1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:27,040 I have a question about morphic resonance and since you're the expert on it, I guess I'll ask you. 2 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:34,040 So that for anything that has space-time independence, there's what's called the divergence problem. 3 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:45,040 That if you allow for memory or other forms of influence to span time especially, then presumably it goes as far in the future as in the past. 4 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:48,040 And then how do you prevent things from blowing up? 5 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:55,040 In other words, 10 million years from now, there's a whole new habit that's formed and it's available in the future. 6 00:00:55,040 --> 00:01:02,040 Well, does that make it more difficult for us to learn something new now because it's interfering or does it make it easier? 7 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:07,040 Or in other words, how do you deal with this timeline that's now going into infinity? 8 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:17,040 I admit I have not actually, I mean I haven't seen that as a problem because I see it not as independent of time but coming from the past. 9 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:21,040 I mean I think there's a radical asymmetry between the past and the future. 10 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:25,040 And I think this is a radical asymmetry in the entire universe. 11 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:31,040 The ultimate arrow of time is the expansion, if it is expanding. 12 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:41,040 For a living organism there's an arrow of time, the developmental process from growing up from an embryo to growing and maturing and then dying. 13 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:46,040 And so I think that there's an arrow of time that we have memory and resonance from the past. 14 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:49,040 That resonance can carry forward into the future. 15 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:53,040 The more there is, the more habitual things become. 16 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:56,040 But I don't see why it would cause things to blow up. 17 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:59,040 I think it would cause them to get stuck in grooves of habit. 18 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:02,040 And that's what does happen to most things in the universe. 19 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:08,040 Are you now inviting questions from the panel to the panel? 20 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:10,040 Use your microphone. 21 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:11,040 Sorry. 22 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:14,040 Maybe I have gone to sleep or something. 23 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:18,040 Were you inviting questions from the panel to the panel? 24 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:19,040 Yes. 25 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:20,040 Okay. 26 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:22,040 And Jerry had his hand up but you can do yours. 27 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:23,040 Oh. 28 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:25,040 Go ahead. 29 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:27,040 Oh, okay. 30 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:38,040 I was just wondering, Dean, your experiments which I like very much. 31 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:47,040 And when I asked you whether you thought that that indicates that the universe is basically quantum. 32 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:53,040 And if that is so, why should we be surprised at the results you're getting? 33 00:02:53,040 --> 00:03:01,040 Because, and as well, Rupert, if we have, if the universe is quantum, do we need morphic resonance? 34 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:08,040 And I think I probably disagree with you on the asymmetry of time. 35 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:14,040 Because in quantum theory, you can actually have asymmetry. 36 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:31,040 You can actually have time reversal as well because there is an energy time uncertainty which allows for time to go backwards as well as forwards. 37 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:46,040 And so all these so-called paranormal effects, precognition, telepathy, whatever, those would be really what we should expect in a quantum universe. 38 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:58,040 And the reason we're not observing these things is because we ourselves are too mechanical in our behavior. 39 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:09,040 If we were not mechanical in our behavior, if we were sensitive and responsive and so on and so forth, we'll all be quantum beings. 40 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:16,040 We'll be telepathic. We won't need to hold conferences. 41 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:22,040 So before Jerry's comment, and I'll get back to Dean in a minute. 42 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:26,040 As a moderator, I get to make a comment or two. 43 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:29,040 Just a thought. 44 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:34,040 Perhaps we're just learning how to do that while we are in this forum. 45 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:35,040 Jerry? 46 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:36,040 Self-organization. 47 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:39,040 I'd like to respond to my friend Rupert. 48 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:44,040 Self-organization is, I think, obviously important for life. 49 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:54,040 But, you see, we see and other people have seen, if you put particles, microspheres into water, they self-organize into a colloid crystal. 50 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:58,040 You just throw them in randomly and just wait, and they self-organize. 51 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:11,040 And so, I think this may have something to do with the origin of life, because somehow, if you started with molecules spread around the Earth, you need some kind of coming together to produce a cell or an entity. 