1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Do not watch this channel now unless you can handle the truth. 2 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:15,000 Always Pursuing Truth brings you topics of truth you to view, peruse and pursue. 3 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:19,000 Are you ready? 4 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:23,000 Can you handle the truth? 5 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:27,000 And welcome folks, welcome to Call for Investigation. 6 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:36,000 Especially JHS, I'm here, Donald Ron, and JD.Consultants are live on the 22nd of February. 7 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:39,000 2-2-2-2-2, so it's really something here. 8 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:45,000 And we have for you, we definitely have 20-20 vision. 9 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:48,000 We're going to get the straight shot about what's hot. 10 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:51,000 And what's hot right now is that I have special guests here. 11 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:58,000 I have Cody Snodgrass and John Lord, and they want to talk a little bit. 12 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:02,000 Especially John has been eyewitness, and he's a fire investigator down in California. 13 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:06,000 And he's been finding out there's been trouble in paradise. 14 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:13,000 So John, why don't you take over, and Cody, you can make comments or whatever you want to do here. 15 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:17,000 All right, Don, can you hear me okay? 16 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:18,000 Okay, great. 17 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,000 So my name is John Lord. 18 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:23,000 I am a 28-year veteran of the fire service. 19 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:42,000 And a couple years ago, it's got probably pushing three now, became very alarmed about the Tubbs fire and the evidence that I was seeing surrounding the Tubbs fire, which was the one that burned into Santa Rosa and leveled neighborhoods and left the trees alone. 20 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:58,000 So I started looking really closely and digging into the evidence and couldn't find evidence that would support that the forest was the major component that spread the fires from the houses. 21 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:01,000 The houses were completely decimated. 22 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,000 All contents were gone. 23 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:08,000 And the only way you could make out that a house was there is what was left of the stem wall foundation. 24 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:09,000 Yeah. 25 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:12,000 You can see the foundations there. 26 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:16,000 I'm going through a few pictures quickly, then we're going to go to your slide, John. 27 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:17,000 Okay. 28 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:20,000 But I think it's something else to help. 29 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:23,000 The cars, is that a normal fire? 30 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:28,000 Well, we're going to talk about the cars some more in a bit. 31 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:32,000 It looks like land reform to me, how they can wipe out whole villages. 32 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:37,000 And that doesn't look like a normal forest fire, house fires. 33 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:38,000 Yeah. 34 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:41,000 Well, in the Tubbs fire, the trees didn't burn at all. 35 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:43,000 They were still green. 36 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:44,000 Yeah. 37 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:53,000 Maybe some of them did in different areas, but in the neighborhoods, you could see those green trees still standing there. 38 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:54,000 Yeah. 39 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:55,000 How about that? 40 00:02:55,000 --> 00:03:00,000 I call that land reform method and that that's caused by directed energy weapons and smart meters, I believe. 41 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:07,000 So anyway, I guess I'll stop by sharing here and let you show what's hot on your end. 42 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:08,000 Okay. 43 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:09,000 Okay. 44 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:20,000 So subsequent to that, we've had several other fires that kind of piqued my interest and it was going to nose it around for information on those on the internet and whatnot. 45 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:33,000 And then it led me up to the time of, we've experienced a ranch fire and the river fire that burned from west to east toward Lakeport. 46 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:34,000 Very threatening. 47 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:39,000 Lakeport was went under a mandatory evacuation. 48 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:44,000 And I was not able to get back in here for five days. 49 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:49,000 So I'm going to talk about some of the evidence I saw with those two fires. 50 00:03:49,000 --> 00:04:01,000 And I think those were, those were after, after the paradise fire, paradise fire is what we're going to be looking at today. 51 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:08,000 Um, the evidence that I took over 300 pictures up there and we're going to be looking at some of them. 52 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:09,000 Yeah. 53 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:15,000 Now that paradise fire, that paradise is a nice city on a sort of on a hill, right? 54 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:16,000 Yeah. 55 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:17,000 It's up on a bluff. 56 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:18,000 Yeah. 57 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:20,000 And I understand there's something underneath that hill. 58 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,000 It's the sort of yellowish, it's called gold. 59 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:23,000 Isn't that right? 60 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:34,000 Uh, yeah, I think the, I believe the biggest nugget ever discovered on in California was in Magalia, which is part of that area. 61 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:35,000 Yeah. 62 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,000 Northern part of paradise. 63 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:44,000 So, and understand that paradise had, has a population sign on the outskirts of the city. 64 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,000 This is 27,000. 65 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:47,000 Yeah. 66 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:49,000 We're not talking about 27,000 people up there. 67 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:51,000 We're talking about more like 50,000. 68 00:04:51,000 --> 00:05:02,000 If you consider all the surrounding areas and all the development that has taken place in the rural areas all around it, you're probably talking about 50,000 people. 69 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:03,000 Yeah. 70 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:07,000 And I don't believe all those people have been accounted for. 71 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:16,000 Uh, no, I don't think most of them, I bet you about 90% haven't been, it's pretty bad over there. 72 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:17,000 It's pretty bad. 73 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:18,000 Yeah. 74 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:19,000 Okay. 75 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:20,000 Okay. 76 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:21,000 So. 77 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:23,000 So that's a little bit on my background. 78 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:28,000 Um, so you can share, share screens whenever we're ready. 79 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:29,000 All right. 80 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:34,000 There's five hours of videotapes I did with supposedly Shelly. 81 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:44,000 Those can be found on YouTube and where we go over the evidence, like really, really, um, in detail. 82 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:48,000 As you're doing that, let's say hi to Cody. 83 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:53,000 Why don't you give us a little bit of your background, Cody? 84 00:05:53,000 --> 00:06:03,000 Um, well, yeah, I was a black ops contractor for a long time, uh, over 20 years. 85 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:07,000 But, uh, yeah, my, my, my story's been all over the internet. 86 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:10,000 You know, uh, you can see me on John B. 87 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:15,000 Wells show, uh, um, you know, Dave Hodges shows X 22 report. 88 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:16,000 We've done a lot of things. 89 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:17,000 Cody. 90 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:20,000 You can see our website at light on conspiracies.com. 91 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:23,000 Um, you know, all my stuff's there. 92 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:28,000 I just want to focus more on John and I had a lot of questions for him today. 93 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:29,000 Okay. 94 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:30,000 Let's go. 95 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:35,000 Uh, you know, the, you know, what's been going on to cause these fires. 