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Hello and welcome to today's press conference and dialogue with former National Security Agency Technical Director Bill Biny.

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Executive Intelligence Review, which is partially sponsoring this, is a magazine found by the Economist and States of the Land of the Rousseau 1974,

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and continually published for 46 years. The Schiller Institute is an international human rights organization,

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founded by Helges App L'Abruch in 1984. This recently held several conferences devoted to the convening of a conference,

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a summit conference, among particularly Russia, the United States and China, in order to address the

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multiple connected crises now confronting the world from pandemic disease to famine to war,

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and also the increasing threat of global warfare possibly through strategic muscalculation.

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So we're happy to have convened today's conference. That last matter, the matter of the

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danger of war is a particular note. And we are here to talk about something specific and it is this.

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If it were shown using competent forensic methods, that there is no actual proof of Russian

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interference in the 2016 elections by means of a Russian computer hack of the Democratic National Committee.

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If it were shown that it has always been noble to the intelligence agencies of the United States and

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of Great Britain that no such hack ever occurred. And if it were shown that, though there was a request

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by the President of the United States to have the analysts that have successfully

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refuted that Russian hack story be interviewed, that there evidence then be presented to the

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President and that that evidence if proven true be presented to the American people for their evaluation,

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so that justice could be done, though the heavens fall. If that directive were not carried out,

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would that defiance of such a presidential directive in the pursuit of the truth constitute a

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crime against the United States, a crime against the nation of Russia, and against the pursuit of

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world peace and the avoidance of war. Remember these words from January 28th, 2003,

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the British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities

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of uranium from Africa. War with Iraq ensued with well over half a million deaths

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was it true? British intelligence has now four years in the person of Christopher Steele and several

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others, including Sir Richard Deerloven others who have backed his charges at one point,

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insisted that Russia hacked a DNC. What is supposed to ensue from that charge? What is the President

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of the United States being requested to do if that charge were to stand? William Beniz team has

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demonstrated that what has been said to have occurred, the so-called Russian hack, could not physically

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have happened. His 30 years of work at the National Security Agency, his service to his country,

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has been in the interest of protecting not only American lives, but in so doing, protecting the

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lives of people all over the world. He wanted to deliver a message to the President and the

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American people because that's his job. He was prevented from doing so. We are all assembled here

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today to give a good American an opportunity that should no longer be delayed because just this

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too long delayed is just this denied. It's my pleasure to introduce a truly good American with a

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story to tell you, William Beniz. Thank you, Dennis. Thanks to having me here.

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Basically, the problem is that I can't seem to get the forensic evidence into a court or up

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into the mainstream of evidence for refuting Russia gig. The point is that we looked at

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the veterans and intelligence professionals for sanity. We have a bunch of technical people including

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Kirk, we have been in and some others. Some affiliates that were in the UK who also joined the

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analysis process. We were looking at the files posted by WikiLeaks because the

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allegations from the beginning is that Russia hacked the DNC and gave the emails to WikiLeaks to

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publish. We looked at the emails to see if there was something there that might give us some

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idea of how WikiLeaks got that data. In all the 35,813 emails that they posted in three batches,

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one downloaded according to last modified times on the 23rd of May and another on the 25th of May

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and one on the 26th of August of 2016. All those files, all 35,813 had a last modified time

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that was rounded off to the last E2 and even second. They all ended up in even seconds.

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If you know anything about data processing and data storage and things that night,

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there is a program that was quite common in the past using what's called that file formatting,

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file allocation table formatting, which is a process that when doing a batch process of data and

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transferring it to a storage device like a thumb drive or CD ROM, it rounds off the last modified

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time to the nearest E2. That's exactly the property we found in all that data posted by WikiLeaks.

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That said, very simply, this data was downloaded to a storage device, a CD ROM or a thumb drive

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and physically transported before WikiLeaks could post it. That meant it was not a hack.

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In all of that, how you look at it, we're looking at the forensic evidence that says the DNC

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emails were not hacked, they were downloaded and physically transported to WikiLeaks.

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Then we had the other issue with Gooseford II. Gooseford II came out shortly after Julian

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Sons down, that he had emails on the Hillary Clinton and Sons and the DNC. When you looked at

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the material that looked at all the material that Gooseford II posted and said, here are the

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hacks that I did on the DNC. He claimed he did one on the fifth of July and one on the first

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of September of 2016. When you started looking at that, and we looked at the files he posted

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gave you a series of files with file names, the numbers of characters in the file and a timestamp

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at the end of the file. Then the next file, number of characters and timestamp and so on for

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I don't know how many files, thousands of files. We looked at all of those files and said,

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okay, we ran a program to calculate the transfer rate of all that data because all you have to do

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is look at between the two timestamps, the file name and the number of characters in the

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file and take the difference between the times and that's the transfer rate for that's number of characters.

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So we found that the variations ran from something like 19 to 49.1 megabytes per second.

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Now that means, for 19 to 49 million characters per second. That we said the international web

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and the web would not support that rate of transfer. Not for anybody who's just a hacker coming

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in across the net trying to do it, they won't support that kind of transfer. And some people thought

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we couldn't, that was wrong, that it could be done. And so we said, okay, we're going to try it.

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So we got to organize some hackers in the Europe to try to transfer a data set from the U.S.

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over to Europe just to see how fast we could get it there. We tried it from Albanian and Serbia a

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couple places in the Netherlands and London data center. Well, we got various rates, but the

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highest rate we got was the between the data center and New Jersey and one in New and London.

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And that was 49.1 megabytes per second. 12 megabytes per second, which is one fourth the rate,

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little less than one fourth the rate necessary to do the transfer at the highest rate that we saw

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in the Goosefort 2 data, which meant it didn't go across the net. So in fact, the file rate

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transfers couldn't, we're nowhere near the the the maximum rate that we could do. And so we

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said, okay, if anybody has a way of getting it there, let us know and we'll help you try to get to do that.

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And so far, no one has ever come forward to to dispute either the facts on the DNC data,

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last file modified file times nor the transfer rates for the Goosefort 2. Plus, there's another

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with Goosefort 2. There's two, actually, two more. For the Goosefort 2 data,

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the first of the five July data and the one September data, if you ignored data and hour,

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they could merge like you're shuffling a deck of cards. The holes in the five July data timing

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were filled by data from the first to September. That said, to us, that Goosefort 2 was playing

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with the data, separating in the two files saying he made two different hacks and doing a range

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change on the date and the hour on the one file. So that to us was also an indication of fabrication

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on the part of Goosefort 2. Then there was another factor when Goosefort 2 put out some

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fun files on 15 June of 2016 with the signatures of Russian saying it's a Russian hack.

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Our fellows in the UK looking at the data found five of those files that at a minimum,

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having no other that is through yet looking. But they found five files that Goosefort 2 posted on

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the 15th of June with Russian signatures saying the Russians did this because of the signature.

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They found the same five files posted by WikiLeaks from a Podesta e-mails and they did not have

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the Russian signatures. So that meant Goosefort 2 was inserting Russian signatures to make it look like

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the Russians did the hack. Well, if you go back to the Bolt 7 release from WikiLeaks again from CIA

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and you look they have this marble framework program that will modify files to look like someone

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else did the hack and who were the countries that they had the ability to do that. And in the

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marble framework program, well, on Russia the other was China, North Korea, Iran and

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Arab countries. Well, to us then that means that the fabrication of the insert of Russian

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signatures means that somebody modified the file and made it look like it was fits the

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marble framework definition of doing that kind of activity which does says all of this Goosefort

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two materials pointing back now to CIA is the origin of it. That's the basic evidence we have

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and none of it points to Russia. In fact we can't even find anything to point to Russia.

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When in fact the Mueller indictment or the Mueller report and that Rosenstein indictment named

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some what they called trolls for the Russian government the IRA the internet research agency

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out of St. Peter's Bergen Russia they named it an accord document and well the IRA over and

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there said we are no way near it we are not in any way associated with the Russian government. So they

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sent lawyers into challenge that an accord of law here in the US and the court charged the government

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to prove it and they couldn't they couldn't even prove anything. And so the judge basically

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reprimanded them and said you were never to mention the IRA is anyway affiliated with the Russian

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government again. So their whole case was falling apart. Everything looked like the Roots of Two

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Adaito was a fabrication the alleged hack and so on all all fabrications fabrication and even if

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you look at some of the testimony that came out from the Crowds strike CEO I think the name was Sean Henry.

