1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:29,080 When we hear, we either accept or reject, or we translate what we hear according to 2 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:47,800 our knowledge, our background, or we compare what is being said to what is already known, 3 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:55,920 or we oppose one idea by another. 4 00:00:55,920 --> 00:01:04,920 All these characteristics of hearing denies the act of listening. 5 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:14,920 When one listens, there is no comparison, there is no acceptance or rejection. 6 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:25,920 That very act of listening brings about a total attention in which you see the totality and 7 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:30,920 the whole significance and structure of what is being said. 8 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:34,920 The quality of listening is attention. 9 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:43,920 And when you attend totally with your whole mind, with your heart, with your nerves and 10 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:47,920 your eyes and ears completely, intensely listen. 11 00:01:47,920 --> 00:02:00,920 When you give your whole attention to something, that is when you are completely listening. 12 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:09,920 In that state of attention, there is the act of listening. 13 00:02:09,920 --> 00:02:18,920 And that act of listening puts away anything that is not true. 14 00:02:18,920 --> 00:02:25,920 You listen to the totality of the thing. 15 00:02:25,920 --> 00:02:30,920 When you attend, there is no borders of inattention. 16 00:02:30,920 --> 00:02:37,920 And that act of listening is really a miracle. 17 00:02:37,920 --> 00:02:39,920 Perhaps it is the greatest miracle. 18 00:02:39,920 --> 00:02:51,920 When one can listen totally, without any defence, without any barrier, then one can look. 19 00:02:51,920 --> 00:02:53,920 Then one can listen. 20 00:02:53,920 --> 00:03:00,900 Look, sir, if I want to understand what you are saying, I am going to understand what you 21 00:03:00,920 --> 00:03:01,920 are saying. 22 00:03:01,920 --> 00:03:07,920 I am listening to you. 23 00:03:07,920 --> 00:03:12,920 I am listening to you with affection, with care, with attention. 24 00:03:12,920 --> 00:03:17,920 I am not listening to you with affection, with care, with attention. 25 00:03:17,920 --> 00:03:20,920 I am not listening to you with what you are saying. 26 00:03:20,920 --> 00:03:26,920 When I have heard this before, you are saying something new which is impossible. 27 00:03:26,920 --> 00:03:28,920 You are not listening. 28 00:03:28,920 --> 00:03:47,540 One of the most intriguing discoveries in modern science is the fact that there is nothing 29 00:03:47,540 --> 00:03:50,580 in this world that even approaches what might be called truly solid. 30 00:03:51,860 --> 00:03:54,120 We speak of solids, liquids, and gases. 31 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:59,220 But these terms describe superficial rather than basic properties of matter. 32 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:06,440 All matter, regardless of its state, is composed of invisible particles called atoms, which 33 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:08,320 in turn are composed of other particles. 34 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:16,360 The air we breathe, though invisible to us, is just as real as wood or metal, because 35 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:18,140 it's made of the same fundamental particles. 36 00:04:18,140 --> 00:04:24,020 It is the arrangement of these particles and the forces that bind them together, that 37 00:04:24,020 --> 00:04:25,980 give to a substance its special properties. 38 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:35,500 If we bring a piece of steel close to a magnet, we say that the steel becomes magnetized. 39 00:04:36,420 --> 00:04:38,260 But what is it that actually happens? 40 00:04:38,260 --> 00:04:45,660 If we place the steel inside a coil of wire connected to a high-gain amplifier, and then 41 00:04:45,660 --> 00:04:49,500 bring the magnet close to the bar of steel, we can hear something that suggests movement 42 00:04:49,500 --> 00:04:50,500 inside the steel. 43 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:51,800 Listen. 44 00:04:51,800 --> 00:05:08,640 We think of a piece of steel as being solid, and according to our definition, it is a solid. 45 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:13,800 But the popular concept of what makes a solid is certainly a false one. 46 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:21,300 This piece of steel, and any so-called solid substance on this earth, is almost entirely 47 00:05:21,300 --> 00:05:22,180 empty space. 48 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:27,880 If we could eliminate the empty space in this piece of steel, all that would remain would 49 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:33,100 be a tiny bit of matter, so small as to be invisible even with a high-power microscope. 50 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:41,440 This concept of almost unlimited empty space within matter is comparatively new, but it is 51 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:44,480 the very cornerstone of our knowledge in this atomic age. 52 00:05:45,980 --> 00:05:46,940 Atoms are not solid. 