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Satsang with Mooji

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That shot on me, man.

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Why?

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I get excited.

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That one in front of us.

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Let's take him.

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Good shot.

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Good shot.

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Better.

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Great shot, Nicky.

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Nice stuff, man.

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There we go.

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I was in South Africa,

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spending time in the world of trophy hunters

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and safari outfitters.

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Great shot, Nicky.

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Here's the beak.

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Right through the lungs.

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Here's the first animal, Nicky.

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Their practice of keeping wild animals fenced in on farms

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has made it cheaper and easier to hunt than ever before,

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and also proved highly controversial.

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Are you happy about your pig?

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Yeah.

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Congratulations.

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Well done, my sweet.

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Give me a kiss.

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Still, it attracts thousands of budget hunters every year,

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and I was joining them.

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My journey had started a week earlier in South Africa's Limpopo province.

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Shingani safaris is one of a new crop of outfitters.

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I'm Louie.

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Hey.

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Nice to meet you.

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Nice to meet you.

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Nice to meet you.

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Nice to meet you too.

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Thank you.

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It's owner, Rian Fosloo, caters to hunters from all over the world,

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but mostly from America.

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We have clients here, Anne-Marie and Louie.

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I'm Louie.

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Nice to meet you.

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Nice to meet you.

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Nice to meet you.

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Nice to meet you.

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Where did you just come in from?

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Cleveland, Ohio.

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Really?

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He's dressed to hunt and she's dressed to shop.

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They don't have wild animals in Cleveland?

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Not wild animals like this.

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Really?

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The wild animals in Cleveland you're not allowed to hunt.

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Paul and Anne-Marie Potenski were the first arrivals of a group of 22 hunters from Ohio.

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Paul had come for his dream hunting holiday.

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And Anne-Marie was tagging along.

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Anne-Marie, if you're not a hunter, why are you here?

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I'm here to watch him hunt.

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Yeah.

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And they say that even if you're not hunting, the experience is absolutely awesome.

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Have you been out hunting with Paul before?

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Never.

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Never?

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No.

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Why not?

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He doesn't take me hunting.

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I'm not very much for the outdoors.

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Really?

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Really.

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But they think, these guys are saying that they think they may convert you.

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That's what they're thinking.

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What do you think?

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I don't know.

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We'll talk you through it step first then.

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You just warned Paul and tell him that we're going to turn you into a monster and he's

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going to have to start the skinning and tracking to pay for your trophies.

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Oh, great.

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Do you have a list of animals that you're after while you're here?

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Yeah, a zebra and a kudu are my big two.

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And then any other ones as well?

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Yeah, I'd really like to find a baboon.

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A baboon, yeah.

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A baboon?

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I've never heard of someone hunting a baboon.

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A lot of people want him.

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It's a beautiful trophy.

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Really?

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But they are tough, tough to get because they are very smart.

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They're very, very intelligent.

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End of the day, it's also about money.

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Because he pays per trophy that he kills.

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It's not just about shooting.

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I mean, if money were no object, what would you be gunning for?

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If money was no object, a rhino.

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A rhino?

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Wow.

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They just look fierce.

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He'll tell you.

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And how much would a rhino set you back?

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Wow.

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Rhino, rhinos now are very expensive.

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Because of the demand of the rhino horn, the Chinese people...

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Can someone come to Shingani and shoot a rhino?

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And shoot a rhino?

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If you want 20, I can get you 20.

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20 rhino?

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Yeah, easy.

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It's a price.

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You pay between 50 and 100,000 US for a rhino now.

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Wow.

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Wow.

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You hadn't met Paul and Anne-Marie before.

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No, never met them.

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Had you spoken to them on the phone?

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Yeah, I spoke to them on the phone, yeah.

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If you'd taken them down there, and then you'd seen them on the range, and he'd been

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a pretty hopeless shot.

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What would you have done then?

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If he knows a bad shot, you try and keep him on the shooting range for the day.

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Mm.

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So we can tell him, hey...

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You could teach him.

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We teach him.

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I also have a form where they fill out.

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What's their abilities?

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Can they walk?

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What operations do they have?

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How's his eyesight?

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So when a guy shows up, you know this guy is a 300 pounder.

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He can't walk, he can't climb off the truck.

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Then you adjust to his abilities.

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But you have to talk him in.

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Then you would...

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Would you let him go out?

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Oh, yeah.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Because you must make sure when he pulls the trigger, he's on it.

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A little later, I joined Anne-Marie and Paul and their Shingani PH, or professional hunter,

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Vili.

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My lucky hat.

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We're going to kill today.

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We had travelled to a nearby game farm.

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Twenty years ago, all this land was used to raise cattle.

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Now it was game-fenced and stocked with a range of trophy animals.

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Paul was out for zebra.

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Price tag, 675 pounds.

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Do you know where the zebras are, Vili?

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Have you got the place in mind?

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Yeah, I know in which area they like to keep them.

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So what I'm doing is zig-zagging through that area.

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See if we can find them somewhere.

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There it is.

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Now it says the tree.

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I saw the tree as well.

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That's when I saw the tree.

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Look, look, look.

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Over there.

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Right there.

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Oh wow, look.

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Even you can see this one.

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Oh my God, there it is.

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There it is.

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Oh my God, there's two of them.

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Oh my God.

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Oh my God.

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Oh my God.

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Oh my God.

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Oh my God.

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Oh my God.

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There it is.

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There it is.

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Oh my God.

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There's two of them.

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Oh my God.

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Oh my God.

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Oh my God.

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Oh my God.

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Oh my God.

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Oh, Jesus.

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I think I got him.

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But there was no immediate sign of a dead zebra.

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The tracker's set to work.

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Are you nervous?

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A little bit.

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I'm excited for Paul if he got it.

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He's been waiting to get the zebra.

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That's what he really wants.

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Yeah.

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Could you do it?

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I don't think.

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You know, I don't think so.

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Not like that.

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I mean, I wouldn't be able to take a good shot from so far away.

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No, but I mean, you know, because they're like horses, aren't they?

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I don't think I could.

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Damn it.

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Nerves.

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What did you say?

