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Martin, Sheffield, South Yorkshire.

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Erm, you were born in South Yorkshire?

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Sheffield?

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Sheffield.

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When was that?

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Er, 1950.

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You old bugger.

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Yes.

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I thought I had a few years on you.

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Well, I have to tell the truth right from the start here.

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Absolutely.

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So I won't.

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Erm, what was it first of all that compelled you to ring me at home from the other side of the pond?

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Erm, well now that you've told people that I have a health problem, I have a brain tumor.

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And I was going to, erm, have the thing where they put the electrodes in the suction cups.

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You know, it was particularly, I didn't know much about it.

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So I went to the store and I needed something to read.

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I had to take my nerves down and there was the unopened files and it said mirror blah blah blah objects, you know.

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And so I bought it.

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And when I got home, you know, I thought, gee, I'm going to call and offer my footage.

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Because the footage that you had, I had everything earlier than that.

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Hmm.

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And, erm, and so I didn't know, I've never, I didn't know who Graham was.

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And I really was trying to call Mark Birdstil, because it, the unopened files is, er.

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He's the editor.

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He's the editor and, and it's a great magazine.

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And, and poor Graham, I keep calling him Mark the whole time.

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It's better than last night.

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I'm going to, I'm going to embarrass you again.

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Linda, wife of Dr. Bob Wood, said, Graham, can I take a picture of you and Bob and your son Mark?

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True.

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And, and, and, and secondly, I, I did, I didn't know it was coming.

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So I grew a beard and cut my hair and I, and now, and then I realized, oh my goodness, I've got to have something that's the same as the video.

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So I, I kept the same glasses.

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And, er, sometimes I have to wear the glasses and the bifocals.

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So, you know, that'll happen.

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They won't laugh, honestly.

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You can laugh.

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That's the thing.

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It's no problem.

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But, er, following that phone conversation, conversation we had very quickly,

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er, Russ Callaghan traveled across from the UK.

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Yes.

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He spent a week with you on Bowen Island.

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Yeah.

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And, of course, with, er, Brian Borschoff as well.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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The Phenomena exhibition.

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And, er, and you must have spent every waking hour of the day and night going over that material.

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Was it ever your intention at that time to, to see it globally disseminated?

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You mean when I called you or when?

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When, when, when you sat down at the end of that week with Russell and Brian?

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I didn't know what, no, I, I wasn't sure at all.

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I, I, I was, er, you know, just, just showing them and I expected them to take it back and do whatever you wanted to do.

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And then, of course, on the 11th of March this year.

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Yeah.

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The balloon went up.

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Absolutely.

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And, and I, and I congratulate you for that.

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And not only did the balloon go up in, in this country, but obviously through the internet and through the magazine.

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Yeah.

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For the first time, if you like, people began to register this name, Martin Stubbs.

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It scared me when I punched the Google in and put Martin Stubbs in there.

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Yeah.

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What's your background, Martin?

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Um, my background is that, is, is a, a television producer and also a station manager.

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And, and, uh, when I started in television, I was, I was lucky.

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I, I was a, the token Canadian they hired when Dick Clark Productions came up to do a chat show.

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And Dick Clark is the world's oldest teenager in America.

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And, and, um, I was very lucky because, uh, he taught me more than I'd learned at school.

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And, uh, then I, then I did, he asked me if I wanted to go back to Los Angeles.

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And I said, no.

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And I wanted to do something new.

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So, what, in Canada, the cable companies were being told they had to have local access television, community television.

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And they had to fund it to 5% of the basic revenue.

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And the reason is because in Canada, due to the mountains and, and all the distance, 98% of the country is cabled.

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Whereas in America, they cable it just for the extra stuff.

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And so, um, I started, you know, hauling the cables and doing all the, the stuff.

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And then one day I was the station manager for a, for a bunch of them.

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One was a farming community, a suburb, things like that.

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And so, um, and I, I used to do things, uh, that had consequences to them.

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In other words, if, uh, an adult daycare center was threatened, I would help them by making a video and we'd show it.

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And then they'd take it to the council and show it.

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Um, I even had a, a wonderful opportunity, um, to, to help, um, get, close down a, uh, Dickens-like dungeon prison.

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Where the guards union, the warden and the prisoners association, whatever they call it, um, called me up and said, can you come film it?

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And I did.

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And, and nothing seemed to happen.

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And I didn't know.

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And then they had a huge riot, called the Royal Commission, played my video and shut the prison down.

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And, uh, so, so that's basically what I'm used to doing is, is, is completing something.

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And, and I, I kind of, um, that, I did that, you know, from little kids shows to that, to that.

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But the UFO interest, or the interest in space, which came first?

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Well.

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And, and, and how?

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Um, the interest in space came first because, um, growing up, I just loved the, uh, you know, like everybody, the Apollo missions and, and all that.

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But what, what happened is somebody came along who was asked to do a UFO show.

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And the person, you know, one of, one of the things I do is I turn people down who, or I keep the eye and make sure that the right people that are doing it for the right reasons get access.

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Because they're getting free television crew and everything.

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And he came and I, I always research.

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So I, so I said, well, I'll look into, you know, the subject.

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And he wanted to do a program on a very famous Canadian ufologist called John Magor, who published the Canadian UFO report back in the, I think it was the sixties.

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And, um, so, you know, to research it, um, I, I, I phoned MUFON and asked to get their journal.

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And the next thing you know, I, I didn't realize I joined MUFON, MUFON.

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This is the mutual UFO network, which is even now that the biggest civilian UFO based organization in North America.

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Yeah, but it went even further.

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The next thing you know, they've appointed me prevent assistant, prevent associate or, you know, provincial director, which is like state director, county director, whatever, whatever that means.

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And everybody was supposed to send the reports to me, and then I, I, I was supposed to go over them and send them in.

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And I thought, oh, okay, you know, I'll do that.

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And how long ago was that?

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That was, uh, 1989 or 1989.

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1989.

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But what was it that first triggered your interest that compelled you to use your facilities at the station, if you like, um, to, to, to look at some of these images?

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Well, there is also, I am interested in the space phenomenon in the sense of, uh, many people here may not know it, but above thunderstorms that NASA has acknowledged that there's elves.

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They call them elves and sprites and, and things, and they shoot 60 miles in the air and they, they appear like in 1 30th of a second.

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And NASA acknowledges that they exist simply because it's their own satellites that picked this up.

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But they do say, uh, we don't know what it is.

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And then the other, other incident was, um, Lou Frank, Dr. Lou Frank, who's a very learned, uh, man at, uh, NASA had his own satellite.

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And he picked up what, what he called, uh, house size water comet hitting the earth all the time.

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And NASA backed that visually.

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They said, yes, well, it was our satellite and we do have black holes, you know.

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And so they said, the video's good, but we think in Frank's theory is a little crazy, you know, like of house size water comets or something hitting.

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And, but what struck me was that, that being with MUFON that, that, that so much of what came to me disappeared.

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And it was always said, well, the guy who shot that beautiful crystal clear thing is crazy.

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Or, you know, there was always some excuse.

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And so I thought, well, if I use the, I should look at the NASA channel and, and, and if, and see if it's really there.

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You know, if there's something there.

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When, when you say the NASA channel, for the benefit of people who aren't familiar with that, what does that mean exactly in terms of what you were doing at that time?

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The NASA channel through, through the cable TV station.

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Well, the NASA, I, I found out that NASA had, I didn't know it.

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We was broadcasting all of this stuff to the earth during the shuttle missions.

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And so based on the fact that I just thought, well, maybe I'll, maybe I'll check out, check it out and see if there's a, you know, if instead of looking up, I was going to look down.

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And, and so I happened to have the authority of the station and I just, I just, I was given my own dish and wire came down.

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And I had a bank of video tape recorders that, that were part of my job.

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You're constantly monitoring things and shows and watching them.

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And, and I, I just, I had all this pile of tapes in television.

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They're very strict.

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They say, okay, after this tapes run six times, you have to throw it away.

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Well, this stuff, I'm, it's perfectly all right.

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So I was piling it up in my office.

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So then of course, I, I got excited because I love space.

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Now the greatest space mission was the, to go up there and fix that telescope.

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And story Musgrove was, was on it and they were, the world was cynical.

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And so I thought, even if I don't see anything, it should be just great to see.

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And so I just programmed the video machines for the, I think we went for 11, 14 days or something.

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And I, I go home and put it on.

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And the first time I, the, the picture came up, there were these spheres, you know, so motivated me to keep,

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drove my wife crazy, you know, and I, and the way I did it was by going at 25 speed or, you know, in other words,

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you fast forward it because most of the shots are very still.

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So it's like just watching a chair.

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And if anything comes into the picture, there's movement.

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So, so, you know, that's pretty much how I, but I knew nothing really about the whole thing.

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So I, I mean, you, you, you, when you say you, you, you're speeding things on, you, you, you, you are a trained editor.

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Editor.

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That, a trained editor, but not a trained space expert or a physicist or something.

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So, but you, but to be a trained editor, you have to have a trained eye to pick these things out.

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Yes, exactly.

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And, um, the first thing that, but, but I didn't, no, absolutely I'm wrong, actually.

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The, I, the spheres, um, you have to have a trained eye to see them all.

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But they, they were so obvious, you know, you know, something comes up, moves over.

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And it's the, and so I called that space phenomena.

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Now, I, then I started calling it space phenomena one, because one day I, as a trained editor, I kept seeing these flashes.

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And, you know, vacuum of space, flashes, you know, so, so I went frame to frame, you know, on the, what, home video.

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There's 30 frame frames per second.

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And I still had flashes.

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Like, in other words, everything would be still.

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And when you went to the next frame, it would jump.

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So, I had to think, so I thought, well, how, how am I going to do this?

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So, what I did is, I, I know that there's actually 60 frames per second.

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They're called field frames.

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They're scan frames.

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And to get a good picture, it, it's literally scans twice.

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And, and for the most home videos, nothing, what would you possibly want to look at 60 frames?

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So, if you look at them, and then I took this SVHS machine and time coded it, which means put numbers on it.

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And, um, delivered up 60 frames and all these things appeared.

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All this thing I call phenomena too.

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Colors.

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Um, it was a spectacular.

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And, of course, I was quite shaken, really, because I, I didn't, I'd never seen that before.

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I'd only seen the STS-48 and I hadn't even really followed that up.

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You know, I just sort of.

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STS-48 for the benefit of, again, people here.

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15th of September, 1991.

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One.

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When an object appeared on the Earth's horizon.

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There was a flash to the left of the shuttle camera.

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A streak.

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Another streak.

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And this object did a right angle turn.

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That must have interested you then.

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It, it, it did, but, but, um, you know, it, it, it, they just quickly wrote it off.

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And, and then a gentleman called Jack Kasher.

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Dr. Jack Kasher.

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Jack, yeah.

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He wrote a blizzard of blinding mumbo-jumbo signs.

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I couldn't understand what the heck he was talking about.

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And, and, um, so I, you know, I just left it.

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But what Dr. Jack Kasher was saying then, back in 1991, and, uh, he was from Nebraska State University,

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was that, uh, contrary to what NASA was stating, that these spheres, these objects,

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were nothing more than ice crystals or debris.

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He used five scientific principles, if you like, to try and make that theory fit.

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Yeah, well, I didn't mean it the way it sounded.

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No.

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What I meant was that, um, that, you know, measuring the distance and all of these types of scientific principles

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was really easy to shoot down.

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Sure.

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And they did it.

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And then, nothing else came out.

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But then, poor old Dr. Jack Kasher was shot down because he came out with, with a prophetic statement.

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He said, in my opinion, these are intelligently controlled spacecraft.

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Well, that was almost a decade ago.

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Well, you see, the problem with that is, there was only one piece of video that was shown.

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And how can you come out and say these are intelligently controlled without looking at more?

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I believe in the preponderance theory.

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It's, it's, it would have got O.J. Simpson jailed, you know?

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Yeah.

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You know, not one reasonable doubt destroys everything.

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So, so, I, unless some other, you know, footage, really good footage came out, I, I wouldn't have made that statement.

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So, having assembled some footage with evidence of what you term the space phenomena one.

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Right.

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I.e. spheres.

226
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Yeah.

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And having identified this anomaly, if you will, that you label space phenomena two.

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Yeah.

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You then set out to try and seek out informed opinion.

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And I think you approached, was it, uh, Professor Weinberg?

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Well, actually, it's a little bit different.

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Okay.

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Um, the reason I alluded to the, the, the consequences of television programs is, is I don't, I, I don't do things and then just bury them.

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So, when I had all this material, I made a show.

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But, but I didn't say what they were.

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I, so I called MUFON and I said, would you like, you know, I'm supposed to be your, your director.

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Would you like to, uh, you know, the Canadian director, would you like to come in, head man, and, and comment on these things.

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So, they came in and looked at them.

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Well, he came with two other people.

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And, and he told me, he, he ordered me not to air it.

241
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Well.

242
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This is MUFON telling.

243
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Absolutely.

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Did they give a reason?

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Uh, you'll ruin everything, all kinds of crazy statements, right in our, in front of my staff.

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So, I just pulled out a pen and resigned and calling it a conflict of interest.

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And that was, and I booted them out of the station.

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And then I contacted.

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Um, somebody who was interested in phenomena.

250
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And the two of us sat there and oohed and ahed.

251
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You know, in other words, we went, wow, do you know what that is?

252
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No.

253
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We were just trying to get it out.

254
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And I thought that would be the end of it, you know.

255
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And, and so we put it out and it, it, right across Canada.

256
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And it kept playing.

257
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People were loving it and enjoying it because it was a non-threatening.

258
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I wasn't, nobody was claiming anything.

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And you could sit there and, and for the second space phenomena, number two,

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I just picked a, a copyright cleared, beautiful symphony, you know,

261
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and, and just let people sit back and look at them.

262
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Well, this thing was a, you know, every time it played anywhere in the country,

263
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our phone would go off the hook.

264
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You know, can we get copies of this and that and the next thing.

265
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Um, and, um, so, so, uh, I put it out and I got a call from a, a gentleman who was a contracted by Nassau to find out what was depressing the astronauts.

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Because, believe it or not, uh, they weren't all happy campers when they came down.

267
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And, which, you know, they, it's not good for public spins.

268
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So, most people don't know that.

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And, and what he discovered is, just to give him a qualification, because he's a very famous international artist, is shapes.

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So what they, what he proposed was, put some circles and squares and triangles, you know, it was too disorienting.

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I don't know whether that turned out to be the right answer.

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But he phoned me and he says, that phenomena too, I'm, I've got, you know, I've got to see it.

273
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And, and I can help you.

274
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Well, that, that's what you want.

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So, so I invited him down.

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And, uh, he says, well, I happen to know the, the gentleman who's also a contractor at NASA.

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His name is Dr. Weinberg.

278
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He's the, he's the, uh, behavioral, uh, specialist with 50,000 PhDs.

279
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And, and, um, it, it was funny because up at the university, it's called Simon Fraser University.

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You can't find a parking space.

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This guy's got his own building and the, and he had a whole empty parking lot.

282
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You know, you could see right away that he was doing something special.

283
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And he was, funny enough, he was doing brain scans, you know, where you're happy and it goes blue or green or yellow.

284
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And he was interpreting orca whales.

285
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And he had all these interesting little genius students.

286
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It was an amazing, uh, place anyway.

287
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He was a very good gentleman.

288
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And because the other contractor, I'm, I'm not using his name.

289
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And he, uh, he's desperately ill.

290
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It was himself, which is weird.

291
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Um, he, uh, he said, well, you know, Dr. Weinberg won't be interested in the spheres.

292
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You know, because he's an intellectual or something.

293
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He'd be interested in, in, in knowing what's in a, you know, these colored things in a vacuum.

294
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And so I thought, wow, that's great.

295
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We went up there.

296
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And, and at first, you know, it was one of those.

297
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Yeah.

298
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Okay.

299
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Go ahead and show me.

300
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And at the end of the, I say an hour in, he was running the machine, stopping the, the thing.

301
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And, and I, at one point I was talking to my friend, his name is Bob.

302
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And I, I'm talking and Dr. Weinberg actually came over and interrupted us saying, look at this one.

303
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Look at this one.

304
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You know, he was really getting enthusiastic.

305
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And I said, well, you know, what do you think they are?

306
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That's really what, what we're interested.