96 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:36,000 Right. 97 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:39,000 The demarcation lines, how perfect they are. 98 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:48,000 The evidence that, that there may have been, uh, new weapons and or drones or aerial platforms, 99 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:55,000 uh, microwave lasers, sodium based lasers, so forth as, as ignition sources for these fires. 100 00:06:55,000 --> 00:07:00,000 And the asymmetric way in which, you know, they burn, they're not normal from what I understand. 101 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:06,000 And then how they also tie into the agenda 21 maps. 102 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:07,000 Right. 103 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:13,000 I've seen some, some stuff, uh, where they overlay right over almost matching perfectly, 104 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,000 you know, what the paradise fire was. 105 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:19,000 So I know that's a lot of questions, but I just wondered, you know, on top of all these pictures 106 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:24,000 and everything that's going on, if, if John could tell us what he saw for evidence. 107 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:31,000 You know, not just all conspiracy theories, but evidence that would point to, uh, you know, 108 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:37,000 non-symmetric causes for these fires, like kids playing with an axe and stuff like that. 109 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:38,000 Right. 110 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:39,000 So John, you're the inspector here. 111 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,000 So lead on and let's go into it. 112 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:45,000 Okay, Don and Cody, we will get to all that. 113 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:46,000 Yeah. 114 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:47,000 All your questions. 115 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:48,000 Okay. 116 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:49,000 So this was off a Skyway Boulevard. 117 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:59,000 And if you look closely at it, I mean, you could see the tree basically fell over. 118 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:04,000 Uh, it burned from the inside out and the unburned wood that you see on the outside of the root 119 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:06,000 system is just fine. 120 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:11,000 Finally, finally the weight of the tree just overcame that and pulled it down. 121 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:17,000 And looking beyond the charred area, you see that there's no burning in any of the upper 122 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:18,000 branches of this tree. 123 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:19,000 Nothing on it. 124 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,000 No fire on the ground either. 125 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:22,000 Just inside the tree, right? 126 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:27,000 Well, no, this, the ground phenomenon, I'm going to, I'm going to talk about a little bit, 127 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:35,000 but I'll introduce it here that it's destruction of what should be, should have been on the ground. 128 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:42,000 And there should have been pockets of unburned materials because any type of a normal fire 129 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:44,000 does not take out everything. 130 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:47,000 It'll leave little pockets here and there where it doesn't burn. 131 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:54,000 It's a sort of, usually it's a irregular burn powder, but you can see some green grass 132 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:55,000 coming up. 133 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:58,000 Cause this is a, this a while after the fire occurred. 134 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:05,000 But what I was able to see is that a hundred percent of the combustible materials on the 135 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:07,000 ground were incinerated. 136 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:08,000 Okay. 137 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:15,000 And what I didn't see was any evidence that the fire was traveling through the upper parts 138 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:16,000 of the screen. 139 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:17,000 Yeah. 140 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:18,000 Huh. 141 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:19,000 Okay. 142 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:20,000 Wow. 143 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:23,000 So that's that one. 144 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:32,000 Matt and I saw examples of this hundreds and hundreds of times up there. 145 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:36,000 Again, burn burning at the base of the tree. 146 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:44,000 So these, these, the trees that we saw up there consistently burned from the inside out 147 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:50,000 from down close to the earth up on the inside of the tree. 148 00:09:50,000 --> 00:10:00,000 So would that be consistent, John, with a non-standard ignition sequence, like from a microwave that 149 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:05,000 would heat the inside of the tree and the water and nutrients in the tree, and then make 150 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,000 the fire come out? 151 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:08,000 Yeah. 152 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:09,000 Uh, yes. 153 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:14,000 Well, to understand that phenomenon better, we, I guess we should talk about chemtrails. 154 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:22,000 Uh, the three, the three primary ingredients of chemtrails are aluminum, barium, and strontium. 155 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:25,000 And nanoparticulate form. 156 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:28,000 And all three of those metals are combustible. 157 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:35,000 So if they're spraying them into the atmosphere and they're falling, eventually falling to the 158 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:47,000 ground and into the folded to the tree, that your highest concentration, um, of aluminum in the tree is going to be in the root systems. 159 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:52,000 And in the lower part of the tree from uptake. 160 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:56,000 So we believe that that was a factor involved with this. 161 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:57,000 Really? 162 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:04,000 So, so chemtrails up in the sky are affecting, uh, the fires, uh, from the ground. 163 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:12,000 Cause chemtrails have got, uh, these, uh, metals that, uh, seem to be, it sounds weird how that 164 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:16,000 could be correlated, uh, but things happen here. 165 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:17,000 That's, go ahead. 166 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:20,000 I'm going to point it, I want to point this out down here. 167 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,000 Cause yeah, this is kind of hollowed out down here. 168 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:23,000 Yeah. 169 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:28,000 There would be those in my profession that would argue that, that, that this was a rotten spot in the tree. 170 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:30,000 And that's how the fire got in. 171 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:31,000 Right. 172 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:37,000 Um, I just want to point that out, but I'm going to show you other examples where that was not present. 173 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:38,000 Okay. 174 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:49,000 So what you're saying, John, is that the, um, geoengineering or the chemtrail spraying that we all see, like that picture behind on right now, we've seen the patterns. 175 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:57,000 They've been doing the weather modification, everything else, but the, the, what do they call them? Suffocants or desiccants that are falling down. 176 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:00,000 The trees are up taking them in their roots. 177 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:01,000 Yes. 178 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:02,000 Trees. 179 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:03,000 Yeah. 180 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:05,000 Trees and whatever else has grown in the forest. 181 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:08,000 And it changes the way they naturally burn. 182 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:18,000 Well, if you, if you take a burrito and you shove a couple of nails into it and put it in your microwave for a couple of minutes, you're going to see the light works in it. 183 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:25,000 Oh, because, because the metal is going to heat up a lot faster than the rest of the burrito. 184 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:26,000 Hmm. 185 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:27,000 Okay. 186 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:28,000 Yeah. 187 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:29,000 Sure. 188 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:32,000 If you try any experiments like that, be real careful. 