53 00:05:47,820 --> 00:05:53,460 Instead, they are tiny solar systems composed of infinitely small particles revolving at tremendous 54 00:05:53,460 --> 00:05:56,080 speeds and bound together by enormous forces. 55 00:05:57,260 --> 00:06:02,140 And like our solar system, atoms are almost entirely empty space. 56 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:05,580 For the moment, let's forget the forces within the atom. 57 00:06:05,580 --> 00:06:12,800 Now, thinking only of the particles and the empty space around them, science knows no reason 58 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:17,380 why I couldn't take this so-called solid steel bottle and just throw it right on through 59 00:06:17,380 --> 00:06:17,980 that wall. 60 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:19,260 Except this. 61 00:06:19,340 --> 00:06:20,740 We've tried it, and it hasn't worked. 62 00:06:20,740 --> 00:06:26,860 If I were to attempt to run through that wall right now, all I'd get for my trouble would 63 00:06:26,860 --> 00:06:28,280 be a good-sized lump on the head. 64 00:06:30,220 --> 00:06:34,100 But that which would prevent my body passing through the wall would not be a collision of 65 00:06:34,100 --> 00:06:40,760 particles, but rather a collision of forces, the same forces that make an atom bomb. 66 00:06:41,740 --> 00:06:45,420 And if it were not for these forces, my body could go freely back and forth through that 67 00:06:45,420 --> 00:06:47,580 wall just as though it were not there. 68 00:06:47,580 --> 00:06:55,360 It is within the realm of scientific possibility that there could be two worlds co-existent, 69 00:06:56,200 --> 00:07:01,440 occupying the same part of space at the same moment of time, each world just as real as 70 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:05,440 the other, with its mountains, valleys, rivers, trees, and people. 71 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:11,040 And that one world could pass freely through the other world, neither world being conscious 72 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:14,480 of the existence of the other world if you grant just one thing. 73 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:21,200 Atomic forces within the material substance of these two worlds that are not mutually interactive. 74 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:24,320 What do we mean by this? 75 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:26,480 Let's see. 76 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:29,860 Here are two pieces of steel. 77 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:31,560 Their appearance is quite similar. 78 00:07:33,020 --> 00:07:37,420 But a magnet will reveal a basic internal difference between the two pieces. 79 00:07:38,260 --> 00:07:39,900 This one, of course, is picked up. 80 00:07:39,900 --> 00:07:49,800 This piece of steel is non-magnetic, stainless steel. 81 00:07:49,800 --> 00:08:00,240 Of course, we all know that other metals, such as brass or aluminum, are not affected by 82 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:00,700 the magnet. 83 00:08:01,940 --> 00:08:05,160 But a ring made of aluminum is something else. 84 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:13,280 It can be suspended in air by the electromagnetic force of what is actually a transformer. 85 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:22,340 The ring being, in effect, a one-turn, shorted secondary. 86 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:29,960 A smaller ring will react even more violently. 87 00:08:35,220 --> 00:08:36,440 Here is another ring. 88 00:08:36,900 --> 00:08:39,680 This one made of a material we say is non-conductive. 89 00:08:39,680 --> 00:08:44,760 And it is completely unaffected. 90 00:08:46,560 --> 00:08:48,040 Here is another example. 91 00:08:52,420 --> 00:08:55,760 Several thousand watts of power were involved in that spark. 92 00:08:56,900 --> 00:09:00,600 If we replace the spark gap with a copper coil, 93 00:09:01,660 --> 00:09:05,020 the same power now flows through the coil. 94 00:09:06,180 --> 00:09:06,840 It's invisible. 95 00:09:07,620 --> 00:09:09,400 It has no effect on many substances. 96 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:11,780 But it can generate a lot of heat. 97 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:14,880 Wood, paper, 98 00:09:15,340 --> 00:09:18,600 things that we think of as being quite inflammable, 99 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:20,520 are not affected at all. 100 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:25,580 However, a piece of steel wool bursts into flame instantly. 101 00:09:25,580 --> 00:09:33,940 Did you ever fry an egg on a cold stove? 102 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:38,300 It's no trick at all to have the right equipment. 103 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:40,440 This is a cold hot plate. 104 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:44,160 And because it's cold, you can make it out of wood, if you like. 105 00:09:44,660 --> 00:09:48,520 Just be sure that there's a coil of wire inside and that you connect that coil 106 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:51,880 to a high-voltage alternating current source. 