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This is the conspiratorial view of history as opposed to the accidental view.

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And it is the conspiratorial view that we shall present in this program.

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There is a conspiracy theory that a shadowy elite of international bankers

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are secretly controlling the governments of the world.

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They say that the people that control this world

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could sit around one large table and have lunch.

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The theory goes that these elitists plan to create an all-powerful New World Order,

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a world government that will destroy anyone who disobeys them.

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It is a theory shared by militiamen and neo-Nazis

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and also by an increasing number of mainstream Americans.

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The message spreads through underground videos and anti-New World Order talk shows.

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Is there a New World Order?

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There's a New World Order.

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Is there a new religion coming?

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A new religion's coming.

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The New World Odour has a certain smell about it.

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The smell of death.

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This is the story of a family who wanted to escape from the clutches of this tyrannical elite

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by moving to a mountaintop in Idaho.

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It is also the story of how their paranoid fantasies came true.

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Bits!

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Are you proud of yourself?

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Are you proud of yourself?

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You're going to kill all the children.

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You're going to watch.

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I guess I wouldn't give up what I had in my childhood for anything.

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Like when I was little, I would go out and I could sit and watch, you know, a wasp dig a hole in the ground for hours.

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And then I'd follow it and it'd go paralyze a worm or a cricket or something and it'd drag it into its hole.

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But the media just portrayed that we were all crazy and had landmines everywhere and all we cared about was guns, I guess.

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But, I mean, I do like guns.

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I still do.

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And I did then too.

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But, I mean, it's not weird or crazy.

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When Rachel Weaver was two years old, in the mid-1980s, her parents, Randy and Vicky, moved the family from Iowa City to a mountaintop in Idaho, a place that became known as Ruby Ridge.

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Randy and Vicky were conspiracy theorists.

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They believed that an evil elite of international bankers and media moguls were secretly controlling their increasingly tyrannical government.

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The move to the cabin was their way of opting out.

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Am I hitting it at all, guys?

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We wanted to kind of get out of the regular system and wanted to find a place where we could teach the kids at home, get them out of the city and out of the public school system.

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Government schools, what I call them.

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And, you know, kids in the city grow up with basketballs and bicycles.

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And kids in the mountains or out in the country grow up with dogs and guns.

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It isn't about hunting or target shooting.

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It's for protection against a government that can become tyrannical.

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Describe the feeling of what it's like to shoot a gun.

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I don't know.

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See, I really fell in love with this one gun.

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It's called a 45-70.

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But it has a really, it's not a hard kick.

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It's a lug.

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It, like, lugs you back.

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I don't know.

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I think I, uh, that's what I enjoy most about that gun.

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The reason why I don't look at it as a big political thing is because even if I had, you know, my rifles, it's not like it's going to do me any good if the government wants to wipe me out.

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All it has to do is fly over in a helicopter and drop a firebomb, you know.

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But as far as trying to go up against the government, that's just, unless the whole country did it, I guess.

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But that'd be a little different.

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This used to be one of my mom's favorite songs.

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What is it?

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It's that I countin' flowers on the wall that don't bother me at all that, you know.

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The Weaver family moved to the mountains because they were panicked by the underground videos they saw portraying their government as out of control

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and destroying the lives of simple people who wanted to live free.

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When the guns are gone, and your freedom was shattered at your feet,

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tis when it will be far too late to say,

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why didn't I fight instead of sheepishly retreat?

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Oh!

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The family called this shadowy elite the New World Order.

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They thought that if they couldn't be left alone on top of a mountain in Idaho, where could they be left alone?

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Some of the things they believed up there might seem crazy, but they were a long way off.

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Is this your land now?

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Yeah.

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Yeah, we've been on my land for a little while.

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This is it.

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It used to be an outhouse and a woodshed and stuff like right here.

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Our shed that they confiscated for the evidence used to be about right where that outhouse is.

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And this is what's left of the house.

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All the way up to here, I guess, was the living room and then we had the kitchen.

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And about right here is where our front door was.

