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We're going to an apple, too.

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Action.

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It's a breaking case of being cheerleaders.

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Yeah.

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Oh, my God!

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In 1997, I made a documentary about the world of male porn performers in Los Angeles.

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I don't want to cause offence to anyone when I say that I look at Taliesin

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and I don't automatically think there's a porno performer.

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Are you John Doe?

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Yeah, what's up?

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How's it going? I'm Louis from the BBC.

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Break a leg.

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Finding out how difficult and stressful it can be having sex on camera for a living.

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Action.

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Let's cut.

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Let's break. Let's break.

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It seems like the easiest job in the world, really, let's face it.

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It's not.

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Many, many men have tried and very few have made it.

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Action.

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Fifteen years on, I'd heard about big changes in the industry.

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Orn was struggling, under threat from piracy on the internet.

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On the tube sites, pretty much killed the business.

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Killed it.

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If you've got a guy who's seen 500 porns, you know, whatever you're going to do isn't going to particularly astound him.

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How are you doing?

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How are you, my friend?

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Good to see you.

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So I'd returned to Los Angeles, curious how my old friends were faring.

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All right, good to see you.

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And to meet the new crop of performers pursuing a dream of porn stardom in an industry where a stable career was more elusive than ever.

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You like girls, you like boys, you like getting tied up.

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The only thing you don't like, actually, you like everything.

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Everybody has to do something at some point in their life that they may not want to do necessarily, but they do it because they have to.

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I am someone that does blow bangs.

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I am someone that does anal scenes.

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That's who I am.

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That's who I'm becoming.

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And I'm okay with that.

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My journey was starting in the San Fernando Valley, America's capital of porn.

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Faced with competition from free YouTube-style porn sites, studios have responded by making films with higher production values for the couples market.

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I've been invited to the latest shoot by Wicked Pictures.

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The male lead was the rising star, Xander Corvus.

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How are we doing?

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Nice to meet you.

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Good.

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Nice to meet you too, man.

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I'm Louis.

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Xander.

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Xander.

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You're a performer in the business.

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I am.

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You've been doing this.

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How long have you been doing this?

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About a year, a little over a year and a half.

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So you will be having sex with someone this afternoon on camera?

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I will.

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I feel like an asshole.

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Alexa, I think her name is.

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Alexa.

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Have you seen her yet?

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No.

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Have you ever done a scene with her before?

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No.

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Is it important that you find her attractive?

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I've had to do scenes with some girls that I wasn't particularly attracted to, you know?

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But, you know, I get it up anyway.

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I mean, I'm 23.

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I just turned 23.

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So it's usually not a problem.

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And if it is, then it's like, okay, Cialis.

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Cool.

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We're good.

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You know?

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Cialis?

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Boner pill.

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It's like Viagra.

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Yeah.

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You can get it at any doctor.

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But we go to, like, the porn doctor, basically.

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So what is this called, this movie?

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Um, I don't know.

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I forget.

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We have the white virginous kind of look here.

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The film's director, Brad Armstrong, was also an occasional performer.

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Brad, have you worked with Alexa before?

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I have indeed.

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Yeah.

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And she, let me just say, that Alexa is a lot of fun.

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I mean, you directed her, but did you mean that you've also performed with Alexa?

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We've made the sweet love a number of times.

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Yeah.

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She's fun.

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All the garbage that you've thrown away.

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Stop.

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Stop.

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Stop.

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Stop.

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Look deep into each other's eyes without touching.

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Is this set in a period, a certain period of history, Fred?

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It's not so much a specific period, but it's period-esque.

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You know how, in the romance novel, there's always that guy with the open pirate-esque shirt

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and the girl in her little kind of Spanish.

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It's just sort of in romance land.

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Romance land.

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And kiss.

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So much garbage will never, ever decay.

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Do you recommend it as a lifestyle?

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Because it's a very particular kind of a business to be in, isn't it?

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It depends on the person.

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If you're straight and business-minded, like Nicole's going through for a bachelor's right now.

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Who's Nicole?

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Sorry.

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What's the chick over there?

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What's the girl's name?

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Alexa, sorry.

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Her name is Alexa or Nicole?

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Alexa Nicole.

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Her first name is Alexa.

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Alexa Nicole, exactly.

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So, you very much get a wide variety.

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I've had sex with her a couple of times.

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I have.

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And you didn't remember her name.

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No, I just blanked.

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And action!

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My girl, I can't.

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My father will never allow this.

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You know this.

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Let's do that live one more time.

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Which one?

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Hers.

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I know.

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But my father will never allow it.

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You know this.

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Not this and this.

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Okay.

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All righty, and go from there and action.

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I know.

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Fuck.

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And I too.

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And I too.

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I love you.

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As in I love you.

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I love you too.

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Are you enjoying the scene?

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Yeah, dude, she's great.

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I'm really feeling her.

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Like, I think we have a pretty good chemistry going.

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So, that's good.

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It's work, isn't it?

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Yeah, it's work.

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It's not sex for pleasure.

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It's fun, but it's definitely not sex for pleasure.

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How are you doing, Brad?

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So far, so good.

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Are they okay?

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What are they doing?

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They're just moving.

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He's walking around with his willy out.

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Yeah.

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Just like that.

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Look at that.

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Some people are a little more...

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Do you want to stroke it all with him, please?

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Flamboyant than others.

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Yeah, yeah.

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With their penis out.

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Yes.

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Oh.

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Oh.

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Yes, yes, yes.

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Oh, yes.

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No, less porno.

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Yes, yes, yes.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Two.

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Got it.

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Now I got it.

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How did that go?

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Do you feel closer now that you just had sex?

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It was a pretty romantic scene.

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Yeah, it was.

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We're not going to run and get married, but it definitely, like, opens a lot of doors to

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the person, like, we were more comfortable around a person.

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Yeah.

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It's something quite touching about seeing you there like that, and how your legs are kind

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of crossed over like that.

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It's almost like you have just had a romantic moment.

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We did.

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Yeah.

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We really did.

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Do you have a boyfriend, Alexa?

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Yeah.

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Yes, I do.

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Who you live with?

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Yes.

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Kids?

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No.

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Would you like to have kids one day?

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Definitely.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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You're not worried about your kids seeing one of your scenes?

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Not at all.

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And if they were to, I think sex is perfectly natural, so I don't think it's anything that

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someone should be ashamed of.

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My next stop was the offices of one of the industry's leading talent agencies, LA Direct.

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It's founder and CEO is the performer known as Ben English.

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His real name, Derek Hay.

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Louis.

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Hello.

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How are you doing?

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Ah.

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How are you?

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Good to meet you.

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Yeah, good to meet you.

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Now, you've got a busy day here today, haven't you?

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What have you got going on?

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I'm not sure how many shoots we're doing today, but there's today's schedule.

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She's doing an unusual shoot, actually.

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She's doing a gangbang, which a lot of people think, say, gangbang when you talk about the

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porn industry, but actually it's pretty rare.

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Is there a rate for a gangbang?

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Would there be a going rate for something like that?

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Anywhere from $3,000 to $8,000.

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I don't know if people consider that a lot or not.

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I don't know.

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Yeah.

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For a gangbang, is it a lot?

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I don't know.

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A few doors down from Derek is his number two, Fran Amador.

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Hello.

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Hello.

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You must be Fran.

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I might be.

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Who wants to know?

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Louis.

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Louis.

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How do you do?

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So is that what you pay the talent with?

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Some of it is for the talent, yes.

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Most of them are checks.

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How's business?

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Could always be better.

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Do you think the internet and piracy and free porn on the internet has had an impact?

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Yes.

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Devastatingly.

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And so how has that had a knock-on effect on the industry and the performers?

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Less work.

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There's less work and there's an abundance because of the economy of performers.

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There are only enough people shooting to give everybody a day's work.

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You see a lot of people coming in here and saying that, you know, they want to be in adult

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movies, right?

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Do you have to give them a talk where you explain what the consequences are and how it's likely

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to affect them and have they thought it through?

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No.

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Why not?

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Because then I would talk half the girls, three-quarters of the girls out of the business

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and then we wouldn't be in business.

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I'm here to promote the adult industry, not put a curse on it.

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Jinx, jinx, jinx!

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Brian, you get on with jinx pretty well.

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Can't stand the sight of her.

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Can't stand the sight.

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She's a good earner for you.

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Is she?

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Are you a good earner?

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What have you got?

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Because you're always trying to short me.

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This is what they do.

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They think I was born yesterday.

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Well, she's coming here to give you the money, Fran.

276
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I'm trying to short you, Fran.

277
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Here you go.

278
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Are you working this week, Jinx?

279
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Yeah, I'm working tomorrow.

280
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What are you doing?

281
00:09:56,900 --> 00:09:58,520
I'm going to get pounding my ass tomorrow.

282
00:10:00,680 --> 00:10:03,420
Do you have respect for what they do, the performers?

283
00:10:05,580 --> 00:10:07,060
It's a lot of work, isn't it?

284
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Or it can be.

285
00:10:08,020 --> 00:10:11,880
I think working 64 hours a week in an office is hard work.

286
00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:16,720
I don't think going to set and fucking someone is as hard as we have to do on a daily basis.

287
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It's not something I would want for my child.

288
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Why not?

289
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Because it fucks with their heads.

290
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I don't want to be the mother of a whore.

291
00:10:27,580 --> 00:10:28,060
Hi.

292
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Veronica.

293
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I'm Louis.

294
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Stephania.

295
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Stephania is another of your clients.

296
00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:35,680
Yes.

297
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Performers.

298
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Yes.

299
00:10:38,020 --> 00:10:39,620
And how long have you been doing it, Stephania?

300
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I just started.

301
00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:42,520
I did, like, three shoots so far.

302
00:10:42,740 --> 00:10:43,600
Oh, well, okay.

303
00:10:43,660 --> 00:10:44,400
So you're pretty new.

304
00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:45,260
Yes, I am.

305
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To the whole thing.

306
00:10:45,940 --> 00:10:46,940
And how's it going for you?

307
00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:47,780
It's going pretty good.

308
00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:48,300
Yeah?

309
00:10:48,300 --> 00:10:48,440
Yeah.

310
00:10:48,660 --> 00:10:49,140
I like it.

311
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I enjoy it.

312
00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:50,400
How old are you?

313
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I'm 22.

314
00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:51,760
22?

315
00:10:51,940 --> 00:10:52,220
Yes.

316
00:10:52,580 --> 00:10:54,260
So you've done three scenes, did you say?

317
00:10:54,260 --> 00:10:54,900
I've done three scenes, yes.

318
00:10:54,900 --> 00:10:55,560
And what were they?

319
00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:59,140
Two scenes was boy-girl scenes and one was anal.

320
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Yeah.

321
00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:02,660
Have you ever done anal before?

322
00:11:02,660 --> 00:11:11,040
Um, I actually, like, in my real life, I really don't do much anal, but on cam I do.

323
00:11:11,260 --> 00:11:14,800
So if you don't do it in private, that would suggest maybe you don't enjoy it that much?

324
00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:18,220
I don't enjoy it that much, but I can make it enjoyable.

325
00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,160
I'm not sure that I agree with your question.

326
00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:26,080
I can think a lot of things that we don't do in our personal life that we do at work.

327
00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:26,700
Yeah.

328
00:11:26,780 --> 00:11:31,200
I really regard models in the adult industry as sexual athletes.

329
00:11:31,940 --> 00:11:42,520
So, you know, I don't think that you can say whatever they do on camera as actresses, you know, they would necessarily do in their personal life.