307
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And he genuinely sat down and we, he went through the pixelization process.

308
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And then he, he'd do the thing, tear the paper and throw it away.

309
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And at the end of the process, he eliminated gamma rays.

310
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He eliminated everything.

311
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And he looked at me and said, we've got to go direct to NASA.

312
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And he gave me his card and.

313
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Which I'm saying.

314
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Yeah.

315
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And, and he said, I'll call you, you know, I'll set it up.

316
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And never got a call.

317
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So then my friend Bob said, well, I know the, the, I know the person right at the heart.

318
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I know the heart's here, but I don't want to punch the mic for us.

319
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Let's go right to the heart of the Canadian Space Agency.

320
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So, because he worked for, for them.

321
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And this person that we contacted had daily direct contact with the entire astronaut core of Canada.

322
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Who said, hey, you know, could we send this in both phenomena and, and ask you guys what, if, what they think.

323
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And then we sent the tape to, to them that, and that's an honest quote.

324
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We've called her back.

325
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Oh, her.

326
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It's out.

327
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And she said, it's the most popular tape.

328
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The astronauts just love it.

329
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You know, that, that type of, among the astronauts.

330
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And I was pretty pleased because it was soft and non-threatening.

331
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You know, we weren't, we didn't use the word UFO, I guess.

332
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And so, we started this dialogue.

333
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And we would call her with questions like, what, what, is it stay vector, state vector, all those things, you know.

334
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Is this irrelevant?

335
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And, and that relationship continued.

336
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And then, a very strange thing happened.

337
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The Canadian Space Association, CSA we call it, pulled the astronaut off a flight that was about to go into space.

338
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The, the, the Canadian astronaut, about to go into space, was suddenly pulled off the flight and replaced.

339
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And, this, this astronaut literally, the, it was literally, we don't have to tell you why, the end, goodbye.

340
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You know, so, that was it.

341
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The papers dismissed it.

342
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And he disappeared.

343
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And another astronaut went out.

344
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So, I said, you know, Bob, we should really, we should really phone, because I've got a strange feeling.

345
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And, and so, we've made the call.

346
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You know, the call would be, was it, was it the astronaut that loved them the most?

347
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One of the astronauts became obsessed with the tape.

348
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Like, she was saying, oh, he's handing them out to just about everybody.

349
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And, and she, you know, said, yes.

350
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Yes.

351
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That gentleman is the one that was pulled from the flight.

352
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Then, she went cold and said, but you know, there's all kinds of reasons.

353
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And, and didn't want to talk to us anymore.

354
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And, Bob, you know, this is his friend and, and all that.

355
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And so, I just said, let's back off, you know, from, from.

356
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Now, you, you can't, you're not prepared to name this astronaut right now.

357
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But, what you are basically saying is, you can check it out yourself.

358
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Well, yeah, that's the thing is, is he, my friend is, this sounds strange, but he phoned me.

359
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Look, you know, I, I guess it was three weeks ago or two weeks ago.

360
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And he told me, he's, he's, was told he had terminal liver cancer and was gonna, you know,

361
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he was progressing massively.

362
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And like, he could hardly talk.

363
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And I, I said, you know, what do you think?

364
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Can I name these people?

365
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And, and so out of respect, really, you know, I can't, it's a friendship.

366
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I can't, it's a friendship.

367
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Sure.

368
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And also, also you can, the fact, the fact is that all you have to do is figure out, go to the internet, CSA,

369
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or in other words, empower, my whole message is, is empowerment, you know, of the individual.

370
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You can just go on the internet and start finding out which astronaut didn't go up.

371
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Um, I was, um, it, it, I found the group of astronauts in a, in a CSA publication.

372
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And this is him and I'm not gonna show it anymore.

373
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But, um, but I'm just saying that just, you know, UFO Magazine, I promised Graham you that I will,

374
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these names will come out in UFO Magazine, uh, when Bob passes on.

375
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And, and he will, but he does, so, they will come out in a statement from him, not from me.

376
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Yeah.

377
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And, and, um, so that's, that's where it was really, that's when I started getting, hey, what are we into?

378
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You know, what, because everything had sort of been smoothed over.

379
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What happened after you, uh, touched base with Professor Weinberg?

380
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He never called back.

381
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That's all that's happened.

382
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Like, in other words, we just proceeded.

383
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Oh, I know, exactly, I'm sorry.

384
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Um, one of the things Dr. Weinberg told me is he said, you know, this is great stuff.

385
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But you've really got to be able to duplicate it.

386
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Find it on more flights.

387
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And he said, uh, he was referring to phenomena too.

388
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And he said, you've got to get more than one in a, in a shot.

389
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You've got to find, not just blue, try to get a blue and a green and a red one together.

390
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You know, multiple colors.

391
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And he gave me this whole set of instructions.

392
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And I sort of left and thought, well, you know, I'll follow that.

393
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But, of course, I didn't know what, how many times you had to do it to, to prove it.

394
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And, uh, next flight goes up, push the machines in, and there they were.

395
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And so, that, that to me, I thought, well, maybe I should do it again.

396
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And so, but I did it for five years.

397
00:28:05,700 --> 00:28:09,700
And, uh, you know, every flight something weird would happen.

398
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I mean, an astronaut would start saying, there's an object right in front of you.

399
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You know, you know, and, and the guy would step on his line.

400
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It's in the smoking gun tape.

401
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It, you know, there's an object right in front of you.

402
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Mark, will you look out there?

403
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I don't want you talking about.

404
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Yeah.

405
00:28:23,700 --> 00:28:26,700
And, and then the, and other, is it, am I missing something?

406
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And, and he would, you'd hear them, uh, say, oh, a lens filter flew away or something.

407
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And, which is really ridiculous, because during space flights, they get worried if a, if a little screw or something goes flying away.

408
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They actually try to get it.

409
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And the other thing is, if the lens filter come off, besides the fact that these are sealed cameras in the back and all that, um, he would have reported it.

410
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Like I said, oh, we've, we've, Houston, we've lost camera six or something.

411
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And, um, and then just to prove it even more, I, it, it was pretty much all the time there was a camera focused on them.

412
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So I, I, I went back and watched the whole space walk for some lens filter or something, you know, that was explainable.

413
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And the, and even more interesting, as anybody that's seen the, the, uh, smoking gun will, um,

414
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uh, they drew my attention to it.

415
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At first, I didn't see it.

416
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It was behind them.

417
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So the guy says, there's an object right in front of you, Mark.

418
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So I, oh, is there?

419
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And then this object comes up.

420
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And when he, when he said it's a filter, then I knew that what we're talking about is a very small object.

421
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Close.

422
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And, and just think about it.

423
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I mean, you, if you're, would, Graham, would I say to you, there's an object right in front of you.

424
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You'd say, hey, that's a microphone.

425
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What are you, dumb or something?

426
00:29:53,700 --> 00:29:56,700
You know, no, I wouldn't say, I don't know what you're talking about.

427
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And, and, you know, so, and then another time, another flight, you know, I kept saying this is the last one.

428
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And then, and then, um, they, they said, oh, the next flight, we're going to put a CCD camera on the black and on the low light

429
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and replace the smeary tube cameras that, believe it or not, the, the, the, the shuttle up and, you know, for most of that era was still using tubes.

430
00:30:22,700 --> 00:30:26,700
So the, when the camera panned, you'll see streaks on the video and things.

431
00:30:26,700 --> 00:30:35,700
Um, so I thought, you know, if you've got this phenomena too, then, and it's a CCD camera, which is a charge coupling device.

432
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It's a faster, uh, camera.

433
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And so I said, they should be in black and white.

434
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And guess what?

435
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Black and white.

436
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You'll see this on the video.

437
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And, and then, uh, after a while, you know, I, I decided that's enough.

438
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You know, two thousand million hours.

439
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I mean, um, my, my wife and I are still together.

440
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Um, and after all of this, I, I was, uh,

441
00:31:04,700 --> 00:31:07,700
I was, uh, the great, there's a great American who died as well.

442
00:31:07,700 --> 00:31:10,700
This, um, on the way to pick up milk.

443
00:31:10,700 --> 00:31:13,700
And his name is John Holloman of CNN.

444
00:31:13,700 --> 00:31:19,700
And he was great because he would force CNN to go live when the mirror was docking.

445
00:31:19,700 --> 00:31:20,700
And this was STS.

446
00:31:20,700 --> 00:31:22,700
I think it was 82.

447
00:31:22,700 --> 00:31:29,700
And, and, um, it, it, it basically, I said, well, if I, because I'm always my own worst skeptic.

448
00:31:29,700 --> 00:31:32,700
Well, and this is a spooky thing.

449
00:31:32,700 --> 00:31:34,700
I said, well, it should be there.

450
00:31:34,700 --> 00:31:38,700
You know, CNN, this picture on my own TV.

451
00:31:38,700 --> 00:31:39,700
So I recorded it.

452
00:31:39,700 --> 00:31:40,700
No, my deal.

453
00:31:40,700 --> 00:31:46,700
Oh, you know, this is the, all the marbles were putting on the, I'm betting the whole load on this.

454
00:31:46,700 --> 00:31:52,700
And you see it in the smoking gun tape, I think, uh, um, it's on CNN.

455
00:31:52,700 --> 00:31:57,700
And they didn't even see it.

456
00:31:57,700 --> 00:32:00,700
So, so I figured that's, that's about enough.

457
00:32:00,700 --> 00:32:01,700
That ought to do it.

458
00:32:01,700 --> 00:32:05,700
You know, you know, we can go to CNN and all this type of stuff.

459
00:32:05,700 --> 00:32:08,700
And, um, so that's that.

460
00:32:08,700 --> 00:32:09,700
Yeah.

461
00:32:09,700 --> 00:32:18,700
Um, tell, tell me, um, also at that time, somebody else you approached, um, with, um, examples, if you like, of, of the first phenomena, the spheres.

462
00:32:18,700 --> 00:32:24,700
And then latterly, the second phenomena, um, came about, uh, at the planetarium, I believe.

463
00:32:24,700 --> 00:32:25,700
Yeah.

464
00:32:25,700 --> 00:32:26,700
Tell me about that.

465
00:32:26,700 --> 00:32:29,700
Well, um, again, Bob, he's a really funny guy.

466
00:32:29,700 --> 00:32:34,700
And, and, um, he went to the planetarium.

467
00:32:34,700 --> 00:32:35,700
This is in Vancouver.

468
00:32:35,700 --> 00:32:36,700
In Vancouver.

469
00:32:36,700 --> 00:32:38,700
It was right after the Hubble mission.

470
00:32:38,700 --> 00:32:47,700
And some, this gentleman was touring, um, you know, blabbing about how great and showing the, the, the, the stargazers, you know, club.

471
00:32:47,700 --> 00:32:52,700
Uh, slideshows and stuff of the Hubble.

472
00:32:52,700 --> 00:33:00,700
And so my friend Bob went and, and it's a great, he, he went there and he said, um, you know, I'm, I'm here to, I think that I was invited.

473
00:33:00,700 --> 00:33:04,700
And he, he's kind of bumbling and, um, clumbo-like, you know.

474
00:33:04,700 --> 00:33:09,700
And, and, and the guy at the door said, well, you, you know, I don't know anything about it, blah, blah, blah.

475
00:33:09,700 --> 00:33:11,700
And then all of a sudden there's a crisis.

476
00:33:11,700 --> 00:33:14,700
So he said, can you do this ticket thing for a minute?

477
00:33:14,700 --> 00:33:18,700
So he handed Bob of the thing and Bob's letting all of these guys in.

478
00:33:18,700 --> 00:33:23,700
And so they figure he's with, with the planetarium and, and the guy never came back.

479
00:33:23,700 --> 00:33:32,700
So Bob closed the doors and then he walked to the front and they had the rope top area just for the, the director and this gentleman.

480
00:33:32,700 --> 00:33:37,700
And Bob went and sat beside them, you know, and he, and he was loaded up with the photos and everything.

481
00:33:37,700 --> 00:33:41,700
And the guy went through the lecture and he, and Bob said, oh, it's just great, you know.

482
00:33:41,700 --> 00:33:48,700
And I said, but what about the, and, um, he said, well, you know, I, I, afterwards everyone's chatting, you know how it goes.

483
00:33:48,700 --> 00:33:55,700
And, and he showed them picture, this gentleman pictures of the spheres and things like that, that we had.

484
00:33:55,700 --> 00:33:58,700
And he, he, he sort of, well, you know, that's okay.

485
00:33:58,700 --> 00:34:01,700
Um, you know, he wasn't, he was just playing it.

486
00:34:01,700 --> 00:34:02,700
He was comfortable with that.

487
00:34:02,700 --> 00:34:06,700
Comfortable because he could say, you know, look at all those ice crystals, you know.

488
00:34:06,700 --> 00:34:10,700
And then Bob pulled out phenomena too.

489
00:34:10,700 --> 00:34:13,700
He stood up and stormed out of the boom.

490
00:34:13,700 --> 00:34:15,700
It just disappeared.

491
00:34:15,700 --> 00:34:21,700
This is a NASA official help with the, this is a, the, actually even more than the NASA official.

492
00:34:21,700 --> 00:34:25,700
It's one of the key men that put together Hubble.

493
00:34:25,700 --> 00:34:31,700
I mean, um, you know, the, the, I guess he screwed the Hubble up the first time.

494
00:34:31,700 --> 00:34:35,700
Anyway, so, um, and, and so, you know, that was really cool.

495
00:34:35,700 --> 00:34:38,700
And so, you know, that was really, that really shook Bob.

496
00:34:38,700 --> 00:34:46,700
And so what Bob did is he suggested that we should phone this guy, you know, at the, uh, JPL.

497
00:34:46,700 --> 00:34:47,700
Yeah.

498
00:34:47,700 --> 00:34:48,700
So we did.

499
00:34:48,700 --> 00:34:50,700
And they hung up on us.

500
00:34:50,700 --> 00:34:54,700
And then we waited a day and we phoned again and, and we heard whispers like,

501
00:34:54,700 --> 00:34:56,700
it's that guy, it's those guys.

502
00:34:56,700 --> 00:34:59,700
And then, and, and then bang, went down again.

503
00:34:59,700 --> 00:35:04,700
So this thing started to really, you know, get weird.

504
00:35:04,700 --> 00:35:13,700
And, um, so, so, um, so I thought, you know, cause I, I actually think this second phenomenon is pretty weird.

505
00:35:13,700 --> 00:35:23,700
And, and it was almost as if, you know, they sort of come up with the cover story for spheres, you know, endless ice crystals, no matter, you know, ice crystals.

506
00:35:23,700 --> 00:35:37,700
Dust bunnies meaning, no matter what James Oberg says, that, that, the, the word dust bunnies came from, uh, a 1968 Life magazine where they were still trying to explain John Glenn's fireflies.

507
00:35:37,700 --> 00:35:47,700
And they changed their story and they said, it's dust that comes off of the edge of when two things, you know, and they, they had some pictures of, of what they thought it was.

508
00:35:47,700 --> 00:35:53,700
And it's really weird because, um, now John Glenn says it's astronaut.

509
00:35:53,700 --> 00:35:54,700
He actually has a peepee.

510
00:35:54,700 --> 00:35:55,700
It's astronaut peepee.

511
00:35:55,700 --> 00:36:06,700
Well, John Glenn didn't have a peepee, you know, when the fireflies were, he just did three orbits, you know, and you can go into National Geographic and they have the entire transfer.

512
00:36:06,700 --> 00:36:25,700
of the conversations, never once did he say, I've got to go to the bathroom, you know, he's, and then, um, I was surprised because this, this, this, they, they were learning for the first time about air glow, which is 60 miles of, of, uh, of a glow.

513
00:36:25,700 --> 00:36:27,700
And John Glenn didn't know about that.

514
00:36:27,700 --> 00:36:34,700
And so by the second flight, you know, the air, most of the mysteries were solved, but they still didn't know about the fireflies.

515
00:36:34,700 --> 00:36:35,700
Third flight.

516
00:36:35,700 --> 00:36:39,700
You also, you also stick up, um, if, if, um, just to, to, to.

517
00:36:39,700 --> 00:36:40,700
Yeah, so anyway.

518
00:36:40,700 --> 00:36:49,700
To keep, to keep this moving along, uh, before we turn to footage in the light, you also struck up, uh, email correspondence from, uh, uh, with somebody from within NASA.