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Sink was over here on this side.

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And then above the kitchen was Mom and Dad's bedroom.

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And then over on that side, above the right-hand part of the living room was Sarah and I's bedroom.

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And then on the left was Sam's bedroom.

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There was Rachel, her parents, her older sister Sarah and their brother Sam.

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Later on, Vicki would give birth to a baby, Elisheba, up there.

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We'd build tree forts and little huts and use old dead branches.

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And sometimes we'd make a little dugout and hide behind that and play war games.

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And I remember using some of the leaves off the bushes as play money and going to the store where there would be like...

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It was really make-believe.

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Tell me about war games.

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Just kind of cowboy games.

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Yeah, just kind of cowboy Indian type things.

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I believe in searching for, quote, the truth about politics, religion, whatever.

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I like to discuss that with people.

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We always sat around and talked about stuff.

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I mean, that was like kind of the family, you know, pastime.

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I mean, because we were always together, so we always talked about stuff.

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One place the Weavers went to discuss politics was Aryan Nations,

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a hardcore neo-Nazi compound 70 miles from the cabin.

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Aryan Nations hold summer camps every year, and Randy used to visit, sometimes taking the children along.

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Aryan Nations are very specific about who they feel is in charge of the New World Order.

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Who do you believe is in charge of the New World Order?

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Well, it's the Antichrist Jew.

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Same one that murdered Abel.

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Do you think all Jews or just some Jews?

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All Jews.

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In other words, it's a blood order.

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DNA is proven it.

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But even though quite a lot of the people in power aren't Jewish.

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No, what you're saying is they are trying to say that they're not Jewish.

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But all the Rothschilds and the Bilderbergers and all the rest of them are racially Jews.

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We don't really care what religion they have adopted over the centuries, but as a race, they're Jews.

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As soon as a Jew marries into a white person's, you know, family, the offspring are Jewish.

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They just perform every evil on this planet.

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You know, they're behind every evil thing that goes on.

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And they control the banking system, and that's what you're talking about, world economics.

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And that's by that means to control the world.

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The Weaver family were never as hardcore in their beliefs as the people at Aryan Nations.

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Randy and Vicky were not obsessed with hating Jews.

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They were not white supremacists.

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But they liked the neo-Nazis as people, shared their hatred for the government,

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and enjoyed their picnic areas and summer camp activities.

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What I remember is things like the candy hunts and meeting friends in the playground

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and sitting around a table and, you know, if we'd meet someone new, we'd hear new stories or something.

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Or old friends would exchange new stories or...

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Oh, sorry.

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What are the candy hunts?

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I can't think what you call those.

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What do you call that when you find...

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Treasure hunts?

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Yes, treasure hunts.

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I didn't feel about them ever maybe being a hardcore,

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I'm going to run up to the Aryan Nations and say, Kyle, you know, so...

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Even though they did do that once in a while?

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Well, apparently.

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Well, I suppose you could visit.

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I mean, people have curiosities and...

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But I suppose you could go to investigate and see what they were like and not be like them.

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It was at Aryan Nations that the Weaver's problems began.

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The U.S. government had infiltrated the compound,

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hoping to recruit some of the less hardcore members as undercover informants.

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Yes, they asked Randy to become one.

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Randy said, no, I don't want to do it.

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You know, I moved out of the city, up on top of this mountain,

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because you guys are all rotten, I don't want to work with you.

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I know what you're up to, I don't want to be a part of it.

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Go away.

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So then the government, as it is today, decided,

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you can't say no to God, our government,

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so now we're going to make you serve us.

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So they sent an infiltrator in that was a snitch for the federal government

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to become friends with Randy,

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and you know the story about asking him to saw off two shotguns.

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First he said machine guns.

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I said, I can't get to know machine guns.

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He says, well, how about sawed-off shotguns?

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They're real good.

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I go, oh, well, no problem.

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That's easy.

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He grabs his file, and he files it.

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You know, he saws the barrels off,

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not knowing he's violating federal law.