330
00:11:42,580 --> 00:11:43,760
I feel sure that they don't.

331
00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:48,040
I don't know, how are you doing?

332
00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:48,660
I'm good, how are you?

333
00:11:48,660 --> 00:11:49,260
Yeah, all right.

334
00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:50,020
Best to meet you.

335
00:11:50,020 --> 00:11:50,340
Likewise.

336
00:11:50,660 --> 00:11:50,880
Barry.

337
00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:51,380
Barry.

338
00:11:51,620 --> 00:11:51,780
Yeah.

339
00:11:51,940 --> 00:11:52,220
And?

340
00:11:52,340 --> 00:11:52,660
Brandy.

341
00:11:52,900 --> 00:11:53,660
Brandy, Louie.

342
00:11:53,780 --> 00:11:54,600
Nice to meet you.

343
00:11:54,820 --> 00:11:55,420
You're a performer?

344
00:11:55,620 --> 00:11:56,320
I'm a performer.

345
00:11:56,580 --> 00:11:58,000
And are you going out with Brandy?

346
00:11:58,000 --> 00:11:58,820
This is my wife.

347
00:11:58,940 --> 00:11:59,800
Okay, you're married?

348
00:11:59,920 --> 00:12:00,120
Yeah.

349
00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:01,200
And you're both in the industry?

350
00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:01,620
Yes.

351
00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:04,080
They both have sex on camera with other people for a living?

352
00:12:04,340 --> 00:12:04,620
Yeah.

353
00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:10,580
She has a certain yes list of dudes she works with and I have a certain, like, criteria of things I do and don't do.

354
00:12:10,580 --> 00:12:12,140
What's your list of things you won't do?

355
00:12:12,140 --> 00:12:22,240
Uh, I won't do, uh, I don't do gang bangs anymore, blow bangs, um, any type of double anal or double vaginal, anything like that.

356
00:12:22,300 --> 00:12:24,460
And so what are the reasons for those rules?

357
00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:27,740
I'm just not down with rubbing my cock up against another dude's cock.

358
00:12:27,740 --> 00:12:31,400
Any more.

359
00:12:31,740 --> 00:12:34,100
Any more than I have done.

360
00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:44,940
When I was here last time, there were a few guys who I met and I'm curious to sort of know if they're still in the business and how they've made out.

361
00:12:44,940 --> 00:12:50,760
One was John Doe, who you know has passed some years ago, right?

362
00:12:50,780 --> 00:12:51,440
Do you know what happened?

363
00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:55,320
You mean to cause his death?

364
00:12:55,620 --> 00:12:55,940
Yes.

365
00:12:55,940 --> 00:13:13,220
Uh, if depression is the correct word, I think it is related to the sort of struggle of, you know, the onset of the industry and, you know, some years ago, whatever, 2007 or so, you know, where we, the decline of the DVD market.

366
00:13:13,220 --> 00:13:21,520
And, um, you know, a lot of studios and directors sort of found it a struggle to stay viable.

367
00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:26,020
You think him killing himself had something to do with the DVD market?

368
00:13:27,500 --> 00:13:38,120
Well, I think that he's, I think that he was one of many who found their business, uh, in difficulty.

369
00:13:38,540 --> 00:13:39,920
Do you know how he killed himself?

370
00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:41,280
No.

371
00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:42,140
Do you?

372
00:13:42,140 --> 00:13:43,060
No.

373
00:13:48,680 --> 00:13:53,860
With their earnings in the doldrums, porn performers are having to be creative about how they make money.

374
00:13:56,040 --> 00:14:00,780
To learn more, I was visiting the home of LA Direct model Cagney Lynn Carter.

375
00:14:01,100 --> 00:14:01,380
Hello.

376
00:14:02,260 --> 00:14:02,600
Hello.

377
00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:03,500
Can we come in?

378
00:14:04,020 --> 00:14:04,480
I'm Louis.

379
00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:05,800
Cagney, nice to meet you.

380
00:14:05,820 --> 00:14:06,900
Cagney, nice to meet you.

381
00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:08,340
And you are Montae?

382
00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:08,860
Montae.

383
00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:09,920
How are you doing? Nice to meet you.

384
00:14:10,060 --> 00:14:10,560
Same here.

385
00:14:10,560 --> 00:14:12,180
I'm going to use the restroom.

386
00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:13,680
I'll be about 20 minutes.

387
00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:14,780
Okay, you're going to have a bath?

388
00:14:14,940 --> 00:14:15,100
Yeah.

389
00:14:15,100 --> 00:14:15,400
Is that what's happening?

390
00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:18,300
You're going to sort of clean yourself up, get ready for what's about to happen?

391
00:14:18,420 --> 00:14:18,640
Yeah.

392
00:14:18,820 --> 00:14:20,100
I'm going to get ready for the live show.

393
00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:21,160
What is the live show?

394
00:14:21,660 --> 00:14:26,100
It's just a live webcam that I do probably, like, once or twice a month.

395
00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:28,520
And you'll just be a solo performer in this?

396
00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:28,860
Yeah.

397
00:14:28,860 --> 00:14:35,340
Montae, you are Cagney's significant other?

398
00:14:35,540 --> 00:14:35,840
Yes.

399
00:14:36,180 --> 00:14:36,560
Husband?

400
00:14:36,940 --> 00:14:37,360
No.

401
00:14:37,660 --> 00:14:37,880
No.

402
00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:39,040
Hoping to be?

403
00:14:39,540 --> 00:14:40,960
Yeah, eventually, someday.

404
00:14:41,260 --> 00:14:41,980
What do you do?

405
00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:46,840
I am a full-time assistant to my girlfriend.

406
00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:51,740
Do you have rules about what she can't do or what you're comfortable with?

407
00:14:51,740 --> 00:14:52,740
I give my input.

408
00:14:53,140 --> 00:14:58,360
I give my input on what I believe that, you know, she should probably refrain from doing.

409
00:14:58,520 --> 00:14:58,820
Like?

410
00:14:59,460 --> 00:15:08,460
Um, like, for example, her agent called today and asked her, does she want to do a boy-girl scene?

411
00:15:08,460 --> 00:15:12,880
But after the boy-girl scene, five guys come and ejaculate on her.

412
00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:16,160
So you expressed a preference that she not do that?

413
00:15:16,340 --> 00:15:16,800
Of course.

414
00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:17,740
I mean, I rather...

415
00:15:17,740 --> 00:15:18,180
But what did she say?

416
00:15:18,740 --> 00:15:20,960
She said she was going to do it, you know.

417
00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:26,540
Montae was saying that about the scene that you had coming up and about whether you should

418
00:15:26,540 --> 00:15:29,800
let these guys kind of finish their business on you.

419
00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:32,280
I mean, we have, he didn't, he didn't want to talk about it.

420
00:15:32,300 --> 00:15:35,200
So I'm actually surprised that he brought it up with you guys because, babe, you wouldn't

421
00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:36,360
even talk with me about it.

422
00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:39,480
Yeah, I mean, I'm always going to have my opinion, so.

423
00:15:40,500 --> 00:15:44,000
Especially if your agent says that he doesn't think that you should do it.

424
00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:46,540
You saying that I couldn't do it cuts me out of two grand.

425
00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:50,440
And that cuts us out of money so that we can go on vacation and we can do nice things for

426
00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:50,880
ourselves.

427
00:15:50,980 --> 00:15:51,700
I never did say...

428
00:15:51,700 --> 00:15:53,800
So that I can buy you the clothes that you put on your back, Montae.

429
00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:55,540
I never did say that you couldn't do it.

430
00:15:55,900 --> 00:16:02,460
Keckney, you would maybe want to respect his feelings, though, if he, if he was upset by

431
00:16:02,460 --> 00:16:03,760
something that you chose to do.

432
00:16:04,180 --> 00:16:05,120
Are you upset, really?

433
00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:06,200
Like you're upset now?

434
00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:07,520
I didn't say that I was upset.

435
00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:08,340
He didn't, no, no.

436
00:16:08,340 --> 00:16:09,160
I never did say that.

437
00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:12,960
I mean, of course I want to respect his feelings, but sometimes he doesn't know what's best for

438
00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:16,440
me and I know what's best for us because I've been running this train for a long time now.

439
00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:21,160
So Montae sometimes doesn't understand that the reason why I do certain scenes is not

440
00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:22,660
because I'm just a big whore.

441
00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:23,000
No.

442
00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:23,860
I know.

443
00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:25,200
That's crazy.

444
00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:28,740
Because I know that that's going to be the type of scene that might possibly win me an

445
00:16:28,740 --> 00:16:29,120
award.

446
00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:33,960
As an outsider to the business, you know, and sort of representing people at home, what

447
00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:42,420
I would see is that Montae is already taking a lot by seeing the person he loves most in

448
00:16:42,420 --> 00:16:45,300
the world performing sex acts with other people.

449
00:16:45,300 --> 00:16:50,100
Okay, but Montae also gets to have lots of days off where he sits around the house and

450
00:16:50,100 --> 00:16:51,440
plays video games all day, too.

451
00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:55,160
So, okay, like, Montae gets whatever he wants.

452
00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:57,760
He has a really good life that I provided for him.

453
00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:00,180
So, Montae has it easy.

454
00:17:00,180 --> 00:17:02,720
Hi, everyone.

455
00:17:04,460 --> 00:17:05,280
Hi, guys.

456
00:17:07,120 --> 00:17:08,660
Sorry I'm a little late, guys.

457
00:17:10,340 --> 00:17:11,640
Okay, yeah, that's good.

458
00:17:11,860 --> 00:17:13,220
Fuck yeah, that's what I want to hear.

459
00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:15,620
My favorite position?

460
00:17:17,540 --> 00:17:18,700
I'm kind of old-fashioned.

461
00:17:18,900 --> 00:17:21,860
I just like missionary or like scissors.

462
00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:25,460
How did it go?

463
00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:26,280
It was good.

464
00:17:26,700 --> 00:17:27,580
I made a hundred bucks.

465
00:17:27,580 --> 00:17:31,140
Do you have a plan as far as how far you'll go with this?

466
00:17:31,300 --> 00:17:37,760
I definitely want to do, like, another seven years, and by then, I think that me and Montae

467
00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:43,100
will retire, and I mean, everything that I choose to do, or whatever I might do, is just,

468
00:17:44,460 --> 00:17:47,660
you know, to secure a better future for us.

469
00:17:47,700 --> 00:17:53,440
I'm always thinking about the future, and it's a little bit, sometimes it's kind of wearing,

470
00:17:53,620 --> 00:17:57,520
and like, I tell Montae, you know, like, I'm sorry that I'm always so concerned about

471
00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:03,060
money and things like that, but for me, it's just really important that one day I don't

472
00:18:03,060 --> 00:18:04,140
have to do this anymore.

473
00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:09,160
Some of the women that are involved, they don't have a 10-year plan.

474
00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:14,660
It's more about getting their paycheck, going to buy the new Christian Louboutins that they

475
00:18:14,660 --> 00:18:15,660
could fit on their feet.

476
00:18:15,660 --> 00:18:17,100
It's not like that with her.

477
00:18:18,140 --> 00:18:21,300
If you were, she actually has a plan of action.

478
00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:31,960
Cagney brought an incongruous professionalism to her commitment to extreme porn, but it was

479
00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:35,180
hard not to worry about the toll it might take on her relationship.

480
00:18:35,180 --> 00:18:46,880
In 1997, when I'd made my original documentary, one of the performers I'd focused on was a

481
00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:47,980
newcomer to the business.

