1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:27,560 Bill, thank you, and thank all of you, and the courage of all these ladies and gentlemen 2 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:34,140 to do this, having been on the other side. I will make one remark on the background, and 3 00:00:34,140 --> 00:00:39,740 it's just a bit of human pride. I've been amused over the last two days that all these spacecraft 4 00:00:39,740 --> 00:00:47,560 mentioned that went to comets, went to Saturn, went to Jupiter, went to the Sun, and so on. 5 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:51,940 Every single one of those was actually made by Lockheed Martin Corporation, so there's 6 00:00:51,940 --> 00:00:52,520 my ad. 7 00:00:52,520 --> 00:01:01,700 Thank you. But it is fun to see all that data put together, and it usually is never 8 00:01:01,700 --> 00:01:06,260 put together in one place. We're going to talk about the emerging science of life and 9 00:01:06,260 --> 00:01:14,300 some questions. I asked each of the panelists to put together some questions that they might 10 00:01:14,300 --> 00:01:21,180 like. Most of them did. The others I've talked with. Naturally, of course, I get to pick the 11 00:01:21,180 --> 00:01:28,440 questions, and I get to pick the ones in order, and I don't necessarily have to pick the exact 12 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:31,800 questions that they ask, but that's the point of a panel. 13 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:40,060 So, I'm going to start off with what I think is a pattern from what I heard not only today, 14 00:01:40,060 --> 00:01:47,320 but the last two and a half, almost three days here. I'm going to start with Jerry, and I'm 15 00:01:47,320 --> 00:01:55,060 going to ask Dr. Pollack, what can we take as foundational facts beyond any possible question? 16 00:01:55,060 --> 00:01:58,900 Oh, Jim, you asked the difficult ones. 17 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:10,060 You know, I started my career accepting everything in a textbook as being true, automatically true, 18 00:02:10,060 --> 00:02:16,080 because after all, how is it possible to question the great people of science? 19 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:22,700 I found myself in various fields. The one that I presented here is just the latest of a bunch of 20 00:02:22,700 --> 00:02:29,160 different fields. The one I spent the most time in was muscle contraction, and I learned as I progressed 21 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:36,980 that what seemed to be ground truth wasn't ground truth, because there were so many violations and so 22 00:02:36,980 --> 00:02:43,660 many disagreements between the accepted view and the evidence, and I thought it was unique to the 23 00:02:43,660 --> 00:02:51,480 fields in which I was immersed. And as people came to me, various friends who also have a somewhat 24 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:56,580 skeptical point of view, I learned more and more about different fields, and I found that the situation 25 00:02:56,580 --> 00:03:04,780 was exactly the same in their fields as in my field. So, I've come to appreciate that now in perhaps a few 26 00:03:04,780 --> 00:03:10,760 dozen fields I know about, there's a prevailing point of view, and there's an alternative point of view, 27 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:16,080 and just as we see here, the alternative point of view doesn't really get much hearing except in those 28 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:22,240 people who already know that the alternative has some merit. So, I reached the point in my career where 29 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:29,040 I don't accept anything. I'm not sure how much of the foundation that we come to accept is true 30 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:35,900 is really true. And people have a tendency, my fellow scientists, to invoke, you know, this principle 31 00:03:35,900 --> 00:03:40,300 principle or that principle. Well, how can you think that? Because the second law of thermodynamics 32 00:03:40,300 --> 00:03:45,780 says it's impossible, you know? And so, well, how do we know that the second law of thermodynamics is 33 00:03:45,780 --> 00:03:52,780 okay? And you can't be an expert in everything, but you need to step back and take a look and really 34 00:03:52,780 --> 00:04:01,760 weigh the evidence. So, I've reached the point where I'm not sure anything that can be taken as truth 35 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:09,600 for sure. Thank you. I would like to figure out how do we find real truth. 36 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:16,720 By, by, yeah, okay, go on. Yeah, right, we'll be here all day. 37 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:29,300 So, I'm going to go to Mei-Wan and ask, is it useful to think of the universe as an organism? 38 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:31,780 And if so, why do you think so? 39 00:04:34,780 --> 00:04:40,540 Definitely, because the short answer is because I'm thoroughly white-headian, 40 00:04:40,540 --> 00:04:50,820 Bergsonian, and so on. And the second thing is, I think Rupert said it already, if you assume that 41 00:04:50,820 --> 00:04:59,840 everything is conscious, you don't actually have to put it in, put it back in. And the third one is 42 00:04:59,840 --> 00:05:09,760 very important, because unless you are an organism, understanding an organism, you cannot really 43 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:18,380 understand nature. And that's what white-head said. And I have felt it very deeply in my heart 44 00:05:18,380 --> 00:05:20,660 that it is absolutely true. 45 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:26,600 Thank you. 46 00:05:29,660 --> 00:05:36,800 So, Rupert, do you see telepathy as a normal biological means of communication? 47 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:45,100 Yes, I think telepathy is a normal, not paranormal means of communication among members of animal 48 00:05:45,100 --> 00:05:52,200 groups. I've done a lot of work on telepathy in dogs and other animals. And I think that if it 49 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:57,960 happens, it's happening all the time in the animal world. The place, my starting point, really, 50 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:03,780 is flocks of birds and schools of fish. You have collective behavior where large numbers of 51 00:06:03,780 --> 00:06:09,220 animals can be coordinated in their movements. Flocks of birds, like starlings, can change 52 00:06:09,220 --> 00:06:13,820 direction very, very rapidly, much too quickly for just looking at their neighbors and then 53 00:06:13,820 --> 00:06:19,580 responding. And these are basically field phenomena. And so I think there's a field of 54 00:06:19,580 --> 00:06:25,600 each social group. I call it a social field, binding together members of social groups. When 55 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:30,860 members of the group separate, like wolf packs, when the young are left behind in the den and 56 00:06:30,860 --> 00:06:37,480 the old go out hunting, they remain connected at a distance. It's a kind of non-local connection. 