1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,640 Good afternoon to everybody and welcome to this new debriefing. Today I have the... 2 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:10,919 of receiving somebody I have invited many times, Dr. Peter McCullough from the United 3 00:00:10,919 --> 00:00:13,560 States. Good afternoon, Peter. 4 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:14,560 Thanks for having me. 5 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:20,519 Yes. Today we're going to cover three main topics. One of them is you've published with 6 00:00:20,519 --> 00:00:28,320 Professor Rao, a French professor in France in a peer-reviewed sort of magazine. You've 7 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:37,159 published a new study on the results of the IHU, which is the Mediterranean Health... 8 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:42,240 in France, that demonstrate the efficacy of early treatment. And I saw you would be very 9 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:48,439 interesting because you're one of the co-authors, you co-signed this paper to... 10 00:00:48,439 --> 00:00:53,460 the results and basically also tell us what you think is going to be the consequences 11 00:00:53,460 --> 00:00:56,640 because in France there is a lot of noise around it. 12 00:00:56,679 --> 00:01:01,719 We looked at the data very carefully and many congratulations to the French team, 13 00:01:01,719 --> 00:01:07,680 very much heroes for the world. And this is what's called a real world study. That is 14 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:13,760 what happened. So it's different than a randomized trial, a real world study. What... 15 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:23,599 is patients surviving. So in the end, the patients with the best survival win. And what 16 00:01:24,239 --> 00:01:30,640 the French team showed convincingly is those at high risk who received hydroxychloroquine 17 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:37,519 and azithromycin, they survived. They survived better than all the groups. And t... 18 00:01:37,519 --> 00:01:43,119 of different gradations in terms of fully treated, partially treated, not treated at... 19 00:01:43,119 --> 00:01:49,679 Another important observation is that even those very elderly senior patients who wer... 20 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:55,120 early at home and became hospitalized, they were more likely to survive the hospital. 21 00:01:55,840 --> 00:02:02,000 So this is very important that even though it's not a randomized trial, it's a real... 22 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:07,840 confirmation that the combination of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin was no... 23 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:13,280 but it was very effective in keeping people out of the hospital and alive. And even if... 24 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:17,840 was hospitalized, they were more likely to survive. It matches our experience here in 25 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:26,240 the United States. It matches a very large Iranian study that was done now several ye... 26 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:30,800 Same thing, they had treated about 25% of their adults. It was another huge study, 27 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:39,120 over 20,000 individuals. So in aggregate, we now have a compelling case that... 28 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:45,120 really is a choice as the base of standard of care in high-risk COVID-19. 29 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:53,120 Peter, do you think that this study will be actually also looked at in the US? Because in 30 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:58,640 France, it's getting a lot of attention. It's definitely being looked at in the United... 31 00:02:58,640 --> 00:03:04,319 for sure. Remember the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, one of t... 32 00:03:04,319 --> 00:03:11,439 most respected physician organizations in the country, had an early treatment protocol... 33 00:03:11,439 --> 00:03:16,560 in October of 2020, and it featured hydroxychloroquine. They've never wavered... 34 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:22,800 three years later. So we have a situation where a base community standard of care co... 35 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:29,199 included hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin very early in the pandemic. So in France, ... 36 00:03:29,199 --> 00:03:35,120 a lot of controversy in the papers. Of course, you have the mainstream media who ... 37 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:40,000 trying to bring down this study a second time, because the data set has already bee... 38 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:45,039 in June. They actually retracted the study to actually stay cohesive as a group of doctors. 39 00:03:46,159 --> 00:03:51,840 And I think it's very healthy to demonstrate that a group of doctors would 40 00:03:52,319 --> 00:03:59,120 retract this collectively as opposed to breaking them to pieces or separate them. ... 41 00:03:59,920 --> 00:04:06,879 we have now a new set of attacks either on the methodology or on the fact that it... 42 00:04:06,879 --> 00:04:13,599 match the standard of a randomized controlled trial. So based on your views, on your... 43 00:04:13,599 --> 00:04:20,399 in the pyramid of proof, where does it stand versus what I would say on the other side, 44 00:04:20,399 --> 00:04:24,480 they're going to say it's not a randomized controlled trial. The groups are... 45 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:32,879 in terms of age and so on and so forth. Small randomized trials simply weren't informative 46 00:04:32,879 --> 00:04:37,759 throughout the pandemic. We haven't had very many randomized trials that were large, 47 00:04:37,759 --> 00:04:43,040 multi-center, double-blind, and well-conducted for outpatient drugs. One o... 48 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:49,360 colchicine and the CoCorona trial, still the best randomized trial that exists, a posit... 