107 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:53,500 The rest is easy. 108 00:09:53,500 --> 00:09:59,600 As long as we're being different, we'll use motor oil instead of Crisco. 109 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:17,200 The egg fries very quickly, but the stove remains perfectly cold. 110 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:23,820 In fact, if you wish to keep it handy, you can fry your eggs on the morning newspaper. 111 00:10:23,820 --> 00:10:32,880 With a gadget like this, you can get up in the morning, sit on the stove, read the morning newspaper, 112 00:10:33,300 --> 00:10:34,940 and fry the eggs in your lap. 113 00:10:34,940 --> 00:10:40,080 Another example of the fact that physical forces can be quite selective in their effect. 114 00:10:42,500 --> 00:10:47,660 All of the examples which we have cited thus far have been in the physical realm, 115 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:49,500 and of course have been limited by that fact. 116 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:54,140 We can, however, cite examples that transcend the purely physical, 117 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:58,240 and clearly demonstrate the reality of these two worlds. 118 00:11:04,940 --> 00:11:22,140 Does it have been without a 119 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:23,760 yet. 120 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:29,800 So 121 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:59,780 Thank you. 122 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:10,520 The quantum unit, if you like, the real basis, basics of the universe, quantum physics thinks, are a quark. 123 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:11,480 Okay. 124 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:12,000 Right. 125 00:12:12,540 --> 00:12:14,740 A quark, a single unit, a single nothing. 126 00:12:14,980 --> 00:12:18,240 A quark is made up of two units, which vibrate. 127 00:12:18,680 --> 00:12:19,160 Yes. 128 00:12:19,300 --> 00:12:19,660 Okay. 129 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:22,300 Think of our light and our sound that we talked about earlier on. 130 00:12:22,820 --> 00:12:23,140 Okay. 131 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:27,880 Because they vibrate, they are pure energy, pure frequency. 132 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:28,640 Right. 133 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:35,460 But they give the impression of being matter by creating the vibration, which creates a physical response. 134 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:38,900 As you know, Mother Nature uses all kinds of mathematical languages. 135 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:45,340 When we go to understand physical phenomena, we generally find that there's some sort of mathematical underpinning to whatever the phenomena is. 136 00:12:45,340 --> 00:12:48,180 You know, like the Fibonacci sequence. 137 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:51,280 Just like that series you find in nature. 138 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:53,780 Like the face of a sunflower. 139 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:56,000 Where are the spirals? 140 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,220 You see, there's math everywhere. 141 00:12:59,300 --> 00:13:00,500 Encoded data. 142 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:03,140 How did we end up in a universe like that? 143 00:13:03,540 --> 00:13:06,560 Why should the world behave according to mathematical laws? 144 00:13:07,100 --> 00:13:14,640 And it turns out, in fact, all of our senses appear to rely on sort of Fourier transforms, that they all seem to use the same mathematics. 145 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:21,440 So again, here's evidence that the brain uses the same mathematics to decipher the sensory world as they're involved in the making of a hologram. 146 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:25,900 Which is, as I say, not proof, but compelling evidence that something is going on there. 147 00:13:26,300 --> 00:13:30,480 Not only that it becomes easier to describe with mathematics. 148 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:37,840 As you go deeper and deeper into reality, mathematics becomes the only way to describe reality. 149 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:55,020 Okay, so 1, 1, 2, 3, 5. 150 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:57,040 That's the beginning of the Fibonacci sequence. 151 00:13:57,280 --> 00:13:59,380 Next number in the sequence, what do you think? 152 00:13:59,740 --> 00:14:00,620 How about 8? 153 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:04,460 The number after that, 13. 154 00:14:04,460 --> 00:14:08,860 The number after that, 21. 155 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:18,560 So, if you're getting those right along with me, then you've recognized the pattern that I wrote with the first few numbers in the Fibonacci sequence, which is this. 156 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:20,200 It starts with a 1. 157 00:14:20,420 --> 00:14:21,580 The next number's a 1. 