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Nerves.

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My heart was racing.

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Trying to breathe.

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Shaky a little bit.

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There was one I was watching when they took off.

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And I don't know which one it was, but it started to zigzag.

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That's why I thought I hit one.

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How have you found it so far?

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Interesting.

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Actually, I find it that I'm more compelled than ever I thought I would be to want to hunt.

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So I don't know.

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Maybe it's like gambling like we were talking about.

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You're in the casino and everyone else is doing it.

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So you just want to try it.

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I hear it's like a major rush when you kill your first animal.

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So what about you?

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Do you think you would ever kill an animal here?

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I don't think so.

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No.

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I don't think so.

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No.

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I think I'd feel bad.

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Right?

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I think I'd feel bad.

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No, I think that I'd feel bad.

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I think that I would feel bad.

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I could feel bad.

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The one that I could feel bad was better than ever I thought I would be to want to hunt.

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So I don't know.

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Maybe it's like gambling like we were talking about.

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You're in the casino and everyone else is doing it.

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So you just want to try it.

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I hear it's like a major rush when you kill your first animal.

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So what about you?

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Do you think you would ever kill an animal here?

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I don't think so.

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No.

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I think I'd feel bad.

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feel bad see and and i would feel bad if it was just killing the animal just for the sake of

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killing it the fact that they you know use the meat and give it to people that are in need it

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just like cattle they're raised to be slaughtered for their beef right here you're giving the

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opportunity for men and women that like to hunt give them that adventure and the animals are

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living freely they're not caged up and they're able to hunt and then the meat is still used for

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the villages or sold to people so i don't feel bad from that respect

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we can't get any blood so we've checked pita's making one last sleep sweep but i don't think

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you got that one i'm glad there's no blood yeah yeah what's the issue with leaving a wounded animal

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why don't you do that i mean you don't want to shoot something and leave it in the bush

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not dead but wounded yeah um so i think in pain yeah it's an ethical thing and also if it's wounded

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you paid for it right yeah once it's wounded and and we've picked up blood then it's then

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then it must be paid for uh then we must find it if possible

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i was on the far side of limpopo province to meet big game breeder pete warren

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hello are you pete i'm louis pete raises exotic animals and sells them when they're old enough

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to be hunted he specializes in a kind of antelope called sable but today he wanted to show me his

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lions will we be traveling in here that's where you're going to travel yep

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okay so so this is what you're feeding the lions yes these are unborn uh calves from the abattoir

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we just uh i buy them off the abattoirs and we feed them from feed them to the lines i'm not

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really used to being around um dead animals yeah yeah you know yeah so even like the idea of

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unborn calves is is odd to me even that concept of it yeah a bit yeah like seeing it and i think

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the idea of slaughtering a pregnant cow is to me is quite odd yeah but that that's what is that

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that's normal is it that's normal yeah pete also has his own hunting reserve but filming there was

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strictly off limits i mean just for the record can i ask you you've you've obviously you've made a

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decision you would like us not to film any hunting is that right yes why is that if you if you show

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hunting it's offensive to 98 of the people so that'll give the film a negative taint before you start

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you don't even want us to film you talking about hunting no it's it's it's negative it's negative to

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them to the to the mine it's about farming what we came to do is farming there are just so many people

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that want to do that what hunt there are just so many and they want to hunt that's what they like

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and there's a demand for it all this that you see here was paid for by the americans

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we had cattle here this was orange trees 30 years ago this was all orange trees now it's just bush and

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game because they pay us more money than what we did with with the cattle

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it's very simple they're very clean looking aren't they if you don't allow a line to go hungry

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they don't fight they only fight when they get hungry so these lines have never been hungry

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they might they there's 120 000 rand walking around there why would you allow him to get hungry

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that's that's 10 000 pounds just about why is he looking at us like that he thinks you are a plate of

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food he doesn't see you as anything else he doesn't see you as as and you you go and try and walk in

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and see what happens and and all that will be reminded is the top part of your skull and your boots

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the rest they will eat everything and they will play with your clothes

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so these lines will they be hunted everyone they will there's only value what other value is there too

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like yeah so you raise them for hunting i only raise them for hunting and um if the hen doesn't light

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eggs we eat yes we raise those chickens the ones the ones that lay eggs they stay one side they have

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an 18 month period and miss hen do you know this is your cage you lay one egg a day

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and if you don't like and if you don't like we eat you too how do you feel about your lions do you love

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them no why no you see because look at his eyes you walk past they go and walk past and feel if you

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feel any love walk past where next to the wall carrier i'm not sure if i want to no

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there's no love okay let's go but what about siegfried and roy they love their tigers

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it's just a plain commodity

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let's go wait do you think um no no now we're going now it's time we got to go no no sir you're

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wasting my time let's go get it do we get in here that we get in here we're definitely safe in here

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are you you have to come in here too though pete yeah i'll just take you to the gate first

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they'll go for that they're not going to eat obviously not going to eat us but so do we have

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a plan as far as how we're going to get out once that well you don't get out no you don't move

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not out of this vehicle yeah couldn't they reach through the bars though

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it's all suddenly gone a bit okay we've all it's all suddenly gone a bit ernest hemingway hasn't it

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so what is that there that's your is that your gun i said just morning shotgun just a

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pump action shotgun and i've got seven cartridges so we've got lots of uh if if ever something did go

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yes if it was a human body you must know how much pain you would be suffering

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shall i throw one shall i

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about 20 kilos

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back where yeah

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yikes

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just it seem a bit i mean you could say it's a bit pointless

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the idea of raising an animal in captivity then releasing it and then hunting it

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is it sort of a um an artificial experience a little bit yes i i would guess that but a bunch

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of jumpers also i mean if you now jumped out of an airplane that's a bunch of jumpers artificial

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experience you know it's gonna gonna catch you there would it appeal to you the idea of hunting

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in that way if i had never hunted uh maybe a bear or something which i've never hunted or never been

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and never been to alaska or anything i would i would you'd do the so-called canned option

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absolutely because it's quicker and it's more convenient and it's no and the adrenaline rush is

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so much more and the risk is so much more i mean lines like this in tanzania would cost you 40