519
00:36:49,700 --> 00:36:50,700
How did that come about?

520
00:36:50,700 --> 00:37:02,700
Um, well, um, well, um, well, there's a second person entered, entered in the research area.

521
00:37:02,700 --> 00:37:12,700
And they, and they said, this person was a, you know, uh, a web freak and said, well, you know, I'm going to strike up email conversations.

522
00:37:12,700 --> 00:37:14,700
And I said, well, you know, go ahead.

523
00:37:14,700 --> 00:37:15,700
I, I, that's fine.

524
00:37:15,700 --> 00:37:17,700
You know, in other words, you know, I can't do everything.

525
00:37:17,700 --> 00:37:20,700
I'm watching 2 million hours of this stuff.

526
00:37:20,700 --> 00:37:29,700
And, uh, so, um, he struck up a conversation with, with, um, uh, various people, but one, but with Dr.

527
00:37:29,700 --> 00:37:30,700
Um.

528
00:37:30,700 --> 00:37:31,700
Dr. Joe Nooth.

529
00:37:31,700 --> 00:37:32,700
Yeah.

530
00:37:32,700 --> 00:37:33,700
The third.

531
00:37:33,700 --> 00:37:34,700
Yeah, the third.

532
00:37:34,700 --> 00:37:35,700
Dr. Joe Nooth.

533
00:37:35,700 --> 00:37:37,700
Now, Dr. Joe Nooth.

534
00:37:37,700 --> 00:37:53,700
It's interesting because right away, Dr. Nooth, I'd seen, he'd saw the tape and I've got all the emails that show that him conversing away saying, you know, that I, these could be Lou Frank, small comments, but I think Lou Frank's full of it.

535
00:37:53,700 --> 00:37:55,700
You know, when it comes to what he thinks they are.

536
00:37:55,700 --> 00:38:03,700
I mean, in other words, he, he meant maybe photograph the same thing, but, but, but they're not, you know, whatever Lou says they are, they're not.

537
00:38:03,700 --> 00:38:11,700
But what was weird is when, when the smoking gun came out, all of a sudden he, he'd never seen the tape and, you know, you know what I mean?

538
00:38:11,700 --> 00:38:12,700
Yeah.

539
00:38:12,700 --> 00:38:23,700
Not only had he never, he said, not only had he never said he'd never seen the tape, although he's acknowledged things in email correspondence about the tape, he said his VCR had been broken for 18 months and so on.

540
00:38:23,700 --> 00:38:32,700
But what was also disturbing was the fact that, um, when James Oberg, um, who shall we say, uh, was skeptical at the outset.

541
00:38:32,700 --> 00:38:33,700
Yes.

542
00:38:33,700 --> 00:38:37,700
Contacted, uh, Professor Weinberg, who you discussed with.

543
00:38:37,700 --> 00:38:38,700
Oh, that was.

544
00:38:38,700 --> 00:38:42,700
Professor Weinberg said, I've never spoken with you, met you or don't know what you're talking about.

545
00:38:42,700 --> 00:38:44,700
He even said he'd sue us.

546
00:38:44,700 --> 00:38:45,700
Yeah.

547
00:38:45,700 --> 00:38:46,700
And I couldn't believe it.

548
00:38:46,700 --> 00:38:48,700
This is a gentleman, a great man.

549
00:38:48,700 --> 00:38:50,700
Why would he do that?

550
00:38:50,700 --> 00:38:51,700
You know?

551
00:38:51,700 --> 00:38:57,700
And then I think, I think somebody contacted him and reminded him and all of a sudden it went bingo.

552
00:38:57,700 --> 00:38:59,700
And he told me a lot.

553
00:38:59,700 --> 00:39:05,700
He told me his personal philosophy, which shook Bob, about what he really thought was going on in space.

554
00:39:05,700 --> 00:39:11,700
And he, you know, he, he'd done it, I guess, a bad thing, you know, in the eyes of somebody.

555
00:39:11,700 --> 00:39:20,700
And, um, but then another email came in saying, oops, well, you know, I don't remember the conversation the way he's talking.

556
00:39:20,700 --> 00:39:22,700
He's, you know, and that kind of thing.

557
00:39:22,700 --> 00:39:24,700
Did he ever tell you what you spoke about for three hours?

558
00:39:24,700 --> 00:39:25,700
Did he ever tell?

559
00:39:25,700 --> 00:39:30,700
Did he ever explain to Oberg what you'd actually discussed for hours?

560
00:39:30,700 --> 00:39:31,700
No, he can't.

561
00:39:31,700 --> 00:39:32,700
No.

562
00:39:32,700 --> 00:39:33,700
Because, you know.

563
00:39:33,700 --> 00:39:34,700
If it wasn't.

564
00:39:34,700 --> 00:39:43,700
He got, what happens when you find, this is a man that doesn't get rattled and he got rattled when he saw the second phenomena, especially when he couldn't figure it out.

565
00:39:43,700 --> 00:39:45,700
But he also got excited.

566
00:39:45,700 --> 00:39:46,700
You know, you get excited.

567
00:39:46,700 --> 00:39:47,700
Yeah.

568
00:39:47,700 --> 00:39:49,700
And so he started blabbing away.

569
00:39:49,700 --> 00:39:52,700
And, but he was, he was sincere.

570
00:39:52,700 --> 00:39:59,700
And, and I didn't think there's anything of it because it's just like me talking to you and you, you're not saying this is secret or anything.

571
00:39:59,700 --> 00:40:04,700
You're, he's just saying, well, here's, you know, I got to tell you, I, blah, blah, blah, you know.

572
00:40:04,700 --> 00:40:11,700
And so I think what happened is as soon as he remembered, he thought, you know, if, if I sue them, first of all, I'll lose.

573
00:40:11,700 --> 00:40:20,700
And secondly, um, this, this guy will reveal everything I've said, which I haven't, you know, I'm generalizing here.

574
00:40:20,700 --> 00:40:21,700
Sure.

575
00:40:21,700 --> 00:40:33,700
But because I believe that, you know, some of the, the, the things he said were just his personal opinion, I, I respected that and I didn't go any further with, with that.

576
00:40:33,700 --> 00:40:35,700
Now I'll move on again, another stage.

577
00:40:35,700 --> 00:40:36,700
And if we need to go back, we will.

578
00:40:36,700 --> 00:40:37,700
Yeah.

579
00:40:37,700 --> 00:40:44,700
Um, but after 11th of March, um, secret NASA transmissions, the videotape is out.

580
00:40:44,700 --> 00:40:47,700
People are, are hearing about all of this.

581
00:40:47,700 --> 00:40:54,700
And we get a call asking for a tape to be sent to a certain journalist in Florida by the name of Billy Cox.

582
00:40:54,700 --> 00:40:55,700
Yeah.

583
00:40:55,700 --> 00:40:56,700
We're happy to do that.

584
00:40:56,700 --> 00:40:59,700
But we say, please speak with Martin Stubbs.

585
00:40:59,700 --> 00:41:00,700
What happened?

586
00:41:00,700 --> 00:41:01,700
Whoa, this is great.

587
00:41:01,700 --> 00:41:05,700
Billy Cox is, you know, this is Florida today.

588
00:41:05,700 --> 00:41:11,700
It's part of the Gannett newspaper chain, the biggest going in the USA.

589
00:41:11,700 --> 00:41:17,700
And they print another paper called USA Today, and it is their national newspaper.

590
00:41:17,700 --> 00:41:23,700
And he said, I've got this tape and, uh, and tell me the story and all that kind of stuff.

591
00:41:23,700 --> 00:41:27,700
And I said, uh, and he said, well, what about this tether thing?

592
00:41:27,700 --> 00:41:28,700
You know?

593
00:41:28,700 --> 00:41:31,700
And I said, well, I said, that's probably the one to focus on, you know?

594
00:41:31,700 --> 00:41:41,700
And, and, um, and then he sprung out and he said, well, um, we've got a bunch of photo experts right now, right when I was on the phone.

595
00:41:41,700 --> 00:41:44,700
But right in the back here, and they're all checking this thing out.

596
00:41:44,700 --> 00:41:54,700
And here's this, here's the deal, Martin, that, um, this article will never appear where he quotes that there's an object and all this kind of stuff.

597
00:41:54,700 --> 00:42:02,700
But if we, if, if we can't, if our publisher and editor and that, if, if these photo experts think it's in front, it won't appear.

598
00:42:02,700 --> 00:42:06,700
And I said, you should print it, you know, I mean, you should tell whatever you want.

599
00:42:06,700 --> 00:42:11,700
But he said, no, they, they won't, it's a Watergate thing, you know, give me more of it.

600
00:42:11,700 --> 00:42:22,700
But he, he said to me, if it appears, then you will know that in our drawer, we have expert authorities, words.

601
00:42:22,700 --> 00:42:27,700
So if anybody comes to us from the, from our own Cape, we'll challenge them with it.

602
00:42:27,700 --> 00:42:35,700
In other words, the story didn't include the fact that, that they believed conclusively that this has gone behind.

603
00:42:35,700 --> 00:42:41,700
Myself, I lost the internet at that point, and I didn't know it was out.

604
00:42:41,700 --> 00:42:44,700
And a month later, I think you told me.

605
00:42:44,700 --> 00:42:50,700
And, and I was excited about the article, but I was more excited about the secret message that he was sending.

606
00:42:50,700 --> 00:42:52,700
In other words, the article.

607
00:42:52,700 --> 00:42:54,700
If our photo experts.

608
00:42:54,700 --> 00:42:55,700
Yeah.

609
00:42:55,700 --> 00:42:58,700
Can conclusively demonstrate.

610
00:42:58,700 --> 00:42:59,700
Absolutely.

611
00:42:59,700 --> 00:43:01,700
That objects pass behind the tether.

612
00:43:01,700 --> 00:43:02,700
Absolutely.

613
00:43:02,700 --> 00:43:04,700
Then we will print the story.

614
00:43:04,700 --> 00:43:05,700
You will know.

615
00:43:05,700 --> 00:43:06,700
That's absolutely what he said.

616
00:43:06,700 --> 00:43:07,700
Yeah.

617
00:43:07,700 --> 00:43:12,700
And, and that's absolutely why I, I think it was, I, he's a courageous man.

618
00:43:12,700 --> 00:43:15,700
And I think, I was surprised at the story.

619
00:43:15,700 --> 00:43:31,700
And it's very interesting when I did read it, that, you know, when Mr. Oberg was talking to his own peers in his own area, that last comment at the end, well, we should look into this and this and that.

620
00:43:31,700 --> 00:43:32,700
It's very interesting.

621
00:43:32,700 --> 00:43:37,700
Meanwhile, he's calling them, calling them, he's, there's a different thing on, on.

622
00:43:37,700 --> 00:43:38,700
On the internet.

623
00:43:38,700 --> 00:43:39,700
Yeah.

624
00:43:39,700 --> 00:43:46,700
But, but when Push came to his job and all his friends and his neighbors were going to read this, he, he couldn't just go crazy and say, this guy's nuts.

625
00:43:46,700 --> 00:43:51,700
Especially when, when Mr. Weinberg didn't even know anything about it.

626
00:43:51,700 --> 00:43:55,700
So you see, he was, he started wavering there.

627
00:43:55,700 --> 00:44:06,700
And, and, and that was, that, I mean, the first guy who phoned is this huge newspaper chain and, and they print a story.

628
00:44:06,700 --> 00:44:09,700
So, you know, that was amazing.

629
00:44:09,700 --> 00:44:11,700
And that was in NASA's own backyard.

630
00:44:11,700 --> 00:44:13,700
That's why it was amazing.

631
00:44:13,700 --> 00:44:14,700
Yes, exactly.

632
00:44:14,700 --> 00:44:18,700
Every family read it, read, read, excuse me, reads it.

633
00:44:18,700 --> 00:44:21,700
It was on the internet under Billy Cox.

634
00:44:21,700 --> 00:44:23,700
Now, this is really interesting.

635
00:44:23,700 --> 00:44:26,700
I checked the other day and they pulled it.

636
00:44:26,700 --> 00:44:31,700
It's no longer part of the backlog of Billy Cox's articles anymore.

637
00:44:31,700 --> 00:44:33,700
I wonder why that is.

638
00:44:33,700 --> 00:44:42,700
Which is a bit like when the only image of the STS 75 tether that was on NASA's website got pulled not long after we released the video.

639
00:44:42,700 --> 00:44:43,700
Um, however.

640
00:44:43,700 --> 00:44:44,700
Yeah.

641
00:44:44,700 --> 00:44:45,700
So that's it.

642
00:44:45,700 --> 00:44:46,700
Talking of the tether.

643
00:44:46,700 --> 00:44:55,700
Um, there was, uh, some nonsense aimed in, uh, your direction and inadvertently ours as well.

644
00:44:55,700 --> 00:45:08,700
When we pointed out on, uh, secret NASA transmissions that one of the curious features about this incident is that when NASA reestablished contact with their stranded satellite.

645
00:45:08,700 --> 00:45:09,700
Exactly.

646
00:45:09,700 --> 00:45:12,700
Um, they found something rather odd about it.

647
00:45:12,700 --> 00:45:13,700
Um.

648
00:45:13,700 --> 00:45:14,700
You have the cutting there, I understand.

649
00:45:14,700 --> 00:45:15,700
Yeah.

650
00:45:15,700 --> 00:45:25,700
It's really odd, too, that this cutting did not appear more than once in any paper because I think there's some kind of rule they have that they have to disclose it, but only once.

651
00:45:25,700 --> 00:45:32,700
It's kind of like, um, when they're gonna rezone your area, they put it somewhere in the paper where you can't find it, but it's in the paper.

652
00:45:32,700 --> 00:45:35,700
And it says, satellite signals a puzzle.

653
00:45:35,700 --> 00:45:52,700
And basically it says the hundred million dollar U.S. Italian atmospheric probe inadvertently became a free flyer Sunday night when it's 20.7 kilometer tethers, uh, to the shuttle Columbia snap.

654
00:45:52,700 --> 00:46:06,700
Now, the really interesting point here is that it says, um, um, um, that, um, um, first radio signals from the satellite caused engineers some surprise.

655
00:46:06,700 --> 00:46:15,700
Uh, the configuration of several systems had changed from when NASA lost contact with the craft Sunday.

656
00:46:15,700 --> 00:46:21,700
Uh, examples, uh, would be that the, the nitrogen fuel tank was empty.

657
00:46:21,700 --> 00:46:25,700
And its steering thruster valves were opened.

658
00:46:25,700 --> 00:46:34,700
In addition, a gyroscope had been left, that had been left on, was powered off, while two others remained on.

659
00:46:34,700 --> 00:46:41,700
And the, and the quote here is, uh, by David Wolf, astronaut David Wolf of the crew said,

660
00:46:41,700 --> 00:46:46,700
there has been an event on the satellite that we do not understand yet.

661
00:46:46,700 --> 00:46:55,700
Now, I think what's interesting also, and hopefully we can get, this is United Press International, Cape Canaveral, Florida.

662
00:46:55,700 --> 00:47:04,700
There's the, uh, the paper, and that's the photograph that was released.

663
00:47:04,700 --> 00:47:11,700
And if we can home in on the photograph, look what's around the tether.

664
00:47:11,700 --> 00:47:12,700
Yeah.

665
00:47:12,700 --> 00:47:18,700
Now, if you, I think if you probably got it on the internet, you'd say, oh, those are stars.

666
00:47:18,700 --> 00:47:24,700
But if, once you see the full footage, you go back and look at this and say, of course those aren't stars.

667
00:47:24,700 --> 00:47:25,700
It's very strange.

668
00:47:25,700 --> 00:47:26,700
Yeah.

669
00:47:26,700 --> 00:47:29,700
And, and, but they, I think they had to post something.

670
00:47:29,700 --> 00:47:30,700
Um.

671
00:47:30,700 --> 00:47:31,700
Um.

672
00:47:31,700 --> 00:47:33,700
But that was another one that came and went.

673
00:47:33,700 --> 00:47:40,700
Yeah, but it's very, very strange that, that what, what the article, what the gist of, the meaning of the article is,

674
00:47:40,700 --> 00:47:46,700
is if this satellite had defaulted, all the gyros should have gone, not just selective ones.

675
00:47:46,700 --> 00:47:48,700
This is as if somebody switched this and just reprogrammed.