158 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:26,480 Then after that, to get the next number, you'll always add the two numbers that came before that. 159 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:34,180 So, 1 and 1 is 2, 1 and 2 is 3, 2 and 3 is 5, 3 and 5 is 8, so on and so forth. 160 00:14:34,500 --> 00:14:39,240 So, that's recognizing the pattern that exists in the Fibonacci sequence. 161 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:43,700 So, it turns out that this sequence of numbers has all kinds of applications. 162 00:14:44,060 --> 00:14:47,560 It describes all kinds of things in the world that we see around us. 163 00:14:47,560 --> 00:15:05,600 There's a conspiracy to hide this information that DNA is a Fibonacci, is an exemplification of this number, or entity, ratio sequence called the golden ratio. 164 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:11,520 The ratio that proves the existence of intelligent design, or the reality of intelligent design of the cosmos. 165 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:25,180 I mean, if you go to the golden ratio site for Wikipedia, too, on the same theme, they don't mention any of this stuff in nature that we're going to talk about here, that we talked about on the show two days ago, and that we're talking about here. 166 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:29,280 They talk about how it's found in architecture and math and all this kind of stuff. 167 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:32,540 They don't discuss it, how it's found in the measurements of the human arm. 168 00:15:32,700 --> 00:15:33,300 Why not? 169 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:38,240 It's just, it's, I mean, I think I'm making, that's the point here. 170 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:41,440 I think that just made sense to me, thinking this through as I say it to you. 171 00:15:42,060 --> 00:15:43,480 It has to be a conspiracy. 172 00:15:43,980 --> 00:15:47,820 How could all this be overlooked, and how could Wikipedia leave it out? 173 00:15:49,080 --> 00:16:02,220 It can't be, it has to be somehow that big money has pushed their influence somehow, and they've had a drive to keep this covered up, or something. 174 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:04,420 These can't all be coincidences. 175 00:16:04,420 --> 00:16:10,220 And since they're doing that with everything else, it has to be the case that there's some movement to keep this stifled. 176 00:16:10,220 --> 00:16:13,280 I mean, why isn't, and here's another piece to add to this. 177 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:15,800 Why isn't this in our education system? 178 00:16:15,900 --> 00:16:23,880 We learn all this junk geometry, pea brain stuff when you take geometry in high school, and they don't teach you about any of this? 179 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:26,600 It's the golden ratio everywhere in nature. 180 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:39,640 I went through elementary school, high school, college, undergrad degree in college, master's degree, and halfway through Ph.D. 181 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:42,060 And never was this any of this mentioned. 182 00:16:42,060 --> 00:16:51,120 And we know who controls the universities, the big money behind it, all the way up to the Illuminati Nephilim controllers. 183 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:55,520 So this can't be, this is planned, okay? 184 00:16:56,300 --> 00:17:03,200 And you just wonder, it's got to, I mean, I'm almost concluding here in my mind this, Davidson College sites showing up number one in Google all the time, 185 00:17:03,260 --> 00:17:10,020 and first page, and Wikipedia having these strange measurements which don't correlate with all kinds of these examples from academic sites I'm finding, 186 00:17:10,180 --> 00:17:13,660 and I'm putting them all, pictures of the screenshots in the newsletter. 187 00:17:13,660 --> 00:17:16,120 It's got to be a conspiracy. 188 00:17:16,940 --> 00:17:18,640 I mean, we could keep going compiling the evidence. 189 00:17:18,780 --> 00:17:20,020 It would just all lead to it, so. 190 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:26,560 And that, and if we could keep compiling evidence of it being a conspiracy, I mean, everything points towards it. 191 00:17:26,580 --> 00:17:28,340 I'm just throwing ideas off the top of my head. 192 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:29,960 These strange sites show up at the top. 193 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:30,780 Wikipedia is wrong. 194 00:17:30,860 --> 00:17:37,840 It's covered up completely in the best-selling books about the golden ratio, which come from wealthy university professors. 195 00:17:38,500 --> 00:17:43,420 It's, the university's and education's government-controlled education system absolutely covers it up. 196 00:17:43,660 --> 00:17:53,080 You see how, I mean, everything's falling in the same direction, you know, so when everything, all these conclusions point to the same direction, that it's covered up and hidden. 