189 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:33,000 Uh huh. 190 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:34,000 Yeah. 191 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:37,000 By the way, microwaves do cook meat, don't they? 192 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:50,000 And I think there's other microwaves that are being used in other applications that, like cell phones and other things that can start cooking your meat if you get them too close and cause cancer and other problems. 193 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:53,000 Uh, there's all kinds of stuff like that. 194 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:58,000 I, I only use my, uh, my cell phone on speaker phone. 195 00:12:58,000 --> 00:12:59,000 Yeah. 196 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:01,000 I don't put it up against my head. 197 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:03,000 Oh, come on now. 198 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:04,000 I can't hear you. 199 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:05,000 Okay. 200 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:06,000 Yeah. 201 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,000 So that is, uh, it is something. 202 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:15,000 And so I know somebody who has a laptop, she has it on her lap a lot and she all of a sudden has got cancer of her lap. 203 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:18,000 Uh, that's, uh, sort of correlated. 204 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:19,000 Yeah. 205 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:20,000 That's not good at all. 206 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:32,000 Um, especially in, you know, pre-adolescent and adolescent children cause they're, uh, they're basically, uh, microwaving their, uh, reproductive organs. 207 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:33,000 Oh, no. 208 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:35,000 Well, um, the kids are just growing. 209 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:36,000 The cells are very susceptible. 210 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:39,000 They're growing actively and expanding. 211 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:44,000 And I think they're more susceptible to interference by wavelengths like microwaves. 212 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:53,000 And I guess these microwave lengths are about similar to what our body, which is, uh, has a nervous system that has, uh, energy in it. 213 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:58,000 And those wavelengths are almost about the same frequency. 214 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:01,000 So they're interfering quite readily with the growth pattern. 215 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:11,000 And, and I don't know that I see on the TV a lot, uh, ads for children that are in hospitals, kids with cancers, kids who never had cancers when I was a kid. 216 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:12,000 Right. 217 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:18,000 Well, the other thing is, is that we're breathing in these nanoparticulate metals. 218 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:25,000 So, um, basically I, I believe part of the agenda is they're trying to turn us into antennas. 219 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:26,000 Yeah. 220 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,000 For nefarious purposes. 221 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:32,000 So, um, can you see the picture of the pasture? 222 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:33,000 Oh, sure. 223 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,000 There's a couple of interesting things about this. 224 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:38,000 Number one, it says organic pasture. 225 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:39,000 Okay. 226 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,000 See the fence post. 227 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:45,000 Uh, fence posts there that was in contact with wire. 228 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:52,000 So consistently we're seeing that fence posts that were in contact with wire or other steel fasteners. 229 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:56,000 You could see where the heaviest concentration of heat was is right here at the top. 230 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:57,000 Hmm. 231 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:58,000 Hmm. 232 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:09,000 And the other thing is that this was on Skyway Boulevard, um, going from Chico, um, up to, up toward paradise. 233 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:21,000 And remember, I was talking about the amount of incineration on the ground, the ground fuels, everything organic that was on the ground. 234 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:28,000 Whenever, whenever what energy went through here, did this, um, was completely consumed. 235 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:33,000 And we're talking about hundreds and hundreds of acres that look like this. 236 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:34,000 Hmm. 237 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:35,000 Hmm. 238 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:37,000 And this is a, a relatively flat area. 239 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:43,000 So, and you'll also notice the trees in the background are, are undamaged. 240 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:44,000 Yeah. 241 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:45,000 Wow. 242 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:49,000 How long after the fire, John, was this picture taken roughly? 243 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:50,000 This was in December. 244 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,000 So it was about a month afterwards. 245 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:53,000 Okay. 246 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:58,000 So these at, these photos here were taken on December 2nd, the ones we're looking at right now. 247 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:03,000 And that fence post, was it wood or was it some kind of plastic or metal? 248 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:04,000 No, it was wood. 249 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:05,000 Wood, wood. 250 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:06,000 The wire. 251 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:07,000 Okay. 252 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:08,000 Okay. 253 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:17,000 And then I was showing, I was showing these to Dawn earlier and we're going to get into talking more about these. 254 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:20,000 Notice anything about, uh, guardrails, Cody? 255 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:25,000 The guardrails look very polished and very clean. 256 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:27,000 Like they're new to me. 257 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:30,000 Um, like they're, like they're brand new. 258 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:31,000 Like they were just put up. 259 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:38,000 This is a, this is, uh, on December 2nd, it was less than a month after the fire. 260 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:41,000 I forget the exact date of the fire. 261 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:42,000 So. 262 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:45,000 So these were put up after the fire? 263 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:46,000 Yes. 264 00:16:46,000 --> 00:17:03,000 So these would very likely have been, um, wood posts and the fuels below them would have been very light and not been able to destroy the posts like they did. 265 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:18,000 So, and we'll talk about more of that as I go along, but huge, huge areas, miles and miles of brand new, um, guardrails were installed very quickly after the fire. 266 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:22,000 And I believe that was a destruction of evidence. 267 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:23,000 Yeah. 268 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:35,000 So you think if, if a microwave device of some kind was used to ignite the fires, then the metal on these guardrails would absorb it, of course, a lot more and really heat up, then burn the wood posts under it. 269 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:39,000 So to cover up that, they just went ahead and put in new guardrails. 270 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:40,000 Exactly. 271 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:45,000 They removed all the old ones that put in brand new guardrails with steel posts now. 272 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:46,000 Okay. 273 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:47,000 Okay. 274 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:54,000 And as we move along in the discussion, I'll show you some more pictures of the evidence of the guardrails. 275 00:17:54,000 --> 00:18:13,000 But the guardrail destruction, um, I've seen, uh, with the Tubbs fire, uh, the two fires I mentioned up here, the river and the ranch fire, um, the car fire, which was the Redding fire, um, up here in paradise. 276 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:18,000 And also in some of the fires around the Sierra foothill. 277 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:32,000 So the reason I point that out is because the conclusion that I'm drawing is that whatever they're using, whatever technologies or combination of technologies to cause these fires is consistent. 278 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:43,000 And that's true with the guardrail destruction, the way the trees are burning, um, the cars, the destruction of the cars. 279 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:44,000 Yeah. 280 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:47,000 So this is a detailed shot. 281 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:52,000 Uh, uh, a rather large stuff. 