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thousand to us dollars to hunt you won't get a trophy that even looks at that for that kind of

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money he's scarred and he's buggered and he's ugly but he's more real i suppose he's more real i

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suppose yep yep yep yep

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back at shingani and there was a busy day ahead the rest of the hunting party from ohio had arrived

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and they were keen to get out onto the game farms and start claiming their trophies

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what's the plan today i'll just sit into a blind and hopefully we'll get a kudu kudu kudu and you

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rick you know what you want to get a wildebeest bull maybe and a uh gums buck what do you guys do

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back in your regular lives if i may ask um i own a trucking business so i pretty much haul asphalt

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and uh we do roadways and when i'm not doing roadways i haul stone and gravel so keeps me busy

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yeah and rick work at a recycling plant recycle books so how did you choose kudu

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well that's the king of african game it's kudu so they're a big animal very big

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anthony's kudu would be costing 1100 pounds he and rick were shooting on a game farm belonging to

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lolly fury yes i'm louis who i'd heard had a surprising second occupation am i right in

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thinking you're a vet yes a veterinarian i'm a veterinarian yeah so you you you heal animals

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you cure them yes yeah we try so do you look after the animals here as well as a vet in a way that's

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almost a conflict of interest so you could say because the animals are getting hunted and killed

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yeah and your your profession is to keep animals alive that's right yeah so the game farming today

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is a farming it's a farming practice you've got to make a living out of it one way or another

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and the game you know with with the game fences up we live we feed them every winter and they get fed

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very well so of course they breed very well so you know you only you you you the amount of space

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you've got you're limited to a certain amount so you're keeping numbers down do you hunt yourself

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no not at all no i don't enjoy it you used to do it yeah but not anymore not anymore no why doesn't

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he do it anymore rian you know i see the same thing with my dad my dad becomes more enjoying the

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animals than hunting animals i think it comes with age my dad said hey wait till you get older you're

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gonna you're gonna slow down on hunting um you're not gonna have that killer instinct all the time

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while we waited for news from the hunters lolly took me on a tour of his 3 000 acre property

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this too had once been a cattle farm and was now turned over to a variety of trophy animals

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like a lot of game farmers lolly had formed an attachment to his animals

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he told me he'd only allow bow hunting as the noise of gunshots causes them stress

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he seemed especially fond of his giraffes

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you were saying um that people are not allowed to hunt these on your property

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as you see they said time you know it's just a matter of one becomes attached to them you

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eventually get to know each each one of them you know so we don't we don't know any hunting

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whether it be rifle or bow hunting of the giraffe on the farm

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i suppose it's it's uh wouldn't say it's wrong but there's always that little bit of sentiment

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it's like cattle as well i don't shoot the animal the cattle on the farm as well

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for for own use i'd rather load him to an avatar or whatever and get a butcher to

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to do the meat processing why it's just as i said there again with you it's that close close contact

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that you have with the animals you get to know them and so on and i've just lost all interest

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and i don't enjoy shooting animals whether it be cattle or game or whatever the giraffe

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there's always a sense of tranquility about them they move quietly

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late in the day word came that anthony had shot his dream animal

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and the trackers were trying to find it before nightfall how was it kind of uh shaky why

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it's a lot of animals in here one time and uh put a good shot on i think it went off down that way

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where'd you get him it was a kudu right kudu got the kudu i went right in the front of the shoulder

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through to the back of the shoulder sunk the arrow all the way in vitals yeah i think i got both lungs

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maybe the heart good shot so what's going to happen now we're going to sit and track

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hopefully it's getting dark that's the bad thing about night shooting very windy today it was a calm

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shot though when i took it wasn't windy what's the story do you know no it sounds like a good shot

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anyway it's saying quite quite a bit of blood um only the five that came in let's see where you hit them

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that one yep i'm still shaking this is it i think i got it i think i put a shot on it as the minutes

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passed there was still no sign of the kudu lolly seemed to grow anxious that the animal might just

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be wounded and in pain what do you think that he was standing a bit awkward i'd prefer a shot if

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he could take it behind the shoulder um yeah he was a little yeah he was about like that toward me yeah

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i hope we're getting fast getting dark quickly now

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i want to find it what's that they found did they yeah i just said they got it beautiful man yeah

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i got it ah hey do it no no he's he's dead well done oh thank you congratulations

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your photos where is he right here oh wow it didn't go far

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yeah i was scared he didn't hit this this this is done yeah but then i looked again yeah that's where

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i hit it right there it went through it must have ricocheted hit a bone yeah and veered off yeah

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oh that's wonderful the horns are holding its head in quite an eerie position aren't they yes

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how long would it have taken that kudu to die do you think do you know this animal took off their

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one hell of a lick this is fast

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will he be in his in his prime or in old age he's not old so he's um he's about eight years

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he's not old so he's not old so he's not old so he's not old so he's not old so he's not old so

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yeah what anthony what's what's happening now oh my heart's my heart's thumping but what are you doing

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uh we're doing trophy shots right now it is an important part of the whole thing this is the

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very important part after you kill a wonderful beast like this this is the time

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very good

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back at shingani and the ohio hunting party had brought back a massive haul of animals

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including anthony's there were three kudu one gemsbok four impala two warthog

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one nyala one blesbok and a blue ball monkey

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the atmosphere was jubilant but i was still struggling to share in the excitement

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i got a big warthog sitting out there giant they come in he's like oh i'll try it i'm like

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i threw that arrow off i'm like i'm shooting this one

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wow what an animal it's beautiful i waited and waited

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i mean it was a i don't know it's like um

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what do you want to say i don't know i'm just trying to think about

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because like people people who watch that then they won't they're still not going to understand

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like how how you how you would explain why why it makes sense to do it you've got to have a passion

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for hunting if you have the passion for hunting and you come to a state like this and you take an animal

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like that dreams come true this is a dream this is a dream huge

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very huge

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it's a great day

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what do you think

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i mean i can i the idea of um preserving game in in private

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you know farms you know makes sense and i know that's done a lot to increase the numbers of of rare

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species and exotic species and at the same time the idea of actually um shooting one doesn't appeal to