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He said we had no we couldn't had no indications of the ex-filtrating the data but we had evidence

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that it was ex-filtrated. Now if he's talking about the last modified times as an indication of

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ex-filtration which it was but it wasn't from a hack it was from a download. So that download then

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it's an indication that it was done locally as as as were the the Goose Retudated that couldn't go

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across the net was a download locally all that stuff happened locally. In fact some of the data

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and the Goose Retudimaterial had all the timestamps indicating it was done on the East Coast to the

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United States we had one in Central Time and one on the West Coast but most of them fell on the East

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coast. So it implied that all this stuff was happening on the East Coast and that really pointed

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for us pointed right back at CIA as the origin of all this fabrication.

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Okay thank you very much Bill and so everybody knows I know we've already gotten various

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requests for questions there is going to be a time for people to ask questions and we'll

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extend that as long as we can do that in this format. I next want to introduce Barbara Boyd who's

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author and researcher for the Rousseff Political Action Committee say something about this.

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37 years ago, Linda LaRouche was involved in a back channel negotiation with the Soviet Union.

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The discussion led to a policy being adopted by the Reagan administration called the Strategic

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Defense Initiative. Now despite the fact that the senior director of the National Security Council

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Norman Bailey at that time had met with a Rousseff and had described the Rousseff's organization

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as one of the best private and intelligent services in the world shortly after that policy was

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adopted. LaRouche was put through a fierce federal investigative process by the same just the

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Department of Justice and U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark described that prosecution as a

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broader range of deliberate and systematic misconduct and abuse of power over a long

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period of time in an effort to destroy a political movement and leader than any other federal

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prosecution in my time or to my knowledge. Now that might not be pertinent to you today except

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for one fact. One of the key persons involved in that prosecution at that time was a man

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by the name of Robert Mueller. Barbara Boyd is an author of a document called Robert Mueller

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is an Amaril Leal Assassin. He will do his job if you let him.

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Barbara. Well with that introduction, let me just highlight some of the things Bill said and some of the

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things which I think are really significant for our audience today. Here we are in this summer which

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we call our summer the summer of our discontent so to speak. Our cities are flam. We have a

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COVID crisis a pandemic and yet here we are and we keep coming back to something which happened in the

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summer of 2016 and we keep pointing to it and saying this is what you have to really look at.

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And the reason for that is simple. Once you go through something like this I assume the general

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Flynn feels something like this right now. The LaRouche prosecution was like this. Roger Stone

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has just been something through something like this where the apparatus of government is

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aligned against you and your reputation is torn to shreds and your accused of all sorts of

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things just like the president has been accused right now which are a lie. It's very rare that you

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actually get the chance to come back on it and you actually can dissect it and show what the lie is

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and this particular lie that Russia hacked the DNC has been the sort of untouchable thing which

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nobody has wanted to actually get into around the reciprocate sort of investigation. You see that we're

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all satisfied with tearing apart Christopher Steel, the British agent who fabricated the dirty

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dossier in several directions were not really satisfied at looking at this particular situation.

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Just think about it all the things that have interceded ever since the summer of 2016.

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Think about what was the content of what was in those WikiLeaks.

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Licks, can you remember what was actually said in the actual documents?

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Or is your mind somehow transfixed in an argument about whether Donald Trump is an agent of Putin or not?

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So basically what's happened here is that the Vips from December of 2016 really

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have been yelling about this and saying this makes no sense. Think back to December of 2016.

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What was happening? The Obama administration had declared that this was an act of rule or

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by Russia. John McCain was running around saying, we should invoke Article 5 of NATO. We should go to

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war over this. Barack Obama says or has claimed that the Obama administration as a retaliation for this

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put a cyber worm into Russian infrastructure, which is probably, you know, in most, by most

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accounts in actual act of war. The bitty said from the beginning, if there was a Russian hack,

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the NSA would have it. Where's the evidence? It has never been produced. And then come

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May of this year, we finally get to look at what the congressional testimony was about this way back

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in 2017. That is before Robert Mueller. That is before the continuation of this lie for over

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two and a half years. And the beginning of this lie being sort of again, transfixed right now

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into the same type of hacking lie about China. We only learned what Sean Henry said

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that the only people other than Bill Bynic, who actually forensically examine this to any extent

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and whether crowds strike examine this is a very open question. But what did he say? He told

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the Congress way back in December of 2017, we couldn't see any evidence that files which had been

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quote unquote staged for exhalation ever were exhalated. They never left the DNC as far as we could

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find it. Think about that. That is May of 2020, we're just finding out what everybody in Congress

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and everybody in Washington knew definitively as of December of 2017. Barack Obama, Joe Biden,

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those guys knew this even before, obviously, the congressional testimony of crowd strikes expert.

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So, what did those emails also actually show? Most people have forgotten completely about that.

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They showed that Hillary Clinton was stealing the Democratic nomination for president from Bernie

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Sanders. They showed that Hillary Clinton was a craving to a Wall Street. Most people don't even remember

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that. Now think about the fact that Donald Trump comes in, he goes through all of the things he goes through

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and he says to Mike Pompeo, who is then at the CIA, I want you to meet with this guy, Bynne,

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and I want you to find out about the Russian hacks. What happens is Pompeo does meet with Bill Bynne.

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Bill Bynne tells him everything you just heard and probably more. And because of the fact

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of what Bill Bynne said, it is likely that it is just as likely that the CIA did the hacking

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of the DNC or did whatever intrusion was involved there, this thing has been completely

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totally covered up. It is an untouchable in Washington, Parallelants. So, what we're

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contending is that any investigation, which does not attack this and expose it, is rotten and self-defeating.

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It will leave the surveillance apparatus and the intelligence apparatus in place

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which we contend has left many Americans just mentally imprisoned and pacified since 911

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and particularly since the financial collapse of 2008. That is why Julian Assange,

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who was a witness to this, may very well die in a Bill Marsh prison as a result of the

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cover-up of this very crime. It is why Craig Murray, who was a witness to the actual hand-off

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at least according to what he says, has never ever been interviewed by any government agency in

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terms of what he has to say about the so-called Russian hack. That is why the surveillance state,

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which is really the imposition of a complete police state in the United States,

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which Bill Benny and Kurt have opposed ever since September 11, 2001, might very well

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be imposed completely, which after all was what Hillary Clinton's mission was supposed to be

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in her presidency going forward from the continuance and expansion of this type of surveillance

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during the Obama administration after its initial widespread implementation in the Bush administration.

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But it is also why if this particular lie gets exposed, gets dug into, we have a good chance to

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overturn the entire horrible apparatus meant to subdue a population in a failed United States,

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which is really what the British oligarchy has planned here. Why that dissent into the mailstrom

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can finally be halted, and that's what I have to say.

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OK, thank you very much, Barbara. Now, Bill has keen that he works with and he's

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working with him for a while and one of the numbers of that team with us here. And he,

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that is Mr. Kurt Webe, and he'll have a story that goes back away. They at one point decided

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that they had to leave NSA and they had to do that in order to do their job.

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And I just like Bill, Kurt, to say something and then we'll open up the lines for the questions.

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And let me just say everybody that if you are on the Zoom platform, you just raise your hand.

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I think you have a direction for that. Star nine of the leave of something. And then we'll get to you

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and we have also written questions, so there'll be a couple of us asking those questions. So, Kurt,

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yes, hello, my name is Kurt Webe. I'm a longtime colleague, friend of Bill Benis.

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And we've been through a few wars together, some adversarial actions taken against us by the US government.

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Thank God we survived those. But I want you the audience to understand the background

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for Russia gay. And some of the things that have happened, especially the misuse,

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the illegal use of United States government surveillance capabilities against Donald Trump

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as alleged and other people connected to his administration. And that's a lute to the fact that

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Bill has is the part of several affidavits in court cases. One associated with Roger Stone,

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who was just pardoned or had his sentence commuted by the president.