52 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:20,040 But I wonder if, really, you can take that as a definition of life when you can actually see it in a Petri dish. 53 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:27,040 Well, like May Wan, I take seriously the philosophy of Alfred North Whitehead. 54 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:38,040 And he said that physics is the study of small organisms, like electrons and atoms, and really big ones, like galaxies, whereas biology is the study of medium-sized ones. 55 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:46,040 So, I would include electrons and atoms and crystals as a kind of organism. 56 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:50,040 That's why I would detach the word organism from biology. 57 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:54,040 Biological organisms are a special kind of organism. 58 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:57,040 Current science has the machine metaphor for everything. 59 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:03,040 I think an organism metaphor is much better, even extended down to the very small and up to the very large. 60 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:12,040 Then biological organisms would be reproducing organisms, perhaps, whereas a crystal wouldn't be, or a molecule. 61 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:19,040 So, I think a protein, when it folds to take up a three-dimensional form, is moving towards a particular end or goal. 62 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:22,040 It's not just an energy minimization process. 63 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:25,040 So, I would see that as a kind of organism. 64 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:30,040 I mean, it may distort the language to say that, but it distorts it to call it a machine, too. 65 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:37,040 So, I think if we're going to have to have a metaphor, one metaphor, then organism is better than a machine. 66 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:39,040 Thank you. Dean, comment? 67 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:45,040 Should we expect psychic phenomena, given that we live in a quantum universe? 68 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:49,040 The answer is yes, and I'm not the only one who says that. 69 00:06:49,040 --> 00:07:06,040 The standard physics retort is that by the time you get to the scale of the human and the neurosystems and the rest of consciousness, as the neurosciences understand it, that you don't need quantum mechanics anymore, that you can use classical mechanics. 70 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:24,040 I don't think that that's correct either, and we know through developments in quantum biology that we're beginning to see that more advanced forms and more sophisticated understanding of quantum mechanics is not only in biological systems, but is probably necessary for biology to work the way that it does. 71 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:38,040 The next step would be that if this is indeed so, and it could be shown in the human body, that something like quantum psychology ought to be real as well, and there actually is something already kind of by that name, but it's used in a slightly different context. 72 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:47,040 The idea of cognition having quantum properties is already quasi-mainstream within the world of cognitive psychology. 73 00:07:47,040 --> 00:08:05,040 So we can project perhaps 10 to 20 years from now when these ideas are no longer seen as being taboo within the mainstream, in which case I am predicting actually that at some time in our future we will have mainstream academics predicting that there should be something like telepathy. 74 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:07,040 Can I just come back with it? 75 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:08,040 Anyone? 76 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:09,040 Anyone? 77 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:10,040 Yes. 78 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:11,040 Yes. 79 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:14,040 Sorry, no. 80 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:15,040 Quantum biology. 81 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:16,040 Quantum biology. 82 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:17,040 No, I think it's... 83 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:18,040 Well, we'll wait. 84 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:19,040 It went away. 85 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:20,040 Sorry. 86 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:21,040 Well, perhaps I could... 87 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:22,040 Can I... 88 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:23,040 Yes. 89 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:24,040 Yes. 90 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:25,040 Yes. 91 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:26,040 My thing... 92 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:27,040 My problem was just... 93 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:28,040 It went away. 94 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:29,040 But... 95 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:30,040 Sorry. 96 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:32,040 Well, perhaps I could... 97 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:33,040 Can I... 98 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:34,040 Yes. 99 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:35,040 Yes. 100 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:36,040 My thing... 101 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:40,040 My problem with quantum theory is that as it's formulated at the moment, it's micro physics. 102 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:42,040 It's about electrons and things. 103 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:49,040 If we say we're going to reduce biology to the physics of the electrons, then it's another form of reductionism. 104 00:08:49,040 --> 00:09:03,040 So what I think really the key lesson here is that something like the principles of quantum physics apply in biology, but they apply at levels of organization which are not just electrons and atoms. 