282 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:59,000 I don't know, probably, uh, probably 40, 40 inches in diameter. 283 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:05,000 And this was chainsaw cut after the fire and how they knew that this thing burned on the inside. 284 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:07,000 I haven't a clue. 285 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:12,000 Um, but you could see it's burned out like a, like you would make a drum. 286 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:24,000 And right here at the top of this stump is only maybe, uh, 12 or 14 inches above the parking lot surface. 287 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:25,000 Okay. 288 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:28,000 I'll show you another, another picture of it. 289 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:47,000 Uh, this one, I was fortunate cause I managed to catch a video, uh, where they had, I think it was this one Dawn, where they had fallen the tree after the fire and the tree was still laying in this direction. 290 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:48,000 Mm hmm. 291 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,000 Kind of parallel with that bike rack there. 292 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:51,000 Mm hmm. 293 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:59,000 But, uh, Matt, Matt and I saw very little scorching on the outside of the trunk, certainly did not see any heavy charring. 294 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:07,000 All the heavy charring was on the inside and everything around this tree stump is asphalt. 295 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:18,000 Oh, so if there was, if there was, uh, organic debris on the ground, like things that would call fall out from the tree. 296 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:23,000 If there was any of that, it would have been too light to actually cause this damage. 297 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:43,000 And the other thing is, is there was no, none of those breaches that I showed, you know, on the, on that one tree we looked at, you know, no cavities where light fuels on the ground would have caused that intensive heat to develop inside the, inside the trunk. 298 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:44,000 Mm hmm. 299 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:45,000 Wow. 300 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:53,000 What that looks like, John, is, uh, if you look around the edge where the trees cut, you see the white thickness of the trunk. 301 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:58,000 It doesn't look like there's any burning that would come from the outside through that. 302 00:20:58,000 --> 00:20:59,000 Right. 303 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:00,000 Right. 304 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,000 To cause that to, to catch on fire. 305 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:09,000 It looks like it was, the ignition began inside and burned there and it didn't come through. 306 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:12,000 There's, there's no, I don't see any evidence on this picture of that. 307 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:18,000 So it looks like something that was heated from the inside out, kind of like a microwave oven does a hot dog. 308 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:19,000 Yeah. 309 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:20,000 Right. 310 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,000 And that's, that's consistent. 311 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,000 That's consistent with our findings. 312 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:28,000 So how the fire get started on the inside without any evidence on the outside. 313 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:35,000 Uh, what could it happen to that bike rack or something have had, uh, not heated up or cause the roots to go over. 314 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:38,000 And I guess the tree itself is gone. 315 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:43,000 So you couldn't see, uh, inside the length of the tree to see how high it went. 316 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:44,000 Yeah. 317 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:45,000 Go ahead. 318 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,000 I'm not going to show all these pictures. 319 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:54,000 Um, but again, you can see how the base of the tree was, was scorched. 320 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:55,000 It was scorched. 321 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:56,000 Yeah. 322 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,000 And this was also a very consistent finding. 323 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:02,000 And there's several of these trees in this parking lot. 324 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:08,000 I'm, I'm only going to show the one picture, but they all look like this where they're scorched to the base. 325 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:09,000 Good so far. 326 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:10,000 Yeah. 327 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,000 I want to keep moving here. 328 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:13,000 Yeah, sure. 329 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:14,000 Yeah. 330 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:15,000 Okay. 331 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:18,000 Um, we got about 35 minutes left. 332 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,000 I want to show this one to you guys. 333 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:23,000 It's a steel. 334 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:27,000 With institutional, institutional doors, they are fire rated. 335 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:39,000 And, um, it, it's a twofold purpose is to keep the fire from spreading outward and, and to keep fire from the outside from spreading inward. 336 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:52,000 So with these institutional doors, especially the big entry doors, um, they have depending on the, on the rating of the door system, they have one or more glass panels. 337 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:58,000 And that's so, because they're always going to be outward swinging from the inside with panic hardware. 338 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:07,000 So, uh, wherever there's a window, you guys will recall that there's wired glass laminate inside the glass. 339 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:08,000 Oh yeah. 340 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:09,000 Yeah. 341 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,000 The fine silver wire. 342 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:12,000 Yeah. 343 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:26,000 What that is for that, what that is for is that to spread the heat distribution throughout the glass panel evenly to keep the glass panel from failing. 344 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:27,000 Huh. 345 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:28,000 Okay. 346 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:29,000 And we're getting broken through. 347 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,000 We can't break through that glass either. 348 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:32,000 Right. 349 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,000 And can you see my cursor when I move? 350 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:35,000 Oh yes. 351 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:36,000 Oh yeah. 352 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:37,000 Okay. 353 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:38,000 Okay. 354 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:39,000 So see this right here? 355 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:40,000 Yeah. 356 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,000 This is before the door collapsed and fell on the ground. 357 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:47,000 This glass was some of the, the most heavily melted that I've seen. 358 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:48,000 That's glass? 359 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,000 That's glass. 360 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:57,000 And I was able to, to find some evidence of melted glass down in the debris pile. 361 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:58,000 I didn't dig around too much. 362 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:02,000 I didn't want to disrupt anything because I was not up there in an official capacity. 363 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:06,000 And there's an official federal building or a community building? 364 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,000 It's an elementary school. 365 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,000 Oh, wow. 366 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:11,000 Wow. 367 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:17,000 And just to show you how, how many of these things they have up there. 368 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:23,000 Let me see if I can find it real quick. 369 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:24,000 Okay. 370 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,000 I think it's this one. 371 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:27,000 Okay. 372 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:28,000 Wow. 373 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:29,000 Holy smoke. 374 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:33,000 This was like a sub basement area. 375 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:34,000 Oh. 376 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:39,000 Oh, I don't know how that did that. 377 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:40,000 That was kind of nice though. 378 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:41,000 Let me look. 379 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:42,000 Okay. 380 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,000 You're going the wrong way. 381 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,000 How about there? 