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But was not allowed to testify in court. And I believe I can tell you why.

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But you need to understand in the context of recent the last say the last 20 years,

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what has brought about this situation that makes it possible for people to misuse or

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illegally use against us all of you very, very powerful surveillance capabilities.

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When NSA and Bill and I were researching the evolution of communications capabilities in the 90s,

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basically this is around 1995, 1996, 97 timeframe. It became clear that this thing called the

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internet was gaining ground. And it was advancing quickly. All kinds of applications.

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Those little icons you find on your computer, your phone, whatever it may be.

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We're flourishing new means of interacting between people, we're being developed almost overnight.

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And the end result is we are all very wired people. Many of us have more than one phone

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and our families, multiple computers. Now your refrigerator is even being connected to the internet.

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Well, there are very positive things about all of this, but there are some negatives.

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It means if people can crawl up a wire, which is basically what the internet is speaking figuratively,

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they can access your phone, they can access your computer, they could access your refrigerator.

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Now why would you do this? Well, you want to surveil. You know, back when the United States

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was fighting for its independence, the king of England wanted to put a soldier in the home

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of every colonial resident. Why? So that he could monitor and surveil the mood of the colonial

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structure, those odd balls living in the United States that he wanted to keep under control.

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And this is one of the factors that led to the United States Revolution against England.

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People want privacy. At ultimately gets reflected in our Constitution, the US Constitution,

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in Article 4 of the Bill of Rights. And we believe, Bill and I raised under the Constitution

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and sworn to defend it that that rights should be extended to the general population of the world.

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In other words, why would you want to spy on innocent people? Why? There's no need to.

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It's hard enough to catch bad guys. Why complicate things? So when Bill and I were working on ways

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for NSA to exploit or use the internet to catch terrorists, identify people, planning the bomb things,

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whatever it may be, we made sure we built in protections for innocent people. Now the thing that allows

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you to do that is the technical makeup of the internet, things just don't fly around in a free space,

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just like you have a phone number that is equated to use a person or an email address or anything

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like that, the internet functions on the same principle. There are IP addresses,

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internet protocol, IP that are associated with every communications device you want.

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And it's monitored and it can be monitored. We use that information to exclude

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anyone that did not fit the definition of being a terrorist or a known bad person or someone

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under active suspicion of being a part of a terrorist or criminal organization. So we had a

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way of separating out the wheat from the chaff, if you will. Unfortunately, Bill Benny was ordered

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in one night and told to remove that sapphire, safe gun. And ever since NSA's been on a rampant

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surveillance exercise, collecting everything it can about everyone, is it literally everything? No,

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but it's so much that the odds are if they want to know about you, they can know about you.

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This was everything against the principle of privacy under the United States Constitution,

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but they didn't care. The ability to do it was too seductive. And this is how people,

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this is how mankind goes wrong. They always tend to screw things up and they did here.

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If Bill Benny's protections had been built in to NSA surveillance programs 20 years ago,

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we would not be even talking about surveillance and phycia and all of these words you're hearing

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being used against the Trump administration. People wouldn't have been able to surveil innocent

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people, but the government made a conscious choice not to build that in. And they don't want you to know

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that. They don't want a national uproar. They don't want a global uproar that it's all fixable

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with a simple couple steps. This is not hard to do. You just need the world to do it.

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And so that's the backdrop against all of this that I just wanted to pass along and make sure you

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understood. Okay, thank you very much. Now what we're going to do is we are getting a lot of

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questions, a lot of different things have happened. We want to welcome everybody that has joined us.

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We're very happy that some of the people get the idea that this is a day to begin to actually

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make sure everything gets exposed that all the trees in the forest fall and all those things

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that are often said but rarely done. What we're going to do is we're going to go to a written question

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and my colleague Diane Sarah's going to do that and I'll be handling some of the other questions

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that are coming in. So if Diane is there, great, let's go to you first. You seem to be muted.

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Okay, now you can hear me. Good. All right. So the first question is from Sonya with FreeSaria

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a couple questions. She writes recently I wrote two articles about the Ukrainian state funded hackers.

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According to a defector of the Ukrainian secret service, the recent hacks over the last years

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where Russia was blamed from the Skirbal case until the UK election meddling were performed

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by Ukrainian hackers paid for by the EU and US under the guidance of Stratcom and MI5 and 6.

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He said the Ukrainian hackers use Russian IP addresses to infiltrate. The biggest evidence was the

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barisma case where Joe Biden, his son, was a shareholder. So the hacks we have seen lately

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are from the EU and of course the UK MI5 and 6 most likely against their own governments,

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which is via the explanation as well that the Democrats are performing a coup or a colored

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revolution against Trump has Ukraine become the largest spy country and therefore had to become part of the EU.

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So who would like to take it? Bill. Well, I can give some thoughts on that. That kind of scenario

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fits right in with the US government attempting the organizations within the government of the CIA,

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FBI and NSA, state department and DHS trying to perform a coup here against President Trump,

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which is exactly what they were doing. We're not, you know, that's very clear to us. There's no

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question about they all fabricated this evidence. They used a steel that fabricated other charges

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against them to get warrants against the spy on his programs, to see what he's planning and doing

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and then to try to manipulate data and fabricate data to make charges of Russia

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relationship between President Trump and Russia. This is all part of a plan to coup. And foreign

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governments were involved with this. I think you'll notice that Durham and Bar have been investigating

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very solid countries and going to talk to them about the participation and events that they were involved in.

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And I think you'll see, at least I hope to do a room and Bar force this out in the open.

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So the American public can actually see what really happened and know the corruption and evil that's

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been going on in our government. So yeah, I think that's absolutely right. Okay, fine. Anybody want to

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add anything? Okay, let's move to the Zoom platform. I don't know who's there at the moment.

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Hello, this is Ann Bander still. Can you hear me now?

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Yes, Mal, we can hear you. Go right ahead. Okay, great. My question is very direct and it has to do

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with the CIA. And I guess I can either pass this to either Ms Boyd or Mr Benny, but with respect to

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the current leadership over their Gina Haskell, is she aware of this? If you've spoken to

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Pompeo, is Gina Haskell aware? And if so, why is she not doing anything? And why is, you know, why

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is it ray been contacted about this to see if there's some initiatives that can come from that department?

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Shall I take that one? I think what's going on and nice to talk to you, Ann.

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Good to talk to you, too, again, Bill. You look good.

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Good. Well, yeah, see, the problem is that there's so much involvement across the government

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and various departments that they all have to cover up for one another and the event that, you know,

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when one falls, they all start to fall. And that's what they're afraid of. So this is basically

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a cover up and obstruction of justice. And so on, what do we want to call this many crimes? You could

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put to this, okay? Actually, criminal guy. I mean, I'm not a lawyer, but I've already done it,

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you know, I have a list of crimes that they've been committed. So this is all consistent with

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the continued cover up to make sure that everybody that's involved and this coup attempt and

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and the manipulation and changing and that's the addition against our government, basically,

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is kept hidden and they're not going to be able to do that because there's just too many

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people who know what's really going on or have a piece of it anyway. Okay, Barbara, you have anything

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that? Yeah, Gina Haspo was actually functioning out of London during the entire run-up to the 2016 coup.

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And so since most everything that happened actually was part of a British intelligence

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operation, one of the ironies which is just coming across in the press today is that Mike Pompeo,

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the guy who's blocking this, which is over in London trying to ferment all sorts of stuff against

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the Chinese. And he just had a sort of celebratory walk around the park with which

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Sir Richard Deerlove and the circle in London which was actually promoting Christopher's steel

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and promoting all of the actions against the president. So while she may be, she's certainly

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privy to what happened and again, the issue really is why is this so hot to handle? And my bill

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said is absolutely true. Once one peg starts to fall here, all of the trees in the forest

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and says this is really foundational to everything that's happened to this country since 2016,

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everything starts to come down. And that's why, you know, Christopher Ray is not going to do a whole

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lot about this, at least he appears to be playing a real blocking role in this whole thing.

