1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:06,680 Nations, democracies don't go to war easily, and they usually debate and argue before they 2 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:07,680 do. 3 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:11,620 Sometimes they have to be bombed into going to war. 4 00:00:11,620 --> 00:00:13,400 In fact, that's what happened in World War II. 5 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:16,320 All of Europe had been conquered. 6 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:24,640 America was actually bombed in Pearl Harbor, and that was a pivotal event that opened the 7 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:25,640 eyes of Americans. 8 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:30,880 And once their eyes were opened, they gathered the power that is available in this great 9 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:35,220 free nation, and the result was preordained. 10 00:00:35,220 --> 00:00:42,320 I think in a similar way, the bombing of September 11th opened the eyes of Americans to see the 11 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:45,140 great conflict and the great danger that faces us. 12 00:00:45,140 --> 00:00:54,740 And once opened, then the overpowering will of the majority of the people of the United 13 00:00:54,740 --> 00:00:55,740 States. 14 00:00:55,740 --> 00:01:01,740 So the steamroller is inexorably moving to decide this battle. 15 00:01:01,740 --> 00:01:02,740 What is happening? 16 00:01:02,740 --> 00:01:03,740 What is happening? 17 00:01:03,740 --> 00:01:04,740 He wants to go. 18 00:01:04,740 --> 00:01:05,740 He wants to go. 19 00:01:05,740 --> 00:01:06,740 He wants to go. 20 00:01:06,740 --> 00:01:07,740 He does not want to go. 21 00:01:07,740 --> 00:01:13,100 Again, the entire time is dark blirla than five times more and runs almost reflectfilm the state republicans show 22 00:01:13,100 --> 00:01:16,940 which is located just below habitat, withoutictions of extinction, 23 00:01:16,940 --> 00:01:22,800 it's not like it's right, but it shows it just every trends and once again it shows up, 24 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:27,980 reports that seem too much around, raininggiggles isn't going for any kind, 25 00:01:27,980 --> 00:01:30,660 I was expecting nothing more than myologne ever in Diktok, 26 00:01:30,660 --> 00:01:33,040 I didn't handle it when I came to the public and routine, 27 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:34,420 when I was outraged who worked, 28 00:01:34,420 --> 00:01:37,420 But then I will understand what you are saying. 29 00:01:37,420 --> 00:01:38,420 What do you mean? 30 00:01:38,420 --> 00:01:40,420 You don't need what you mean. 31 00:01:40,420 --> 00:01:43,420 Especially today with America. I know what America is. 32 00:01:43,420 --> 00:01:47,420 America is not possible to help them, to help them to help them. 33 00:02:00,420 --> 00:02:03,420 If you take out Saddam, Saddam's regime, 34 00:02:03,420 --> 00:02:09,420 I guarantee you that it will have enormous positive reverberations on the region. 35 00:02:09,420 --> 00:02:13,420 This is a dictator who has used these weapons of mass destruction 36 00:02:13,420 --> 00:02:16,420 against his subjects and his neighbors. 37 00:02:16,420 --> 00:02:21,420 And this is a tyrant who is feverishly trying to acquire nuclear weapons. 38 00:02:21,420 --> 00:02:26,420 A year after September 11th, I am certain that this great nation possesses 39 00:02:26,420 --> 00:02:31,420 the three types of courage needed to defeat the monstrous evil that now confronts us. 40 00:02:31,420 --> 00:02:37,420 President Bush has shown courage by boldly charting a course to victory. 41 00:02:37,420 --> 00:02:41,420 The terrorists attacked us and killed 3,000 of our citizens 42 00:02:41,420 --> 00:02:44,420 before we started the freedom agenda in the Middle East. 43 00:02:44,420 --> 00:02:52,420 And most of all, the American people have summoned the necessary courage to fight back and to win. 44 00:02:52,420 --> 00:03:01,420 We owe it to our children's children to free the world from weapons of mass destruction in the hands of those who hate freedom. 45 00:03:01,420 --> 00:03:09,420 Weapons of mass destruction in the hands of leaders such as Saddam Hussein are very dangerous for ourselves, our allies. 