676
00:47:48,700 --> 00:47:50,700
And actually, that's what they were saying.

677
00:47:50,700 --> 00:47:51,700
Yeah.

678
00:47:51,700 --> 00:47:55,700
They reprogrammed the computer, or whatever it is, in a hundred million dollar satellite.

679
00:47:55,700 --> 00:48:00,700
And, and the, you know, you have the tether breaking just at the right point.

680
00:48:00,700 --> 00:48:06,700
And then, now who would be tinkering with a satellite that's flying out in space?

681
00:48:06,700 --> 00:48:09,700
And it's very strange, so.

682
00:48:09,700 --> 00:48:15,700
Now, Martin, um, in order to, as I say, to, to keep this thing flying.

683
00:48:15,700 --> 00:48:16,700
Yeah.

684
00:48:16,700 --> 00:48:24,700
You wanted to raise a few, um, to raise a few areas which you think are relevant to all of this.

685
00:48:24,700 --> 00:48:30,700
The hidden meanings, things that we should be wary of in terms of reporting,

686
00:48:30,700 --> 00:48:34,700
in terms of how things are, are, are developing here now.

687
00:48:34,700 --> 00:48:39,700
Because it's, it's reached the stage now where we really do need to, if you like,

688
00:48:39,700 --> 00:48:45,700
put some meat to this framework that has been progressing now for the past 12 months.

689
00:48:45,700 --> 00:48:51,700
Um, because you, you look at things somewhat differently to the rest, don't you?

690
00:48:51,700 --> 00:48:54,700
Because you are gathering up these grains of salt.

691
00:48:54,700 --> 00:48:55,700
Yes.

692
00:48:55,700 --> 00:49:00,700
And you're noticing more and more things that you wouldn't put down to pure coincidence.

693
00:49:00,700 --> 00:49:02,700
No, that's exactly correct.

694
00:49:02,700 --> 00:49:07,700
But, but the aspect that really started getting interesting was the lingo.

695
00:49:07,700 --> 00:49:12,700
And people have said to me, um, including Billy Cox, it's not, it's secret.

696
00:49:12,700 --> 00:49:13,700
Why did you call it secret?

697
00:49:13,700 --> 00:49:15,700
And I said, well, you've got it all wrong.

698
00:49:15,700 --> 00:49:19,700
We would have called it hidden if we meant hidden.

699
00:49:19,700 --> 00:49:24,700
It's secret in the sense of there's double meanings all throughout this, this dialogue.

700
00:49:24,700 --> 00:49:26,700
You know, there's two parts to this.

701
00:49:26,700 --> 00:49:30,700
There's watching all the video and then having to listen to all the audio.

702
00:49:30,700 --> 00:49:35,700
Um, and there, that, that, there's one sentence bothered me.

703
00:49:35,700 --> 00:49:37,700
I don't know what you're talking about.

704
00:49:37,700 --> 00:49:41,700
And it seemed to me that it came out so fast before he'd even said it,

705
00:49:41,700 --> 00:49:44,700
that it was some kind of a double meaning.

706
00:49:44,700 --> 00:49:45,700
Double meaning.

707
00:49:45,700 --> 00:49:52,700
And I found in, uh, in the Apollo missions, they saw flashes in the craters.

708
00:49:52,700 --> 00:49:59,700
So, um, this one astronaut worked with somebody, blah, blah, blah.

709
00:49:59,700 --> 00:50:07,700
And he, he says here, um, but when he got to the point where he had seen the lights in the crater,

710
00:50:07,700 --> 00:50:09,700
those frames appeared to be missing.

711
00:50:09,700 --> 00:50:15,700
So he turned to his friend, uh, Johnson asked Paige about the missing footage.

712
00:50:15,700 --> 00:50:18,700
And Paige told him, I don't know what you're talking about.

713
00:50:18,700 --> 00:50:20,700
No, come on.

714
00:50:20,700 --> 00:50:23,700
So what I'm sort of saying is Apollo to this.

715
00:50:23,700 --> 00:50:24,700
I don't know what you're talking about.

716
00:50:24,700 --> 00:50:25,700
I don't know what you do.

717
00:50:25,700 --> 00:50:28,700
So I began to suspect things like that.

718
00:50:28,700 --> 00:50:33,700
And on the tape, there's also, you'll, there's a lot of things will fly by in terms of audio.

719
00:50:33,700 --> 00:50:37,700
But besides, there's an object right in front of you.

720
00:50:37,700 --> 00:50:39,700
There's also a dialogue here.

721
00:50:39,700 --> 00:50:42,700
You'll hear over, over the Houston shot.

722
00:50:42,700 --> 00:50:43,700
I tried to condense it.

723
00:50:43,700 --> 00:50:45,700
We were editing at five in the morning.

724
00:50:45,700 --> 00:50:54,700
And, um, it was really hard to, to, you know, to do this because I wanted to, to, to make it tell a story for you.

725
00:50:54,700 --> 00:50:59,700
And so, um, they asked one, they're doing, fixing the Hubble.

726
00:50:59,700 --> 00:51:02,700
And I guess they had, they've been in space too long.

727
00:51:02,700 --> 00:51:09,700
And these are the brightest and the best, seriously the brightest, because that was the mission they, that would make or break NASA.

728
00:51:09,700 --> 00:51:12,700
You know, either they can't fix the Hubble or they can't.

729
00:51:12,700 --> 00:51:21,700
Um, and, um, that one astronaut says, hey, you see that, is that, you see that satellite down there?

730
00:51:21,700 --> 00:51:22,700
You see that satellite?

731
00:51:22,700 --> 00:51:25,700
And the guy says, what, what satellite?

732
00:51:25,700 --> 00:51:27,700
That, that's not a satellite, that's Venus.

733
00:51:27,700 --> 00:51:29,700
He said, Venus?

734
00:51:29,700 --> 00:51:31,700
He says, no, no, it's coming right at us.

735
00:51:31,700 --> 00:51:32,700
You'll hear this.

736
00:51:32,700 --> 00:51:38,700
And, and, and he says, no, no, no, that's what Venus looks like.

737
00:51:38,700 --> 00:51:40,700
And then he says, it moves that fast?

738
00:51:40,700 --> 00:51:46,700
And, and, and, yeah, and he goes, yeah, it does, yeah.

739
00:51:46,700 --> 00:51:48,700
And then he just, that's it, you know.

740
00:51:48,700 --> 00:51:52,700
So it's not just, there's an object right in front of you that's interesting.

741
00:51:52,700 --> 00:51:54,700
It's all kinds of audio.

742
00:51:54,700 --> 00:51:57,700
And so that's how complex this is.

743
00:51:57,700 --> 00:52:02,700
And I, and I didn't do all of this work and not do my job.

744
00:52:02,700 --> 00:52:09,700
I had to do all this work after I'd done my job, because I also had the, all these stations and all these programs and everything else.

745
00:52:09,700 --> 00:52:10,700
Yes.

746
00:52:10,700 --> 00:52:13,700
But who could turn their back on this?

747
00:52:13,700 --> 00:52:19,700
I mean, by now, I was really interested in what was really going on.

748
00:52:19,700 --> 00:52:23,700
Not just what these things were, but all this strange behavior.

749
00:52:23,700 --> 00:52:27,700
I'm not a ufologist in the sense that I'm not used to this.

750
00:52:27,700 --> 00:52:29,700
And all of this is happening.

751
00:52:29,700 --> 00:52:31,700
And everybody's going weird.

752
00:52:31,700 --> 00:52:36,700
And so I just, as a journalist, it just piqued my curiosity more.

753
00:52:36,700 --> 00:52:41,700
And now, and, and so there's two, there's even that aspect.

754
00:52:41,700 --> 00:52:45,700
I'd love to just send you to print all of these quotes.

755
00:52:45,700 --> 00:52:48,700
There's tons of them that don't make any sense.

756
00:52:48,700 --> 00:52:53,700
If you've been in space, the people on Hubble had been in space a ton of times before.

757
00:52:53,700 --> 00:52:55,700
They don't send up rookies to fix a Hubble.

758
00:52:55,700 --> 00:52:58,700
This guy had seen satellites before, all that kind of stuff.

759
00:52:58,700 --> 00:53:08,700
So there's something weird about, you know, and now, in other words, I'm using general language.

760
00:53:08,700 --> 00:53:13,700
The material that you're wanting to share with the audience today, Martin.

761
00:53:13,700 --> 00:53:14,700
Yeah.

762
00:53:14,700 --> 00:53:22,700
How have you managed to, what, what, what, what, what was it that was uppermost in your mind to demonstrate to the audience today to share with them?

763
00:53:22,700 --> 00:53:23,700
Well, I.

764
00:53:23,700 --> 00:53:24,700
How did you go about that?

765
00:53:24,700 --> 00:53:26,700
When you were editing till five in the morning.

766
00:53:26,700 --> 00:53:27,700
Yeah.

767
00:53:27,700 --> 00:53:30,700
Well, I wanted to give a sort of an overview.

768
00:53:30,700 --> 00:53:37,700
I wanted to show, you know, you, the preponderance concept rather than what, what the smoking gun did is,

769
00:53:37,700 --> 00:53:42,700
sort of zeroed in on really great cases like the, the astronauts couldn't open the door.

770
00:53:42,700 --> 00:53:49,700
And, and, uh, somebody suggested in an article somewhere that, that they'd seen something, you know,

771
00:53:49,700 --> 00:53:50,700
and then they got, got poo pooed.

772
00:53:50,700 --> 00:53:54,700
So I looked at the video and I, there, there were these things.

773
00:53:54,700 --> 00:54:00,700
And, um, so I wanted to get a little bit of everything in it.

774
00:54:00,700 --> 00:54:02,700
So that's pretty much what's there.

775
00:54:02,700 --> 00:54:05,700
And what I'm, what I'm going to do is show the first video.

776
00:54:05,700 --> 00:54:07,700
And the first video is phenomena one.

777
00:54:07,700 --> 00:54:15,700
And then when this, when the first video ends, um, and I'm going to keep my mic on and, and, and I'll try to clarify things.

778
00:54:15,700 --> 00:54:18,700
Because at five in the morning, I didn't even get a chance to review.

779
00:54:18,700 --> 00:54:21,700
I, I'm just hoping I'm a great editor and it works.

780
00:54:21,700 --> 00:54:24,700
Or that Russell's got it cued upright.

781
00:54:24,700 --> 00:54:26,700
I'm sure Russell has.

782
00:54:26,700 --> 00:54:27,700
Well, absolutely.

783
00:54:27,700 --> 00:54:29,700
That's why you can take this joke.

784
00:54:29,700 --> 00:54:34,700
So, um, and, but then I'd like to explain the second space phenomena.

785
00:54:34,700 --> 00:54:36,700
And it's a little shorter piece.

786
00:54:36,700 --> 00:54:42,700
And, and, and, and what I've done is I've just put a whole stack of these single frames together for you.

787
00:54:42,700 --> 00:54:44,700
Black and white color.

788
00:54:44,700 --> 00:54:52,700
And, and then I picked some music, uh, and just, just thought, just sit back and take a look at them.

789
00:54:52,700 --> 00:54:57,700
Because I don't know how else you, you know, you can illustrate that.

790
00:54:57,700 --> 00:54:58,700
Okay.

791
00:54:58,700 --> 00:55:02,700
Before we run the video, if one of my colleagues could kindly get me the laser pointer from the lectern.

792
00:55:02,700 --> 00:55:05,700
Or, yeah, I think.

793
00:55:05,700 --> 00:55:10,700
Could one of you folks up there just get the little green, like laser pointer?

794
00:55:10,700 --> 00:55:12,700
Just on the top, if it's there.

795
00:55:15,700 --> 00:55:16,700
There's only a control.

796
00:55:16,700 --> 00:55:17,700
Yeah.

797
00:55:17,700 --> 00:55:18,700
That's it.

798
00:55:18,700 --> 00:55:19,700
Isn't those illegal?

799
00:55:19,700 --> 00:55:22,700
Nah, well, you can't, you can't buy them in the shops over here right now.

800
00:55:22,700 --> 00:55:23,700
Okay.

801
00:55:23,700 --> 00:55:25,700
For God's sake, don't point it in that direction.

802
00:55:25,700 --> 00:55:26,700
I promise.

803
00:55:26,700 --> 00:55:27,700
And you just do that.

804
00:55:27,700 --> 00:55:29,700
So, we're ready to rock and roll with the video.

805
00:55:29,700 --> 00:55:31,700
Maybe if we can get a couple of the lights down.

806
00:55:31,700 --> 00:55:33,700
I don't know whether we can or not, but, uh.

807
00:55:33,700 --> 00:55:36,700
Yeah, Russell, it'd be great to get the lights down.

808
00:55:36,700 --> 00:55:45,700
Now, here is, uh, here, here, there's, I can't hardly see this, but if you can see, see?

809
00:55:45,700 --> 00:55:48,700
Could we get the lights down at all?

810
00:55:48,700 --> 00:55:51,700
Here in the control room, they're watching this thing.

811
00:55:51,700 --> 00:55:53,700
These people here.

812
00:55:53,700 --> 00:55:54,700
And they're just...

813
00:55:54,700 --> 00:55:56,700
Have you got any audio, Russell?

814
00:55:56,700 --> 00:55:57,700
Yeah.

815
00:55:58,700 --> 00:55:59,700
And, um...

816
00:55:59,700 --> 00:56:05,700
...of Europe, and, uh, just about to move from, uh, sunlight into sunset, uh, thus the blooming...

817
00:56:05,700 --> 00:56:06,700
...space.

818
00:56:06,700 --> 00:56:07,700
Now, this is over Houston.

819
00:56:07,700 --> 00:56:08,700
Good one.

820
00:56:08,700 --> 00:56:10,700
And listen to the dialogue.

821
00:56:10,700 --> 00:56:13,700
There's a planet down on the horizon, too, isn't there?

822
00:56:14,700 --> 00:56:15,700
Oh.

823
00:56:15,700 --> 00:56:19,700
There's a satellite coming in.

824
00:56:21,700 --> 00:56:23,700
Look at that satellite down there, Jeff.

825
00:56:24,700 --> 00:56:25,700
Which direction?

826
00:56:26,700 --> 00:56:27,700
Right toward the sunset.

827
00:56:27,700 --> 00:56:28,700
See a bright light down here?

828
00:56:29,700 --> 00:56:30,700
Isn't that Venus?

829
00:56:30,700 --> 00:56:31,700
It's Venus.

830
00:56:31,700 --> 00:56:32,700
Oh, it's Venus.

831
00:56:32,700 --> 00:56:33,700
I think that's right.

832
00:56:34,700 --> 00:56:36,700
Oh, the Earth makes it move that fast.

833
00:56:36,700 --> 00:56:38,700
Oh, the Earth does make it move that fast.

834
00:56:38,700 --> 00:56:39,700
Oh, the Earth does make it move that fast.

835
00:56:39,700 --> 00:56:40,700
Fast to move.

836
00:56:40,700 --> 00:56:41,700
Go away.

837
00:56:41,700 --> 00:56:42,700
Go away, man.

838
00:56:42,700 --> 00:56:43,700
Look at this one.

839
00:56:43,700 --> 00:56:48,700
And it's still moving, see?

840
00:56:48,700 --> 00:56:49,700
Don't worry about it.

841
00:56:49,700 --> 00:56:50,700
Okay?

842
00:56:52,700 --> 00:56:54,700
Here's a door or something coming by.

843
00:56:54,700 --> 00:56:56,700
It might just be the monitor that I'm looking at shaking.

844
00:56:56,700 --> 00:57:00,700
On your video, when the jets are fired, do you see the camera moving at all?

845
00:57:00,700 --> 00:57:01,700
Oscillating?

846
00:57:01,700 --> 00:57:02,700
Oscillating?

847
00:57:02,700 --> 00:57:04,700
Why don't you ask why a camera's oscillating?

848
00:57:04,700 --> 00:57:05,700
Isn't that strange?

849
00:57:05,700 --> 00:57:06,700
I would say, my God, there's something really close.

850
00:57:06,700 --> 00:57:07,700
It could hit us.

851
00:57:07,700 --> 00:57:09,700
Uh, but apparently that's nothing to worry about.

852
00:57:09,700 --> 00:57:10,700
And this is the back of the shuttle here.