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And you got to hope that essentially through people, there's a situation right now in the

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country where people get very tied up and will bill bar and John Durham do the right thing by the

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president and can we wait for that and this is going to be report or is there going to be indictments

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and you know the latest thing gets released and it turns out to be just an iteration of things

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we already know. And the question is really well, the citizens, you know, demand that this be exposed.

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There's an election going on. Every single vote in this election is going to count.

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If people actually go to it about this and say, my vote depends on actually revealing

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everything that's happened in this coup attempt in the United States. My vote will actually go to,

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you know, the people who actually will get behind that, the biggest block to a lot of this

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stuff is in the Congress and in the Senate. Then you're going to begin to see the thing turn around,

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but you're not going to see it from inside because the inside is too invested and too dirty

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up already for the most part in the coup itself. Okay, I think that's right. Oh, well,

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hurt you had your first minute. I was just going to sum up what Bill and Barbara said as passive complicity

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there's a protection of the establishment going on and the structure of the government. I think

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a lot of us driven by fear that the whole system could blow up. And then we'd have to start from scratch.

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I think there's some truth to that, but I wouldn't be afraid of it. We need a house cleansing.

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And there's very few elements of government that are not guilty in being passively complicit.

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Okay, I'll follow a question. My follow up question then might be in terms of exposing this

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more in a federal court, has anybody explored the idea of a buy-in-vindaction where you actually

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sue federal individuals personally in federal courts and name each person that is aware of the

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crime and hold them accountable if they've done nothing? Well, I've got several court actions going

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one, I put an affidavit in Roger Stone's case and also an affidavit in general Flint's case,

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but also have another lawsuit going forward in the third circuit with the LA Chukar to lawyer and

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I've been working together to sue the government basically for violations of the fourth amendment

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and collecting bulk acquisition of data on everybody and in violation was the first fourth fifth

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and sixth amendment's the constitution and I included exhibits from Edward Snowden's releases which

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clearly showed the programs that I left and I say when I retired. Those programs are all done

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by us in the Sark and the Sagan Automation Research Center and then and this what they've done is they

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took what we did there and and applied it to the entire NSA operation including relationships with other

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parties and so on. They took exactly our blueprint, our layout, everything was right there and they

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simply expanded it to do everything. So you know I was ready to testify to all of that and that's

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in the third circuit and it's still going and now we're we're preparing an appeal to the Supreme

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Court which should be filed this Friday or next week sometime. Okay thank you.

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Okay thank you very much and so Diane we go back to you and then I've got a couple of written

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things to who will go to you first. Okay well first let me just say we got a note from

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Joe Hacht from the Gateway Pundit who writes as I was attempting to post this post on this live stream

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Bill Benny says more evidence CIA involved in DNC hack than Russia and boom our site went down

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the Gateway Pundit we sometimes get more than 2 million hits a day and send another notes saying

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that they are still down just in case anyone wonders if people are listening to this.

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Now I have a question from Erin Seraphim Haneish who's with the deron it's that I'm going to just take

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a couple of these questions it's several who writes I live in the Russian Federation and the

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country has suffered from sanction after sanction since before president from selection but also

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continuing during it. If the Russia gate story is indeed the hoax you say and I agree that it is

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then what do you think accounts for the imposition of these very painful sanctions?

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To what in your estimation would it take happening in the United States for these sanctions to be

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lifted and relations between Russia and the US normalized he asked finally how important to you

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believe it is that president Trump wins the reelection as far. Okay let me do something here I

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think that that's absolutely right and the reason these sanctions were implied were basically they

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had to create a fabricated story that Russia was the they had to create an external threat to the

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US and the only one that looked like the most likely candidate that would be be accepted by the

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US population in general was Russia because of the residue of the cold war thinking and so on and so

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they did that as a way of saying well if you're going to blame them for the problem you have to do

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something otherwise you look you know meek and mild and and ineffective so they had to do something

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to start these sanctions they didn't want to go to war obviously but these kinds of things can

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eventually create situations that could accidentally do that so but that was the reason I think they

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did that and yeah the reason the and the way to stop this and reverse this is first of all the

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reelect president Trump but also then to put the people who fabricated this this story in jail for

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the crimes they've committed that will start to stop this kind of crap in our government

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so we're getting several questions there's good I'm glad we're getting so many so one of the

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things they asked me to do and we should go to the zoom platform next but while we're doing that

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just that people should raise their hands on that platform if they wish to say something I've got

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a couple of requests to recognize various people but I think they're in the platform and the

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best thing for them to do is to say something otherwise I suppose say hello I like to say one thing

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is I'd like to recognize Ed Luma send Diane Roark and also Tom Drake that matter who other

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members of the team who I had the the honor of being visited by various department of justice

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in the aftermath of their having also protested these illegal activities so now we want

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to do us to go back to the zoom platform are we ready

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okay whoever is next in line you've must unmute your phone and if not I guess we would go to the next

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person in the platform

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hello can I be heard yes right all right hi hi everybody this is Jose Vega here in the

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Bronx it's always a pleasure to hear everyone on this panel my question is very simple

400
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and and also thank you again for reiterating the evidence that there was never a Russian hack

401
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and you've been saying this since 2017 and I think it's absurd that this is it's been three years now

402
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:15,040
almost three years yeah three years now that people are only now starting to really listen

403
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:23,040
regardless how does freeing the president from this tango of the rush gig and finally putting

404
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:31,760
the nail in the coffin to it how will this allow the president to operate and operate differently

405
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or operate in a different circumstance what will this do not just for Trump but also for the

406
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presidency in the future for whoever may hold that office and what kind of president does it said

407
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what had to do do me take okay I'll do it well to me it's just the president that you know

408
00:48:55,520 --> 00:49:02,720
what it sets a precedent of bringing our government back into a constitutional republic

409
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and that will set up the basis for make to make sure if they send these people to jail

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it was they are the ones who committed this fabrication and all the sedition involved in the

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government organizations getting together and conspiring against the duly elected president

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so if if and my my my real feeling in senses that the democrats should really pay a heavy penalty

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not just in the president voting for the president but also in the voting for the house and Senate members

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because they've been participating in this fabrication and our accessories all of them so

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they need to know that and need to pay a penalty for it the U.S. public needs to make sure that they

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want if they want honesty from their government and and some kind of a constitutional republic

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they better they better do something like that the Senate message to the democrats to straighten

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up their act and get get back into the game of being a republic where you have two parties that

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maybe argue one and up with one another about policy but they don't try to to subvert collections

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and and and and perform clues against one another so I mean the point my point is that once that

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happens that will restore the republic and the republic itself then the constitution republic that we

422
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supposedly have and the rules that we operate under will function and I think they'll do a much better

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job and it'll be much better for the U.S. population of the United States government the United

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States country just to have the government that functions under that constitution.

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And if I might add what Bill just said it's not going to be easy Jose by the way hello

426
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and it's going to be it's it's a monumental task because it seems all three branches of our

427
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government have been tainted in one way or another all three and we've had a congress sitting there

428
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who will tell you their job is to do oversight over the other branches especially the executive

429
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:22,000
branch but this lawless surveillance has occurred on their watch so it's not

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just what the president does it's what the director of national intelligence does and what said of

431
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ethics and principles he wrap cliff brings to the table but that's equally true of the members of

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congress especially those doing oversight which I think are all 435 of them since they represent

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districts in this United States and I think we could all agree we all cherish privacy freedom of

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speech freedom to assemble etc under the constitution there's none of those rights we would give up

435
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none and so I think this is not an easy fix but it's one that needs to start and I would dare say

436
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:21,840
I would like to hold every member of government responsible to fulfill their oath of office

437
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the one that says I will defend the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic

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and if there's evidence they have not done that they should be prosecuted or impeached or otherwise

439
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:56,240
remove from office okay we want to die in there's a three similar questions which I'm going to

440
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combine one of which of the three is from the association of controller workers of Columbia

441
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trade union there but there's others that are related on the question of China

442
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:15,280
this person says now that the facts have come out allowing us to infer there was collusion to

443
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involve Trump with Russia I'd like you to elaborate on the Chinese flank who is interested in

