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The following is an interview with the President of Russia Vladimir Putin shot February 6, 2024

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about 7pm in the building behind us, which is of course the Cremlin.

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The interview, as you will see if you watch it, is primarily about the Warren progress

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the war on Ukraine, how it started, what's happening, and most pressantly how it might end.

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One note before you watch.

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At the beginning of the interview, we asked the most obvious question, which is why did you do this?

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Did you feel a threat, an imminent physical threat, and that's your justification?

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And the answer we got shocked us.

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Putin went on for a very long time, probably half an hour, about the history of Russia

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going back to the 8th century.

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And honestly, we thought this was a filibustering technique and founded anoint and interrupted

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them several times.

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And he responded, he was annoyed by the interruption.

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But we concluded in the end for what it's worth, that it was not a filibustering technique.

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There was no time limit on the interview.

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We ended it after more than two hours.

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Instead, what you're about to see seemed to us sincere, whether you agree with it or not.

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Vladimir Putin believes that Russia has a historic claim to parts of Western Ukraine.

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So our opinion would be to view it in that light as it's the sheer expression of what he thinks.

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And with that, here it is.

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Mr. President, thank you.

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February 22nd, 2022, you addressed your country in a nation-wide address when the conflict

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in Ukraine started.

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And you said that you were acting because you had come to the conclusion that the United

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States through NATO might initiate a, quote, surprise attack on our country.

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And to American years that sounds paranoid, tell us why you believe the United States might

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strike Russia out of the blue.

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How did you conclude that?

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The deal on the fact that America's a…

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It's not that America, until United States, was going to launch a surprise strike on Russia.

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I didn't say that.

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Are we having a talk show or a serious conversation?

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Here's the quote.

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Thank you.

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It's a formidable series.

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Yeah, it's a serious argument.

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No, Pascal, who was bazavae abroad, because your basic education is in history as far as I understand.

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Yes.

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Thank you, Pascal, it's a big deal.

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So if you don't mind, I will say only 30 seconds or one minute to give you a short reference to

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history for giving you a little historical background.

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Please.

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Let's look where our relationship with Ukraine started.

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Where did Ukraine come from?

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Uh, Russia's case is a disaster.

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The Russian state started gathering itself as a centralized statehood.

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And it is considered to be the year of the establishment of the Russian state in 1862.

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But when the townspeople of Novo road invited a Varangian prince, Rurik from Scandinavia,

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Serenian.

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In 1862, Russia celebrated the 1000 anniversary of its statehood.

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And in Novo, there is a memorial dedicated to the 1000 anniversary of the country.

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In 1882, Rurik's successor, Prince Oleg, who was actually playing the role of Regent at Rurik's young son,

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because Rurik had died by that time, came to Kiev.

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He asked the two brothers who apparently had one's been members of Rurik's squad.

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So Russia began to develop with two centers of power, Kiev and Novgorod.

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The next very significant date in the history of Russia was 988.

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This was the baptism of Russia.

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When Prince Vladimir, the great-grandson of Rurik baptized Russia and adopted Orthodoxy or Eastern Christianity.

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From this time, the centralized Russian state began to strengthen.

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Why?

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Because of the single territory integrated economic ties.

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One on the same language and after the baptism of Russia,

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the same faith and rule of the Prince.

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The centralized Russian state began to take shape.

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Back in the middle ages, Prince Yaroslav II introduced the quarter of succession to a throne.

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But after he passed away, he became complicated for various reasons.

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The throne was passed not directly from father to eldest son,

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but from the prince who had passed away to his brother,

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who shamed to his sons in different lines.

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All this led to defragmentation and the end of Rus as a single state.

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There was nothing special about it.

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The same was happening then in Europe.

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Still a look at the witchy.

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But defragmented Russian state became an easy prey to the empire created earlier baking his hand.

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His successors, namely Batuhan, came to Rus,

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plunged and ruined nearly all the cities.

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The southern part, including Kiev, by the way, and some other cities,

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simply lost independence.

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Well, northern cities preserved some of their sovereignty.

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They had to pay tribute to the court, but they managed to preserve some part of their sovereignty.

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And then a unified Russian state began to take shape with its center in Moscow.

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The southern part of Russian lands, including Kiev,

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began to gradually gravitate towards another magnet, the center that was emerging in Europe.

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This was the grand-dachi of Lithuania.

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It was even called the Lithuanian Russian Duchy,

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because Russians were a significant part of this population.

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They spoke the old Russian language and were Orthodox.

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But then there was a unification, the union of the grand-dachi of Lithuania and the kingdom of Poland.

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A few years later, another union was signed,

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but this time already in the religious sphere.

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Some of the Orthodox priests became supported in the pope.

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Thus, these lands became part of the Polish-Lithuanian state.

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During decades, the polls were engaged in colonization of this part of the population.

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They introduced the language there,

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tried to entrench the idea that this population was not exactly Russians,

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that because they lived on the French, they were Ukrainians.

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Originally the word Ukrainian meant that the person was living on the outskirts of the state,

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along the franges, or was engaged in a border patrol service.

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It didn't mean any particular ethnic group.

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So the polls were trying to, in every possible way, to colonize this part of the Russian lands,

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and actually treated it rather harshly not to say, truly.

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All that led to the fact that this part of the Russian lands began to struggle for their rights.

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They wrote letters to Warsaw demanding that their rights be reserved,

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and people be commissioned here, including Tukiyev.

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I think a person can tell us what period I'm losing track of where in history we are.

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The Polish oppression of Ukraine.

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It was in the 13th century.

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Now I will tell you what happened later.

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And give the dates so that there is no confusion.

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And in 1654, even a bit earlier, the people who were in control of the authority over that part of the Russian lands,

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addressed Warsaw, I repeat, demanding that they send them to rulers of Russian origin and Orthodox faith.

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But Warsaw did not answer them, and in fact rejected their demands, they turned to Moscow,

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so that Moscow took them away.

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So that you don't think that I'm inventing things.

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I'll give you this document.

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Well, it doesn't sound like you're inventing it.

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I'm not sure why it's relevant to what happens.

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But still, these are documents from the archives, copies.

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Here are the letters from Bogdan from Litsky, the man who then controlled the power in this part of the Russian lands.

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That is now called Ukraine.

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He wrote to Warsaw the man being that they rights be upheld, and after being refused, he began to write letters to Moscow,

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asking to take them under the strong hand of the Moscow Tsar.

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There are copies of these documents. I will leave them for your good memory.

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There is a translation in Russian, you can translate it into English later.

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Russia would not agree to admit them straight away, assuming that the war with Poland would start.

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Nevertheless, in 1654 the Tundrachen assembly of top clergy and lendoners headed by the Tsar,

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which was the representative body of the power of the old Russian state.

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This side to include a part of the old Russian lands into Moscow Kingdom,

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has expected the war with Poland again.

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It lasted 13 years and then in 1654,

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he chose what was concluded.

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In 32 years later, I think a peace treaty with Poland, which they hold,

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it's a no peace, was signed.

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These lands, the whole left bank of Nipper, including Kiev, went to Russia.

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The whole right bank of Nipper remained in Poland.

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Under the rule of Catherine of the Great, Russia reclaimed all of its historical lands.

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Including in the south and west.

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This all lasted until the revolution.

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Before World War I, Austrian General of Staff relied on the ideas of Ukrainianization

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and started actively promoting the ideas of Ukraine and the Ukrainianization.

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Their motive was obvious.

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Just before World War I, they wanted to weaken the potential enemy and secure themselves

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favorable conditions in the border area.

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So the idea which had emerged in Poland that people residing in that territory were allegedly

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not really Russians, but rather belong to a special ethnic group.

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Ukrainian's started being propagated by the Austrian General Staff.

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As far back as the 19th century, Paris, calling for Ukrainian independence appeared.

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All those, however, claimed that Ukraine should have a very good relationship with Russia.

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They insisted on that.

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After the 1917 revolution, the Polish of the Soviet Union, the Soviet Union, the Soviet Union,

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the Polish of the Soviet Union, the Soviet Union, the Soviet Union, the Soviet Union, the Soviet Union,

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and the civil war began, including the hostilities with Poland.

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In 1921, peace with Poland was proclaimed and under that treaty, the right bank of Niper River,

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once again, was given back to Poland.

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In 1939, after Poland cooperated with Hitler,

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he did collaborate with Hitler,

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he offered Poland peace and a treaty of friendship.

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And alliance demanding in return that Poland gave back to Germany, the so-called advancing

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Cardor, which connected the bulk of Germany with East, Russia and Kyrningsburg.

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The war was transferred to Poland and instead of the Anzik city of Dunsk, emerged.

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Hitler asked them to give it an economy, but they refused.

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Still they collaborated with Hitler and engaged together.