105 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:05,040 That's what I call morphic fields. 106 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:06,040 Sure. 107 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:07,040 So... 108 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:08,040 All right. 109 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:09,040 Let me just try again. 110 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:10,040 Okay. 111 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:11,040 Right. 112 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:16,040 I want to return to Dean's experiments. 113 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:21,040 And I want to say that I don't agree with the collapse of the wave function. 114 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:28,040 As a matter of fact, you know, I don't think the wave function collapses. The wave function merely evolves. 115 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:47,040 So if we think of organisms as having a wave function, say, if we were a microscopic quantum object, as it were, we have a wave function that keeps evolving as we entangled our environments. 116 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:48,040 So that's not a collapse. 117 00:09:48,040 --> 00:10:04,040 And there is a more important point to the moral of your experiments, which to me indicates that this is now very important because it's a choice. 118 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:12,040 You influence how the system evolves through your choice, through your active choice. 119 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:24,040 And this is where I feel that the quantum being transcends determinism, mechanistic determinism. 120 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:27,040 And we have to take that seriously. 121 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:39,040 So again, I don't agree that we need an extension of conventional quantum theory, which I try to do in my book. 122 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:52,040 We also need an extension of conventional non-equilibrium thermodynamics, which is what my book, The Rainbow and the Worm, has tried to do. 123 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:59,040 So yes, I agree that conventional quantum theory, conventional thermodynamics are both inadequate. 124 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:10,040 But I do not think that we need, you can correct me if I'm wrong, an extra principle called morphic resonance. 125 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:15,040 Well, I think you're wrong. 126 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:26,040 I think quantum theory wouldn't explain memory phenomena, evolution phenomena, inheritance, the kinds of things morphic resonance does. 127 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:33,040 Oh, well, if you invent a quantum theory that has morphic resonance in it, then, of course, we're not disagreeing. 128 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:38,040 If you have quantum theory that doesn't have memory, the current kind... 129 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:41,040 I'm going to fight with you over morphic resonance. 130 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:43,040 You can keep that. 131 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:45,040 Well, you brought it up. 132 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:46,040 My turn. 133 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:47,040 You see, I get to yell. 134 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:49,040 I'm the bigger guy on the block. 135 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:51,040 I'm going to go over to Craig here. 136 00:11:51,040 --> 00:12:00,040 So, I notice you seem to be appearing in a human form, but you study plant life. 137 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:05,040 I asked Jerry, which got this going, what do you think life is. 138 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:10,040 I'm going to ask you that question. 139 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:19,040 I wouldn't ever try to define life. 140 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:33,040 I think definitions are usually fairly bad because they're kind of a symptom of the limited knowledge that one has at a particular point in time from a particular mindset. 141 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:45,040 But there's one way in which we all know what life is in a very unconscious way because we would all call ourselves living beings. 142 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:53,040 We have something in us that we almost use as an unconscious criterion for whether something's alive or dead or not. 143 00:12:53,040 --> 00:13:01,040 And sometimes you get surprised or not so surprised like all the plastic plants out in the lobby. 144 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:02,040 Right? 145 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:03,040 Those are not ones that trick you. 146 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:05,040 There are some that trick you quite easily. 147 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:06,040 Right? 148 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:09,040 They're very good plastic plants these days. 149 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:13,040 Are those real plants or are those plastic? 150 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:15,040 Are they alive or not? 151 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:21,040 And so, with the element of life, I think I agree mainly with what has been said already. 152 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:24,040 You have it in different modifications. 153 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:40,040 And you're looking basically with life, you're asking a question about what are the characteristics where you have a kind of agency of change. 154 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:43,040 An agency of change. 155 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:45,040 And you can call it self-organization. 156 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:51,040 And then it manifests itself in different ways in different realms of the world. 