46 00:03:09,420 --> 00:03:15,420 Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the attacks of September the 11th. 47 00:03:15,420 --> 00:03:23,420 In my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in. 48 00:03:23,420 --> 00:03:27,420 The main reason we went into Iraq at the time was we thought he had weapons of mass destruction. 49 00:03:27,420 --> 00:03:29,420 It turns out he didn't. 50 00:03:29,420 --> 00:03:30,420 What did Iraq have to do with what? 51 00:03:30,420 --> 00:03:32,420 The impact on the World Trade Center. 52 00:03:32,420 --> 00:03:33,420 Nothing. 53 00:03:33,420 --> 00:03:37,420 When you found out there were no weapons of mass destruction, can you bring me to that moment? 54 00:03:37,420 --> 00:03:41,420 Did someone walk in and say, we've stopped looking, they're not there? 55 00:03:41,420 --> 00:03:42,420 No. 56 00:03:42,420 --> 00:03:45,420 Our enemies are innovative and resourceful. 57 00:03:45,420 --> 00:03:47,420 And so were we. 58 00:03:47,420 --> 00:03:51,420 They never stopped thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people. 59 00:03:51,420 --> 00:03:53,420 And neither do we. 60 00:03:53,420 --> 00:03:58,420 It's not a question of whether Iraq's regime should be taken out, but when should it be taken out? 61 00:03:58,420 --> 00:04:02,420 It's not a question of whether you'd like to see a regime change in Iran, but how to achieve it. 62 00:04:03,420 --> 00:04:19,420 I frankly think that crisis initiation is really tough. 63 00:04:19,420 --> 00:04:28,420 And it's very hard for me to see how the United States president can get us to war with Iran. 64 00:04:28,420 --> 00:04:40,420 Which leads me to conclude that if, in fact, compromise is not coming, that the traditional way of America gets to war is what would be best for U.S. interests. 65 00:04:40,420 --> 00:04:44,420 Some people might think that Mr. Roosevelt wanted to get us into World War II, as David mentioned. 66 00:04:44,420 --> 00:04:46,420 You may recall we had to wait for Pearl Harbor. 67 00:04:46,420 --> 00:04:49,420 Some people might think Mr. Wilson wanted to get us into World War I. 68 00:04:49,420 --> 00:04:52,420 You may recall he had to wait for the Lusitania episode. 69 00:04:52,420 --> 00:04:55,420 Some people might think that Mr. Johnson wanted to send troops to Vietnam. 70 00:04:55,420 --> 00:04:58,420 You may recall we had to wait for the Gulf of Tonkin episode. 71 00:04:58,420 --> 00:05:03,420 We didn't go to war with Spain until the Maine exploded. 72 00:05:03,420 --> 00:05:10,420 And may I point out that Mr. Lincoln did not feel he could call out the Federal Army until Fort Sumter was attacked, 73 00:05:10,420 --> 00:05:17,420 which is why he ordered the commander at Fort Sumter to do exactly that thing which the South Carolinians had said would cause an attack. 74 00:05:17,420 --> 00:05:25,420 So if, in fact, the Iranians aren't going to compromise, it would be best if somebody else started the war. 75 00:05:25,420 --> 00:05:31,420 But I would just like to suggest that one can combine other means of pressure with sanctions. 76 00:05:31,420 --> 00:05:35,420 I mentioned that explosion on August 17th. 77 00:05:35,420 --> 00:05:38,420 We could step up the pressure. 78 00:05:38,420 --> 00:05:41,420 I mean, look, people, Iranian submarines periodically go down. 79 00:05:41,420 --> 00:05:43,420 Someday one of them might not come up. 80 00:05:43,420 --> 00:05:45,420 Who would know why? 81 00:05:45,420 --> 00:05:49,420 We can do a variety of things if we wish to increase the pressure. 82 00:05:49,420 --> 00:05:50,420 I'm not advocating that. 83 00:05:50,420 --> 00:05:56,420 But I'm just suggesting that this is not an either-or proposition. 84 00:05:56,420 --> 00:06:00,420 You know, it's just sanctions has to succeed or other things. 85 00:06:00,420 --> 00:06:07,420 We are in the game of using covert means against the Iranians. 86 00:06:07,420 --> 00:06:09,420 We could get nastier at that. 87 00:06:09,420 --> 00:06:14,420 I once said to the heads of the CIA when I was prime minister 88 00:06:14,420 --> 00:06:20,420 that if you want to advance regime change in Iran you don't have to go through the CIA cloak-and-dagger stuff. 89 00:06:20,420 --> 00:06:26,420 What you want to do is take very large, very strong transponders 90 00:06:26,420 --> 00:06:38,420 and just beam Melrose Place and Beverly Hills 2050 and all that into Tehran and into Iran because that is subversive stuff. 