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In the partitioning of Czechoslovakia,

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May ask you, you're making the case that Ukraine,

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certainly parts of the Kyrnings Union, Ukraine is in effect Russia has been for hundreds of years.

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Why wouldn't you just take it when you became president 24 years ago?

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You have nuclear weapons, they don't, if it's actually your land.

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Why did you wait so long?

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Sure.

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I'll tell you.

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I'm coming to the end.

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This briefing is coming to an end.

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It might be boring, but it explains many things.

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You don't know how it's relevant.

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Good.

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I'm so gratified that you appreciate that.

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So before World War II, Poland collaborated with Hitler,

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and although it did not yield to Hitler's demands,

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it still participated in the partitioning of Czechoslovakia together with Hitler,

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as the polls had not given the Dansik corridor to Germany,

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at Wenzufar, pushing Hitler to start World War II by attacking them.

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Why was it Poland against whom the war started on 1 September 1939?

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Poland turned out to be uncompromising again.

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Hitler had nothing to do, but it started implementing his plans with Poland.

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By the way, the USSR, I have read some archived documents,

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behaved very honestly.

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It asked Poland's permission to transit its troops through the Polish territory to help Czechoslovakia.

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But the then Polish foreign minister said that if the Soviet planes flew over Poland,

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they would be downed over the territory of Poland.

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But that doesn't matter.

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What matters is that they were begun, and Poland felt prey to the policies.

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It had pursued against Czechoslovakia,

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as under the well-known Molotov ribbon trope back.

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Part of the territory, including Western Ukraine,

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was to be given to Russia.

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Thus Russia, which was then named as USSR, regained this historical lands.

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After the victory in the Great Patriotic War, as we call World War II,

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although the territories were ultimately enshrined as belonging to Russia,

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the USSR, as for Poland, it received apparently

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in compensation the lands which had originally been German.

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The eastern parts of Germany, these are now Western lands of Poland.

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Of course, Poland regained access to the Baltic Sea and Danzig,

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which was once again given its Polish name.

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So this was how this situation developed.

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In 1922, when the USSR was being established,

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the Polish of the started building the USSR and established the Soviet Ukraine,

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which had never existed before,

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with this Stalin insisted that those republics

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be included in the USSR as autonomous entities.

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For some inexplicable reason, Lenin, the founder of the Soviet state,

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insisted that they be entitled to withdraw from the USSR.

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And again, for some unknown reasons, he transferred to that newly established Soviet

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republic of Ukraine, some of the lands together with people living there.

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Even though those lands had never been called Ukraine,

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and yet they were made part of that Soviet republic of Ukraine.

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Those lands included the Black Sea region, which was received under Catherine and the Great,

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and which had no historical connection with Ukraine whatsoever.

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Even if we go as far back as 1654, when these lands returned to Russian Empire,

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that territory was the size of three to four regions of modern Ukraine,

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with no Black Sea region. That was completely out of the question.

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In 1654?

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Exactly.

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I'm just, you obviously have been cyclopedic knowledge of this region,

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but why didn't you make this case for the first 22 years as president that Ukraine wasn't a real country?

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Yeah, it took. It took.

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And I should say that the Soviet Union was given a great deal of territory that had never belonged to,

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including the Black Sea region.

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At some point, when Russia received them as an outcome of the Russo-Turkish wars,

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they were called new Russia or Novgorod Sea,

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but that does not matter. What matters is that Lenin, the founder of the Soviet state,

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establish Ukraine that way, for decades they Ukrainian Soviet Republic developed a

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part of the USSR, and for unknown reasons again, the Bolsheviks were engaged in Ukrainianization.

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It was not merely because the Soviet leadership was composed to a great extent of those

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originating from Ukraine. Rather, it was explained by the general policy of

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indigenization, pursues by the Soviet Union. Same things were done in other Soviet

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republics, this involved promoting national languages and national cultures,

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which is not about impreensibly. That is how the Soviet Ukraine was created.

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After the World War II, Ukraine received, in addition to the lands that had belonged to Poland,

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before the war, part of the lands that had previously belonged to Hungary and Romania.

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So Romania and Hungary had some of their lands taken away and given to the Soviet Ukraine,

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and they still remain part of Ukraine. So in this sense, we have every reason to affirm that

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Ukraine is an artificial state that was shaped at Stalin's will.

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Do you believe Hungary has a right to take its land back from Ukraine, and that other nations

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have a right to go back to their 1654 borders?

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I'm not sure whether they should go back to the 1654 borders.

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But given Stalin's time, so-called Stalin's regime, which as many claim saw numerous violations

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of human rights and violations of the rights of other states.

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One may say that they could claim back those lands of theirs, while having no right to do that,

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if it is at least understandable.

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Never. I have never told them not a single time.

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We have not even had any conversation on that, but I actually know for sure that Hungarians who live there

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want it to get back to their historical land.

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Moreover, I would like to share a very interesting story with you.

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I digress. It's a personal one.

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Somewhere in the early 80s, I went on a road trip in a car from Ben Leningrad across the Soviet Union

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through Kiev, made a stopping Kiev, and then went to Western Ukraine.

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I went to the town of Beregavoye, and all the names of towns and villages there were in Russian

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and in the language I did not understand. In Hungarian, in Russian, and in Hungarian,

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not in Ukrainian, in Russian, and in Hungarian.

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I was driving through some kind of village and there were men sitting next to the houses,

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and they were wearing black-tree piece suits and black-sillender hats.

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I asked, are they some kind of entertainers? I was still no, they were not entertainers.

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They are Hungarians. I said, what are they doing here? What do you mean? This is their land. They live here.

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This was during the Soviet time in the 1980s. They preserved the Hungarian language,

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Hungarian names, and all their national costumes. They are Hungarians, and they feel themselves to

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be Hungarians. Of course, when now there is an infringement.

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Well, that is, and there's a lot of that, though. I think many nations are upset about transylvania,

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as well as you obviously know. But many nations feel frustrated by the redrawn borders of the

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wars of the 20th century, and wars going back a thousand years, the ones that you mentioned. But

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the fact is that you didn't make this case in public until two years ago, February, and in the

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case that you made, which I read today, you explained a great length that you felt a physical

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threat from the West in NATO, including potentially a nuclear threat. And that's what got you to move.

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Is that a fair characterization of what you said? I understand that my long speech is probably

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fall outside of the genre of the interview. That is why I asked you at the beginning,

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are we going to have a serious talk or a show? You said a serious talk, so they are with me,

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please. We're coming to the point where the Soviet Ukraine was established. Then in 1991, the Soviet

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Union collapsed, and everything that Russia had generously bestowed on Ukraine was dragged away by the latter.

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I'm coming to a very important point of today's agenda. After all, the collapse of the Soviet

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Union was effectively initiated by the Russian leadership. I do not understand what the Russian

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leadership was guided by at the time, but I suspect there were several reasons to think everything

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would be fine. I think that then Russian leadership believed that the fundamentals of the

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relationship between Russia and Ukraine were, in fact, a common language, more than 90% of the population,

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their spoken Russian. Family ties, every third person there had some kind of family or friendship ties,

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common culture, common history, finally common faith, coexistence with a single state for centuries,

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and deeply interconnected economies. All of these were so fundamental. All these elements together

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make our good relationships inevitable. The second point is a very important one. I want you as an

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American citizen and your viewers to hear about this as well. The former Russian leadership assumed that

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the Soviet Union had ceased to exist, and therefore there were no longer any ideological dividing lines.

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Russia even agreed voluntarily and proactively to the collapse of the Soviet Union,

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and believed that this would be understood by the so-called civilized West as an invitation for cooperation

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and association. That is what Russia was expecting, both from the United States and the so-called

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collective West as a whole. There were smart people including in Germany, he gone barred,

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a major politician of the social democratic party who insisted in his personal conversations with the

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Soviet leadership on the brink of the collapse of the Soviet Union, that a new security system should

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be established in Europe. Help should be given to unify Germany, but a new system should be also

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established to include the United States, Canada, Russia and other Central European countries.

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But NATO needs not to expand. That's what he said. If NATO expands, everything would be just

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the same as during the Cold War, only closer to Russia's borders. That's all.

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Bush the owner said he was a wise old man, but no one listened to it. In fact, he got angry once.

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If he said you don't listen to me, I'm never setting my foot in Moscow once again.

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No, you mean you mean everything happened just as he had said.

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It was of course it did come true and you've mentioned this many times, I think it's a fair point

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and many in America thought that relations between Russia and the United States would be fine

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with the collapse of the Soviet Union, the end of the core, that the opposite happened.

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But you've never explained why you think that happened except to say that the West fears a strong

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Russia, but we have a strong China, the West does not seem very afraid of. What about Russia, do you

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think convinced policymakers they had to take it down? It's a shame they have bullshit.