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I totally don't understand why they even came to my dad

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to ask him to saw off shotguns.

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It makes no sense to me.

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It just blows my mind that they didn't even care.

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But for the government,

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Randy had the makings of a perfect undercover informant,

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a slightly crazy person who was friends with far crazier people,

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a family man with bad finances.

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How could he turn them down?

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In fact, Randy made a big show of turning them down.

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Mr. Waver, we can get you on six or seven federal fire.

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Firearms violations.

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But we'd probably forego that if you'd join our team.

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And I just kind of, I don't think so.

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And he just come clear across the seat and got right in my face.

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He says, well, that's the way we do it, right?

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He says, tomorrow morning, 11 o'clock,

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you'll be down in Spokane Federal Building,

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and don't tell anybody you're coming, not even your wife.

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About that time, Vicki come walking out of the cabin by him.

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I said, hey, Vic, come here.

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She walked over the truck and didn't remember their names and faces.

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And they go, we got to go.

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Peeled out of the gravel, throwing rocks, took off.

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They knew I wasn't coming down to Spokane the next day.

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Randy was indicted on the shotgun charge.

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Feeling that he'd been coerced into committing a crime

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by a tyrannical government controlled by the New World Order,

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he decided not to show up in court.

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The family buried their heads in the sand.

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Randy let it be known that he would not be taken off the mountain alive.

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A family friend called Kevin Harris moved in with them.

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I knew I was going to lose.

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They had me set up, white supremacist, gun runner, blah, blah, blah,

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and those people that they put on juries in North Idaho

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are the local brainwashed county, city fathers and mothers

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that will suck up and do it.

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If the government told them to go down Monday morning

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and get a walking license and pay ten bucks a year for it, they'd do it.

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From then on, I never left that property.

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Pretty neat view, huh?

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It was as if Randy and Vicky's conspiracy theories were coming true.

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They had moved to the mountains to escape a tyrannical government,

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and a tyrannical government was now coming to get them.

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The family took to carrying guns at all times, even the children.

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They became increasingly convinced that the army of the New World Order

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was watching them from the bushes.

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In fact, they were being watched from the bushes.

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I have to remember, they were under surveillance after a period of time

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because Randy tried to apprehend Randy previously and not been successful.

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But were I closeted up on the mountain with just my family

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and already feeling persecuted and I know someone's watching me,

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my paranoia is going to increase, whether I think it's going to or not.

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See, most, you know, most paranoid people think they're being watched and they're not.

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Right.

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Here was somebody who's doing it.

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They were actually being watched, you know, so, yeah,

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so they're on a high alert, you know.

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So any little thing that occurs becomes a big thing.

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Can you hear that?

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Somebody's on their way up.

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Oh, see, yeah, if we were out at the rock, I could run out and see who it is.

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Somebody going up higher.

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It's too overgrown for me to see, but they're already on their way up.

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And that's what we do every time we heard somebody.

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Jeez, something so simple can bring back the excitement.

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Then the marshals come because he's avoiding arrest.

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They're not going to just walk away and say,

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oh, well, sure, you don't want to be arrested.

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We'll see you around, you know.

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And you can't dispute the fact the man had a sawed-off shotgun

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and he tried to sell it to an undercover agent.

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You can call it entrapment or whatever you want, but he did it.

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Due to the remoteness of his location in the mountain,

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it was decided that we'd just kind of take a wait-and-see attitude

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because, again, he had three kids up there.

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And the last thing we wanted to, well, the baby came along later.

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And maybe in retrospect waited too long.

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Of course, time went on and a year went on.

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And the last thing that the marshal service wanted to do

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was to get into a situation where kids could get involved.

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And then it still fell apart.

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I don't have a lot of memories about me and Sam

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because we never really hung out together.

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One thing is the day before everything happened,

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he had gone down to collect the seeds from his radish plants

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because they were really huge, just really good radishes,

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and he was going to plant some next year.

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Well, I followed him down there to talk to him and watch him or whatever.

