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Yeah, so the topic of the 15 00:00:58,740 --> 00:01:00,740 We that expiles sound like 16 00:01:01,380 --> 00:01:11,540 Yeah, yeah, I mean a very interesting topic. I think I mean I stumbled upon this because there was a CIA document circulating on the internet 17 00:01:11,540 --> 00:01:19,820 I saw several places same it was titled or the paper that that's being discussed 18 00:01:20,860 --> 00:01:22,860 Was released in 2003 19 00:01:23,460 --> 00:01:25,460 here 2003 20 00:01:26,660 --> 00:01:31,780 0910 it's Department of the Army US operational group US Army intelligence 21 00:01:33,700 --> 00:01:38,420 The subject was called analysis and assessment of gateway process and 22 00:01:40,020 --> 00:01:45,780 I hate to paper titles so much and it's written and here's the thing that the original 23 00:01:46,300 --> 00:01:52,620 This originally was funded according to this at least as early as June 1983 24 00:01:54,420 --> 00:02:01,060 And it was written by Wayne and McDonald he's a commander 25 00:02:02,380 --> 00:02:04,380 Lieutenant I don't know what MIS 26 00:02:05,460 --> 00:02:07,460 LTC 27 00:02:07,460 --> 00:02:09,460 Yeah, I don't know 28 00:02:09,460 --> 00:02:12,100 Wayne and make make all McDonald. Sorry 29 00:02:13,060 --> 00:02:16,440 And I was prepared for release because of I guess the American what is it 30 00:02:17,340 --> 00:02:22,820 American information freedom of always freedom of information act. Yeah, yeah 31 00:02:22,980 --> 00:02:24,980 in any way the the 32 00:02:25,380 --> 00:02:27,380 the whole study is 33 00:02:29,860 --> 00:02:31,860 Is basically 34 00:02:32,860 --> 00:02:35,500 How do achieve altered states of consciousness? 35 00:02:37,540 --> 00:02:42,260 And the CIA was interested in this because they were trying to 36 00:02:43,540 --> 00:02:45,540 Do surveillance on 37 00:02:46,740 --> 00:02:49,740 War on different nations and they couldn't necessarily 38 00:02:50,380 --> 00:02:52,380 Just send someone to go 39 00:02:52,380 --> 00:02:56,700 Yeah, they could necessarily such a dangerous gig right it is and like they couldn't 40 00:02:57,020 --> 00:02:59,020 They were trying to find ways to 41 00:02:59,420 --> 00:03:06,620 To spy on people without sending people on the ground and because of the cold war and the nature of that like you could literally instigate 42 00:03:07,260 --> 00:03:11,980 War if they found you do anything. Yeah, yeah, that could be a whole 43 00:03:12,860 --> 00:03:16,220 Nuclear desert I mean you have yeah, that could be a whole new war now. Yeah 44 00:03:16,700 --> 00:03:23,580 So they didn't even want to poke that hive at all so they were trying to find ways to do that and one of the ways was 45 00:03:24,540 --> 00:03:26,540 the CIA investigating 46 00:03:27,260 --> 00:03:30,300 Quorum quote what we see what we call psychics 47 00:03:31,820 --> 00:03:37,780 And the psychics is a loaded term because it's like such a goofy like concept to think about like 48 00:03:38,380 --> 00:03:40,380 Supposing MIS Cleo 49 00:03:41,180 --> 00:03:45,980 People with with superpowers or if you're Hispanic and you go up in Hispanic household 50 00:03:45,980 --> 00:03:51,480 Do you think of Walter Mercado if you know well, you know the Sunday kind of like guy who gave you 51 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:56,860 Horus scopes I heard of that guy Walter real big. Yeah, he's usually in the land community 52 00:03:56,860 --> 00:04:00,620 You know I did somebody or I think maybe bird I'm think maybe the bird Christia 53 00:04:00,620 --> 00:04:03,980 Maybe Tom my no because Thomas is manic 54 00:04:03,980 --> 00:04:07,500 Yeah, he's a huge guy but nobody who's American would know of him 55 00:04:07,980 --> 00:04:12,140 He's like he put his huge in the Latin and the Latin community. Yeah, he's huge 56 00:04:12,140 --> 00:04:15,500 I mean we're talking like millions of people the influence by this one guy 57 00:04:16,060 --> 00:04:23,740 He's a clear boy and he could tell the future he can like right and the act of it all and it's funny because like I mean sometimes 58 00:04:23,740 --> 00:04:28,780 She's he hits and sometimes he doesn't but it's like very vague. It's I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's a funny guy 59 00:04:29,980 --> 00:04:33,100 Anyway Walter Mercado shout out to him. I think he's I think he died actually, but 60 00:04:33,980 --> 00:04:35,980 She's very lives on 61 00:04:35,980 --> 00:04:37,980 Did you see that come and I wonder I know 62 00:04:38,620 --> 00:04:40,620 I'm gonna die in two weeks 63 00:04:41,500 --> 00:04:44,460 No, I wonder yeah, I wonder if he's like 64 00:04:46,060 --> 00:04:48,060 I did 65 00:04:48,380 --> 00:04:52,300 Well, you keep on going all the second series that yeah, okay anyway 66 00:04:53,580 --> 00:04:56,300 Yeah, so clear voices it's like this thing 67 00:04:57,740 --> 00:04:59,900 Or anyway, they talk about clear voices 68 00:04:59,900 --> 00:05:02,780 What's the point why what do you try to get to by the way? 69 00:05:03,260 --> 00:05:05,100 I know I'm trying to get into the bread and butter 70 00:05:05,900 --> 00:05:10,220 I want to try to get us to say the point of the podcast early on especially for this one because 71 00:05:10,700 --> 00:05:13,100 Any physicist listening yes, it's probably as dumb as you think 72 00:05:14,540 --> 00:05:17,340 But you know if you're interested into into hearing more 73 00:05:18,060 --> 00:05:26,220 Information, you know just trying to suck out. I think really the big thing I want to try to take with this podcast is trying to figure out how to how to distinguish between 74 00:05:26,780 --> 00:05:28,780 a 75 00:05:30,220 --> 00:05:37,180 Colors how to actually do good research if you're dealing with like a cult subjects or maybe like kind of mystical things 76 00:05:37,500 --> 00:05:40,540 How could you actually scientifically prove those things are bad or good? 77 00:05:41,500 --> 00:05:43,500 Yes, and 78 00:05:43,500 --> 00:05:46,940 Good have an open mind of course, right because like we talked about alien stuff which I think 79 00:05:47,580 --> 00:05:50,060 Could be one of the more legitimate 80 00:05:50,860 --> 00:05:52,860 Conspiracy things yeah 81 00:05:53,020 --> 00:05:56,700 But yeah, you have to be open minded because you just never know what's in the universe sometimes, right? 82 00:05:56,700 --> 00:06:01,740 Yeah, well, this is the thing I kind of wanted to highlight like the altered states of consciousness thing where they talk about 83 00:06:02,860 --> 00:06:05,580 Achieving states of consciousness allows them to like 84 00:06:07,980 --> 00:06:09,980 See things in 85 00:06:11,100 --> 00:06:17,500 in time or like in another time or like looking in the past or like do these things that are kind of like class or class 86 00:06:18,460 --> 00:06:26,460 So like a human is able to see and the future are seen to the past or see other regions that are far away from where they are 87 00:06:26,460 --> 00:06:31,260 Yeah, locally just with using their or just within their own minds 88 00:06:31,660 --> 00:06:35,820 Yeah, I guess you could how they're able to imagine these things is kind of the thing right anyway 89 00:06:35,820 --> 00:06:41,980 By the way, Walter Mercado is dead. He died last 2019. Oh shit. Okay. Yeah, to you 90 00:06:42,540 --> 00:06:44,540 December 2019. Yeah, two years ago 91 00:06:45,180 --> 00:06:47,420 But yeah, like a little more than you're actually 92 00:06:48,460 --> 00:06:51,660 It'd be interesting to see if you had any premonitions, but anyway 93 00:06:53,100 --> 00:06:59,340 Either what he 20 is not gonna be a good idea. Yeah, yeah, I mean, yeah, but like anyway so like we 94 00:06:59,980 --> 00:07:03,900 We just I wanted to highlight some of this stuff because yeah a lot of prominent people 95 00:07:05,100 --> 00:07:07,900 In science were look or looking at this and like 96 00:07:08,620 --> 00:07:10,620 The whole the UK has a whole 97 00:07:11,180 --> 00:07:14,780 Literally they're they're the only nation in the world that's 98 00:07:15,260 --> 00:07:17,980 Taking this seriously and they have an institution that gives out 99 00:07:18,380 --> 00:07:21,660 You have to have a whole major and you can get a PhD in Paris psychology 100 00:07:22,860 --> 00:07:26,780 Seriously yeah, yeah, okay. So they're trying to investigate this 101 00:07:28,140 --> 00:07:31,100 So serious you may ask you real quick one bullshit or not 102 00:07:33,260 --> 00:07:35,260 What do you think damn dude? 103 00:07:35,260 --> 00:07:37,980 Just right I went in I went in thinking 104 00:07:39,020 --> 00:07:40,540 No 105 00:07:40,620 --> 00:07:46,620 But there's so much bullshit. Yeah, okay. I think he needs bullshit, but then like so it means you think not bullshit now 106 00:07:47,260 --> 00:07:53,020 I think just in there's a question mark. Okay question mark because because like I really have to look at the papers, but 107 00:07:53,580 --> 00:07:58,940 You shouldn't take my word for don't take my word for it. Well, I'm gonna hopefully so I'm gonna come out and say I think bullshit 108 00:08:00,540 --> 00:08:05,180 Well, I'm just gonna I'm just gonna be so this would be a good discussion because we can both kind of argue both sides then 109 00:08:05,900 --> 00:08:08,940 Yeah, so I will say it's it's just kind of interesting to 110 00:08:09,900 --> 00:08:16,940 To sus out all this stuff. Yes, so let me are you are you finished with your point here? Should I begin talking a little bit? 111 00:08:17,500 --> 00:08:19,500 What kind of wanted to cover more of what 112 00:08:20,780 --> 00:08:26,220 What the field is the field of psychology sure sure sure so the field itself 113 00:08:27,820 --> 00:08:31,260 Was founded in the early 1800 114 00:08:31,260 --> 00:08:33,260 I'm just gonna early 115 00:08:34,700 --> 00:08:38,060 Probably though actually well maybe not well the 116 00:08:38,620 --> 00:08:44,540 Okay, so the society for psychical research in London was formed in 1882 117 00:08:46,540 --> 00:08:48,540 and 118 00:08:48,780 --> 00:08:53,340 It just there were things that people were trying to study to see like 119 00:08:54,460 --> 00:08:59,500 To study things like clairvoyance and telepathy because there were there were these things that people felt like they had 120 00:09:00,060 --> 00:09:02,060 Yeah, in some sense like 121 00:09:02,380 --> 00:09:05,980 Like people could guess to a non-random like 122 00:09:06,940 --> 00:09:10,380 In a non-random how would you say probability 123 00:09:11,420 --> 00:09:20,540 To be able to guess what's going on in somebody else's mind or had like strange intuitions and something to anyway or or preconceptions or whatever of certain events and 124 00:09:20,700 --> 00:09:24,620 They were interesting enough to where they developed the whole freaking 125 00:09:25,740 --> 00:09:34,380 Institutions studies and anywhere the paranormal code unquote. Yeah, so there's these phenomena that people are trying to understand and anyway 126 00:09:36,940 --> 00:09:44,700 That's how this field came about but then the thing that really kicked it off was the advent of quantum mechanics 127 00:09:45,740 --> 00:09:49,420 For a not around the 1920s course and there was an American 128 00:09:50,380 --> 00:09:54,620 Blame quantum for all the fucking the truth you know there yeah 129 00:09:56,300 --> 00:10:02,060 