57 00:06:37,700 --> 00:06:43,100 It's a bit like an invisible elastic band that continues to connect them. And there's evidence 58 00:06:43,100 --> 00:06:49,980 from field naturalist studies that wolves can remain in contact at a great distance, responding 59 00:06:49,980 --> 00:06:56,020 to what the others are doing by telepathy. I think the fact that domesticated animals like dogs, 60 00:06:56,020 --> 00:07:02,560 cats, parrots, horses form telepathic bonds with people is simply because we're part of the same 61 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:09,540 social group. And when we look at humans, we find exactly the same principles. I've studied 62 00:07:09,540 --> 00:07:15,860 telepathy in the relations between mothers and babies. And that's a very normal, natural kind 63 00:07:15,860 --> 00:07:21,760 of telepathy that happens quite frequently. I'm currently mainly looking at telephone telepathy, 64 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:26,740 which is the commonest kind in the modern world. 80% of people have had the experience 65 00:07:26,740 --> 00:07:30,340 of thinking of someone who then calls them. They say, that's funny, I was just thinking 66 00:07:30,340 --> 00:07:35,200 about you. Or they know who it is when the phone rings. And it's not just knowing when 67 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:40,080 someone's calling at a predictable time. I've done lots of experiments on that. I have an 68 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:45,420 online test that anyone can do on their cell phone. It's on my website, sheldrake.org. 69 00:07:45,420 --> 00:07:50,760 And again, in the telephone telepathy and the human telepathy, it's nearly always between 70 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:54,980 people who know each other well, parents and children, especially mothers and daughters, 71 00:07:55,560 --> 00:08:02,920 twins, close friends, close colleagues, and so on. So I think it's a normal means of communication 72 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:08,860 among bonded members of animal groups. Some of the early parapsychology started from a kind 73 00:08:08,860 --> 00:08:15,540 of behaviorist platform and had people guessing meaningless symbols with complete strangers 74 00:08:15,540 --> 00:08:20,500 in separate rooms. That's not how it works in real life. It happens between bonded people. 75 00:08:20,660 --> 00:08:28,800 It's about needs. You need to call someone. It's about distress, emergency, and it's not primarily 76 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:34,840 about thought transference. So I think it's perfectly normal, not paranormal, natural, not supernatural, 77 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:37,580 just part of the way animal groups work. 78 00:08:38,860 --> 00:08:46,260 Thank you. Having had personal experience of knowing when my own family or close family 79 00:08:46,260 --> 00:08:49,880 is, you don't need to call them. They're fine, even though they're supposed to have called 80 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:55,080 in, right? Or when you should call them and they haven't called in, but they really should 81 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:58,900 have called in because they are in trouble. It's a consistent thing in life. 82 00:09:02,340 --> 00:09:05,900 So, Dean, I'm going to give you the easy question you put out. 83 00:09:05,900 --> 00:09:15,060 Virtually all the world's religions and mystical traditions take for granted that certain superpowers 84 00:09:15,060 --> 00:09:21,880 exist. Mainstream science and scholarship today considers such claims to be superstitious 85 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:24,640 at best. What is your opinion? 86 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:34,600 Well, the way I get into this topic is by asking whether Buddha was just a nice guy. Or for 87 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:41,360 Buddha, you could substitute Jesus or Moses or Muhammad or other people with first names starting 88 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:54,360 in the middle of the world. I'm hearing an echo or a bell, though. I don't know why that's happening. 89 00:09:54,360 --> 00:10:00,520 Because you're not speaking loud, though. Oh. In that case, I shall speak here. All right. 90 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:13,520 Now this is falling. It's falling. It's not good. All right. Let's do that. 91 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:23,060 So if you look at groups now, there are a couple of groups looking at advanced meditation research, 92 00:10:23,060 --> 00:10:29,040 and they work with the Dalai Lama has been instrumental in bringing together neuroscientists 93 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:37,100 and physicists. The upshot of their discussions is almost always reaching a conclusion that Buddha 94 00:10:37,100 --> 00:10:43,280 Buddha was a nice guy, because there's no room to go beyond that possibility. The Dalai Lama himself 95 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:49,400 has said many times, has tried to bring up the idea of the oracle that's used by the Tibetans, 96 00:10:49,860 --> 00:10:55,440 and ideas of the siddhis or the special yoga powers that are produced by long-term meditation. 97 00:10:56,400 --> 00:11:01,620 And the scientists who are discussing this with the Dalai Lama are being kind and humoring him, 98 00:11:02,220 --> 00:11:06,380 and basically saying that there's no evidence for such things. So they drop the matter immediately. 99 00:11:07,100 --> 00:11:11,520 When I read that, and I'm sure when Rupert reads that sort of thing, of course, our 100 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:17,180 hackles are raised, because we know that that's simply not true. There's an enormous amount of evidence, 101 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:22,880 not only for relatively simple or elementary psychic abilities, but for some of the more advanced 102 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:30,440 cities as well. So at some point, maybe the Dalai Lama will win this argument, and there'll be a 103 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:36,360 connection between what we actually do know within science about some of the supernormal capacities. 104 00:11:37,100 --> 00:11:43,820 So I use the word supernormal rather than supernatural. Sometimes the two are thought 105 00:11:43,820 --> 00:11:48,640 to be synonymous, but they're really not. Supernatural is a word that refers to a divine 106 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:53,940 intervention. And science, almost by definition, cannot study the divine, because we don't know 107 00:11:53,940 --> 00:11:59,400 where to go to go look for that very well. But we can look very easily for supernormal effects. 