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Good morning everyone and welcome and we're
welcome to all who are joining us

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today for this discussion about harnessing
data from within and beyond.

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Honestly whenever we're talking about data we
all know that data is the new

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currency for today's era and we're flooded
with a lot of information and a

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lot of data around us and if we're talking
about data there are a lot of

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questions that come to our mind like what
data is benefit to us and what are

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the challenges and how we can utilize it to
benefit humanity. So to start this

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conversation within this panel I would like
to ask you Miss Yana like what

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kind of data is really important among all
the data that we do have and how we

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can share this data effectively. Good morning
everyone it's really nice to be

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here and and to follow this opening remarks
if I can just deviate a little

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bit is a tough call because I think Her
Excellency managed in this most succinct

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eloquent talk to string all the important
elements into this beautiful

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strand so it's a bit she's pretty much made
the case for all of us so I'll try

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to fill perhaps some of the intervals that
she left open for us to talk about.

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So within the group on earth observation as
the name suggests we really

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think of data as encompassing of all kind of
data that comes from varieties

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of sources that give us information about the
earth and the earth system so

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we when we talk about data we are thinking
about observations of physical

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chemical biological but also socioeconomic
variables and observing

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their change over time in order to construct
our understanding of what goes

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on on our mother planet earth but data in
itself is just a raw material it's

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just raw commodity it as Her Excellency
pointed out its real value is realized

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when it's processed when it's analyzed when
insights are generated packaged in

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the kind of format that can actually deliver
actionable information to any

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decision-makers be there public entities or
businesses or citizens the thing

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about data it's just like in that symphony to
for it to make sense we do

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need all of the elements to play their part
but they all need to be connected

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to give us that holistic view of the question
that we're trying to answer and

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one important thing that makes it happen and
to be shared across communities and

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societies is something as boring as protocols
and standards so it's really

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critical that the entities whether it is data
providing organizations who

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share their original source data or if it's
aggregators data aggregators like

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Amazon and Microsoft planetary computer
Google they are all using those very

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critical standard based protocols API's which
allow them this pieces of the

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orchestra to actually communicate and spread
all the data and the information

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they provide throughout our global ecosystem
and then of course come a

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whole myriad of other platforms which are
chosen by the user community

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themselves from national data sharing
infrastructures to regional continental

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scale like last year I believe there was a
Middle East North Africa big data

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regional how blanched to again to global
scale data platforms and from our side I

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think I would just say where the investments
into this data are really

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being realized time and time again is when
the data that becomes intelligence

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and then becomes knowledge through its use
and application gets actually shared

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globally because it's that experience of
having applied that data in decision

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making processes that generates the learning
and then that learning when

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shared within the global community can indeed
become the tool of empowerment so

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all data matters but data alone doesn't
matter it's when data gets used as tools

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that provide intelligence and insights
generate knowledge and learning which

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then is shared is when we really realize the
full potential of data but to do

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that we have to take care of those boring
little pesky things like standards

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and protocols for your insight so for us to
get valuable data as even her

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excellency mentioned it gets back to the
basics of collection of data

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professor talked to us more about like what
are the challenges and the

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limitations when it comes to collection of
data and even using it I do it like

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this so that I can also look to the left and
to the right so good morning

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everybody and I must join Iana it was amazing
how well the minister collected

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everything in one strand so what can be at
first of all yes data are absolutely

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necessary and data collection is necessary
but the first question is which

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data which data do we need which data do we
want so that's the first question to

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define because we can collect whatever we
want it wouldn't give the result if

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you would not have the right data and it has
to be not only the right data it

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has to be the quality of the data so you need
quality checks you need to define

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which quality the data have to have have to
have and that's already the first

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challenge the second challenge is you cannot
store all data you have to

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reduce the data so how to reduce and there
comes the word of bias what the

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minister said that everybody has a bias also
in research in research that can

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also be an unconscious bias because you don't
know what you really need so that

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that's an intrinsic bias to some extent so
you have to reduce without having the

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risk to reduce it by things which you need so
it's to my mind it's an iterative

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process also you collect data you learn to
use these data and then you need an

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iteration because you might have new info you
will have new information