382 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:53,000 Yeah. 383 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,000 The trees are standing. 384 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:56,000 Yeah. 385 00:24:56,000 --> 00:25:05,000 You see there, there appears to be some charring on this one, but these, these door assemblies 386 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,000 all look the same. 387 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:08,000 Some of them were still standing. 388 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:16,000 That one I just showed you had fallen over and they would have been the same form of construction. 389 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:22,000 Well, it's a steel fire rated door with different sized windows in it. 390 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:26,000 Usually a classroom door would have a smaller window. 391 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,000 It wouldn't be all those window panels in that door. 392 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:30,000 Yeah. 393 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:31,000 It's kind of interesting. 394 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:32,000 Yeah. 395 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:33,000 The destruction was amazing. 396 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:34,000 Oh boy. 397 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:35,000 There's that one. 398 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:36,000 This is an elementary school. 399 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:37,000 Yeah. 400 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:38,000 There's part of the panic hardware. 401 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:39,000 What's left of it. 402 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:40,000 This guy right here. 403 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:41,000 That's your panic hardware. 404 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:42,000 Oh, your panic button. 405 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:43,000 In case of fire push here. 406 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,000 It's a bar that goes across the door system that when you press on the bar. 407 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:47,000 The rain. 408 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:48,000 No, it releases. 409 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:52,000 No, it releases the, the latch on the door so that you could get out. 410 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:59,000 And the reason that is, is so if there's a bad situation that happens, the door has to open, 411 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:03,000 swing outward so that people can escape. 412 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:10,000 And what they found is some catastrophic fires across the nation is that people would pile up against, 413 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,000 up against the door, trying to get out. 414 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,000 And if it was an inward swinging door, it'd end up with a hole. 415 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:16,000 Yeah. 416 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:17,000 It's a hole. 417 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:18,000 It's a hole. 418 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:19,000 It's a hole. 419 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:20,000 Yeah. 420 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:21,000 Yeah. 421 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:22,000 Yeah. 422 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:23,000 Yeah. 423 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:24,000 Yeah. 424 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:25,000 Yeah. 425 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:26,000 Yeah. 426 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:27,000 Yeah. 427 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:28,000 Yeah. 428 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:29,000 Yeah. 429 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:30,000 Yeah. 430 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:31,000 Yeah. 431 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:32,000 Yeah. 432 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:33,000 Yeah. 433 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:34,000 And the, it was, it was just, you know, with some of those kinds of, you know, 434 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:39,000 so many bodies against the door trying to get out that, um, it was impossible for him. 435 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:40,000 to escape. 436 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,000 Mm-hmm . 437 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:49,000 So the glass that was in this in these doors, John, they had the little X lines of 438 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,000 uh, the wire in them for like safety glass. 439 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:53,000 Mm-hmm . 440 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:54,000 Hey, firm enough. 441 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:55,000 Yeah. 442 00:26:55,000 --> 00:27:01,000 And if it, if it was a microwave ignition, you know, or a beam that was from the air and swept 443 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:08,840 cross something like this, then we would expect the wires to absorb more of the energy than the 444 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:14,320 glass. And then that could be one of the reasons it melted, or it could be the existing fire on 445 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:21,280 the outside that got hot enough to melt the glass. I mean, which one do you think forensically is 446 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:30,660 likely with the evidence that you see here? The former. Okay. That the wire in the safety glass 447 00:27:30,660 --> 00:27:38,940 was a contributor to the, to the glass failing and melting. Okay. Holy smokes. There's lots of 448 00:27:38,940 --> 00:27:46,060 steel. There's a lot of steel used in the school system, piping and whatnot. So all of that would 449 00:27:46,060 --> 00:27:54,180 have been a contributor. But what would cause the steel, everything around there, those pipings melted 450 00:27:54,180 --> 00:27:59,780 and things, how come the piping was so bent? Our safety was also bent. I mean, probably because it 451 00:27:59,780 --> 00:28:08,060 got hot enough, uh, to where, as things started to collapse inward on the building. Yeah. Okay. It 452 00:28:08,060 --> 00:28:15,140 was, uh, preheated enough to, uh, bend it. Well, yeah. If you think it'd be, uh, be still straight. 453 00:28:15,140 --> 00:28:24,140 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Secondary structure collapse would account for some of those bins. Yeah. This is an, 454 00:28:24,140 --> 00:28:32,300 another set of doors just to show you what less damaged ones look like, but, uh, you know, most of 455 00:28:32,300 --> 00:28:40,780 the glass panels are gone and all these, you can see the panic hardware on the inside. So just some 456 00:28:40,780 --> 00:28:51,660 different stuff in there. A lot of destruction. Yeah. Wow. Oh, there's another, there's another 457 00:28:51,660 --> 00:28:58,620 assembly, which would allow light to come into the classroom. And this is an example of a smaller 458 00:28:58,620 --> 00:29:05,340 window. So that when you open the door, you could see that there's some, uh, another person on the other 459 00:29:05,340 --> 00:29:14,220 side of it. Right. And not, you know, fling the door open to them and knock them down. Yeah. Yeah. 460 00:29:14,220 --> 00:29:19,500 Yeah. Look at that pipe. Uh, well, I checked these two and that's some heavy steel. 461 00:29:20,300 --> 00:29:26,940 That's like, I know, at least schedule 40. Here's an interesting one. This was some sort of a sign 462 00:29:26,940 --> 00:29:34,780 and you could see the nails of fasteners there. Okay. And the combustible materials from, 463 00:29:35,420 --> 00:29:45,580 from the wood sign are completely gone. So just lots of little indicators like that. 464 00:29:47,660 --> 00:29:53,500 I'm just scrolling through. Yeah. Show us something that, that's, that's what's that now. Okay. This is a, 465 00:29:53,500 --> 00:30:01,100 a metal cabinet that receives the drop, the power drop to the school. So this is probably the primary 466 00:30:01,100 --> 00:30:06,620 place that lands first. So it's probably, I was telling Don, it's probably at least two phase, 467 00:30:06,620 --> 00:30:12,860 which would be 440, if not three or four phase, depending on the power demands of the school. 468 00:30:13,980 --> 00:30:18,860 So the, the power drop comes in from underground. It goes up into the steel cabinet. 469 00:30:18,860 --> 00:30:28,940 Um, the steel cabinet was surrounded by pavement basically. Okay. This is what got our attention 470 00:30:28,940 --> 00:30:35,260 on it. And we were up here with, uh, Lou and Deborah Tavares and, and Lou opened the door 471 00:30:36,300 --> 00:30:43,340 and no evidence of scorching on the outside of this cabinet. Okay. Right. 472 00:30:43,340 --> 00:30:47,580 No sitting, no nothing. When Lou opened the door, here's what we saw. 473 00:30:49,020 --> 00:30:56,140 The concentration of fire was behind the meter here. And, you know, with pretty heavy charring. 474 00:30:56,140 --> 00:31:04,780 And then this is melted debris on the lower door from, from, uh, whatever melted out from inside there. 475 00:31:06,380 --> 00:31:08,300 Yeah. The closeup of it. 476 00:31:08,300 --> 00:31:17,180 No. Can, can I ask a question, John? Yeah. Yeah. Those are the breakers. So the, the, the main power 477 00:31:17,180 --> 00:31:24,380 to this school came in from PG and E somewhere on the outside, it was underground. Then it came up 478 00:31:24,380 --> 00:31:33,180 through these breakers. Right. Before it hit that meter. And these are the location of the breakers as 479 00:31:33,180 --> 00:31:42,540 you found them when you looked in there. Does this show that the meter was not melted by a power surge? 480 00:31:42,540 --> 00:31:49,100 Because if it was these, these breakers would be, would be tripped off if it was a power surge from 481 00:31:49,100 --> 00:31:57,340 the company, which would mean if it was not that, that means the meter had to melt from some other power source. 