108 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:06,560 So at this point, I would say that high-functioning telepathy and high-functioning precognition and the 109 00:12:06,560 --> 00:12:11,920 other phenomenon that we know of, to have really high functioning of the sort that is described in 110 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:18,720 the ancient yogic literature is very rare. So that's supernormal, because it's normal, but it's much 111 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:24,900 better than we commonly see. When we do studies in the laboratory, we can confirm in principle that some 112 00:12:24,900 --> 00:12:30,100 of the legends that have come down over thousands of years of the special abilities that were claimed 113 00:12:30,100 --> 00:12:37,540 of Buddha and Jesus and Moses and the others, those things do exist. So it raises the debate. 114 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:44,580 You would think that, for example, that within the religious scholarship world, among scholars who 115 00:12:44,580 --> 00:12:50,120 study religion, that this would be something that would be discussed, but it isn't. So it's not just 116 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:55,640 science. It's within science and scholarship. This is almost uniformly ignored, because we live in a 117 00:12:55,640 --> 00:13:00,060 world where such things should not be able to exist. The fact is that they do. 118 00:13:02,460 --> 00:13:03,100 Thank you. 119 00:13:05,860 --> 00:13:10,680 So, Craig, does it feel good that I'm going in a row, and then the nervous level goes up? 120 00:13:10,680 --> 00:13:22,660 How do you see your work on the concept of context as you studied in nature relate to the things you've 121 00:13:22,660 --> 00:13:31,140 heard the last couple of days, and especially the issues and the concepts related to Jerry's work 122 00:13:31,140 --> 00:13:35,660 or May Wands, or Rupert's, or Dean's? 123 00:13:35,660 --> 00:13:37,660 He was not here earlier. 124 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:39,640 I wasn't here the first day. 125 00:13:39,780 --> 00:13:41,080 I know, but you were here the last two. 126 00:13:44,020 --> 00:13:47,520 Well, that's a wide enough question I can say almost anything. 127 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:48,840 The intent. 128 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:59,300 I mean, actually, something I'd like to address in terms of context, and it's come up a number of times in the last two days, 129 00:13:59,300 --> 00:14:12,340 and frame it more as a question, and what can one do, is why is it that our educational systems have remained 130 00:14:12,340 --> 00:14:19,920 so resistant to change, to what makes sense? 131 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:28,820 The way the university system has stayed so much the same over the past 100, 200 years, 132 00:14:28,820 --> 00:14:29,940 so little change. 133 00:14:30,020 --> 00:14:36,060 Of course, it's gotten more technological, et cetera, et cetera, but fundamentally, very little change. 134 00:14:36,780 --> 00:14:43,160 Very little awareness of the needs of human beings to be creative people. 135 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:50,260 So you have educational system where people come in and start teaching and have never studied the human being 136 00:14:50,260 --> 00:14:51,860 as a developing creature. 137 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:53,660 I'm talking about university professors. 138 00:14:53,660 --> 00:15:00,160 I have three children who have just been going through the university, so I've gotten lots of this 139 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:08,120 through conversations of the disastrous consequences, you can say, for many young people, 140 00:15:08,580 --> 00:15:12,420 of professors who have no sense of the people they're working with. 141 00:15:12,620 --> 00:15:13,880 Where does that come from? 142 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:23,700 And I think it's a certain inertia of the mindset that I was trying to describe this morning, 143 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:32,100 of you have a sense of this is what one needs to know, and then you bring it out as knowledge. 144 00:15:32,220 --> 00:15:38,780 It was talked about this morning in the sense of rote memorization, and biology happens to be one of the worst subjects for that. 145 00:15:38,780 --> 00:15:51,080 And people don't think, or at any point in their education, are they encouraged to look at something for its own sake 146 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:55,100 and say, what does it need in order to develop itself better? 147 00:15:55,660 --> 00:15:58,120 What does it need for its own conditions? 148 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:02,460 But you're learning, if you were like me, through the public school system, 149 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:07,060 what I learned was how to get through my tests in the best way. 150 00:16:07,060 --> 00:16:09,060 That's what learning was about. 151 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:09,980 It was a strategy. 152 00:16:10,540 --> 00:16:12,540 It was never for the thing itself. 153 00:16:13,500 --> 00:16:16,620 So it seems to me, for context, if we look at context, 154 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:23,140 and it's the awareness of context and the practice of context in society 155 00:16:23,140 --> 00:16:28,560 and how it could lead to a culture that would be open to change, 156 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:31,780 then we need to start in kindergarten and earlier 157 00:16:31,780 --> 00:16:37,180 with education that's based on experience and exploration 158 00:16:37,180 --> 00:16:42,460 rather than on this is what someone needs to know for that. 159 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:48,840 I mean, I hope you're aware of things like people are teaching PowerPoint in second grade 160 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:51,280 to their children. 161 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:52,640 Well, why are they doing it? 162 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:55,080 Because the children need to know it for fifth grade. 163 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:57,040 Well, why do the fifth graders need to know it? 164 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:58,800 Well, they need to know it for eighth grade. 165 00:16:59,060 --> 00:17:00,660 Why do the eighth graders need to know it? 166 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:01,920 They need to know it for high school. 167 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:09,120 We have this very short-term thinking of this for that, this for that, this for that, 168 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:13,760 but not what is it that imbues the human being with characteristics 169 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:17,560 to explore, to create, to think outside the box. 170 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:21,820 And it seems to me that in terms of societal impact, 171 00:17:22,140 --> 00:17:25,420 we need to start looking much more seriously 172 00:17:25,420 --> 00:17:29,140 at a really heavy-duty revolution in education. 