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There was this afraid of strong China more than it fears a strong Russia, because Russia has

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150 million people and China has 1.5 billion population and its economy is growing by

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leaps and bounds or 5% a year it used to be even more. But that's enough for China.

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As Bismarck once put it, potentials are the most important. China's potential is enormous.

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It is the biggest economy in the world today in terms of purchasing power, parity and the size of the

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economy. It has already overtaking the United States quite a long time ago and it is growing at a rapid

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cliff. Let's not talk about who is afraid of whom. Let's not reason in such terms.

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And let's get into a defect that after 1991, when Russia expected that it could be welcomed into

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the brotherly family of civilized nations, nothing like this happened. The trick this, I don't mean

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you personally when I say you, of course, I'm talking about the United States, the promise was that

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NATO would not expand eastward, but it happened five times. There were five waves of expansion.

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We tolerate it all that. We were trying to persuade them. We were saying,

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please don't. We are as bourgeois now as you are. We are market economy and there is no communist

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party power. Let's negotiate. Moreover, I have also said this publicly before.

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There was a moment when a certain rift started growing between us. Before that,

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heelsin came to the United States. Remember, he spoke in Congress and said the good words,

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God bless America. Everything he said were signals. Let us in. Remember the developments in

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Yugoslavia before the Yeltsin was lavished with praise, as soon as the developments in

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Yugoslavia started, he raised his voice in support of Serbs, and we couldn't but raise our voices

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for Serbs in their defense. I understand that there were complex processes on the way there. I do,

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but Russia could not help raising its voice in support of Serbs because Serbs are also a special

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and close to a nation with Orthodox culture and so on. It's a nation that has suffered so

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much for generations. Regardless, what is important is that Eltsin expressed his support

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what did the United States do? In violation of international law and the UN Charter,

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it started bombing Bill Grave. It was the United States that led the Gini out of the bottom.

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Moreover, when Russia protested and expressed his resentment, what was said, the UN Charter

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and international law have become obsolete. Now everyone invokes international law,

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but at that time they started saying that everything was outdated. Everything had to be changed.

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Indeed, some things need to be changed as the balance of power has changed. It's true,

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but not in this manner. Eltsin was immediately dragged through the mud accused of alcoholism,

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of understanding nothing, of knowing nothing. No, okay, sure. He understood everything. I assure you.

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Well, I became president in 2000. I thought, okay, the Yugoslavia issue is over,

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but we should try to restore relations. Let's reopen the door that Russia had tried to go through.

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And moreover, I said it publicly, I can't retire.

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Edamining here in the Kremlin with the outgoing president Bill Clinton right here in the next room,

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I said to him, I asked him,

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Bill, do you think if Russia asks to join NATO, do you think it would happen?

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Suddenly he said, you know, it's interesting. I think so.

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But in the evening when we met for dinner, he said, you know, I've talked to my team,

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no, no, it's not possible now. You can ask him, I think he will watch our interview, he'll confirm.

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I wouldn't have said anything like that if it hadn't happened. Okay, where you sent it to?

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Here, possible now. Would you have joined NATO?

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That's what's look. I asked the question, is it possible or not? And the answer I got was no,

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if I was, and since I'm here in my desire to find out what the leadership position was,

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but if he had said, yes, would you have joined NATO?

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Yes, it was. If he had said, yes, the process of reproachment would have commenced. And eventually,

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it might have happened if we had seen some sincere wish on the other side of our partners.

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It didn't happen. Well, no means no. Okay. Why do you think that is just to get to motive?

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I know you're clearly bitter about it. I understand. But why do you think the West

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rebutfed you then? Why the hostility? Why did the end of the Cold War not fix the relationship?

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What motivates this from your point of view?

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Was Kazellis, so you said I was bitter about the answer. No, it's not bitterness. It's just the

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statement of fact. We're not brightened room, bitterness, resentment. It's not about those kind of

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matters in such circumstances. We just realized we weren't welcome there. That's all. Okay, fine.

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But let's build relations in another manner. Let's look for common ground elsewhere.

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Why we received such a negative response? You should ask your leaders. I can only guess why

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to be a country with its own opinion and so on. And the United States, I have seen how issues are

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being resolved in NATO. No, I will give you another example now concerning your claim.

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The US leadership exerts pressure and all NATO members of the Indian leave out.

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Even if they do not like something. Now I'll tell you what happened in this regard with Ukraine in

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2008, although it's being discussed. I'm not going to open a secret to you, say anything,

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nevertheless, after that we tried to build relations in different ways.

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For example, the events in the Middle East in Iraq, we were building relations with the United

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States in a very soft, prudent, cautious manner. I repeatedly raised the issue that the United

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States should not support separatism or terrorism in the North Caucasus. But they continue to do it anyway

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and political support, information support, financial support, even military support came

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from the United States and it satellites for terrorist groups in the Caucasus.

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I once raised the issue with my colleague, also the president of the United States.

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He says, it's impossible. Do you have proof? I said yes. I was prepared for this conversation

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and I gave him that proof. He looked at it and you know what he said. I apologize but that's what

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happened. I'll quote, he says, well, I'm going to kick their ass. We waited and waited for some

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response. There was no reply. I said to death as be director, right to the CIA. What is the result

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of the conversation with president? He wrote once, twice, and then we got a reply.

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We have the answer in the archive. The CIA replied, we have been working with the opposition

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and Russia. We believe that this is the right thing to do and we will keep on doing it.

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Just ridiculous. Well, okay. We realized that there was out of the question.

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Forces in opposition to you. So you're saying the CIA is trying to overthrow your government.

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No, can you just email? If you do, the buttons will of course they meant in that particular case,

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the separatists, the terrorists who fought with us in the Caucasus. That's who they call the

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opposition. This is the second point. The third moment is a very important one.

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Is the moment when the US missile defense system was created, the beginning. We persuaded for a

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long time not to do it in United States. Moreover, after was invited by Bush Jr's father,

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Bush Sr to visit his place on the ocean. I had a very serious conversation with President Bush

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and his team. I proposed that the United States, Russia and Europe jointly created a missile

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defense system that we believe if created unilaterally threatens our security,

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despite the fact that the United States officially said that it was being created against

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missile threats from Iran. That was the justification for the deployment of the missile defense system.

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I suggested working together, Russia, the United States and Europe. They said it was very

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interesting. They asked me, are you serious? I said absolutely. I don't remember.

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It is easy to find out on the internet when I was in the USA at the invitation of Bush Sr.

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It is even easier to learn from someone I'm going to tell you about. I was told it was very

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interesting. I said just imagine if we could tackle such a global strategic security challenge together.

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The world will change. We'll probably have disputes, probably economic and even political ones,

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but we could drastically change the situation in the world. He says yes, and asks, are you serious?

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I said of course, we need to think about it. I said go ahead, please.

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Then Secretary of Defense gates, former director of CIA and Secretary of State Rice,

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came in here in this cabinet, right here at this table. They sat on this table. Me, the Foreign

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Minister, the Russian Defense Minister on that side, they said to me, yes, we have thought about it.

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We agree. I said thank God, great. But with some exceptions.

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decisions and then being undercut by their agency heads. So it sounds like you're describing a system that's

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not run by the people who are elected in your talent.

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That's right. That's right. In the end, they just told us to get lost.

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I'm not going to tell you the details because I think it's incorrect. After all, it was confidential

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but our proposal was declined. That's a fact. It was right then when I said, look,

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but then we will be forced to take countermeasures. We will create such strike systems that will

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certainly overcome missile defense systems. The answer was, we're not doing this against you and you do

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what you want, assuming that there is not against us, not against the United States. I said, okay,

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very well. That's the way it went. And we created hypersonic systems with intercontinental

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range and we continued to develop them. We are now ahead of everyone, the United States and the other

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countries in terms of the development of hypersonic strike systems and we are improving them every day.

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But it wasn't us. We proposed to go the other way and we were pushed back.

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Now, the Bells NATO is expansion today. Well, we were promised no NATO today, not the

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Ninch today, East as we were told. And then what? They said, well, it's not enshrined on paper,

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so we'll expand. So there were five waves of expansion. The Baltics states the whole of Eastern

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Europe and so on. And now I come to the main thing. They have come to do Ukraine ultimately.

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In 2008, at the summit in Bucharest, they declared that the doors for Ukraine and Georgia to

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join NATO were open. Now about how decisions are made there. Germany, France, seems to be against

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it as well as some other European countries. But then, as it turned out, later, President Bush

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and he, such a tough guy, a tough politician, as I was sold later, he exerted pressure on us and

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we had to agree. It's ridiculous. It's like kindergarten. Where are the guarantees? What

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kindergarten is this? What kind of people are these? Who are they? You see, they were pressed.