157 00:13:51,040 --> 00:14:01,040 Different in crystals, different in proteins, different in amoeba than in a flowering plant, and different in a wolf maybe than it is in me. 158 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:16,040 So, that it's not, for me I'm not so interested in having a unified theory of life, but more to see the characteristics of this element of active agency in its manifoldness. 159 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:17,040 That's what fascinates me. 160 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:39,040 So, is it, I don't, I have a feel for what life is, and then I let myself be guided by the phenomena that are showing themselves as manifestations of activity from centers. 161 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:40,040 Thank you. 162 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:42,040 I'm going to come back to the panel in a minute. 163 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:43,040 We're going to go to a couple of questions. 164 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:45,040 You've been waiting patiently, sir. 165 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:46,040 Thank you. 166 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:47,040 Just want to turn the camera on. 167 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:48,040 Yeah. 168 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:49,040 Then turn the camera on. 169 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:58,040 I think there's kind of an elephant in the room here, and there's a term that's kind of been taboo in the scientific community, which is consciousness. 170 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:02,040 And if we talk about life, I think we can't separate that from consciousness. 171 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:11,040 Whether it's the consciousness of a human being, it's a consciousness of a tree, it's a super consciousness, consciousness of a galaxy. 172 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:31,040 And I think we're reaching the point where we can and need to start looking at consciousness from a scientific perspective because I think if we try to talk about life, try to talk about organisms without looking at consciousness, we're reducing it to, you know, physical matter again. 173 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:37,040 And if you look at Eastern thought in many ways, it's the things happen on the energetic level. 174 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:39,040 The blueprint is on the energetic level. 175 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:43,040 And what we can measure is actually a secondary effect. 176 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:44,040 It's a manifestation. 177 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:58,040 And I think that we need to, I mean, this is a perfect opportunity to say, let's take a mandate and say, let's add consciousness to our science of the future. 178 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:01,040 Because without that, we're not going to have a future. 179 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:02,040 Thank you. 180 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:05,040 Does anyone want to comment before I go to Bill? 181 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:07,040 Dean, you want to comment? 182 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:16,040 If we thought that life was difficult to define, consciousness is way more difficult to define. 183 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:23,040 But I completely agree that most of the work that we do, we talk about it as psychic phenomena in the popular sense. 184 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:26,040 But really what it has to do is capacities of consciousness. 185 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:33,040 By consciousness, what I usually mean self-awareness or the capacity to be aware. 186 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:37,040 But many of our experiments are looking at what's going on in the unconscious. 187 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:49,040 So we see not only some things that are kind of like psychic stuff, but actually much more robust forms of these phenomena in the body that is not conscious. 188 00:16:49,040 --> 00:17:01,040 So it's not entirely clear at this point how much of the connections that we're talking about with psychic phenomena have to do with consciousness as a capacity to be self-aware. 189 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:05,040 And maybe some aspect of physics that we don't have very good names for yet. 190 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:07,040 Thank you. 191 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:08,040 Bill? 192 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:09,040 Yes. 193 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:11,040 I have a question for Rolf Thornhill. 194 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:17,040 I think a question many of us have wanted to ask about the Saturnian configuration. 195 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:23,040 And it's a question about life as we know it and the sense of life in our biosphere. 196 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:37,040 How would life be able to survive the capture of the planet Earth by the Sun away from Saturn or any earlier capture? 197 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:44,040 In the Electric Universe model, of course, the driving power is the electric force. 198 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:52,040 And we also see Birkeland currents flowing between galaxies and within the galaxy and between stars. 199 00:17:52,040 --> 00:18:03,040 I have said before that if Saturn or Jupiter were to be placed outside the heliosphere, some distance they would light up again as minor stars. 200 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:11,040 The point is that during the capture process there was a considerable amount of electrical energy exchanged. 201 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:17,040 And the Earth was part of that as witnessed the polar column which was a huge current sheet. 202 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:26,040 So that during that capture process even though we may have been in the outer reaches of the solar system, there was considerable energy being expended. 203 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:33,040 So, I mean, we already have evidence that the ancients went through some terrible times. 