49 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:55,600 And you know what? The recent WHO treatment guidance that's in the British Medical... 50 00:04:55,600 --> 00:05:02,000 recommends against colchicine. So here we have a positive clinical trial, Montreal... 51 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:08,000 thousands of patients, well done, positive results, and the WHO discounts it. So I tell 52 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:14,560 you right now, we are not going to be held captive by organizations, physician groups, 53 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:20,319 and others who are clamoring for randomized trials because even when they're published, 54 00:05:20,319 --> 00:05:26,240 they're simply not respected. And we would need a trial of hydroxychloroquine and... 55 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:33,519 over 20,000 individuals, to try to match the current IHU study. So we don't have a large 56 00:05:33,519 --> 00:05:40,319 randomized trial. The study that we're talking about from Rialton colleagues, it ... 57 00:05:40,319 --> 00:05:45,519 definitive standard that hydroxychloroquine clearly shows a signal of benefit, accepta... 58 00:05:46,639 --> 00:05:55,120 One of the endpoints of this observation study is basically survival. Isn't surviva... 59 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:58,800 something that we should seek for or that we should look for? 60 00:05:59,920 --> 00:06:08,000 You can look at it this way. If patients survive, whatever was done to them, 61 00:06:09,439 --> 00:06:15,840 it doesn't matter. They survived. That's the pathway to survival. So we don't have to make 62 00:06:15,840 --> 00:06:21,360 any specific drug claims. It's a pathway to survival. Those who were selected for 63 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:27,040 and who received hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin undoubtedly survived better 64 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:31,759 than all the other groups. In the end, the real world data suggests that's the only... 65 00:06:31,759 --> 00:06:36,639 matters. When you present this to a lay person and say, which group do you want to... 66 00:06:36,639 --> 00:06:40,400 they're going to look directly at the graphical abstract and say, you know what,... 67 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:48,400 this group. And the mortality rate was, I believe, less than 1%. 0.86%. They're goin... 68 00:06:48,399 --> 00:06:53,919 in the 0.8% group. So real world data are different than randomized trials. They're 69 00:06:53,919 --> 00:06:58,560 different. And they're not trying to make a specific drug treatment claim. They're simply 70 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:05,120 trying to show you which group did the best. Thanks for this on this study. I think it's 71 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:09,919 important to actually get your point of view because it provides an American point of... 72 00:07:09,919 --> 00:07:15,439 Now, the consequences of this is, of course, they should be at one point a general inquiry 73 00:07:15,439 --> 00:07:22,639 because there was a different pass. In fact, the old vaccination pass that were taken b... 74 00:07:22,639 --> 00:07:28,000 governments, the US governments, which seems to be that the health sort of guideline was 75 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:33,360 vaccine, vaccine, vaccine, no alternative. Now, I always like to actually get your po... 76 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:38,800 from where we are in the US. What's the situation on early treatment versus... 77 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:42,879 events? Please give us a little feel for what's happening. 78 00:07:42,879 --> 00:07:49,120 You know, we're largely through the fall outbreak. It was a very small outbreak, mild. 79 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:56,399 It was led by EG5, FL1.5, and then HV as the strains. It was the most diverse 80 00:07:56,399 --> 00:08:01,839 Omicron subvariant outbreak that we've seen. It was very mild. The boosters, which are now 81 00:08:01,839 --> 00:08:07,920 monovalent XBB1.5 boosters, they were irrelevant. They were approved in the Unit... 82 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:12,879 based on a very limited animal study. There were no human studies. There still has bee... 83 00:08:12,879 --> 00:08:20,400 compelling large randomized trials for any of the vaccines from the original group that... 84 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:24,960 demonstrated reductions in hospitalizations and deaths. So again, that standard of the... 85 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:30,560 randomized trial doesn't exist for the vaccines. Sadly, most people in the United... 86 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:35,600 COVID-19. They've also taken the vaccine. And the same is true for those across Europe. ... 87 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:40,560 in France and talked to many. Almost everybody took the vaccine. It didn't work... 88 00:08:40,560 --> 00:08:46,960 anyway. But what we've learned with the vaccines is that they're ineffective, but... 89 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:55,040 associated with record rates of injuries, disabilities, and deaths. What are the... 90 00:08:55,040 --> 00:09:01,680 in the US? Just if we can speak about numbers. In the United States, our CDC... 91 00:09:02,319 --> 00:09:10,000 vaccine event reporting system for Americans and US territories is at over 18,000... 