173 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:33,360 Thank you. 174 00:17:34,180 --> 00:17:36,520 I think my wife, who spent years in teaching, 175 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:38,740 would like to help you put that... 176 00:17:38,740 --> 00:17:39,960 Yeah, she's clapping in the back. 177 00:17:41,360 --> 00:17:42,460 We'll talk later. 178 00:17:42,460 --> 00:17:51,440 So, Wal, how do you see the concepts being developed 179 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:53,900 within the EU community the last some years 180 00:17:53,900 --> 00:17:57,100 relating to those concepts that have been developed 181 00:17:57,100 --> 00:17:58,220 by your other panelists? 182 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:02,780 That's quite a big subject. 183 00:18:03,740 --> 00:18:04,580 You've got time. 184 00:18:06,380 --> 00:18:09,560 This all grew out of the original desire 185 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:12,200 to be able to explain the strange... 186 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:13,720 Yeah, that'd be better. 187 00:18:16,060 --> 00:18:16,460 Thanks. 188 00:18:17,120 --> 00:18:20,180 This grew out of all of the imagery in that 189 00:18:20,180 --> 00:18:21,620 that David Talbot showed me, 190 00:18:21,700 --> 00:18:22,600 but earlier than that, 191 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:27,620 Velikovsky's uncovering of the unstable solar system. 192 00:18:28,620 --> 00:18:33,160 I had the privilege of visiting him in his home in 1979, 193 00:18:34,120 --> 00:18:35,800 only a few months before he died. 194 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:38,920 And my question to him was, 195 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:41,220 what don't we understand about gravity? 196 00:18:41,500 --> 00:18:43,200 Because it was obvious that his challenge 197 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:47,160 was to the gravity theory of the solar system 198 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:48,940 and therefore also the universe. 199 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:51,980 He gave me his tiny book, 200 00:18:52,580 --> 00:18:54,080 Cosmos Without Gravitation, 201 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:55,140 and that gave the hint 202 00:18:55,140 --> 00:18:57,500 of how this electric force might operate. 203 00:18:58,520 --> 00:18:59,980 In other words, it was looked upon 204 00:18:59,980 --> 00:19:03,320 by Velikovsky as a dipolar electric force. 205 00:19:05,140 --> 00:19:07,000 That progressed a couple of years later, 206 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:08,920 having that seed planted in my mind 207 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:10,660 when I met Ralph Sandsbury, 208 00:19:11,340 --> 00:19:14,840 and he had a model of electron structure. 209 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:18,180 Now, electrons are not supposed to have structure. 210 00:19:18,180 --> 00:19:24,020 And with that simple model of orbiting smaller charged particles, 211 00:19:24,140 --> 00:19:27,120 he was able to describe both gravity and magnetism 212 00:19:27,120 --> 00:19:29,020 in very simple terms, 213 00:19:29,140 --> 00:19:30,080 and that appealed to me. 214 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:36,040 Once you understand that gravity may be an electrical force, 215 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:37,120 the question then is, 216 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:39,100 how do you meet the requirement 217 00:19:39,100 --> 00:19:41,660 that was uncovered by several astronomers, 218 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:43,060 including Tom Van Flanden, 219 00:19:43,620 --> 00:19:45,580 that the electric force must operate 220 00:19:45,580 --> 00:19:47,280 far in excess of the speed of light 221 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:49,980 for the solar system to be coherent? 222 00:19:49,980 --> 00:19:53,940 Tom Van Flanden found, 223 00:19:53,940 --> 00:19:55,820 just from simple calculations 224 00:19:55,820 --> 00:19:58,940 based on close orbiting binary stars, 225 00:19:59,980 --> 00:20:01,060 that the speed of light 226 00:20:01,060 --> 00:20:05,000 would have to exceed 20 billion times... 227 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:05,300 Sorry. 228 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:07,140 The speed of gravity 229 00:20:07,140 --> 00:20:09,400 would have to exceed 20 billion times 230 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:10,240 the speed of light 231 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:12,380 for that system to remain stable 232 00:20:12,380 --> 00:20:14,460 over the period that these stars were observed. 233 00:20:14,460 --> 00:20:16,840 That was a clue. 234 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:19,780 Also, Ralph Sandsbury had given an initial clue 235 00:20:19,780 --> 00:20:21,720 because he calculated the speed 236 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:24,280 of these tiny orbiting particles in the electron. 237 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,180 If you tried to confine them 238 00:20:27,180 --> 00:20:28,420 to the size, 239 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:30,040 the classical size of an electron, 240 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:34,120 and those particles could be somehow liberated, 241 00:20:35,260 --> 00:20:37,460 those particles could travel from here 242 00:20:37,460 --> 00:20:39,220 to the other side of the Andromeda galaxy 243 00:20:39,220 --> 00:20:39,960 in one second. 244 00:20:40,380 --> 00:20:41,500 So this gives you an impression 245 00:20:41,500 --> 00:20:44,400 of the speed of the electric force. 246 00:20:44,460 --> 00:20:47,960 There was another aspect to it, of course. 247 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:49,900 Once we had the polar configuration 248 00:20:49,900 --> 00:20:52,620 and the capture of proto-Saturn, 249 00:20:52,740 --> 00:20:54,000 the brown dwarf, by the sun, 250 00:20:54,060 --> 00:20:55,440 there are all sorts of other considerations. 251 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:57,280 It means, for instance, 252 00:20:57,360 --> 00:20:58,640 that gravity can be modified 253 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:00,620 by changing the charge on a body. 254 00:21:01,660 --> 00:21:02,840 There is no such thing 255 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:04,860 as a universal gravitational constant. 256 00:21:06,360 --> 00:21:08,320 It's neither universal nor constant. 257 00:21:10,260 --> 00:21:11,300 You might ask, 258 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:13,520 what's this got to do with organisms and so on? 259 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:15,000 The point is that 260 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,000 if all atoms are made up 261 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:20,220 of a lower order of orbiting charges 262 00:21:20,220 --> 00:21:22,820 and they can form these tiny dipoles, 263 00:21:23,620 --> 00:21:25,420 they can also communicate, 264 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:26,860 if you like to put it that way, 265 00:21:26,940 --> 00:21:29,640 or via this invisible elastic band, 266 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:30,440 as Rupert said, 267 00:21:31,300 --> 00:21:34,020 of electric force between molecules, 268 00:21:34,020 --> 00:21:36,160 there is an instantaneous communication system. 