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me i mean i would find i think i'd feel guilty and upset if i did it i understand yeah i understand

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i didn't feel guilty i didn't feel guilty

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are are there animals that you wouldn't hunt because they're sort of higher up the food chain

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as it were well it's all in the cost the cost is a big thing not the intelligence or the sensitivity

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of the animal it's all in the cost you would hunt an elephant say um if you had the money if i had

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the money yes if i was very wealthy i'd probably take every animal like you could get a lion yeah not

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a problem it's all in money really yeah you can only afford so much you afford you can take it go for

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it no matter what state it's in or what country

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because you might never ever get that opportunity never do it again

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the following day and after all the activity at shingani i heard that anne marie was now thinking

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seriously about hunting an animal herself what's the thought process that's taken you here

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well the last couple of days i've been in the blind with paul and it's been i mean it's been very

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exciting watching the animals and seeing the animals and it's been exciting but in the same breath i'm

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i'm excited but also worried so i think it's just i think it's peer pressure we're here at a hunting

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lodge and everyone is talking about the hunting and i've experienced it firsthand and it's been

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exciting and paul got three animals didn't he he got a kudu a zebra a gimsbuck and then a warthog

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and how was that for you seeing that i was okay with all of them except the zebra

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i think maybe because it's too much like a horse that was very that was an emotional

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one for me was it yes was that emotional for you paul too it wasn't i felt bad for her she was teary-eyed

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and and wasn't real happy with it so it's i think it's just in the uh evolutionary process of anne-marie

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she's evolving the evolutionary process

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a little later i joined ryan for a tour of his latest venture a recreated wilderness that he was

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in the process of building on 2 000 acres this is a waterhole i built up until now the sight of dead

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animals and the relative ease of the hunting had left me feeling unsettled about the industry and i

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hoped this might be a chance to share my misgivings and so the water's piped in i've got a pipe you

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see that little black pipe sticking out there oh really this keeps it full so i pump it once a week

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and so this is more more natural animals like it more yeah and then i've built a blind um where we

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shoot bow hunting out in the antel shape in here and you built this yeah it doesn't look unnatural for

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the animals also it's uh it's like animal friendly yeah do you ever feel like you grew up in south

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africa hunting in the old style yeah and there'd be wild animals you track them no one owned them

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and now it's it's changed a lot hasn't it much easier it's much easier you have to cater to what the

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the clients want really don't you yeah you basically you basically you basically get adopted of the

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clients um abilities number one and then what he needs and if he says i'm here for for five days and

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i want to get a kudu and a zebra and a wildebeest and x y and z and then you sort of have you're

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obliged to kind of deliver that yeah yeah because that's how we make our money i mean that's how we

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make a living so you have to get him his animals uh when i was a boy if i shot one animal in the

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whole hunting season which was three months that was great now you can shoot five six a day if you want

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to that's just how much how much the change with the management if you go to zimbabwe

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tomorrow and go try and shoot a kudu good luck poached out because the people were hungry the

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government there was no food and they just went and killed out the animals they're now poaching

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in south africa site already those animals are gone five six years ago in zimbabwe was one of the

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best animal countries there was there was game everywhere there was no control poaching took over

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now you have here you have private land people take care of their private land they take care of

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the animals um that's why the numbers are so much more how do you see your role then it's very

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difficult because there's there's a lot of pressure um on hunters uh because people don't understand it

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and i've tried to explain it to you before but if you that's why i said if you don't pull the trigger

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you don't know hey why does this guy like to kill animals because it basically comes to the point man you

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kill animals just doesn't the hunting part never nobody listens to that this is like that guy's a murderer he

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kills animals look at all the blood like hey go to you eat beef you eat lamp how do you think they

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get killed it's worse than you ever can believe it's the killing we do are clean compared to how

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domestic animals horses cattle get killed in the slaughtering houses these things get get um what you

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call it when you've twist the guy's arm and break legs and um they they go for hell tortured they got

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tortured yeah yeah these guys go into the slaughtering houses and then these meat get exported and

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people eat it they've got no idea where this piece of beef comes from well this piece of beef grew

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on somebody's farm and then somebody killed it with a little pen and shot it in the head and it dropped

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and while it was still kicking somebody cut the vein because the blood needs to come out of the

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meat to get it clean but this is the things that nobody sees so nobody nobody can relate and say oh it's

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bad to shoot cows or it's bad to eat beef because beef have been slaughtered but hunting is different

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because hunting's got a negative um attachment to it listen do it and you after that you'll know

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you like it or you don't like it because now you still don't know you have to pull the trigger to

462
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:56,280
know the difference back at shingani and rian's arguments had made me question my instinctive resistance

463
00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:02,680
to hunting i decided to take him at his word and arrange to go on a hunt of my own i booked in for

464
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:09,960
a crossbow lesson with a professional hunter called clint taylor and is there pleasure in taking an

465
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:19,880
animal's life that's what's hard to get to grips with it's definitely not a pleasure it's it's a goal you

466
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:27,000
set yourself you you you you outwitting the animal you you you you the i mean we're the super predator

467
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:31,880
on the on the on the planet but aren't the odds so stacked in favor of the hunter that

468
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:42,200
the challenge has been reduced a lot i mean she's a good shot but i saw shane um who's what seven years

469
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:47,640
old six years old um shoot an animal shoot a warthog with one of these

470
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:52,360
which suggests it's quite easy

471
00:35:55,400 --> 00:36:02,520
i told you the kill is the easiest part it's to get there the kill is part of it so is it that the

472
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:07,560
there's something predatorial in the nature of people that they

473
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:11,160
they that we enjoy

474
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,560
killing an animal some people enjoy killing

475
00:36:23,240 --> 00:36:27,320
some people don't every individual draws their own line

476
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:32,120
for ann marie's hunting debut she had her sights set on an impala price tag two hundred pounds

477
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:41,160
to run up.

478
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:55,140
For Anne-Marie's hunting debut, she had her sights set on an impala.

479
00:36:55,720 --> 00:36:57,100
Price tag, £200.

480
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:02,200
She'd taken her crossbow to a game farm belonging to Pete Venter.

