by the guy who used to be the CEO of Google X, which was their think tank development group that's doing.

1222
02:23:43,420 --> 02:23:51,940
And the first half of this book just establishes over and over again, where AI is going right now.

1223
02:23:52,020 --> 02:23:54,820
And it is mind blowing in turn.

1224
02:23:54,960 --> 02:23:59,160
And his position is that it's inevitable.

1225
02:23:59,380 --> 02:24:00,280
It takes over.

1226
02:24:00,280 --> 02:24:06,980
There's no way in any way that from his point of view that it doesn't take over.

1227
02:24:07,120 --> 02:24:11,280
And so then the question becomes, how do we as humans influence it?

1228
02:24:11,540 --> 02:24:15,440
He suggests very much like raising a child.

1229
02:24:15,620 --> 02:24:16,080
How do you?

1230
02:24:16,540 --> 02:24:17,820
These are our children.

1231
02:24:17,820 --> 02:24:30,760
And so how do you give them the principles and the ideas and wherewithal to try to see the world and themselves in a benign, contributing kind of way?

1232
02:24:31,200 --> 02:24:38,580
And he doesn't have this larger kind of perspective that we are talking about here.

1233
02:24:38,620 --> 02:24:41,060
And so I would suggest that there are other scenarios.

1234
02:24:41,520 --> 02:24:43,060
This is not the only one.

1235
02:24:43,060 --> 02:24:57,680
It's certainly a significant one, my guess, is that there, you know, it turns into this technologic, technographic, technologic, great space.

1236
02:24:59,040 --> 02:25:10,960
But there is another one where this is the development of each of us as humans in our consciousness and our capabilities that is independent from that.

1237
02:25:10,960 --> 02:25:13,020
And so there's a new space where we can go.

1238
02:25:13,280 --> 02:25:16,400
But, I mean, it's fascinating.

1239
02:25:16,620 --> 02:25:23,220
It's amazing to me what's going on here and trying to make some kind of sense out of it.

1240
02:25:23,880 --> 02:25:26,760
Well, John, I agree and I appreciate everything you just shared.

1241
02:25:26,900 --> 02:25:32,800
We could go on and on with this because there's so many, so many different places where this could lead.

1242
02:25:32,860 --> 02:25:35,540
But I think it is an important conversation.

1243
02:25:35,540 --> 02:25:50,000
When you look at the big picture that we're talking about, suddenly a lot of the stuff that doesn't make sense begins to make more sense because the changes are not about making a better world for us.

1244
02:25:50,260 --> 02:25:51,940
And that's the disconnect for me.

1245
02:25:52,440 --> 02:25:56,980
Why would we want to do these things if they're not helping to create a better world for us?

1246
02:25:56,980 --> 02:26:00,800
But if you follow them to where they lead, they are creating a world.

1247
02:26:01,500 --> 02:26:13,180
And when we look at all of these pieces, I think it helps us to see the big picture, number one, to know that there is rhyme and reason to what's happening.

1248
02:26:13,180 --> 02:26:26,880
And then it helps us to zero a little bit more in our everyday lives, John, to appreciate our family, our community, to appreciate the beauty and the green and the life, the abundant life on earth.

1249
02:26:26,880 --> 02:26:44,060
And to not, I'm running into, one of the things I'm seeing, John, one of the casualties of the thinking is that so many people are feeling such a deep degree of guilt because they're being told they've ruined a planet.

1250
02:26:44,060 --> 02:26:49,180
And they're hurting, they're hurting their family and their neighbors and their brothers and sisters.

1251
02:26:49,720 --> 02:27:07,020
And when we begin to look at it from this perspective, what we can see is the things that we cherish, I think we need to claim and we need to identify and we need to preserve those things in our lives that we cherish.

1252
02:27:07,160 --> 02:27:09,960
And those are the things that support our humanness.

1253
02:27:09,960 --> 02:27:15,760
And as we do that, we are actually elevating ourselves in all the ways that you're talking about.

1254
02:27:15,960 --> 02:27:17,700
But you don't even have to know that.

1255
02:27:17,780 --> 02:27:19,360
The beauty is you don't have to know that.

1256
02:27:19,520 --> 02:27:21,320
Just be the best version of yourself.

1257
02:27:21,460 --> 02:27:23,160
And I think that's really what it comes down to.

1258
02:27:23,220 --> 02:27:25,960
What you have to know is that you don't know.

1259
02:27:26,620 --> 02:27:30,460
You know, that there's a place in here with the change is so great.

1260
02:27:30,460 --> 02:27:56,900
And if you just start with the presumption that there are other entities and communities that have been around for millions of years, thousands and thousands more than ours, and if not millions, then it should, you know, there's kind of tamps down all the hubris that humans like to bring to the table in terms of thinking that they really understand how this is all going.

1261
02:27:56,900 --> 02:28:06,260
And so what you really want to do is kind of be open and have permeability and be able to be willing to see the world in a different way.

1262
02:28:06,420 --> 02:28:09,860
And don't start from the beginning, from the starting point.

1263
02:28:09,980 --> 02:28:13,960
It's just you really understand for sure how this all works.

1264
02:28:14,400 --> 02:28:14,680
I agree.

1265
02:28:14,900 --> 02:28:16,160
Well, John, I agree.

1266
02:28:16,240 --> 02:28:18,980
I appreciate everything that we've talked about today.

1267
02:28:19,040 --> 02:28:25,260
I'm hoping this makes it to our community through all the filters that are out there on social media.

1268
02:28:25,260 --> 02:28:29,960
And I'd like to pick up where this is leaving off, maybe in our next conversation.