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Well, I mean, we haven't invented new ways of raising the death rate.

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Famine pestants in war.

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I mean, those are the ones we have.

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They manifest differently depending on the technology that you're using.

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But that's the way.

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And it won't be just one thing I don't think.

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It will be, you know, a variety of things.

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Make sure that really grabbed me as urgent.

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It's just related to population.

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What the developing world does not need is more children.

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And I think that was the biggest aha to build in me when we got into this work.

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Because we asked ourselves, of course, the same hard-nosed question you'd ask, which is,

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if you get into this work and you start to save these children,

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will women just keep overpopulating the world?

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And thank goodness, the conversation is absolutely true.

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But the important thing to realize, we don't consider climate change to be a problem.

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It's a symptom when you have physical growth in a finite planet.

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Pressures are going to mount to stop the growth.

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Those, and climate change is one of those pressures.

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So it's a symptom of our efforts to keep promoting physical growth in a finite planet.

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You know, ironically, if we solved climate change, if we could somehow push a magic button

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and eliminate greenhouse gases anymore, then the consequences will be,

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but continue with our growth will just have to see bigger pressures in other sectors.

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And then water scarcity or epidemics or warfare or some other pressure will have to become

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even more powerful.

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Because finally, the pressures against growth have to equal the pressures and favor of growth.

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And only when they're equal, growth will stop.