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They agreed. And then they say, Ukraine won't be in the NATO. You know, I say, I don't know.

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I know you're greeting 2008. Why won't you agree in the future? Well, they pressed us then.

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I say, why won't they press you tomorrow? And you'll agree again. Well, it's non-sensical.

433
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Who's there to talk to? I just don't understand. We're ready to talk. But with whom? Where are the guarantees?

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None. So they started to develop the territory of Ukraine. Whatever is there, I have told you,

435
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the background, how this territory developed, what kind of relations they were with Russia.

436
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Every second or third person there has always had some ties with Russia. And during the elections

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in already independent sovereign Ukraine, which gained its independence as a result of the declaration

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of independence. And by the way, it says that Ukraine is a neutral state and in 2008, suddenly the

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doors or gates to NATO were open to it. Oh, come on. This is not how we agreed.

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Now, all the presidents that have come to power in Ukraine, they relied on electorate with the

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good attitude to Russia in one way or the other. This is the southeast of Ukraine. This is a large

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number of people. And it was very difficult to persuade this electorate, which had a positive

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attitude towards Russia. Victoria and Kovic came to power and how. The first time he won

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the president Kuchma, they organized a third round, which is not provided for in the constitution

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of Ukraine. This is a coup de ta, just imagine someone in the United States wouldn't like the

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outcome. Before that, no, this was before that. After President Kuchma, Victoria and Kovic

447
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won the elections. However, his opponents did not recognize that victory, the U.S. supported

448
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the opposition and the third round was scheduled. What is this? This is a coup.

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They U.S. supported it and the winner of the third round came to power. Imagine if in the U.S.

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something was not to someone's liking and the third round of election, which the U.S. constitution

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does not provide for was organized. Nonetheless, it was done in Ukraine. Okay, Victoria,

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Yushchenko, who was considered the pro-Western politician, came to power. Fine, we have

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built relations with him as well. He came to Moscow with visits. We visited Kiev. I visited

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too. We met in an informal setting. If he's pro-Western so big, it's fine. Let people do their job.

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The situation should have developed inside the independent Ukraine itself, as a result of

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Kuchma's leadership. Things got worse and victory in a COVID came to power after all.

457
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Maybe he wasn't the best president and politician. I don't know. I don't want to give assessments.

458
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However, the issue of the association with the EU came up. We have always been leaning to this,

459
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suits yourself. But when we read through the 3th of association, it turned out to be a problem for us,

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since we had the free trade zone and open customs borders with Ukraine, which under this association

461
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had to open its borders for Europe, which could have led to flooding over America.

462
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We said, no, this is not going to work. We shall close our borders with Ukraine then.

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The customs borders that is. Yenukovic started to calculate how much Ukraine was going to gain,

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how much to lose, and set to his European partners. I made more time to think before signing.

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The moment he said that, the opposition begins to take destructive steps, which were supported by the West.

466
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It all came down to my down and a coup in Ukraine. So he did more trade with Russia than with the EU.

467
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You cramed it.

468
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No, of course. It's not even the matter of trade value, although for the most part it is.

469
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It is the matter of cooperation size, which the entire Ukrainian economy was based on.

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The cooperation size between the enterprises were very close since the times of the Soviet Union.

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One enterprise they are used to produce components to be assembled both in Russia and Ukraine and vice versa.

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They used to be very close ties. A coup that Thomas committed, although I shall not delve into details now,

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as I find doing it inappropriate, the US told us.

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Calm Yenukovic down and we will calm the opposition. Let the situation unfold in the scenario of a political settlement.

475
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We said, all right, agreed. Let's do it this way. As the Americans requested, Yenukovic did,

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used neither the armed forces nor the police, yet the armed opposition committed a coup in Kiev.

477
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What is that supposed to mean? Who do you think you are?

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I wanted to ask the US leadership.

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With the backing of the US, the organization you wanted to join back in the day as I understand.

480
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We should thank God they didn't let you in. Although it is a serious organization.

481
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I understand. My former vis-à-vis in the sense that I served in the first main directorate,

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Soviet Union's intelligence service. They have always been our opponents.

483
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A job is a job.

484
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Technically, they did everything right. They achieved their goal of changing the government.

485
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However, from political standpoint, it was a colossal mistake.

486
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Surely it was political leadership's miscalculation. They should have seen what it would

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evolve into.

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So in 2008, the doors of NATO were open for Ukraine. In 2014, there was a coup. They started

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persecuting those who did not accept the coup and it was indeed the coup. They created

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threat to Crimea, which we had to take under our protection. They launched the war in Dombas in 2014

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with the use of aircraft and artillery against civilians. This is when it all started.

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There is a video of aircraft attacking Donetsk from above. They launched a large scale military

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operation than another one. When they failed, they started to prepare the next storm.

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All this against the background of military development of this territory and opening of NATO's doors.

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How could we not express concern over what was happening? From our side, this would have been

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a culpable negligence. That's what it would have been. It's just that the U.S. political leadership

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pushed us to the line. We could not cross because doing so could have ruined Russia itself.

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Besides, we could not leave our brothers in faith in fact a part of Russian people in the face of

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this war machine. What was it? So that was eight years before the current conflict started. So what

500
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was the trigger for you? What was the moment where you decided you had to do this?

501
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:45,480
No, it's not that. Initially, it was the cul when you claimed that it provoked the conflict.

502
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By the way, back then, the representatives of three European countries, Germany, Poland and France,

503
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were the guarantors of the signed agreement between the government of Yanukovic and the opposition.

504
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They signed it as guarantors. Despite that, the opposition committed a cul and all these countries

505
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pretended that they didn't remember that they were guarantors of the peaceful settlement.

506
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They just threw it in the snow right away and nobody recalls that. I don't know if the U.S.

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no anything about the agreement between the opposition and the authorities and its three guarantors

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who instead of bringing this whole situation back in the political field, supported the coup.

509
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Although it was meaningless, believing because President Yanukovic agreed to all conditions,

510
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he was ready to hold an early election which he had no chance of winning and speaking.

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Everyone knew that. Then why the coup? Why the victims? Why threatening Crimea? Why launching an

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operation in Donbass? This, I do not understand. That is exactly what the miscalculation is.

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CIA did its job to complete the coup. I think one of the deputy secretaries of states said

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that they caused a large sum of money, almost $5 billion. But the political mistake was colossal.

515
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Why would they have to do that? All this could have been done legally without victims,

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without military action, without losing Crimea. We would have never considered to even lift a finger

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if it hadn't been for the bloody developments on my down. Because we agreed with the fact

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that after the collapse of the Soviet Union, our borders should be along the borders of former

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Union's republics. We agreed to that. But we never agreed to NATO's expansion and moreover,

520
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we never agreed that Ukraine would be in NATO. We did not agree to NATO bases there without any

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discussion with us. For decades we kept asking, don't do this, don't do that.

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Firstly, you can't say, no, I'm sure. And what triggered the latest demands?

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Firstly, the current Ukrainian leadership declared that it would not implement the Minsk agreements,

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which had been signed, as you know, after the events of 2014 in Minsk, where the plan of peaceful

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settlement in Donbass was set forth. But no, the current Ukrainian leadership,

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foreign minister, all other officials, and then President himself, said that they don't

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like anything about the Minsk agreements. In other words, they were not going to implement it.

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A year or a year and a half ago, former leaders of Germany and France,

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said openly to the whole world, that they indeed signed the Minsk agreements,

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but they never intended to implement them. They simply led us by the nose.

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Was there anyone free to talk to? Did you call a US President Secretary of State and say, if you

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keep militarizing Ukraine with NATO forces, this is going to get? This is going to be a,

533
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we're going to act.

534
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But I shared this, we talked about this all the time. We addressed the United States and European

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countries leadership to stop these developments immediately, so implemented the Minsk agreements.

536
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Frankly speaking, I didn't know how we were going to do this, but I was ready to implement

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this. These agreements were complicated for Ukraine. They included lots of elements of those Donbass

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territories independence. That's true. However, I was absolutely confident and I'm saying this

539
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to you now. I honestly believe that if we managed to convince the residents of Donbass,

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and we had to work hard to convince them to return to the Ukrainian statehood, then gradually

541
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the ones would start to heal. When this part of territory reintegrated itself into common

542
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social environment, when the pension, social benefits were paid again, all the pieces would

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gradually fall into place. No, nobody wanted that. Everybody wants to resolve the issue by military

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force only, but we could not let that happen. And the situation got to the point when the

545
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Ukrainian side announced, no, we will not do anything. They also started preparing for military action.

546
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It was they who started the war in 2014. Our goal is to stop this war. And we did not

547
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:51,800
start this war in 2022. This is an attempt to stop it. Do you think you've stopped it now?