853
00:57:10,700 --> 00:57:11,700
The bum.

854
00:57:11,700 --> 00:57:12,700
Now watch this.

855
00:57:12,700 --> 00:57:13,700
Russian talk.

856
00:57:13,700 --> 00:57:14,700
I don't know what they're saying.

857
00:57:14,700 --> 00:57:15,700
Now I slow it down.

858
00:57:15,700 --> 00:57:16,700
Now I slow it down.

859
00:57:16,700 --> 00:57:17,700
I'm not afraid.

860
00:57:17,700 --> 00:57:18,700
I don't know what they're saying.

861
00:57:18,700 --> 00:57:19,700
Okay?

862
00:57:19,700 --> 00:57:20,700
Yeah, but I'm not afraid of it.

863
00:57:20,700 --> 00:57:24,700
So when the jets are fired, do you see the camera moving at all, oscillating?

864
00:57:24,700 --> 00:57:25,700
Isn't it strange?

865
00:57:25,700 --> 00:57:26,700
I would say, my God, there's something really close.

866
00:57:26,700 --> 00:57:27,700
It could hit us.

867
00:57:27,700 --> 00:57:29,700
Uh, but apparently that's nothing to worry about.

868
00:57:29,700 --> 00:57:30,700
And this is the back of the shuttle here.

869
00:57:30,700 --> 00:57:31,700
The bum.

870
00:57:31,700 --> 00:57:33,700
Now watch this.

871
00:57:33,700 --> 00:57:34,700
Russian talk.

872
00:57:34,700 --> 00:57:36,700
I don't know what they're saying.

873
00:57:36,700 --> 00:57:54,340
Now I slow it down, there, see, look at this.

874
00:57:54,340 --> 00:57:55,740
This is Mission Control Houston.

875
00:57:55,740 --> 00:58:00,360
This picture of the Russian space station Mir is being provided to us by the low light

876
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:03,140
level cameras on board Discovery.

877
00:58:03,140 --> 00:58:08,700
Physician, Valerie Polyakov, one of the Mir crew members, is occasionally shining a flashlight

878
00:58:08,700 --> 00:58:13,380
at the crew members to help with the...

879
00:58:13,380 --> 00:58:17,900
This is, listen to the dialogue if you can turn it up for us.

880
00:58:17,900 --> 00:58:20,800
Repress the right ohms for the B-rags, please.

881
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:21,800
There it goes.

882
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:22,800
Roger.

883
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:27,800
I'll do it again.

884
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:31,860
I've slowed it down, you'll see it.

885
00:58:31,860 --> 00:58:34,420
A magnificent picture of the Mir crossing the horizon.

886
00:58:34,420 --> 00:58:36,420
There it is, right there.

887
00:58:36,420 --> 00:58:38,420
Magnificent picture, eh?

888
00:58:38,420 --> 00:58:41,420
I mean, wouldn't you mention that?

889
00:58:41,420 --> 00:58:43,620
Like, except for the piece of debris about the...

890
00:58:43,620 --> 00:58:45,620
No, we should have it on IMAX also, and...

891
00:58:45,620 --> 00:58:46,620
See?

892
00:58:46,620 --> 00:58:47,620
We've got it on IMAX.

893
00:58:47,620 --> 00:58:49,420
We certainly have it in all of our eyes.

894
00:58:49,420 --> 00:58:51,420
We certainly have it in all our eyes.

895
00:58:51,420 --> 00:58:52,420
Yes, sir.

896
00:58:52,420 --> 00:58:53,420
You got it.

897
00:58:53,420 --> 00:58:55,420
There it is in real time.

898
00:58:55,420 --> 00:58:57,980
This is...

899
00:58:57,980 --> 00:58:59,980
Discovery, we have KU band down link.

900
00:58:59,980 --> 00:59:06,980
This is looking down from the Discovery, from Mir to...

901
00:59:06,980 --> 00:59:09,980
We are now receiving pictures from both Discovery and from Mir.

902
00:59:09,980 --> 00:59:15,540
Now, the Russians pan over the Russians, and they see this thing.

903
00:59:15,540 --> 00:59:16,540
Look at this.

904
00:59:16,540 --> 00:59:19,540
They zoom in on it, but they go too far.

905
00:59:19,540 --> 00:59:20,540
It's close.

906
00:59:20,540 --> 00:59:23,420
So they pull back, and there it is, in focus.

907
00:59:23,420 --> 00:59:30,980
Blue coming off of it, and then it zooms back, and so here I'm running it in slow-mo.

908
00:59:30,980 --> 00:59:31,980
It's got a blue haze.

909
00:59:31,980 --> 00:59:32,980
It's good.

910
00:59:32,980 --> 00:59:33,980
It's unbelievable.

911
00:59:33,980 --> 00:59:36,980
It's pretty, but for me, she...

912
00:59:36,980 --> 00:59:39,980
How do I get to dance?

913
00:59:39,980 --> 00:59:44,980
It was interesting, just the very fact that they panned over and zoomed in on it.

914
00:59:44,980 --> 00:59:48,980
And so I wanted to give you a good look at this.

915
00:59:48,980 --> 00:59:50,980
And now here's another one.

916
00:59:50,980 --> 00:59:51,980
This is really interesting.

917
00:59:51,980 --> 00:59:54,980
This is looking through the cabin down at the shuttle.

918
00:59:54,980 --> 00:59:59,980
That means we only have about 30 or so feet to go before we reach our point of closest approach.

919
00:59:59,980 --> 01:00:01,980
Now, watch this thing.

920
01:00:01,980 --> 01:00:04,980
He's trying to focus.

921
01:00:04,980 --> 01:00:06,980
This particular picture is from Mir.

922
01:00:06,980 --> 01:00:07,980
Watch this.

923
01:00:07,980 --> 01:00:08,980
I'm going to run it again.

924
01:00:08,980 --> 01:00:09,980
And all rendezvous activities continue very smoothly.

925
01:00:09,980 --> 01:00:10,980
Here it goes in slow-mo.

926
01:00:10,980 --> 01:00:11,980
I think we'll catch it in a sec.

927
01:00:11,980 --> 01:00:12,980
All orbiter systems are functioning as expected.

928
01:00:12,980 --> 01:00:13,980
There.

929
01:00:13,980 --> 01:00:14,980
You see it moving?

930
01:00:14,980 --> 01:00:15,980
Now, he's...

931
01:00:15,980 --> 01:00:16,980
Anyway...

932
01:00:16,980 --> 01:00:34,980
Discovery and Mir are now just south of the Kamchatka Peninsula and just to the east of Japan.

933
01:00:34,980 --> 01:00:50,980
The two vehicles are about to start a southeasterly sweep above the Pacific Ocean on Mir's 57th orbit of the mission and, well, on Discovery's 57th orbit of the mission and on Mir's 15th orbit of the day.

934
01:00:50,980 --> 01:00:52,980
And there's the real time.

935
01:00:52,980 --> 01:00:53,980
Again.

936
01:00:53,980 --> 01:00:54,980
And this is...

937
01:00:54,980 --> 01:00:55,980
I see a lot of these.

938
01:00:55,980 --> 01:00:56,980
A lot of these.

939
01:00:56,980 --> 01:00:57,980
These are just...

940
01:00:57,980 --> 01:00:58,980
Now, this is very interesting.

941
01:00:58,980 --> 01:00:59,980
This is Mission Control Houston.

942
01:00:59,980 --> 01:01:08,980
We are using the payload bay cameras right now to hopefully catch a glimpse of the Russian space station Mir as it performs an on-orbit burn.

943
01:01:08,980 --> 01:01:09,980
These are supposed to be stars.

944
01:01:09,980 --> 01:01:31,980
Though it will be difficult to pick Mir out from the stars as they pass behind us, the payload bay cameras are positioned such that they're looking straight back behind the orbiter where the Mir is flying at about 850 nautical miles behind us.

945
01:01:31,980 --> 01:01:36,980
Now they pan down and just look at this.

946
01:01:36,980 --> 01:01:37,980
Oh, joy, from here.

947
01:01:37,980 --> 01:01:38,980
Sorry.

948
01:01:38,980 --> 01:01:39,980
Hope it was a good one, though, for our friends.

949
01:01:39,980 --> 01:01:40,980
Turn it up now, Russ.

950
01:01:40,980 --> 01:01:41,980
Thank you, sir.

951
01:01:41,980 --> 01:01:43,980
We could not see it here either.

952
01:01:43,980 --> 01:01:49,980
We'll wait two or three more minutes till sunrise and then at that time give you a go for KU Stowe.

953
01:01:49,980 --> 01:01:51,980
They're everywhere.

954
01:01:51,980 --> 01:01:52,980
They zoom back.

955
01:01:52,980 --> 01:01:53,980
We're at a mission lapse.

956
01:01:53,980 --> 01:01:56,980
Time of seven days, 13 hours, and 17 minutes.

957
01:01:56,980 --> 01:01:58,980
This is Mission Control Houston.

958
01:01:58,980 --> 01:02:05,980
Now, I never knew stars did this, but I guess they do.

959
01:02:05,980 --> 01:02:17,980
The Mir space station is now visible on the far left-hand side of the screen, about an inch from the bottom of this particular picture.

960
01:02:17,980 --> 01:02:18,980
Where?

961
01:02:18,980 --> 01:02:20,980
Question mark.

962
01:02:20,980 --> 01:02:21,980
Okay.

963
01:02:21,980 --> 01:02:37,980
The Mir space station is the small flashing light in the center, about an inch from the left-hand side of the screen.

964
01:02:37,980 --> 01:02:38,980
It's slowly.

965
01:02:38,980 --> 01:02:39,980
It came out of nowhere that way.

966
01:02:39,980 --> 01:02:40,980
The hell on the camera?

967
01:02:40,980 --> 01:02:54,980
It is slowly moving closer to the left-hand side and is a very, has a very light flashing to it.

968
01:02:54,980 --> 01:02:58,980
We think, on the middle of the screen, way to the left-hand side.

969
01:02:58,980 --> 01:03:03,980
Now, I'm confused at this point.

970
01:03:03,980 --> 01:03:09,980
We think you can see a flashing light just a little bit to the left of the center of the screen.

971
01:03:09,980 --> 01:03:10,980
Very faint.

972
01:03:10,980 --> 01:03:15,980
They don't know what to do now.

973
01:03:15,980 --> 01:03:16,980
They don't know what to do now.

974
01:03:16,980 --> 01:03:27,980
We did see something flashing visually, but we're not sure that that might be, uh...

975
01:03:27,980 --> 01:03:28,980
This is Mission Control Houston.

976
01:03:28,980 --> 01:03:29,980
Now they're turning down.

977
01:03:29,980 --> 01:03:38,980
Once again, we believe we were just able to spot the Mir spacecraft as it flies about 850 nautical miles behind Discovery.

978
01:03:38,980 --> 01:03:40,980
Now they're shutting the lens down.

979
01:03:40,980 --> 01:03:41,980
There's something strolling there.

980
01:03:41,980 --> 01:03:48,980
The spacecraft appeared as a very small flashing light and then moved...

981
01:03:48,980 --> 01:03:50,980
Turn it up, Russ.

982
01:03:50,980 --> 01:03:55,980
...out of the picture as the camera was being moved to try to get a different picture.

983
01:03:55,980 --> 01:03:56,980
Go ahead.

984
01:03:56,980 --> 01:03:57,980
This is from STS-80.

985
01:03:57,980 --> 01:03:58,980
And again...

986
01:03:58,980 --> 01:03:59,980
This is Mission Control Houston.

987
01:03:59,980 --> 01:04:09,980
Once again, we believe we were just able to spot the Mir spacecraft as it flies about 850 nautical miles behind Discovery.

988
01:04:09,980 --> 01:04:12,980
These things flying back?

989
01:04:12,980 --> 01:04:25,980
The spacecraft appeared as a very small flashing light and then moved out of the picture as the camera was being moved to try to get a different picture.

990
01:04:25,980 --> 01:04:38,980
The one thing that we have noticed in the flight control room is that we've seen a large number of shooting stars during this five-minute or so period when we've been watching.

991
01:04:38,980 --> 01:04:39,980
From here.

992
01:04:39,980 --> 01:04:40,980
We've seen a lot of meteor.

993
01:04:40,980 --> 01:04:41,980
A lot of meteors.

994
01:04:41,980 --> 01:04:51,980
The streaks that are shooting across the screen are meteorites.

995
01:04:51,980 --> 01:04:52,980
In other words, shooting stars.

996
01:04:52,980 --> 01:04:53,980
They don't close the way to the atmosphere.

997
01:04:53,980 --> 01:04:54,980
Exactly.

998
01:04:54,980 --> 01:04:58,980
These things are outside of the...

999
01:04:58,980 --> 01:05:13,980
We think you can see a flashing light just a little bit to the left of the center of the screen.

1000
01:05:13,980 --> 01:05:14,980
So, um...

1001
01:05:14,980 --> 01:05:28,980
I see something flashing visually, but we're not sure of that one.

1002
01:05:28,980 --> 01:05:29,980
This is of particular interest.

1003
01:05:29,980 --> 01:05:39,980
The Mir space station just successfully completed an on-orbit burn, and we were trying to get a look at the space station while it performed that burn.

1004
01:05:39,980 --> 01:05:47,980
What we believe was the mirror was a small flashing light that was towards the left-hand side of the screen.

1005
01:05:47,980 --> 01:05:59,980
But one of the remarkable things about the time that we were looking with the payload bay cameras in that area was that we saw a number of meteorites and shooting stars.

1006
01:05:59,980 --> 01:06:01,980
Probably about a dozen or so.

1007
01:06:01,980 --> 01:06:02,980
Now...

1008
01:06:02,980 --> 01:06:03,980
It needs meteorites...

1009
01:06:03,980 --> 01:06:09,980
The crew on-board Discovery has less than an hour remaining before it begins its sleep period.

1010
01:06:09,980 --> 01:06:14,980
The crew will be going to bed at about 1.52 p.m. Central.

1011
01:06:19,980 --> 01:06:21,980
Now, here's another one that appears.

1012
01:06:21,980 --> 01:06:24,980
And we copy, Jean-Francois.

1013
01:06:24,980 --> 01:06:32,980
And all thus far during the checkout of the orbiter Atlantis' flight control systems has gone very smoothly.

1014
01:06:32,980 --> 01:06:33,980
Going smoothly.

1015
01:06:33,980 --> 01:06:39,980
The flight controllers have not monitored any issues whatsoever with the checkout this morning.

1016
01:06:41,980 --> 01:06:47,980
And you see, even as I turn the iris down, this thing's still there and still pulsing.

1017
01:06:47,980 --> 01:06:48,980
Here's another one.

1018
01:06:48,980 --> 01:06:53,980
Atlantis is passing about 163 nautical miles above Saudi Arabia on a southern course.

1019
01:06:53,980 --> 01:06:54,980
On a southern course.

1020
01:06:54,980 --> 01:06:56,980
I'll just repeat it again there.

1021
01:06:56,980 --> 01:06:57,980
These are...

1022
01:06:57,980 --> 01:06:58,980
There's tons of these...

1023
01:06:58,980 --> 01:07:00,980
They'll take it out above the Gulf of the Eighth.

1024
01:07:00,980 --> 01:07:02,980
Columbia, Houston.

1025
01:07:02,980 --> 01:07:03,980
We're looking at our...

1026
01:07:03,980 --> 01:07:04,980
This is where I'm smoking guy.

1027
01:07:04,980 --> 01:07:07,980
...and it looks like a lot of moonlight glinting off the ocean.

1028
01:07:07,980 --> 01:07:10,980
A whole sparkling bed of diamonds out there.

1029
01:07:10,980 --> 01:07:14,980
Is that a real picture or are we just getting some video fuzz?

1030
01:07:14,980 --> 01:07:20,980
Boy, it's taking them a long time to figure out the answer.

1031
01:07:20,980 --> 01:07:21,980
Pause.

1032
01:07:21,980 --> 01:07:22,980
Pause.

1033
01:07:22,980 --> 01:07:23,980
One thousand.

1034
01:07:23,980 --> 01:07:24,980
Two thousand.

1035
01:07:24,980 --> 01:07:25,980
Three thousand.

1036
01:07:25,980 --> 01:07:26,980
Three thousand.

1037
01:07:26,980 --> 01:07:28,980
And there's a flasher there.