444
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:28,400
sabotaging diplomatic relations and what is their intention others have brought up the abrupt

445
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:35,040
closing of the Chinese consulate in Houston I think Barbara mentioned something earlier about Pompeo's

446
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visit to Britain so that's the question

447
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:48,080
Barbara okay

448
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:54,560
this talk goes back to the whole issue which we're talking about here we're talking about

449
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an administrative state which is actually functioning you know increasingly strengthened from 2001

450
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:11,760
forward which is functioning almost in contradiction to anything a president tries to do

451
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and with respect to both Russia and China the grounds for the present quote unquote whole

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of government nonsense which we see going on were laid in the defense authorization act of 2017 2018

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written by Joseph Thunford and what you have to recognize here going back to what we've been talking

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about in terms of what's at stake is you have to recognize that there's been this whole apparatus

455
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built up where the money flows and the power flows and everything else the NDAA sets feed pedagons

456
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strategic priorities it also awards all of the money to the largely privatized intelligence apparatus

457
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which has grown up like a foul you know parasite in after 911 it also awards congress just think about

458
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:20,560
what you know Chuck Schumer famously said to racial madau at the beginning of the Trump presidency

459
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:27,920
why is the president being so stupid as to go after the intelligence community

460
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:35,760
they can get you six ways from Sunday that's someone speaking who's already corrupted

461
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warning about what is fairly obvious in terms of united states policy which is that

462
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what do I'd Eisenhower referred to as the military industrial complex is a real thing

463
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:59,040
and president Trump's election as an outsider really for the first time since John F. Kennedy threatened

464
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that the entire coup distorts the ability of any president to actually act within these circumstances

465
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and it's why if you're going to solve any of these geopolitical problems you have to end the coup first

466
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you have to go after it you have to prosecute it you have to put the people who are actually

467
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really behind the saying in jail okay very good I'm trying to figure out okay we've got a couple

468
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of different things first of all let me just indicate because there are three different three people

469
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who've raised the question which is sort of I'm going to try to combine this comes from

470
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three different persons but it goes like this it's directed to build you stated and this is

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from I think from the press release that went out before that your thin thread system would have

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in real time found the plot that became 911 could you discuss this and your conclusion that the

473
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system was taken down because it would have also captured the criminal activity of the intelligence

474
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:16,240
community yep that's that basis what question does so go ahead okay what what we had in terms of

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the program thin thread is what he's talking about that was program we were developing inside in a say

476
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to to basically take care of and manage the digital age and the explosion of communications

477
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and digital form crossing worldwide web digital you know the cell phones and so on exploding all

478
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those communications so we did it three basic ways I mean looking at the massive data the question is

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how can you find something in a massive flow of information that's important for your analysts to look

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00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:54,480
at not and if you start trying to look at all the data which is what they're doing now you know you

481
00:57:54,480 --> 00:58:00,240
get immediately buried in all kinds of information you can't see threats in that massive amount of data

482
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so we devised three different ways looking at the first thing we call deductive meaning

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you have you build social networks of everybody in the world a calls b a e m l b a s a sends money to

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b you know a travels to be so on those kinds of relationships and you build those things for

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everybody in the world then if you know for example you know a bad guy somebody who's involved in

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alkita or some other go-back activity or some dope king pin or something then you look at his

487
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network and see who he's connected within that network whatever domain you're in whether it's

488
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:42,080
the phones or the emails or the financial transactions or whichever and you see the relationships there

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at what we call the first degree then then you look at the second degree because if you have a

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front company involved he's talking to a front company then you need to look further the next

491
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:59,360
hop to see who it is but the the rule is you don't use and the rule we were using of course

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because if you don't you get buried in data and I'll explain that in a minute you don't use a

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company or a government agency to look through for the second hop because if you do you're just

494
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pulling in random people that are contacting that government agency like or that company you know

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for a business or or some function they needed fulfilled so I mean for example if I

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emailed Google the first hop was to Google and the second hop goes out to Google maybe 1.5 billion

497
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people every day so the point is that over there it's a very few days you could collect the

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they sick two of through two options you could say now I'm going to be looking at everybody

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that has a communications device in the world which is probably on the order for plus billion people

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so that's the idea and we tried to get that that instilled in the January 2014

501
00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:00:03,040
President Obama tried to put limits on NSA and that what they were looking at and he said you can only go

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to a hop slot he didn't have that limitation and NSA was very happy with that because they could

503
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:12,960
therefore use the Google relationship or any other company relationship say well we now have the

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01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:18,560
authority to spy on everybody in the world so you see that kind of thing would narrow it down you

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01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:23,280
wouldn't be pulling in massive numbers of people had no relationship whatsoever to somebody who might

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be doing a bad thing that kind that we called then the zone of suspicion if you were around a

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known terrorist or bad guy for a criminal activity or so and if you were in that zone you then

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would be looked at and the other one we had was an inductive way if you were for example using a

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01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:48,480
cell phone in the jungles of Peru or Bolivia or you know in Venezuela or if you were using

510
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:54,240
something like that satellite phone or something like that in the mountains at Pakistan on the

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01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:59,680
Afghani border or something like that you were and that was a reasonable property that was

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common among criminals and terrorists so you would then fall in under that you had no direct

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connection with them but you had your had properties that were looking like you might be a part of it

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01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:15,600
so then you had to be looked at for that one and then we had a final one which we the first to really

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covered would have covered every terrorist attack from before and after 9th of 9th of as well as 9th of

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11th it's not just limited to 9th of 11th it's any kind of terrorist activity or criminal activity

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is recorded that way and you can get to it by those two principles and and the final one we had

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which was developed things to get started where you know absolutely nothing about the network except

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01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:47,680
said maybe geographic relationships or things of that nature for example then if you said okay

520
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:52,880
here are the countries that are quite quite really involved in a lot of dope snuggling or here

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01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:58,640
the ones that are involved in exporting terrorism or so on then you looked at all this single

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01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:05,440
the first degree of hops of every every node every person every every relationship in the world

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01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:10,320
and you could do this with software it's not not not a great that's not really people you

524
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:15,840
may think it's impossible but it's really not that hard at all and then you look start looking and

525
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see what is the distribution of the first degree of every network in the world and is it consistent

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or mostly 80% within the zones defined for terrorism or dope snuggling or so on and if it is then

527
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you say well this is a reasonable suspicion for us to look at them that's starting out with

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knowing absolutely nothing except geographical distribution and easily know that from the phone

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numbers themselves are all set up geographically and worldwide is a worldwide plan and the same is true

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01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:54,400
with the internet protocols IPv4 and IPv6 that are block allocations out of the IANA and the distribution

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01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:59,440
of those kinds of numbers and you know exactly where the blocks are so that tells you at least

532
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the geography of stuff so you can use those kinds of things to do then and what that means is you're

533
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:11,440
looking at the metadata of the communications not actually looking to the content which means you now

534
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:19,760
can make massive communications a doable thing and a manageable problem for analysts to actually

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01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:25,520
have a rich environment to try to succeed at stopping things that's the way we operated from the

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01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:30,720
front to the act and and in the back end then the process we had with the thin thread was the

537
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:35,760
once we pulled data in if you were not known to be a bad guy and we didn't know for sure that you were

538
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:40,400
we would encrypt all your attributes and no one even in NSA they couldn't tell who they were so they

539
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:44,000
couldn't do anything like love and look at their lovers to see if they're cheating on which is

540
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:51,360
what they did according to the you know the Pfizer court stuff so that that allowed us to give

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01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:57,200
everybody privacy even if you were in the zone of suspicion you still got privacy so and until we

542
01:03:57,200 --> 01:04:04,160
could prove that you were part of it we would keep you protected by encryption but in the end then

543
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:10,960
after that we also put in a program that monitored the entire network that we had and we wanted to

544
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:16,160
pass the actively push that out to the NSA network worldwide in fact all of government eventually

545
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:23,280
but it what it did was monitor the network to see who did what where when and what they actually

546
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:27,040
how long they stayed things like that in the different files and so on and what they did with the data

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01:04:28,080 --> 01:04:33,120
and so that was the program that what that they didn't want because what it would do was also show