548
00:53:54,360 --> 00:54:04,360
I mean, have you achieved your aims? No, we haven't achieved our aims yet because one of them

549
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is the notification. This means the prohibition of all kinds of neo-Nazi moments. This is one of the

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problems that we discussed during the negotiation process, which ended in Istanbul earlier this year.

551
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And it was not our initiative because we were told by the Europeans in particular that it was

552
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necessary to create conditions for the final signing of the documents. My counterparts in France

553
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:44,920
and Germany said, how can you imagine them signing a treaty with a gun to their hands?

554
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:52,200
The troops should be pulled back from Kiev. I said, all right, we withdrew the troops from Kiev.

555
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As soon as we pulled back our troops from Kiev, our Ukrainian negotiators immediately

556
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threw all our agreements reached and is the bull into the bend. And got prepared for a long

557
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standing armed confrontation with the help of the United States and its satellites in Europe.

558
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That is how the situation has developed. And that is how it looks now.

559
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:26,040
But what is denotsification? What would that mean?

560
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That is what I want to talk about right now. It is a very important issue.

561
00:55:39,720 --> 00:55:48,520
The Naziification. After gaining independence, Ukraine began to search as some Western analysts say,

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it is identity. And it came up with nothing better than to build this identity upon some false heroes

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who collaborated with Hitler. I have already said that in the early 19th century,

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when the theorists of independence and sovereignty of Ukraine appeared, they assumed that

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an independent Ukraine should have very good relations with Russia.

566
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But due to the historical development, those territories were part of the Polish Lithuania and Commonwealth,

567
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Poland, where Ukrainians were persecuted and treated quite brutally as well as were subject to cruel behavior.

568
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There were also attempts to destroy their identity.

569
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All this remained in the memory of the people. When World War II broke out,

570
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part of this extremely nationalist elite collaborated with Hitler, believing that he would bring them freedom.

571
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The German troops, even the SS troops, made Hitler's collaborators do the dirtiest work

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of exterminating the Polish and Jewish population. Hence this brutal massacre of the Polish and Jewish

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population as well as the Russian population too.

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This was led by the persons who are well known, Bandera, Shukiewicz. It was those people who were

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made national heroes. That is the problem. And we are constantly told that nationalism and neo-Nazism

576
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exist in other countries as well. Yes, they are seedlings, but we approved them. And other countries

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fight against them. But Ukraine is not the case. These people have been made into national heroes

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in Ukraine. Monuments to those people have been erected. They are displayed on flags. Their names

579
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:08,280
are shouted by crowds that walk with torches as it was in Nazi Germany.

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These were people who exterminated Poles, Jews and Russians. It is necessary to stop the

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00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:33,160
practice and prevent the dissemination of the Skaans. I say that Ukrainians are part of the one Russian

582
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:41,240
people. They say no, we are a separate people. Okay, fine. If they consider themselves a separate

583
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:47,960
people, they have the right to do so, but not on the basis of Nazism, the Nazi ideology.

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Would you be satisfied with the territory that you have now?

585
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Is there a question for you? I will finish answering the question. You are just asked a question

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about neo-Nazism and the Naziification. Look, the president of Ukraine visited Canada.

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The stories well known, but being silenced in the Western countries. The Canadian parliament introduced

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the man who, as the speaker of the parliament, said, fought against the Russians during the

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World War II. Well, who fought against the Russians during the World War II. Hitler and his

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accomplices. It turned out that this man served in the SS troops. He personally killed the Russians,

591
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Poles, and Jews. The SS troops consisted of Ukrainian nationalists who did this dirty work.

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The president of Ukraine stood up with the entire parliament of Canada and applauded this man.

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How can this be imagined? The president of Ukraine himself, by the way, is a Jew by nationality?

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Really, my question is what do you do about it? Hitler's been dead for 80 years, not to

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German and no longer exists. And so, true. And so, I think what you're saying is you want to

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extinguish or at least control Ukrainian nationalism. But how? How do you do that?

597
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:30,600
Tonki. Listen to me. Your question is very subtle. And I can tell you what I think. Do not

598
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take offense. Of course. This question appears to be subtle.

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It is quite pesky. You say Hitler has been dead for so many years, 80 years. But his example

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lives on. People who exterminated Jews, Russians, Poles are alive. And the president, the current

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president of today's Ukraine, applaud him in the Canadian parliament. He gives a standing ovation.

602
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Can we say that we have completely uprooted this ideology if what we see happening today?

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That is what the notification is in our understanding. We have to get rid of those people who maintain

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this concept and support this practice and try to preserve it. That is what the notification is.

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01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:31,000
That is what we mean. Right. My question was more specific. It was of course not a defense of

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Nazis or otherwise. It was a practical question. You don't control the entire country. You

607
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:43,720
don't control heavy don't seem like you want to. So how do you eliminate a culture or an ideology

608
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:49,480
or feelings or a view of history in a country that you don't control? What do you do about that?

609
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:57,000
I was not saying that. How did you show the country? I was a Istanbulian.

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You know, a stranger's it may seem to you during the negotiations at Istanbul. We did agree that

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we have it all in writing. Neo Nazism would not be cultivated in your crane,

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including that it would be prohibited at the legislative level. Mr. Carson, we agreed on that.

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This it turns out can be done during the negotiation process. And there's nothing humiliating

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for Ukraine as a modern civilized state. Is any state allowed to promote Nazis? It is not. Is it?

615
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:45,160
Will there be talks and why haven't there been talks about resolving the conflict in Ukraine? Peace talks.

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01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:45,400
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618
01:03:45,160 --> 01:04:15,160
Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Oce

619
01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:45,160
Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Oce

620
01:04:45,160 --> 01:05:15,160
Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Oce

621
01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:45,160
Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Oce

622
01:05:45,160 --> 01:06:15,160
Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Oce

623
01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:45,160
Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Oce

624
01:06:45,160 --> 01:07:15,160
Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Oce

625
01:07:15,160 --> 01:07:45,160
Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Oce

626
01:07:45,160 --> 01:08:15,160
Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Oce

627
01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:45,160
Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Oce

628
01:08:45,160 --> 01:09:15,160
Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Oce

629
01:09:15,160 --> 01:09:45,160
Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Oce

630
01:09:45,160 --> 01:10:15,160
Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Oce

631
01:10:15,160 --> 01:10:45,160
Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Oce

632
01:10:45,160 --> 01:11:15,160
Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Oce

633
01:11:15,160 --> 01:11:45,160
Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Oce

634
01:11:45,160 --> 01:12:15,160
Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Oce

635
01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:45,160
Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Oce

636
01:12:45,160 --> 01:13:15,160
Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Oce

637
01:13:15,160 --> 01:13:45,160
Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Oce

638
01:13:45,160 --> 01:14:15,160
Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Oce

639
01:14:15,160 --> 01:14:45,160
Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Oce

640
01:14:45,160 --> 01:15:15,160
Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Oce

641
01:15:15,160 --> 01:15:45,160
Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Oce

642
01:15:45,160 --> 01:16:15,160
Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Oce

643
01:16:15,160 --> 01:16:45,160
Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Oce

644
01:16:45,160 --> 01:17:15,160
Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Oce

645
01:17:15,160 --> 01:17:45,160
Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Oce

646
01:17:45,160 --> 01:18:15,160
Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Oce

647
01:18:15,160 --> 01:18:45,160
Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Oce

648
01:18:45,160 --> 01:19:15,160
Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Oce

649
01:19:15,160 --> 01:19:45,160
Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Oce

650
01:19:45,160 --> 01:20:15,160
Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Ocemon Oce

651
01:20:15,160 --> 01:20:45,160
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658
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659
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665
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666
01:27:45,160 --> 01:27:53,160
I told you about 2008 and the decision and book arrest to open the NATO's doors to for Ukraine and so on.

667
01:27:53,160 --> 01:27:59,160
That happened during his presidency. He actually exercised pressure on the Europeans.

668
01:27:59,160 --> 01:28:05,160
But in general, on a personal human level, I had a very good relationship with him.

669
01:28:05,160 --> 01:28:11,160
He was no worse than any other American or Russian or European politician.

670
01:28:11,160 --> 01:28:15,160
I assure you, he understood what he was doing as well as others.

671
01:28:15,160 --> 01:28:19,160
I had such personal relationship with Trump as well.

672
01:28:19,160 --> 01:28:27,160
It is not about the personality of the leader. It is about the elite's mindset.

673
01:28:27,160 --> 01:28:34,160
If the idea of domination at any cost based also on forceful actions,

674
01:28:34,160 --> 01:28:38,160
dominates the American society, nothing will change.

675
01:28:38,160 --> 01:28:42,160
It will only get worse.