92 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:15,359 have died due to the vaccine. The people who reported to the system believe the vaccine 93 00:09:16,079 --> 00:09:23,439 is implicated in the death. Sadly, 1,150 die on the same day they've taken the shot,... 94 00:09:23,439 --> 00:09:28,799 in the vaccine center. This has never happened for a biological product before.... 95 00:09:28,799 --> 00:09:35,759 pulled off the market within just a few weeks of it being released. We knew that Pfizer had 96 00:09:35,759 --> 00:09:43,519 concealed 1,223 deaths in their 90-day post-marketing data worldwide. They didn't... 97 00:09:43,519 --> 00:09:48,959 public, and the FDA wanted to block that in the courts. Finally, it was released. Now,... 98 00:09:48,959 --> 00:09:56,639 by Michaels and colleagues show that Pfizer knew about 38 additional deaths in their... 99 00:09:56,639 --> 00:10:03,039 from the time of the data cutoff in mid-November to the VIRBAC meeting, the NI... 100 00:10:03,039 --> 00:10:10,000 in December 10th, 2020. Those 38 deaths were largely occurred in Pfizer. At the time of... 101 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:14,960 meeting, there was a three- to four-fold excess risk of cardiovascular death. Learn... 102 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:19,759 we understand the Pfizer vaccine never should have been approved. There should have been a 103 00:10:19,759 --> 00:10:25,519 moratorium. Moderna never should have come out, neither Janssen or AstraZeneca. These... 104 00:10:25,519 --> 00:10:30,159 came out. They were unsafe out of the box, and now the outcomes data are terrible. 105 00:10:31,279 --> 00:10:38,639 Peter, you said 11,000 and 18,000. 11,000, that's 55 planes with 200 people on board 106 00:10:38,639 --> 00:10:46,639 that basically have died. Let me correct that. It's 1,150 Americans have died on th... 107 00:10:46,639 --> 00:10:51,600 they take the shot. They walk into the vaccine center, and they die in the vaccin... 108 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:57,519 a few hours afterwards. It basically means the equivalent of 55 planes with 200 peopl... 109 00:10:57,519 --> 00:11:05,279 visible. In the U.S., if you had 55 planes that came down in one day, wouldn't you ha... 110 00:11:05,279 --> 00:11:13,519 Wouldn't they stop the 737, NEO, whatever? The example is the Ford Pinto and the Mercury 111 00:11:13,519 --> 00:11:20,639 Bobcat car. 1.5 million cars were recalled because there was about 900 deaths. The gas 112 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:27,199 tanks exploded if there was an accident. Sure, 900 deaths, you recall, 1.5 million... 113 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:34,799 but yet we've had 18,000 plus vaccine deaths, 1,150 on the same day, and there's been no... 114 00:11:34,799 --> 00:11:40,000 Well, I'm going to tell you what. The World Council for Health has called for all the... 115 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:46,639 removed from the market in June of 2022, and now the Association of American Physicians... 116 00:11:46,639 --> 00:11:53,840 March of 2023, say, pull all the vaccines off the market. I've made that call in the U.S... 117 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:58,720 and that's in now the National Archives, multiple state senates, and recently,... 118 00:11:59,279 --> 00:12:03,360 2023, in the EU Parliament. Pull all the vaccines off the market. 119 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:08,319 So pull out the vaccines. Of course, it's not reaching the Americans because they're the... 120 00:12:08,319 --> 00:12:13,360 sort of, or the French people, because they're the new vaccine sort of campaigns... 121 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:20,720 in France. So is there still the same censorship in the U.S. about side effects?... 122 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:27,120 saying in the mainstream media? The mainstream media, as well as the major sea... 123 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:32,480 social media, are still running tremendous censorship campaigns. They're still following 124 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:37,600 out with a trusted news initiative. That was the BBC censorship campaign from the very... 125 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:42,800 to filter out any information on vaccine safety. So if you do a Google search right... 126 00:12:42,799 --> 00:12:50,000 type in COVID-19 vaccine side effects, the first thing that comes up is COVID-19... 127 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:57,039 beneficial. Then the next thing comes up, you can tell it's an intentional algorithm to... 128 00:12:57,039 --> 00:13:05,439 vaccine side effects. Now Twitter has started a new form of censorship and basically false 129 00:13:05,439 --> 00:13:12,559 counterclaims. It's called Twitter Community Notes. So Twitter, or now known as X, someone 130 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:19,519 can actually anonymously write a false claim attached to a tweet and mislead the... 131 00:13:19,519 --> 00:13:27,679 So, and all of these community notes and all of the fact-checking operations are always... 