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definitely and with this new information you
have an iterative process the next

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challenges you have then to run through the
data again maybe to collect new data

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and to run through the old data again and
there's a challenge which is called

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energy because it all needs power so you
better invest a lot of thinking in order

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to reduce the amount of power because if you
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reanalyze the data so these are all the
challenges and then comes the biggest

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challenge you have to transform the data into
knowledge and maybe that's that's

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really the biggest challenge to do that
because you can collect whatever you

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want you must use it you must use it in order
to bring us forward and there you

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have to have an idea what you want to find in
which direction not exactly what

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because that would be already a bias so in
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your research and again there you are then an
iterative process and again what

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Jana said you need to share it and you need
to do it with others together you

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alone you cannot do that so I think these are
the challenges which you can

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master once you know the direction where your
goal is lying but you have to keep

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in mind you need a lot of preparatory time a
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lot of ingenuity in particular and that's
another challenge which I just

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forgot if you want to make a disruptive
change how can you define the

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disruption before and so again I think one
needs an iteration there in order

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to get an interrupt disruptive change so
there are a lot of challenges but you

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can master it and I think that's that's a
positive end of this point so always

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with the opposite of challenges there is the
other case of opportunities and I

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believe like technology can play a great role
in that mr. Clint how can we

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utilize really technology to facilitate data
usage like professor is saying

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like that we do have to revise the data that
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understanding so how can we meet these kind
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the technology that we do have thank you very
much you know one of the things

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that's that's happening is change like change
is just a part of how we live and

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and how we work and this evolution of the the
technology that I've dedicated

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my life to is GIS has has undergone enormous
transformation in these last

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few years the internet has has actually
changed everything the interesting thing

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about geographic data is everything happens
somewhere so every bit of

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information in the world typically can be geo
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or some other planet or moon depending on
what the context of the problem is

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and the idea that you can bring different
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past is really kind of a big breakthrough for
what's going on I was

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just thinking last night about some of the
things we've seen in this new web GIS

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pattern for example Landsat 8 has a heat
sensor and that heat sensor can be used

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to make maps of cities that show you where
the warm parts of the cities are

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places where trees could be planted and
places that have nice shade around them

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that's that's kind of amazing I saw it from
my hometown last fall like like

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that idea of that information coming to life
was was really new the other thing

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that we see a lot of like if you look at the
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their work their sentinel missions are just
stunningly capable in the past six

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years the lands sorry the sentinel two
missions have produced amazing

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information they have a revisit rate every 10
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revisited every five days and the work that
was done by a company called impact

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observatory was to use AI and machine
learning to take about I think it's

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around 24,000 sample plots around the world
and using machine learning they

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turned that into over a million sample plots
and imagine this the entire year's

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worth of imagery all of that content for each
year from 2017 through 2022 now have

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been used to create an annual land cover map
at 10 meter resolution and when you

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start to think about how we do kind of
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of things how does that information roll up
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about raster data or imagery data it's you
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used where where cells can nested other cells
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cube of lots of layers like in the United
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have been collected for over 25 years have
been turned into a data cube of about 2700

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separate layers one for each species about
where it had been located and that...

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used to generate a map of probability of
occurrence not for all species but for eac...

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species I mean it's kind of just just
enormous breakthroughs and what can happen...

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the patterns that's been emerging have have
been these this kind of community content ...

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started to build something we call the living
atlas of the world and it's it's this...

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of I'll say curated content the best
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imagery and raster and things like that
population statistics transportation healt...

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there's about 10,000 layers that we've been
curating we add a few layers every month t...

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continuously keep it updated what it
represents is it represents the work of th...

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community all of their work is coming to life
and that idea of data becoming available i...

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another one about well how do you synthesize
that data and put it into a form where peo...

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computation with it and drive real answers to
really pressing problems and I think I think

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that's a big lesson for for us have always
been just the amazing work like you look a...

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inspire you know groups like that have done
just a wonderful job at kind of building that

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ethic about information sharing across our
community so I'm really excited about what...

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GIS community can offer to things like the
sustainable development goals that's honestly

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great combining multiple layers of
information to reach the whole benefit to...