269 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:37,900 And when you think about it, 270 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,040 living systems rely on 271 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,540 an instantaneous communication system 272 00:21:42,540 --> 00:21:48,020 between all the complex chemical operations 273 00:21:48,020 --> 00:21:49,460 that are going on in your body 274 00:21:49,460 --> 00:21:51,480 every microsecond. 275 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,960 So I think that 276 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:57,360 the universe is an organism, 277 00:21:58,780 --> 00:22:01,020 as May Wain Ho was asked, 278 00:22:01,900 --> 00:22:04,280 because all matter in the universe 279 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,400 is obviously connected by this electric force. 280 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:08,220 What's more, 281 00:22:09,020 --> 00:22:10,700 quantum theory can now be understood 282 00:22:10,700 --> 00:22:13,580 through this connection 283 00:22:13,580 --> 00:22:15,800 as resonant, 284 00:22:15,940 --> 00:22:18,580 coherent communication 285 00:22:18,580 --> 00:22:21,360 between like similar, 286 00:22:21,820 --> 00:22:22,780 or like atoms, 287 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:23,760 like particles, 288 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:24,640 like molecules. 289 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:26,080 And I think this also 290 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,120 goes some way 291 00:22:28,120 --> 00:22:28,800 to understanding 292 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:29,780 the specificity 293 00:22:29,780 --> 00:22:31,640 of telepathy and so on. 294 00:22:32,180 --> 00:22:33,520 The more alike you are, 295 00:22:33,620 --> 00:22:35,060 or the more contact you've had, 296 00:22:35,700 --> 00:22:37,900 which can lead to modifications, 297 00:22:38,100 --> 00:22:38,520 of course, 298 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:39,160 within you, 299 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,180 the more easy 300 00:22:41,180 --> 00:22:42,280 I think it is to communicate. 301 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,280 So the electric universe, 302 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:47,460 unlike the Big Bang, 303 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:48,840 actually does have something 304 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:50,660 possibly useful to say 305 00:22:50,660 --> 00:22:52,060 about life, 306 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:53,040 the universe, 307 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:53,720 and everything. 308 00:22:58,600 --> 00:22:59,280 Thank you. 309 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:01,140 That's good. 310 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:05,600 So, I'm the moderator, 311 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:06,980 so I get to moderate, 312 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:08,320 so I get to ask the questions. 313 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,380 But I also get to change form 314 00:23:10,380 --> 00:23:10,860 a little bit 315 00:23:10,860 --> 00:23:13,040 since I'm up here. 316 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,280 I'm going to ask the panel members 317 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:17,320 a few of them, 318 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:18,280 a few more questions. 319 00:23:19,300 --> 00:23:20,680 There is a mic over there 320 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:21,280 that can be used. 321 00:23:22,060 --> 00:23:23,400 You've all taken some notes 322 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,200 when I think of each other's talking, 323 00:23:25,360 --> 00:23:26,460 so I'm going to give you a chance 324 00:23:26,460 --> 00:23:29,160 to perhaps ask each other questions 325 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:30,440 or comments you want to make 326 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:31,280 once you've heard each other. 327 00:23:31,700 --> 00:23:32,540 But I'm also going to give 328 00:23:32,540 --> 00:23:33,660 an opportunity for members 329 00:23:33,660 --> 00:23:34,200 in the audience 330 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:34,820 to come up 331 00:23:34,820 --> 00:23:36,100 and ask a question 332 00:23:36,100 --> 00:23:36,920 or two of the panel, 333 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:38,460 and I'll let you decide 334 00:23:38,460 --> 00:23:40,100 I'm going to take that one 335 00:23:40,100 --> 00:23:40,760 or not, 336 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:41,700 the case may be. 337 00:23:42,380 --> 00:23:43,200 I'm going to go back 338 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:44,940 to Jerry for a minute. 339 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,020 So, how do we define life? 340 00:23:52,380 --> 00:23:53,640 It's two easy ones now. 341 00:23:54,500 --> 00:23:55,520 Yeah, two easy ones. 342 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,680 I don't think anybody 343 00:23:58,680 --> 00:23:59,580 has come up 344 00:23:59,580 --> 00:24:00,640 with a satisfactory 345 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,220 definition of life. 346 00:24:05,140 --> 00:24:05,980 For example, 347 00:24:06,120 --> 00:24:07,100 if you take a seed, 348 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:09,500 is a seed living 349 00:24:09,500 --> 00:24:11,660 or is a seed non-living? 350 00:24:11,820 --> 00:24:13,160 Seeds can be in existence 351 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,420 for hundreds 352 00:24:15,420 --> 00:24:16,640 or thousands of years 353 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,160 and then spring back to life 354 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,120 as soon as you add water. 355 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:21,320 But is the seed itself 356 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,200 alive or not alive? 357 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,240 It's not defined. 358 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:26,920 Personally, 359 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:28,400 I think the answer, 360 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:29,340 or I think the question 361 00:24:29,340 --> 00:24:30,440 is not well posed. 362 00:24:30,940 --> 00:24:31,980 If you'll pardon me, 363 00:24:32,380 --> 00:24:32,540 Jim. 364 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:33,500 I think I came up 365 00:24:33,500 --> 00:24:33,980 with a question. 366 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:35,980 I was trying to be helpful. 