Especially with the advent of quantum mechanics because quantum mechanics was so tied at that time it was tied to like how we observe 130 00:10:02,700 --> 00:10:07,900 How we observe experiments and how we always thought of ourselves as decoupled 131 00:10:08,780 --> 00:10:17,740 From our experiments, but what some scientists were finding was that our influence on in the micro scale energy regimes was still 132 00:10:19,340 --> 00:10:22,700 It yeah, we impacted our experiments in in in our 133 00:10:23,580 --> 00:10:29,820 Our observation right I guess or measurements we should measure. Yeah, we should get people confused with the observation true 134 00:10:30,140 --> 00:10:33,180 But that's kind of how it came about and 135 00:10:34,220 --> 00:10:37,020 It's strengthened like the argument for them that 136 00:10:38,620 --> 00:10:42,140 Conscious beings kind of have a say in 137 00:10:42,700 --> 00:10:49,100 Have an impact on their external world in a way that's sort of immaterial 138 00:10:50,780 --> 00:10:53,180 Like not you know what I'm saying like 139 00:10:53,740 --> 00:10:55,180 Those are the yeah 140 00:10:55,420 --> 00:11:00,140 Immaterial meaning that like you don't necessarily like we're impacting how the energy states of 141 00:11:01,340 --> 00:11:04,540 Things behave that's kind of the take away that they had 142 00:11:05,260 --> 00:11:10,380 Okay, which are these states are still material yeah, well they're saying not matter I guess 143 00:11:11,500 --> 00:11:17,100 I mean like we like we have we have direct we have direct we can have a direct impact on our 144 00:11:17,660 --> 00:11:19,900 Current regime because we can model 145 00:11:20,540 --> 00:11:24,060 Yeah, no environment because we can hold matter in the way we want yes all that stuff 146 00:11:24,620 --> 00:11:30,540 We can also transfer energy into different states of matter. Yes, we do that with machines and whatever 147 00:11:30,860 --> 00:11:39,340 Yeah, and yeah like we we can do that already, but I think quantum mechanics just kind of made them all be so like how would you say 148 00:11:41,740 --> 00:11:43,740 It get it open the door for 149 00:11:43,740 --> 00:11:50,220 This is a mysticism essentially. Yeah, because it's so weird because it's strange. Yeah, it defies intuition. Yes 150 00:11:50,780 --> 00:11:52,780 That we are not accustomed to 151 00:11:53,100 --> 00:11:55,100 Anyway, yeah, I'm sitting on 152 00:11:56,540 --> 00:12:03,980 So this is the history so yeah, this is a history so I'm just telling you why it exists and stuff like that and then and then sure enough like in the future 153 00:12:04,700 --> 00:12:08,300 The American intelligence agencies are trying to develop ways to 154 00:12:08,860 --> 00:12:10,860 spy on their enemies and 155 00:12:11,260 --> 00:12:15,660 So size one of these things psis one of these things that 156 00:12:16,620 --> 00:12:22,300 They started coming up with and trying to categorize this phenomena and then then finding 157 00:12:22,780 --> 00:12:28,380 tools that had this sort of non-stochastic kind of like non-random 158 00:12:29,580 --> 00:12:33,260 Chance or probability of predicting things that they shouldn't have known 159 00:12:35,020 --> 00:12:40,700 Just weird statistical variances that kind of had scientists scratching their heads 160 00:12:40,700 --> 00:12:47,100 Right right and and in some sense they're still this is what this is why I'm like I was like wow 161 00:12:47,100 --> 00:12:49,500 Okay, this is kind of compelling evidence, but I don't know 162 00:12:50,300 --> 00:12:56,620 It's not enough to draw like draw universal statements. Yeah, well the thing is let me just jump it now 163 00:12:56,620 --> 00:13:01,020 So I did some research on this as well and I was thinking okay, what was this statistical 164 00:13:02,060 --> 00:13:10,620 Evidence or what was the significant evidence in this procedure and I was looking it up and the seem the main 165 00:13:12,060 --> 00:13:13,260 The 166 00:13:13,260 --> 00:13:14,060 Main 167 00:13:14,060 --> 00:13:17,020 Remote viewing experiments were done by a guy named 168 00:13:17,900 --> 00:13:23,420 So remote viewing by the way is what what would you say? So remote viewing if you ever seen stranger things is basically what a 169 00:13:23,420 --> 00:13:26,380 11 was able to do when she would go into her little 170 00:13:28,060 --> 00:13:32,940 Into our little black space where she would be able to see like my this is a perfect example of stranger 171 00:13:32,940 --> 00:13:39,660 Things is literally a show. Yeah, it's literally remote viewing. Yeah, so she was able she's able to see people in events 172 00:13:40,060 --> 00:13:44,220 Just in her minds I of course three mode viewing as we know in reality 173 00:13:44,300 --> 00:13:49,260 What I'm quote is I don't think it's that precise where she's actually seeing where you can actually see 174 00:13:49,980 --> 00:13:51,980 events clearly 175 00:13:51,980 --> 00:13:53,980 At least from the research, but 176 00:13:54,860 --> 00:13:59,180 Well here yeah, sure, so and this is also one of the reasons why 177 00:13:59,980 --> 00:14:04,540 This only this research only occurred for 20 years because once technology got so good 178 00:14:05,980 --> 00:14:08,380 There was no use there was no need to use a satellite 179 00:14:08,380 --> 00:14:10,380 It's usually not always 180 00:14:10,780 --> 00:14:17,580 Ultimate clarity. Yeah, this is why like that that's why you you had you had certain individuals apparently that had this like 181 00:14:18,220 --> 00:14:19,580 Extra sensory 182 00:14:19,580 --> 00:14:24,300 Ability I guess like that we that guess the scientists didn't understand like what the hell is going on 183 00:14:26,060 --> 00:14:31,500 And it's dramatized on ancient TV shows or movies like things like this where yeah, or the men who stare 184 00:14:31,500 --> 00:14:36,300 Go to another right right that's a little bit older. I'm not sure how many of the audience would know that 185 00:14:36,380 --> 00:14:41,740 Yeah, that's actually that's actually the that movies actually based around these events at me in water 186 00:14:41,740 --> 00:14:43,740 discussing with the CIA right now 187 00:14:44,140 --> 00:14:47,100 But anyway, with the remote viewing stuff 188 00:14:48,140 --> 00:14:51,500 statistical evidence they were claiming was that 189 00:14:52,780 --> 00:14:54,780 a certain number of times 190 00:14:55,020 --> 00:14:57,020 the 191 00:14:57,580 --> 00:14:59,580 People under experiment would hit 192 00:14:59,660 --> 00:15:04,860 Descriptions of of places that they would say 193 00:15:05,340 --> 00:15:10,380 Apparently with a statistically significant amount of times yeah, unfortunately 194 00:15:10,460 --> 00:15:17,020 I don't think I can agree with that because I looked at some of the experiments they do and what they basically do is for example 195 00:15:17,020 --> 00:15:19,020 There was one experiment 196 00:15:19,020 --> 00:15:21,020 Actually maybe would help if I just read it 197 00:15:21,020 --> 00:15:23,020 Yeah, yeah, that's a good idea 198 00:15:23,020 --> 00:15:25,020 We just had an airplane fly over 199 00:15:25,740 --> 00:15:31,020 I don't think the audience would actually really hear because it cuts out a lot of the audio when we do it on the 200 00:15:32,140 --> 00:15:34,940 On premiere good stuff so like um 201 00:15:35,980 --> 00:15:40,860 Yeah, yeah, it's just very interesting for me coming into this because I started seeing a lot of 202 00:15:42,540 --> 00:15:45,180 media that had this kind of 203 00:15:46,860 --> 00:15:51,020 That that kind of looked at this experiment in the 80s and in the 90s that 204 00:15:52,220 --> 00:15:54,220 that 205 00:15:54,220 --> 00:15:59,740 That just seems so out of this world like just seems so ridiculous and I just can't believe that 206 00:16:00,540 --> 00:16:06,780 People are legitimately studying this right even trying to I guess because they're trying to explain 207 00:16:07,820 --> 00:16:10,780 Some of that's statistical variance that they see 208 00:16:11,420 --> 00:16:16,380 That's outside of probability outside of randomness is what they say 209 00:16:17,980 --> 00:16:24,060 Which that's really the only way they're able to get funding. I'm gonna be honest with you because they're showing data plots of 210 00:16:24,220 --> 00:16:26,220 Stuff like this 211 00:16:26,220 --> 00:16:30,220 That it's convincing government scientists to give them money 212 00:16:32,140 --> 00:16:34,140 But but here's the thing 213 00:16:34,140 --> 00:16:39,740 What this you'll taxpayers money almost to well here's the thing it's it's there's there's data 214 00:16:41,100 --> 00:16:45,900 There's data like you're so like you're about to show now go ahead. Yeah, so let me just read so this is coming from 215 00:16:46,540 --> 00:16:48,540 skeptic 216 00:16:48,940 --> 00:16:53,180 Let's get let's like skeptic get started with a T it's with a D 217 00:16:54,700 --> 00:16:59,020 Tera says did you type in Google remote viewing debunked of course? Yeah 218 00:17:00,140 --> 00:17:02,140 You know it's the first thing I definitely typed it 219 00:17:04,140 --> 00:17:07,900 That's our skeptical bro you're just you just take it one point of view no 220 00:17:08,460 --> 00:17:12,940 That's one of many searches. Okay, good from skeptic.com it says 221 00:17:13,660 --> 00:17:20,380 The process of evaluation by Paris psychologist of a hit for remote viewing is similar to that used in the may- 222 00:17:21,100 --> 00:17:23,580 May-manides dream telepathy experiments 223 00:17:24,300 --> 00:17:27,980 If an occasional description seems apt to the target that's a hit 224 00:17:28,620 --> 00:17:35,660 If it isn't exploit the ambiguity of the descriptions or reverte to allow and symbolic connections and that's also a hit 225 00:17:36,380 --> 00:17:39,740 In other words a hit a hit and so is a mess 226 00:17:40,060 --> 00:17:47,900 I don't know what that means in fact, there is no precise clear cut definition of what will count as a hit before the test begins 227 00:17:48,860 --> 00:17:52,700 That's actually a very key point that I wanted to point out because when they were doing these experiments 228 00:17:52,700 --> 00:17:59,020 This is this is I don't know if this is the Jessica. It's one or if this is the targ and um put how put off ones 229 00:18:00,620 --> 00:18:04,540 Oh and by the way how put off you might recognize a name. He's also the guy who 230 00:18:05,500 --> 00:18:08,700 Inspired some of self-autory pices work if you've 231 00:18:09,260 --> 00:18:17,660 Saw us yeah, you've seen us talk about some of the UFO stuff and he's also involved in a bunch of Paris psychology UFO like all this kind of 232 00:18:18,220 --> 00:18:20,220 Colty type stuff 233 00:18:20,220 --> 00:18:25,900 Bad sign and also how put off to mention again this so how put off I'm getting so sidetracked 234 00:18:25,900 --> 00:18:31,020 But how put off and Russell Targ with the two guys who basically started off the whole reviving thing 235 00:18:31,500 --> 00:18:34,700 There was another guy ego. Well, no, they got some popularized 236 00:18:35,260 --> 00:18:38,220 Yeah, I wouldn't say they still yeah, because it existed before this 237 00:18:38,300 --> 00:18:44,940 But they were the ones that got it really the ball rolling yeah, because they they were trying to do statistical analysis on like some of this stuff 238 00:18:44,940 --> 00:18:51,340 Yeah, trying but they were the ones that got the CIA experiments to happen as well because CIA became interested because of how put off and 239 00:18:51,340 --> 00:18:54,460 Targ experiments true true so how put off 240 00:18:55,100 --> 00:19:01,900 Also was this guy as a guy who was in Scientology for yeah for for a big chunk of his life 241 00:19:02,060 --> 00:19:05,980 Yeah, and he actually leaf breached the highest levels of Scientology as a 242 00:19:06,220 --> 00:19:08,940 OT seven at the time which is the highest level then 243 00:19:09,740 --> 00:19:17,900 So let's just say that the man is a very big history of a cult beliefs. Yeah, well, Targ to to kind of like interject to Targ is a 244 00:19:18,780 --> 00:19:24,300 Is a physicist by trade so it's how put off as well, but then but then like 245 00:19:24,860 --> 00:19:27,180 But he's a lot older though, then how good right? 