204 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:38,040 You know, the so-called twilight of the gods, the fimble of winter and so on. 205 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:45,040 And also they complained about the Sun being too hot at other times which indicates that we were on an elliptical orbit. 206 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:53,040 But during all of that, even on the elliptical orbit, there is a transfer of energy as witnessed comets and their discharges. 207 00:18:53,040 --> 00:19:03,040 So there is an electrical energy input which could, it seems to have, saved the day for the human race and other animals in the biosphere. 208 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:09,040 So I think that, I hope that answers that question. 209 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:11,040 At least we're going with it. 210 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:13,040 When you ask a question, state your name, please. 211 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:15,040 Yes, this is J. Paul de Verville. 212 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:18,040 Back to the role of conscious, unconscious. 213 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:22,040 The question is, and this is open to the panel, anyone can address. 214 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:36,040 What role or process do you see or envision REM dreams, that is one twelfth of your life, participating in, as metaphor of the unconscious, playing in the role of the electric universe? 215 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:38,040 In other words, the dreaming process. 216 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:46,040 What would really interest me would be not only the conscious discussions that we've had here, but what has happened in terms of the dream field, 217 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:51,040 in terms of all the dreams that have gone on here tonight, even though we haven't gotten that much sleep. 218 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:57,040 But I'm sure people will be dreaming of this conscious afterwards, and over between now and next. 219 00:19:57,040 --> 00:20:09,040 So where, I mean, that is probably Dean, or Rupert, that what does dreams, where does REM dream that information coming out of the unconscious spontaneously, 220 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:14,040 how might that play out in the life of the electric universe? 221 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:17,040 So, don't know volunteers here? 222 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:18,040 Yeah. 223 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:19,040 They want. 224 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:22,040 I can try. 225 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:24,040 It's a very interesting question. 226 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:44,040 Because, again, if you think of the universe as quantum coherent, and this is a theory due to this Hungarian physicist, what's his name? 227 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:47,040 Gosh, I am having a senior moment. 228 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:48,040 The club of Buddha-fest? 229 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:49,040 The side field? 230 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:50,040 Huh? 231 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:51,040 The side field? 232 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:52,040 The club of Buddha-fest? 233 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:53,040 No. 234 00:20:53,040 --> 00:21:06,040 Anyway, what he basically is saying is that, I think there's quite a lot to his theory, that we're not only quantum coherent, but also quantum holographic. 235 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:09,040 And the universe is like that as well. 236 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:18,040 And what he's saying is that when you, your memory is not stored here, basically. 237 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:21,040 It is actually stored there. 238 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:33,040 And this is where the collective memory, unconscious, whatever, is located. 239 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:36,040 I have had lots of weird experiences. 240 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:50,040 And when I'm sure that ideas come out of that, and especially during dreams, sometimes doing lucid dreams are very powerful. 241 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:57,040 And Jung has said a lot about that, about the collective unconscious. 242 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:09,040 And let me tell you, in my own case, I was totally unschooled in Chinese philosophy or anything. 243 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:18,040 I was basically largely brought up by my grandmother, who was a devout Buddhist. 244 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:33,040 But as soon as I discovered my own physics of the organisms, I'll just say that, I felt I am a Buddhist, I am a Taoist. 245 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:37,040 I was suddenly understood what Taoism was all about. 246 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:43,040 And I'm sure that it came to me via this collective unconscious. 247 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:48,040 And I don't know what people mean when they say consciousness. 248 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:54,040 I would include unconscious as part of consciousness. 249 00:22:54,040 --> 00:23:02,040 And in Whitehead's world, for example, he would have different degrees of consciousness. 250 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:09,040 So that's why, you know, electrons would have some kind of primal consciousness. 251 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:21,040 That's why he used the term prehensile unification for the fact that there is a coherent being there, see. 252 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:27,040 And it is now entangling its environment as an act of consciousness. 