676
01:28:42,160 --> 01:28:46,160
But if in the end one comes to the awareness that the world has been changing,

677
01:28:46,160 --> 01:28:52,160
to the objective circumstances, and that one should be able to adapt to them in time,

678
01:28:52,160 --> 01:28:56,160
using the advantages that the US still has today,

679
01:28:56,160 --> 01:29:00,160
then perhaps something may change.

680
01:29:00,160 --> 01:29:02,160
What's the money?

681
01:29:02,160 --> 01:29:08,160
Look, China's economy has become the first economy in the world in purchasing power parity.

682
01:29:08,160 --> 01:29:12,160
In terms of volume, it over to the US a long time ago.

683
01:29:12,160 --> 01:29:18,160
The US say, come second than India, one and a half billion people,

684
01:29:18,160 --> 01:29:22,160
and then Japan with Russia in the 15th place.

685
01:29:22,160 --> 01:29:28,160
Russia was the first economy in Europe last year despite all the sanctions and restrictions.

686
01:29:28,160 --> 01:29:32,160
Is it normal from your point of view sanctions restrictions,

687
01:29:32,160 --> 01:29:38,160
impossibility of payments and dollars being cut off from swift services, sanctions

688
01:29:38,160 --> 01:29:44,160
against our ship-scaring oil, sanctions against airplanes, sanctions in everything,

689
01:29:44,160 --> 01:29:48,160
everywhere.

690
01:29:48,160 --> 01:29:52,160
The largest number of sanctions in the world, which are applied

691
01:29:52,160 --> 01:29:54,160
are applied against Russia.

692
01:29:54,160 --> 01:30:00,160
And we have become Europe's first economy during this time.

693
01:30:00,160 --> 01:30:04,160
The tools that US uses don't work,

694
01:30:04,160 --> 01:30:06,160
well, one has to think about what to do.

695
01:30:06,160 --> 01:30:10,160
If this realization comes to the ruling elites, then yes,

696
01:30:10,160 --> 01:30:14,160
then the first person of the state will act in anticipation

697
01:30:14,160 --> 01:30:18,160
of what the voters and the people who make decisions at various levels

698
01:30:18,160 --> 01:30:20,160
expect from this person.

699
01:30:20,160 --> 01:30:24,160
Then maybe something will change.

700
01:30:24,160 --> 01:30:26,160
But you're describing two different systems.

701
01:30:26,160 --> 01:30:28,160
You say the leader acts in the interest of the voters,

702
01:30:28,160 --> 01:30:32,160
but you also say these decisions are not made by the leader they're made by the ruling classes.

703
01:30:32,160 --> 01:30:36,160
You've run this country for so long,

704
01:30:36,160 --> 01:30:40,160
known all these American presidents, what are those power centers in the United States?

705
01:30:40,160 --> 01:30:42,160
Do you think?

706
01:30:42,160 --> 01:30:44,160
Like who actually makes the decisions?

707
01:30:44,160 --> 01:30:50,160
I don't know.

708
01:30:50,160 --> 01:30:51,160
I don't know.

709
01:30:51,160 --> 01:30:57,160
America is a complex country, conservative on one hand, rapidly changing on the other.

710
01:30:57,160 --> 01:31:01,160
It's not easy for us to sort it all out.

711
01:31:01,160 --> 01:31:03,160
Who makes decisions in the elections?

712
01:31:03,160 --> 01:31:08,160
Is it possible to understand this when each state has its own legislation?

713
01:31:08,160 --> 01:31:10,160
Each state regulates itself?

714
01:31:11,160 --> 01:31:15,160
Someone can be excluded from elections at the state level.

715
01:31:15,160 --> 01:31:18,160
It is a two-stage electoral system.

716
01:31:18,160 --> 01:31:21,160
It is very difficult for us to understand it.

717
01:31:21,160 --> 01:31:26,160
Secondly, there are two parties that are dominant, the Republicans and the Democrats.

718
01:31:26,160 --> 01:31:32,160
And within this party system, the centers that make decisions that prepare decisions.

719
01:31:32,160 --> 01:31:38,160
Then look, why, in my opinion, after the collapse of the Soviet Union,

720
01:31:38,160 --> 01:31:44,160
such an erroneous crude, completely unjustified policy of pressure was pursued against Russia.

721
01:31:44,160 --> 01:31:48,160
After all, this is a policy of pressure.

722
01:31:48,160 --> 01:31:52,160
NATO expansion, support for the separatists and caucuses,

723
01:31:52,160 --> 01:31:55,160
creation of a missile defense system.

724
01:31:55,160 --> 01:32:00,160
These are all elements of pressure, pressure, pressure, pressure, pressure.

725
01:32:00,160 --> 01:32:07,160
Then dragging Ukraine into NATO is all about pressure, pressure, pressure.

726
01:32:07,160 --> 01:32:08,160
Why?

727
01:32:08,160 --> 01:32:16,160
I think among other things, because excessive production capacities were created.

728
01:32:16,160 --> 01:32:21,160
During the confrontation with the Soviet Union, there were many centers created,

729
01:32:21,160 --> 01:32:25,160
and specialists on the Soviet Union, who could not do anything else.

730
01:32:25,160 --> 01:32:31,160
They convinced the political leadership that it is necessary to continue chiseling Russia,

731
01:32:31,160 --> 01:32:37,160
to try to break it up, to create on this territory several quasi-state entities,

732
01:32:37,160 --> 01:32:44,160
and to subdue them in undivided form, to use their combined potential for the future struggle with China.

733
01:32:44,160 --> 01:32:52,160
This is a mistake, including the excessive potential of those who worked for the confrontation with the Soviet Union.

734
01:32:52,160 --> 01:32:54,160
It is necessary to good rid of this.

735
01:32:54,160 --> 01:33:00,160
There should be new fresh forces, people who look into the future and understand what is happening in the world.

736
01:33:00,160 --> 01:33:05,160
Look at how Indonesia is developing.

737
01:33:05,160 --> 01:33:09,160
600 million people working we get away from that.

738
01:33:09,160 --> 01:33:13,160
No, we just have to assume that Indonesia will enter.

739
01:33:13,160 --> 01:33:20,160
It is already in the club of the world's leading economies, no matter who likes it or dislikes it.

740
01:33:20,160 --> 01:33:27,160
Yes, we understand then are aware that in the United States, despite all the economic problems,

741
01:33:28,160 --> 01:33:32,160
the situation is still normal with the economy growing decently.

742
01:33:32,160 --> 01:33:38,160
The GDP is growing by 2.5% if I am not mistaken.

743
01:33:38,160 --> 01:33:44,160
But if we want to ensure the future, then we need to change our approach to what is changing.

744
01:33:44,160 --> 01:33:53,160
As I already said, the world would never the less change, regardless of how the developments in Ukraine and the world is changing.

745
01:33:53,160 --> 01:34:01,160
And the United States themselves experts are writing that the United States are nonetheless gradually changing their position in the world.

746
01:34:01,160 --> 01:34:05,160
It is your experts who write that. I just read them.

747
01:34:05,160 --> 01:34:11,160
The only question is how this would happen, painfully and quickly or gently and gradually.

748
01:34:11,160 --> 01:34:18,160
And this is written by people who are not anti-American. They simply follow global development trends.

749
01:34:18,160 --> 01:34:21,160
That's it.

750
01:34:21,160 --> 01:34:27,160
And in order to assess them and change policies, we need people who think, look forward,

751
01:34:27,160 --> 01:34:33,160
can analyze and recommend certain decisions at the level of political leaders?

752
01:34:33,160 --> 01:34:40,160
I just have to ask, you've said clearly that NATO expansion, the short is a violation of the promise you all are made in the 1990.

753
01:34:40,160 --> 01:34:43,160
It's a threat to your country.

754
01:34:43,160 --> 01:34:47,160
And before you send troops into Ukraine, the Vice President of the United States,

755
01:34:47,160 --> 01:34:52,160
what's the Munich Security Conference, and encourage the President of Ukraine to join NATO.

756
01:34:52,160 --> 01:34:57,160
Do you think that was an effort to provoke you into military actions?

757
01:34:57,160 --> 01:35:12,160
I repeat once again, we have repeatedly proposed to seek a solution to the problems that arose in Ukraine after 2014,

758
01:35:12,160 --> 01:35:15,160
could the time through peaceful means.

759
01:35:15,160 --> 01:35:17,160
But no one listens to us.

760
01:35:17,160 --> 01:35:22,160
And moreover, the Ukrainian leaders who were under the complete US control,

761
01:35:22,160 --> 01:35:26,160
suddenly declared that they would not comply with the Minsk agreements.

762
01:35:26,160 --> 01:35:32,160
They dislike everything there and continue military activity in that territory.

763
01:35:40,160 --> 01:35:50,160
And in peril, that territory was being exploited by NATO military structures under the guise of various personnel training and retraining centers.