482
00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:52,560
His porn name was JJ Michaels.

483
00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:55,740
For you.

484
00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:56,160
Hi.

485
00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:57,000
Hey.

486
00:18:57,680 --> 00:18:58,300
How are you doing?

487
00:18:58,380 --> 00:18:59,600
All right, good to see you.

488
00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:01,280
Can I come in?

489
00:19:01,360 --> 00:19:01,840
Of course.

490
00:19:01,940 --> 00:19:02,320
Come on in.

491
00:19:02,660 --> 00:19:06,020
Don't you think, like, with two people who are HIV positive, it's just a matter of time

492
00:19:06,020 --> 00:19:07,660
before there's more?

493
00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:08,740
I mean, you must be worried.

494
00:19:09,120 --> 00:19:11,600
I mean, basically, you have unprotected sex.

495
00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:16,120
Yeah, but I don't think about it, so I assume I'm safe, you know?

496
00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:18,500
And that way, I don't go home and worry every night.

497
00:19:19,340 --> 00:19:20,680
If you did that, you'd just quit.

498
00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:23,520
Well, maybe quitting wouldn't be a bad option in my case.

499
00:19:23,900 --> 00:19:26,180
Well, I guess if you're worried about it, yeah.

500
00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:28,140
Of course, I don't, so, you know.

501
00:19:29,120 --> 00:19:34,800
Fifteen years on, JJ was out of the business and now working in IT in suburban Missouri.

502
00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:37,460
I wasn't comfortable talking about it.

503
00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:38,580
I mean, no.

504
00:19:39,020 --> 00:19:40,480
Ah, the Jimmy Bone one.

505
00:19:40,500 --> 00:19:41,540
I think I told you about this one.

506
00:19:41,820 --> 00:19:43,720
It was the James Bond spoof that I...

507
00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:45,380
Oh, yeah, you directed that one, didn't you?

508
00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:48,900
Yeah, yeah, yeah, as long as I directed it was a silly James Bond spoof.

509
00:19:48,900 --> 00:19:49,740
That was a two-parter.

510
00:19:49,820 --> 00:19:50,420
That's pretty cool.

511
00:19:50,420 --> 00:19:52,140
Yeah, these are like some old, old just...

512
00:19:52,140 --> 00:19:54,680
Naked outdoors, naughty little nymphos.

513
00:19:54,980 --> 00:19:56,620
Is it wrong to be sodomized?

514
00:19:56,940 --> 00:19:59,120
Young and anal, gutter mouths ate.

515
00:19:59,660 --> 00:20:01,380
When we met, it was early 97.

516
00:20:02,260 --> 00:20:05,180
You stayed in after that for three years?

517
00:20:05,380 --> 00:20:05,660
Yes.

518
00:20:05,940 --> 00:20:07,080
And how did you find it?

519
00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:08,420
It wasn't bad.

520
00:20:08,540 --> 00:20:15,260
I mean, especially like the second year and, you know, when I really knew people and I felt comfortable.

521
00:20:15,260 --> 00:20:17,760
It wasn't like I was meeting new people every time I went to a set.

522
00:20:17,820 --> 00:20:18,440
I knew all the crew.

523
00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:21,420
I was married in 99 to another actress.

524
00:20:21,420 --> 00:20:25,420
And my little brother died at the end of 99.

525
00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:30,980
And when that happened, I took like a month or so off and...

526
00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:32,580
How did he die?

527
00:20:33,420 --> 00:20:35,260
Uh, drug overdose.

528
00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:38,180
Getting into the business was caused by the death of my son.

529
00:20:38,260 --> 00:20:41,280
In a way, it kind of shocked me and did something.

530
00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:43,340
And this, in essence, kind of got me out.

531
00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:46,540
It just made me rethink like, well, do I really want to do this forever?

532
00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:49,880
You think you got in because of the death of your baby son?

533
00:20:50,500 --> 00:20:57,640
I think my recklessness was part of that emotion.

534
00:20:59,020 --> 00:21:02,000
And I think that entire mentality came from that.

535
00:21:02,140 --> 00:21:04,640
I mean, experiencing such a loss does a lot to you.

536
00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:08,360
And at that point in my life, I said, well, what do I have to lose?

537
00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:09,720
How did your son die?

538
00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:11,180
Uh, it was from SIDS.

539
00:21:12,500 --> 00:21:14,480
That's, uh, is that cot death, basically?

540
00:21:14,740 --> 00:21:15,460
Sudden infant death?

541
00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:17,100
Yeah, yeah, it's a British cot death.

542
00:21:17,340 --> 00:21:19,680
Yeah, he was, uh, seven half months.

543
00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:24,200
I never realized those two events went together like that.

544
00:21:24,420 --> 00:21:25,980
I wasn't comfortable talking about it.

545
00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:28,000
I mean, certain things like that,

546
00:21:28,060 --> 00:21:33,440
it takes a long time to even be comfortable discussing them

547
00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:36,600
or relating to them, understanding them.

548
00:21:36,860 --> 00:21:38,540
And, you know, obviously now I can.

549
00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,700
So this is the room where I have a, uh, I have my setup here.

550
00:21:42,780 --> 00:21:44,180
This is where I record my demos.

551
00:21:44,340 --> 00:21:45,340
I use the keyboard.

552
00:21:45,780 --> 00:21:47,260
What kind of lyrics do you write?

553
00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:50,040
Well, this concept for the first album,

554
00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:54,720
it's a main character who goes into a mental hospital

555
00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:58,080
because he was arrested for killing his girlfriend.

556
00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:02,920
Um, but in the end, he actually didn't do it.

557
00:22:03,540 --> 00:22:05,600
When you lose someone, you know, when I did,

558
00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,080
you feel an overwhelming sense of guilt about it.

559
00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:08,960
Like, it's your fault.

560
00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:14,280
And the main character in this believes he killed this girl that he loves.

561
00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:17,500
But he didn't.

562
00:22:17,660 --> 00:22:18,560
And it is metal?

563
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:19,220
Yes.

564
00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:20,060
Yeah, definitely.

565
00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:23,760
It's a, I call it progressive power thrash metal.

566
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:32,040
One of the things that happened in the time since we taped that show

567
00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,320
was that John Doe died.

568
00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:35,800
What do you know about that?

569
00:22:35,940 --> 00:22:39,360
I remember when one of my friends called me and said that he hung himself, I believe.

570
00:22:39,360 --> 00:22:43,020
It was kind of, I mean, it was kind of shocking.

571
00:22:43,380 --> 00:22:45,660
You're like, okay, why?

572
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,260
I mean, it's a stressful job, obviously.

573
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:49,560
It's horribly stressful.

574
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:55,680
By 2006, um, I mean, the industry had changed quite a bit.

575
00:22:56,140 --> 00:22:58,760
Was it the fact that there were so many new guys coming in,

576
00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,060
the industry was spreading out, it was breaking apart,

577
00:23:01,220 --> 00:23:05,500
the sense of family was gone, and he really felt like he was alone, you know,

578
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,780
spread out over so much, it's going to have an emotional impact.

579
00:23:08,780 --> 00:23:10,700
impact on you in that business.

580
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,180
Is it a difficult time for performers now?

581
00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:18,380
Yeah, I mean, the way it is now, within five years,

582
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,640
I don't see how there could be a professional porn actor.

583
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:33,260
Back in California, and on the northern outskirts of L.A.,

584
00:23:33,260 --> 00:23:36,680
I was off to meet an industry veteran called Tommy Gunn.

585
00:23:38,780 --> 00:23:42,500
I was curious to get to know someone who was on the verge of middle age,

586
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,500
still making a living performing in adult movies.

587
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:47,440
How are you doing?

588
00:23:47,660 --> 00:23:48,240
What's up, man?

589
00:23:48,700 --> 00:23:50,080
You can park anywhere, that's good.

590
00:23:50,300 --> 00:23:50,660
How are you?

591
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:51,200
You sure?

592
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:55,340
I'd heard that Tommy was struggling with the emotional side of the business.

593
00:23:55,420 --> 00:23:56,000
Come on out.

594
00:23:56,140 --> 00:23:56,400
Welcome.

595
00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:56,880
Thank you.

596
00:23:56,900 --> 00:23:57,160
How are you?

597
00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:57,780
Nice to meet you.

598
00:23:57,820 --> 00:23:58,040
I'm Louis.

599
00:23:58,040 --> 00:23:58,260
My pleasure.

600
00:23:58,400 --> 00:23:58,680
Tommy.

601
00:23:58,920 --> 00:23:59,240
Tommy.

602
00:23:59,240 --> 00:23:59,640
Nice to meet you.

603
00:24:00,060 --> 00:24:01,900
I was collecting them for a while there.

604
00:24:05,120 --> 00:24:08,240
I pretty much won everything they make.

605
00:24:08,820 --> 00:24:11,440
You're known as a very dependable performer, is that correct?

606
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:11,920
Yeah, yeah.

607
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,160
Yeah, not to mention I'm not a bad actor, so.

608
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:16,940
Are there things you won't do?

609
00:24:17,060 --> 00:24:18,280
Do you have rules?

610
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:22,700
You know, I tried to be able to be well-rounded enough to do it all,

611
00:24:22,940 --> 00:24:27,280
because that's what was going to separate me from the next guy who said,

612
00:24:27,360 --> 00:24:28,320
I only do boy-girl.

613
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:33,380
Who's comfortable with being next to a guy this close and a girl?

614
00:24:34,940 --> 00:24:37,080
That's, you know, it is what it is.

615
00:24:37,180 --> 00:24:38,740
Most of the time we know each other anyway.

616
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:39,920
Hey, John, how you been?

617
00:24:39,980 --> 00:24:40,560
Good, what's good?

618
00:24:40,780 --> 00:24:43,280
You know, I don't want to show up and I never met the guy before,

619
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:47,460
and he's just like, I'd rather know him, like, like, hey,

620
00:24:47,620 --> 00:24:51,560
because now it's just like two friends having sex with a girl that,

621
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:52,460
you know, and it works.

622
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:56,080
There's some of the movies up there.

623
00:24:56,120 --> 00:24:56,980
These are so minimal.

624
00:24:57,140 --> 00:24:57,740
These are just.

625
00:24:57,900 --> 00:24:59,600
You've done how many movies, did you say?

626
00:25:00,540 --> 00:25:02,780
Upward of 1,100, 1,200 at this point.

627
00:25:02,980 --> 00:25:04,160
This was kind of a cool movie.

628
00:25:04,260 --> 00:25:05,260
Vivids to die for.

629
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:05,800
That was neat.

630
00:25:06,860 --> 00:25:08,900
Would that be your penis on the back there?

631
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:09,960
No.

632
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:14,340
Do you feel you have a connection with the women that you work with

633
00:25:14,340 --> 00:25:16,960
once you've, you know, had sex with them?

634
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:17,480
Well, I'm okay.

635
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,600
Does it then feel as though you've shared something?

636
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:23,140
Yeah, for me, some people may not think that,

637
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,240
but, you know, for me, there's got to be some intimacy.

638
00:25:26,500 --> 00:25:28,140
I mean, that's an intimate act, isn't it?

639
00:25:28,300 --> 00:25:31,660
In terms of timing, for me, when I got into the business, it worked.

640
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,600
I just go and I have sex with this girl and then I'm done

641
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,480
and they pay me and I leave and I go do my thing

642
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:37,420
and my heart's not involved.

643
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:38,160
Well, guess what?