197 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:55,240 Oh, yeah. 198 00:17:55,620 --> 00:18:00,220 Come on. 199 00:18:08,780 --> 00:18:12,320 Oh, no. 200 00:18:12,660 --> 00:18:13,240 No. 201 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:14,200 Oh, no. 202 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:14,780 Oh, no. 203 00:18:14,780 --> 00:18:14,880 Oh, no. 204 00:18:14,900 --> 00:18:16,480 Oh, no. 205 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:17,700 Oh, no. 206 00:18:18,140 --> 00:18:19,120 Oh. 207 00:18:19,120 --> 00:18:49,100 Thank you. 208 00:18:49,120 --> 00:19:19,100 Thank you. 209 00:19:19,120 --> 00:19:49,100 Thank you. 210 00:19:49,120 --> 00:20:19,100 Thank you. 211 00:20:19,120 --> 00:20:49,100 Thank you. 212 00:20:49,120 --> 00:20:51,120 Thank you. 213 00:21:19,120 --> 00:21:21,120 Thank you. 214 00:21:49,120 --> 00:21:51,120 Thank you. 215 00:21:51,120 --> 00:21:53,120 Thank you. 216 00:22:21,120 --> 00:22:23,120 Thank you. 217 00:22:23,120 --> 00:22:25,120 Thank you. 218 00:22:25,120 --> 00:22:27,120 Thank you. 219 00:22:27,120 --> 00:22:29,120 Thank you. 220 00:22:29,120 --> 00:22:32,300 You are a piece of that fingerprint. 221 00:22:33,020 --> 00:22:38,680 And hey, you might realize that your consciousness is also and that there's no joke in saying 222 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:44,200 you're created in God's image and you can therefore take part in the power and creation 223 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:47,360 of the intelligent designer. 224 00:22:59,120 --> 00:23:05,880 It's an extraordinary phenomenon of people getting better even when they've only had 225 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:07,900 a dummy treatment or a sham treatment. 226 00:23:08,120 --> 00:23:14,180 So that can mean a sugar pill, but it can also mean sham ultrasound, where somebody just 227 00:23:14,180 --> 00:23:20,080 holds the machine up to your body but doesn't really switch it on, or even a fake operation 228 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:24,460 where somebody makes the incision and then pretends to do the operation but doesn't actually 229 00:23:24,460 --> 00:23:24,920 do anything. 230 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:28,920 And the fascinating and amazing thing is, it turns out that when people get these fake 231 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:32,160 sham treatments, they often get better. 232 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:37,680 What's interesting about the placebo effect is it shows the amazing power of the mind 233 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:38,300 over the body. 234 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:47,340 As to the origin of life, there are only two possibilities, creation or spontaneous generation. 235 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:48,880 There is no third way. 236 00:23:49,500 --> 00:23:54,900 Spontaneous generation was disproved 100 years ago, but that leads us to only one other conclusion. 237 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,220 That of supernatural creation. 238 00:23:57,780 --> 00:24:00,860 We cannot accept that on philosophical grounds. 239 00:24:01,300 --> 00:24:07,700 Therefore, we choose to believe the impossible, that life arose spontaneously by chance. 240 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:08,540 End quote. 241 00:24:08,980 --> 00:24:16,460 See what he's saying there is that science has to be conducted in a naturalistic vacuum. 242 00:24:17,120 --> 00:24:21,320 On philosophical grounds, we can't follow the evidence wherever it leads. 243 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:26,380 If it leads us outside the natural realm, to a metaphysical realm, to a supernatural realm, 244 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:31,820 we have to stay within this naturalistic materialistic box. 245 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:33,600 This in 1954. 246 00:24:33,940 --> 00:24:37,840 And the idea here is that science will ultimately answer all of these questions. 247 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:43,740 But the last thing that we want to do is jump into some kind of philosophical or theological explanation. 248 00:24:44,460 --> 00:24:50,780 It's interesting that 30 years later, in 1984, the late George Wald again gave us another quote. 249 00:24:51,140 --> 00:24:56,520 This was called Life and Mind in the Universe, and he actually was speaking at the Quantum Biology Symposium. 250 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,900 And here's what he said 30 years after the quote I just read you. 251 00:25:00,380 --> 00:25:07,120 It has occurred to me lately, I must confess, with some shock at first to my scientific sensibilities, 252 00:25:07,460 --> 00:25:14,040 that both questions, meaning the origin of consciousness in humans and of life from non-living matter, 253 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,920 might be brought into some degree of congruence. 254 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:24,120 This is with the assumption that mind, rather than emerging as a late outgrowth in the evolution of life, 255 00:25:24,340 --> 00:25:30,260 has existed always as the matrix, the source and condition of physical reality. 256 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:34,360 The stuff of which physical reality is composed is mind stuff. 257 00:25:34,940 --> 00:25:39,740 It is mind that has composed a physical universe that breeds life, 258 00:25:39,740 --> 00:25:46,500 and so eventually evolves creatures that know and create science, art, and technology-making animals. 