246 00:19:27,820 --> 00:19:31,020 Tarsher I think he's because he's still alive, but like 247 00:19:32,140 --> 00:19:34,140 Targ is I think 248 00:19:34,140 --> 00:19:36,140 of 249 00:19:36,140 --> 00:19:40,780 I think he's a condensed matter physicist and apparently he came into this because 250 00:19:42,060 --> 00:19:44,060 Because he wanted he wanted to get money 251 00:19:45,180 --> 00:19:48,220 Seems legit but he didn't seem but he didn't seem 252 00:19:48,220 --> 00:19:54,620 What happens when he don't pay signs as well, but he was apparently skeptical until he started seeing some of the evidence 253 00:19:54,620 --> 00:19:57,900 It was sort of collecting some of the data and he was just like okay all right 254 00:19:57,900 --> 00:20:02,220 I don't know how to explain this, but it's happening well let's go back to my last point so it says 255 00:20:03,100 --> 00:20:07,180 To read that question again in other words a hit is a hit and so it was a miss in fact 256 00:20:07,180 --> 00:20:11,580 There is no precise clear it's got definition of what will count as a hit before the test begins 257 00:20:11,580 --> 00:20:17,580 This is a very critical thing because tell your defining the target. Yeah, this is this is what is such an easy thing to fall into 258 00:20:17,820 --> 00:20:22,060 Conformation bias if you're not defining before the experiment begins what a hit is 259 00:20:22,620 --> 00:20:25,660 meaning like what is statistically counting as 260 00:20:26,540 --> 00:20:28,780 This is a parapsychological thing 261 00:20:29,740 --> 00:20:35,260 Then you can just make up whatever fits the bill and this is what they were saying was when I looked at some of the experiments 262 00:20:35,740 --> 00:20:39,580 The guy would say so let's say make make money go was one of their a guy named 263 00:20:39,580 --> 00:20:42,540 Make money go was one of their a clear of one and so whatever 264 00:20:43,020 --> 00:20:49,260 He would describe a scenery so what would happen is actually let me continue on yeah, because I think they actually describe what it is 265 00:20:50,620 --> 00:20:52,620 the experiment so 266 00:20:52,700 --> 00:20:55,740 Hmm 267 00:20:55,740 --> 00:21:01,820 Sorry, let me just try to find this one. It's kind of long. Yeah, well, let me just interject here with uh targ stuff 268 00:21:02,220 --> 00:21:05,580 So targ is an interesting oh, I got it. I got it. Sorry. Okay, so says 269 00:21:07,420 --> 00:21:09,420 Okay, so it says 270 00:21:09,660 --> 00:21:15,100 A researcher Rachel Kauron photographs six locations in the San Francisco Bay area 271 00:21:15,740 --> 00:21:20,060 And gives the photos to a lawyer who puts them in sets of six numbered evalopes 272 00:21:20,780 --> 00:21:22,780 And locks them in on a file cabinet 273 00:21:23,180 --> 00:21:29,980 The locations are this is targ experiment by the way. Okay, this is targ's yeah, okay. You know this one. I know this one. Okay, so 274 00:21:30,380 --> 00:21:37,500 The locations are a yacht marina. Yeah, a rock quarry a giant red wood tree the Stanford University football stadium 275 00:21:37,900 --> 00:21:41,180 The Palo Alto airport and the Dumb Barton bridge 276 00:21:42,060 --> 00:21:47,420 When the test is to begin the lawyers open the filing cabinet and tell us nobody had access but him 277 00:21:47,980 --> 00:21:54,140 He rolls a die to select one of the six envelopes and hands a numbered elephant position is unopened to Rachel 278 00:21:55,580 --> 00:21:59,020 He leaves her and she opens the envelope sees the pictures 279 00:21:59,660 --> 00:22:06,460 She took of the Dumb Barton bridge so this is one of the locations on the envelopes chosen randomly apparently 280 00:22:07,580 --> 00:22:11,660 And drives to that location she has to be a beacon for the remote viewer 281 00:22:11,820 --> 00:22:13,820 Megmonical and may 282 00:22:13,820 --> 00:22:15,580 Meet at May's office 283 00:22:15,580 --> 00:22:20,320 We are to believe that May has not looked at the pictures and doesn't know where the other researcher is when Joe 284 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:25,820 Megmonical is trying to use his powers remote viewing to see what the beacon see what the beacon is seeing 285 00:22:25,820 --> 00:22:27,820 Which is Rachel in this scenario 286 00:22:28,380 --> 00:22:31,780 So Rachel is the beacon Megmonical is the remote viewer 287 00:22:33,020 --> 00:22:39,900 Joe draws pictures and talks out loud while Ed sits across the table from him occasionally showing a picture of Rachel towards him 288 00:22:40,460 --> 00:22:42,460 That's the get his juices flowing I guess 289 00:22:46,460 --> 00:22:48,460 I'm sorry I'm trying to be on vice 290 00:22:48,460 --> 00:22:56,780 So funny though it is somebody's a train is really good. He really all make monogles supposedly knows about Rachel's whereabouts is that she is somewhere in the Bay area 291 00:22:57,500 --> 00:23:01,180 Here are Joe's psychic compression so it gives a list of what he wrote down or drew 292 00:23:02,140 --> 00:23:04,140 He drew a half arch 293 00:23:04,540 --> 00:23:06,540 Something dark about it 294 00:23:06,860 --> 00:23:14,700 Darkness a feeling she had to park somewhere and had to go through a tunnel or something a walkway of some kind and overpass 295 00:23:15,660 --> 00:23:17,660 There's an abutment way up over her head 296 00:23:18,460 --> 00:23:20,460 We have a garden. It's a formal garden 297 00:23:21,420 --> 00:23:23,420 formal garden gets passed 298 00:23:23,980 --> 00:23:25,980 Open area in the center 299 00:23:25,980 --> 00:23:27,980 trees 300 00:23:27,980 --> 00:23:29,980 Some kind of artwork in the center 301 00:23:29,980 --> 00:23:31,980 This artwork is very bizarre 302 00:23:32,700 --> 00:23:34,700 Set and gravel stone 303 00:23:35,580 --> 00:23:37,580 One of these items is relevant 304 00:23:38,940 --> 00:23:43,100 So of all that in the list the only thing that was relevant was one thing the abutment overhead 305 00:23:43,580 --> 00:23:47,020 The rest have to be stretched quite a bit to fit the fit the place 306 00:23:47,340 --> 00:23:52,780 Yeah, the viewing area for done-bard bridge never the less is Ed near his location and driven under the overpass 307 00:23:53,580 --> 00:23:57,580 He declares now I understand what I was seeing that's exactly what I was seeing 308 00:23:58,780 --> 00:24:02,700 Rachel's looking out at the bay there's no half arch nothing dark about the place 309 00:24:02,780 --> 00:24:07,420 She didn't have to park anywhere or go anywhere in any tunnels or walkways to get to where she wanted 310 00:24:08,140 --> 00:24:13,260 She drove right to the viewing area. There were no gardens or trees no open area in the center no artwork 311 00:24:13,500 --> 00:24:18,140 bizarre or none or otherwise but but more formic monocled this was a bullseye 312 00:24:19,820 --> 00:24:23,580 His descriptions don't seem particularly apt for any of the six possible choices 313 00:24:24,060 --> 00:24:27,580 He's clearly not describing Marina choreo redwood tree or an airport 314 00:24:27,900 --> 00:24:30,780 They said we might find an arch in an abutment in a football stadium 315 00:24:30,940 --> 00:24:33,340 There might even be trees outside the stadium in the university 316 00:24:34,540 --> 00:24:36,140 Blotty blotty blotty blotty blotty blotty blotty blotty so 317 00:24:37,020 --> 00:24:41,980 There has bound to be our work on the campus maybe bizarre monocled he says I wonder if he'd been taken to the football and 318 00:24:42,540 --> 00:24:44,540 Estatium instead of the dumbbard and bridge 319 00:24:46,780 --> 00:24:50,700 Would he have what he have said now understand what I was getting that's exactly what I was seeing 320 00:24:51,100 --> 00:24:52,300 We'll never know 321 00:24:52,300 --> 00:24:53,980 We do know that Ed 322 00:24:53,980 --> 00:24:54,620 May 323 00:24:54,620 --> 00:24:58,700 Took the pictures from the duplicate set of envelopes and guess what the target for dim barren and 324 00:24:59,340 --> 00:25:01,660 Guess the target was dumb barren bridge 325 00:25:03,260 --> 00:25:06,780 What are we meant to make of that lucky guess cheating he's a psychic 326 00:25:10,140 --> 00:25:15,740 So that's basically the crux of it. Yeah, there's no definition of a hit and when you list 327 00:25:16,220 --> 00:25:19,660 10 things but only one of them hits just they'll count as a bullseye 328 00:25:19,660 --> 00:25:21,660 Yeah, so it's such a big stretch 329 00:25:22,140 --> 00:25:27,420 Another experiment was with a guy named early irrie geller did you see this guy at all in your research one? 330 00:25:27,420 --> 00:25:33,100 Yeah, yeah, so yeah, irrie geller is I think probably what the movie men their stare goats is based around 331 00:25:33,500 --> 00:25:37,740 He was a really big psychic in around the time of this remote viewing stuff and he kind of was one of the guys 332 00:25:37,740 --> 00:25:39,260 He got it's kicked off 333 00:25:39,660 --> 00:25:43,420 Yeah, because he's one of the guys hit the big statistical significant marks 334 00:25:43,660 --> 00:25:47,820 Yeah, and the CIA were the ones who was actually controlling the experiments with this guy 335 00:25:48,620 --> 00:25:52,140 In irrie geller basically claims via psychic has a bunch of other 336 00:25:52,940 --> 00:25:55,580 Fantasical feet he can do apparently and 337 00:25:57,020 --> 00:25:59,020 Yeah, this guy 338 00:26:00,540 --> 00:26:04,060 Is he the one that hit that target for Jimmy Carter something we're trying to locate a 339 00:26:05,980 --> 00:26:09,980 Some target some lost carrier in Africa I think I 340 00:26:10,860 --> 00:26:17,260 Didn't read it. I know I think there was like one is seen something there was one thing there was one event that 341 00:26:17,900 --> 00:26:25,740 Still kept them pumping money into this project and it was like because they they hit sometimes 342 00:26:26,300 --> 00:26:29,260 I don't know who some people would hit the mark sometimes it would be 343 00:26:30,540 --> 00:26:35,100 Because like there's no reason why the government's not gonna pump money into something that doesn't work 344 00:26:35,660 --> 00:26:42,300 You know what I mean they can they can they can they can they can they can see that happening for more than four years or something like the 345 00:26:42,300 --> 00:26:44,060 Extension of the contract well, this is the thing 346 00:26:44,460 --> 00:26:49,260 Irrie geller had a background as an illusionist yeah, yeah, and they had a guy come in 347 