482 00:31:57,900 --> 00:32:03,260 That's what we believe. Yeah. So the power, the power in this case, and if I've got my, 483 00:32:03,980 --> 00:32:09,980 if I've got my head in the wrong place where the sun doesn't shine, you correct me. The power would 484 00:32:09,980 --> 00:32:19,500 come in underground, go through the meter first, and then down through these breakers to the district, 485 00:32:19,500 --> 00:32:22,540 the rest of the electrical distribution system of the school. 486 00:32:22,540 --> 00:32:25,820 I agree, agreement on that? Yes. 487 00:32:26,780 --> 00:32:30,780 So what we believe happened up here is there was some kind of a surge 488 00:32:31,900 --> 00:32:35,020 from the underground drop, which caused the meter to melt. 489 00:32:35,020 --> 00:32:46,860 And I'll show you one more. There's your smart, there's your smart meter laying inside the box, 490 00:32:48,060 --> 00:32:54,380 inside the door, the exterior door that got us in there. And it's a smart meter. 491 00:32:54,380 --> 00:32:55,900 Doesn't look too smart to me. 492 00:32:55,900 --> 00:32:57,580 Yeah, it's pretty melted. 493 00:32:57,580 --> 00:33:06,620 And, and, and so the smart meters are for measuring electricity, right? And they can handle electricity, 494 00:33:06,620 --> 00:33:12,220 right? So how come they melted from electricity and supercharging thing? I mean, it looks like they 495 00:33:12,220 --> 00:33:18,380 were falsely, or they falsely had a pulse in them when they were made that they had a weakness, 496 00:33:18,380 --> 00:33:26,140 and they couldn't handle the power surges? Well, a power surge that was that strong, strong enough to 497 00:33:26,940 --> 00:33:32,780 discolor the paint on the outside of that box, the white box, and also to melt that meter, 498 00:33:32,780 --> 00:33:37,820 those breakers would have tripped almost instantaneously, because those are magnetic-based 499 00:33:37,820 --> 00:33:43,660 meters. And when you have a high level of current, the magnetic fields cause the breakers to trip to 500 00:33:43,660 --> 00:33:50,140 protect the meters. Right. Yeah, about that. But when they get something like a directed energy 501 00:33:50,140 --> 00:33:54,940 weapon, how many, how much power can you get from a directed energy weapon? They can, 502 00:33:56,220 --> 00:34:01,180 it's the new modern way to attack people now, use directed energy weapons. You can send a beam out, 503 00:34:01,180 --> 00:34:05,340 it only costs you about a dollar, whereas if you drop a bomb on it, it costs you a hundred, 504 00:34:05,340 --> 00:34:12,060 hundred thousand dollars. So this is a new, new weapon to toll the herd or do everything they do to 505 00:34:12,060 --> 00:34:17,340 or land before them, whatever. Go ahead. Yeah, new concept, huh? Yeah. 506 00:34:18,780 --> 00:34:27,740 Raytheon Corporation makes those lasers in the microwave frequency, and they can be put on aerial 507 00:34:27,740 --> 00:34:36,620 platforms like drones or 747, 777 planes. All you have to have is a power source, a big generator or 508 00:34:36,620 --> 00:34:42,300 something to send the power through the machine. And then, you know, to answer your question, Don, 509 00:34:42,300 --> 00:34:49,980 the amount of energy necessary to melt a meter like that with just straight microwaves could be, 510 00:34:50,780 --> 00:34:58,060 you know, it's within the mechanical feasibility to have it on a plane or a drone. You can have 511 00:34:58,060 --> 00:35:05,260 lithium ion battery packs and amplify them and then send the energy down if that is indeed what happened 512 00:35:05,260 --> 00:35:11,740 here. But it's very strange that meter would melt like that. Yeah. I think it would be capable of 513 00:35:11,740 --> 00:35:17,660 handling almost anything. And they safety tested it on things when they do that. And then they put 514 00:35:17,660 --> 00:35:22,060 out these millions of meters in these communities, you know, when you see the whole streets burned, 515 00:35:22,780 --> 00:35:28,620 you know, and no trees. It's a house that's burned to white ash, completely incinerated, toilets and 516 00:35:29,420 --> 00:35:34,300 water heaters. Yeah, there's also some cars. I don't know if John has any pictures. 517 00:35:34,300 --> 00:35:39,580 I've seen some pictures with them. I do. The motors melted. It's unbelievable. 518 00:35:39,580 --> 00:35:45,900 Yeah. Yeah. We'll get to the cars here in a minute. Okay. Okay. So let's talk about steel. 519 00:35:47,100 --> 00:35:53,820 This was a portable building, you know, portable classroom, which ends up becoming, you know, 520 00:35:53,820 --> 00:36:05,180 stationary for 50 years, seems like. So in order to get these portable buildings in, they build them in 521 00:36:05,180 --> 00:36:15,420 two halves. And the structure, the main load carrying structure of the two halves of the building is steel. 522 00:36:15,420 --> 00:36:20,860 So that's what you're seeing here in this picture. That's, that's a picture of the roof system 523 00:36:21,740 --> 00:36:29,180 that collapsed down and all the combustible materials from the building, you know, the finished building 524 00:36:29,180 --> 00:36:37,100 were all gone. And what caught my eye on this is the distortion of the steel because the steel usually 525 00:36:37,100 --> 00:36:46,380 doesn't, a structure fire does not produce enough heat to cause this kind of distortion. Yeah. It's excessive 526 00:36:46,380 --> 00:36:53,740 heat. All right. But look behind you. You see green, green leaves back there. Right? Yeah. There's a bunch 527 00:36:53,740 --> 00:37:00,380 of different stuff in here, but you could see that the combustible materials were basically reduced to ash. 528 00:37:01,180 --> 00:37:08,940 And these are all the fasteners where, you know, you would, you would have had like, um, say like, 529 00:37:08,940 --> 00:37:17,500 Flooring. Um, yeah. Or, uh, finished roof panels that went on there, you know, different things like that. 530 00:37:17,500 --> 00:37:22,460 Yeah. There's a, there's a combination of two. So you could see the roof system up top 531 00:37:23,500 --> 00:37:28,380 and it just looks like, it looks like a gigantic boat frame, doesn't it? Down low. 532 00:37:28,380 --> 00:37:35,260 Yeah. Now as a fire inspector, in normal house fires, you see the, uh, metal so twisted and turned 533 00:37:35,260 --> 00:37:41,260 and things like this. No, no, no. The fires don't get that hot. That's what I'm saying. Uh, uh, 534 00:37:41,260 --> 00:37:47,420 uh, uh, normal, normally up high in a structure fire. I mean, I, I've never crawled up there and 535 00:37:47,420 --> 00:37:56,300 measured it, but the, the heat layers. That's why when firefighters go into, uh, a structure fire, 536 00:37:56,300 --> 00:38:03,420 they stay low to the floor because usually the temperature down low is about 300 degrees, 537 00:38:03,420 --> 00:38:10,140 three, 400 degrees. And then as you get higher up into the medium layers, it's, you know, five, 538 00:38:10,140 --> 00:38:18,220 600 degrees and usually up high, it's over a thousand degrees. But, but, um, basically, uh, 539 00:38:18,220 --> 00:38:28,940 a thousand, 11, 1200 degrees somewhere around in there. So, and again, the scorching at the base of 540 00:38:28,940 --> 00:38:38,140 the trees, but yeah, just some amazing pictures from the school. This was another phenomena. 541 00:38:38,140 --> 00:38:45,660 Uh, is that a plastic fence? It's a PVC fence, which are highly combustible. 542 00:38:46,620 --> 00:38:53,740 And the only spot where we could see that, uh, there was a problem is consistent with where the, 543 00:38:53,740 --> 00:39:00,300 where there were metal fasteners. Hmm. So it wasn't completely melted. 544 00:39:01,020 --> 00:39:07,820 And if there was heavy fire in this area to cause charring on this tree like this, 545 00:39:08,540 --> 00:39:15,420 this should, should have burnt and would have burnt in a normal fire. Then you can see these 546 00:39:15,420 --> 00:39:17,580 lighter shrubs here. Yeah. 547 00:39:17,580 --> 00:39:21,020 They're kind of denuded, but they didn't, they didn't burn. Oh. 548 00:39:21,980 --> 00:39:24,300 Wow. Just some crazy stuff. Yeah. 549 00:39:26,140 --> 00:39:33,660 This was, this was a, this was a, uh, residence, um, up, up in the paradise area. 550 00:39:34,540 --> 00:39:41,900 The difference between the Tubbs fire and the paradise fire is that you could still see the 551 00:39:41,900 --> 00:39:47,420 remnants of things that were made out of steel. So they would have, they would have heated up, 552 00:39:48,300 --> 00:39:55,180 but they were still present in the fire debris. Now that was not the case in the Tubbs fire. 553 00:39:56,540 --> 00:39:59,100 Everything was gone. There was nothing left. 554 00:39:59,100 --> 00:40:01,340 Look directly behind you. You see a tree unburnt. 555 00:40:01,980 --> 00:40:09,020 Right. Yeah. And then other, other little things, this vehicle back here. 556 00:40:09,020 --> 00:40:10,700 Right. Look at that vehicle. 557 00:40:10,700 --> 00:40:17,660 But interesting that there was this level of destruction here, yet this lightweight carport 558 00:40:17,660 --> 00:40:22,860 in the background is still fine. Yeah. That's plastic roof, right? Pepper glass or something? 559 00:40:22,860 --> 00:40:29,820 No, it's a lightweight steel. Oh, steel. Okay. But look at that, before that burned out truck there, 560 00:40:29,820 --> 00:40:37,580 the tree looks fine. Uh, pretty much. But on either side of that tree is destruction total. 561 00:40:38,540 --> 00:40:42,860 I'm, I'm going to talk about this now just in case we get lost or, or I don't remember. 562 00:40:42,860 --> 00:40:44,700 Yeah, we got 17 minutes. 563 00:40:44,860 --> 00:40:50,620 When we saw these steel structures that were intact with evidence of heavy fire around them. 564 00:40:51,740 --> 00:41:00,620 My conclusion on that is that this steel was grounded. It was grounded to the earth and that's 565 00:41:00,620 --> 00:41:05,420 what saved it. You know, I'll show you some other examples of that as we go along. 566 00:41:05,420 --> 00:41:14,860 Okay. The car destruction. This was a small used car lot off of Skyway Boulevard in downtown paradise. 567 00:41:15,500 --> 00:41:21,580 And you can see the level of destruction on the cars. Now, the cars that were up here 568 00:41:22,220 --> 00:41:32,140 for sale were fine. Yeah. Okay. There was no combustible, no evidence of any combustible materials 569 00:41:32,940 --> 00:41:39,820 around where these cars burned. Right. And you look, the door handles, which would normally be plastic, 570 00:41:40,540 --> 00:41:49,420 are all gone. Tail lights, bumpers, which are now plastic, all gone. Wheels melted. We'll talk a 571 00:41:49,420 --> 00:41:55,340 little bit more about that. And then again, this steel structure in the background, untouched. 