481
00:37:03,100 --> 00:37:06,220
The animals, as we were driving through, it seemed like there were a lot of them.

482
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:08,160
Much more than I was expecting.

483
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:12,320
Yeah, I've got lots of animals.

484
00:37:12,660 --> 00:37:13,840
They seemed almost tame.

485
00:37:15,720 --> 00:37:20,460
That's because we do bow hunting since 1994, only strictly bow hunting.

486
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:25,920
That's the difference between my place and the rifle hunting area.

487
00:37:26,580 --> 00:37:27,660
They're a lot more calm.

488
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:29,680
Yeah, they are very tame.

489
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:30,520
Really?

490
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,320
Yeah, sometimes you can drive past them and they won't even look up.

491
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,060
Almost like the national parks.

492
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:52,140
Like Lolly, Pete had grown fond of his animals and he was concerned that Anne-Marie's weapon of choice might not be powerful enough to make a clean kill.

493
00:37:53,620 --> 00:37:55,380
And what were you asking just then?

494
00:37:55,380 --> 00:38:01,040
About the crossbow.

495
00:38:02,740 --> 00:38:03,740
But it's OK.

496
00:38:03,940 --> 00:38:06,160
He promised me it will be OK.

497
00:38:06,660 --> 00:38:08,420
What are you worried about, Paul?

498
00:38:09,220 --> 00:38:11,300
You don't use crossbow for hunting.

499
00:38:11,300 --> 00:38:12,400
You're worried that she might miss?

500
00:38:12,980 --> 00:38:13,280
Mm-hmm.

501
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,020
No, I'm sure she's not going to miss.

502
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:17,760
Because it's easy.

503
00:38:17,860 --> 00:38:19,520
It's easy to shoot from the blind.

504
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:24,440
Do you know, Anne-Marie, this will be her first hunt.

505
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:25,180
Mm.

506
00:38:25,180 --> 00:38:29,680
In Africa or...

507
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:30,600
Anywhere.

508
00:38:30,820 --> 00:38:31,280
Anywhere.

509
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:32,480
OK.

510
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:34,760
Let's give it a try.

511
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:35,400
Yeah.

512
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:51,580
So he thinks maybe it won't kill the animal as quickly?

513
00:38:52,580 --> 00:38:52,800
Yes.

514
00:38:53,500 --> 00:38:54,900
It's all about...

515
00:38:54,900 --> 00:38:56,600
Because he cares about the animals.

516
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:56,880
Yeah.

517
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:57,400
Yeah.

518
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:57,460
Yeah.

519
00:38:57,460 --> 00:38:57,480
Yeah.

520
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:57,520
Yeah.

521
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:57,540
Yeah.

522
00:38:57,540 --> 00:38:57,580
Yeah.

523
00:38:57,580 --> 00:38:57,620
Yeah.

524
00:38:57,620 --> 00:38:57,640
Yeah.

525
00:38:57,640 --> 00:38:57,660
Yeah.

526
00:38:57,660 --> 00:38:57,680
Yeah.

527
00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:57,700
Yeah.

528
00:38:57,700 --> 00:38:57,760
Yeah.

529
00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:57,780
Yeah.

530
00:38:57,780 --> 00:38:57,800
Yeah.

531
00:38:57,800 --> 00:38:57,820
Yeah.

532
00:38:57,820 --> 00:38:57,840
Yeah.

533
00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:57,880
Yeah.

534
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:07,740
OK, that's fine.

535
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,440
I didn't follow you, just about that.

536
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:30,540
It's the king, so...

537
00:39:30,740 --> 00:39:31,300
OK.

538
00:39:31,660 --> 00:39:32,540
So...

539
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:34,660
On the legs

540
00:39:35,400 --> 00:40:05,380
All right.

541
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:35,380
All right.

542
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:45,400
All right.

543
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,400
Oh, yes.

544
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:48,400
Excellent shot.

545
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:54,400
He was not going anywhere.

546
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:55,400
Nice length.

547
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,400
You've got a very good trophy there.

548
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:58,400
Well done.

549
00:40:58,400 --> 00:40:59,400
Thank you.

550
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:00,400
Excellent shot.

551
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:01,400
Thank you.

552
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,400
For the first animal, you did good.

553
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:05,400
Beautiful.

554
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:11,400
Great.

555
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:16,400
Can you look for the other side to get it?

556
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,400
So you can actually see the blood.

557
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:20,400
It's like creamy.

558
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,400
So you can tell it was lungs.

559
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:24,400
What's happening?

560
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,400
His lungs are deflating.

561
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:30,400
Oh, my word.

562
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:31,400
Is it possible it's not completely dead?

563
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:32,400
No, no.

564
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:33,400
Look.

565
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:34,400
Look at its eye.

566
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,400
It's already glazed over.

567
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:37,400
Hmm.

568
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:38,400
Hmm.

569
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:39,400
How did you feel?

570
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:40,400
You look a little bit.

571
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:41,400
Overwhelmed still?

572
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:42,400
Overwhelmed.

573
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,400
I mean, you look almost a tiny bit.

574
00:41:44,400 --> 00:42:01,400
Like a bit.

575
00:42:01,900 --> 00:42:10,520
Not a bit, like, a bit, but a bit?

576
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:12,140
Not upset, but distasteful.

577
00:42:12,140 --> 00:42:17,740
Like I said, this is the first animal, I don't know, I'm still not saying that I'm the huntress,

578
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:22,720
but it was, I mean, it was intense, it was an interesting experience.

579
00:42:22,860 --> 00:42:25,900
But what about now, what about now looking at the animal?

580
00:42:25,900 --> 00:42:30,520
Well, I feel bad, you know, I feel bad, but it's, I don't know about you,

581
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:34,580
it's like what we say, you know, wouldn't you rather die of a, you know, quick heart attack

582
00:42:34,580 --> 00:42:40,760
and get it over with in a few moments versus having a prolonged suffering or death?

583
00:42:41,660 --> 00:42:47,520
So, I'm okay, I'm just still not, just like the other animals when Paul got,

584
00:42:47,860 --> 00:42:51,600
it's just, you know, they'll move it around and you pose with it.