00:26:49,260 --> 00:26:53,420 I think the guy was named James Randy and there's another guy for it also from a very familiar 348 00:26:53,420 --> 00:26:56,620 Yeah, I think he was also had background in big amigician or something as well 349 00:26:56,620 --> 00:27:00,460 I don't know if that was James Randy or maybe the other guy but the people who were who could see 350 00:27:00,860 --> 00:27:03,740 one of the guys was relaying that said when he saw Irrie gellers 351 00:27:05,180 --> 00:27:10,620 Feets he knew what he was doing yeah, and when Irrie geller would get something right 352 00:27:10,620 --> 00:27:11,900 He would also get it right 353 00:27:12,380 --> 00:27:14,380 What does that mean because 354 00:27:14,620 --> 00:27:21,100 Let's say Irrie geller needed to draw a picture right yeah one of the big hits with Irrie geller was he drew a picture of like a planer like some graves or something 355 00:27:21,100 --> 00:27:25,740 They matched closely to what the image was but the thing is the people who have to draw it 356 00:27:25,900 --> 00:27:33,580 Where he's trying to remove view it would do these big they'd have to do big exaggerated drawings and then he could actually see what they were doing and could 357 00:27:34,140 --> 00:27:35,580 Reproduce the picture 358 00:27:35,580 --> 00:27:38,780 But when but one doesn't make any sense one the movements were too subtle 359 00:27:39,260 --> 00:27:42,700 He wouldn't be his vision would be clouded and he couldn't see what was happening 360 00:27:42,700 --> 00:27:46,860 Which does that mean meaning like if let's say you're the experiment or trying 361 00:27:47,260 --> 00:27:52,620 So I draw a picture and you're trying to guess what it is yeah, or I'm trying to visualize what it is 362 00:27:52,780 --> 00:27:57,980 Yeah, the draw or what have to draw picture would draw pictures big enough to where he could like sensitive 363 00:27:57,980 --> 00:27:59,980 That's the only way he could visualize 364 00:27:59,980 --> 00:28:02,780 But the guy who was also there looking at this 365 00:28:03,340 --> 00:28:11,340 Sol that he could also guess the same pictures because the armov is so obvious and he'd a background and being an illusionist as well 366 00:28:11,980 --> 00:28:17,340 Oh, so they could see somebody in the other side of the room. Yeah for this arm this particular one 367 00:28:17,340 --> 00:28:21,260 Sometimes they would have them shielded sometimes there would be another place is but then they of course 368 00:28:21,660 --> 00:28:24,300 Somehow the drawings didn't match at all when that was the case 369 00:28:26,380 --> 00:28:29,740 But when the drawings and things were in proximity then there would be hits some time 370 00:28:30,620 --> 00:28:32,060 so 371 00:28:32,140 --> 00:28:36,700 This is how you don't try to not fool yourself in experiments. Yeah, they're really good. Sure. Every variable 372 00:28:37,500 --> 00:28:41,260 But anyway, yeah, so he would be able to guess these things and he said that yeah, basically when Eury Galler 373 00:28:41,260 --> 00:28:48,300 We're guessing he would also be able to guess it when Eury Galler's vision was clouded he also was he couldn't see what it was either because it wasn't obvious 374 00:28:48,300 --> 00:28:49,900 Yeah 375 00:28:49,900 --> 00:28:56,620 But then the other thing is people would abstract things from Eury Galler's images like with one CIA experiment the 376 00:28:57,100 --> 00:29:01,580 CIA guy in a in a in a far off location drew a picture of a devil 377 00:29:02,060 --> 00:29:05,820 But then Eury Galler I think is another tactic they use is they draw a lot of pictures 378 00:29:06,140 --> 00:29:10,460 To try to get at least one hidden there. Gotcha. He drew a bunch of things. They were like biblical symbols 379 00:29:11,020 --> 00:29:15,260 Coinsidentally and they said oh, maybe it was he was getting something that was related to 380 00:29:15,500 --> 00:29:18,700 The devil picture, but it had to maybe do with his upbringing 381 00:29:18,700 --> 00:29:20,860 He didn't want to draw the devil or something. It was such weird 382 00:29:21,900 --> 00:29:28,140 rationalization yeah, and this is what battery churches. Yes, you can't start extrapolating 383 00:29:28,700 --> 00:29:34,460 Things when you don't have any kind of clear metrics science is done with very precise tools and a very precise 384 00:29:35,020 --> 00:29:43,020 Measurements yeah, you can't just start adding on qualitative explanation to things after interpreting the data to fit your own. Yes 385 00:29:43,660 --> 00:29:51,180 Yeah, but biases you also need good controls. They didn't have good controls one of the other flaws within the target put put put off a lot of these 386 00:29:51,180 --> 00:29:54,780 Experiences I've seen is the controls. Yeah, they have a bad 387 00:29:55,740 --> 00:30:01,500 Right and one of the big ones in the how put off experiment also was they gave images to the 388 00:30:02,540 --> 00:30:06,620 To the viewer whatever that had like dates and locations and stuff on there 389 00:30:06,620 --> 00:30:11,100 That were biasing the results again and then they were getting these crazy like 80% hit yeah, right 390 00:30:11,100 --> 00:30:15,500 Yeah, one of the most famous ones I think like was the 391 00:30:17,180 --> 00:30:20,860 What was the one where Russell and Emmittargan put off were 392 00:30:21,820 --> 00:30:30,780 Were they sent a person out to drive and and just drive anywhere anywhere and then six locations, but 393 00:30:30,860 --> 00:30:34,780 had to be six locations, but any and anywhere in particular yeah, and so 394 00:30:36,860 --> 00:30:43,980 Targeted with send the room with put off and then they put a target didn't know this as well and they said they sat in a 395 00:30:44,460 --> 00:30:45,660 Faraday cage 396 00:30:45,660 --> 00:30:47,260 Yeah 397 00:30:47,340 --> 00:30:50,940 To try to try to sort of sus out any kind of like 398 00:30:51,340 --> 00:30:54,860 Traumagnetic waves because eating the signal yeah and like 399 00:30:55,740 --> 00:31:02,620 Wall to to try to convince because they published this in itrabley I think whatever. Yeah, it was and and like 400 00:31:03,580 --> 00:31:08,060 And they try to sus out any any sort of communication that came in from there or anything 401 00:31:09,500 --> 00:31:11,500 Or any radio signals or anything like that 402 00:31:11,900 --> 00:31:16,140 So anyway, they sent this person out this person went to six locations or something 403 00:31:16,700 --> 00:31:23,020 Took pictures and Russell and or Targ in put off were trying to 404 00:31:23,740 --> 00:31:29,660 Well Targ was recording what put off was seeing and they went to these locations and 405 00:31:30,780 --> 00:31:32,780 There was some correlation 406 00:31:34,060 --> 00:31:38,380 Above the normal variants, but the thing is the person that they had 407 00:31:39,260 --> 00:31:42,540 Confirm the data or confirm the the pictures 408 00:31:43,500 --> 00:31:49,580 Was they apparently put it in the order that's when I was yeah, yeah, that's put it in the order that was like 409 00:31:49,980 --> 00:31:56,540 That was the order that they went into or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so it's like come on guys like that's the thing is like when you're 410 00:31:56,540 --> 00:32:00,060 Controls are bad of course you're gonna have statistical and nobley's yeah, and statistical 411 00:32:01,260 --> 00:32:07,180 Relivance it's like yeah, we all it's always coincidental how all these Paris psychology experiments are so significant 412 00:32:07,180 --> 00:32:14,540 Statistical when the controls are fucked up. Yeah, and their margins are so small like they're like five or five percent or something 413 00:32:15,260 --> 00:32:21,900 Like that that's like okay five to 10 percent that's like enough to where your own error could have influenced yeah 414 00:32:22,860 --> 00:32:27,900 The results so it was actually interesting to note funny by the CIA too. They noted that 415 00:32:28,540 --> 00:32:36,700 When the surveyer was too skeptical the results were never significant they said so we need to they need to have people who believe that the same time 416 00:32:37,180 --> 00:32:43,180 In Paris psychology to make this statistic that was something well they that's actually that was interesting 417 00:32:43,260 --> 00:32:45,820 Like the interesting didn't it came about that was the 418 00:32:46,780 --> 00:32:50,700 That's a whole phenomenon now what is that's called the sheep 419 00:32:51,420 --> 00:32:52,700 Go defect 420 00:32:52,700 --> 00:32:57,660 It's apparently where they noticed that people that didn't believe in in a certain thing 421 00:32:58,460 --> 00:33:00,940 They they did worse than random right 422 00:33:01,900 --> 00:33:07,020 That's like that's like that's interesting no, it is interesting, but like the people that did believe in it 423 00:33:07,740 --> 00:33:15,820 Did did normal or did average usually what is worse than random mean means like you literally do worse in random like you're you're 424 00:33:15,820 --> 00:33:17,820 You're sabotaging yourself 425 00:33:17,820 --> 00:33:21,820 Like you know what I mean like okay, I have to see what the experiment is like yes, yeah the good 426 00:33:22,060 --> 00:33:25,820 Look it up. It's goat sheep effect and and it's apparently the psychological thing 427 00:33:25,820 --> 00:33:29,420 It's almost like the opposite oh, I guess where some random people might get some things right 428 00:33:29,580 --> 00:33:31,900 Yeah, but then the people who don't believe it all just get nothing right 429 00:33:32,460 --> 00:33:36,140 But it's like it's like you know the answer sheet and you cut 430 00:33:36,140 --> 00:33:37,740 He just answer everything wrong 431 00:33:37,980 --> 00:33:39,660 That's apparently when your Christmas string 432 00:33:40,220 --> 00:33:42,220 Yeah, yeah exactly it's like 433 00:33:42,460 --> 00:33:46,300 But it was interesting because it's like the opposite the placebo effect on yeah 434 00:33:46,540 --> 00:33:51,980 It's interesting. It's one um, but that's what they were observing and they were like well and that the other thing is that it's 435 00:33:52,300 --> 00:33:55,500 You got to get people that believe in it apparently which is like so silly 436 00:33:55,500 --> 00:33:57,900 All right, that's a science that's a red flag 437 00:33:57,900 --> 00:34:02,220 I science that's another key indicators. One of the other things I said about this is 438 00:34:02,860 --> 00:34:05,500 The results need to be interpreted by 439 00:34:05,660 --> 00:34:10,220 What's his name Targer something because he was the one who knew the person in the experiment 440 00:34:10,220 --> 00:34:12,220 He knew he knows what he meant 441 00:34:12,220 --> 00:34:17,660 Anytime you're scientific but anytime you're scientific claim hinges upon someone else having to interpret it 442 00:34:18,060 --> 00:34:20,780 Interpret it you've already done bad science 443 00:34:20,780 --> 00:34:25,180 Yeah, yeah, like science doesn't mean it doesn't need to have a certain particular person to interpret things 444 00:34:25,180 --> 00:34:29,980 Yeah, like that's not how it works. Yeah, you need to have an a replica couple a real 445 00:34:30,380 --> 00:34:35,260 Replicable data that can be done independently. Yeah, that's one of the corner stones of scientific 446 00:34:37,820 --> 00:34:42,540 