572 00:41:55,340 --> 00:42:01,740 Yeah. The wind is completely blown out. What kind of heat would do that? How much heat do you have 573 00:42:01,740 --> 00:42:04,700 to have to cause that kind of, that's not a normal car fire? 574 00:42:04,700 --> 00:42:11,180 Uh, no. No, we don't normally see the level of destruction that we saw in these cars 575 00:42:11,740 --> 00:42:18,380 on a car fire. You know, a lot of times, you know, we pull up and we put them out. But, uh, Matt and I 576 00:42:18,380 --> 00:42:22,860 have both been on car fires where they were never reported. They happened in the middle of the night 577 00:42:22,860 --> 00:42:28,860 and nobody ever reported them. And you're not going to see that level of destruction. The other thing 578 00:42:28,860 --> 00:42:37,980 is, is that this is down low. Remember I talked about that 300 degree, that 300 degree range. 579 00:42:37,980 --> 00:42:46,700 Mm hmm. Okay. Down low where the firefighters are crawling. Right. Right. Okay. Uh, there's not enough 580 00:42:47,340 --> 00:42:56,940 highly combustible materials around the wheels on cars, uh, to, to cause them to burn and fail like they 581 00:42:56,940 --> 00:43:03,180 did. So what, uh, what kind of radial tires are they putting on cars nowadays? 582 00:43:03,180 --> 00:43:10,940 Okay. Steel belted radials. Oh yeah. That's right. Steel belted. That's right. Okay. Oh, 583 00:43:10,940 --> 00:43:22,300 oh wow. So we believe that, that the steel was a factor in causing the tires to catch fire. And I've 584 00:43:22,300 --> 00:43:27,660 shown you just some good ones there. So. Okay. So if you look closely at this, you could see 585 00:43:27,660 --> 00:43:35,900 this, this, this is a steel drum on a brake system and another, this is probably your outer wheel cover, 586 00:43:36,620 --> 00:43:44,380 but the, the, uh, wheel is completely gone. It's melted. And you could see this wire 587 00:43:45,740 --> 00:43:51,660 that's around laying around out here. Yeah. Yeah. That's what's left of your steel belted radial. 588 00:43:51,660 --> 00:44:00,700 Huh? Oh my God. Okay. So these would have been, uh, magnesium rims, but, um, the, 589 00:44:03,500 --> 00:44:10,940 the, uh, you know, they're basically, uh, aluminum alloys, the aluminum out alloy wheels completely 590 00:44:11,500 --> 00:44:18,380 turned to liquid and flowed over the pavement. Then again, no, no combustible materials left 591 00:44:19,020 --> 00:44:26,620 anywhere on the car completely gone inside and out. What does aluminum melt at what temperature? 592 00:44:31,500 --> 00:44:37,980 Uh, well, let's see. Alloy wheels are range. Aluminum is, it's got a fairly low melting point, 593 00:44:37,980 --> 00:44:44,300 but I believe alloy wheels is about 1200 degrees. Wow. But remember what I just said about 300. 594 00:44:45,020 --> 00:44:52,220 They're down low. Yeah. They're down low. There was no fuels around them. Okay. No fuels. 595 00:44:53,740 --> 00:44:59,580 So. Yeah. And usually on car fires, you don't see complete destruction 596 00:45:00,380 --> 00:45:03,900 under the hood and inside the car and outside the car. 597 00:45:04,700 --> 00:45:08,380 That's your car. But it was a common finding up there. 598 00:45:08,380 --> 00:45:13,980 Uh, that was what's left of the car seats. All the combustible materials are gone. 599 00:45:15,740 --> 00:45:21,740 So, so the idea is that, uh, the wires that are inside a steel belted radial tire 600 00:45:22,700 --> 00:45:29,580 absorbed energy at a different rate than the rubber and then caused the rubber to ignite, 601 00:45:29,580 --> 00:45:37,740 which, which leads us to these pictures. How else could you explain why the tires would melt, 602 00:45:37,740 --> 00:45:43,580 why the aluminum would melt and, and all the things that we're seeing here, if it wasn't 603 00:45:43,580 --> 00:45:50,300 some form of directed microwave energy? Uh, how, how could this happen? 604 00:45:50,300 --> 00:45:51,340 It couldn't. Could it? 605 00:45:53,020 --> 00:45:53,500 Uh, no. 606 00:45:55,180 --> 00:45:57,340 So if you look at, if you look at it, 607 00:45:57,340 --> 00:46:00,940 so we got the regular energy coming right in here and that's weapons. 608 00:46:00,940 --> 00:46:05,420 And this is, this is a cause. This is not just happening in nature. 609 00:46:06,380 --> 00:46:11,820 Right. So if you look at, this is an under the hood shot. 610 00:46:12,860 --> 00:46:18,620 Uh, basically all the rubber grommets from where, you know, the, where the wiring junctions 611 00:46:18,620 --> 00:46:22,940 go through the firewall, everything combustible is gone. 612 00:46:26,620 --> 00:46:31,660 You know, I want to point out also, this is consistent with the type of stuff that, uh, 613 00:46:31,660 --> 00:46:40,700 Dr. Greg Ford saw in Iraq. Um, he saw a Soviet T-74 tank. That was Saddam's predominant, uh, 614 00:46:40,700 --> 00:46:49,340 at T-54s and T-74s, but he saw one that had been melted. They also saw a Russian MiG, uh, a jet 615 00:46:50,060 --> 00:46:55,740 that had been parked in a city and it was melted too. And he said it was one of the strangest things 616 00:46:55,740 --> 00:46:58,940 you'd ever saw. And it's very similar to this kind of stuff right here. 617 00:46:58,940 --> 00:47:00,380 Oh, wow. 618 00:47:02,140 --> 00:47:05,740 What you're looking at in this picture is what's left of the windshield. 619 00:47:06,700 --> 00:47:09,900 So this, this was also a consistent finding. 620 00:47:09,900 --> 00:47:11,820 Oh, that's a windshield? 621 00:47:11,820 --> 00:47:21,660 Yeah. The windshield, the, the adhesive or the, uh, the, the rubber channel around the windshield, 622 00:47:21,660 --> 00:47:26,940 which nowadays they don't use those anymore. They use an adhesive, uh, failed. 623 00:47:26,940 --> 00:47:35,020 And then the glass fell in over the top of the dashboard. That was, it looked like in most cases 624 00:47:35,020 --> 00:47:42,140 already gone. All the combustible materials were gone. And this is glass in a pre-melting stage. 625 00:47:42,140 --> 00:47:42,860 Huh? 626 00:47:42,860 --> 00:47:49,340 Very close to melting temperature. And the melting temperature of glass is quite high. 627 00:47:49,340 --> 00:47:52,380 Yeah, that's right. Yeah. 628 00:47:53,660 --> 00:48:00,540 So again, these were all consistent findings with all the different vehicles we looked at up there. 629 00:48:02,940 --> 00:48:03,180 Yeah. 630 00:48:03,180 --> 00:48:03,740 Look at here. 631 00:48:03,740 --> 00:48:04,060 Yeah. 632 00:48:04,060 --> 00:48:04,300 Yeah. 633 00:48:04,300 --> 00:48:04,860 Yeah. 634 00:48:04,860 --> 00:48:07,180 That's just the name of the dealership. 635 00:48:07,180 --> 00:48:11,100 I think that's it right there. 636 00:48:13,740 --> 00:48:14,380 Something like that. 637 00:48:15,980 --> 00:48:16,620 Holy smokes. 638 00:48:17,500 --> 00:48:18,140 That's a business. 639 00:48:18,140 --> 00:48:19,980 That's a commercial building. 640 00:48:19,980 --> 00:48:20,300 Yeah. 641 00:48:23,260 --> 00:48:25,100 I'm going to move through these kind of fast. 642 00:48:25,100 --> 00:48:27,820 This is, this was a really interesting phenomenon to me. 643 00:48:27,820 --> 00:48:29,340 Nine minutes. 644 00:48:29,340 --> 00:48:35,980 This, okay. This is called a Butler building and a Butler building is basically a lightweight steel 645 00:48:35,980 --> 00:48:44,540 frame. So you have steel columns and then an open web steel truss that goes across and down to 646 00:48:44,540 --> 00:48:49,820 the columns on the other side. And they put all those in, then they come around, they attach these big 647 00:48:49,820 --> 00:48:55,820 panels, these big steel panels over the outside of it and across the roof. Pretty straightforward 648 00:48:55,820 --> 00:49:01,980 construction. But what was interesting to me is that I looked in the windows on this building. I 649 00:49:01,980 --> 00:49:12,540 saw no evidence of anything burning on the inside of the building. But if the open web trusses were 650 00:49:12,540 --> 00:49:21,100 heated up, like we've been talking about, they would initially expand. And then if they got hot enough, 651 00:49:21,100 --> 00:49:25,020 they would start to sag to the inside of the building and pull these walls in like that. 652 00:49:25,820 --> 00:49:27,900 Mm-hmm. Wow. 653 00:49:27,900 --> 00:49:29,420 Here's another underground drop. 654 00:49:29,420 --> 00:49:31,980 Looks, looks fine to me, yeah. 655 00:49:31,980 --> 00:49:32,700 Yeah. 656 00:49:32,700 --> 00:49:36,060 A little fire around it. 657 00:49:36,060 --> 00:49:41,900 Crazy stuff. These, I don't want to take the time to explain those, but just some different 658 00:49:41,900 --> 00:49:46,300 evidence I was shooting. I'm just going through them this way because it's easier for me. 659 00:49:46,300 --> 00:49:47,260 Yeah, sure. 660 00:49:47,260 --> 00:49:56,540 This was like an exterior building on a residential property that burned. And so it was probably framed 661 00:49:56,540 --> 00:50:01,900 with wood because you couldn't, I couldn't identify any of the supporting materials for these steel 662 00:50:01,900 --> 00:50:04,860 panels and the steel roof. Does that make sense? 663 00:50:04,860 --> 00:50:05,420 Yeah. 664 00:50:05,420 --> 00:50:14,220 Okay. And here's your charring again at the bases of the trees. See that little band there and over here? 665 00:50:14,220 --> 00:50:17,420 A very minor, way at the bottom. I'm not going up. 666 00:50:17,420 --> 00:50:22,780 Really consistent stuff. And then over here you got this freestanding play set. 667 00:50:22,780 --> 00:50:23,900 Plastic. 668 00:50:23,900 --> 00:50:28,780 Plastic and there's nothing wrong with it. That's what's left of the house. 669 00:50:28,780 --> 00:50:30,300 Mm-hmm. 670 00:50:30,300 --> 00:50:35,660 Another play, play system for the kids. Nothing wrong with it. 671 00:50:37,180 --> 00:50:37,420 Yeah. 672 00:50:38,940 --> 00:50:41,020 Okay. Remember I talked about the debris piles? 673 00:50:41,020 --> 00:50:41,740 Yeah. 674 00:50:41,740 --> 00:50:48,860 There's your wood stove. You know, you have burned out shells from your appliances that are in the house. 675 00:50:49,580 --> 00:50:53,900 These were steel stools. All this stuff would have got superheated. 676 00:50:53,900 --> 00:51:02,780 Yeah. And another consistent finding in this is that the buildings, the dwellings, 677 00:51:02,780 --> 00:51:07,580 and the commercial buildings that we looked at, all of them collapsed inward. 678 00:51:09,180 --> 00:51:10,140 Yeah. How about that? 679 00:51:13,180 --> 00:51:16,780 Is that normal type fire behavior for residential buildings? 680 00:51:16,780 --> 00:51:18,620 The answer to that is it depends. 