644
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:39,900
Through time and repetition,

645
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,620
eventually you do have a heart and it does show its face

646
00:25:43,620 --> 00:25:47,260
and it does call out for attention.

647
00:25:48,340 --> 00:25:50,020
You know, I love the business, don't get me wrong,

648
00:25:50,300 --> 00:25:52,180
but at the end of the day, I'm getting older.

649
00:25:52,540 --> 00:25:53,360
I'd like to have kids.

650
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:55,100
It'd be nice to raise a family.

651
00:25:55,580 --> 00:25:58,660
It's difficult having a career like this.

652
00:25:58,660 --> 00:26:03,020
A lot of the performers I've spoken to won't acknowledge that.

653
00:26:03,660 --> 00:26:07,040
They don't acknowledge that there's something intimate about the sex act

654
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,440
and that that can take a toll on your relationships.

655
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:15,820
Maybe if they were to acknowledge that, maybe that would show that they have a human side of some sort

656
00:26:15,820 --> 00:26:20,920
and there is some sort of emotional thing and the last thing they want to do is appear to be vulnerable.

657
00:26:21,360 --> 00:26:25,840
And maybe it'd also be difficult to live with themselves knowing that there's something about the business

658
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:32,900
that they've chosen intrinsically that has a coarsening effect on the human spirit.

659
00:26:33,300 --> 00:26:33,520
Yeah.

660
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:35,400
Everything you gain, you've got to lose something.

661
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:36,620
What did I lose?

662
00:26:36,620 --> 00:26:43,260
I lost my private, intimate sex life in order to have a job doing sex and being paid for it on camera.

663
00:26:45,360 --> 00:26:46,980
Is this your vehicle, Tommy?

664
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:47,760
Yeah, this is, uh...

665
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:49,420
It looks like a riot control vehicle.

666
00:26:49,660 --> 00:26:52,840
My friends would say, hey, you know, that van looks like a zombie van.

667
00:26:52,980 --> 00:26:54,240
I thought, wow, that would be great.

668
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:56,560
Maybe one day we can make a zombie movie.

669
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:58,040
Have you put it in a movie yet?

670
00:26:58,100 --> 00:26:58,700
No, not yet.

671
00:26:59,020 --> 00:26:59,540
Not at all.

672
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:01,740
If you're in a zombie situation, what do you need, right?

673
00:27:01,780 --> 00:27:03,680
You need something that's tough and durable, right?

674
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:07,580
If you have to run over zombies, you can't run over them without this stuff.

675
00:27:07,780 --> 00:27:07,940
Sure.

676
00:27:08,300 --> 00:27:09,320
So I built all this.

677
00:27:09,820 --> 00:27:12,880
In the movie, this will have all the weapons.

678
00:27:13,340 --> 00:27:15,380
Extra gas in case you need gas.

679
00:27:15,460 --> 00:27:17,740
So we got this little setup.

680
00:27:17,900 --> 00:27:18,800
You know, I made all this.

681
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:26,380
And worst case scenario, when you have to get on the roof and you can't get outside because the zombies are out there,

682
00:27:26,820 --> 00:27:27,760
all you do is this.

683
00:27:27,860 --> 00:27:30,960
You can get out right on the roof like this and fight the zombies.

684
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:35,780
I made a documentary in the 90s about the industry.

685
00:27:35,980 --> 00:27:38,800
And one of the guys I followed at that time was John Doe.

686
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:40,640
Did you ever cross paths with him?

687
00:27:41,180 --> 00:27:41,560
Yes.

688
00:27:42,140 --> 00:27:42,660
Yes.

689
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,960
And he, of course, killed himself a few years ago.

690
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:45,060
Yes.

691
00:27:46,120 --> 00:27:47,540
Tragically, it's a shame.

692
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:55,460
But the people who suffer the most when they leave, if there is any suffering, you know, or take it the hardest, are the guys.

693
00:27:55,460 --> 00:28:03,760
Because the guys, you know, through time and through these things, you know, they detach themselves from this, from their heart, from themselves.

694
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:05,960
And, uh, you know.

695
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:09,920
Do you think John Doe's death had something to do with his being in the business?

696
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:15,500
Uh, who knows what other underlying things there were in his life.

697
00:28:15,500 --> 00:28:19,640
But, you know, it could possibly be, you know, it really could.

698
00:28:22,180 --> 00:28:23,080
But you'll be careful.

699
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:23,640
No, of course.

700
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,500
Just keep your feet away from the, uh...

701
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,180
Do I put them on the thing or is that yours?

702
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:30,540
No, you can just have them hang out.

703
00:28:31,620 --> 00:28:35,760
You know, nobody wants to acknowledge anything when it's bad.

704
00:28:36,140 --> 00:28:37,460
Because what does that mean?

705
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:38,900
What does that do, you know?

706
00:28:39,020 --> 00:28:39,520
I don't know.

707
00:28:39,580 --> 00:28:40,100
What does that do?

708
00:28:40,740 --> 00:28:41,540
I'm asking you.

709
00:28:41,540 --> 00:28:56,100
Back in the valley, I had an appointment at another shoot, this one a little more low-end.

710
00:29:01,460 --> 00:29:01,860
Hi.

711
00:29:02,260 --> 00:29:02,900
How are you doing?

712
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:07,280
One of the female performers was a newcomer I'd met at the LA Direct offices.

713
00:29:08,300 --> 00:29:10,020
So have you two guys, have you met yet?

714
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:11,160
No.

715
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:12,160
No.

716
00:29:12,340 --> 00:29:13,180
We're meeting now.

717
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:15,000
Tony.

718
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:15,800
I'm Stefania.

719
00:29:15,980 --> 00:29:16,620
Nice to meet you.

720
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:17,320
Nice to meet you, too.

721
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:19,040
Tony, have you done a few scenes before?

722
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:20,720
I've been in one of the scenes.

723
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:21,540
Was that recently?

724
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:22,540
When did you do that one?

725
00:29:22,780 --> 00:29:24,900
Um, that was, like, a week ago.

726
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:25,880
How old are you?

727
00:29:26,100 --> 00:29:26,700
I'm 23.

728
00:29:26,900 --> 00:29:27,420
You're 23?

729
00:29:27,820 --> 00:29:27,980
Yeah.

730
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:29,260
And how did you get into this?

731
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:35,660
A friend referred me and said, this might help you get through school or whatever, so...

732
00:29:35,660 --> 00:29:36,980
I decided to do it.

733
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:37,700
You're studying?

734
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,380
Yeah, directing and producing at LA Film School.

735
00:29:40,380 --> 00:29:43,440
You're not worried in any way that this could hold you back in the future?

736
00:29:44,020 --> 00:29:51,020
Everybody has to do something at some point in their life that they may not want to do necessarily, but they do it because they have to, they need to.

737
00:29:51,020 --> 00:29:53,260
What are your ambitions, Stefania?

738
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,900
I mean, I do want to stay in this business for as long as I can.

739
00:29:56,980 --> 00:30:00,160
I'm actually trying to, you know, be one of the big porn stars, hopefully.

740
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:07,040
But, um, and then hopefully later on I could, like, you know, start my own business, um, get into, like, TV stuff.

741
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:14,840
I mean, the other way of looking at it would be do it a little bit while you need some money and you're still young and then put it behind you.

742
00:30:15,060 --> 00:30:18,000
But if you break a big name for yourself, that's harder to do.

743
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:24,520
Well, I'm not, yeah, I guess you're right, but still, though, as long as I'm bringing money home, you know, that's all that matters.

744
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:26,240
I'm paying the bills.

745
00:30:26,340 --> 00:30:29,660
I mean, I have a little girl I've taken care of, so really she's my number one priority.

746
00:30:29,940 --> 00:30:30,260
A daughter?

747
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:30,840
Mm-hmm.

748
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:31,340
Do you?

749
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:32,840
Do you have any kids, Tony?

750
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:34,300
No, I don't need a kid.

751
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:35,220
That'd be real bad.

752
00:30:35,660 --> 00:30:36,740
I wouldn't know what to do.

753
00:30:36,780 --> 00:30:38,280
I didn't have parents growing up, so.

754
00:30:38,860 --> 00:30:39,280
Why not?

755
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:46,100
Um, I was, let's say, orphaned at six.

756
00:30:46,460 --> 00:30:47,360
We'll keep it at that.

757
00:30:48,060 --> 00:30:49,040
Who raised you?

758
00:30:49,980 --> 00:30:51,220
Um, U.S. government.

759
00:30:51,220 --> 00:30:51,720
Mm-hmm.

760
00:30:53,180 --> 00:30:54,600
Um, I don't know.

761
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:56,080
Foster homes.

762
00:30:56,940 --> 00:30:59,020
I've been everywhere, all over the place.

763
00:30:59,820 --> 00:31:04,740
I've gone through my fair share of bullshit, so at this point I'm like, you either like me or you don't.

764
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,900
If you don't, keep it pushing because you're messing with my vibe.

765
00:31:08,420 --> 00:31:08,600
No.

766
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:12,980
Is it a little awkward knowing, you know, looking at, you've just met Tony, you've just met Stefania,

767
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,160
knowing that you'll be having an intimate moment a bit later?

768
00:31:16,580 --> 00:31:18,500
Well, he looks good, so hey, that helps.

769
00:31:19,580 --> 00:31:20,840
She's sexy, so we're good.

770
00:31:21,180 --> 00:31:21,620
Here we go.

771
00:31:31,020 --> 00:31:31,780
Can we come in?

772
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:33,880
Yeah.

773
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:40,380
It's really touchy with the new guys.

774
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:40,840
Yeah.

775
00:31:41,180 --> 00:31:43,300
You know, really, this is his second scene.

776
00:31:44,260 --> 00:31:50,940
Once a new guy gets spooked, pretty much, it's a wrap, pretty much after that.

777
00:31:51,940 --> 00:31:54,080
Have you shot quite a few porn movies?

778
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:57,380
Oh, yeah, probably over 3,000.

779
00:31:57,380 --> 00:31:57,960
Really?

780
00:31:57,960 --> 00:31:58,460
Yeah.

781
00:31:58,460 --> 00:32:00,200
I've been in the business since 98.

782
00:32:00,460 --> 00:32:01,300
Since 98?

783
00:32:01,300 --> 00:32:01,800
Mm-hmm.

784
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:02,300
Really?

785
00:32:02,300 --> 00:32:16,900
He spooked?

786
00:32:16,900 --> 00:32:17,400
Yeah.

787
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:19,860
So I just gave him some Viagra.

788
00:32:20,020 --> 00:32:20,660
Hopefully that'll work.

789
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:22,020
Shit.

790
00:32:22,020 --> 00:32:26,460
Let me ever go in the house and give him a little more room, he might.

791
00:32:28,460 --> 00:32:29,960
Oh, I'm sorry about that.

792
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:31,760
Very easily spooked.

793
00:32:33,620 --> 00:32:35,040
It's so deep.

794
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:40,500
Venus is a very tricky animal.

795
00:32:40,660 --> 00:32:41,800
It's a mysterious organ.

796
00:32:42,020 --> 00:32:42,520
Mm-hmm.

797
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:47,840
What is happening in the industry right now, in this sort of post-porn tube era?

798
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:54,400
There's a lot of people who are struggling for work, performer-wise, because it's just

799
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:59,940
not as, it's not how it was in, you know, 05, 06, 07.

800
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:04,860
It was everyone and their mom thought they could do a porn site.

801
00:33:05,060 --> 00:33:08,980
They would do 20 or 30 scenes.