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humanity is the ultimate goal I would really
like to hear from each one of you like fro...

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experiences what are some examples of how
data were used to ultimately benefit human...

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can start with you Missyana. I have to pick a
favorite and nobody likes to do that right no

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favorites but we can talk about some
life-saving sort of scenarios where and ag...

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global partnership really multilateral
partnership where I think the real value i...

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of the different communities from around the
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policy to actually co-develop and co-design
solutions and throughout that process buil...

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which by the way one of the things that Her
Excellency was talking about is how do we...

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on how we address this and let's just be
clear governments don't really don't love ...

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risk so it is really this exercise of
building the social capital that sort of...

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of trust and confidence that sort of tells us
you know what go ahead and innovate and tr...

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new so through this multilateral
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some cases have allowed countries to
anticipate significant risks like in the c...

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the prime minister's office wanted to create
a social safety net program and by...

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global risk finance facility sort of looking
for ways to create national level warning...

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trigger the warning early enough that the
government could then receive the payouts...

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this insurance to provide proactive
assistance with the population so through ...

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worked with the government of Uganda to
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system which using the information about the
different types of variables triggered three

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month warning to let them know that in that
season they would not be able to expect th...

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level of crop yields and that allowed them to
trigger the insurance basically and receiv...

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payouts which then they used to provide
alternative means of livelihoods to the...

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depended on the crops which are rainfed which
they wouldn't have so by being able to tak...

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anticipatory action they really saved a lot
in terms of a cost that they would have ha...

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then to subsidize things after the event and
really a major disruption to the lives and

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livelihoods of the people so a number of such
programs that we've put in place that our...

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states do like to leverage because they
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output that as Clint was saying takes the
best of the best and puts in the context t...

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trusted by the national entities. That's
honestly very powerful. Professor from you...

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give us an example of from the different set
of data that you deal with how data was us...

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benefit humanity. Well I think at the moment
you can discuss if it was good for the...

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not so good but 1989 the World Wide Web was
born at CERN so that was of course fantastic

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achievement I'm no longer so sure if this is
so it's I think it's good for humanity but...

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other hand it also is a challenge for
humanity to keep it under control yeah and...

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to humanity free to the society business is
why we have one web and not many different...

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which you have to pay etc so that helps of
course to communicate to exchange informat...

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it also helps to my mind at least to bring
people together yeah so I think it's a big...

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The other point is that we have learned to
work together globally in a similar way as...

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described it and I think there is essentially
nothing in the world we can solve ourselves

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alone we need to work together for me
personally the best example of working...

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data was the discovery of the Higgs boson at
the Large Hadron Collider of course so I h...

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bring in a little bit of my research. I have
a few thoughts about this. Hello there it ...

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so this is an interesting time with what's
going on and it's just a lot of thoughts...

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my head like the development of the internet
and what it became is pretty magnificent....

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interesting across our communities is that
sharing ethic is I think bred into everybody

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who applies GIS because we're all so hungry
for information and there's always at leas...

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information that we don't have and we don't
have access to it unless we know somebody ...

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we can identify what that source is and it's
just so beautiful when we can bring those...

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together that's the neat thing about GIS is
because everything's geo-referenced it's just

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this idea that layers can be brought together
in really interesting ways and some problems

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that you would never think about being kind
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like that like when the pandemic started you
know the outbreaks of COVID had started in...

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was a young man had just started his graduate
program at Johns Hopkins University and he...

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to his professor and he said my mother and
father live in China right in Wuhan. He sa...

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show my parents what's going on with COVID
and this was at a time where nobody really...

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anything but the first COVID dashboard his
professor Lauren Gardner his name is Enshe...

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of them started the Johns Hopkins dashboard
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literally two days and of course it started
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but over time that thing grew to be this
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principles that that we all learn about like
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web that's the first way they did it
eventually they went to really robust meth...

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the data and and and things like that but to
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dashboard and reporting on things is one of
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so important and interestingly that dashboard
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2020 had been viewed two trillion times it's
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dashboard to do that and what's interesting
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CDC those scientists were really focused on
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share the data with the public it's just not
what scientists do but these GIS people ca...

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created this way to reach everyone in the
world and and it kind of changed I know wh...