91 00:06:38,420 --> 00:06:40,420 They watch it. The young kids watch it. 92 00:06:40,420 --> 00:06:52,420 Israel acted because it understood, we understood, that a nuclear-armed Saddam would place our very survival at risk. 93 00:06:52,420 --> 00:06:55,420 And today the United States must destroy the same regime. 94 00:06:55,420 --> 00:07:05,420 He will attempt to launch his remaining missiles, his remaining payloads, including biological and chemical payloads, at the Jewish state. 95 00:07:05,420 --> 00:07:13,420 I believe and I know that I speak and reflect the sentiment of not just the majority but the overwhelming majority of Israelis 96 00:07:13,420 --> 00:07:18,420 in supporting a preemptive strike against Saddam's regime. 97 00:07:18,420 --> 00:07:21,420 On some things you just do the right thing. 98 00:07:21,420 --> 00:07:23,420 And I think America is about to do the right thing. 99 00:07:23,420 --> 00:07:26,420 But America and Britain wanted war. 100 00:07:26,420 --> 00:07:28,420 President Bush and Prime Minister Blair did not care. 101 00:07:28,420 --> 00:07:30,420 And they invaded anyway. 102 00:07:30,420 --> 00:07:34,420 Now, as we all know, there were no weapons of mass destruction. 103 00:07:34,420 --> 00:07:38,420 The CIA's final report confirmed that just two years later in 2005. 104 00:07:38,420 --> 00:07:41,420 I just want to ask what your message is to the Iraqis people who are working. 105 00:07:41,420 --> 00:07:42,420 You're free. 106 00:07:42,420 --> 00:07:44,420 And freedom is beautiful. 107 00:07:44,420 --> 00:07:49,420 And, you know, it'll take time to restore chaos and order. 108 00:07:49,420 --> 00:07:51,420 But we're order out of chaos. 109 00:07:51,420 --> 00:07:52,420 But we will. 110 00:07:52,420 --> 00:07:53,420 Yeah, John. 111 00:07:53,420 --> 00:07:55,420 Because in the polls you are now sort of... 112 00:07:55,420 --> 00:07:56,420 I could care less. 113 00:07:57,420 --> 00:07:58,420 You don't care? 114 00:07:58,420 --> 00:07:59,420 No. 115 00:07:59,420 --> 00:08:01,420 Whether people think you're favorable or unfavorable. 116 00:08:01,420 --> 00:08:06,420 The only time I really cared was on election day. 117 00:08:06,420 --> 00:08:08,420 So I wrote a book in 1995. 118 00:08:08,420 --> 00:08:13,420 And I said that if the West doesn't wake up to the suicidal nature of militant Islam, 119 00:08:13,420 --> 00:08:19,420 the next thing you'll see is that the militant Islam is bringing down the World Trade Center. 120 00:08:19,420 --> 00:08:26,420 The Israeli newspaper Ma'ariv has reported Israel's former Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu 121 00:08:26,420 --> 00:08:31,420 has publicly said the September 11th attacks have been good for Israel. 122 00:08:31,420 --> 00:08:33,420 Netanyahu said, quote, 123 00:08:33,420 --> 00:08:35,420 we're benefiting from one thing. 124 00:08:35,420 --> 00:08:40,420 And that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon and the American struggle in Iraq. 125 00:08:40,420 --> 00:08:45,420 The main reason we went into Iraq at the time was we thought he had weapons of mass destruction. 126 00:08:45,420 --> 00:08:46,420 It turns out he didn't. 127 00:08:46,420 --> 00:08:47,420 What did Iraq have to do with what? 128 00:08:47,420 --> 00:08:49,420 The attack on the World Trade Center. 129 00:08:49,420 --> 00:08:50,420 Nothing! 130 00:08:50,420 --> 00:08:55,420 I mean, I spent the last nine months of my military career, the last nine months of nine years, 131 00:08:55,420 --> 00:09:01,420 unexcused absence, UA, the equivalent to AWOL on active duty, because I couldn't do it anymore. 132 00:09:01,420 --> 00:09:05,420 I couldn't put on the uniform and pretend that I believed in these things anymore. 133 00:09:05,420 --> 00:09:08,420 And so I left and I still was given an honorable discharge. 134 00:09:08,420 --> 00:09:14,420 I'm not exactly sure how that worked out, but basically I left because I couldn't do it anymore. 135 00:09:14,420 --> 00:09:19,420 And I knew that what I'd been told was a lie. 136 00:09:19,420 --> 00:09:22,420 I knew that I couldn't trust any order given to me without questioning. 137 00:09:22,420 --> 00:09:24,420 I stopped thinking like a soldier. 138 00:09:24,420 --> 00:09:31,420 And once you stop thinking like a soldier, I think it's your duty to get out, to make sure that you're not put in a situation 139 00:09:31,420 --> 00:09:36,420 where you are questioning every order you're given, no matter how insignificant it is, 140 00:09:36,420 --> 00:09:39,420 because you've been lied to all the way from the top. 141 00:09:39,420 --> 00:09:41,420 From the weapons of mass destruction, we were lied to. 142 00:09:41,420 --> 00:09:43,420 From the ties to Al-Qaeda, we were lied to. 143 00:09:43,420 --> 00:09:46,420 And we were sent to Iraq on false premise. 