548
01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:38,000
every relationship for all the criminals we have in government and what they're doing so so

549
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:42,400
and and when it came to things like Edward Snowden if they had that program

550
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:47,920
which they didn't want because they knew of what exposed all the corruption and moving a money around and

551
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:53,840
all that so so they they basically eliminate all those things that we put in there and just

552
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:58,560
took in the bulk acquisition because we could see it all so that was what they did to the program

553
01:04:58,560 --> 01:05:05,040
that they made the program ineffective it made their entire staff mostly dysfunctional because of

554
01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:09,680
buried in data and they can't see a lot and even they internally Edward Snowden Bruce the documents

555
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:14,000
that they were there analysts were saying that and they still didn't listen they're still doing

556
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:20,000
the same idiotic approach anyway that that those were the things they removed and those are the ways

557
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:24,960
that it was succeeding and we could manage it it proves the manager amount of data for our

558
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:31,360
6000 analysts that we're looking at the data at the time so we we we basically were made dysfunctional

559
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:36,720
by the by the general approach of collecting data on every one because they wanted to have power

560
01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:43,200
and and control be able to control everybody's activities so that was a basic violation of the

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01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:49,760
fourth amendment and then they used that data FBI and CIA and and all those intelligence agencies

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01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:56,640
including the drug enforcement administration and the FBI primarily those two looking internally

563
01:05:56,640 --> 01:06:02,800
at NSA data to to find criminal activity and then use it to go arrest people then fabricate

564
01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:07,200
the evidence and substitute that for the NSA data because not admissible in the court as it wasn't

565
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:12,880
collected with a warrant and so they they called that parallel construction and that meant that they

566
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:18,640
they they were purgering themselves in all the criminal activities and court that they that they

567
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:23,760
used that data for so there was that and then then of course the other problem is that the

568
01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:31,600
those data sets in NSA are directly accessible through the IC reach program

569
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:41,120
by the by the five eyes countries GCHQ Canada and Australia and New Zealand so they're connected

570
01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:48,080
directly in as they are the FBI and the DEA and this is all done without any oversight nobody's

571
01:06:48,080 --> 01:06:53,760
really overseen this you hear about all the oversight about NSA analysts that's that's that's a

572
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:59,120
that's a red herring they're not looking at the entire access of that data that's the problem

573
01:06:59,120 --> 01:07:04,560
and the real problem is NSA collects that data to begin with and stores it so if they didn't

574
01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:09,040
have that data they wouldn't be able to abuse it like they did against president Trump and all

575
01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:14,960
all a republicans and so on and anybody else in the Tea Party they used it there the the IRS has

576
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:18,960
access to that through the special operations of his and the drug enforcement administration they

577
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:23,840
go into that data too so they could see all the relationships of the Tea Party and so on and anybody

578
01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:29,040
trying to get a five with one C3 with the Tea Party including religious groups or any kind of group

579
01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:33,680
they could see that relationship and that's why they slow rolled them and that's how they did it

580
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:42,080
so all of this the point is that if you say if they used our our approach they wouldn't have the

581
01:07:42,080 --> 01:07:46,160
ability to abuse people they wouldn't have the ability to have their own house look into the

582
01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:50,800
data to see if their lovers were cheating on them which is what they did so I mean I tell you the

583
01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:57,520
extent of what's going on it's all local phone calls and local local emails and so on chatter what

584
01:07:57,520 --> 01:08:02,720
heavy it's all there and and the point is they shouldn't be having that data to begin with

585
01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:07,600
the violation of the Fourth Amendment stuff also then and the and also a violation of the first

586
01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:11,840
amendment because they don't have you know free association of free anymore without the government

587
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:17,600
knowing it so you know we're having access to recto actively analyze it so which is what they do also

588
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:25,040
so you know all of this needs to be stopped and they need to revert to a discipline professional

589
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:30,080
focus the approach of using the rules that we presented to get data and get a rich environment for

590
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:43,120
analysts and FBI agents and DA is actually succeed yeah just just to quick add on to what Bill's saying

591
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:53,520
if you listen to what Bill said just said the solution is to take meta data based analysis

592
01:08:54,480 --> 01:09:01,680
and put sunlight on it in other words make it a routine just like we do normal police investigations

593
01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:09,360
the Russians know about how to surveil the internet the Chinese know you're not going to give

594
01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:20,080
any secrets away you simply are shining what is now a dark murky smoke filled room process with special

595
01:09:20,160 --> 01:09:28,320
courts and moving it into the article three courts where meta data based relationships can be

596
01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:36,800
offered as evidence in a court of law a normal court of law article three court and proceed from

597
01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:43,440
that premise it doesn't mean you have to give the public all the information you just simply begin

598
01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:53,520
to establish a more normalized method of justice under our constitution and get it out of

599
01:09:53,520 --> 01:10:02,800
the special control of what has become a politicized weapon using our surveillance capabilities

600
01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:16,720
okay good Dennis has had some technical difficulties but the next question or from zoom is Alejandra

601
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Alejandra

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there we go

603
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:48,560
hello hello hello hello can you hear me yes we're able to hear you okay

604
01:10:49,280 --> 01:10:56,560
see I have a question of the chat so I put a question of the chat once these evidence has been

605
01:10:56,560 --> 01:11:04,400
presented to to do show that the connection to Russia has been discredited I'd like to know

606
01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:09,920
about the China question who are the people who are behind the China question and what's their

607
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:21,200
actual political intention hmm we couldn't hear the translation is that right

608
01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:32,240
yeah hello this is the interpreter can you hear me can you hear me this is the interpreter yes I can

609
01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:39,440
no yeah okay okay I'll repeat I'll repeat the question which was I believe it was actually asked previously

610
01:11:39,440 --> 01:11:46,480
but it by read by one of the hosts but the question was since you have now shown and demonstrated

611
01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:52,160
all of the information regarding to the Russia gate question is not true can you please talk

612
01:11:52,160 --> 01:12:00,320
about the question of China and who would be behind this kind of an attack and on US relations with

613
01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:08,160
China and what is their actual intention was that question not answered before I thought

614
01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:16,000
go ahead Kirk if you have something great yeah yeah I have to admit full disclosure I am not

615
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:30,560
intimate with the Chinese administration per se but over the years I have gotten the impression

616
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:39,760
that the Chinese Communist Party is much like the Communist Party we found in the Soviet Union

617
01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:51,520
during the 30s and 40s 1930s and 40s in other words it hasn't evolved much it is still a very

618
01:12:52,480 --> 01:13:01,840
strict party an application of communist principles and so I view it as very monolithic

619
01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:11,520
very reluctant to give up centralized control and so I think we can view the traditional

620
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:19,840
model of communism when we interpret motives and things of that nature I am not surprised

621
01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:26,640
about the Houston story and the consulate we have known for years that communists and other

622
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:35,840
foes use consulates embassies as intelligence bases of operation so there's nothing surprising here

623
01:13:36,480 --> 01:13:44,160
it's how we deal with it that will make the difference and I think the Trump administration's

624
01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:53,120
simple equation of if you subvert if you break the law if you do bad things to try to gain

625
01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:59,760
advantage in in the global marketplace we're going to retaliate in other words if you're a bad boy

626
01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:08,320
we're going to treat you like a bad boy but we're not going to cause a war over it so I think it's

627
01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:17,120
sort of a careful tip for cat but very firm bit of behavior on our part to make sure the

628
01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:24,560
Chinese know clearly what we expect of them and hopefully they will reciprocate but that's the

629
01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:35,120
question I think I understand that we have we have a little bit of a confusion here about

630
01:14:35,120 --> 01:14:40,320
how we are proceeding in terms of the written and other questions dying do you have another written

631
01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:52,000
question there can you go to that please yes the question is what it be possible for the

632
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:58,880
panelists to discuss the dangers to freedom of speech and to state accountability and journalistic

633
01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:05,200
freedoms from the planned extradition of Julian Assange would they also comment on how this is

634
01:15:05,200 --> 01:15:17,040
tended to intended to avoid scrutiny of war crimes I like to take that first and then I'll invite