802
00:33:09,340 --> 00:33:11,420
They thought they'd make a million dollars off their website.

803
00:33:11,420 --> 00:33:16,820
Their website didn't make shit, so that content just sits out there.

804
00:33:16,820 --> 00:33:20,260
They don't care about it anymore, so then they end up on the tube sites, so it just pretty

805
00:33:20,260 --> 00:33:23,200
much killed the business.

806
00:33:24,300 --> 00:33:24,900
Killed it.

807
00:33:25,340 --> 00:33:29,140
Like, I tell guys all the time, like, man, you guys better just make this your side gig.

808
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:37,300
How are you doing?

809
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:37,940
I'm doing good.

810
00:33:38,020 --> 00:33:38,260
How are you?

811
00:33:38,340 --> 00:33:40,580
It was a slightly slow start, wasn't there?

812
00:33:40,580 --> 00:33:41,820
From what I understand.

813
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:47,440
To begin with, I think Tony was having a couple of problems getting started.

814
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:49,380
Oh, no, he was fine when we started.

815
00:33:49,580 --> 00:33:49,920
Was he?

816
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:50,340
Yeah.

817
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:50,880
Oh.

818
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:53,600
Did it feel intimate?

819
00:33:54,380 --> 00:33:56,520
I mean, like I said, I mean, no.

820
00:33:56,700 --> 00:33:59,820
I mean, he has a girlfriend and I have a boyfriend, so it's like, we're just doing it.

821
00:33:59,860 --> 00:34:02,580
I mean, of course, he's good looking and he thinks I'm good looking.

822
00:34:02,580 --> 00:34:05,500
You know, I've did three scenes before this one.

823
00:34:05,940 --> 00:34:07,020
I'm actually enjoying this one.

824
00:34:07,140 --> 00:34:08,160
The other ones were like, meh.

825
00:34:09,020 --> 00:34:10,100
He's a good looking guy, you know?

826
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,300
I feel like you two seem like you're kind of clicking a little bit.

827
00:34:13,380 --> 00:34:14,040
Oh, yeah, we're cool.

828
00:34:14,300 --> 00:34:17,200
And that maybe, you know, could you think about going on a date?

829
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,860
I feel like you two were meant to be together.

830
00:34:20,860 --> 00:34:22,040
You're so funny.

831
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:22,800
Oh, my God.

832
00:34:22,940 --> 00:34:23,980
You want us to be together?

833
00:34:25,660 --> 00:34:27,860
You keep saying how good looking Tony is.

834
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:29,520
Is he better looking than your boyfriend?

835
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:33,320
It's totally different.

836
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,940
Actually, to be honest, my boyfriend's not like, he's like a pretty boy.

837
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:38,880
My boyfriend's totally not a pretty boy.

838
00:34:39,140 --> 00:34:40,160
What about you, Tony?

839
00:34:40,580 --> 00:34:41,260
It's kind of funny.

840
00:34:41,260 --> 00:34:42,420
I kind of like the good girls.

841
00:34:42,860 --> 00:34:47,780
Nobody's tainted her or made her look bad about situations or, I don't know.

842
00:34:48,580 --> 00:34:49,540
I like the good girl.

843
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:50,660
Got it.

844
00:34:51,140 --> 00:34:51,420
Mm-hmm.

845
00:34:57,340 --> 00:35:01,860
After one more scene, plus Tony's pop shot, the shoot was a wrap.

846
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:03,660
What are you doing?

847
00:35:03,860 --> 00:35:04,860
We're talking.

848
00:35:05,700 --> 00:35:06,900
We're here watching each other.

849
00:35:06,900 --> 00:35:09,200
We're about to see her watching her so soft now.

850
00:35:09,300 --> 00:35:09,960
I'm getting juices off.

851
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,220
We're getting intimate, like you told us to do.

852
00:35:12,240 --> 00:35:13,840
You look like you're flirting with each other.

853
00:35:14,580 --> 00:35:16,680
You said it happens sometimes, right?

854
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:17,220
Absolutely.

855
00:35:18,220 --> 00:35:23,620
It had been an oddly touching encounter.

856
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:29,740
The two novice performers seem to have done a kind of courtship in reverse,

857
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,880
starting with the sex and ending as something like friends.

858
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:44,200
I had another revisit to make.

859
00:35:46,020 --> 00:35:50,800
Since arriving back in the valley, I'd heard several times that the industry was less extreme now.

860
00:35:51,580 --> 00:35:52,380
How are you doing?

861
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:53,580
How are you, my friend?

862
00:35:53,660 --> 00:35:54,320
Good to see you.

863
00:35:54,380 --> 00:35:55,080
Come on down.

864
00:35:55,240 --> 00:35:55,760
This is...

865
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:56,680
How are you?

866
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:57,360
Yeah, good.

867
00:35:57,580 --> 00:36:00,200
This movie we're working on now is called Forced Entry.

868
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:03,820
It sounds a little bit, you know, sounds a little bit naughty.

869
00:36:05,980 --> 00:36:06,840
Yeah, it is.

870
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:08,180
It's pretty bad.

871
00:36:08,260 --> 00:36:09,160
It's like about rape.

872
00:36:10,660 --> 00:36:11,400
So, yeah.

873
00:36:12,140 --> 00:36:13,380
It's great to see you, man.

874
00:36:13,380 --> 00:36:13,860
You too.

875
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:14,620
It really is.

876
00:36:14,700 --> 00:36:15,320
It is.

877
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:15,740
It's good.

878
00:36:15,860 --> 00:36:16,560
Yeah, how good.

879
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:23,080
In 1997, the more outrageous and gruesome side of the business

880
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:27,200
had been personified by a 23-year-old director named Rob Black.

881
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:29,040
How are you feeling, Lexi?

882
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:31,160
Kind of weird.

883
00:36:31,820 --> 00:36:34,780
Since then, he'd lost a fortune and gone to prison,

884
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:36,800
but now he was back directing.

885
00:36:38,240 --> 00:36:44,040
I created a genre of porn that nobody had seen.

886
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:47,540
Assholes stretched open and just all that.

887
00:36:47,820 --> 00:36:49,280
Just crazy shit.

888
00:36:49,420 --> 00:36:52,440
And now we're in the post-shocking era.

889
00:36:52,620 --> 00:36:52,900
Yes.

890
00:36:53,340 --> 00:36:53,860
Parody.

891
00:36:54,420 --> 00:36:55,980
A huge thing.

892
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:56,860
Oh, well, here.

893
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:57,760
Example.

894
00:36:58,460 --> 00:36:58,740
Here.

895
00:36:59,780 --> 00:37:03,460
This is part of the armor from Iron Man.

896
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:05,960
And for porn, that's actually a pretty good prop.

897
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:07,960
Dude, the suit costs like four grand.

898
00:37:08,300 --> 00:37:10,220
Look, I mean, these are like the legs.

899
00:37:10,220 --> 00:37:15,520
So, yeah, so this is, this is like the private.

900
00:37:18,220 --> 00:37:19,060
Fucking thing.

901
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:20,580
We'll go into your house.

902
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:25,220
This is like a monster company that puts out 20, 30 different lines.

903
00:37:25,580 --> 00:37:26,380
Rodney's birthday.

904
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:27,740
This is shit, you know?

905
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:29,300
It's jerk-off stuff.

906
00:37:29,720 --> 00:37:31,600
You know, but then he puts out the stuff that we do.

907
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:32,800
It's all jerk-off stuff, isn't it?

908
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:34,960
Yeah, but it's, this is stuff.

909
00:37:35,260 --> 00:37:35,980
Here's the thing.

910
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:37,560
Here's the thing, Mr. Thorax.

911
00:37:38,300 --> 00:37:44,240
Where the business is going now is it's acceptable to watch pornography.

912
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:51,920
It's acceptable to sit down with your girlfriend or your wife and introduce her to pornography.

913
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:57,520
But the pornography that you're introducing her to is stuff that I'm doing now.

914
00:37:57,720 --> 00:37:59,840
Not, you know, have a birthday blast.

915
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:00,540
Here we go.

916
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:01,400
This is what we do.

917
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:02,600
This is what I do.

918
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:03,680
Okay, here we go.

919
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:07,200
Catherine America.

920
00:38:07,420 --> 00:38:08,160
In two discs.

921
00:38:08,900 --> 00:38:09,680
X, X, X.

922
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:10,740
Iron Man.

923
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:11,560
Look at that.

924
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:12,840
Dude, look at that.

925
00:38:14,100 --> 00:38:15,140
Come on, that's a porno.

926
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:15,900
How's it doing?

927
00:38:16,260 --> 00:38:17,620
It's doing fucking fabulous.

928
00:38:17,720 --> 00:38:18,000
Is it?

929
00:38:18,180 --> 00:38:18,420
Yeah.

930
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:19,800
Look at this.

931
00:38:20,460 --> 00:38:21,180
Here's mine.

932
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:23,000
3D.

933
00:38:23,140 --> 00:38:24,100
You directed that one?

934
00:38:24,240 --> 00:38:25,260
I directed all of them.

935
00:38:25,500 --> 00:38:26,240
This ain't no bullshit.

936
00:38:27,020 --> 00:38:28,300
This ain't anal fisting.

937
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:29,520
Supergirl.

938
00:38:29,980 --> 00:38:30,380
Look at that.

939
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:30,840
Nice.

940
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:31,840
So what happened to you?

941
00:38:31,860 --> 00:38:32,760
They sent you to prison.

942
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:33,300
Yeah.

943
00:38:33,580 --> 00:38:34,440
And your wife too.

944
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:35,080
Yeah.

945
00:38:35,420 --> 00:38:36,240
What was that like?

946
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:37,120
It's prison.

947
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:37,740
Yeah.

948
00:38:37,940 --> 00:38:38,180
Yeah.

949
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:40,060
What do you want to know about it?

950
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,060
I was raped every day.

951
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:43,340
What were you convicted of?

952
00:38:43,420 --> 00:38:45,160
I was raped and sodomized.

953
00:38:45,260 --> 00:38:46,160
What were you convicted of?

954
00:38:47,020 --> 00:38:47,540
Obscenity?

955
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:47,900
Yeah.

956
00:38:48,140 --> 00:38:48,320
Yeah.

957
00:38:48,820 --> 00:38:49,460
You took a plea.

958
00:38:49,460 --> 00:38:51,100
You seemed very confident of winning.

959
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:52,320
Yeah.

960
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:53,640
So what went wrong?

961
00:38:54,020 --> 00:38:56,960
At the end of the day, it wasn't just me.

962
00:38:57,460 --> 00:38:58,560
Lizzie was involved.

963
00:38:58,840 --> 00:38:59,460
You know what I mean?

964
00:38:59,620 --> 00:39:00,100
Your wife.

965
00:39:00,180 --> 00:39:00,440
Yeah.

966
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:08,960
So I think if we went to trial and we had lost, I think it would have really sucked to have

967
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:10,980
had my wife in prison for four years.

968
00:39:11,300 --> 00:39:12,740
How long did they give you in the end?

969
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:14,860
A year and a day.

970
00:39:14,980 --> 00:39:15,980
Each of you got a year and a day?

971
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:16,640
Each of us got a year and a day.

972
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:17,220
That you served?

973
00:39:17,300 --> 00:39:17,820
Ten months.

974
00:39:17,820 --> 00:39:20,020
In a way, you got what you wanted, didn't you?

975
00:39:20,260 --> 00:39:21,940
Because you wanted to be a provocateur.

976
00:39:22,380 --> 00:39:23,800
You wanted to shake things up.