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And he's all, you know, leave me alone, quit following me, whatever.

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And I went behind this blown-over tree where the root was really big

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and I was sitting there crying.

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And he came over and apologized to me and said he loved me and everything.

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And I guess that's what I remember most about him

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because he had never said anything like that to me.

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The marshals were up there doing the same thing they'd been doing off and on

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for the last three months.

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They had cameras up there.

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Of course, Randy had found one of the cameras and had destroyed it.

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And they got too close to the cabin.

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And the dogs got a scent of them.

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And the dogs started chasing.

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The deputies started running down the hill.

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And then the shots were fired.

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If I'd had any idea that these federal marshals were doing,

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they was out there dinking around.

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I'd have never, I wouldn't have gone out there myself,

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but I sure as hell wouldn't have let Sam and Kevin go running

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and chasing that dog after federal marshals.

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I mean, that'd be stupid.

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That'd be stupid.

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But, so I get, I go down this logging road,

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down to the area they call the Y.

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I hear clunk, clunk, clunk.

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I look, and here's this guy jumps out in front of me,

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total camel doubt.

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I mean, just, I saw his eyes and I saw his mouth move,

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and he yelled, freeze, weaver.

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I said, ew.

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I was yelling for the boys.

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Boys, get home, get home, boys.

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It's an ambush, right?

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I heard Sam yell, I'm coming, Dad.

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Boom, boom, boom, boom.

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Then it opened up.

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The deputy started running down the hill.

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Randy, Kevin Harris, and Sammy Weaver started chasing them down.

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The dogs started coming down.

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They got to a Y.

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The deputy stopped.

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And shots got fired.

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The dog was definitely shot.

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One of the agents shot Stryker in the back and hit his spine.

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And little Samuel, who raised the dog from a pup,

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saw him running around in circles, yiping, and then fall dead.

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Sammy opened fire on the agents that had shot his dog and said,

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you guys, you killed my dog.

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And he opened fire and shot several times.

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And as it turned out, he didn't hit anybody.

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But then when he, they, of course, fired back at him with military rifles,

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these automatic fire rifles, and almost cut his left arm off.

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Now, remember, he was about the size of a 10-year-old boy, you know, small.

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So they shot his left arm to where it was just hanging by the flesh.

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And little Samuel turned around and ran up the mountain and screamed to his dad,

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and said, I'm coming home, Dad.

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And at that time, my fellow officers took a MP5 machine gun

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and just sprayed him right up the back as he's running away

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and murdered him right there.

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One of the U.S. Marshals, Bill Deegan,

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was also killed in the gunfight that followed Sammy's death.

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We were all standing up on that rock that overlooks our driveway.

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And it was just, Mom and Sarah and I, and Dad was up there with us by now.

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We just let out a cry and just broke down.

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And I remember Dad fired Mom's .223 into the air, full clip.

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So, I mean, what happened after that?

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Mom, I think it was right after that, Mom said, we've got to go get him.

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And so Mom and Dad went down.

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Kevin went with them.

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And I went in the house and got Elizabeth dressed.

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And I never saw him.

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They put him in the guest shed, and Dad and Mom went in and cleaned him up.

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Interrupt him in his sheath, I guess.

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It was a bad deal.

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You know, I didn't give a shit about nothing after that.

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I still don't, pretty much.

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See, I don't remember days.

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To me, it's just all one, one, it's like one long, bad day.

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Vicky Weaver wrote in her diary that night that Sam was killed while chasing the servants of the New World Order.

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A U.S. marshal had been killed, so his team called for backup.

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A 400-strong army descended on the cabin.

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They sealed off the mountain.

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Two miles away, down in the valley, the neighbours began a protest at the roadblock.

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Martial law was declared by the state governor, who called the Weaver cabin an extreme emergency and disaster area.

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Good afternoon.

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A federal agent has been shot and killed in a confrontation with a fugitive in North Idaho.

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We started listening to the news that night.

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Oh, crazy bastards, you know, white supremacists murdered a U.S. marshal.