1038
01:07:28,980 --> 01:07:29,980
And there's a way up there.

1039
01:07:29,980 --> 01:07:30,980
And he still has...

1040
01:07:30,980 --> 01:07:31,980
He's still recording that.

1041
01:07:31,980 --> 01:07:33,980
That's some of the ice crystals that we were dumping out earlier.

1042
01:07:33,980 --> 01:07:34,980
Ice crystals?

1043
01:07:34,980 --> 01:07:35,980
Oh, yeah.

1044
01:07:35,980 --> 01:07:36,980
Yeah, it's a beautiful picture.

1045
01:07:36,980 --> 01:07:37,980
Yeah, it's amazing.

1046
01:07:37,980 --> 01:07:39,980
That's a great combination of the moonlight and the ice and the clouds.

1047
01:07:39,980 --> 01:07:40,980
Every time they have a different thing.

1048
01:07:40,980 --> 01:07:41,980
Sometimes it's ice crystals.

1049
01:07:41,980 --> 01:07:42,980
Sometimes it's debris that just kind of follows us around.

1050
01:07:42,980 --> 01:07:43,980
There's no consistent answer.

1051
01:07:43,980 --> 01:07:44,980
Every time they spot these things.

1052
01:07:44,980 --> 01:07:45,980
Look at how...

1053
01:07:45,980 --> 01:07:46,980
Yeah, it's a combination of...

1054
01:07:46,980 --> 01:07:49,980
And on across the Atlantic Ocean over Africa.

1055
01:07:49,980 --> 01:07:50,980
And of course, that's the capcorder.

1056
01:07:50,980 --> 01:07:51,980
Red light flashing.

1057
01:07:51,980 --> 01:07:52,980
Now this, look at this.

1058
01:07:52,980 --> 01:07:53,980
Right in here.

1059
01:07:53,980 --> 01:07:54,980
Yeah, we see the thruster firing.

1060
01:07:54,980 --> 01:07:55,980
Thanks very much.

1061
01:07:55,980 --> 01:07:56,980
Now...

1062
01:07:56,980 --> 01:07:57,980
There.

1063
01:07:57,980 --> 01:07:59,980
See, it came right out from there.

1064
01:07:59,980 --> 01:08:00,980
And I think I show it again.

1065
01:08:00,980 --> 01:08:02,980
It's about 6 o'clock in the morning.

1066
01:08:02,980 --> 01:08:03,980
I was talking about a couple of 60 o'clock in the morning.

1067
01:08:03,980 --> 01:08:05,980
Every time they spot these things.

1068
01:08:05,980 --> 01:08:06,980
Look at how lovely...

1069
01:08:06,980 --> 01:08:08,980
And on across the Atlantic Ocean over Africa.

1070
01:08:08,980 --> 01:08:09,980
And of course, that's the capcorder.

1071
01:08:09,980 --> 01:08:11,980
Red light flashing.

1072
01:08:11,980 --> 01:08:12,980
Now this.

1073
01:08:12,980 --> 01:08:13,980
Look at this.

1074
01:08:13,980 --> 01:08:14,980
Right in here.

1075
01:08:14,980 --> 01:08:15,980
Yeah, we see the thruster firing.

1076
01:08:15,980 --> 01:08:16,980
Thanks very much.

1077
01:08:16,980 --> 01:08:17,980
Now...

1078
01:08:17,980 --> 01:08:18,980
There.

1079
01:08:18,980 --> 01:08:21,980
See it came right out from there.

1080
01:08:21,980 --> 01:08:23,980
And I think I showed it again.

1081
01:08:23,980 --> 01:08:25,980
It was about 6 o'clock in the morning.

1082
01:08:25,980 --> 01:08:31,120
I was talking about a story that got slow motioning, but that was really neat.

1083
01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:32,480
You know, it's not slow.

1084
01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:35,380
We were firing hours, and we were both maneuvering it close.

1085
01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:36,160
It's pretty neat.

1086
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:44,720
Space flight itself broads your horizons to the point where you can open up to possibilities.

1087
01:08:46,040 --> 01:08:48,720
This is unbelievable.

1088
01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:52,440
I just couldn't believe this when I saw it.

1089
01:08:52,440 --> 01:08:58,380
And look at, some are shooting across, some are going, some are closer because they're glowing.

1090
01:08:58,380 --> 01:09:04,500
And look at, you know, I mean, there's so many, I couldn't use ten-pointer to look them up.

1091
01:09:04,500 --> 01:09:15,300
The more you fly in space, the more you see an incredible amount of things out there, and that sort of brings to you really a certainty.

1092
01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:17,240
Now, doesn't that look like 40?

1093
01:09:17,240 --> 01:09:27,100
And so if you look, again, you'll start to see, you'll start to recognize them now.

1094
01:09:27,100 --> 01:09:32,800
Organisms and other civilizations have been around for a million years that are doing unimaginable.

1095
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:34,640
And say, look at these things.

1096
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:36,420
Now, apparently, they're not so worried.

1097
01:09:36,620 --> 01:09:41,240
Even though our Canadian astronauts are in there, the Japanese astronauts are in there, the Russian astronauts are in there.

1098
01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:43,460
Look at these things.

1099
01:09:43,460 --> 01:09:45,360
I can see no way that that would be classified in any way.

1100
01:09:46,060 --> 01:09:47,460
And, um...

1101
01:09:47,460 --> 01:09:48,140
I'm an astronaut.

1102
01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:49,140
I fly in space.

1103
01:09:49,700 --> 01:09:51,100
And, um...

1104
01:09:51,100 --> 01:09:53,320
The second I see some, I'm going to tell somebody.

1105
01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:56,240
That one almost looks like it's sort of, you know...

1106
01:09:56,240 --> 01:09:57,280
And this is the fact of the matter.

1107
01:09:57,440 --> 01:09:58,880
We were really not sure...

1108
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:00,880
It's sort of like a caterpillar guard.

1109
01:10:01,100 --> 01:10:05,340
...whether or not there were critters, living critters, out there somewhere.

1110
01:10:05,340 --> 01:10:08,540
I have the fireflies.

1111
01:10:09,500 --> 01:10:11,860
The stuff of life is absolutely everywhere.

1112
01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:12,500
Now, there's another one.

1113
01:10:13,020 --> 01:10:14,020
But you see, they're different.

1114
01:10:14,700 --> 01:10:16,680
But they all have something in common.

1115
01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:19,020
They should be commented on or something.

1116
01:10:19,940 --> 01:10:21,280
Um, here's another weird one.

1117
01:10:22,520 --> 01:10:23,420
Right in here.

1118
01:10:23,440 --> 01:10:28,700
Complex organic molecules, the very sort that you would want to have for the artificial planet.

1119
01:10:28,700 --> 01:10:29,060
What really?

1120
01:10:29,140 --> 01:10:29,740
What's that?

1121
01:10:31,820 --> 01:10:34,720
We see, uh, forming planetary systems.

1122
01:10:34,720 --> 01:10:35,480
It's everywhere.

1123
01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:36,520
There's one over here.

1124
01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:40,740
We know that the evolutionary process is nothing new to the Earth.

1125
01:10:41,020 --> 01:10:41,680
Look at this one.

1126
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:44,720
You see another light going by on the ground there?

1127
01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:46,960
He said, you see another light on the ground there?

1128
01:10:47,940 --> 01:10:49,100
It could have been a star, Bill.

1129
01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:51,200
And then he says it could have been a star.

1130
01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:53,080
It's...

1131
01:10:53,080 --> 01:10:53,620
Oh.

1132
01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:56,480
This is our famous tether.

1133
01:10:56,480 --> 01:10:59,480
As I know, some of you haven't seen this before.

1134
01:11:01,160 --> 01:11:01,880
So...

1135
01:11:01,880 --> 01:11:02,820
You guys getting the image?

1136
01:11:03,620 --> 01:11:03,940
Yeah.

1137
01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:11,860
Franklin, uh, we see a long line, a couple of star-like things, and a lot of things swimming in the foreground.

1138
01:11:12,100 --> 01:11:13,100
Can you describe what you're seeing?

1139
01:11:15,100 --> 01:11:21,620
Well, the long line is, uh, is a tether, um, and it's getting washed out, uh, quickly.

1140
01:11:21,620 --> 01:11:26,000
But, uh, the quad is trying to do a, uh, quick, uh, good job here adjusting the cameras.

1141
01:11:27,300 --> 01:11:28,160
No comment at all?

1142
01:11:28,160 --> 01:11:28,580
Copy that.

1143
01:11:28,580 --> 01:11:35,380
Again, uh, that description by the crew, this is, uh, the tether and the satellite.

1144
01:11:35,380 --> 01:11:40,800
Uh, the satellite with 12, approximately 12 miles of tether still attached to it.

1145
01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:49,180
Columbia and the satellite are now just passing over the west coast of northern Africa.

1146
01:11:49,180 --> 01:11:53,940
Uh, uh, the two spacecraft, uh, now 90 nautical miles apart.

1147
01:11:55,560 --> 01:11:56,620
That's a long way.

1148
01:11:56,820 --> 01:11:57,560
Yeah, not...

1149
01:11:57,560 --> 01:11:59,480
Columbia, Houston, that's a much better view.

1150
01:11:59,480 --> 01:12:01,760
Uh, a lot more contrast visible.

1151
01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:02,700
They like that one.

1152
01:12:02,940 --> 01:12:05,760
And how wide, uh, does that tether appear to be?

1153
01:12:05,860 --> 01:12:09,780
We, we, it seems to resemble a, a much wider strand than we'd expect.

1154
01:12:09,900 --> 01:12:13,300
Can you describe which way the, uh, the satellite is visible on that, uh, strand?

1155
01:12:15,060 --> 01:12:16,060
Satellite, uh, now.

1156
01:12:17,860 --> 01:12:18,840
Ladies and gentlemen, this is...

1157
01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:19,860
100 nautical miles.

1158
01:12:20,860 --> 01:12:23,740
Completely unzoomed, and, uh, you see the full extent of the tether.

1159
01:12:23,740 --> 01:12:27,740
Uh, I tried to adjust the focus, but I can't get better than that.

1160
01:12:27,880 --> 01:12:28,480
Okay, Claudine.

1161
01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:29,160
Thank you.

1162
01:12:29,180 --> 01:12:30,000
I'm going to zoom in now.

1163
01:12:30,300 --> 01:12:34,220
Wouldn't you say something about all those, rather than I've done the best I can at focusing?

1164
01:12:35,420 --> 01:12:38,700
Um, and so these are, I have a lot of tether shots.

1165
01:12:39,420 --> 01:12:40,780
And here's just another one.

1166
01:12:41,340 --> 01:12:46,460
This is a, a different, this is, this is a, uh, uh, I pulled this down, I don't know what it is.

1167
01:12:46,520 --> 01:12:48,640
It's a, but I noticed this.

1168
01:12:49,980 --> 01:12:52,540
As the stars move, something's...

1169
01:12:52,540 --> 01:12:53,620
Uh, and, uh...

1170
01:12:53,620 --> 01:12:54,480
The window shot.

1171
01:12:54,660 --> 01:12:56,580
We'd like to confirm you got two copies of that.

1172
01:13:00,180 --> 01:13:01,660
And the second one's pointing right now.

1173
01:13:01,660 --> 01:13:02,320
Did you tear everyone?

1174
01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:04,040
That's really good.

1175
01:13:06,060 --> 01:13:09,840
And this is the Earth the stars are over.

1176
01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:11,940
Or the ice crystals.

1177
01:13:13,480 --> 01:13:15,280
And this is the tether when it broke.

1178
01:13:15,820 --> 01:13:16,720
This is what they say.

1179
01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:18,320
This is the view of the satellite.

1180
01:13:18,460 --> 01:13:20,640
Well, if it had to break, it did it in the right place.

1181
01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:25,980
And the, the, the hundred million dollar satellite, that's that.

1182
01:13:28,100 --> 01:13:31,320
Uh, we got the downlink and we're looking.

1183
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:34,060
They're always looking, aren't they?

1184
01:13:34,060 --> 01:13:38,920
East, 8,600 objects larger than a grapefruit floating around in space.

1185
01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:43,260
And, um, so here's, here's just more, um, examples.

1186
01:13:43,980 --> 01:13:46,580
I mean, this is really, you should, you should just see this.

1187
01:13:46,580 --> 01:13:52,120
Track of them when objects deorbit and burn, and when they get close to manned space missions.

1188
01:13:52,120 --> 01:13:58,340
Mid-September, the cosmonauts and astronaut Michael Fole sealed themselves into the Mir's escape capsule

1189
01:13:58,340 --> 01:14:04,420
when a 220-pound U.S. military satellite came as close as a half mile.

1190
01:14:04,920 --> 01:14:07,880
Space junk regularly comes within a few miles of Mir.

1191
01:14:07,880 --> 01:14:15,920
In 80 missions, U.S. Space Command says U.S. space shuttles have had to maneuver seven times to avoid trackable junk.

1192
01:14:16,040 --> 01:14:17,860
We've seen more than seven examples of trackable junk.

1193
01:14:17,860 --> 01:14:18,600
Here, of course, is a collision.

1194
01:14:19,020 --> 01:14:23,840
To date, orbiting space junk has not hit a manned mission, but just last year,

1195
01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:32,180
a French satellite and a chunk of Ariane rocket the size of a computer hit each other at about 31,000 miles an hour.

1196
01:14:32,180 --> 01:14:39,200
It's estimated that there have been more than a hundred collisions between satellites and orbiting junk since 1961.

1197
01:14:39,900 --> 01:14:43,500
And each collision, of course, means even more space junk.

1198
01:14:43,580 --> 01:14:44,420
See, they panned down.

1199
01:14:44,420 --> 01:14:50,160
There may be more than two million screws, springs, and metal flecks too small to track.

1200
01:14:50,920 --> 01:14:54,080
And there are already stories of some of that small stuff hitting shuttles.

1201
01:14:54,220 --> 01:14:57,540
In 1983, a shuttle mission returned with a ding in the windshield,

1202
01:14:57,540 --> 01:15:02,940
the result of a tiny speck of paint traveling at about 18,000 miles per hour.

1203
01:15:02,940 --> 01:15:05,140
It's contradictory to say we're really worried about all this.

1204
01:15:05,200 --> 01:15:07,560
This process takes about two to three minutes.

1205
01:15:07,560 --> 01:15:08,220
And you've heard them.

1206
01:15:08,700 --> 01:15:14,680
As these hooks and latches provide the permanent seal between the docking.

1207
01:15:15,740 --> 01:15:16,800
Now, here's another sequence.

1208
01:15:18,380 --> 01:15:21,120
This is flared out right now, so they're going to adjust.

1209
01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:22,080
This is the mirror.

1210
01:15:24,340 --> 01:15:25,060
And look at these.

1211
01:15:25,060 --> 01:15:26,720
Low light level black and white cameras.

1212
01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:27,660
Here's another one of those.

1213
01:15:27,740 --> 01:15:28,900
Goes behind, comes out.

1214
01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:31,120
Much better at observing the Earth.

1215
01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:33,460
They're starting to become your friends.

1216
01:15:33,680 --> 01:15:34,620
You get used to them.

1217
01:15:34,860 --> 01:15:35,900
They look the same.

1218
01:15:37,720 --> 01:15:43,120
When the orbiter moves within a daylight pass, the color cameras in the payload are used to get down warm.

1219
01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:45,720
It's just an example of something floating out in space.

1220
01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:46,880
Here's a circular.

1221
01:15:47,500 --> 01:15:48,280
Very strange.

1222
01:15:48,340 --> 01:15:50,160
Interesting sights on the day side of the Earth.

1223
01:15:50,160 --> 01:15:51,280
It's a very interesting sight.

1224
01:15:52,180 --> 01:15:56,120
City lights very evident now as the orbiter, again, is tracking northeast.

1225
01:15:56,120 --> 01:15:57,220
So there's city lights.

1226
01:15:57,440 --> 01:16:00,080
With the payload bay pointed in the direction of travel.

1227
01:16:01,300 --> 01:16:02,940
So these city lights.

1228
01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:05,200
There's some cities that are floating around.

1229
01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:17,340
Working with the Hercules Inertial Measurement Unit camera, which pairs precise geolocating data with the images it records.

1230
01:16:17,340 --> 01:16:18,340
Look at this.