977
00:39:23,820 --> 00:39:24,320
Yeah, of course.

978
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:25,120
And be outrageous.

979
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:25,640
Yes.

980
00:39:25,860 --> 00:39:26,820
So was it worth it?

981
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:36,440
At the end of the day, my main focus was to be the biggest and baddest provocateur of pornography.

982
00:39:37,180 --> 00:39:39,600
I accomplished that and was it worth it?

983
00:39:41,240 --> 00:39:41,680
Hmm.

984
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:43,440
Was it worth it?

985
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:44,560
I would say yeah.

986
00:39:45,140 --> 00:39:45,320
Yeah.

987
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:49,600
Do you miss the days of being kind of the most outrageous guy on the block?

988
00:39:49,780 --> 00:39:51,980
No, because this is most outrageous now.

989
00:39:52,260 --> 00:39:53,480
It's not outrageous, Rob.

990
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:54,240
Shh, listen to me.

991
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:58,380
I feel like you've been through a lot and you've landed on your feet and you are back directing

992
00:39:58,380 --> 00:40:02,540
and that's great, but that in a way they've tamed you, haven't they?

993
00:40:02,660 --> 00:40:03,200
No, no.

994
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:04,320
Why?

995
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:08,140
Well, I don't see, absolutely not.

996
00:40:08,980 --> 00:40:09,820
You gotta move on.

997
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:11,260
You gotta evolve.

998
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:13,680
Part of evolving is looking back and thinking, you know what?

999
00:40:13,780 --> 00:40:15,700
I thought that was funny at the time.

1000
00:40:15,780 --> 00:40:19,080
Now it seems kind of crass or insensitive or whatever it is.

1001
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:19,640
Definitely.

1002
00:40:19,820 --> 00:40:21,040
Do you feel that at all?

1003
00:40:21,100 --> 00:40:27,880
I don't find anything crass or insensitive because that's taste, but yeah, stretching

1004
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:32,620
anal orifices with multiple cocks and stuff like that, it's silly.

1005
00:40:33,340 --> 00:40:33,860
You know what I mean?

1006
00:40:33,860 --> 00:40:34,720
It's like silly.

1007
00:40:34,900 --> 00:40:39,080
Do you think now looking back that there was a time when maybe you took it too far or

1008
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,200
maybe it wasn't appropriate to make that film?

1009
00:40:41,420 --> 00:40:42,140
No, no, no, no, no.

1010
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,040
Or maybe a woman felt pressured or-

1011
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:44,780
Absolutely not.

1012
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,840
Because we weren't in under- I said we weren't underground.

1013
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:49,220
It was all staged.

1014
00:40:49,900 --> 00:40:51,420
All right, this is what's going to happen.

1015
00:40:51,500 --> 00:40:52,480
The guy's going to come in.

1016
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:53,580
You're going to act scared.

1017
00:40:53,860 --> 00:40:54,640
What the fuck do you think?

1018
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,880
We just got random girls from the street, threw them in a room.

1019
00:40:57,960 --> 00:40:58,920
It was like, okay, you ready?

1020
00:40:59,220 --> 00:40:59,840
Here we go.

1021
00:41:00,060 --> 00:41:00,360
Boo!

1022
00:41:00,720 --> 00:41:02,880
What the fuck are you fucking- I mean, it's retarded.

1023
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:07,260
The films were in the- you know, made a- kind of gloried and reveled in the fact that they

1024
00:41:07,260 --> 00:41:08,780
were degrading women.

1025
00:41:08,940 --> 00:41:09,580
Would you agree?

1026
00:41:09,780 --> 00:41:11,560
Everything wasn't degrading to women.

1027
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:13,900
Watch these sluts get- come on and-

1028
00:41:13,900 --> 00:41:14,140
Okay.

1029
00:41:14,140 --> 00:41:15,140
And then later on-

1030
00:41:15,140 --> 00:41:15,340
Okay.

1031
00:41:15,340 --> 00:41:17,820
You wouldn't think those women might find it embarrassing?

1032
00:41:17,820 --> 00:41:21,320
It's all subjective up to that person.

1033
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:26,240
Degrading somebody and that whole thing is all- it's all up to that person how they felt.

1034
00:41:27,180 --> 00:41:27,860
You know?

1035
00:41:28,220 --> 00:41:30,040
Is there a part of you that misses the old days?

1036
00:41:30,380 --> 00:41:31,220
Not at all.

1037
00:41:31,340 --> 00:41:31,740
Why not?

1038
00:41:32,740 --> 00:41:33,900
Because I outgrew it.

1039
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:47,380
I used to have steak every day for six years and now I decided that, you know,

1040
00:41:47,380 --> 00:41:48,920
I'm going to change it up.

1041
00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:03,260
I don't miss that era of who I was because it was just different sections of my life.

1042
00:42:17,380 --> 00:42:28,760
I was in Las Vegas.

1043
00:42:31,100 --> 00:42:34,340
Tommy Gunn had been booked on a shoot for an internet porn company.

1044
00:42:35,380 --> 00:42:40,740
Since seeing him, I'd been intrigued by his sense of loneliness amid the abundance of available sex.

1045
00:42:40,740 --> 00:42:44,840
He'd agreed to let me see him at work.

1046
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,520
Also in the wings was another male performer.

1047
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:52,000
You are?

1048
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:53,540
Marco Banderas.

1049
00:42:53,720 --> 00:42:54,480
Marco Banderas.

1050
00:42:54,540 --> 00:42:54,720
Yes.

1051
00:42:54,780 --> 00:42:55,200
From Spain?

1052
00:42:55,460 --> 00:42:55,960
From Spain.

1053
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:57,800
Do you know who you're doing a scene with?

1054
00:42:57,900 --> 00:43:00,980
Sometimes I forgot the names because there's too many English names for my mind.

1055
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:02,420
I'm doing a lot.

1056
00:43:02,580 --> 00:43:02,940
Girls.

1057
00:43:03,380 --> 00:43:03,540
Yeah.

1058
00:43:03,620 --> 00:43:05,000
40 girls a month.

1059
00:43:05,180 --> 00:43:06,460
That's more than one a day.

1060
00:43:06,780 --> 00:43:07,600
I have the record.

1061
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:14,620
The last two, three months ago I did the 10 pop shots in three hours and a half.

1062
00:43:14,620 --> 00:43:15,740
What was that like?

1063
00:43:16,660 --> 00:43:17,500
Was it nice?

1064
00:43:17,980 --> 00:43:18,420
Yes.

1065
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:19,540
How are you doing, Tommy?

1066
00:43:19,940 --> 00:43:20,220
Good.

1067
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:20,980
Good to see you.

1068
00:43:21,060 --> 00:43:21,380
Likewise.

1069
00:43:21,580 --> 00:43:22,060
I'm Louie.

1070
00:43:22,180 --> 00:43:22,440
Hi.

1071
00:43:22,580 --> 00:43:23,060
I'm Tasha.

1072
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:23,960
Nice to meet you.

1073
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:24,940
Tasha, are you doing a scene today?

1074
00:43:25,060 --> 00:43:25,780
Yeah, with Tommy.

1075
00:43:26,060 --> 00:43:27,240
Have you worked with Tommy before?

1076
00:43:27,460 --> 00:43:28,140
I have, yeah.

1077
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:29,960
Do you know what kind of scene it is?

1078
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:31,880
Just a standard boy-girl, vaginal.

1079
00:43:32,500 --> 00:43:32,920
Yeah, yeah.

1080
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:35,080
Just plain vanilla boy-girl.

1081
00:43:35,720 --> 00:43:39,000
No extra anal or that nature.

1082
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:40,540
Do you have a long-term plan?

1083
00:43:41,100 --> 00:43:41,860
Yes, I do.

1084
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:43,020
I go to school full-time.

1085
00:43:43,020 --> 00:43:44,920
I'm almost done with my bachelor's at UCLA.

1086
00:43:45,500 --> 00:43:45,940
Studying?

1087
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:47,540
Women's studies in psychology.

1088
00:43:48,220 --> 00:43:48,860
Women's studies?

1089
00:43:49,020 --> 00:43:49,580
Interesting.

1090
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:55,440
Actually, I think it led me to do adult because adult is the only industry in America where

1091
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,060
women get paid more than men.

1092
00:43:57,300 --> 00:44:02,340
Tasha, you're comfortable separating sex from emotional connection?

1093
00:44:02,700 --> 00:44:03,160
Oh, yeah.

1094
00:44:03,340 --> 00:44:07,400
I mean, most of the guys I know that are my age, around 22 years old, are having sex with

1095
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,840
girls all the time, and I don't think that they're looking at it like they're going to

1096
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:11,760
be with that girl forever.

1097
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:15,840
But there's still an emotional, something emotional that has to happen.

1098
00:44:16,060 --> 00:44:19,300
When you have a conversation with somebody, I feel like there's still some sort of intimacy

1099
00:44:19,300 --> 00:44:19,680
in it.

1100
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:20,760
Hmm.

1101
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:21,400
Hmm.

1102
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:22,940
I've got to go do more pretty girls.

1103
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:24,080
Yes.

1104
00:44:24,260 --> 00:44:24,500
Yes.

1105
00:44:24,860 --> 00:44:25,220
Okay, fine.

1106
00:44:25,220 --> 00:44:25,860
Nice to meet you, Tasha.

1107
00:44:25,860 --> 00:44:26,660
We'll see you on set.

1108
00:44:26,740 --> 00:44:27,340
Thank you for that.

1109
00:44:28,180 --> 00:44:29,460
Remember today, right now.

1110
00:44:29,540 --> 00:44:30,540
Remember right now.

1111
00:44:30,780 --> 00:44:31,160
Yeah.

1112
00:44:31,780 --> 00:44:34,700
You will blink your eyes, and you'll remember this conversation.

1113
00:44:35,020 --> 00:44:35,280
Yeah.

1114
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,660
And you'll be 40, and you're going to go, holy fuck.

1115
00:44:38,780 --> 00:44:39,420
I was wrong.

1116
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:40,400
Life isn't long.

1117
00:44:40,740 --> 00:44:41,420
Life is short.

1118
00:44:41,860 --> 00:44:41,980
Yeah.

1119
00:44:41,980 --> 00:44:45,120
So don't go settling for something like, oh, well, you know, life is long.

1120
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:46,020
I've got plenty of time.

1121
00:44:46,100 --> 00:44:46,680
You don't.

1122
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:47,280
Maybe.

1123
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:48,640
Maybe I'm just another dumb girl.

1124
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:52,380
Jackie's awesome.

1125
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:53,600
She's a cutie.

1126
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,800
So what does that mean exactly?

1127
00:44:57,060 --> 00:44:58,840
You'll fuck a pretty girl every day.

1128
00:44:58,980 --> 00:45:00,620
Like, what does that, what does that mean?

1129
00:45:00,780 --> 00:45:01,940
Is that what she said to you?

1130
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:02,300
Yeah.

1131
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:04,420
It's a compliment, number one, saying that you.

1132
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:05,400
Okay, great.

1133
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:06,140
That you were successful.

1134
00:45:06,660 --> 00:45:07,880
So, what does that mean?

1135
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:09,820
I'm trying to wrap my head around it.

1136
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,500
You're interested in striking up a relationship with her?

1137
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:17,180
No, it's just, you know, the truth of the matter is, would these girls be fucking me

1138
00:45:17,180 --> 00:45:18,380
if they weren't getting paid to do it?

1139
00:45:19,240 --> 00:45:21,700
Well, some would and some wouldn't.