585
00:42:52,500 --> 00:42:55,720
I just can't move it around and do stuff with it yet.

586
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,700
How quickly do you think it would have died, Philly?

587
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:04,520
At first, how long does it take an impala to run 75 yards?

588
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,420
Five seconds, ten seconds, and he was dead.

589
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:27,080
It was my turn.

590
00:43:27,700 --> 00:43:29,760
Clint and I were on our way to Lolly's Farm,

591
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:34,320
where I would be taking my pick from the range of specially raised trophy animals.

592
00:43:34,620 --> 00:43:36,000
You think you're ready for this?

593
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:44,260
I was feeling anxious, but I felt I owed it to my hosts to try and get in touch with the killer in me.

594
00:43:47,420 --> 00:43:50,340
It's hard not to think that somewhere in these bushes there's a little animal,

595
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:58,460
maybe an impala, maybe a warthog, that, you know, might not see it through the day because of me.

596
00:43:59,000 --> 00:43:59,900
It's a weird thought.

597
00:43:59,900 --> 00:44:07,620
I think people make a mistake by giving a wild animal human feelings.

598
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,080
They don't have human feelings.

599
00:44:11,660 --> 00:44:12,080
No.

600
00:44:13,060 --> 00:44:14,240
They have feelings.

601
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:15,440
They do, but not...

602
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:16,140
They feel nervous.

603
00:44:16,500 --> 00:44:18,000
Yeah, but not human feelings.

604
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:23,580
It's, you know, people tend to think of bambi when they go hunting and stuff and compare it.

605
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:25,280
It's nothing like it.

606
00:44:25,340 --> 00:44:27,600
It's a wild animal we've got here.

607
00:44:27,780 --> 00:44:34,800
And if we shoot it or a lion kills it or a cheetah catches it, you know, there's not much difference really.

608
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:38,080
So everything now revolves around you.

609
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:41,800
It's up to you to decide what you want to do if you want to go through with it.

610
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:45,020
And now we'll get the animal in.

611
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,280
And then it's you in the crossbar.

612
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,000
Makes me a bit nervous thinking about it.

613
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:54,900
Should we get in there?

614
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:55,280
Yeah.

615
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:55,340
Yeah.

616
00:44:55,340 --> 00:44:55,400
Yeah.

617
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:19,340
Are you looking for a big trophy, big, or do you just want to shoot a pig?

618
00:45:23,060 --> 00:45:24,740
I don't mind if it's big or not.

619
00:45:28,340 --> 00:45:33,680
Because if you want to shoot a pig, if this is a young male, he'd be a good one to shoot.

620
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,300
His discs are not huge, but he's a young man.

621
00:45:39,020 --> 00:45:39,380
Yeah.

622
00:45:41,380 --> 00:45:46,820
You see on his body, just behind, from where his elbow goes up, there's like a shadow.

623
00:45:47,460 --> 00:45:48,260
A whore dog.

624
00:45:48,380 --> 00:45:49,180
On the whore dog.

625
00:45:49,700 --> 00:45:52,540
The top of that shadow, that's where you want to aim.

626
00:45:53,260 --> 00:45:54,900
That's where you want the arrow to go.

627
00:45:55,180 --> 00:45:55,540
Why?

628
00:45:55,720 --> 00:45:56,520
Straight in there.

629
00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:01,720
That's going to go over the top of his heart and through both lungs.

630
00:46:01,720 --> 00:46:07,120
But if you kill him, he won't even know he's dead.

631
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:09,920
We just got to wait for him to move a little bit.

632
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:12,580
Because the bolt will go right through him.

633
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,340
So we don't want to take anything behind him.

634
00:46:15,340 --> 00:46:15,840
Yeah.

635
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:15,880
Yeah.

636
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:26,180
Let's take a look first.

637
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:26,800
Okay.

638
00:46:28,380 --> 00:46:29,540
See if you're comfortable.

639
00:46:29,540 --> 00:46:54,440
Take it.

640
00:46:54,500 --> 00:46:55,000
Okay.

641
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:56,560
Take it.

642
00:46:56,560 --> 00:47:16,900
I don't think I can do it, Clint.

643
00:47:16,900 --> 00:47:20,980
I'm not feeling an urge to do it.

644
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,200
I'm feeling an urge not to do it.

645
00:47:24,700 --> 00:47:25,040
Okay.

646
00:47:25,100 --> 00:47:26,140
Well, that's your decision.

647
00:47:31,580 --> 00:47:33,580
I really don't think I want to do it.

648
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:34,720
Sorry.

649
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:37,560
Sorry.

650
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:37,640
Sorry.

651
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:37,680
Sorry.

652
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:37,720
Sorry.

653
00:47:46,900 --> 00:48:14,660
I didn't want to kill the animal.

654
00:48:14,660 --> 00:48:21,920
It feels a bit, it seems a bit wet almost, you know.

655
00:48:25,660 --> 00:48:30,480
There's a part of me that feels like, well, yeah, it makes sense to face up to the gore

656
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:35,260
of nature and be part of that process.

657
00:48:35,260 --> 00:48:45,600
But, um, but I didn't, uh, I wonder if maybe also it was a bit easy.

658
00:48:46,260 --> 00:48:47,400
It's not quite easy.

659
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:51,340
Like I said, not everybody's a hunter.

660
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:54,840
You'll eat the meat, but you won't kill it.

661
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:56,120
That's fine.

662
00:48:57,420 --> 00:48:58,840
People just have to respect that.

663
00:48:59,300 --> 00:49:00,480
Leave it to the professionals.

664
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:01,700
That's it.

665
00:49:01,700 --> 00:49:16,200
Where are we going, Pete?

666
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:21,020
To the sail pins, where the animals are being kept for the sail.

667
00:49:21,420 --> 00:49:22,840
I was back with Pete Warren.

668
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:27,780
He'd offered to show me his sable, a species he'd helped bring back from the brink of extinction.

669
00:49:27,780 --> 00:49:30,060
And these are sable you're selling?

670
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:30,700
Yes.