Experiment or anything yeah, so it's like this is not science. This is just basically bullshitty 447 00:34:47,660 --> 00:34:50,860 Paranormal stuff. It's this is this is not the rumble of science. I was like 448 00:34:51,340 --> 00:34:56,140 Sad to see that put off went this way because I saw his research papers before the 1970s were like 449 00:34:56,540 --> 00:35:02,060 legit physics and then all of a sudden it just went down crazy batshit lane as soon as 1993 hit 450 00:35:03,580 --> 00:35:05,660 And it was just all bunch of crazy shit. I was like damn 451 00:35:06,620 --> 00:35:11,980 How do you not learn this stuff when you're a physicist like he should be passes already, but 452 00:35:12,860 --> 00:35:15,580 Just shows you guys like even physicists are not immune to 453 00:35:17,100 --> 00:35:19,100 You know immune to 454 00:35:19,260 --> 00:35:23,500 Magical thinking but that's why the beauty of science is it cuts past those little 455 00:35:24,220 --> 00:35:26,780 Flalls of people by requiring these things like replet 456 00:35:27,500 --> 00:35:33,900 Repertial disability, you know controlling your variables properly. Yeah, good statistical data analysis like 457 00:35:34,460 --> 00:35:37,740 All these things are there to prevent things just like this 458 00:35:39,020 --> 00:35:42,940 But then of course the military I think being involved. They don't know shit or like CIA 459 00:35:42,940 --> 00:35:44,940 They don't know how to do experimental 460 00:35:44,940 --> 00:35:46,940 They're not scientifically literate 461 00:35:46,940 --> 00:35:48,940 So that even made me 462 00:35:49,180 --> 00:35:54,540 Realize oh this is how savetory pious could get away with this kind of stuff of ease UFO patents because 463 00:35:55,900 --> 00:35:59,100 These military guys don't understand how to be scientifically literate 464 00:35:59,340 --> 00:36:01,340 It's like you kind of forget sometimes 465 00:36:01,900 --> 00:36:03,500 How much you can actually dop 466 00:36:04,380 --> 00:36:09,820 Non-scientist in this way yeah, which I thought was very interesting and actually made me think okay this is how 467 00:36:10,780 --> 00:36:13,500 It may be realized this is how savetory pious could actually 468 00:36:14,140 --> 00:36:17,980 Get away with some of those claims of being able to build a room temperature super conductor and 469 00:36:18,380 --> 00:36:19,580 You know 470 00:36:19,580 --> 00:36:23,580 catch people and or or full people into this 471 00:36:25,420 --> 00:36:28,540 Dying into this stuff. I don't understand the scientific method yeah 472 00:36:29,660 --> 00:36:33,980 But yeah, you're going to get a full the whole CIA into conducting research for decades 473 00:36:34,540 --> 00:36:36,700 Yeah, decades of wasting money and that's 474 00:36:37,500 --> 00:36:39,500 It was decades right? 475 00:36:39,500 --> 00:36:44,300 Yes, like 20 years oh my god 20 years imagine 20 million dollars 20 476 00:36:44,380 --> 00:36:50,460 That's it yeah, I said 20 million dollars bro still wait inflation that's like at least double true 477 00:36:51,180 --> 00:36:59,420 Imagine wasting 20 years on a Paris psychology experiment. I mean like I I think the CIA had a couple hits 478 00:36:59,420 --> 00:37:03,980 They were like very that were publicized with one I like I'm referencing the Jimmy card one 479 00:37:05,340 --> 00:37:12,780 The hits I think are very coincidental, but yeah, and there's a lot of there's a lot of weird coincidence that you could say that that's 480 00:37:13,740 --> 00:37:18,380 That it's like okay that and it's always interesting how when you control the variables 481 00:37:18,380 --> 00:37:23,500 Then the stony if this statistical nature of it or is this statistical significance goes down 482 00:37:23,980 --> 00:37:29,340 Yeah, all of the experiments that were done that accounted for the controls didn't show any significant results 483 00:37:30,700 --> 00:37:33,980 So if like that's what it is and that's what it is like that's real science 484 00:37:34,780 --> 00:37:41,580 Yeah, what's interesting is so so what's what's interesting is that there are still scientists 485 00:37:41,900 --> 00:37:49,180 There's one famous American physicist okay, let's still studying this is name is Garrett model 486 00:37:50,220 --> 00:37:51,900 GA RRET 487 00:37:52,140 --> 00:37:54,140 M-O-D-D-E-L 488 00:37:54,140 --> 00:37:57,180 Okay, he's he's basically a 489 00:37:58,700 --> 00:38:00,860 Physics professor at the University of Colorado Boulder 490 00:38:02,060 --> 00:38:06,540 He's carried out experiments in this experimental psychology 491 00:38:06,540 --> 00:38:08,540 This 492 00:38:08,540 --> 00:38:12,540 Psychology quote unquote research and remote viewing apparently and 493 00:38:13,500 --> 00:38:21,660 He will here's here's some of his credentials. He's he's an electrical engineer. It's he got a degree in electrical engineering at Stanford 494 00:38:23,420 --> 00:38:25,420 And a PhD from Harvard 495 00:38:26,620 --> 00:38:30,380 in physics and now he's a professor at the University of Colorado 496 00:38:32,620 --> 00:38:34,620 and 497 00:38:34,620 --> 00:38:39,500 He became introduced into pericycology and around the 2000s and 498 00:38:41,100 --> 00:38:43,100 Yeah, he teaches a class these guys are religious 499 00:38:43,980 --> 00:38:49,820 I don't know I don't know but he teaches edges of science in an undergraduate 500 00:38:51,820 --> 00:38:57,820 In the University anyway point is he's one of these people that are trying to I guess 501 00:38:59,180 --> 00:39:01,180 understand 502 00:39:02,140 --> 00:39:04,140 He's one of these 503 00:39:04,380 --> 00:39:08,700 scientists that are trying to go in with a little bit more definitely skeptically minded but 504 00:39:10,620 --> 00:39:16,380 Still trying to be like okay, let's see what let's see where this goes and the interesting thing 505 00:39:17,500 --> 00:39:22,300 The interesting thing is he he's probably been the most level headed person that I've heard talk about this 506 00:39:23,100 --> 00:39:27,820 And I kind of want to give a little snippet of what he was saying because he was interviewed by 507 00:39:28,140 --> 00:39:29,340 This channel 508 00:39:29,340 --> 00:39:36,220 I want to make it interesting anecdote that I read saying that um that people who did well on remote viewing stuff 509 00:39:36,620 --> 00:39:40,780 We're also the same people who did well with getting hypnotized because they were highly suggestible 510 00:39:41,180 --> 00:39:48,380 Yeah, I just thought that was an interesting thing to note like it makes sense. Yeah, and the CIA paper though kind of goes into that too 511 00:39:49,420 --> 00:39:52,940 It kind of like it did outline that because the CIA 512 00:39:53,980 --> 00:39:56,220 Person that was like I guess I would you say 513 00:39:58,220 --> 00:40:03,020 That we're recording the efficacy of these studies like we're saying that people that 514 00:40:04,140 --> 00:40:10,700 Most easily hypnotizer good at this, but they were trying to figure out why and one of the reasons they were saying that the 515 00:40:11,500 --> 00:40:14,140 The hemisphere of the brain that controls intuition I don't know 516 00:40:15,740 --> 00:40:17,740 was 517 00:40:18,380 --> 00:40:20,380 apparently 518 00:40:20,780 --> 00:40:22,780 Associated with being able to be hypnotized 519 00:40:23,740 --> 00:40:33,260 And how they saw EG readings or something they saw less activity when those people were being hypnotized and they saw less activity when they were reaching a state of 520 00:40:34,380 --> 00:40:38,380 Whatever the hell that is just being able to 521 00:40:38,860 --> 00:40:41,500 Try to see things or something anyway 522 00:40:41,820 --> 00:40:46,700 Okay, they also noted that people who were introverted were less good 523 00:40:47,820 --> 00:40:50,460 We're less good at doing these experiments 524 00:40:51,020 --> 00:40:54,220 They noted that people that were extroverted had a better sense of 525 00:40:55,340 --> 00:40:57,900 of imagining things outside of their perception 526 00:40:58,780 --> 00:41:02,060 To some degree of accuracy, but like it was still 527 00:41:03,260 --> 00:41:07,500 Like I said the variances are still too small for me to ever be like I don't know 528 00:41:09,100 --> 00:41:11,580 See the variances in the experiment 529 00:41:12,700 --> 00:41:16,780 They're too soon another experiment is not convincing enough like to me. I'm just like 530 00:41:17,740 --> 00:41:20,940 Yeah, I wouldn't put money into this, but anyway 531 00:41:22,060 --> 00:41:25,020 Until it's airtight because I mean we've seen this already with the EM drive 532 00:41:25,660 --> 00:41:27,980 It's the same deal. It is the same same shit 533 00:41:28,700 --> 00:41:31,740 And even NASA's rep are even NASA replicated it wrong 534 00:41:32,060 --> 00:41:36,140 It took a German group or something to finally get the get all the control 535 00:41:37,180 --> 00:41:40,860 Very well, it's very well right to actually see that it didn't actually produce any thrust 536 00:41:41,500 --> 00:41:45,500 Yeah, and then the what is the other thing the oh yeah, so by the way 537 00:41:45,660 --> 00:41:48,940 If you if you're interested in and I don't know if you want to walk away with something 538 00:41:50,540 --> 00:41:52,540 a cool little toy 539 00:41:52,540 --> 00:41:54,540 Tarr of all people invented this little 540 00:41:55,660 --> 00:41:59,020 App that you can download it's called ESP trainer 541 00:42:00,140 --> 00:42:04,140 He's got a deep-ack shop around it's a ESP trainer is cookie ship 542 00:42:05,260 --> 00:42:09,420 Well, it's not monetized. You have it right there. Is that right? I do I do yeah 543 00:42:09,420 --> 00:42:14,220 ESP trainer and the thing is you're supposed to tap a square to see a picture 544 00:42:15,580 --> 00:42:18,700 So to train your ESP skills yeah, so you 545 00:42:20,380 --> 00:42:25,180 So this is free average you pay for this free. It's all free. Tarrs what color do you want to press? 546 00:42:25,740 --> 00:42:31,100 Let's go yellow give me yellow you got to write you got to write you got to book 547 00:42:32,060 --> 00:42:39,020 Fsp okay the other one let's go with blue blue holy shit you got to write 548 00:42:39,100 --> 00:42:41,100 Wow 549 00:42:41,740 --> 00:42:43,740 Okay, it just gives you all the right answer 550 00:42:43,740 --> 00:42:45,500 No, I've done this. I've done really bad 551 00:42:46,460 --> 00:42:50,300 Do uh yellow again don't sabotage just holy shit 552 00:42:50,300 --> 00:42:51,340 Dude 553 00:42:51,340 --> 00:42:56,180 Then I really get it right. Yeah, you did. I don't even know what what it means to be right just guess 554 00:42:57,180 --> 00:42:59,180 Red red okay, you got it wrong 555 00:43:00,620 --> 00:43:05,180 It was green okay. Oh, it just doesn't show you picture if it's real. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, all right 556 00:43:05,180 --> 00:43:07,820 We'll do a couple more here. We go. Let's do yellow 557 00:43:08,380 --> 00:43:10,380 You got to run 558 00:43:10,940 --> 00:43:16,300 Let's say uh yellow again wrong sublu again green 559 00:43:17,020 --> 00:43:19,020 Wrong okay, I lost my powers 560 00:43:19,740 --> 00:43:22,540 I just lost it because I you know you thought about it too much now 561 00:43:23,580 --> 00:43:26,860 I was more um I was more suggestible in the state of the 562 00:43:27,820 --> 00:43:31,100 You're like this is again to work and you're like oh fucking nothing in about it 563 00:43:32,540 --> 00:43:37,420 Actually it happens when the logic comes in you just don't that's kind of what the well that I mean if 564 00:43:38,380 --> 00:43:43,500 From what I've read the things that were more interesting were that like they were studying the psychology of like 565 00:43:44,140 --> 00:43:48,620 People were doing better on certain tests because when they when they just kind of reached like a 566 00:43:49,260 --> 00:43:53,900 Flow state like just kind of they're intuition led them to the right thing 567 00:43:53,900 --> 00:43:58,300 But anything is just you sometimes you're random number generator matches up with whatever the computers 568 00:43:59,100 --> 00:44:05,740 Yeah, yeah, anyway if you do better according to this if you do better than if you find yourself frequently scoring 12 or more 569 00:44:06,700 --> 00:44:08,700 He's like email me 570 00:44:10,380 --> 00:44:15,820 I'm feeling that box that inbox is real barren probably you know we should do it be hilarious 571 00:44:16,140 --> 00:44:20,060 If we like just hack to his program his algorithm yeah, and then just 572 00:44:21,020 --> 00:44:24,620 Just got like all of them correct. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah 573 00:44:24,860 --> 00:44:30,060 Just figured out your random number generator god. They've done it. Yeah, no, but I kind of wanted to 574 00:44:31,500 --> 00:44:34,540 Actually I brought the wrong paper. What was the app called again one? 575 00:44:34,860 --> 00:44:40,620 ESP trainer ESP trainer go check it out guys tell us your ESP scores the comics 576 00:44:42,380 --> 00:44:50,380 No, if you have if you're you're oh viewing skills or whatever it is or or like give me a time stamp 577 00:44:50,860 --> 00:44:55,260 No, I was gonna say something. Oh, not forget if they can't give you a time stamp give me a timestamp of 578 00:44:56,060 --> 00:44:57,820 Something that 579 00:44:57,820 --> 00:45:01,500 Was gonna say something that I'm I don't predict what I'm gonna be doing on Tuesday 580 00:45:02,140 --> 00:45:07,180 What's the title the next podcast gonna be true? Yeah, let's see 581 00:45:07,980 --> 00:45:11,820 But no, let's see if I can get the line I lined up here because 582 00:45:13,020 --> 00:45:16,220 Garrett modelle if I'm pronouncing his name right 583 00:45:17,580 --> 00:45:21,900 What's kind of defining something interesting and I kind of want to hear you take on what he was sure so here we go 584 00:45:31,740 --> 00:45:34,700 Already well established another field 585 00:45:39,900 --> 00:45:42,300 Demi your phone. It's really good clear quality 586 00:45:48,380 --> 00:45:56,140 Several ways to invoke quantum mechanics in this one which I think is illegitimate and one which is more legitimate 587 00:45:57,100 --> 00:46:03,740 To me illegitimate way is to make a model that uses 588 00:46:04,460 --> 00:46:09,500 Quantum mechanical phenomena to explain what we see inside 589 00:46:10,300 --> 00:46:15,420 There are a lot of similarities between quantum mechanics and psi 590 00:46:16,300 --> 00:46:21,020 They both appear to be stochastic or statistical in nature 591 00:46:21,900 --> 00:46:30,620 By the way, psi is this like they're trying to quantify this like ability or whatever if you are to believe that it exists and 592 00:46:30,860 --> 00:46:36,060 Anyway, like psi on x like mass effect or bio shock, right? 593 00:46:37,900 --> 00:46:42,300 They're just trying to quantify like this like a metric of measuring somebody's like 594 00:46:43,420 --> 00:46:47,100 Conscious ability yeah, yes, this ability to whatever 595 00:46:47,660 --> 00:46:54,460 Strap it anyway good so we'll keep going things don't happen all the time they happen sometimes and not other times 596 00:46:55,260 --> 00:46:57,260 There appears to be 597 00:46:57,580 --> 00:47:02,620 Spooky added action at a distance as Einstein called it because distant 598 00:47:03,500 --> 00:47:06,620 Systems or people seem to be correlated 599 00:47:07,900 --> 00:47:10,220 And there appear to be 600 00:47:10,220 --> 00:47:16,620 Observer effects that is when you observe something it seems to change which is the same as in quantum 601 00:47:16,700 --> 00:47:20,140 mechanics and so there are a lot of similarities 602 00:47:21,180 --> 00:47:26,060 But I think it's dangerous to try to make a quantum quantitative model 603 00:47:26,700 --> 00:47:29,740 Using quantum mechanics at this point because 604 00:47:30,460 --> 00:47:36,380 Unless you can test that model and prove that it is right or wrong it provides no value 605 00:47:37,340 --> 00:47:42,700 Paws the fuck is this guy talking about literally quantum mechanics all of it is a quantitative model 606 00:47:43,020 --> 00:47:46,460 The stroding equation is a quantitative model. Yeah, this shows you 607 00:47:46,460 --> 00:47:49,980 No, he's trying to say he's trying to say like 608 00:47:50,620 --> 00:47:56,140 People that are inside community trying to apply quantum mechanics to the study. You can't it's don't do it 609 00:47:56,140 --> 00:48:03,020 Oh quantum mechanics looks psi yeah. Oh, okay don't try to describe conscious in this or whatever in in the language of quantum mechanics 610 00:48:03,900 --> 00:48:08,540 Okay, he's like saying like because like people you'll see people talk or if you read into this 611 00:48:08,540 --> 00:48:09,820 Who's that guy by the way? 612 00:48:10,060 --> 00:48:15,740 Garrett model a model. Yeah, PhD in physics. He he's one of the more active guys 613 00:48:15,740 --> 00:48:20,540 Imagine getting a PhD in physics and going into this field. I mean, I don't know it's just I mean 614 00:48:20,540 --> 00:48:26,620 He might he might have had a very spiritual moment in his life and then a near death experience my face palm is knowing no limit 615 00:48:27,980 --> 00:48:32,620 But I'm wasting your time on this. I mean, I don't know the dude knows is apparently I mean they talked about 616 00:48:32,620 --> 00:48:38,220 But just can he not just do the research I did and just look and see that the fucking statistical 617 00:48:38,700 --> 00:48:42,620 Every time this statistical significance of a research paper on this is done 618 00:48:42,940 --> 00:48:49,100 It's always when the controls suck like how much more do you need to look into? There's not much more you need to look into 619 00:48:49,340 --> 00:48:51,820 I don't go around looking at every single paper that has shitty 620 00:48:52,300 --> 00:48:54,300 Science and they say oh look look 621 00:48:54,860 --> 00:48:56,860 There's something 622 00:48:56,860 --> 00:48:59,580 It's like anytime the experiment is done properly 623 00:49:00,780 --> 00:49:03,820 The statistical significance goes away. So what are we doing here? 624 00:49:04,620 --> 00:49:05,820 This annoys me one 625 00:49:06,060 --> 00:49:12,220 This annoys me so much. This like people latch on the shit that just so it's just so manufactured like why 626 00:49:14,220 --> 00:49:16,780 So how would if it was good science and I would get it 627 00:49:17,500 --> 00:49:20,140 But it's not good science it's always the bad science 628 00:49:22,220 --> 00:49:27,980 Yeah, it's very interesting. I think it's a very interesting study on like just how we do 629 00:49:28,860 --> 00:49:33,100 How we do science and how even very intelligent people can 630 00:49:33,660 --> 00:49:39,820 Flip themselves will slip into like I mean, I don't know it's it's it's interesting just I think 631 00:49:40,460 --> 00:49:51,100 I think there's there is some value to this yeah meaning that like we can sus out like what is like this will really tell you that 632 00:49:51,980 --> 00:49:53,980 basically 633 00:49:54,540 --> 00:50:00,860 We don't we don't have any real effect on the world as the interpursation of quantum mechanics is like you know 634 00:50:00,940 --> 00:50:03,900 There's observer effects of consciousness affecting 635 00:50:05,660 --> 00:50:07,820 Reality and stuff because that's kind of what these people 636 00:50:09,100 --> 00:50:14,700 At large sort of take on as a I kind of lost what you were saying what did you say? 637 00:50:15,260 --> 00:50:20,700 I was just I'm just saying that like it helps us us out 638 00:50:22,140 --> 00:50:24,140 What isn't what isn't 639 00:50:24,140 --> 00:50:29,980 What isn't what isn't what isn't yeah, what's real and what isn't yeah, I think it bite I was actually thinking about this earlier today 640 00:50:30,060 --> 00:50:34,860 It's like I wonder if it'd be nice to give like physics undergraduates like 641 00:50:36,140 --> 00:50:38,140 Make them do papers on 642 00:50:38,300 --> 00:50:42,380 Dom experiments like this so that they really have to think about why this is wrong 643 00:50:43,100 --> 00:50:47,100 And these are like classic examples of how you can fool yourself into believing certain results 644 00:50:47,820 --> 00:50:51,020 When you shouldn't and actually I was trying to look for right now 645 00:50:51,020 --> 00:50:54,860 I just found this guy David F. Marks he's another one of these guys that talks about paranormal stuff 646 00:50:55,740 --> 00:51:00,380 Except he's escaped it gone it he says he made a thing of rules for wood be rationales 647 00:51:01,340 --> 00:51:08,140 Which is basically a list of certain things you need to have in order to show the true experiment or I guess like either 648 00:51:09,180 --> 00:51:12,380 It's like what things to look out for in battery search or things to do 649 00:51:13,260 --> 00:51:15,260 to make good research sure 650 00:51:15,500 --> 00:51:17,500 So I'll read the list of what he has here 651 00:51:18,380 --> 00:51:20,540 So he has one is just if what then what? 652 00:51:21,420 --> 00:51:28,060 This one I didn't really like and I know it was saying but it says many beliefs are stated in such vague terms that even the author doesn't know what they mean 653 00:51:29,740 --> 00:51:35,820 They're judging their aesthetic merits like a painting to bring a belief down earth you must you can ask what it predict 654 00:51:37,020 --> 00:51:40,300 What it means in terms of if what then what? 655 00:51:41,580 --> 00:51:46,540 For example this is I like this example. It says for example a person offers the opinion that we have 656 00:51:46,540 --> 00:51:50,460 Harley begun to grasp the possibilities of cognitive cosmic consciousness 657 00:51:51,340 --> 00:51:55,900 You ask what he means and get another string of words you don't understand 658 00:51:56,700 --> 00:52:01,100 So then you might say if I have a cosmic consciousness how would my life be different? 