764
01:35:50,160 --> 01:35:54,160
They essentially began to create bases there.

765
01:35:54,160 --> 01:35:56,160
That's all.

766
01:35:56,160 --> 01:36:00,160
Ukraine announced that the Russians were a non-titular nationality,

767
01:36:00,160 --> 01:36:06,160
while passing the laws that limit the rights of non-titular nationalities in Ukraine.

768
01:36:06,160 --> 01:36:12,160
Ukraine, having received all these self-eastern territories as a gift from the Russian people,

769
01:36:12,160 --> 01:36:18,160
suddenly announced that the Russians were a non-titular nationality in that territory.

770
01:36:18,160 --> 01:36:22,160
Is that normal?

771
01:36:22,160 --> 01:36:32,160
All this puts together, let it the decision to end the war that neo-Nazi started in Ukraine in 2014.

772
01:36:32,160 --> 01:36:42,160
Do you think Zelensky has the freedom to negotiate a settlement to this conflict?

773
01:36:43,160 --> 01:36:48,160
I don't know the details, of course, it's difficult for me to judge.

774
01:36:48,160 --> 01:36:52,160
But I believe he has, in any case, he used to have.

775
01:36:52,160 --> 01:36:57,160
His father fought against the fascists, Nazis during World War II.

776
01:36:57,160 --> 01:36:59,160
I once talked to him about this.

777
01:36:59,160 --> 01:37:03,160
I said, Olojya, what are you doing?

778
01:37:03,160 --> 01:37:06,160
Why are you supporting neo-Nazi's in Ukraine today,

779
01:37:06,160 --> 01:37:09,160
while your father fought against fascism?

780
01:37:09,160 --> 01:37:11,160
He was a front-line soldier.

781
01:37:12,160 --> 01:37:15,160
I will not tell you what he answered. This is a separate topic,

782
01:37:15,160 --> 01:37:18,160
and I think it's incorrect for me to do so.

783
01:37:18,160 --> 01:37:21,160
But as to the freedom of choice, why not?

784
01:37:21,160 --> 01:37:27,160
He came to power on the expectations of Ukrainian people that he would lead Ukraine's peace.

785
01:37:27,160 --> 01:37:29,160
He talked about this.

786
01:37:29,160 --> 01:37:34,160
It was thanks to this that he won the elections overwhelmingly.

787
01:37:34,160 --> 01:37:39,160
But then when he came to power, in my opinion, he realized two things.

788
01:37:39,160 --> 01:37:43,160
Firstly, it is better not to clash with neo-Nazi's and nationalists,

789
01:37:43,160 --> 01:37:46,160
because they are aggressive and very active.

790
01:37:46,160 --> 01:37:48,160
You can expect anything from them.

791
01:37:48,160 --> 01:37:52,160
And secondly, the US led West supports them,

792
01:37:52,160 --> 01:37:55,160
and will always support those who antagonize with Russia.

793
01:37:55,160 --> 01:37:57,160
It has been official and safe.

794
01:37:57,160 --> 01:38:01,160
So he took the relevant position, despite promising his people

795
01:38:01,160 --> 01:38:05,160
to end the war in Ukraine. He deceived his voters.

796
01:38:06,160 --> 01:38:11,160
But do you think at this point, as if February 2024, he has the latitude to freedom

797
01:38:11,160 --> 01:38:14,160
to speak with you or your government directly about putting them to this,

798
01:38:14,160 --> 01:38:17,160
which clearly is in helping his country or the world?

799
01:38:17,160 --> 01:38:20,160
Can he do that, do you think?

800
01:38:22,160 --> 01:38:25,160
I'm a human yet, I don't know.

801
01:38:25,160 --> 01:38:28,160
He considers himself a head of state.

802
01:38:28,160 --> 01:38:30,160
He won the elections.

803
01:38:30,160 --> 01:38:34,160
Although we believe in Russia that the coup that the TAH is the primary source of power

804
01:38:34,160 --> 01:38:37,160
for everything that happened after 2014,

805
01:38:37,160 --> 01:38:41,160
and in this sense, even today, government is flawed.

806
01:38:41,160 --> 01:38:47,160
But he considers himself the president and he is recognized by the United States,

807
01:38:47,160 --> 01:38:51,160
all of Europe, and practically the rest of the world in such a capacity.

808
01:38:51,160 --> 01:38:52,160
Why not?

809
01:38:52,160 --> 01:38:57,160
We negotiated with Ukraine in Istanbul.

810
01:38:57,160 --> 01:39:00,160
We agreed he was aware of this.

811
01:39:01,160 --> 01:39:06,160
Moreover, the negotiation group leader, Mr. Ahamia, is his last name.

812
01:39:06,160 --> 01:39:09,160
I believe still has the faction of the ruling party,

813
01:39:09,160 --> 01:39:12,160
the party of the president in the Rada.

814
01:39:12,160 --> 01:39:17,160
He still has the presidential faction in the Rada that comes to his problem.

815
01:39:17,160 --> 01:39:19,160
He still sits there.

816
01:39:19,160 --> 01:39:22,160
He even put his preliminary signature on the document.

817
01:39:22,160 --> 01:39:24,160
I am telling you.

818
01:39:24,160 --> 01:39:27,160
But then he publicly stated to the whole world,

819
01:39:28,160 --> 01:39:31,160
we were ready to sign this document, but Mr. Johnson,

820
01:39:31,160 --> 01:39:34,160
then the prime minister, or the reason, came in the suite

821
01:39:34,160 --> 01:39:38,160
it was from doing this, saying it was better to fight Russia.

822
01:39:38,160 --> 01:39:43,160
They would give everything needed for us to return what was long during the clashes

823
01:39:43,160 --> 01:39:46,160
with Russia, and we agreed with this proposal.

824
01:39:46,160 --> 01:39:50,160
Look, his statement has been published. He said it publicly.

825
01:39:50,160 --> 01:39:53,160
Can they return to this or not?

826
01:39:54,160 --> 01:39:57,160
The question is, do they want it or not?

827
01:39:57,160 --> 01:40:01,160
For their own, President Eurocrain issued a decree

828
01:40:01,160 --> 01:40:04,160
from the head of the negotiations with us.

829
01:40:04,160 --> 01:40:08,160
Let him cancel that decree, and that's it.

830
01:40:08,160 --> 01:40:11,160
We have never refused negotiations in the agreement.

831
01:40:11,160 --> 01:40:14,160
We hear all the time, is Russia ready?

832
01:40:14,160 --> 01:40:16,160
Yes, we have not refused.

833
01:40:16,160 --> 01:40:19,160
It was then who publicly refused.

834
01:40:19,160 --> 01:40:23,160
Well, let him cancel his decree and answer into negotiations.

835
01:40:23,160 --> 01:40:27,160
We have never refused.

836
01:40:27,160 --> 01:40:31,160
And the fact that they obey the demand or persuasion of Mr. Johnson,

837
01:40:31,160 --> 01:40:34,160
the former prime minister of Great Britain,

838
01:40:34,160 --> 01:40:37,160
seems ridiculous and is very sad to me,

839
01:40:37,160 --> 01:40:40,160
because Mr. Arakamiya put it.

840
01:40:40,160 --> 01:40:46,160
We could have stopped those hostilities with more a year and a half ago already.

841
01:40:47,160 --> 01:40:50,160
But the British persuaded us and we refuse this.

842
01:40:50,160 --> 01:40:54,160
Where is Mr. Johnson now? And the war continues.

843
01:40:54,160 --> 01:40:56,160
That's a good question.

844
01:40:56,160 --> 01:40:59,160
Where do you think he is and why did he do that?

845
01:40:59,160 --> 01:41:02,160
The Korean was not.

846
01:41:02,160 --> 01:41:03,160
The Korean was not.

847
01:41:03,160 --> 01:41:05,160
He was held no less.

848
01:41:05,160 --> 01:41:08,160
I don't understand it myself.

849
01:41:08,160 --> 01:41:10,160
There was a general starting point.

850
01:41:10,160 --> 01:41:13,160
For some reason, everyone had the illusion

851
01:41:13,160 --> 01:41:16,160
that Russia could be defeated on the battlefield.

852
01:41:16,160 --> 01:41:17,160
I'd choose to hear that.

853
01:41:17,160 --> 01:41:21,160
Not because of arrogance, because of a pure heart,

854
01:41:21,160 --> 01:41:23,160
but not because of a great mind.

855
01:41:27,160 --> 01:41:29,160
You've described the connection between Russia and Ukraine.

856
01:41:29,160 --> 01:41:32,160
You've described Russia itself a couple of times as orthodox.

857
01:41:32,160 --> 01:41:34,160
That's central to your understanding of Russia.