671
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:44,460
I have too many bulls, and, uh, the guys who own, um, safari outfits need bulls for the coming season.

672
00:49:44,820 --> 00:49:45,320
For hunting?

673
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:46,360
For hunting, yeah.

674
00:49:47,820 --> 00:49:54,780
So I select the bulls, which I know are not really up to standard, and they are moved to this facility.

675
00:49:54,780 --> 00:49:57,880
You're not keen for us to see the lions again?

676
00:49:59,100 --> 00:50:02,640
No, we've got two hours of footage.

677
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:04,940
You can just roll it back, you'll see it.

678
00:50:04,980 --> 00:50:05,440
It's all there.

679
00:50:06,180 --> 00:50:09,380
The bottom, the top, the side, all the sides of the lions.

680
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:11,640
Are you telling us how to do our job?

681
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:14,200
Yeah, yeah, yeah, sort of, yes.

682
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:23,820
I was now close to the end of my time in the world of hunting.

683
00:50:24,420 --> 00:50:32,160
I'd been swayed by some of the arguments, but I was still troubled by the idea of animals that had been bred for the sole purpose of being hunted.

684
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:35,300
They look quite vulnerable, don't they?

685
00:50:36,100 --> 00:50:39,800
Would you like to get out and just give them a chat, give them a touch?

686
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:41,040
I'd love to.

687
00:50:41,500 --> 00:50:42,440
Why, what would happen?

688
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:43,600
They'd kill you.

689
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:44,880
Why?

690
00:50:45,340 --> 00:50:47,340
Because you're cornered, eh?

691
00:50:48,900 --> 00:50:50,180
How would they kill me, though?

692
00:50:50,620 --> 00:50:54,160
They would shove those horns right through you.

693
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:55,840
They'd kill each other.

694
00:50:56,100 --> 00:50:57,320
Kill each other all the time.

695
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:10,240
It's like, um, you said, you know, if these animals didn't get hunted, they wouldn't be here.

696
00:51:10,500 --> 00:51:12,520
There's no other reason for them to be here.

697
00:51:12,700 --> 00:51:13,820
They would never have been bred.

698
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:14,740
They would never have been bred.

699
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:22,620
But then you could say, um, to be bred just to be hunted, you know, what kind of a life is that?

700
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:23,080
No.

701
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:24,500
Not much one.

702
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:31,260
Wonderful, because one-tenth of them is selected and becomes a magic ball forever.

703
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:34,300
And the other, the other...

704
00:51:34,300 --> 00:51:35,100
Nine-tenths.

705
00:51:35,180 --> 00:51:37,680
Nine-tenths have a place on the wall.

706
00:51:38,460 --> 00:51:40,120
You won't even have a place on the wall.

707
00:51:40,380 --> 00:51:41,580
They're going to have a place on the wall.

708
00:51:41,900 --> 00:51:46,680
It's not like chickens, where chickens are bred for eating, you know, and we don't say that we're going to hunt them.

709
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:48,900
We just breed them so that we can eat them.

710
00:51:48,900 --> 00:51:49,420
Yeah.

711
00:51:49,820 --> 00:51:54,200
But these are being bred to be killed for no other purpose.

712
00:51:55,060 --> 00:51:56,960
But you don't understand.

713
00:51:57,180 --> 00:51:59,800
The purpose is for the sport of hunting.

714
00:52:00,180 --> 00:52:05,300
But is it a sport when everything's been done to make sure that the hunter will get his trophy?

715
00:52:05,980 --> 00:52:06,340
Yes.

716
00:52:06,860 --> 00:52:07,120
Why?

717
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:09,200
It's like tennis without a net, isn't it?

718
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:12,320
If you want to put it that way.

719
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:15,360
If you want to put it that way.

720
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:25,720
Come and have a look.

721
00:52:25,720 --> 00:52:32,180
I don't think this thing's going to come off well.

722
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:33,480
Oh, no, I don't mean...

723
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:35,440
Your trend is wrong.

724
00:52:38,700 --> 00:52:41,860
You've asked me that ten, fifteen times.

725
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:43,720
You have asked me...

726
00:52:43,720 --> 00:52:45,060
It's just to be killed.

727
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:45,920
Do you think that's right?

728
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:46,820
Do you think that's wrong?

729
00:52:47,100 --> 00:52:48,800
You've asked me that fifteen times.

730
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:51,000
And I've told you fifteen, sixteen times.

731
00:52:51,540 --> 00:52:52,600
That's what we're up to.

732
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:57,300
That's why I agreed to do this thing, is for you to see the other side.

733
00:52:58,040 --> 00:52:58,780
Nothing of this.

734
00:52:58,860 --> 00:53:00,720
Not one of this would have been waste.

735
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:02,440
All this would have been...

736
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:04,420
The trees would have been chopped and made firewood up.

737
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:08,100
Now, all their sisters are being bred.

738
00:53:09,020 --> 00:53:11,520
We are creating better and better sables.

739
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:13,400
We're creating better and better rhinos.

740
00:53:14,020 --> 00:53:16,240
We have a rhino bull now of three and a half years.

741
00:53:16,500 --> 00:53:18,220
He's got a twenty-two inch horn.

742
00:53:18,340 --> 00:53:19,100
It's unbelievable.

743
00:53:20,240 --> 00:53:22,460
Because we've been paid per inch.

744
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:27,740
Understand that it's a different perspective.

745
00:53:27,940 --> 00:53:32,820
Africa does not have computers and people who are disciplined.

746
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:34,960
Who give it a chance.

747
00:53:35,380 --> 00:53:36,240
It's fucked.

748
00:53:36,980 --> 00:53:39,980
Because we chop down everything and we eat everything.

749
00:53:41,580 --> 00:53:45,040
And this is a way to make money out of what they're easier.

750
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:54,220
I didn't mean to upset you.

751
00:53:54,300 --> 00:53:54,700
I'm sorry.

752
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:55,280
No?

753
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:56,900
Fuck me.

754
00:53:57,380 --> 00:53:59,420
Stop asking the same question.

755
00:53:59,420 --> 00:54:05,420
I hate fucking elephants because they kill every good-looking tree.