659 00:52:03,820 --> 00:52:11,260 So I guess it's trying to it's trying to pull out of them like how does that change like what is that explain 660 00:52:11,660 --> 00:52:16,300 I don't know I think I think it's just like it's kind of like the 661 00:52:17,340 --> 00:52:21,020 It's kind of an expression of what something that Feynman said that I think was really interesting 662 00:52:21,580 --> 00:52:26,620 He was like a good experimentalist or a good scientist tries to explain 663 00:52:29,580 --> 00:52:33,100 The data they see with no knowledge you can't just be like 664 00:52:34,700 --> 00:52:41,100 Well, what is this and then speculate something right so obsessed has to do with the thing with the hit is always a hit when you 665 00:52:41,180 --> 00:52:45,340 Interpreter it afterwards you've got to have a kind of understanding of where you're going 666 00:52:46,380 --> 00:52:50,540 Yeah, but you have to build it with the knowledge that we do know that's concrete otherwise you're kind of reaching 667 00:52:50,940 --> 00:52:57,820 You're reges and this is another thing that actually David F. Marks the guy I'm reading right now was saying where the pair of psychology is always about negative hits 668 00:52:57,820 --> 00:53:00,700 versus positive hits and he might even have it here 669 00:53:01,020 --> 00:53:04,860 So yes, there is you saying the ratio of like let me guess the ratio of 670 00:53:05,580 --> 00:53:10,300 Bad hits to good is much higher than good hits no it means that the negative hits are 671 00:53:10,700 --> 00:53:17,500 Anything that doesn't fill fill in the gaps of what's no knowledge that's automatically considered a pair of psychological phenomena 672 00:53:17,740 --> 00:53:22,460 Yeah, whereas that's not really how real science works real science is like 673 00:53:24,620 --> 00:53:29,500 There's a hypothesis or something or some kind of scaffolding for theory the D say does it follow this? 674 00:53:30,060 --> 00:53:34,540 Yeah, it's a positive result you're trying to get a positive result. Yeah, so if you're always just saying like oh 675 00:53:34,540 --> 00:53:39,260 It doesn't match this like oh I can't explain this I can't explain this I can't explain this yeah with what's known 676 00:53:39,740 --> 00:53:46,860 Therefore must be paris psychological yeah, you're always gonna get hits for paris psychology because they're always negative hits yeah a positive hit would be like 677 00:53:47,420 --> 00:53:48,620 Oh 678 00:53:48,620 --> 00:53:54,860 And we're just getting particle yeah, can I find no can I find this particle can I find this this particular 679 00:53:56,300 --> 00:53:58,300 Let's say like this particular 680 00:53:59,180 --> 00:54:03,020 Result from something that's a positive hit yeah, because you're actually looking for a point in 681 00:54:03,020 --> 00:54:06,220 Yeah, so if you can't find a positive hit then you can rule that out 682 00:54:06,620 --> 00:54:08,620 if you have only negative hits 683 00:54:08,860 --> 00:54:12,380 Then you can't rule anything out because anything that's a negative hit that doesn't follow the 684 00:54:13,180 --> 00:54:20,620 No knowledge it's always gonna be paris psychological then true for a lot of those people's results. Yeah, so 685 00:54:21,660 --> 00:54:26,060 I think actually list that I think somewhere within this list of rules for would be rational 686 00:54:27,740 --> 00:54:31,260 Yeah, I think that's important I think that's important to state and 687 00:54:32,060 --> 00:54:37,420 Important for any scientists to kind of look into I just think it's wild that the UK you can look to something 688 00:54:37,500 --> 00:54:39,500 UK literally has 689 00:54:39,740 --> 00:54:41,740 It give out degrees in this 690 00:54:42,700 --> 00:54:47,500 Just such a shame. It's a bit that we're still in this age. It's wild shit. It's kind of stupid 691 00:54:48,460 --> 00:54:50,460 It's like so easily like 692 00:54:51,660 --> 00:54:57,340 It's like it's so like do you follow the scientific method at all like are we not passes phase of reality of life 693 00:54:58,060 --> 00:55:00,940 Like we don't prop up bad science 694 00:55:01,500 --> 00:55:05,980 If your science is not me the criteria for good science why are we taking that seriously? 695 00:55:06,940 --> 00:55:08,940 It's so silly to me 696 00:55:09,500 --> 00:55:14,700 So apparently this the university is the co-slayer paris psychology unit at 697 00:55:14,700 --> 00:55:17,420 Kessler Kla 698 00:55:17,420 --> 00:55:17,980 Kla 699 00:55:17,980 --> 00:55:20,700 S T L R at the University of Edinburgh in Scotland 700 00:55:22,860 --> 00:55:25,820 It hosts the only endowed chair peris psychology in the UK 701 00:55:28,220 --> 00:55:30,220 By hosted by 702 00:55:31,260 --> 00:55:33,260 Arthur Kessler 703 00:55:34,220 --> 00:55:36,220 And yeah, apparently they still do 704 00:55:37,020 --> 00:55:38,380 Fuckessler 705 00:55:38,380 --> 00:55:39,420 Piece of shit 706 00:55:39,420 --> 00:55:40,620 Paris 707 00:55:40,620 --> 00:55:45,740 They have tears what did he do bro? I'm just pissed I hate people do bad science. Fuck I know I was me 708 00:55:46,300 --> 00:55:48,300 It says here 709 00:55:48,300 --> 00:55:51,340 Connecting they conduct research into the saaha hypothesis 710 00:55:53,020 --> 00:55:56,300 Suidosai what's not apparently psychic but looks like it 711 00:55:57,100 --> 00:55:59,500 Beliefs about the paranormal and all pseudo-sides 712 00:56:00,140 --> 00:56:03,180 The anomalous and the studies of psychological 713 00:56:03,660 --> 00:56:05,660 Psychologically anomalous phenomena 714 00:56:06,780 --> 00:56:09,420 Love how the pseudo the other side people have suicide 715 00:56:11,580 --> 00:56:13,580 It's amazing 716 00:56:13,740 --> 00:56:19,260 I mean it's a but I mean this is a legitimate university the University of Edinburgh got what a waste of money 717 00:56:19,660 --> 00:56:21,420 What a waste of money in everyone's time 718 00:56:22,380 --> 00:56:27,100 Well, the wasting there time terms. We're not wasting there. Yeah, but it just hurts me. I was like man 719 00:56:28,060 --> 00:56:32,220 Imagine if you did a productive things in life. Do you University of London as well? 720 00:56:33,660 --> 00:56:35,660 It's like a theology degree 721 00:56:35,660 --> 00:56:38,460 It's like what are you doing? Oh, I like getting this tattoo 722 00:56:38,460 --> 00:56:42,100 Are you now you're going nuclear bro? You're coming after other other other other other 723 00:56:42,380 --> 00:56:44,380 This is the same realm 724 00:56:44,380 --> 00:56:46,380 It's in the exact same territory 725 00:56:48,380 --> 00:56:50,060 I mean it's all the same shit to me 726 00:56:51,020 --> 00:56:54,220 Theology well, I guess theology can be justified if you're like a historian 727 00:56:54,700 --> 00:56:59,580 So I won't shit on theology theologians fully because if they're like just interested in like 728 00:57:00,060 --> 00:57:04,700 Catalogging the you know the trajectory of religions and everything then that's fine 729 00:57:05,260 --> 00:57:06,940 But if you're like actually like 730 00:57:07,100 --> 00:57:12,780 Getting a PhD in theology to be a preacher or something then yeah, you've wasted your life. Well the people in the UK 731 00:57:12,780 --> 00:57:14,780 I could totally see them studying this 732 00:57:15,740 --> 00:57:19,340 Just because I mean look you have the University of West England bristol 733 00:57:19,740 --> 00:57:21,740 and 734 00:57:22,460 --> 00:57:23,740 Also 735 00:57:23,740 --> 00:57:28,220 Dr Ian Hume at the cardiff metropolitan university 736 00:57:29,260 --> 00:57:34,860 Is named webbe whom Dr Ian Baker and Dr Ben Roberts Malcolm show field at the University of Derby 737 00:57:37,260 --> 00:57:41,500 And what else the castler unit or whatever 738 00:57:42,060 --> 00:57:44,220 Dr David Lou at the University of Greenwich 739 00:57:45,180 --> 00:57:49,100 They have a program where you can get a bachelor's of science in 740 00:57:49,980 --> 00:57:51,980 Parasecology 741 00:57:53,420 --> 00:57:55,420 Professor Richard wiseman 742 00:57:57,500 --> 00:58:02,940 Also you can get you can be a PhD student in the issues of Parasecology at the University of Hertfordshire 743 00:58:05,340 --> 00:58:07,340 Yeah, man University of Lancaster 744 00:58:08,220 --> 00:58:11,980 Golds University of London at Goldsmith 745 00:58:12,940 --> 00:58:18,140 Wow man matchester matchballton University University of North Hampton. This is where you can get the degree 746 00:58:18,780 --> 00:58:20,780 Yeah University of York 747 00:58:21,420 --> 00:58:26,060 Yeah, man the cringes on real the cringes so unreal 748 00:58:26,860 --> 00:58:28,620 I mean like it's just kind of wild me 749 00:58:28,620 --> 00:58:35,580 You had to enlight me on this because I never even knew I want to yeah, I want to go that it was I want to go to the UK and just visit these people 750 00:58:35,580 --> 00:58:38,460 I want to talk to them and be like why why do you 751 00:58:39,420 --> 00:58:41,420 What's up like I want to understand 752 00:58:41,820 --> 00:58:44,300 It's just a lot of all it's probably a lot of over justification 753 00:58:45,100 --> 00:58:46,860 I've noticed when people get really 754 00:58:48,220 --> 00:58:50,540 Really far off the beach rail of really crazy beliefs 755 00:58:51,100 --> 00:58:55,980 They never address the foundation they always address the higher order complexity of things so it seems legit 756 00:58:56,300 --> 00:58:59,340 Because the higher complexity is all based on logic and things 757 00:58:59,580 --> 00:59:03,740 But their foundational logic is fucked up just like people who believe in communism stuff 758 00:59:04,220 --> 00:59:11,100 They love to talk about all the higher level things of how we never have done implemented true communism and all this stuff and their logic is really impeccable 759 00:59:11,340 --> 00:59:18,700 Usually when you take it out to those orders, but then when you just go back to the basics of fundamental logic they can never answer the fundamental question of 760 00:59:20,140 --> 00:59:22,140 Are all human's equal 761 00:59:22,140 --> 00:59:26,380 They always have fucked up answers and convoluted things. That's quite a little just or they'll have the 762 00:59:27,340 --> 00:59:33,020 You know they'll just have and I even approach to it damn times you are going nuclear you're going after other fields 763 00:59:33,100 --> 00:59:38,620 What going off the old I'm going after all the things that are rooted in bad logic or all the things that are rooted in 764 00:59:39,100 --> 00:59:44,540 dubious kind of logic or science or something around those lines or magical mystical beliefs 765 00:59:45,100 --> 00:59:49,980 I'll say let's say this I'm gonna say this so it's all the same it's all the same stuff 766 00:59:50,540 --> 00:59:53,020 Yeah, okay, so the logic is dubious. I will say that 767 00:59:53,740 --> 00:59:59,580 What I appreciate about this is that it's it's such is out so that there's some crossover though with 768 01:00:00,140 --> 01:00:05,100 What what I found was interesting there's some crossover with people that are studying consciousness 769 01:00:06,620 --> 01:00:13,100 Of course there seems to be like this because I mean they're talking about sigh and it's like this thing the measures consciousness is how how you 770 01:00:13,500 --> 01:00:15,500 It's like trying to understand consciousness 771 01:00:16,620 --> 01:00:19,980 And there are some people that are bleeding over more into that realm 772 01:00:20,860 --> 01:00:23,900 I think because people are still trying to quantify 773 01:00:25,020 --> 01:00:27,020 What it means to be conscious and like 774 01:00:27,980 --> 01:00:31,180 For you to even talk about consciousness existing outside of yourself 775 01:00:32,540 --> 01:00:40,700 Is like you don't even understand consciousness so why are you talking about like why do we even begin to talk why are you even trying to talk about? 