259 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:50,320 In them, the universe begins to know itself. 260 00:25:50,900 --> 00:25:56,260 This again was 1984 by the late George Wald, an agnostic and materialist naturalist. 261 00:25:56,460 --> 00:25:57,860 But do you see where he's going there? 262 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,140 He brings in a notion of mind. 263 00:26:00,700 --> 00:26:06,340 He says, as I studied these 30 years, these three decades since his previous statement, 264 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,980 how does matter become mind? 265 00:26:10,360 --> 00:26:11,220 It doesn't. 266 00:26:11,820 --> 00:26:14,200 Mind must bring forth matter. 267 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:20,780 You see, matter has never brought forth consciousness or rationality or mind. 268 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:21,920 Information. 269 00:26:22,580 --> 00:26:29,420 See, now we know what the simple cell, so-called, or DNA, that this is information code. 270 00:26:29,900 --> 00:26:35,460 Information theory would say that this type of code, this type of ordered sequence, 271 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:41,360 this type of information can only be a product of mind, of intelligence. 272 00:26:41,360 --> 00:26:43,600 There is no other alternative. 273 00:26:44,460 --> 00:26:49,060 So what is George Wald saying here, even though it shocks his scientific sensibilities? 274 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:58,340 It's that in all areas of study, mind must bring forth information, matter, etc. 275 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:02,520 Matter never brings forth mind. 276 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:03,960 Think about that. 277 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:10,740 The evidence to me that just cries out that there's a God is the study of DNA. 278 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:16,520 DNA is a very powerful, massive information storage system. 279 00:27:16,620 --> 00:27:23,040 In fact, DNA that makes up our genes actually is like books of information that's read by a language system. 280 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:24,400 It's absolutely phenomenal. 281 00:27:24,660 --> 00:27:30,160 And scientists know today that language is a code, only come from an intelligence. 282 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:32,820 And information only comes from information. 283 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,640 Nobody's ever seen matter by itself give rise to a code. 284 00:27:36,980 --> 00:27:40,040 Nobody's ever seen matter by itself give rise to information. 285 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:46,360 And as you look at DNA, it actually cries out in the meaning, God created the universe. 286 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:52,060 We all begin as a single cell the size of a period at the end of a sentence. 287 00:27:52,620 --> 00:28:02,040 How does that cell know how to build a body with 100 trillion cells in it? 288 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:12,300 There are thousands of different kinds, and each one of them is so complex, nano-chemical machinery beyond our comprehension, how it works. 289 00:28:13,360 --> 00:28:16,460 And encoded is the instruction manual. 290 00:28:16,900 --> 00:28:26,520 It's the manufacturer's manual, how to build and operate every part of this incredible body made up of 100 trillion cells. 291 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:33,120 Furthermore, DNA is a three-dimensional molecule that is self-replicating. 292 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:38,460 Each molecule is able to make an identical copy quickly and efficiently. 293 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:45,340 The Lord has even programmed DNA to detect and correct replication errors. 294 00:28:46,740 --> 00:28:50,620 These sophisticated capabilities far exceed man's means. 295 00:28:51,220 --> 00:28:55,780 God has created the DNA molecule in such a way that it is self-correcting. 296 00:28:55,780 --> 00:29:06,640 There are special proteins called enzymes that go up and down the DNA molecule looking for and making repairs on a minute-by-minute, second-by-second basis. 297 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:18,380 God created us with a DNA code that actually has what we call editase, or editorial-type enzymes, just as an editor reads a newspaper or a book looking for mistakes. 298 00:29:18,380 --> 00:29:28,480 So God has created special enzymes that go up and down our DNA molecule, repairing the mistakes in ways that are unbelievably complex. 299 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:36,720 Our DNA has information in it, and there is a whole field of scientific study called information science, which studies how information originates, how it's transmitted, and so on. 300 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:43,960 And one of the laws of information science says that information never originates by itself in matter, never spontaneously comes about. 301 00:29:44,060 --> 00:29:49,960 Anytime we trace the copying of information back to its source, it always comes back to a mind. 302 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:54,360 And since we have creative information and DNA, that tells me that DNA comes from intelligence. 