367 00:24:38,380 --> 00:24:39,980 I can rephrase it for you. 368 00:24:41,980 --> 00:24:42,680 No, I think 369 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:44,220 the reason I say this 370 00:24:44,220 --> 00:24:44,680 is that 371 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:46,540 in our experience 372 00:24:46,540 --> 00:24:47,220 in biology 373 00:24:47,220 --> 00:24:48,800 and in chemistry 374 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:49,260 and physics, 375 00:24:49,340 --> 00:24:49,680 I guess, 376 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:50,900 we found that 377 00:24:50,900 --> 00:24:53,620 almost every life function 378 00:24:53,620 --> 00:24:55,040 can be simulated 379 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:55,960 in the laboratory. 380 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:58,000 And for example, 381 00:24:58,120 --> 00:24:58,600 if you take, 382 00:24:59,300 --> 00:25:01,340 those of you who are biologists 383 00:25:01,340 --> 00:25:01,860 will know, 384 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:03,120 if you stick an electrode 385 00:25:03,120 --> 00:25:03,980 into a cell, 386 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:04,960 a living cell, 387 00:25:05,580 --> 00:25:06,180 if you measure 388 00:25:06,180 --> 00:25:07,200 the potential difference 389 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:07,920 between the inside 390 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:08,480 and the outside, 391 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:10,340 you get 100 millivolts 392 00:25:10,340 --> 00:25:10,720 or so. 393 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:11,980 And many people 394 00:25:11,980 --> 00:25:12,640 used to think 395 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:13,200 that this was 396 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:14,300 a very important 397 00:25:14,300 --> 00:25:15,920 distinguishing factor 398 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:16,420 of life 399 00:25:16,420 --> 00:25:17,380 because the membrane, 400 00:25:17,500 --> 00:25:17,940 after all, 401 00:25:17,940 --> 00:25:19,040 the membrane of the cell 402 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,580 is central 403 00:25:21,580 --> 00:25:22,540 for producing 404 00:25:22,540 --> 00:25:24,400 this potential difference. 405 00:25:24,740 --> 00:25:25,780 And then we found, 406 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:26,940 or other people found too, 407 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:27,880 that if you stick 408 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:28,760 the same electrode 409 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:29,860 into a gel, 410 00:25:30,420 --> 00:25:30,940 not a cell, 411 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:31,580 no membrane, 412 00:25:31,740 --> 00:25:32,780 you get the same result. 413 00:25:33,500 --> 00:25:36,360 So this is kind of puzzling. 414 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,400 And then another definition, 415 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:41,920 I mentioned the membrane. 416 00:25:42,220 --> 00:25:43,220 Some people think, 417 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:44,020 well, the membrane, 418 00:25:44,020 --> 00:25:44,840 the cell membrane 419 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:46,400 is the essence of life. 420 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:47,760 If you've got no membrane, 421 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:48,580 you don't have life, 422 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:49,360 you have a membrane, 423 00:25:49,580 --> 00:25:51,180 that's really important. 424 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,920 But I found among many people, 425 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:55,740 many reports 426 00:25:55,740 --> 00:25:57,520 of people taking cells 427 00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:58,980 and basically slicing 428 00:25:58,980 --> 00:25:59,960 the cell in half. 429 00:26:00,900 --> 00:26:02,020 And the surprise is that 430 00:26:02,020 --> 00:26:03,460 the cell doesn't always die 431 00:26:03,460 --> 00:26:04,400 when you do that. 432 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:06,300 And so you basically 433 00:26:06,300 --> 00:26:07,840 decapitated the cell. 434 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:09,240 And the cell is able 435 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:10,000 to do just fine. 436 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:10,420 In fact, 437 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:11,540 it can go on to divide 438 00:26:11,540 --> 00:26:12,640 and produce more cells 439 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,380 as though nothing's happened. 440 00:26:14,380 --> 00:26:15,160 You can take 441 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:16,760 a fibroblast cell 442 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:20,260 producing connective tissue 443 00:26:20,260 --> 00:26:22,160 sitting on a glass surface. 444 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:23,580 And these cells are nice. 445 00:26:23,660 --> 00:26:24,260 You can watch them 446 00:26:24,260 --> 00:26:25,040 crawl along. 447 00:26:25,820 --> 00:26:26,340 And sometimes 448 00:26:26,340 --> 00:26:27,780 the rear end of the cell 449 00:26:27,780 --> 00:26:29,920 gets stuck onto the glass, 450 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:30,800 but the front end 451 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:31,900 breaks free, 452 00:26:32,220 --> 00:26:32,820 keeps moving 453 00:26:32,820 --> 00:26:33,840 with the same velocity. 454 00:26:34,300 --> 00:26:35,240 It doesn't know that 455 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:36,340 it's been decapitated. 456 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:37,440 It just goes on and on. 457 00:26:37,500 --> 00:26:38,320 So there's no membrane, 458 00:26:38,500 --> 00:26:39,500 but the function is fine. 459 00:26:39,500 --> 00:26:41,140 So, you know, 460 00:26:41,180 --> 00:26:41,800 if you go back 461 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:45,420 to some of the fundamental aspects, 462 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:47,000 they don't exactly fit. 463 00:26:47,100 --> 00:26:47,860 Even movement, 464 00:26:48,340 --> 00:26:49,500 Albert St. Georgie, 465 00:26:50,220 --> 00:26:50,380 you know, 466 00:26:50,380 --> 00:26:50,940 as I mentioned, 467 00:26:51,020 --> 00:26:53,700 the father of modern biochemistry, 468 00:26:54,420 --> 00:26:55,760 he said life is motion, 469 00:26:55,940 --> 00:26:56,640 life is movement. 470 00:26:57,340 --> 00:26:58,420 But, you know, 471 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:00,040 we found in the laboratory 472 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:01,640 that we can get lots of movement 473 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:02,860 without life. 474 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:04,960 So my own personal thought 475 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,940 is that there's no sharp boundary 476 00:27:07,940 --> 00:27:09,520 between living and non-living. 