776 01:00:42,140 --> 01:00:48,220 This oh like this of a side version of it this ability of like extending your consciousness outside of yourself 777 01:00:48,540 --> 01:00:52,700 Well, I can maybe see that because they're kind of intertwined in some sense. I guess you could you could do it mean 778 01:00:53,100 --> 01:01:00,060 Because it would still be involved with consciousness. Let's say right. I don't think you could be off limits like as a magic there is like physics where 779 01:01:00,540 --> 01:01:06,220 No, I don't I don't I don't I don't agree because like I think like because we if we don't even understand 780 01:01:06,220 --> 01:01:10,420 That's what I'm saying we don't even understand the fun like you're saying the fundamentals the building block 781 01:01:10,420 --> 01:01:12,420 But let's pretend that sigh was like testable 782 01:01:13,660 --> 01:01:19,500 Right, but right now we don't even have a conception of sigh if you want to think about it, but I'm saying if let's pretend that if sigh was testable 783 01:01:20,460 --> 01:01:24,860 Okay, and then we actually were actually able to test consciousness in some way 784 01:01:24,860 --> 01:01:29,460 Yeah, okay, then that would be useful data right because that could tell us something illuminating about 785 01:01:30,180 --> 01:01:35,500 Consciousness itself, but we don't even notice but that's okay, but they're oh I see what you're saying you're saying 786 01:01:35,500 --> 01:01:37,500 If they didn't help us 787 01:01:37,500 --> 01:01:39,500 Oh, I see what'd be useful right 788 01:01:39,500 --> 01:01:42,860 Yeah, so you could do it in my in my as an eye and my 789 01:01:43,820 --> 01:01:47,660 In my view you could do it you can approach problems for many different angles 790 01:01:47,980 --> 01:01:51,980 Sometimes there are others that are better than there are some better than others, but yeah 791 01:01:52,380 --> 01:01:55,580 But we're taking this approach because this approach seems so 792 01:01:56,180 --> 01:01:58,620 Looks like not real science. It's fucked up science 793 01:01:58,940 --> 01:02:04,460 When your science is breaking the rules of what science is supposed to be then it's like or like when your science 794 01:02:04,460 --> 01:02:07,340 It's a meets are in criteria when you've fucked up controls you're not doing science 795 01:02:07,340 --> 01:02:11,020 You're just doing shitty research. Yeah. Well this this is why I'm like we 796 01:02:11,900 --> 01:02:16,860 I want to focus your thoughts on or focus your concentrations on quantifying science 797 01:02:16,940 --> 01:02:18,940 I've quantifying 798 01:02:18,940 --> 01:02:20,940 Consciousness first and then 799 01:02:20,940 --> 01:02:27,180 Maybe you can extrapolate like these like things like where people have perceptions outside of themselves when they take psychedelics or something right 800 01:02:27,180 --> 01:02:31,340 Because these are also other even then. I don't know these are also other probings of like 801 01:02:32,140 --> 01:02:39,580 Altered states of consciousness, right sure and like I would I would tend to I would say that has more rigor than 802 01:02:40,460 --> 01:02:45,900 Then paracycology and some sense because you know you're in an altered state of consciousness and you know that 803 01:02:46,860 --> 01:02:51,020 People are imagining things they're imagining that they're seeing themselves outside of themselves 804 01:02:51,580 --> 01:02:53,660 Perception alter states of perception that are like 805 01:02:54,620 --> 01:02:56,140 Wow yeah like you can actually 806 01:02:57,180 --> 01:03:01,900 Confirm that suck psych psychedelics will do something to your different to your mind 807 01:03:01,900 --> 01:03:04,620 Yeah, like take take LSD if you don't believe it 808 01:03:05,500 --> 01:03:08,620 Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's like the proof is in the pudding so yeah, you know something's going on there 809 01:03:08,620 --> 01:03:11,340 But see those are tanned those are those are physical observables 810 01:03:11,340 --> 01:03:18,300 You can see you can put yourself in a state of altered consciousness. Yeah, and you can now probably also quantify that that too 811 01:03:19,100 --> 01:03:23,980 What do you mean I bet you could probably find some characteristics that are shared between all people who are on psychedelics 812 01:03:24,140 --> 01:03:27,980 Yeah, you can yeah that's statistically show that there is something going on 813 01:03:27,980 --> 01:03:31,100 Yeah, yeah, I mean that's that's what I'm sure there studies and 814 01:03:31,900 --> 01:03:36,620 Actually are statistically significantly yeah, that's what I'm saying not just messed up controls 815 01:03:37,180 --> 01:03:41,180 Right that's what I mean like I think I think you if if if you want to 816 01:03:41,340 --> 01:03:43,900 study alter states of consciousness. This is not the way 817 01:03:45,340 --> 01:03:50,860 Paracycology is not the way to do it. I think I think doing eat you should probably focus your efforts on 818 01:03:51,580 --> 01:03:54,620 studying what consciousness even is and 819 01:03:56,220 --> 01:03:58,620 Also maybe alter states of consciousness like like 820 01:03:59,260 --> 01:04:04,620 Take on what's what's the brain like on psychedelics what what are these altered states of consciousness? 821 01:04:04,620 --> 01:04:09,420 What does that mean what are these what are the yeah? Yeah, yeah, but other than that 822 01:04:10,380 --> 01:04:14,140 Yeah, there were some like I said there were some events that left me scratching my head like I 823 01:04:14,860 --> 01:04:17,820 I don't know this interesting is hell, but I don't know 824 01:04:19,020 --> 01:04:22,940 But in the end is any what's the final verdict one? I think we're getting to the time the final verdict 825 01:04:24,620 --> 01:04:29,820 A lot of the experiments suck it's kooky is hell, but I will say there is some cool interesting 826 01:04:30,700 --> 01:04:32,700 Stuff that I read though two nice ones 827 01:04:34,300 --> 01:04:39,260 Too much of a no, I'm just say it's it's fantastical. It's like it's a fantastical 828 01:04:39,900 --> 01:04:44,540 I want to believe that there's magic in the world, but you know, but I think there is it just 829 01:04:44,540 --> 01:04:47,340 Not that form most of it is bullshit. I like all shit 830 01:04:47,340 --> 01:04:51,260 You know what I mean most of it is bullshit, but like there was some interesting like little things 831 01:04:51,260 --> 01:04:53,900 I would say you know if you have a free afternoon 832 01:04:54,860 --> 01:04:59,980 Go ahead and search into it. I like watch a documentary. Oh, yeah, so one rock documentary I would recommend 833 01:05:02,060 --> 01:05:04,060 Is let me just pull this up 834 01:05:05,740 --> 01:05:08,620 Right now because I sent a T. So that's what you sent me 835 01:05:08,940 --> 01:05:12,220 Yeah, one of them is anyone who was agreeing with me heavily. I wouldn't watch it 836 01:05:13,420 --> 01:05:17,100 No, if you want to know more about this in the history is it thought it was pretty bad if you want to know 837 01:05:17,100 --> 01:05:22,940 It's an old documentaries. It's what the woman Jessica a two's basically classic. I'll just none. Oh, okay. It's the other one 838 01:05:23,420 --> 01:05:28,780 There's another one of BBC it's a BBC film, but that's more like it's old school, but it's a 839 01:05:29,740 --> 01:05:34,700 It's very thorough so if you have an afternoon and you're interested in this topic go ahead and watch it 840 01:05:34,700 --> 01:05:36,700 It's called the case of ESP 841 01:05:36,940 --> 01:05:40,140 It's original an uncut 1983 BBC film 842 01:05:41,900 --> 01:05:48,380 And you see film, huh? Yeah, and and they you know it's a good documentary because it takes both 843 01:05:48,620 --> 01:05:51,180 It gives you the perspective of both sides 844 01:05:51,500 --> 01:05:56,300 So it's like this shows equal well now I wouldn't say equal time to the skeptics, but it does give you 845 01:05:58,060 --> 01:06:02,860 It gives you and and a sense of objectivity which is appreciated from 846 01:06:03,340 --> 01:06:06,700 So it gives you the skeptics arguments and then also the proponents 847 01:06:07,100 --> 01:06:10,620 Right and if you want to check it out that's that's what I would have a look it up 848 01:06:11,020 --> 01:06:13,820 Yeah, I would say check out stranger things you want to do 849 01:06:14,380 --> 01:06:21,340 If you want to cool fantastical also the venue staircoats is a good movie what other I didn't see it the show the TV show 850 01:06:21,340 --> 01:06:26,380 Psych also deals with this but it's more of a grounded view of this where like 851 01:06:27,100 --> 01:06:31,020 the this the I would say the the quote-unquote psych 852 01:06:31,660 --> 01:06:36,460 person is just the hyper aware person who's able to 853 01:06:38,540 --> 01:06:44,140 Into it oh, I see from it's like Sherlock yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's like it's just super smart 854 01:06:44,140 --> 01:06:46,940 Notice a lot of details exactly to it's an extrapolates 855 01:06:47,100 --> 01:06:53,100 Sure sure and he's able and his intuition is usually correct right about it's like a godly intuition 856 01:06:53,420 --> 01:06:55,020 Yeah, I got you 857 01:06:55,020 --> 01:06:59,100 Okay, so yeah, but final verdict you say one bullshit or not yes 858 01:06:59,340 --> 01:07:03,580 Honestly most of his probably bunk. Thank you. Yeah, that's all I wanted here. Oh really 859 01:07:03,580 --> 01:07:07,980 I mean like I mean yeah, most of it is bunk, but it's like okay to me it's just you know 860 01:07:08,540 --> 01:07:09,820 Just want to believe imagine 861 01:07:09,820 --> 01:07:15,580 It's like the whole aliens but while we got plenty of magic bro. No, but this is like the aliens thing like it's like most of it is bullshit 862 01:07:15,580 --> 01:07:16,860 But you know 863 01:07:16,860 --> 01:07:19,820 But aliens are but you want to have a little bit going from 864 01:07:20,700 --> 01:07:22,700 You know because at least we live in a galaxy this 865 01:07:23,820 --> 01:07:27,980 13 billion like this across at least we have the possibility of an alien system 866 01:07:28,460 --> 01:07:30,460 This shit is fucking absurd 867 01:07:31,900 --> 01:07:36,460 All right, and with that folks let us know you're fucking your size scores yeah down below in the comments 868 01:07:37,580 --> 01:07:41,580 Yeah guys so like share comment subscribe check out eigenbros like comment your brothers Instagram 869 01:07:41,580 --> 01:07:43,580 Mike and Rose Twitter eigenbros two tick talk 870 01:07:43,740 --> 01:07:48,460 Yeah, thank you again patrons supporters and if you guys want to check us out on patreon and support your boys 871 01:07:48,460 --> 01:07:49,820 Make sure you uh 872 01:07:49,820 --> 01:07:54,780 You know give us a dollar or something. Oh, yeah, and focus all your size scores for my test tomorrow 873 01:07:55,740 --> 01:08:00,300 Yeah, oh, you're a sign energy. Oh, is it really tomorrow? No, no, it's not for them. It's gonna be oh 874 01:08:00,300 --> 01:08:05,980 Okay, so right now wherever you're sitting right now think about me and think about giving me all your brain power to pass this exam 875 01:08:05,980 --> 01:08:11,340 Okay, help one pass guys channel your energy channel. Give me like good vibes only the dragon balls 876 01:08:11,340 --> 01:08:18,540 He kind of like spirit bomb but consciously spirit bomb right so anyways, thank you folks and we'll see you next week 877 01:08:18,540 --> 01:08:20,540 Tata, bye 878 01:08:24,780 --> 01:08:26,780 You