144 00:09:46,420 --> 00:09:52,420 And how can you ever follow a chain of command that's willing to send you to war based on lies? 145 00:09:52,420 --> 00:10:00,420 Things that our unit did and things that the military did in Iraq, as far as killing civilians. 146 00:10:00,420 --> 00:10:06,420 For example, when IEDs would go off and prove the explosive devices by the side of the road, 147 00:10:06,420 --> 00:10:14,420 the instructions were, or the practice was, to basically shoot up the landscape, anything that moved. 148 00:10:14,420 --> 00:10:17,420 And that kind of thing would happen a lot. 149 00:10:17,420 --> 00:10:21,420 Is that something of you personally, or was it something that was drilled into by the military? 150 00:10:21,420 --> 00:10:24,420 I mean, that's why they call them Haji. 151 00:10:24,420 --> 00:10:27,420 I mean, you've got to desensitize yourself from them. 152 00:10:27,420 --> 00:10:29,420 They're not people. They're animals. 153 00:10:29,420 --> 00:10:33,420 What upset you the most about the things that happened in Iraq? 154 00:10:33,420 --> 00:10:36,420 The total disregard for human life. 155 00:10:36,420 --> 00:10:43,420 I mean, I would have to say it was, I mean, you do what you do because, at the time, you feel like you need to. 156 00:10:43,420 --> 00:10:50,420 But then to watch it get kind of covered up and shoved under a rug and, you know, oh, that didn't happen. 157 00:10:50,420 --> 00:10:55,420 What kind of abuses were going on that you experienced? 158 00:10:55,420 --> 00:10:59,420 Well, I mean, I've seen innocent people being killed. 159 00:10:59,420 --> 00:11:07,420 IEDs go off and you just zap any farmer that's close to you, hit them with the 50 or the Mark 19. 160 00:11:07,420 --> 00:11:11,420 You know, those people are out there trying to make a living. 161 00:11:11,420 --> 00:11:20,420 I don't know, overall, just the total disregard, how they basically jam into your head, this is Haji, this is Haji. 162 00:11:20,420 --> 00:11:27,420 You know, you totally take the human being out of it and make them a, you know, a video game target. 163 00:11:27,420 --> 00:11:29,420 Your superiors were doing that? Your command? 164 00:11:29,420 --> 00:11:30,420 Oh, of course. 165 00:11:30,420 --> 00:11:31,420 Up to what level? 166 00:11:31,420 --> 00:11:33,420 I mean, everybody. 167 00:11:33,420 --> 00:11:38,420 And if you start looking at them as humans and stuff like that, well, God, how are you going to kill them? 168 00:11:41,420 --> 00:11:45,420 I don't feel like I'm defending my country anymore, and that kind of sucks. 169 00:11:45,420 --> 00:11:48,420 And that's the whole purpose when you're a kid to join the Army. 170 00:11:48,420 --> 00:11:53,420 A lot of people feel it's like, you know, defend your country, but we're not defending our country anymore. 171 00:11:53,420 --> 00:11:55,420 I know we haven't defended our country in a while. 172 00:11:55,420 --> 00:12:00,420 I mean, I had a personal experience after one of the talks that I did with a man. 173 00:12:00,420 --> 00:12:03,420 He came up to me after that, and he told me he was an Iraqi man. 174 00:12:03,420 --> 00:12:07,420 And he said that he was from the area around Balad, and I was stationed in Balad. 175 00:12:07,420 --> 00:12:11,420 And I just couldn't help it, just all of a sudden I hugged the guy. 176 00:12:11,420 --> 00:12:17,420 And I said that I was sorry, that I was so sorry, and I ended up crying right there to this perfect stranger. 177 00:12:17,420 --> 00:12:21,420 And he told me it was okay. 178 00:12:21,420 --> 00:12:23,420 You know, he told me it was okay. 179 00:12:23,420 --> 00:12:26,420 And that, that was, that was redemption. 180 00:12:26,420 --> 00:12:29,420 That was redemption. 181 00:12:29,420 --> 00:12:32,420 And it was beautiful. 182 00:12:32,420 --> 00:12:37,420 Those weapons of mass destruction gotta be somewhere. 183 00:12:41,420 --> 00:12:43,420 Nope, no weapons over there. 184 00:12:51,420 --> 00:12:53,420 Maybe under here. 185 00:12:53,420 --> 00:12:57,420 No bodies are... 186 00:12:57,420 --> 00:12:58,420 No, no gossip. 187 00:12:58,420 --> 00:13:00,420 No. 188 00:13:01,420 --> 00:13:03,420 Please, go. 189 00:13:05,420 --> 00:13:10,420 You don't need a request. 190 00:13:10,420 --> 00:13:40,400 Thank you. 191 00:13:40,420 --> 00:14:10,400 Thank you.