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Yeah, right.

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We murdered a...

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Yeah, wrong.

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This is a big deal now.

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Crazy white supremacists and they've got a dead cop.

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Whoa, whoa, this cop is worth more than my son?

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I don't think so.

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He ain't even worth more than my dog.

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Were you aware of just how many troops turned up after that?

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Oh, hell no.

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The military operation was undertaken with such stealth that besides from hearing a few sirens down in the valley,

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the Weaver family had no idea that their cabin was now surrounded by FBI snipers.

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I think it's one of these things that a couple agent friends of mine, when we get together for lunch, it never fails.

352
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This comes up at every lunch and it, well, I wonder if we would have done this.

353
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Well, who said that or why was that done or...

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And what about the rules of engagement?

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You know, can we look back today and say those rules shouldn't have been that way?

356
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I'm sure we can do that today.

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And what were the rules?

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The rules of engagement, there was four rules in there, but the main rule was that any adult armed male, it could be, I can't remember the exact words to tell you the truth.

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Couldn't should be shot.

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You know, I'd have to read it again.

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They were extreme.

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Some people would say a lot of things went wrong up there.

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Well, you know, I won't disagree with that.

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Everything that probably could have went wrong did go wrong.

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The next day, the other two dogs that we had tied up out in the yard started kind of whimpering and barking a little bit.

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I thought, yep, here they come.

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Somebody's out there wants to talk to us.

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I took Sam's Mini-14 and I walked out and bang, I got shot through the shoulder.

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It was like a bloody mist went out across the front of my face.

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I smelled that.

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And it went, I cussed in my mind, you know, like, because, you know, this really hurts.

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And then I got my bearings and I went through my mind.

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They're going to murder me now.

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They're going to kill me now.

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We're up on the hill, just about straight across from where the house was, where Hroyuchi was apparently placed strategically.

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That was the sniper.

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That was the sniper.

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Mm-hmm.

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You can see very clearly.

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Well, at least I know where the house was.

381
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But I can see everything real clearly from here.

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You can see that old cook stove laying on the platform right now.

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If I can see that, and he had a scope, I know he could see a lot more.

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He first took a shot at my dad and hit him in the back, came out through his armpit.

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And then, as they were running into the house, he shot my mother.

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And it went through her head and killed her.

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And the bullet then entered Kevin Harris.

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Where was your mother at the time?

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Standing right about where that cook stove is.

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00:24:01,980 --> 00:24:03,820
It'd be about exactly where she was.

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She was holding my little sister.

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I was 10 months old at the time.

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So Vicki goes to the door while she's nursing little Alicia, pushes the door open frantically because she hears the gunfire.

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And here comes the whole family running in the door.

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The bullet had come through the window in the door.

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Would have went through Vicki's face here and come out this.

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Or let's see, she was facing that way.

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Would have come in here, out here, right over the baby's head, and into Kevin.

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Kevin's coming in.

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It went in his left arm.

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And the main part of the bullet broke two ribs and stopped about this far from his heart.

402
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That was an excellent shot, but a very sad day for America when one of my fellow officers and soldiers has to shoot a mother holding her little baby.

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I turn around.

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There's Vicki.

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She's kind of down on her knees and her head.

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I think it was Dad picked Alicia up out from underneath Mom and handed her to me.

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And she had blood and stuff all over her head, and we were afraid that she had gotten hit, too.

408
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But she was okay.

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It was just Mom's blood.

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And that's when we went around and drew the curtains and all the windows and shut the door, obviously.

411
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And we didn't come out after that.

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The family locked themselves in the cabin for over a week.

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Nobody but the Weavers and the FBI knew that Vicki had been killed.

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How many of you against one is there, huh?

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We want a head count.

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00:25:52,020 --> 00:25:54,800
We want to know how many are still alive up there.

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I remember hearing people underneath the house rustling through our stuff.

418
00:26:03,220 --> 00:26:06,300
I remember the floodlights coming through the cracks of the curtains.