477 00:27:09,740 --> 00:27:12,060 It's a continuous progression 478 00:27:12,060 --> 00:27:13,200 from one to the other. 479 00:27:13,620 --> 00:27:14,880 And if you'd like to define life, 480 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:15,860 you can just take 481 00:27:15,860 --> 00:27:17,220 some arbitrary cut 482 00:27:17,220 --> 00:27:18,540 and create a boundary. 483 00:27:18,740 --> 00:27:20,300 But I think the question is, 484 00:27:20,620 --> 00:27:21,300 again, I say, 485 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:22,540 maybe not well put. 486 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:25,840 Well, why did you put it that way? 487 00:27:27,420 --> 00:27:28,120 Thank you. 488 00:27:29,580 --> 00:27:31,880 Well, you were posing 489 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:32,860 these questions well. 490 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:34,660 So I'm going to go over 491 00:27:34,660 --> 00:27:36,120 to Rupert 492 00:27:36,120 --> 00:27:37,080 and skip me one. 493 00:27:37,940 --> 00:27:40,500 See, I get to surprise you. 494 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:41,640 Oh, good. 495 00:27:41,860 --> 00:27:43,340 And the question 496 00:27:43,340 --> 00:27:44,620 I'm going to ask Dr. Sheldrick 497 00:27:44,620 --> 00:27:48,000 is you had a question 498 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,020 on the missing heritability problem 499 00:27:50,020 --> 00:27:52,200 and how a morphic field resonance 500 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:53,240 shed line on it. 501 00:27:54,180 --> 00:27:55,420 I'd like to enlarge it 502 00:27:55,420 --> 00:27:56,240 or change it a bit. 503 00:27:57,820 --> 00:27:58,700 How do you see 504 00:27:58,700 --> 00:28:00,100 what you call morphic resonance 505 00:28:00,100 --> 00:28:02,580 related to what Jerry and others 506 00:28:02,580 --> 00:28:03,320 are wrestling with, 507 00:28:03,380 --> 00:28:04,380 what is life? 508 00:28:04,940 --> 00:28:06,060 And how does it relate to that? 509 00:28:06,060 --> 00:28:14,800 Um, well, 510 00:28:16,120 --> 00:28:16,920 morphic resonance 511 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:18,060 is a memory principle 512 00:28:18,060 --> 00:28:18,640 in nature. 513 00:28:19,300 --> 00:28:20,720 And the reason I think 514 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:21,260 we need it 515 00:28:21,260 --> 00:28:23,260 is in an evolutionary system 516 00:28:23,260 --> 00:28:24,380 like biology 517 00:28:24,380 --> 00:28:25,080 or indeed 518 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:25,880 the whole cosmos. 519 00:28:27,700 --> 00:28:29,180 An evolutionary system 520 00:28:29,180 --> 00:28:30,260 depends on what's happened 521 00:28:30,260 --> 00:28:31,000 in the past. 522 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:32,300 and memory 523 00:28:32,300 --> 00:28:33,300 is a key thing 524 00:28:33,300 --> 00:28:33,780 for that. 525 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:35,620 The existing cosmology 526 00:28:35,620 --> 00:28:36,600 we have based on 527 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,920 eternal mathematical laws 528 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:40,320 is a universe 529 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,260 that's completely amnesic. 530 00:28:43,140 --> 00:28:44,160 Everything's constantly 531 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:45,340 determined by a kind 532 00:28:45,340 --> 00:28:46,920 of eternal principles 533 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,140 which can't themselves evolve. 534 00:28:49,140 --> 00:28:50,720 So I think memory 535 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:51,820 is an essential feature 536 00:28:51,820 --> 00:28:53,800 of any truly evolving system 537 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:55,560 and it's an essential feature 538 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:56,540 of evolving life. 539 00:28:57,340 --> 00:28:59,240 And it's an essential feature 540 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:00,240 of any continuation 541 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:01,340 of any organism. 542 00:29:02,380 --> 00:29:03,360 Organisms are not 543 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:04,380 solid things 544 00:29:04,380 --> 00:29:05,780 that just persist in time. 545 00:29:06,100 --> 00:29:07,680 They're continually recreated. 546 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:09,660 They have to be 547 00:29:09,660 --> 00:29:10,680 even an electron. 548 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:11,380 It's a wave. 549 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:12,300 A wave has to keep 550 00:29:12,300 --> 00:29:13,200 making itself 551 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:14,540 to be a wave. 552 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:15,840 So I think 553 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:16,940 that this resonance 554 00:29:16,940 --> 00:29:17,880 is both 555 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,340 one of the keys 556 00:29:19,340 --> 00:29:20,340 to the continuation 557 00:29:20,340 --> 00:29:21,100 of anything 558 00:29:21,100 --> 00:29:21,780 by resonance 559 00:29:21,780 --> 00:29:22,540 with itself. 560 00:29:22,980 --> 00:29:23,800 Self-resonance 561 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:24,400 is the basis 562 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:25,200 of continuation. 563 00:29:27,260 --> 00:29:29,780 And in living organisms 564 00:29:29,780 --> 00:29:31,500 what they inherit 565 00:29:31,500 --> 00:29:32,580 is a resonance 566 00:29:32,580 --> 00:29:33,520 from the past 567 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,060 from their own past 568 00:29:35,060 --> 00:29:35,820 which maintains 569 00:29:35,820 --> 00:29:36,720 their own form. 570 00:29:36,900 --> 00:29:37,860 I think our own memories 571 00:29:37,860 --> 00:29:38,920 depend on resonance 572 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:39,840 not on storage 573 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:40,480 in the brain. 574 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:42,260 We have our own memories 575 00:29:42,260 --> 00:29:43,200 not other people's 576 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:44,000 because we're more similar 577 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:44,640 to ourselves 578 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:45,300 in the past 579 00:29:45,300 --> 00:29:46,260 than to anyone else. 580 00:29:47,220 --> 00:29:48,020 Identical twins 581 00:29:48,020 --> 00:29:48,540 are similar 582 00:29:48,540 --> 00:29:49,280 to their twins 583 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:50,120 and they I think 584 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:51,260 resonate quite a lot 585 00:29:51,260 --> 00:29:52,100 causing them 586 00:29:52,100 --> 00:29:52,900 to be very similar. 