1231
01:16:18,340 --> 01:16:24,800
Meanwhile, Don Thomas working with some photo TV documentation of the activities on board.

1232
01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:25,820
Sort of zooming in.

1233
01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:26,560
Thank you.

1234
01:16:27,200 --> 01:16:28,880
So that proves that that is just a mark on there.

1235
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:30,340
And this is Mission Control Houston.

1236
01:16:30,500 --> 01:16:34,520
We're receiving live downlink television pictures from the payload bay cameras of Discovery.

1237
01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:39,540
When they move, it allows me to determine what is a mark in the city of Houston and what it's not.

1238
01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:45,400
Anyway, there's a lot of discoveries circling the Earth every 90 minutes.

1239
01:16:45,740 --> 01:16:46,580
Need a little more audio.

1240
01:16:46,660 --> 01:16:53,000
At an altitude of 193 statute miles, which is about 167 nautical miles.

1241
01:16:53,860 --> 01:16:55,160
And this is the Canada mark.

1242
01:16:55,160 --> 01:17:01,680
We're seeing a sunrise and sunset about every 45 minutes as the orbiter circles the Earth's 167 nautical miles.

1243
01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:02,800
So they're everywhere.

1244
01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:09,260
Like I would worry if debris was about to hit the satellite.

1245
01:17:11,400 --> 01:17:12,880
But nothing.

1246
01:17:13,860 --> 01:17:14,980
125 feet.

1247
01:17:16,480 --> 01:17:16,800
Roger.

1248
01:17:17,440 --> 01:17:18,900
See, just ignore it.

1249
01:17:23,020 --> 01:17:24,740
This is the satellite.

1250
01:17:25,160 --> 01:17:31,980
We're processing skills and those caused by fatigue.

1251
01:17:34,620 --> 01:17:38,880
The performance test that Commander Hendricks are performing.

1252
01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:45,420
Frequently noticed on shuttle flights and do not pose a hazard to the crew of a small size.

1253
01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:48,400
And this is what happens when it gets hit.

1254
01:17:49,880 --> 01:17:50,460
Go ahead, Michael.

1255
01:17:50,460 --> 01:17:50,900
The meteorite.

1256
01:17:50,900 --> 01:17:55,060
Traveling around the world at a speed of about 17,500 miles an hour.

1257
01:17:56,720 --> 01:18:00,820
The crew on board Columbia will perform a test of Star Tracker navigation.

1258
01:18:01,040 --> 01:18:11,900
That's using Star Tracker's sensors on the nose of the spacecraft to judge how those sensors are affected by the...

1259
01:18:11,900 --> 01:18:12,720
Copy, Taco.

1260
01:18:12,720 --> 01:18:13,360
Copy, Taco.

1261
01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:20,180
What we'd like you to do is to perform Block 5, Bravo, Step 1.

1262
01:18:22,040 --> 01:18:25,900
Houston, Columbia, you may have noticed how we did the camera seat tilt.

1263
01:18:25,900 --> 01:18:30,300
We aimed it at the portable cabinet, just a straight 90-degree up tilt.

1264
01:18:31,080 --> 01:18:38,680
So in this view, I believe wake shield would be the image to the right and wake...

1265
01:18:38,680 --> 01:18:39,360
That's wake shield.

1266
01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:41,080
...and Orpheus Fos would be the one to the left.

1267
01:18:41,640 --> 01:18:48,040
And out our window, as we're looking out the overhead window, 8, wake shield is high and Orpheus Fos is low.

1268
01:18:48,040 --> 01:18:50,500
Look at this.

1269
01:18:53,460 --> 01:18:58,620
Are these John Glenn's fireflies about to appear or what?

1270
01:19:02,300 --> 01:19:03,200
See it.

1271
01:19:03,320 --> 01:19:05,860
It's kind of stroving.

1272
01:19:06,860 --> 01:19:15,440
Cancel the spacewalks, but they are engaged in a data collection effort to take a look at the gearboxes on the hatches themselves.

1273
01:19:15,440 --> 01:19:18,020
Who's 40-degree bias attitude?

1274
01:19:20,520 --> 01:19:22,140
I'm just showing the whole stack.

1275
01:19:22,240 --> 01:19:23,280
It's probably 6 in the morning.

1276
01:19:23,400 --> 01:19:24,520
Roger, you're coming out of 16.

1277
01:19:25,640 --> 01:19:30,780
Everything they show, they're constantly trying to not show.

1278
01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:34,780
So right now, if the camera...

1279
01:19:35,440 --> 01:19:38,040
Oh, here's a color shot of something coming down.

1280
01:19:45,440 --> 01:19:48,560
And it's kind of rotating or twirling or something.

1281
01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:54,000
But it started out there.

1282
01:19:56,480 --> 01:19:58,320
So I left it on a little bit longer.

1283
01:19:58,320 --> 01:20:06,460
And I thought, well, you know, what's that?

1284
01:20:07,620 --> 01:20:08,400
What a day.

1285
01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:20,020
Now, this is when it's too bright.

1286
01:20:20,140 --> 01:20:22,280
These are lightning storms on the Earth.

1287
01:20:23,980 --> 01:20:25,280
Look, here's one kind.

1288
01:20:25,700 --> 01:20:27,140
There's a different kind.

1289
01:20:27,720 --> 01:20:28,900
Here's another kind.

1290
01:20:28,900 --> 01:20:32,500
These are the flashes of the lightning.

1291
01:20:32,660 --> 01:20:34,020
These look like they're going to crash.

1292
01:20:34,960 --> 01:20:35,240
Oops.

1293
01:20:35,740 --> 01:20:36,560
And then...

1294
01:20:36,560 --> 01:20:37,440
This is Mission Control.

1295
01:20:37,480 --> 01:20:40,900
This is the booster where the fuel is in.

1296
01:20:40,900 --> 01:20:42,120
Replay of the external tank.

1297
01:20:42,380 --> 01:20:43,020
Yeah, the fuel tank.

1298
01:20:43,100 --> 01:20:43,880
That's separated in.

1299
01:20:43,880 --> 01:20:50,520
And there's all kinds of really strange things, you know, moving around it.

1300
01:20:51,300 --> 01:20:53,240
Okay, we've got the downlink at this time.

1301
01:20:53,420 --> 01:20:54,240
And there's the ET.

1302
01:20:55,080 --> 01:20:56,080
He called it an ET.

1303
01:20:56,080 --> 01:20:57,520
It says, there's the ET.

1304
01:20:58,900 --> 01:21:08,140
Can you turn it up a bit, Russ?

1305
01:21:09,120 --> 01:21:11,640
Yeah, and here's another one there.

1306
01:21:12,160 --> 01:21:12,720
What happened?

1307
01:21:14,440 --> 01:21:15,260
Is that it?

1308
01:21:15,480 --> 01:21:15,720
Okay.

1309
01:21:16,860 --> 01:21:17,680
Could we move on to...

1310
01:21:17,680 --> 01:21:18,400
Oh, there's...

1311
01:21:18,400 --> 01:21:22,900
You know, thunderstorm activity during the night passes as well as...

1312
01:21:22,900 --> 01:21:23,880
Oh, no, there's a little more.

1313
01:21:23,960 --> 01:21:28,880
Other environmentally interesting targets of opportunity during the day pass.

1314
01:21:28,900 --> 01:21:32,240
I think that's...

1315
01:21:32,240 --> 01:21:39,140
Typically when the orbiter is on the dark side of the Earth, as it is now, at least for the next five to six minutes,

1316
01:21:39,140 --> 01:21:45,140
the low-light level black-and-white cameras are much better at observing...

1317
01:21:45,780 --> 01:21:46,900
Anyway, these things go on...

1318
01:21:46,900 --> 01:21:47,700
You can kill it, Russ.

1319
01:21:47,700 --> 01:21:50,520
...and the star clusters as the orbiter passes high overhead.

1320
01:21:50,520 --> 01:21:51,380
I have...

1321
01:21:51,380 --> 01:21:54,240
See, I didn't know how long we had.

1322
01:21:54,480 --> 01:21:59,000
There's another probably million trillion hours even on this stage.

1323
01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:01,340
Um, you said you've, uh...

1324
01:22:01,340 --> 01:22:01,620
Yes.

1325
01:22:02,340 --> 01:22:03,540
Thank you.

1326
01:22:03,540 --> 01:22:15,540
Now, um, I think I'm still...

1327
01:22:15,540 --> 01:22:16,160
Like, yeah.

1328
01:22:16,840 --> 01:22:17,700
You've got to boom a little bit.

1329
01:22:17,700 --> 01:22:21,040
Before I, uh, introduce, uh...

1330
01:22:21,040 --> 01:22:27,920
Les Willi, you said that you've put a compilation of clips together to music.

1331
01:22:27,920 --> 01:22:28,220
Yes.

1332
01:22:28,220 --> 01:22:29,040
I'm looking at the time.

1333
01:22:29,040 --> 01:22:32,240
If we have to go slightly over six o'clock, it's all right.

1334
01:22:32,240 --> 01:22:33,920
I can bribe the security guard.

1335
01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:36,220
But, uh, how long did you say this takes room for?

1336
01:22:36,220 --> 01:22:37,440
Well, it can run...

1337
01:22:37,440 --> 01:22:41,720
We can run it just until we feel we've got the feel for it.

1338
01:22:41,720 --> 01:22:42,020
Yeah.

1339
01:22:42,020 --> 01:22:44,020
Because what I've done is...

1340
01:22:44,020 --> 01:22:52,300
This is the second space phenomena that appears in these, uh, really one-sixtieth of a second.

1341
01:22:52,840 --> 01:22:58,060
So I would grab them and slam them together and put some music behind it.

1342
01:22:58,060 --> 01:22:59,780
And if we could drop the lights and just let it go.

1343
01:22:59,780 --> 01:23:02,520
Okay, let's see what you've done with second space phenomena.

1344
01:23:02,640 --> 01:23:03,340
Yeah, let's...

1345
01:23:03,340 --> 01:23:05,480
I don't know what I've done with it.

1346
01:23:06,220 --> 01:23:10,060
Now, this is black and white, and you see them...

1347
01:23:10,060 --> 01:23:11,060
Can you hear music?

1348
01:23:14,060 --> 01:23:17,560
And if you see, when you're stripping frames, it's hard.

1349
01:23:17,560 --> 01:23:18,400
But this is...

1350
01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:21,060
I started off, and it's in black and white.

1351
01:23:22,060 --> 01:23:24,400
And each one of these is one-sixtieth of a second.

1352
01:23:24,940 --> 01:23:28,000
So the only way to really show them is to just cut between them.

1353
01:23:28,900 --> 01:23:29,780
A little more.

1354
01:23:36,220 --> 01:23:37,520
Color.

1355
01:23:37,520 --> 01:23:38,160
Self-luminous.

1356
01:23:38,160 --> 01:23:42,060
And they dance.

1357
01:23:42,060 --> 01:23:43,320
This is from all kinds of flights.

1358
01:23:43,320 --> 01:23:44,400
And they dance.

1359
01:23:44,400 --> 01:23:47,300
And this is from all kinds of flights.

1360
01:23:47,300 --> 01:23:52,300
and they dance, and this is from all kinds of flights.

1361
01:24:06,200 --> 01:24:07,980
See, sometimes you get them streaking,

1362
01:24:07,980 --> 01:24:11,500
and sometimes they're round, and.

1363
01:24:13,840 --> 01:24:16,120
All right, now let me play sin into you.

1364
01:24:16,120 --> 01:24:16,960
Uh-huh.

1365
01:24:18,440 --> 01:24:20,080
Well, I'm not saying what they are, so.

1366
01:24:20,080 --> 01:24:22,120
No, no, absolutely not.

1367
01:24:22,120 --> 01:24:23,520
But they're self-illuminating.

1368
01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:24,520
Yes.

1369
01:24:25,520 --> 01:24:27,120
So in order to be self-illuminating,

1370
01:24:27,120 --> 01:24:29,760
let's say, for instance, if we look at meteors,

1371
01:24:29,760 --> 01:24:32,560
that can only happen as they're penetrating

1372
01:24:32,560 --> 01:24:35,020
the Earth's atmosphere correct.

1373
01:24:35,020 --> 01:24:37,360
So we shouldn't be seeing this, should we?

1374
01:24:37,360 --> 01:24:40,140
No, absolutely.

1375
01:24:40,140 --> 01:24:43,500
In fact, like I say, it's the only way to show you.

1376
01:24:43,500 --> 01:24:45,480
I mean, otherwise you can't see them.

1377
01:24:45,480 --> 01:24:49,440
They're invisible, and that's why CNN didn't see them.

1378
01:24:49,440 --> 01:24:53,400
And would it be fair to say that your average astronomer,

1379
01:24:53,400 --> 01:24:55,400
or your average scientist,

1380
01:24:55,400 --> 01:24:59,400
would even know what an SVHS machine would look like?

1381
01:24:59,400 --> 01:25:03,400
Uh, it's a VHS machine called a Super VHS,

1382
01:25:03,400 --> 01:25:07,360
because it gives them more lines.

1383
01:25:07,360 --> 01:25:10,360
How many astronomers or scientists use it?

1384
01:25:10,360 --> 01:25:12,360
Well, they're all over North America.

1385
01:25:12,360 --> 01:25:13,360
Yeah.

1386
01:25:13,360 --> 01:25:14,360
Yeah.

1387
01:25:14,360 --> 01:25:18,320
And they see that just, as the satellite slowly moves down.

1388
01:25:18,320 --> 01:25:20,320
And, um...

1389
01:25:20,320 --> 01:25:25,320
So, when Professor Weinberg saw this...

1390
01:25:25,320 --> 01:25:26,320
Yeah.

1391
01:25:26,320 --> 01:25:28,320
Well, his reaction was what?

1392
01:25:28,320 --> 01:25:32,320
Well, his reaction was to take the control out of my hands

1393
01:25:32,320 --> 01:25:34,320
and start catching them.

1394
01:25:34,320 --> 01:25:38,280
I've just tried to show you that there isn't a...

1395
01:25:38,280 --> 01:25:39,280
They're everywhere.

1396
01:25:39,280 --> 01:25:41,280
This is them bringing a satellite in,

1397
01:25:41,280 --> 01:25:42,280
and these just dance.

1398
01:25:42,280 --> 01:25:44,280
They go blue, red...

1399
01:25:46,280 --> 01:25:48,280
And, um...

1400
01:25:50,280 --> 01:25:54,280
This is that NTSC problem where you convert all the colors,

1401
01:25:54,280 --> 01:25:56,280
sort of weirdness, but...

1402
01:25:56,280 --> 01:25:57,320
But I love...

1403
01:25:57,320 --> 01:25:58,240
I mean, they're blue.

1404
01:25:58,240 --> 01:25:59,240
Red.

1405
01:25:59,240 --> 01:26:00,240
Orange.

1406
01:26:00,240 --> 01:26:02,240
And, um...

1407
01:26:05,240 --> 01:26:07,240
And sometimes you get them big better,

1408
01:26:07,240 --> 01:26:08,240
and sometimes you don't.

1409
01:26:08,240 --> 01:26:10,240
And it's hard for me at...

1410
01:26:10,240 --> 01:26:11,240
This was, what, at 7 a.m.

1411
01:26:11,240 --> 01:26:12,240
Were you getting up about that?

1412
01:26:12,240 --> 01:26:13,240
Yeah, probably.

1413
01:26:13,240 --> 01:26:15,240
When you were just doing that.

1414
01:26:18,240 --> 01:26:20,240
A little more music, huh?

1415
01:26:20,240 --> 01:26:37,200
No, this is, this is...

1416
01:26:37,200 --> 01:26:40,200
They're actually jumping around really close here.

1417
01:26:40,200 --> 01:26:55,160
But if you looked at the footage in real time,

1418
01:26:55,160 --> 01:26:56,160
you wouldn't see them.

1419
01:26:56,160 --> 01:26:58,160
You don't see them.

1420
01:26:58,160 --> 01:27:01,160
Unless you, sort of, have an editor's eye.

1421
01:27:05,160 --> 01:27:07,160
So we're seeing all the colors of the rainbow essentially.

1422
01:27:07,160 --> 01:27:08,160
Yeah, and...

1423
01:27:08,160 --> 01:27:09,160
And, and...

1424
01:27:09,160 --> 01:27:10,160
And they can...