419
00:26:06,300 --> 00:26:17,200
And hearing their stupid, whatever they are, half-tracks or whatever, rolling over stuff in the yard.

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00:26:17,500 --> 00:26:18,560
They crunched our generator.

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00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:20,000
They ran over our outhouse.

422
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Not to mention, down at the Y where everything happened,

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after they shoot the dog, and then my brother, they ran over the dog.

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It's just sick.

425
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Baby killers!

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Baby!

427
00:26:47,140 --> 00:26:47,660
Huh?

428
00:26:47,980 --> 00:26:48,980
Baby killers!

429
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:50,700
You're all baby killers!

430
00:26:50,860 --> 00:26:52,460
You're a bunch of senseless bastards!

431
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All of you!

432
00:26:54,380 --> 00:26:59,060
Two miles down in the valley, the protest at the roadblock had swaled to thousands.

433
00:26:59,060 --> 00:27:02,620
People travelled from across America to support the Weavers.

434
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,120
Nobody can murder a 14-year-old boy.

435
00:27:07,700 --> 00:27:14,040
Any adult in his right mind would never, ever agitate a 14-year-old boy into a mortal gunfight

436
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and justify it as right.

437
00:27:16,540 --> 00:27:20,260
There's just no way it can ever be justified as right in my book.

438
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,940
I'm a father, and I'm an American, and I'm sick into my soul.

439
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,600
Jack McLam and Bo Grites were in the crowd.

440
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:31,340
Jack and Bo are both ex-military officers who've jumped ship

441
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and become heroes to the anti-government activists.

442
00:27:34,180 --> 00:27:35,860
It was surreal.

443
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:36,800
It was incredible.

444
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What we had was, I'd never seen so many FBI, DEA agents, U.S. marshals, local police, state

445
00:27:45,900 --> 00:27:47,620
police in one place in my life.

446
00:27:48,180 --> 00:27:55,140
We had armored personnel carriers, and then they were all dressed in military uniforms

447
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with Kevlar.

448
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This is America.

449
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What is going on here?

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Every day, they would shout at us through the bullhorn or loud thing, whatever you call

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it, and they'd say, Vicki, Vicki, tell Randy to pick up the phone, and Dad would scream

452
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out, you son of a bitch, as you shot her or whatever.

453
00:28:15,780 --> 00:28:18,300
You know she's dead, and they'd never answer us.

454
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,100
And I know they could hear through the walls.

455
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:22,120
They were under the house.

456
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:23,240
They were around the house.

457
00:28:23,300 --> 00:28:23,760
They were everywhere.

458
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,320
How much will you take?

459
00:28:27,140 --> 00:28:28,880
How much will you compromise?

460
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:30,620
What are you doing?

461
00:28:30,620 --> 00:28:32,920
How many dead patriots will you bury?

462
00:28:34,380 --> 00:28:39,180
But there were people who were holding up signs that said, death to Zog.

463
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:40,620
What does Zog mean?

464
00:28:41,340 --> 00:28:43,580
It means Zionist occupational government.

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00:28:43,860 --> 00:28:49,480
And the neo-Nazis, Randy had attended their church a couple times, and he didn't like it,

466
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so he left.

467
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,640
And so they felt they would come to his aid.

468
00:28:52,980 --> 00:28:57,500
And so they were there with their signs saying it was the Zionist occupational government was

469
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doing all this.

470
00:28:58,860 --> 00:29:00,320
It was a week into the siege.

471
00:29:00,580 --> 00:29:03,440
The FBI had failed to convince the weavers to come out.

472
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:08,240
So they invited Jack and Bo up the mountain to talk with Randy and his daughters through

473
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the cabin walls.

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00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:19,980
Bo Grites and Jack McLamb walking across the bridge, across Ruby Creek, heading to Randy's

475
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mountain house.

476
00:29:21,860 --> 00:29:26,820
Later that night, Jack and Bo came back down the mountain to tell the protesters what they'd

477
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learnt.

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00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:31,840
I want all of you in the vigil to join your hands.