587 00:29:53,300 --> 00:29:53,900 Then when people 588 00:29:53,900 --> 00:29:54,800 find they're similar 589 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:56,040 growing up separately 590 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:56,320 they say 591 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:56,860 oh it proves 592 00:29:56,860 --> 00:29:57,840 it's all in the genes. 593 00:29:58,160 --> 00:29:58,620 I don't think 594 00:29:58,620 --> 00:29:59,300 it proves anything 595 00:29:59,300 --> 00:29:59,940 of the kind. 596 00:30:01,500 --> 00:30:02,520 And because this 597 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:03,840 gives an inflated view 598 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:04,900 of inheritance 599 00:30:04,900 --> 00:30:05,640 through genes 600 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,200 the identical twin studies 601 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:08,380 when you come 602 00:30:08,380 --> 00:30:09,020 to what genes 603 00:30:09,020 --> 00:30:09,660 really do 604 00:30:09,660 --> 00:30:10,440 through the genome 605 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:11,020 project 606 00:30:11,020 --> 00:30:11,640 the genome 607 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:12,460 wide association 608 00:30:12,460 --> 00:30:13,240 project 609 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:14,120 has shown 610 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:14,800 that in many 611 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:15,680 features like 612 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:16,120 height 613 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:17,040 in human beings 614 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:18,040 genes only 615 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:18,540 account for 616 00:30:18,540 --> 00:30:19,420 about 5% 617 00:30:19,420 --> 00:30:19,960 of it 618 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:21,120 and this leads 619 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:21,580 to the 620 00:30:21,580 --> 00:30:22,800 missing heritability 621 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:23,340 problem. 622 00:30:23,500 --> 00:30:24,240 Most of inheritance 623 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:25,220 is unaccounted 624 00:30:25,220 --> 00:30:26,140 for by the genes 625 00:30:26,140 --> 00:30:27,740 or even by epigenetics. 626 00:30:28,580 --> 00:30:29,220 So I think 627 00:30:29,220 --> 00:30:30,540 that morphic resonance 628 00:30:30,540 --> 00:30:32,000 is the key feature 629 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:32,860 for understanding 630 00:30:32,860 --> 00:30:33,700 inheritance 631 00:30:33,700 --> 00:30:34,540 and evolution. 632 00:30:35,140 --> 00:30:35,920 Collective memory 633 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:36,740 on which members 634 00:30:36,740 --> 00:30:38,020 of each species 635 00:30:38,020 --> 00:30:38,860 draw and to which 636 00:30:38,860 --> 00:30:39,660 they contribute 637 00:30:39,660 --> 00:30:42,220 is different 638 00:30:42,220 --> 00:30:42,820 in degree 639 00:30:42,820 --> 00:30:43,740 but not in kind 640 00:30:43,740 --> 00:30:44,940 from individual memory 641 00:30:44,940 --> 00:30:45,960 both depend 642 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:46,580 on the resonance 643 00:30:46,580 --> 00:30:47,460 across time. 644 00:30:48,220 --> 00:30:48,620 So I think 645 00:30:48,620 --> 00:30:49,220 that resonance 646 00:30:49,220 --> 00:30:50,040 is the key 647 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:51,520 this resonant process 648 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:53,040 and it also means 649 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:53,820 that because memory 650 00:30:53,820 --> 00:30:54,620 doesn't have to be 651 00:30:54,620 --> 00:30:55,600 stored in 652 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,560 phosphorylated proteins 653 00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:58,900 or modified 654 00:30:58,900 --> 00:30:59,720 synapses 655 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:00,900 anything that's 656 00:31:00,900 --> 00:31:01,680 self-organizing 657 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:02,540 can have a memory 658 00:31:02,540 --> 00:31:03,420 a galaxy 659 00:31:03,420 --> 00:31:04,280 can have a memory 660 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:05,280 and a sun 661 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:06,120 can have a memory 662 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:06,900 even though 663 00:31:06,900 --> 00:31:08,020 it's far too hot 664 00:31:08,020 --> 00:31:09,060 to have hard 665 00:31:09,060 --> 00:31:10,100 drive type 666 00:31:10,100 --> 00:31:11,020 memory storage 667 00:31:11,020 --> 00:31:12,680 by self-resonance 668 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:13,900 there'll be a memory 669 00:31:13,900 --> 00:31:14,480 built in 670 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,280 to everything. 671 00:31:17,260 --> 00:31:17,960 And coming back 672 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:18,500 to the thing 673 00:31:18,500 --> 00:31:19,560 about what is alive 674 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:20,220 I would think 675 00:31:20,220 --> 00:31:21,300 self-organization 676 00:31:21,300 --> 00:31:22,580 is one of the key things 677 00:31:22,580 --> 00:31:23,500 because I think 678 00:31:23,500 --> 00:31:24,360 the sun's alive 679 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:25,160 but it doesn't 680 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:25,740 reproduce 681 00:31:25,740 --> 00:31:28,400 like a biological organism. 682 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:29,700 I think the universe 683 00:31:29,700 --> 00:31:30,420 is alive 684 00:31:30,420 --> 00:31:31,580 and as far as we know 685 00:31:31,580 --> 00:31:32,620 it doesn't bud off 686 00:31:32,620 --> 00:31:33,660 other universes 687 00:31:33,660 --> 00:31:34,400 it might do 688 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:35,400 but I think 689 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:36,520 the galaxy is alive 690 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:37,720 so I think 691 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:38,540 life has to do 692 00:31:38,540 --> 00:31:41,300 with self-organization 693 00:31:41,300 --> 00:31:42,680 movement towards 694 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:44,380 an organism's 695 00:31:44,380 --> 00:31:45,080 or system's 696 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:45,780 own ends 697 00:31:45,780 --> 00:31:46,420 or goals 698 00:31:46,420 --> 00:31:49,380 and a self-recreation 699 00:31:49,380 --> 00:31:50,080 through memory 700 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:50,880 through resonance 701 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:51,480 with itself 702 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:52,160 in the past 703 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:53,360 and a collective memory 704 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:54,640 of similar things 705 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:55,160 elsewhere.