681 00:51:19,340 --> 00:51:19,660 Okay. 682 00:51:22,860 --> 00:51:28,620 I have not been on that many structure fires where there's collapse. 683 00:51:30,460 --> 00:51:34,700 And again, sometimes we interfere with the fire. Okay. I get that. 684 00:51:34,700 --> 00:51:35,900 Yeah. 685 00:51:35,900 --> 00:51:43,820 But, um, usually there's something left. Even if it's a wood frame building, there's something 686 00:51:43,820 --> 00:51:50,620 left. There's walls that are left. There's, how do you explain not being able to find the toilets? 687 00:51:51,260 --> 00:51:54,620 Yeah. Yeah. That's it. Toilets don't burn and the water heater. 688 00:51:55,580 --> 00:51:59,740 You know, you know what the melting, the melting temperature on porcelain is? 689 00:52:01,020 --> 00:52:01,980 Way high. 690 00:52:01,980 --> 00:52:03,820 It's like 3,500 degrees. 691 00:52:03,820 --> 00:52:04,140 Yeah. 692 00:52:05,660 --> 00:52:05,900 Yeah. 693 00:52:06,380 --> 00:52:14,380 So, you know, no bathtubs, no granite countertops, which some of these look like they're pretty nice 694 00:52:14,380 --> 00:52:20,220 homes. They would've had upgrades like that. Here's another one where there was probably a hollow area 695 00:52:20,220 --> 00:52:25,740 here. You could see that there's heavy charring on the inside of the tree. It was probably blowing 696 00:52:25,740 --> 00:52:34,380 out here like a Roman candle. And some in my profession would argue that, oh, well, the fire 697 00:52:34,380 --> 00:52:43,260 very clearly got in, in through here, but I'm not quite buying that one. There's a hot water heater. 698 00:52:43,260 --> 00:52:49,100 This one I thought was pretty interesting. These guys all got fried. 699 00:52:49,100 --> 00:52:55,100 Oh, there's trees back there. Yeah. Some kind of small trees for, um, for shielding. 700 00:52:55,100 --> 00:53:04,140 Yeah. Border. There's your, uh, plastic PVC, uh, lattice panels. Yeah. 701 00:53:06,220 --> 00:53:10,940 It's an aluminum boat on a trailer. Again, total destruction. Yeah. 702 00:53:11,100 --> 00:53:12,540 Yeah. Uh, the tire. 703 00:53:22,940 --> 00:53:28,700 There's your, uh, steel belted, what's left of your steel belted radials draped around the rim. 704 00:53:29,580 --> 00:53:29,900 Yeah. 705 00:53:30,300 --> 00:53:36,700 Yes. Matt and I could not find any combustible materials to support this kind of destruction 706 00:53:36,700 --> 00:53:41,900 to this trailer. Hmm. Oh, this is amazing, John. 707 00:53:45,580 --> 00:53:53,020 I think that is a garage door there. Let's see. Let's get into this one for a minute. Okay. 708 00:53:53,020 --> 00:53:57,340 These were taken in a mobile home park. And again, if it's a double wide mobile home, 709 00:53:57,340 --> 00:54:04,860 it comes in two pieces. Um, they set it on leveling blocks. They get, they get it all leveled out. 710 00:54:04,860 --> 00:54:11,580 And then basically they remove the wheels and, uh, join the two halves of the, of the structure 711 00:54:11,580 --> 00:54:21,820 together. So again, heavy distortion of heat, low down. Okay. And normally when you have a structure 712 00:54:21,820 --> 00:54:31,020 fire and it burns from the inside, it won't burn through the plywood sub floor. It won't do that. 713 00:54:31,020 --> 00:54:37,260 And it wouldn't have, it wouldn't be able to develop enough heat to develop this kind of 714 00:54:37,260 --> 00:54:44,060 heat stressors on the steel. Yeah. Melt the steel down below. Well, it definitely softens it up. 715 00:54:45,020 --> 00:54:49,500 Plastic garbage can. This, this one took some radiant heat from something else that was on fire. 716 00:54:50,540 --> 00:54:56,460 There's your PVC panels again. And the only places we could see where they got into problems is where 717 00:54:56,460 --> 00:55:05,820 they were attached to things with steel fasteners. Okay. Here's another one. The car looks just like 718 00:55:05,820 --> 00:55:15,820 all the other ones that we've been looking at. Right. Yeah. And the structure over the top of the car, 719 00:55:15,820 --> 00:55:26,620 I would have expected to see more damage to it. This is another, this, this would have been the, 720 00:55:27,180 --> 00:55:32,460 the floor area for the double wide. So all very, very consistent findings. 721 00:55:32,460 --> 00:55:41,100 Mm hmm. Holy smoke. Isn't it amazing? Absolutely. Totally. 722 00:55:41,100 --> 00:55:47,660 Car somebody left behind. But after a while you start, you start to see what we saw, 723 00:55:47,660 --> 00:55:54,220 what Matt and I saw is the consistency in the findings. Yeah. Aluminum. Yep. 724 00:55:54,220 --> 00:56:07,340 So we got about a minute, almost two minutes. Okay. Interior. One of the cars is every combustible 725 00:56:07,340 --> 00:56:13,420 material is gone. All the plastic panels. Yeah. That's it. That's the interior of one of them. 726 00:56:14,380 --> 00:56:23,260 Front seat right here, front seat, and then the rear, the rear seats. Okay. So, uh, in summary, 727 00:56:23,260 --> 00:56:30,780 what do you think the cause of all these is? What caused all this kind of wild, uh, unexpected damage? 728 00:56:33,340 --> 00:56:39,980 Uh, well, why would the Cody comment on that bit? Um, I believe it was some type of microwave energy, 729 00:56:41,020 --> 00:56:48,700 uh, where the frequency could be adjusted and that what happened is it heated up the steel 730 00:56:48,700 --> 00:56:57,980 oil and any other metal that it could find first and then cause the combustible materials that were 731 00:56:57,980 --> 00:57:04,620 attached to that steel to burn. Mm hmm. Cody, you got something to add to that? Yeah. And the trees, 732 00:57:04,620 --> 00:57:10,540 you know, when you're looking at those trees burning from the inside out, uh, that would definitely 733 00:57:10,540 --> 00:57:16,300 indicate some type of heating, just like you put a hot dog in a microwave. The, the nutrients and the 734 00:57:16,300 --> 00:57:22,940 water content is in the inside of the tree. And that would have a higher coefficient of absorption, 735 00:57:22,940 --> 00:57:29,500 you know, uh, of microwave energy. And so the trees burning from the inside out like that 736 00:57:30,140 --> 00:57:37,100 is to me, a real sign. Plus those radial tires, uh, with, there's no other way to, uh, ground fire to 737 00:57:37,100 --> 00:57:44,060 move on the ground, to catch those things on fire. They were heated from the inside, the steel, 738 00:57:44,060 --> 00:57:51,340 and then ignited the rubber. And, and so there is evidence of this, and it's consistent across the 739 00:57:51,340 --> 00:57:58,620 Tubbs fire, the Paradise fire. So what we're looking at is geoengineering or spraying operations before 740 00:57:59,260 --> 00:58:05,580 they see the area with, uh, desiccants. And then at some later point, 741 00:58:06,540 --> 00:58:10,940 uh, an ignition source like a microwave causes what the visual 742 00:58:14,060 --> 00:58:19,900 evidence of what we're seeing. Now, does Cal fire ever find out the exact cause of the Tubbs fire 743 00:58:19,900 --> 00:58:26,060 or the Paradise fire or any of these fires? I heard there was PG and E power lines that were blown down 744 00:58:26,060 --> 00:58:32,060 and started a grass fire and so forth. But does that account for the visual evidence of what we're seeing? 745 00:58:32,060 --> 00:58:37,900 No. Yes. The visual evidence that we found up there was a contradiction to the narrative. 746 00:58:37,900 --> 00:58:44,140 Yes. Right. How about that? How about that? Yeah. So who's, who's guilty here? Who, 747 00:58:45,260 --> 00:58:52,300 is God, did he cause it or somebody else cause it? Well, there's, there's another, uh, company. 748 00:58:52,300 --> 00:58:58,540 There's a satellite company that takes solar radiation and converts it into microwave energy 749 00:58:58,540 --> 00:59:04,380 and then beams it back down to the earth. And I can't remember the name of that, that company. But, 750 00:59:04,380 --> 00:59:12,460 um, it, what if this was a satellite, uh, based microwave device or, uh, a lower flying aerial 751 00:59:12,460 --> 00:59:19,820 platform, like a military plane or a drone? Directed energy weapon is my, well, they have so many 752 00:59:19,820 --> 00:59:24,940 different ways of deploying it. Now they can mount it on, on aircraft, all kinds of different aircraft 753 00:59:24,940 --> 00:59:34,140 and drones, a lot of different ways to deploy it. Satellites. Okay. Martians. Do you suspect, 754 00:59:34,140 --> 00:59:41,500 John, that the same thing has happened in the, uh, in the, uh, Australian fires? 755 00:59:42,300 --> 00:59:48,220 Uh, well, let me put it to you this way. Uh, of the fires that I've looked at, looked at that aren't 756 00:59:48,220 --> 00:59:55,820 close enough for me to get to, such as, um, um, I'll give you some examples, uh, Canada, um, 757 00:59:56,940 --> 01:00:04,860 Greece, Portugal, other areas in Europe, which I can't think of all the specifics offhand, 758 01:00:05,820 --> 01:00:14,300 Sweden, uh, Switzerland, um, Australia, New Zealand. I'm seeing the same types of patterns, 759 01:00:15,100 --> 01:00:19,020 burn patterns on things that we just went over. The cars look the same. 760 01:00:20,540 --> 01:00:27,020 Okay. So I'm seeing not enough fuel to, to explain the level of destruction, um, 761 01:00:27,660 --> 01:00:32,940 from exterior things. And then in cases where there maybe are some adjacent trees and whatnot, 762 01:00:32,940 --> 01:00:40,300 they're not burned, things like that. Yeah. No. Okay. So, uh, essentially we're a little bit 763 01:00:40,300 --> 01:00:44,780 of overtime now. If you want to keep on going, I can put it out to the internet people. If you want 764 01:00:44,780 --> 01:00:53,420 to have a little more discussion, that's fine. Or they want to salute me. Well, um, I got to take 765 01:00:53,420 --> 01:01:00,380 a break real quick. Okay. Well, I think let's just call it then for right now or maybe have a second 766 01:01:00,380 --> 01:01:06,140 hour in another week or two. Yeah. I think it'd be good to have a second hour because I wanted, 767 01:01:06,140 --> 01:01:10,380 I wanted Cody to chime in a little bit more about the technology. You know, 768 01:01:10,380 --> 01:01:18,380 he knows more about it than I do. Well, yeah. Okay. I'm very fine. So I guess we'll just, uh, 769 01:01:18,380 --> 01:01:24,060 say adios and thank you so much for watching folks. Now, this has been, um, uh, uh, yeah, 770 01:01:24,060 --> 01:01:31,980 this has been a call for investigation and I'm Donald Tiguan, your host, Cody Snodgrass of Oklahoma 771 01:01:31,980 --> 01:01:38,700 bombing fame and, and John Lord, who's a expert fire investigator, who's really examined things 772 01:01:38,700 --> 01:01:48,220 and put it all together for us. So thanks so much. Adios. Bye-bye. Okay. Yeah. So there we go. 773 01:01:48,220 --> 01:01:50,220 All right.