635
01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:24,480
other comment look the first amendment right now is under total assault in the United States when

636
01:15:24,480 --> 01:15:32,480
Bill talked about coming back to the to the nature of a republic you come back to what President

637
01:15:32,480 --> 01:15:40,080
Lincoln actually said and get us work will a government other people buy the people and for the

638
01:15:40,160 --> 01:15:48,160
people actually survive the first amendment is critical to that now think about what's happened

639
01:15:48,160 --> 01:15:55,200
in the United States over the last three or four weeks month to months where essentially campaigns have

640
01:15:55,200 --> 01:16:02,400
been run against personalities who express any form of descent from what is considered to be

641
01:16:03,360 --> 01:16:12,880
the mainstream media lines on social policy of any sort you can be canceled as they say you can have

642
01:16:12,880 --> 01:16:18,720
the experience that Jim Hop just had of being taken off the internet there is widespread

643
01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:27,040
assaults on speech going on through Twitter and Google and Facebook at this point I'll tie to the

644
01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:37,920
election and that brings you back to really again why this particular thread in the entire investigation

645
01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:46,320
is so terribly important what did Julian Assange do he published the truth about Hillary Clinton

646
01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:54,320
he published the truth about John Podesta he published the truth about various intelligence

647
01:16:54,480 --> 01:17:03,920
operations conducted both by the British and by the United States leading invariably to various forms of

648
01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:14,240
war crimes now this guy who is after all a key witness to what actually happened and what we're

649
01:17:14,240 --> 01:17:20,400
discussing the so-called Russian hack of the DNC the guy who actually got the documents

650
01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:31,440
as being purposely left to die in the worst of all prisons bell marsh in London in order to shut him up

651
01:17:32,080 --> 01:17:41,040
period Craig Murray another essential witness to what actually happened he says he actually got

652
01:17:42,240 --> 01:17:49,280
the thumb drives from somebody at American University in the summer of 2016 which resulted in the

653
01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:56,000
WikiLeaks documents he right now he says at least by the morning's consortium news

654
01:17:56,720 --> 01:18:05,840
that he is being hounded by the CIA that the CIA is absolutely obsessed with him so the point here is

655
01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:15,440
very simple creative thought creative republics intellectual discourse depend upon free speech and

656
01:18:15,440 --> 01:18:25,760
free debate and yet here we are allegedly criticizing China as a totalitarian society while we tolerate

657
01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:33,760
a surveillance state and absolutely totalitarian measures against our own population right now

658
01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:41,360
I think that we're at a very dangerous place where people have to go back and read their

659
01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:48,160
constitutions and really think about that bill of rights sitting there and think about what has

660
01:18:48,160 --> 01:18:54,640
happened to us over the course of the last summer and really understand that document understand that

661
01:18:54,640 --> 01:19:01,520
that document setting up a form of government which never before had existed anywhere in the world

662
01:19:02,240 --> 01:19:12,080
is very much in danger and Lincoln's words at Gattisburg should be ringing in everyone's ears

663
01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:22,640
well said if I can add to to what Barbara has already said which I agree with totally

664
01:19:22,720 --> 01:19:31,040
the doing this to Julian Assange is said basically why the mainstream media is basically the

665
01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:35,200
mouthpiece for our government they're all afraid to oppose that they're all afraid to

666
01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:41,840
to even investigate anything that would in any way implicate our government at crime and that's

667
01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:46,640
true of the people working in government they're so afraid to say anything because of this surveillance

668
01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:53,120
they could be they would easily be detected okay so but but it goes much further than that

669
01:19:53,120 --> 01:19:57,840
what it is is Julian Assange is not a US citizen he's a publisher of information

670
01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:06,400
and what that says is there is an any publisher in the in the world or anyone that's involved in

671
01:20:06,400 --> 01:20:10,240
publication of information that the US government doesn't like that they can't take in and

672
01:20:10,240 --> 01:20:16,960
die anywhere in the world and then then bring them in for prosecution so they's not just a threat

673
01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:20,720
to the free press here in the United States it's a threat to free press in the world

674
01:20:21,440 --> 01:20:27,600
and so it takes away you know the the what I say is if as long as our press agrees with this

675
01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:31,440
and goes along with it they should be removed from the first amendment because that was supposed

676
01:20:31,440 --> 01:20:35,840
to give them protection and they were supposed to be telling us the people what our government

677
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:39,920
was doing it right now all they're doing is telling us what the story what the government wants

678
01:20:40,080 --> 01:20:46,560
to hear so that basically controlling that's the one one way you control thought and thinking

679
01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:53,040
in in a in a country you make sure that only the information you want to be known is no and our

680
01:20:53,040 --> 01:20:58,880
mainstream media is making that possible for our government and and you know just as we heard

681
01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:05,920
earlier today when they when they cut that fellow off from from posting this broadcast why that

682
01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:12,000
that basically is a is a censorship so it's a way of controlling the flow of information to people

683
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:16,720
of the country and so they can make up their own mind and have an informed electorate so they can

684
01:21:16,720 --> 01:21:22,880
when they make it a vote for elections that they do it in an informed way so if you only informed

685
01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:26,320
people in a certain way and that's all they have a basis for making decisions vote on you're

686
01:21:26,320 --> 01:21:32,080
corrupting the entire process and that's fundamentally what our people have been doing and basically

687
01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:42,400
moving as I said to the egalitarian police state okay all right okay we're back on zoom okay

688
01:21:42,400 --> 01:21:56,880
go ahead turn your here us I'm seeing somebody on zoom I'm muted we can't hear you may be muted

689
01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:12,880
your national connection looks like we're not able to I there's Miram

690
01:22:14,880 --> 01:22:23,200
maybe he's got to call back and hear me yeah yeah hello just can hear me yes yep okay

691
01:22:24,080 --> 01:22:30,560
I'm Harley Schlanger I I have a question for Bill the importance of the meeting that you had with

692
01:22:31,200 --> 01:22:38,880
Mike Pompeo you know there are given his recent adventures in London where he's

693
01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:46,640
converting with the very people who are behind Russian gate I think it's urgent that this

694
01:22:46,640 --> 01:22:53,680
be brought up there are people who justify Pompeo doing nothing by saying well he had to

695
01:22:53,680 --> 01:23:00,400
cover it up so that the story would unfold and that the evidence would emerge and it's part of a plan

696
01:23:00,960 --> 01:23:07,600
if that's the plan I would say it's a stupid because of all the damages but secondly people say

697
01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:13,600
well what could he have done and Bill I'd like you to take that up given that he was the CIA director

698
01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:19,200
when you met with him what could he have done to expose the fraud of Russia gate after he met with you

699
01:23:19,840 --> 01:23:27,440
it's my you know like I said earlier all the information we have and the evidence we have is

700
01:23:27,440 --> 01:23:34,000
pointing back to CIA is the operation that was involved in creating this Russia gate so he certainly

701
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:39,920
has the ability to go into another group a special group that that was set up inside CIA according to

702
01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:46,320
another whistleblower in another program the CIA was running to spy on President Trump and the

703
01:23:46,320 --> 01:23:52,800
Republicans and also others in the country that they were concerned with so that also was run

704
01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:59,200
I think in the same group in CIA and he certainly fell within Pompeo's jurisdiction when he was the

705
01:23:59,200 --> 01:24:05,520
director there he could have pointed out created and gone in and found out exactly who was involved

706
01:24:05,520 --> 01:24:12,800
in the creation of this scoops for two character and also the fabrication of the the steel report

707
01:24:12,800 --> 01:24:17,280
and all of that he could have certainly found out all of that and gotten ins into the entire network

708
01:24:17,280 --> 01:24:23,840
in the government that was involved with that process of basically trying to create a coup that was

709
01:24:23,840 --> 01:24:28,720
certainly available to him he had direct access into all the NSA data also he could have taken care

710
01:24:28,720 --> 01:24:34,240
of investigating that and that's not done with oversight by the way so there's no oversight of those

711
01:24:34,240 --> 01:24:38,880
people going in and looking at or the FBI people going in or anything it's only the only oversight

712
01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:43,840
they talked about is like I said earlier the analysts within NSA and that's their concern NSA