303 00:29:54,540 --> 00:29:59,120 It's not something that could possibly come about through millions of years of mutations and natural selection. 304 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:00,960 Nobody knows. 305 00:30:01,060 --> 00:30:03,540 Go to the university and go ask your physicist. 306 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:04,340 Go ask your chemist. 307 00:30:04,420 --> 00:30:05,320 Go ask them and say this. 308 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:14,280 Say, how do these crazy things called quantum particles, which act so strangely, compose the next stage up the chain? 309 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,760 Say, how do they compose an atom? 310 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,340 And then ask, how does an atom compose a molecule? 311 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,580 How does a molecule compose a chemical? 312 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,920 And they're going to say, we don't have any idea. 313 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:35,840 Now, they'll probably get out their, you know, tinker toys and draw you or sculpt you a picture of an atom and say, this is how the atom is structured. 314 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,920 And it gives rise to the molecule and some molecule in question. 315 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:44,540 And you say, no, no, no, no, no, professor, how does one compose the other? 316 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:51,160 I didn't ask you to show me a representation that you think is true about the one and then just, you know, about the atom. 317 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:55,740 And then just say, oh, it composes the next stage up, the molecule. 318 00:30:56,180 --> 00:30:58,960 I want you to say, professor, I want you to show me how it works. 319 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:02,280 Tell me what is involved. 320 00:31:02,980 --> 00:31:04,040 Guide me through the process. 321 00:31:04,500 --> 00:31:07,620 And that professor is going to say, we don't know how it works. 322 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:08,260 We can't. 323 00:31:08,260 --> 00:31:13,960 So the point is here, I remember we studied this a lot when I was a graduate student in physics or philosophy. 324 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:15,380 We talked about this a lot. 325 00:31:16,060 --> 00:31:25,920 There is no known relationship between quantum particles and then the things that they allegedly compose, 326 00:31:26,060 --> 00:31:31,000 whether it's molecules or chemicals or worlds or rocks or whatever. 327 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:35,980 Now, there's a whole lot of people who are going to tell you that that's what happens, 328 00:31:36,660 --> 00:31:39,360 that the quantum particles compose physical reality. 329 00:31:39,540 --> 00:31:42,580 Now, I'm not so sure. 330 00:31:42,580 --> 00:31:51,280 This is the level of knowledge, okay, not of wishful thinking. 331 00:31:51,900 --> 00:32:00,740 The level of knowledge is when we have empirical data and philosophical reasoning that is that sophisticated, 332 00:32:00,740 --> 00:32:08,380 that powerful, that ironclad, that simple, that we can say, okay, it can't be any of the way. 333 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,620 So we have to say this is an absolute truth. 334 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,300 This has to be a truth of things. 335 00:32:14,420 --> 00:32:15,400 This can't be an illusion. 336 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:16,820 So we know something. 337 00:32:16,940 --> 00:32:18,780 I mean, what's more enjoyable than that? 338 00:32:18,780 --> 00:32:20,320 Well, I can think of a couple things that are more enjoyable. 339 00:32:20,540 --> 00:32:26,620 But that's pretty, for someone like me who's just obsessed with knowing how things are 340 00:32:26,620 --> 00:32:31,000 and knowing about myself and just knowing the way reality works, 341 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,720 and I know a lot of the listeners of this show are the same way, 342 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:38,440 being able to exist at that level, that empirical and philosophical level, 343 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:42,640 is really important to me, and it feels really, really good, okay? 344 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,800 Some people don't care about stuff like this, and that's fine. 345 00:32:45,860 --> 00:32:47,920 Just let them go, and they care about other things. 346 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,580 Maybe they care about arts, or maybe they care about television, 347 00:32:51,740 --> 00:32:57,040 or maybe they like Barack Obama and war, and maybe they like to be brainwashed, 348 00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:58,100 or who knows what. 349 00:32:59,020 --> 00:33:02,620 But for me, I like to, I want to know how reality works, 350 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,780 and it makes me feel, every time I get a little bit further along, 351 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:11,420 it's like I've energized my soul or something. 