1140
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:22,460
Right, so.

1141
00:45:22,540 --> 00:45:22,720
Right?

1142
00:45:22,720 --> 00:45:23,580
You know?

1143
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:25,980
How long have you been single for?

1144
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,440
I've been single now, four years.

1145
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:30,540
Really?

1146
00:45:31,240 --> 00:45:32,700
Describe your ideal woman.

1147
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:38,820
Self-sacrificing and caring and nurturing and, you know, wants to have children.

1148
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,360
Honestly, I'm not going to find her in this business.

1149
00:45:41,540 --> 00:45:45,380
What's stopping you from leaving the business now to find that?

1150
00:45:45,460 --> 00:45:46,360
A financial issue.

1151
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:48,580
You've still got to make the money.

1152
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:51,300
Hey, guys.

1153
00:45:51,300 --> 00:45:54,640
I'm still here on set, just updating you every five seconds.

1154
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:55,540
Here's Marco.

1155
00:45:55,940 --> 00:45:56,680
So, what did you do today?

1156
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:58,880
I did, uh, anything.

1157
00:45:59,240 --> 00:45:59,620
With who?

1158
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:01,220
With, uh...

1159
00:46:01,220 --> 00:46:01,600
I'm ready.

1160
00:46:02,020 --> 00:46:02,520
I don't remember.

1161
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:03,400
Okay, I have to go.

1162
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:03,980
Oh, gosh.

1163
00:46:03,980 --> 00:46:20,620
You feel you've got good chemistry with Tasha?

1164
00:46:20,620 --> 00:46:26,400
Yes, and part of that comes with dealing with many girls over time.

1165
00:46:26,580 --> 00:46:28,300
She doesn't seem that interested in you.

1166
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:29,920
Do you have a comment on that?

1167
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:30,780
No.

1168
00:46:31,380 --> 00:46:39,720
That would just create even more of a, you know, I just kind of just see what I can do about it.

1169
00:46:39,720 --> 00:46:43,300
Take his dick out, because I'm going to go to a wide shot now where you're already stroking

1170
00:46:43,300 --> 00:46:43,780
the whole time.

1171
00:46:43,860 --> 00:46:44,820
So, let's already have it out there.

1172
00:46:45,340 --> 00:46:47,180
And there, go against the wall.

1173
00:46:47,540 --> 00:46:47,860
Okay?

1174
00:46:48,660 --> 00:46:49,060
Rolling.

1175
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:49,720
Action.

1176
00:46:49,720 --> 00:46:56,260
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.

1177
00:46:57,300 --> 00:46:59,000
And you like my customer service?

1178
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:01,560
It's hard to think of other things to say about customer service, though.

1179
00:47:02,500 --> 00:47:04,380
Your experience shopping here is good.

1180
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:05,980
Hopefully, your experience is good.

1181
00:47:06,460 --> 00:47:07,480
I still look forward to it.

1182
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:08,040
Oh, you did?

1183
00:47:08,720 --> 00:47:09,980
I just kind of do my job.

1184
00:47:11,220 --> 00:47:14,240
Smile, put on that face, whatever.

1185
00:47:14,740 --> 00:47:17,340
All right, Donna, you're going to go build from that position.

1186
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:18,480
Gotcha.

1187
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:19,160
You're going to be able to?

1188
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:19,760
Oh, yeah.

1189
00:47:20,100 --> 00:47:20,280
Cool.

1190
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:21,860
You have an ending line here, too.

1191
00:47:22,020 --> 00:47:27,140
We're going to say something like, I hope your shopping experience at ZZ Video is something

1192
00:47:27,140 --> 00:47:28,140
wonderful.

1193
00:47:28,620 --> 00:47:32,100
I hope your experience at ZZ Video was memorable at ZZ.

1194
00:47:32,240 --> 00:47:33,080
Okay, you ready?

1195
00:47:33,260 --> 00:47:33,760
Yeah, I'm ready.

1196
00:47:34,060 --> 00:47:37,120
Okay, I'm rolling and action.

1197
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:41,000
Oh, oh, yeah, you're going to do this.

1198
00:47:41,660 --> 00:47:46,720
I hope your experience at ZZ Video was memorable.

1199
00:47:46,720 --> 00:47:49,980
It was.

1200
00:47:54,980 --> 00:47:55,300
Nice.

1201
00:47:55,620 --> 00:47:56,320
All right, ready?

1202
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:59,180
So you did it?

1203
00:47:59,180 --> 00:48:00,420
I did it, yeah.

1204
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:02,680
Again, I don't know what number that would be.

1205
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:03,980
I kind of lost count.

1206
00:48:04,140 --> 00:48:07,420
Without sounding creepy, you seem to be doing an excellent job.

1207
00:48:07,420 --> 00:48:09,320
You know, I have to.

1208
00:48:09,620 --> 00:48:10,400
That's my job.

1209
00:48:10,900 --> 00:48:15,100
You don't think for a moment in that scene today I was in love with that girl in my mind?

1210
00:48:15,100 --> 00:48:17,720
I shared something with her.

1211
00:48:17,820 --> 00:48:19,040
She didn't even know I shared it with her.

1212
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:23,140
Have you had relationships while you were in the business?

1213
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:27,640
I mean, serious, long-term relationships while you've been in the business?

1214
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:28,060
Have I?

1215
00:48:28,180 --> 00:48:28,420
Yeah.

1216
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:29,060
Yeah.

1217
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:31,720
And was it a strain?

1218
00:48:32,020 --> 00:48:33,400
Was it a struggle in any way?

1219
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:34,660
Yeah.

1220
00:48:36,660 --> 00:48:48,780
The human side of it, in terms of realizing that it's not normal to leave somebody you love

1221
00:48:48,780 --> 00:48:54,980
to go and have some sex with somebody you don't, that's not normal.

1222
00:48:54,980 --> 00:49:03,100
I try not to let the past affect my future, but when the heart gets hurt, that's a difficult thing.

1223
00:49:03,380 --> 00:49:05,620
I have a tendency of wearing your heart on the sleeve.

1224
00:49:05,700 --> 00:49:06,620
You never heard that expression?

1225
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,140
What does that mean, when you wear your heart on your sleeve?

1226
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:12,520
It means that you give love very readily and you make yourself vulnerable.

1227
00:49:13,220 --> 00:49:13,480
Yeah.

1228
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:14,640
I do that.

1229
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:16,740
A lot.

1230
00:49:17,860 --> 00:49:20,260
So maybe that's why this job works for me so much.

1231
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:22,320
Because my heart's not involved in this.

1232
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:23,800
In this.

1233
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:24,760
My heart's home.

1234
00:49:25,620 --> 00:49:28,400
Safe in a box where nobody can touch it.

1235
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:31,140
But I get to go to work.

1236
00:49:33,380 --> 00:49:35,280
And breathe heavy in some chick's ear.

1237
00:49:37,180 --> 00:49:39,360
And perform a sex act.

1238
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:43,300
And at the end of the day, I have my release.

1239
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:45,980
And that's healthy.

1240
00:49:47,540 --> 00:49:48,100
You know?

1241
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:51,060
And yeah, I'll do it again.

1242
00:49:51,240 --> 00:49:52,660
I'll get my heart broken again.

1243
00:49:52,660 --> 00:49:54,140
I thought your heart was in a box.

1244
00:49:54,140 --> 00:49:54,820
It is.

1245
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:55,900
But I'll take it out.

1246
00:49:56,020 --> 00:49:56,340
It's okay.

1247
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:57,340
I'll take it out.

1248
00:49:57,560 --> 00:49:57,940
Do it again.

1249
00:49:57,940 --> 00:50:03,920
It was hard not to sympathise with Tommy.

1250
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:07,340
I sensed he'd been an outsider before coming into porn.

1251
00:50:07,340 --> 00:50:12,120
And that porn was, in turn, making a normal life ever more unattainable.

1252
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:18,960
Back in Los Angeles, and I was off to see Cagney Lynn Carter.

1253
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:26,700
She'd just returned from the outlandish shoot involving six men that her boyfriend, Monte, had been unhappy about.

1254
00:50:26,700 --> 00:50:27,700
Hi.

1255
00:50:27,700 --> 00:50:28,700
Hi.

1256
00:50:28,700 --> 00:50:29,700
Hi.

1257
00:50:29,700 --> 00:50:30,700
Hi, guys.

1258
00:50:30,700 --> 00:50:31,700
Hi.

1259
00:50:31,700 --> 00:50:32,700
Hi.

1260
00:50:32,700 --> 00:50:33,700
Should we come in?

1261
00:50:33,700 --> 00:50:34,700
Yes, please.

1262
00:50:34,700 --> 00:50:35,700
You okay?

1263
00:50:35,700 --> 00:50:36,700
How did it go?

1264
00:50:36,700 --> 00:50:37,700
Hi.

1265
00:50:37,700 --> 00:50:38,700
I have to admit, I was nervous this morning.

1266
00:50:38,700 --> 00:50:39,700
I was really nervous.

1267
00:50:39,700 --> 00:50:46,700
But once I got to set, everything was fully the way that it was supposed to be, so.

1268
00:50:46,700 --> 00:50:55,700
I did the scene, and then the guy that I do the scene with leaves, and then the other guys, they just basically ejaculate on my face.

1269
00:50:55,700 --> 00:50:57,700
It was perfect, actually.

1270
00:50:58,700 --> 00:51:07,700
From the outside world perspective, they see most of the people in the porn industry, the performers, that they've got some kind of damage in their life.

1271
00:51:07,700 --> 00:51:08,700
For sure.

1272
00:51:08,700 --> 00:51:09,700
I've got a lot of damage.

1273
00:51:09,700 --> 00:51:18,700
I mean, my father has been incarcerated my whole life, and, you know, he had a major drug problem, and, um...

1274
00:51:18,700 --> 00:51:29,700
You think maybe your dad, having not been in this, you know, in the picture that he was in prison all these years, had something to do with you perhaps going into porn?

1275
00:51:29,700 --> 00:51:31,700
Absolutely not.

1276
00:51:31,700 --> 00:51:33,700
I don't think that at all.

1277
00:51:33,700 --> 00:51:36,700
Everyone has problems.

1278
00:51:36,700 --> 00:51:37,700
Everyone.

1279
00:51:37,700 --> 00:51:40,700
I went into porn because I wanted to get into porn.

1280
00:51:40,700 --> 00:51:50,700
You know, after what we talked about, Monte, you know, about how you felt, what your opinion was of this scene, was it strange for you today thinking about the scene going on?

1281
00:51:50,700 --> 00:51:51,700
No, not at all.

1282
00:51:51,700 --> 00:51:54,700
I mean, I really actually, I didn't think about it at all.

1283
00:51:54,700 --> 00:51:59,700
I asked her how did the scene go, and she said it went great.

1284
00:51:59,700 --> 00:52:02,700
And I said great, perfect.

1285
00:52:02,700 --> 00:52:13,700
Because that makes me feel ecstatic, elated that she went to work and, you know, things went well.

1286
00:52:13,700 --> 00:52:16,700
You felt ecstatic and elated about you doing this scene and it going well?

1287
00:52:16,700 --> 00:52:17,700
No, I felt ecstatic and elated that...

1288
00:52:17,700 --> 00:52:18,700
That it went well.

1289
00:52:18,700 --> 00:52:19,700
That it went well.

1290
00:52:19,700 --> 00:52:23,700
I'm not, I'm not happy and ecstatic that she had sex acts.

1291
00:52:23,700 --> 00:52:24,700
With those guys.