479
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:32,780
I want you to get close.

480
00:29:32,940 --> 00:29:33,900
I want you to get warm.

481
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:36,880
I've got good news and I've got bad news.

482
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:42,520
The good news is that we went right up to the top of the hill and established an immediate

483
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,540
dialogue like I knew we could with Randy.

484
00:29:45,900 --> 00:29:47,100
Wasn't any problems at all.

485
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:49,360
This communication is going to continue.

486
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:50,520
I want your hands joined.

487
00:29:51,060 --> 00:29:51,700
That's an order.

488
00:29:51,700 --> 00:29:54,120
I've got a reason for it.

489
00:29:54,620 --> 00:29:59,780
The bad news, and get a grip on yourself, is that Vicki was killed.

490
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:01,720
Damn.

491
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:09,380
And the most unfortunate thing, apparently she was killed on Saturday.

492
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:17,040
A wonderful mother has had her life taken and she's in God's hands as we speak.

493
00:30:17,580 --> 00:30:19,740
Our fathers may approach that room tonight.

494
00:30:19,740 --> 00:30:21,900
That we're thankful that some are that Delilah.

495
00:30:22,260 --> 00:30:23,200
We pray again tonight.

496
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:26,500
Your blessing upon men.

497
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,060
That are the girls.

498
00:30:30,740 --> 00:30:31,980
And the men.

499
00:30:33,980 --> 00:30:38,240
Our father, we ask that you be with Kevin tonight and get him through.

500
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,420
That we are women of Yah.

501
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,800
And you will not let this come to pass again.

502
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:49,060
Because we are the virtuous women.

503
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,020
You are his enemy.

504
00:30:51,740 --> 00:30:56,460
And you will never receive us in your hands again.

505
00:30:57,420 --> 00:30:58,700
From our savior.

506
00:30:59,740 --> 00:31:00,260
Never.

507
00:31:00,660 --> 00:31:04,300
Will you take another woman down.

508
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:05,740
Never.

509
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:07,580
And may we die.

510
00:31:07,700 --> 00:31:09,000
We're going to war.

511
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,500
Be proud to serve these morons.

512
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:13,220
They don't care if you die.

513
00:31:13,580 --> 00:31:15,340
They put you out here in front.

514
00:31:16,460 --> 00:31:17,400
You're nothing.

515
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:20,100
You're nothing.

516
00:31:20,860 --> 00:31:21,860
I, I'm waiting.

517
00:31:21,980 --> 00:31:23,400
Don't touch me.

518
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:24,240
I'm waiting for you.

519
00:31:24,460 --> 00:31:24,940
Break out.

520
00:31:24,940 --> 00:31:30,540
The spinning had begun in earnest.

521
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:34,160
The FBI said that Randy might have shot his own son in the back.

522
00:31:34,580 --> 00:31:36,860
They said that the weavers were white supremacists.

523
00:31:37,100 --> 00:31:38,900
That they lived in a mountain fortress.

524
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:40,620
Or a heavily armed compound.

525
00:31:41,180 --> 00:31:43,960
The media reported these allegations as fact.

526
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:48,080
At one point they said you had like bunkers and.

527
00:31:49,620 --> 00:31:50,020
Yeah.

528
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:50,960
The root cellar.

529
00:31:53,580 --> 00:31:53,940
Yeah.

530
00:31:54,020 --> 00:31:55,200
They said this was a compound.

531
00:31:56,540 --> 00:31:58,900
That's why they could sneak up within 15 feet of us.

532
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,220
I came to a point in my mind that I knew we was all dead.

533
00:32:05,180 --> 00:32:06,480
And it was just a matter of time.

534
00:32:07,260 --> 00:32:08,280
And it didn't even matter.

535
00:32:09,140 --> 00:32:11,920
Except I was hoping that if they killed any of us.

536
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:13,380
They were going to kill us all and do it quick.

537
00:32:13,380 --> 00:32:14,920
Because I didn't want to see my kids suffer.