132 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:34,159 every single one of them. So when somebody sees that, they need to understand that... 133 00:13:34,159 --> 00:13:40,079 who's advancing this false government narrative because it's imbalanced. The fac... 134 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:45,360 Twitter notes are always promoting the vaccine, never disclosing any problems wit... 135 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:49,840 Well, we've seen the communities, at least in France, they've worked also against the 136 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:55,200 Ministry of Health who actually claimed that the vaccine were safe or didn't have any s... 137 00:13:55,200 --> 00:14:01,759 because we had a lot of people that just reported this as being a false claim. So i... 138 00:14:01,759 --> 00:14:07,120 ways. At least if the community does the work appropriately, then eventually we may end ... 139 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:14,720 having more people that provide true claims rather than false claims. Okay. Well, I... 140 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:23,360 seen that balance emerge right now. And recently, believe it or not, Amazon... 141 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:27,200 my book from the... Yeah, that was the third point I wanted to actually talk about beca... 142 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:34,320 this is amazing. You have a bestseller book about this and then suddenly they sent it.... 143 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:41,520 did they give eventually? They said it had offensive content. Oh, wow. X-rated? Well, I 144 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:47,440 tell you, it has no expletives, it has no nudity and profanity, no hate speech. We... 145 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:52,800 it. We had it legally reviewed. It's been a bestseller for 18 months. Even Amazon,... 146 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:57,680 not, had dropped the price and still gave us the royalties because they were making so... 147 00:14:58,479 --> 00:15:05,039 The book was so popular. So what we think happened is we think an external force... 148 00:15:05,039 --> 00:15:10,079 as an attempt to try to strike against me and pull the book off. Now, there's only been a 149 00:15:10,079 --> 00:15:16,159 handful of books ever not published on Amazon. One of them was Adolf Hitler's Mei... 150 00:15:16,799 --> 00:15:24,000 but Courage to Face COVID-19 from September 29th to October 12th was censored off of... 151 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:29,360 And then Amazon got crushing pressure from social media and from all over. And then they 152 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:35,519 capitulated because we appealed three times. They said they would not tell us where the... 153 00:15:35,519 --> 00:15:40,639 And then after 12 days, Amazon said, well, we made a mistake. It's back up on the platform. 154 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:46,960 We can remember John Lennon who said power to the people. Elon Musk is now sort of givin... 155 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:52,559 the viewers, to the readers, yeah? Yeah. And people put a lot of pressure on Amazon... 156 00:15:52,799 --> 00:15:57,839 this is the beginning of a modern day book burning. Books are not like Twitter accounts 157 00:15:57,839 --> 00:16:04,639 or something else. Books are forms of literary art. And Amazon has some rules. I... 158 00:16:05,519 --> 00:16:11,599 profanity, nudity, hate speech, or what have you. And again, a handful of books, a... 159 00:16:11,599 --> 00:16:19,519 six have ever been banned from Amazon. But our book has none of that. I don't even... 160 00:16:19,519 --> 00:16:25,039 curse words. So this is just a gripping true crime narrative. I think it hit a chord... 161 00:16:25,039 --> 00:16:31,600 we define a biopharmaceutical complex, a worldwide vaccine syndicate. It names the... 162 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:37,519 And I think it hit too close to home. I filed a Freedom of Information Act request to se... 163 00:16:37,519 --> 00:16:42,240 contacted Amazon in order to try to hit me. And I'm going to get to the bottom of it. 164 00:16:43,519 --> 00:16:48,399 Well, Peter, thank you very much for this interview. Maybe one final word for our... 165 00:16:48,399 --> 00:16:56,000 reader viewers from yourself. I encourage everybody in France to seek independent... 166 00:16:56,000 --> 00:17:01,519 Hold strong. Be bold and relentless. I've been to France recently. I know they've sh... 167 00:17:01,519 --> 00:17:08,079 but they've attacked you and others. They're attacking independent media and independent 168 00:17:08,079 --> 00:17:18,319 opinions because people are afraid of the truth. The truth is basically the antidote... 169 00:17:18,319 --> 00:17:22,960 narrative. People want to be healthy. They want to get through these years and move o... 170 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:27,519 life. And they don't want any more misery. So again, seek independent media. You can follow 171 00:17:27,519 --> 00:17:32,639 me at my website, PeterMcCulloughMD.com and then my podcast, America Out Loud Talk Radio, 172 00:17:32,639 --> 00:17:38,639 Courageous Discourse Substack, my book Courage to Face COVID-19. Thank you very... 173 00:17:38,639 --> 00:17:43,200 always a pleasure to have you. We can see that you're in good spirit, in fighting... 174 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:50,319 what we like to actually see and always factual facts first and then analysis. Tha... 175 00:17:50,319 --> 00:17:55,200 much for that. Have a really nice day in the U.S. Thank you very much to all the viewer... 176 00:17:55,200 --> 00:18:01,039 to actually follow us and to support us. It's always a pleasure to have Peter McCullough 177 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:09,279 as well as others who bring the scientific sort of discourse in a positive manner and 178 00:18:09,279 --> 00:18:12,559 loyal manner. Thank you very much. Have a nice day.