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the United States we were kind of brain dead
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answers and communication was just horrible
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so I think there are some examples of of
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technology about how open data can be brought
to life and be used and and make the world...

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place like like turning to the SDGs I think
that's a really big opportunity for us and...

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to be at this meeting to talk about that you
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about sharing research results and
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I work in science as well professor you as
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research results visibility especially like
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decision-maker what is the status that we see
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absolutely important but it's not only a one
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the contact to the decision makers but the
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with with researchers with the people at the
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you have to define clearly the boundaries
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there has have to be clear boundaries because
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intermixing and at that moment you introduce
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in theory the biggest problem here is the
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a scientist might understand a different con
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and even in science take social science and
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each other so that one one talks about the
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you realize that you mean the same and that
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found this amazing how this can work it's
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hard way the expressing something so that the
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what we mean and the other way around so if
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a question you have to discuss it first the
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understand something different in the
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have to develop the question and you have to
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answer them it scientifically yeah because
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scientifically so again and then in trying to
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you have to interact with the politicians
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bit the content of the question but here you
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between the science and the politicians I
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of slippery surface I mean it's clear but it
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talk and sometimes follow or usually follow
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decision without basis in from science and
research that has to be in that's great...

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talked about having conversations between
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Miss Yanna you have such experience with
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the importance of having diverse yet open
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when it comes to the advancement of
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rosy picture of data and what it's powering
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far from the ideal we have delusion abundance
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but we also have significant areas of gap
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empowerment and I think we need to be honest
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especially when it comes to actually the most
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or the small island development states or the
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the large ocean states in particular and
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and the global products don't actually
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important for us to recognize this and then
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bring that inclusivity that Her Excellency
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in our efforts of measuring monitoring
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science with knowledge with information Clint
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observatories land cover map you know there
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just take wetland monitoring programs 30 over
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wetlands but countries who are parties to the
Ramsar Convention on wetlands a great numb...

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them still do not have information on
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tells you that the system is not really
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we have on one hand proliferation of product
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opportunity that we see in geo is actually to
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different actors and entities who've done
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that haven't been addressed by this work and
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of a new solution that pieces this pieces
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view of let's say the world's ecosystems and
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all these 32 programs on wetlands another 10
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another I don't know how many of marine
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opportunity for coherence coherence in policy
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coherence in national level decisions
coherence in investments so that we can in...

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more harmonized standardized reference point
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in the process of developing this very
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force these partners to collaborate and
sometimes there's the best disruption if w...

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aim for is getting that robust collaboration
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data over areas where data has not been
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ocean states the Sentinel missions actually
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areas to conserve energy so we need to
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populations there on the ground for whom
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survival cultural survival physical survival
and so we are really excited to be conveni...

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global ecosystem we call it Atlas at the
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program that will give us real insights into
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interdependencies in near real time and
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intelligence but also with the participation
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areas and there are something very
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we even its development has to be
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live in some of those areas they use very
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machine learning and artificial intelligence
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in this room speak so to us this program that
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have the UAE to be one of the first partners
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both in data inclusivity and coherence you
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that we don't have a lot of time but mr.
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communication between different partners how
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providers and different data users that we
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minutes I first of all I really appreciate
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and I think that's really a great initiative
and we would want to be standing in suppor...

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as you were talking one of the things I was
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us have this expression sunlight is the best
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and enable other parts of the world so that
no one gets left behind everybody can can...

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to information that really helps them solve
their problems part of that is how the res...

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educational materials and and promote the
idea of learning these approaches that can...

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useful to tap into people who have experience
you know that kind of deep insight that comes

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from tough learning you know to solve tough
problems that that should be a part of tha...

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of educational perspective the things that
that one of the things that I'm really...

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about is that that focus on education and
it's interesting to me because if you look...

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look at our young children they're all
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different they have a different approach to
thinking about problems than we did when w...

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up and they're they're more prepared to take
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a certain amount of leadership and and I
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we all have to be aware of that we need to
provide thank you so much and brief thanks to

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professor and Iana as well for this
informative session unfortunately we're ou...

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learned a lot and I hope everyone enjoyed
this session thank you everyone