756
00:54:06,060 --> 00:54:07,820
They don't eat the shitty bush.

757
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:10,500
They kill those big little trees.

758
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:11,700
They just debunk them.

759
00:54:11,700 --> 00:54:23,980
Now we can't get a permit to destroy or remove these elephants because the public, the world public, thinks that we are cuckoos because that question you asked me.

760
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:25,780
Doesn't it hurt you to hunt it?

761
00:54:26,660 --> 00:54:27,860
It doesn't hurt me.

762
00:54:28,860 --> 00:54:30,460
I grew up in another culture.

763
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:33,260
I mean, do you think it hurt?

764
00:54:33,260 --> 00:54:34,400
You care about the animals.

765
00:54:34,460 --> 00:54:35,840
You care about the animals.

766
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:36,380
I care about it.

767
00:54:36,380 --> 00:54:36,740
That's right.

768
00:54:36,860 --> 00:54:39,060
You don't want to see them all extinct, do you?

769
00:54:39,180 --> 00:54:39,800
That's right.

770
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:42,060
They're going to go extinct if they don't bring any money.

771
00:54:43,340 --> 00:54:44,700
They're going to go totally extinct.

772
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:48,200
What have I done with all the money I've made out of sables?

773
00:54:48,780 --> 00:54:50,120
Bought other sables.

774
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:54,240
Created the natural environment where they used to live.

775
00:54:54,720 --> 00:54:59,740
And I'm telling you, if it's not for hunting, there will be no species left in Africa.

776
00:54:59,740 --> 00:55:10,780
A little later, I joined Pete to watch a sable capture on a nearby game farm.

777
00:55:19,900 --> 00:55:24,700
This bull was one of the lucky tenth that would be used to breed other sable for hunting.

778
00:55:29,740 --> 00:55:36,220
For me, it was a last chance to get close to some of these beautiful, at one time endangered, animals.

779
00:55:38,460 --> 00:55:38,860
Reliant.

780
00:55:39,580 --> 00:55:39,940
Reliant.

781
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:53,480
Do you like the animals?

782
00:55:53,740 --> 00:55:55,680
I mean, do you like animals in general, as a vet?

783
00:55:55,900 --> 00:55:56,560
I suppose you have to.

784
00:55:56,700 --> 00:55:57,200
I love them.

785
00:55:57,420 --> 00:55:58,000
That's why I do it.

786
00:55:58,140 --> 00:55:59,020
I still cry when they die.

787
00:55:59,740 --> 00:56:00,860
I've been a vet for eight years.

788
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:01,800
I still cry every time.

789
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:02,200
Do you?

790
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:03,900
So, yeah, that's why we do it.

791
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:05,300
You wouldn't make a very good hunter.

792
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:11,120
You see, most of the people are not only there for the hunting.

793
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:12,500
The hunting is a business as well.

794
00:56:13,260 --> 00:56:16,180
But a lot of them are there for the love of nature as well.

795
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:17,860
And managing it.

796
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:19,020
Seeing what you have.

797
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:23,140
I've asked Pete the other day, when we were working with his animals,

798
00:56:23,140 --> 00:56:27,660
How much fun do you have out of this?

799
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:28,640
Not do you have fun.

800
00:56:28,740 --> 00:56:29,380
How much fun?

801
00:56:29,460 --> 00:56:30,500
And he said to me, there's oxygen.

802
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:32,820
What are we doing here?

803
00:56:32,860 --> 00:56:34,540
This is oxygen to him.

804
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:36,780
The passion of working with these animals.

805
00:56:36,780 --> 00:56:37,400
Who said that?

806
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:38,140
Pete.

807
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:39,220
Pete Warren.

808
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:39,500
Yeah.

809
00:56:41,460 --> 00:56:43,380
Paul said you've got a passion for the animals.

810
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:44,920
Passion.

811
00:56:45,620 --> 00:56:46,400
Yeah, okay.

812
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:49,780
A feeling for the animals.

813
00:56:50,240 --> 00:56:50,400
Yeah.

814
00:56:50,400 --> 00:57:03,280
I've never known life without an animal, eh?

815
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:11,840
After all my time in South Africa,

816
00:57:12,260 --> 00:57:14,700
the urge to trophy hunt still seemed strange.

817
00:57:15,260 --> 00:57:19,360
But it has, paradoxically, allowed exotic species to flourish.

818
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:23,040
By killing them, hunters have also kept them alive.

819
00:57:25,700 --> 00:57:29,340
As for me, I'll eat the meat, but I won't kill the animal.

820
00:57:40,580 --> 00:57:42,300
How did your team do today?

821
00:57:42,620 --> 00:57:45,700
Stay with us for Match of the Day 2 next here on BBC 2.

822
00:57:45,700 --> 00:57:50,420
And on BBC 4 now, Peggy sticks more than her neck out to get her ideas heard

823
00:57:50,420 --> 00:57:52,820
in the ad agency drama Mad Men.

824
00:57:52,820 --> 00:57:53,820
Have a great day.

825
00:57:53,820 --> 00:57:58,700
Bye for now, Peggy.

826
00:58:01,060 --> 00:58:02,360
Oh, Peggy.

827
00:58:02,380 --> 00:58:06,140
Bye for now.

828
00:58:06,140 --> 00:58:06,720
Bye.

829
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:06,980
Bye.

830
00:58:07,980 --> 00:58:08,280
Bye.

831
00:58:08,660 --> 00:58:09,520
Bye.

832
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:09,940
Bye.

833
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:12,620
Bye.

834
00:58:12,620 --> 00:58:13,000
Bye.

835
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:13,080
Bye.

836
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:13,300
Bye.

837
00:58:13,300 --> 00:58:15,200
Bye.

838
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:16,040
Bye.

839
00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:16,060
Bye.

840
00:58:16,220 --> 00:58:16,880
Bye.

841
00:58:16,980 --> 00:58:17,240
Bye.

842
00:58:17,260 --> 00:58:17,820
Bye.

843
00:58:17,940 --> 00:58:18,500
Bye.

844
00:58:18,500 --> 00:58:19,040
Bye.

845
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:21,500
Bye.