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and to get rid of them, you have to use it measures to help mobilize them from the cell.

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hyperbaric oxygen treatment really helps stimulate your natural

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detoxification cycles like the Creb cycle.

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and it helps healing.

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And there's article out of Israel that you point out to them on long COVID,

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where they treated long COVID patients with hyperbaric oxygen 40 hours of treatment on

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their protocol and 80% of people had improvement with it.

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Yeah, and you know that you've been a real leader in the community in hyperbaric

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oxygen treatment, but if you look across the board for wound healing,

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the data, the prospective randomized data on hyperbaric are always positive.

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It always looks good.

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I mean hyperbaric, now the protocol is different.

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And you know them, you know, you, you, you, you have to, you have like,

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you run a whole fleet of these, these units in the technician and looks over them.

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But what a valuable resource.

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I know Dr. Michael Robben in Phoenix is doing the same thing for neurologic syndrome.

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Yes, exactly, because it's the only treatment we have that actually enhances healing processes.

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Like antibiotics, helps your body fight in different ways,

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whatever way they may work for that particular thing or anti-birals help come down the actual

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infected process.

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But then the healing process is what we're trying to deal with.

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And now and how do we get the body to heal fast?

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So, you know, the, the pro athletes learn this a long time ago, right?

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So, they're big consumers of hyperbaric treatment.

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And it does, and as far as I know, it's safe.

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Oh, and well tolerated.

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It is, there's very, very little side effects of it.

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clearing their ears.

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Oh, so their ears get congested because it's like descending an airplane or scuba diving.

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And there's two different types of hyperbaric chambers out there.

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There's soft chambers, which are low pressure chambers, which were developed from high

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mountain to high altitude mountain rescue teams.

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few years now that treat like you were talking about wounds, burns, acute hearing loss,

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acute vision loss where you get rebel artery occlusion,

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jump right into hyperbaric, it refuses to eye, then they can dissolve the clot and regain

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your vision, the same way with hearing.

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Keep covering the knock side poisoners, just some of the 15 indications that medic

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here will pay for it.

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Then there's a whole group of treatment modalities that we use off label for treatment for

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like long COVID, mold, toxicity, traumatic brain injury.

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So any type of damage to the tissues, hyperbaric really helps heal whether it's brain, liver, kidney,

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100% you're breathing 100% oxygen over a period of time, usually to protocol either

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6 to your 90 minutes protocol.

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So Charles and Boyle's law applies, those are no physics.

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the serum as well as the hemoglobin.

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Now that's the atmosphere there.

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So airy impressive.

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Such an impressive therapy.

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moderate medicine is still not fully explored.

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I just have a sense that I mean, I honestly, I wasn't surprised.

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When we were struggling all these different medicines were trying to get long-covid.

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People better as sure enough they as a realy is to a study.

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They demonstrate, I mean, it literally every outcome.

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So patients in the control group just didn't get the atmospheric pressure.

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It might be exactly double blind.

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It was just a very high quality study.

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Now this Swedish have a protocol.

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They've actually published the protocol in this long-covid.

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They're trying to go with much fewer sessions.

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It's really when 40 sessions, I believe.

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So like the bigger the wounds, the longer it's going to take the heal.

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And so people that have come in with mild, long-covid that complain of brain fog, we measure,

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the neuro-covid tests, it's mild.

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Other people that takes more.

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with severe neurological problems where they can't walk.

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I saw a patient today from West Texas.

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He did suffer this retinal artery occlusion blindness.

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It was just in the pandemic.

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He's actually lost sight in his eye.

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He's seen various specialists.

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He's anti-fossilipin antibody positive, which is an autoimmune marker.

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He does have an interesting history.

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You previously had a vertebral dissection while doing wrestling.

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the neck, whatever.

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So he had that as a younger person.

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one eye.

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Why not give a try of hyperbaric?

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Now maybe it's too late.

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Spend a spend, you know, over a year.

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But yeah, it depends on how much of the cells are actually dead versus idle.

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when you have a stroke, there is a central area where the cells are dead.

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It wakes those cells up.

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They start to work.

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The long COVID, a lot of the cells have been damaged from the inflammation.

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And just how much treatment it takes to recover the pins upon what the damage is, the

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house of beer to damage.

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Yeah, I'm hopeful.

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Now, you know, we know it's the retinal nerve because when I shine a light in there, there's

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no construction.

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I mean, he's desperate to get his sight back.

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He's lost sight in one of them.

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But I have people that had strokes, you know, three or four or five years ago, that get

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That's so good.

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They hear.

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So, you know, retinal artery is much rarer.

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So if you get them right away, you get really good response of vision back.

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If it's longer, then you may not.

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I don't want to get people undo hope.

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You know, I'm talking about pressure and hyperbaric stuff, just a quick foot nut.

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One of the things that we talk about in our book, The Courage to Face COVID-19, it is, we

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come to 2020 in which suddenly out of nowhere, our medical establishment knows from the

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outset early treatment does it work without having tested anything.

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It's not going to work.

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They just know, on pre-oray, that no treatment will work.

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And then they also know, if we just wait for the vaccine, that will work.

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Again, operate, yeah.

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But just a quick, you guys will find this fun.

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So when suspension bridges, that technology we know from the Brooklyn Bridge, the Manhattan

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Bridge, when that became a form of engineering in the 19th century, there are all these

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unanswered questions.

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No one knew, like, okay, like, let's give it a try.

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We have a kind of a basic concept of the suspension bridge.

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footings for the Brooklyn Bridge, and the East River, you know, it was discovered at that

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That wind of bends was discovered.

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That's what you put nitrogen under pressure.

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And you get this nitrogen forming in the joints and nerves and causing excruciating

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That was when we discovered the bends.

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And he, he himself ended up getting this condition and spent the rest of his life in wheelchair.

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So you, no matter how smart guys are and Ruebling was one of the smartest and his dad

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was really smart, there's still things we don't know.

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We're always discovering things.

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You don't know.

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And the concern I have is dismissiveness.

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Now early on in the past.