858
01:41:34,160 --> 01:41:35,160
You've said your orthodox.

859
01:41:35,160 --> 01:41:37,160
What does that mean?

860
01:41:37,160 --> 01:41:41,160
For you, your Christian leader.

861
01:41:42,160 --> 01:41:44,160
By your own description.

862
01:41:44,160 --> 01:41:46,160
So what effect does that have on you?

863
01:41:51,160 --> 01:41:55,160
As I already mentioned, then 988.

864
01:41:55,160 --> 01:41:58,160
Prince Vladimir himself as baptized,

865
01:41:58,160 --> 01:42:02,160
following the example of his grandmother, Princess Olga.

866
01:42:02,160 --> 01:42:04,160
And then he baptized his squad.

867
01:42:04,160 --> 01:42:08,160
And then gradually over the course of several years,

868
01:42:08,160 --> 01:42:10,160
he baptized all the roofs.

869
01:42:10,160 --> 01:42:14,160
It was a lengthy process from pagan secretions.

870
01:42:14,160 --> 01:42:16,160
It's like many years.

871
01:42:16,160 --> 01:42:21,160
But in the end, this orthodoxy, Eastern Christianity,

872
01:42:21,160 --> 01:42:25,160
deeply rooted itself in the consciousness of the Russian people.

873
01:42:25,160 --> 01:42:32,160
When Russia expanded and absorbed other nations who profess Islam, Judaism,

874
01:42:32,160 --> 01:42:36,160
and Judaism, Russia has always been very loyal to those people

875
01:42:36,160 --> 01:42:38,160
who profess other religions.

876
01:42:38,160 --> 01:42:40,160
This is her strength.

877
01:42:40,160 --> 01:42:42,160
This is absolutely clear.

878
01:42:42,160 --> 01:42:46,160
And the fact is that the main postulates, main values,

879
01:42:46,160 --> 01:42:50,160
are very similar, not to say the same in all world religions.

880
01:42:50,160 --> 01:42:53,160
I've just mentioned them, which are the traditional religions

881
01:42:53,160 --> 01:42:55,160
of the Russian Federation.

882
01:42:55,160 --> 01:42:58,160
Russian, Russian, and Russian.

883
01:42:58,160 --> 01:43:02,160
By the way, Russian authorities were always very careful about the culture

884
01:43:02,160 --> 01:43:06,160
and religion of those people who came into the Russian empire.

885
01:43:06,160 --> 01:43:14,160
At this, in my opinion, forms the basis of both security and stability

886
01:43:14,160 --> 01:43:16,160
of the Russian statehood.

887
01:43:16,160 --> 01:43:22,160
All the peoples inhabiting Russia basically consider it their motherhood.

888
01:43:22,160 --> 01:43:27,160
You say people move over to Europe, from Latin America,

889
01:43:27,160 --> 01:43:30,160
and even clearer and more understandable example,

890
01:43:30,160 --> 01:43:35,160
people come, but yet they have come to you or to European countries

891
01:43:35,160 --> 01:43:39,160
from the historical home.

892
01:43:39,160 --> 01:43:42,160
And people who profess different religions in Russia,

893
01:43:42,160 --> 01:43:44,160
consider Russia their motherland.

894
01:43:44,160 --> 01:43:49,160
They have no other motherland.

895
01:43:49,160 --> 01:43:52,160
We are together. This is one big family.

896
01:43:52,160 --> 01:43:56,160
And our traditional values are very similar.

897
01:43:56,160 --> 01:44:01,160
I've just mentioned one big family, but everyone has his, her own family.

898
01:44:01,160 --> 01:44:05,160
And this is the basis of our society.

899
01:44:05,160 --> 01:44:11,160
And if we say that the motherland and the family are specifically connected with each other.

900
01:44:11,160 --> 01:44:20,160
It is in the case, since it is impossible to ensure a normal future for children

901
01:44:20,160 --> 01:44:25,160
and our families unless we ensure a normal, sustainable future for the entire country.

902
01:44:25,160 --> 01:44:28,160
For the motherland.

903
01:44:28,160 --> 01:44:33,160
That is why patriotic sentiment is so strong in Russian.

904
01:44:33,160 --> 01:44:38,160
But can I say the one way in which the religions are different

905
01:44:38,160 --> 01:44:41,160
is that Christianity is specifically nonviolent religion.

906
01:44:41,160 --> 01:44:44,160
Jesus says, turn the other cheek, don't kill.

907
01:44:44,160 --> 01:44:48,160
How can a leader who has to kill of any country?

908
01:44:48,160 --> 01:44:50,160
How can a leader be a Christian?

909
01:44:50,160 --> 01:44:54,160
How do you reconcile that to yourself?

910
01:44:54,160 --> 01:44:58,160
If you are a Christian, you are a Christian.

911
01:44:58,160 --> 01:45:02,160
If you are a Christian, you are a Christian.

912
01:45:02,160 --> 01:45:04,160
If you are a Christian, you are a Christian.

913
01:45:04,160 --> 01:45:07,160
If you are a Christian, you are a Christian.

914
01:45:07,160 --> 01:45:10,160
If you are a Christian, you are a Christian.

915
01:45:10,160 --> 01:45:13,160
If you are a Christian, you are a Christian.

916
01:45:13,160 --> 01:45:15,160
If you are a Christian, you are a Christian.

917
01:45:15,160 --> 01:45:17,160
If you are a Christian, you are a Christian.

918
01:45:17,160 --> 01:45:18,160
If you are a Christian, you are a Christian.

919
01:45:18,160 --> 01:45:20,160
If you are a Christian, you are a Christian.

920
01:45:20,160 --> 01:45:22,160
If you are a Christian, you are a Christian.

921
01:45:22,160 --> 01:45:24,160
That's when they started.

922
01:45:24,160 --> 01:45:28,160
And we are protecting our people, ourselves, our homeland, and our future.

923
01:45:28,160 --> 01:45:39,160
As for religion, in general, you know, it's not about external manifestations.

924
01:45:39,160 --> 01:45:44,160
It's not about going to church every day or banging your head on the floor.

925
01:45:44,160 --> 01:45:49,160
It is in the heart.

926
01:45:50,160 --> 01:45:53,160
And our culture is so human oriented.

927
01:45:53,160 --> 01:45:57,160
The Steyevsky, who was very well known in the West,

928
01:45:57,160 --> 01:46:03,160
then the genius of Russian culture, Russian literature, spoke a lot about this about the Russian soul.

929
01:46:03,160 --> 01:46:06,160
Russian is a Russian, all-dumbly, Russian,

930
01:46:06,160 --> 01:46:36,160
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931
01:46:36,160 --> 01:47:06,160
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932
01:47:06,160 --> 01:47:36,160
and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and

933
01:47:36,160 --> 01:48:06,160
and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and

934
01:48:06,160 --> 01:48:36,160
and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and the Jewish, and

935
01:48:36,160 --> 01:48:43,160
so when does the AI empire start? Do you think?

936
01:48:43,160 --> 01:48:47,160
Yes.

937
01:48:47,160 --> 01:48:57,160
You're asking increasingly more complicated questions to insert them, you need to be an expert in big numbers, big data, and AI.

938
01:48:57,160 --> 01:49:27,160
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939
01:49:27,160 --> 01:49:57,160
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940
01:49:57,160 --> 01:50:27,160
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941
01:50:27,160 --> 01:50:57,160
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942
01:50:57,160 --> 01:51:27,160
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943
01:51:27,160 --> 01:51:57,160
and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and

944
01:51:57,160 --> 01:52:27,160
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945
01:52:27,160 --> 01:52:57,160
and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and

946
01:52:57,160 --> 01:53:27,160
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947
01:53:27,160 --> 01:53:57,160
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948
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949
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950
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951
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952
01:55:57,160 --> 01:56:27,160
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953
01:56:27,160 --> 01:56:57,160
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954
01:56:57,160 --> 01:57:27,160
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955
01:57:27,160 --> 01:57:57,160
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956
01:57:57,160 --> 01:58:27,160
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957
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958
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959
01:59:27,160 --> 01:59:57,160
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960
01:59:57,160 --> 02:00:27,160
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961
02:00:27,160 --> 02:00:57,160
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962
02:00:57,160 --> 02:01:27,160
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963
02:01:27,160 --> 02:01:57,160
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964
02:01:57,160 --> 02:02:27,160
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965
02:02:27,160 --> 02:02:57,160
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966
02:02:57,160 --> 02:03:27,160
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967
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968
02:03:57,160 --> 02:04:27,160
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969
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970
02:04:57,160 --> 02:05:27,160
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971
02:05:27,160 --> 02:05:57,160
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972
02:05:57,160 --> 02:06:27,160
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973
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974
02:06:57,160 --> 02:07:18,890
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