1292
00:52:24,700 --> 00:52:25,700
Right.

1293
00:52:25,700 --> 00:52:29,700
And which is, you know, it's not, it's actually, it's not a big deal.

1294
00:52:29,700 --> 00:52:30,700
You know what I'm saying?

1295
00:52:30,700 --> 00:52:38,700
So many people I've spoken to have said it's very difficult to maintain a stable relationship when you're working in adult movies.

1296
00:52:38,700 --> 00:52:43,700
So, are you saying you're the exception to that?

1297
00:52:43,700 --> 00:52:46,700
Definitely one of the exceptions, for sure.

1298
00:52:46,700 --> 00:52:47,700
How come?

1299
00:52:47,700 --> 00:52:52,700
At least for right now, I mean, I would say four years, almost five years now is quite an exception.

1300
00:52:52,700 --> 00:52:58,700
Given that he's not in the industry, I think it's impressive how Monte's able to take a kind of back seat.

1301
00:52:58,700 --> 00:52:59,700
Is that part of what's happening here?

1302
00:52:59,700 --> 00:53:01,700
He's just a beautiful man.

1303
00:53:01,700 --> 00:53:04,700
I mean, he's just a beautiful person, like, inside and out.

1304
00:53:04,700 --> 00:53:06,700
Maybe he's too relaxed.

1305
00:53:06,700 --> 00:53:07,700
Do you think he's lazy?

1306
00:53:07,700 --> 00:53:09,700
I'm not saying that he is, I'm just...

1307
00:53:09,700 --> 00:53:16,700
Now, if me and Monte aren't together, haven't for been in ten years, you know what?

1308
00:53:16,700 --> 00:53:19,700
Say what you will, whatever.

1309
00:53:19,700 --> 00:53:21,700
We're not together anymore, but you know what?

1310
00:53:21,700 --> 00:53:26,700
We've had a fucking great five years now and whatever more we can get, I'll take.

1311
00:53:29,700 --> 00:53:36,700
I had one last appointment in the world of porn.

1312
00:53:36,700 --> 00:53:40,700
Hangs the doll by the neck.

1313
00:53:40,700 --> 00:53:42,700
OK? OK.

1314
00:53:42,700 --> 00:53:44,700
That's porno!

1315
00:53:44,700 --> 00:53:45,700
Ah!

1316
00:53:45,700 --> 00:53:52,700
In 1997, John Doe, real name Chet Anushek, had been at the top of his profession.

1317
00:53:52,700 --> 00:53:56,700
Do you get a lot of people coming up to you saying, hey, man, I want to do your job, that type of thing?

1318
00:53:56,700 --> 00:53:57,700
Oh, yeah, you've got to go to work.

1319
00:53:57,700 --> 00:53:58,700
Right.

1320
00:53:58,700 --> 00:53:59,700
You've got to go to work, sure.

1321
00:53:59,700 --> 00:54:00,700
Ah, right.

1322
00:54:00,700 --> 00:54:04,700
That must get kind of irritating in a way, like, people don't regard you, take your work seriously.

1323
00:54:04,700 --> 00:54:05,700
They say, ah, you just have sex.

1324
00:54:05,700 --> 00:54:09,700
No, it doesn't irritate me, I just stay home more.

1325
00:54:09,700 --> 00:54:13,700
He'd married a fellow performer known as Monique Damone.

1326
00:54:13,700 --> 00:54:14,700
Hi.

1327
00:54:14,700 --> 00:54:15,700
Hello.

1328
00:54:15,700 --> 00:54:16,700
Hi.

1329
00:54:16,700 --> 00:54:17,700
I'm Louis.

1330
00:54:17,700 --> 00:54:21,700
I tracked her down, 800 miles from L.A., retired from porn.

1331
00:54:21,700 --> 00:54:25,700
Well, this is a picture of little Brina.

1332
00:54:25,700 --> 00:54:26,700
That's your daughter?

1333
00:54:26,700 --> 00:54:27,700
This is our daughter.

1334
00:54:27,700 --> 00:54:28,700
With Chet.

1335
00:54:28,700 --> 00:54:30,700
Brina was about three years old.

1336
00:54:30,700 --> 00:54:33,700
And that's us up in Mammoth.

1337
00:54:33,700 --> 00:54:35,700
That's Chet on his motorcycle.

1338
00:54:35,700 --> 00:54:38,700
This has been after we'd been together for quite a few years.

1339
00:54:38,700 --> 00:54:42,700
Do you have copies of the films that you and Chet made together?

1340
00:54:42,700 --> 00:54:45,700
I do still have Dr Butts 3, of course.

1341
00:54:45,700 --> 00:54:49,700
Dr Butts 3, with a kind of Hannibal Lecter thing going on.

1342
00:54:49,700 --> 00:54:51,700
Why have you hung on to that one in particular?

1343
00:54:51,700 --> 00:54:52,700
It's sentimental.

1344
00:54:52,700 --> 00:55:02,700
If you're able to capture something that hot on camera, you know, and it's your first encounter

1345
00:55:02,700 --> 00:55:07,700
with your husband, your baby's daddy, you're not going to get rid of it.

1346
00:55:07,700 --> 00:55:09,700
What worked about the relationship?

1347
00:55:09,700 --> 00:55:10,700
What was it that you liked?

1348
00:55:10,700 --> 00:55:14,700
Um, he took me out and we had a good time.

1349
00:55:14,700 --> 00:55:17,700
It was life in the fast lane, though.

1350
00:55:17,700 --> 00:55:18,700
Fast lane meaning?

1351
00:55:18,700 --> 00:55:20,700
Sex, drugs, rock and roll.

1352
00:55:20,700 --> 00:55:26,700
To a civilian like myself, the idea of having sex on camera and then being faithful off camera

1353
00:55:26,700 --> 00:55:29,700
and being committed seems like it would be very difficult.

1354
00:55:29,700 --> 00:55:31,700
It's really not that hard.

1355
00:55:31,700 --> 00:55:34,700
What's hard is active addiction.

1356
00:55:34,700 --> 00:55:35,700
Drugs.

1357
00:55:35,700 --> 00:55:36,700
Drugs.

1358
00:55:36,700 --> 00:55:38,700
That's what's hard.

1359
00:55:38,700 --> 00:55:39,700
Drugs.

1360
00:55:39,700 --> 00:55:40,700
That's what's hard.

1361
00:55:40,700 --> 00:55:45,700
You know, if you want to have a good, happy life, you have to give up the drugs.

1362
00:55:45,700 --> 00:55:47,700
And Chet did many times.

1363
00:55:47,700 --> 00:55:48,700
And so did I.

1364
00:55:48,700 --> 00:55:58,700
Um, but unfortunately there are those relapses and unfortunately, um, it ended with his suicide.

1365
00:55:58,700 --> 00:56:03,700
How would you feel about talking about how you, how you came to find out that he'd killed himself?

1366
00:56:03,700 --> 00:56:24,700
Um, I, uh, was out getting some drugs and, uh, I came home and thought that it was very strange that I couldn't find Chet seeing as I had drugs.

1367
00:56:24,700 --> 00:56:27,700
I knew something was wrong and I started looking for him.

1368
00:56:27,700 --> 00:56:29,700
I looked throughout the whole house.

1369
00:56:29,700 --> 00:56:37,700
I looked through the backyard and it was so quiet.

1370
00:56:37,700 --> 00:56:40,700
It was so quiet.

1371
00:56:40,700 --> 00:56:45,700
And I heard a, a creak in the closet.

1372
00:56:45,700 --> 00:56:50,700
And that's when I found him.

1373
00:56:50,700 --> 00:56:55,700
Chet was really, truly, honestly, he was a really good dad.

1374
00:56:55,700 --> 00:56:58,700
He was a good dad.

1375
00:56:58,700 --> 00:57:02,700
But he felt that he had failed as a husband and as a father.

1376
00:57:02,700 --> 00:57:05,700
He felt that he had failed in life.

1377
00:57:05,700 --> 00:57:07,700
He felt that he was failing as a man.

1378
00:57:07,700 --> 00:57:11,700
He felt, he just, he was, he was broken.

1379
00:57:20,700 --> 00:57:27,700
This is my spelling test and, like, I got forearm on it.

1380
00:57:27,700 --> 00:57:28,700
Which is pretty good.

1381
00:57:28,700 --> 00:57:30,700
Were you good in school, Cheyenne?

1382
00:57:30,700 --> 00:57:32,700
No, I wasn't that great in school.

1383
00:57:32,700 --> 00:57:35,700
It must be nice to see Brina do so well.

1384
00:57:35,700 --> 00:57:36,700
Yes.

1385
00:57:36,700 --> 00:57:37,700
Oh, absolutely.

1386
00:57:37,700 --> 00:57:38,700
Yeah.

1387
00:57:38,700 --> 00:57:39,700
You're proud.

1388
00:57:39,700 --> 00:57:40,700
Very.

1389
00:57:40,700 --> 00:57:41,700
I'm very proud of her.

1390
00:57:41,700 --> 00:57:43,700
Do you know what you'd like to be when you grow up?

1391
00:57:43,700 --> 00:57:45,700
I want to be a police officer.

1392
00:57:45,700 --> 00:57:46,700
You do?

1393
00:57:46,700 --> 00:57:47,700
Mm-hm.

1394
00:57:47,700 --> 00:57:48,700
How come?

1395
00:57:48,700 --> 00:57:55,700
Because, um, I like to stop people from doing the wrong thing and, like,

1396
00:57:55,700 --> 00:57:58,700
because I want everyone to do the right thing a lot.

1397
00:57:58,700 --> 00:58:16,700
I'd gone in search of adult performers, trying to understand the price they pay for taking

1398
00:58:16,700 --> 00:58:21,700
the most intimate human act and putting it on camera.

1399
00:58:21,700 --> 00:58:27,700
I'd found an industry that, 15 years on, was more demoralized and still taking the privacy

1400
00:58:27,700 --> 00:58:31,700
of its young cohorts while paying them less.

1401
00:58:31,700 --> 00:58:37,700
And yet the world of porn is also a refuge, somewhere people fleeing lives of chaos can

1402
00:58:37,700 --> 00:58:40,700
blend in and feel valued.

1403
00:58:40,700 --> 00:58:46,700
Though it can inflict wounds on those who work in it, it could also occasionally surprise

1404
00:58:46,700 --> 00:58:48,700
with its tenderness.

1405
00:58:48,700 --> 00:58:52,700
For consuming times and possible, I'll probably take a look.

1406
00:58:52,700 --> 00:58:53,700
I've been in the marketplace and goodancy here and that my mother helped with

1407
00:58:53,700 --> 00:58:55,700
the tourism industry.

1408
00:58:55,700 --> 00:58:58,700
But, you know, the city in this trip, our hele town is new to the world.

1409
00:58:58,700 --> 00:58:59,700
We're going to be in the marketplace, where dearly, it's kind of on the left.

1410
00:58:59,700 --> 00:59:00,700
We're going to be in the marketplace and we're bringing new we're in

1411
00:59:00,700 --> 00:59:03,700
that time maybe it's carers to study our pint and we are the only places

1412
00:59:03,700 --> 00:59:04,700
changing the room together.

1413
00:59:04,700 --> 00:59:09,700
And now we're going to be in the marketplace

1414
00:59:09,700 --> 00:59:14,900
If momentum you stopывать, there's and selling re offices and llevar

1415
00:59:15,700 --> 00:59:17,700
Let's hope that we'll be doing in the marketplace.