1425
01:27:10,160 --> 01:27:12,120
More colorful actually as it goes on.

1426
01:27:12,120 --> 01:27:14,120
I just took them at random.

1427
01:27:32,120 --> 01:27:33,120
And, um...

1428
01:27:33,120 --> 01:27:37,120
If anybody, you know, has any idea what these are,

1429
01:27:37,120 --> 01:27:39,080
there are scientists who would like to know.

1430
01:27:39,080 --> 01:27:43,080
Anyway, I'm apparently being given credit for discovering

1431
01:27:43,080 --> 01:27:45,080
gamma rays when a hundred million dollar

1432
01:27:45,080 --> 01:27:49,080
gamma ray observatory up there couldn't.

1433
01:27:49,080 --> 01:27:52,080
As you see, it's very dark.

1434
01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:54,080
This is the earth.

1435
01:27:54,080 --> 01:27:56,080
And this is what they call the,

1436
01:27:56,080 --> 01:27:58,080
the, um, earth glow.

1437
01:27:58,080 --> 01:27:59,080
The, um...

1438
01:27:59,080 --> 01:28:01,080
And as you can see, they don't, they don't,

1439
01:28:01,080 --> 01:28:03,040
they're not reflecting any light.

1440
01:28:03,040 --> 01:28:04,040
There is no light.

1441
01:28:11,040 --> 01:28:12,040
Now, here they are again.

1442
01:28:12,040 --> 01:28:13,040
It just doesn't matter where you go,

1443
01:28:13,040 --> 01:28:15,040
what you show me or give me.

1444
01:28:15,040 --> 01:28:16,040
I can find them.

1445
01:28:18,040 --> 01:28:19,040
And they just...

1446
01:28:20,040 --> 01:28:21,040
And they jump.

1447
01:28:21,040 --> 01:28:22,040
That's what's really interesting.

1448
01:28:22,040 --> 01:28:24,000
Where do they go when they're...

1449
01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:42,000
And my favorite are the blues.

1450
01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:54,960
See, I'm sure you're...

1451
01:28:54,960 --> 01:28:55,960
There's a satellite.

1452
01:28:55,960 --> 01:28:58,960
I'm sure your eyes are now beginning to recognize them.

1453
01:28:58,960 --> 01:28:59,960
It's the only way.

1454
01:28:59,960 --> 01:29:00,960
You just gotta watch them a lot,

1455
01:29:00,960 --> 01:29:03,960
and then you'll start to see similar things.

1456
01:29:03,960 --> 01:29:09,920
And they seem to be very interested in satellites,

1457
01:29:09,920 --> 01:29:11,920
and when the arm is moving,

1458
01:29:11,920 --> 01:29:13,920
and when the doors are open, and...

1459
01:29:13,920 --> 01:29:15,920
Near Earth object.

1460
01:29:19,920 --> 01:29:21,920
So, these are on top of the spheres.

1461
01:29:21,920 --> 01:29:23,920
In other words, the spheres are there too,

1462
01:29:23,920 --> 01:29:24,920
as well as these.

1463
01:29:25,920 --> 01:29:28,920
And so I just tried to keep the ones with the spheres out

1464
01:29:28,920 --> 01:29:29,920
so you could see this.

1465
01:29:29,920 --> 01:29:32,920
But there, I've got them with both phenomena going on.

1466
01:29:32,920 --> 01:29:33,880
Phenomenal going on.

1467
01:29:33,880 --> 01:29:34,880
Meteorites...

1468
01:29:34,880 --> 01:29:35,880
And...

1469
01:29:35,880 --> 01:29:38,880
See, as it gets darker, there's still...

1470
01:29:38,880 --> 01:29:43,880
You can see a meteorite almost any night.

1471
01:29:43,880 --> 01:29:45,880
Go out to the desert.

1472
01:29:45,880 --> 01:29:46,880
Yes.

1473
01:29:46,880 --> 01:29:47,880
You might find a peace.

1474
01:29:47,880 --> 01:29:49,880
There are pieces of stars,

1475
01:29:49,880 --> 01:29:52,880
same as you and me.

1476
01:29:55,880 --> 01:29:56,880
They have a...

1477
01:29:56,880 --> 01:29:57,880
Look over the Earth.

1478
01:29:57,880 --> 01:29:58,880
Just anywhere.

1479
01:29:58,880 --> 01:29:59,880
Yes.

1480
01:29:59,880 --> 01:30:09,840
And I'm just trying to give you an illustration here of...

1481
01:30:09,840 --> 01:30:10,840
Of...

1482
01:30:10,840 --> 01:30:11,840
Of...

1483
01:30:11,840 --> 01:30:12,840
Just...

1484
01:30:12,840 --> 01:30:13,840
You know...

1485
01:30:13,840 --> 01:30:15,840
Everywhere they are.

1486
01:30:15,840 --> 01:30:17,840
This is the...

1487
01:30:17,840 --> 01:30:18,840
The Earth.

1488
01:30:18,840 --> 01:30:19,840
And they're...

1489
01:30:19,840 --> 01:30:21,840
They're always there.

1490
01:30:21,840 --> 01:30:23,800
They're always there.

1491
01:30:23,800 --> 01:30:24,800
And...

1492
01:30:33,800 --> 01:30:35,800
This is the Earth, the air glow.

1493
01:30:35,800 --> 01:30:36,800
And they go on both.

1494
01:30:36,800 --> 01:30:37,800
So they're close.

1495
01:30:37,800 --> 01:30:38,800
Yeah.

1496
01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:39,800
Yeah.

1497
01:30:39,800 --> 01:30:40,800
They're close.

1498
01:30:40,800 --> 01:30:42,800
So in other words, when...

1499
01:30:42,800 --> 01:30:45,800
When people ask you to produce the...

1500
01:30:45,800 --> 01:30:47,800
Examples of this phenomena...

1501
01:30:47,800 --> 01:30:48,800
Yeah.

1502
01:30:48,800 --> 01:30:52,760
Which nobody's been able to even guesstimate what it may be.

1503
01:30:52,760 --> 01:30:53,760
No.

1504
01:30:53,760 --> 01:30:55,760
In fact, the skeptics are duking it out.

1505
01:30:55,760 --> 01:30:56,760
I know.

1506
01:30:56,760 --> 01:30:57,760
But...

1507
01:30:57,760 --> 01:30:58,760
Because they don't want to give me the gamma.

1508
01:30:58,760 --> 01:31:01,760
Would it be fair to say you can produce hundreds or thousands?

1509
01:31:01,760 --> 01:31:02,760
A thousand.

1510
01:31:02,760 --> 01:31:03,760
If you can...

1511
01:31:03,760 --> 01:31:04,760
Like...

1512
01:31:04,760 --> 01:31:05,760
In other words...

1513
01:31:05,760 --> 01:31:07,760
They're on every single thing.

1514
01:31:07,760 --> 01:31:10,760
And I don't know if Graham's going to let us go that far,

1515
01:31:10,760 --> 01:31:13,720
the CNN thing is on the smoking gun as well.

1516
01:31:13,720 --> 01:31:14,720
And you can see...

1517
01:31:14,720 --> 01:31:15,720
Yeah.

1518
01:31:15,720 --> 01:31:16,720
If I can even pull them off of CNN...

1519
01:31:16,720 --> 01:31:17,720
Yeah.

1520
01:31:17,720 --> 01:31:18,720
And...

1521
01:31:18,720 --> 01:31:19,720
Yeah.

1522
01:31:19,720 --> 01:31:20,720
I think if we can cut the videos for now...

1523
01:31:20,720 --> 01:31:21,720
Yeah, we can kill it now.

1524
01:31:21,720 --> 01:31:22,720
Ladies and gentlemen, I...

1525
01:31:22,720 --> 01:31:25,720
I hope you got a good idea of this.

1526
01:31:25,720 --> 01:31:26,720
Okay.

1527
01:31:26,720 --> 01:31:27,720
Now...

1528
01:31:27,720 --> 01:31:28,720
The...

1529
01:31:28,720 --> 01:31:31,720
And if we can get Willie's first taping...

1530
01:31:31,720 --> 01:31:34,720
Leslie Willie's first taping, I beg your pardon.

1531
01:31:34,720 --> 01:31:35,720
Um...

1532
01:31:35,720 --> 01:31:38,720
Question is now, of course...

1533
01:31:38,720 --> 01:31:39,720
Yeah.

1534
01:31:39,720 --> 01:31:41,680
Where do we go with this?

1535
01:31:41,680 --> 01:31:44,680
Because you've got plans with people in Canada.

1536
01:31:44,680 --> 01:31:45,680
Yes.

1537
01:31:45,680 --> 01:31:46,680
I do.

1538
01:31:46,680 --> 01:31:47,680
To develop this.

1539
01:31:47,680 --> 01:31:48,680
Do you want to share that with us?

1540
01:31:48,680 --> 01:31:49,680
With the audience?

1541
01:31:49,680 --> 01:31:50,680
Um...

1542
01:31:50,680 --> 01:31:51,680
Yeah, there's a...

1543
01:31:51,680 --> 01:31:54,680
A film company wants to option it.

1544
01:31:54,680 --> 01:31:58,680
But the problem with that is once they option it, no one else can have it.

1545
01:31:58,680 --> 01:31:59,680
Um...

1546
01:31:59,680 --> 01:32:00,680
There's a program...

1547
01:32:00,680 --> 01:32:01,680
Um...

1548
01:32:01,680 --> 01:32:06,680
The Lone Gunmen, which were the X-Files geeks, I guess you call them,

1549
01:32:06,680 --> 01:32:07,640
uh...

1550
01:32:07,640 --> 01:32:09,640
Have their own show this year in the States and Canada.

1551
01:32:09,640 --> 01:32:11,640
A weekly show and...

1552
01:32:11,640 --> 01:32:12,640
They...

1553
01:32:12,640 --> 01:32:13,640
They've got the idea...

1554
01:32:13,640 --> 01:32:14,640
I hired for...

1555
01:32:14,640 --> 01:32:15,640
Uh...

1556
01:32:15,640 --> 01:32:16,640
Uh...

1557
01:32:16,640 --> 01:32:17,600
Uh...

1558
01:32:17,600 --> 01:32:18,600
Uh...

1559
01:32:18,600 --> 01:32:19,600
Uh...

1560
01:32:19,600 --> 01:32:20,600
Uh...

1561
01:32:20,600 --> 01:32:21,600
Uh...

1562
01:32:21,600 --> 01:32:24,560
The fellow with the long blonde hair and the glasses and...

1563
01:32:24,560 --> 01:32:27,560
They're thinking one of them would be the guy who discovers it.

1564
01:32:27,560 --> 01:32:29,560
Use this real video.

1565
01:32:29,560 --> 01:32:33,560
Because the whole thing is actually going to be more unopened files than it is,

1566
01:32:33,560 --> 01:32:35,560
you know, Molly Scully stuff.

1567
01:32:35,560 --> 01:32:36,560
You know, so...

1568
01:32:36,560 --> 01:32:37,560
Uh...

1569
01:32:37,560 --> 01:32:38,560
So they're interested.

1570
01:32:38,560 --> 01:32:39,560
And, um...

1571
01:32:39,560 --> 01:32:40,560
Yeah.

1572
01:32:40,560 --> 01:32:41,560
I...

1573
01:32:41,560 --> 01:32:42,520
In fact, there's all kinds of...

1574
01:32:42,520 --> 01:32:47,520
Fox TV, Bob Kavit apologized for, um...

1575
01:32:47,520 --> 01:32:51,520
Being really mean and stealing the video and, you know, trying to pull it off.

1576
01:32:51,520 --> 01:32:53,520
What happened was they got 20 million viewers.

1577
01:32:53,520 --> 01:32:56,520
And it was all just for this shuttle thing.

1578
01:32:56,520 --> 01:32:57,520
And...

1579
01:32:57,520 --> 01:32:59,520
And so he calls me up and he says,

1580
01:32:59,520 --> 01:33:00,520
My...

1581
01:33:00,520 --> 01:33:02,520
God, we didn't get that other one.

1582
01:33:02,520 --> 01:33:03,520
Phenomena 2.

1583
01:33:03,520 --> 01:33:05,520
And we love you, Martin.

1584
01:33:05,520 --> 01:33:06,520
We love you, don't we, guys?

1585
01:33:06,520 --> 01:33:08,520
You know, it was a typical Hollywood thing.

1586
01:33:08,520 --> 01:33:10,520
And I just said, I...

1587
01:33:10,520 --> 01:33:11,520
No hard feelings.

1588
01:33:11,520 --> 01:33:13,520
And he says, uh, we...

1589
01:33:13,520 --> 01:33:15,520
The other shows now allowed us to...

1590
01:33:15,520 --> 01:33:17,520
We've got the go from Fox.

1591
01:33:17,520 --> 01:33:19,520
And we're going to produce this series.

1592
01:33:19,520 --> 01:33:22,520
And the first show we're going to do this Phenomena 2.

1593
01:33:22,520 --> 01:33:25,520
And when you get back from Leeds, you know, we'll call you.

1594
01:33:25,520 --> 01:33:26,520
All that kind of stuff.

1595
01:33:26,520 --> 01:33:30,520
And then I wanted to see if all the other producers were there.

1596
01:33:30,520 --> 01:33:33,520
And I said hello to David or whatever.

1597
01:33:33,520 --> 01:33:34,520
And in the background you're...

1598
01:33:34,520 --> 01:33:35,520
Hi.

1599
01:33:35,520 --> 01:33:37,520
You know, the speakerphone.

1600
01:33:37,520 --> 01:33:38,520
You know, the whole deal.

1601
01:33:38,520 --> 01:33:39,520
Yeah.

1602
01:33:39,520 --> 01:33:40,520
And so...

1603
01:33:40,520 --> 01:33:41,520
And it goes on.

1604
01:33:41,520 --> 01:33:42,520
It goes on, and...

1605
01:33:42,520 --> 01:33:48,520
I don't know who to give it to or what to do with it or whether to put it on the TV show

1606
01:33:48,520 --> 01:33:49,520
or...

1607
01:33:49,520 --> 01:33:57,520
But in North America, this has, especially the first phenomena, has the same value as the elves

1608
01:33:57,520 --> 01:33:59,520
and sprites and things like that.

1609
01:33:59,520 --> 01:34:02,520
And it's the same as Lou Franks.

1610
01:34:02,520 --> 01:34:03,520
It...

1611
01:34:03,520 --> 01:34:04,520
That's their video.

1612
01:34:04,520 --> 01:34:05,520
That's their cameras.

1613
01:34:05,520 --> 01:34:08,520
It has nothing to do with me.

1614
01:34:08,520 --> 01:34:17,520
And all I am is just some guy in a community station with a bunch of broken down VTRs and tapes that are supposed to be worn out.

1615
01:34:17,520 --> 01:34:19,520
And a dish.

1616
01:34:19,520 --> 01:34:22,520
Anybody here can do it.

1617
01:34:22,520 --> 01:34:41,520
And I was happy to find out that when I was exhausted and couldn't do it anymore, that Graham had come into contact with the next guest who I've never met before until this conference, never talked to before or anything.

1618
01:34:41,520 --> 01:34:42,520
Hmm.

1619
01:34:42,520 --> 01:34:43,520
And...

1620
01:34:43,520 --> 01:34:44,520
And we go on from there.

1621
01:34:44,520 --> 01:34:46,520
And he picked it up right when I left off.

1622
01:34:46,520 --> 01:34:47,520
It's all...

1623
01:34:47,520 --> 01:34:48,520
You know, it's almost in the stars.

1624
01:34:48,520 --> 01:34:49,520
Okay.

1625
01:34:49,520 --> 01:34:50,520
Yeah.

1626
01:34:50,520 --> 01:34:52,520
For the time being, Martin Stubbs, thank you very much.

1627
01:35:11,520 --> 01:35:16,520
I see you on the other side.

1628
01:35:17,020 --> 01:35:19,980
And I think it's lovely, so you can subscribe.

1629
01:35:21,520 --> 01:35:24,520
Thank you.

1630
01:35:24,520 --> 01:35:25,520
And let's see, wait.

1631
01:35:26,520 --> 01:35:27,520
hi going.

1632
01:35:27,520 --> 01:35:28,520
Let's see.

1633
01:35:31,520 --> 01:35:32,280
warm.