538
00:32:17,580 --> 00:32:19,760
They'd already, they'd already proven that they, you know,

539
00:32:19,780 --> 00:32:21,300
were willing to kill kids.

540
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:24,260
They claimed they're there for the.

541
00:32:24,700 --> 00:32:27,000
They'd sent a hostage rescue team.

542
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:28,320
That ain't no hostage rescue team.

543
00:32:28,420 --> 00:32:30,740
That's an FBI terrorist team is what it is.

544
00:32:31,100 --> 00:32:31,820
They're snipers.

545
00:32:33,660 --> 00:32:35,880
They put a name like hostage.

546
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:37,420
There were no hostages up there.

547
00:32:39,500 --> 00:32:40,880
Hostages don't pack guns.

548
00:32:43,380 --> 00:32:45,740
They said you had booby traps and landmines.

549
00:32:45,740 --> 00:32:46,340
Oh, yeah.

550
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:47,960
They said a lot.

551
00:32:48,020 --> 00:32:50,920
They said I was wanted for robbing banks in Montana and Washington.

552
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:52,200
They made up all kinds of garbage.

553
00:32:52,300 --> 00:32:52,820
It wasn't true.

554
00:32:54,540 --> 00:33:01,820
But that way, see, they can justify to the public it's okay to kill us because we're all crazy and we're bad guys, right?

555
00:33:01,820 --> 00:33:03,060
But that's why they do it.

556
00:33:03,500 --> 00:33:07,320
So why do you think some people were blaming Zog for what happened upon Ruby Rich?

557
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:08,140
Oh, I don't know.

558
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:14,180
I suppose they figured that Zog controls the federal government and that that's who has come up there and ruined their lives.

559
00:33:14,740 --> 00:33:16,460
Took some of our lives as the federal government.

560
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:19,140
They have a lot of influence.

561
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:20,440
The Zionists have a lot of influence.

562
00:33:20,580 --> 00:33:22,880
I mean, we give them $3 billion a year, you know.

563
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:28,360
That talking about Zionist Jews, there's like four different kinds of Jews.

564
00:33:28,500 --> 00:33:29,080
They ain't all bad.

565
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:38,060
Some conspiracy theorists say that the demonization of Randy Weaver as a white supremacist is thematic of the New World Order's tactics,

566
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:42,880
that they falsely accuse anyone of anti-Semitism who gets too close to the truth.

567
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:44,740
Could this be true?

568
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:46,340
One thing's for sure.

569
00:33:46,340 --> 00:33:50,940
In terms of Randy Weaver, the white supremacy angle was clearly working.

570
00:33:51,220 --> 00:33:54,520
Okay, let's talk about another civil rights issue, this Randy Weaver.

571
00:33:54,660 --> 00:33:56,300
He was in the Aryan Nation.

572
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:01,820
My neighborhood, if a guy put swastikas on his kids, I would be a little suspicious.

573
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,420
I would say, come on over, we'll have some fruit.

574
00:34:05,540 --> 00:34:09,840
The government is saying the order to the men in the field is shoot to kill.

575
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:10,760
And they shot to kill.

576
00:34:10,860 --> 00:34:11,480
They kill the dog.

577
00:34:11,580 --> 00:34:12,100
They kill the dog.

578
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:12,680
Kill the dog.

579
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:13,560
Then they kill the son.

580
00:34:13,820 --> 00:34:14,680
They shot him in the back.

581
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:16,800
They shot the dog in the back.

582
00:34:16,940 --> 00:34:18,080
Can you believe that, Gary?

583
00:34:18,240 --> 00:34:19,860
That is...

584
00:34:19,860 --> 00:34:21,060
Oh, man.

585
00:34:21,260 --> 00:34:22,420
That's a canine American.

586
00:34:22,660 --> 00:34:23,500
He's got his rights.

587
00:34:24,980 --> 00:34:26,780
That was the worst thing that happened.

588
00:34:26,900 --> 00:34:31,160
Listen, I think if you're going to error, I would like people at the era to protect me and my...