253 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:28,040 Thank you. 254 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:29,040 Thank you. 255 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:30,040 Thank you. 256 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:31,040 Thank you. 257 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:32,040 Sir. 258 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:33,040 Thank you. 259 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:34,040 Thank you. 260 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:35,040 Thank you. 261 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:36,040 Thank you. 262 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:37,040 Sir. 263 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:38,040 Thank you. 264 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:39,040 Thank you. 265 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:40,040 Thank you. 266 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:41,040 Thank you. 267 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:42,040 Sir. 268 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:52,040 Well, you know, we can't define it, but, you know, you know it when you see it. 269 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,040 Thank you. 270 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:55,040 Thank you. 271 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:56,040 Sir. 272 00:23:56,040 --> 00:24:03,040 Well, Kurt Young is here. 273 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:06,040 Walt sparked these two thoughts. 274 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:21,040 Before I make them, I wanted to point out that transplant recipients, some, however, have taken on the abilities of the person who's transplanted. 275 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:30,040 to accept it, like some guy accepted a heart from a pianist and he all of a sudden had this hankering to play the oboe or something. 276 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:31,040 No, it was a pianist. 277 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:32,040 That's right. 278 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:33,040 Wow. 279 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,040 Anyway, Walter. 280 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:36,040 Not now. 281 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,040 It's too late. 282 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:39,040 Instantaneous. 283 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:48,040 I wanted to talk about instantaneous for a minute and one other thought to add on to that. 284 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:54,040 Logically, to me anyway, instantaneous is the fastest you can go. 285 00:24:54,040 --> 00:25:04,040 Because if you could go faster than instantaneous, then you would be able to get there before you left, which would leave you in two places. 286 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:09,040 If you continued doing that, you could occupy the entire universe with yourself. 287 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:17,040 You're playing mind games. 288 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:23,040 The point is, as I said, it was calculated that the speed of gravity... 289 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:24,040 I read this. 290 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:25,040 Yeah, that's right. 291 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:26,040 But that's not infinite. 292 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:27,040 That's not instantaneous. 293 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:32,040 But on our scale of things, certainly it appears to be instantaneous. 294 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:41,040 Then the other thought is, any particle exists if everything is subject to the speed of light or something slower, 295 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:53,040 then every particle in the universe already has part of its past determined by the forces that are on their way to that particle. 296 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:59,040 Every particle in the universe is past is more or less already determined. 297 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:00,040 Yeah. 298 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,040 But that's a form of incoherence. 299 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:12,040 You know, if you could cut a spiral galaxy in half and you had to rely on the speed of light for the speed of gravity, 300 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:19,040 one half of the spiral could continue quite happily for tens or almost 100,000 years without knowing that the other half was removed. 301 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:25,040 Like Gene's amoeba or whatever it was. 302 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:26,040 All right. 303 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,040 Well, I hope that added to that. 304 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:30,040 Thank you. 305 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:31,040 Thank you. 306 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:34,040 Before I take another question, I get, I'm going to ask what it may want. 307 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:35,040 Yes. 308 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:41,040 Do you think life as we know it or other forms is abundant in the universe? 309 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,040 And if so, interconnected? 310 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:46,040 And what are your consequences of thinking about that? 311 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:52,040 Well, I think you mean life at least as intelligent as some of us, yeah? 312 00:26:52,040 --> 00:27:02,040 Having left yourself open, I'll let you go on with that. 313 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:03,040 Yes. 314 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:14,040 Well, I actually, this is a question I would like to ask the cosmologists and, you know, EUists in this conference. 315 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:21,040 Because if water is really as abundant as we're told, then they must be everywhere. 316 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:22,040 They must be everywhere. 317 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,040 We're probably watching it. 318 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:28,040 And as I say, there must be, there could be some in this room as well. 319 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,040 I wouldn't be at all surprised. 