352 00:33:12,060 --> 00:33:17,040 The deepest parts of me have grown, and they feel more spiritualized, okay? 353 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,860 So it's very, very healthy to do this. 354 00:33:19,860 --> 00:33:39,220 And did you believe in God? 355 00:33:39,860 --> 00:33:40,440 Oh, yes. 356 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:42,000 Do you now believe in God? 357 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:42,660 Now? 358 00:33:42,660 --> 00:33:47,400 Difficult to answer. 359 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:49,320 I know. 360 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,140 I don't need to believe. 361 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:54,400 I know. 362 00:33:54,660 --> 00:33:56,480 I know. 363 00:33:56,480 --> 00:34:12,680 You know, there are these peculiar faculties of the psyche, 364 00:34:13,220 --> 00:34:17,500 that it isn't entirely confined to space and time. 365 00:34:17,500 --> 00:34:22,960 Now, these facts show that the psyche, in part at least, 366 00:34:23,660 --> 00:34:27,140 is not dependent upon these confinements. 367 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,040 And then what? 368 00:34:31,460 --> 00:34:41,540 When the psyche is not under that obligation to live in time and space alone, 369 00:34:41,540 --> 00:34:43,660 and obviously it doesn't. 370 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:51,520 And that means a practical continuation of life, 371 00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,500 of a sort of practical existence, 372 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:57,220 beyond time and space. 373 00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:01,160 Only ignorance deny these facts, you know. 374 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:05,720 Do you yourself believe that death is probably the end, 375 00:35:05,820 --> 00:35:07,200 or do you believe that? 376 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:08,740 Well, I can't say. 377 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:13,280 You see, the word belief is a difficult thing for me. 378 00:35:13,720 --> 00:35:14,820 I don't believe. 379 00:35:15,300 --> 00:35:20,180 I must have a reason for a certain hypothesis. 380 00:35:21,060 --> 00:35:22,180 Either I know a thing, 381 00:35:23,300 --> 00:35:26,180 and when I know it, I don't need to believe it. 382 00:35:26,180 --> 00:35:30,180 If I don't allow myself, for instance, 383 00:35:30,500 --> 00:35:34,040 to believe a thing just for the sake of believing it, 384 00:35:34,620 --> 00:35:36,440 I can't believe it. 385 00:35:37,300 --> 00:35:41,700 But when there are sufficient reasons 386 00:35:41,700 --> 00:35:44,640 for a certain hypothesis, 387 00:35:45,580 --> 00:35:47,940 I shall accept these reasons, naturally. 388 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,940 Well, now, you told us that we should regard death 389 00:35:51,940 --> 00:35:53,360 as being a goal. 390 00:35:53,580 --> 00:35:53,860 Yes. 391 00:35:53,860 --> 00:35:56,740 And that to shrink away from it is to evade life. 392 00:35:56,900 --> 00:35:57,180 Yes. 393 00:35:58,420 --> 00:36:01,700 What advice would you give to people in their later life 394 00:36:01,700 --> 00:36:02,980 to enable them to do this, 395 00:36:03,060 --> 00:36:05,000 when most of them must in fact believe 396 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:06,520 that death is the end of everything? 397 00:36:07,300 --> 00:36:08,480 When he is afraid, 398 00:36:08,720 --> 00:36:09,920 when he doesn't look forward, 399 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:10,800 he looks back, 400 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:12,180 he petrifies, 401 00:36:13,180 --> 00:36:16,360 he gets stiff, 402 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,140 and he dies for all his time. 403 00:36:20,140 --> 00:36:23,260 When he is living on looking forward 404 00:36:23,260 --> 00:36:25,900 to the great adventure that is ahead, 405 00:36:26,300 --> 00:36:27,320 then he lives. 406 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,660 And that is about what the unconscious is intending to do. 407 00:36:32,460 --> 00:36:33,560 Of course, it's quite obvious 408 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:35,320 that we are all going to die, 409 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,880 and this is the side finale of everything. 410 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,240 But nevertheless, 411 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,040 there is something in us that doesn't believe it, 412 00:36:45,240 --> 00:36:45,760 apparently. 413 00:36:46,140 --> 00:36:47,640 But this is merely a fact, 414 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:48,880 a psychological fact. 415 00:36:50,740 --> 00:36:53,860 Does it mean to me that it proves something? 416 00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:55,640 It is simply so. 417 00:36:56,780 --> 00:36:59,700 And I think if you think along the lines of nature, 418 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:01,520 then you think properly. 419 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:24,220 Yesterday, 420 00:37:24,220 --> 00:37:28,020 there is nothing there for you. 421 00:37:28,020 --> 00:37:58,000 Transcription by CastingWords