320 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:34,040 I, yeah, definitely I would think so. 321 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:35,040 Yeah. 322 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:43,040 My view is that life will exist wherever it's possible to exist if the information is available in real time across a galactic distance. 323 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:46,040 What do you mean by information? 324 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:51,040 You see, that word has been thrown around very, like a loose canyon. 325 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:52,040 Okay. 326 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:56,040 And I would like people to tell me what exactly is this information. 327 00:27:56,040 --> 00:28:05,040 Well, if you think of a complex biological molecule, all of the constituent parts down to the subatomic level and beyond, 328 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,040 it's like hearing a symphony all at once. 329 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:09,040 There's coherence. 330 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,040 There are signals that are emanating. 331 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:18,040 And it can also tune two signals from outside which resonate so that the whole thing is connected. 332 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:19,040 That's what I mean by information. 333 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:23,040 The resonance of that molecule is the symphony. 334 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,040 It is the information. 335 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:33,040 Now, if there is no time delay in receiving that information from vast distances away and other stellar systems, 336 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:41,040 then if there's another planet in the galaxy which can maintain life under different conditions to hear, 337 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:48,040 and the conditions on the Earth were to change catastrophically, we would then see new life forms appear overnight, so to speak. 338 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:49,040 That's my view. 339 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:59,040 And it may help explain the strange occurrences in the past where most of the life forms on Earth were wiped out and then suddenly there's all these new forms sprang up. 340 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,040 They exist elsewhere. 341 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,040 I think dinosaurs probably exist elsewhere. 342 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:08,040 This is speculation, but it's my view. 343 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:14,040 If the conditions on the Earth were to change and the gravity was to increase by a factor of three, 344 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:20,040 I think we would see dinosaurs again provided the atmosphere and everything was suitable. 345 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:21,040 Wonderful. 346 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:22,040 Thank you. 347 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:23,040 Sir. 348 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:24,040 Yes. 349 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:25,040 My name is Ron Messick. 350 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,040 I live on the Oregon coast. 351 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,040 I have a question for Wallace. 352 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:37,040 One of the speakers yesterday suggested that the planets will be demonstrated, anodes and cathodes. 353 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:49,040 Are we suggesting that there's a conjunction resonator in effect there between the planets coming into a conjunction? 354 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,040 I'm not quite sure. 355 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:58,040 Is that charge being delivered to the Sun or is there a charge? 356 00:29:58,040 --> 00:29:59,040 I see. 357 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:07,040 Well, I would say that the Sun is the focus of the galactic discharge and the planets happen to be caught up in that discharge. 358 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:12,040 They're kind of secondary electrodes, if you like, in a plasma tube almost. 359 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:19,040 And this is one of the things we're going to test with the SAFIRE project by introducing one of the secondary electrodes 360 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:27,040 and change the conditions, the electrical conditions and so on in the magnetic field just to see if we can mimic what we observe now. 361 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:33,040 So, when they're coming into conjunction, has there been any tests to indicate there's any kind of a transfer? 362 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:34,040 Oh, I see. 363 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:35,040 Yes. 364 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:39,040 Well, there's already evidence that that does occur. 365 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,040 There are two things that I could mention. 366 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:50,040 One is the fact that the so-called stringy things streaming behind Venus were detected very close to the Earth. 367 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:55,040 Now, I know that Venus is still discharging strongly. 368 00:30:55,040 --> 00:31:01,040 It's regarded as being magnetic ropes, they talk about in the Venusian ionosphere. 369 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:08,040 The other thing is that Mars has this strange phenomenon called the blue clearing when it's in opposition. 370 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:18,040 And I suggest that that's due to the magnetotail and the electric current flowing from the Earth intercepting Mars 371 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:27,040 and causing a change in the ionosphere which stops that blue UV radiation. 372 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,040 Very interesting. Thank you. 373 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:30,040 Thank you.