713
01:24:43,840 --> 01:24:47,840
storing the data and they've concerned about their allies well they have to be concerned about

714
01:24:47,840 --> 01:24:52,480
a hell a lot more people like in the five eyes country and all the agencies within the government

715
01:24:52,480 --> 01:24:58,720
that Obama gave access to the to the NSA data with you know you know it'd be concerned about all that

716
01:24:58,720 --> 01:25:05,120
because as I told him when I was in the meeting that all his people and his agency all the agencies

717
01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:11,440
community were lying to him and the president and he said he found that hard to believe that

718
01:25:11,440 --> 01:25:16,480
there were people who do that and I said well you don't have to believe me all the S.D.D. is go go read

719
01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:26,560
DODIG report zero five dash intel dash zero three that's the third intel report for 2005

720
01:25:26,560 --> 01:25:31,520
where they went through and they did that investigation on the thin thread program within NSA and they found

721
01:25:31,520 --> 01:25:39,360
all kinds of corruption fraud waste interviews and lying not just to them not just to to the public

722
01:25:39,360 --> 01:25:44,880
but also to the investigators for the IG group and they found that also they had documented evidence

723
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:51,680
of that so I mean this is basically the government seems to be more basically based on lying to

724
01:25:51,680 --> 01:25:56,960
one another to just to get upmanship and a better bigger budget and I managed to work so therefore

725
01:25:56,960 --> 01:26:01,680
I'm better than you or something I don't know it's just it's just some mental impairment that they have

726
01:26:02,480 --> 01:26:08,720
so but those that's documented by an inspector general's reports and so on it's not just to you don't have to

727
01:26:08,720 --> 01:26:14,560
just believe me but I've got the I mean my my problem was when I talked to my said I'm an individual here

728
01:26:14,560 --> 01:26:18,880
and I used Google and various other things to go into the internet to find out all this evidence

729
01:26:19,520 --> 01:26:24,560
I said and we're spending over a hundred billion dollars on the intelligence community agencies every year

730
01:26:25,280 --> 01:26:31,520
and you can't seem to find this information or find out this data I mean we're wasting our money if that's the case

731
01:26:35,920 --> 01:26:43,360
all right yeah I could if I could add one more thing done is yeah one more thing that's important

732
01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:49,120
he kept saying well all all the information NSA has and all that's classified and I saw a

733
01:26:49,120 --> 01:26:55,200
way to minute I said you're not worried about that executive order 135 to 661.7 says you don't you can't

734
01:26:55,200 --> 01:27:00,640
classify evidence of crimes and so on and it's a number of other things in air but if you have evidence of a

735
01:27:00,640 --> 01:27:05,680
crime you can't put a classification on it to cover it up which is what's been going on so

736
01:27:06,640 --> 01:27:12,400
plus I had also said that you know the precedent from the past is when there was a alleged

737
01:27:12,960 --> 01:27:20,720
act of war by another country like in in 1962 with the a cable of missile crisis

738
01:27:21,280 --> 01:27:28,480
President Trump a president Kennedy released the U.2 classified U.2 photographs of Russian

739
01:27:28,480 --> 01:27:35,520
Intermediate Billion Ballistic missiles in Cuba to the UN and to the public and in another case

740
01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:40,240
with President Reagan after the shoot down of the Korean airline over soccer in Ireland

741
01:27:40,480 --> 01:27:49,040
he released the Japanese Trent collection of the ground control of the fighters in the

742
01:27:49,840 --> 01:27:55,120
Russian fighters going after the aircraft and the released the conversation where they said the

743
01:27:55,120 --> 01:28:01,600
order them to shoot the plane down so classificating be damned if you're going to talk about an act of war

744
01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:06,160
you better release something that makes people confident that it is in fact an act of war and they

745
01:28:06,160 --> 01:28:09,680
haven't done any of that and and you can't use that experience well it's classified that's

746
01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:14,320
it's rubbish and you can't call it classified when you're covering up and obstructing crimes

747
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:22,480
that's what I like dad okay okay I think it's answered a lot of things

748
01:28:23,680 --> 01:28:29,760
do we have someone else up on the zoom platform and let me also say we should go to the next person I think

749
01:28:29,760 --> 01:28:36,800
that's Sally and let me also say that for people who just got on several people apparently have

750
01:28:37,440 --> 01:28:42,400
seen to be being joined by scores if not hundreds of people on the YouTube platform

751
01:28:43,520 --> 01:28:48,000
if you're on the zoom platform you can raise your hand and we're trying to get to your question

752
01:28:49,040 --> 01:28:49,360
so

753
01:28:52,000 --> 01:29:00,240
and you hear me again yes yes I can't hi I glad to join it for the fascinating conversation

754
01:29:00,320 --> 01:29:06,160
my question actually goes almost back to the very original question from Anne that I think

755
01:29:06,160 --> 01:29:14,800
both Bill and Barbara responded to and it has to do with if we can't penetrate the the people in

756
01:29:14,800 --> 01:29:21,520
the government because of the I guess basically the white wall wash the white wash wall we can't

757
01:29:21,520 --> 01:29:29,520
penetrate the only person you can get to that would make that difference is um get to Trump

758
01:29:29,680 --> 01:29:36,480
is anybody made that attempt my second question would be do that Anne that all of this all

759
01:29:36,480 --> 01:29:44,480
information we can we can't convince in this divisive I guess democracy in this divisive world

760
01:29:44,480 --> 01:29:50,320
that we're living right now convince those that are not supporting the president they'll just

761
01:29:50,320 --> 01:29:55,600
because they would have to turn over their own bad guys in order to do that and so how do we

762
01:29:55,600 --> 01:30:04,880
penetrate not only that that wall in government so that Trump can fight back because if he

763
01:30:04,880 --> 01:30:11,920
loses this election everything that everybody said today all he evidence is going to be that

764
01:30:11,920 --> 01:30:20,640
much harder to get out and I just I'm just I'm writing for I think from past win first

765
01:30:21,520 --> 01:30:27,200
because all of this is going to be just another 40 year a period of Bill battle

766
01:30:31,520 --> 01:30:33,120
okay once it

767
01:30:35,920 --> 01:30:40,320
well I'm right I simply agree that you think she said yeah I mean that go ahead

768
01:30:41,120 --> 01:30:45,840
but what we've got to do is we've got to attack on every single front

769
01:30:46,800 --> 01:30:54,880
you've got to basically think about the fact that at this point in our history it's a huge fight

770
01:30:54,880 --> 01:31:02,240
but it's also a huge opportunity never before has this apparatus been so totally exposed

771
01:31:04,240 --> 01:31:11,360
you know I I watch back and forth on the internet various groups of people who are following the

772
01:31:12,160 --> 01:31:18,480
and they range in their emotional state from complete despair to a form of optimism

773
01:31:19,360 --> 01:31:24,720
depending on the amount of courage they've actually manifested on any given day to think about

774
01:31:24,720 --> 01:31:29,920
what's got to be done to actually save the Republic and whether they consider the past

775
01:31:29,920 --> 01:31:36,880
too daunting for them and what they keep what they keep and I'm actually optimistic about that

776
01:31:36,880 --> 01:31:42,880
because increasingly what these guys are saying who just you know four weeks ago said

777
01:31:42,880 --> 01:31:49,760
I'm getting my gun I'm moving to you know Montana and I'm waiting for the Civil War and I hope

778
01:31:49,760 --> 01:31:58,800
it doesn't happen are now saying hey we know these things at this point we've got to organize

779
01:31:58,800 --> 01:32:04,720
ourselves to actually get it across we've got to tell every single congressman and senator

780
01:32:05,680 --> 01:32:11,680
my vote in this election is going to be determined about by what how you act on this

781
01:32:13,680 --> 01:32:18,000
you know somebody asked a question about China and and Kurt answered it

782
01:32:18,880 --> 01:32:25,760
the answer I gave previously I think is correct that you know you have an enormous economic

783
01:32:25,760 --> 01:32:34,560
collapse going on worldwide you have a pandemic going on worldwide and the answer to that

784
01:32:34,560 --> 01:32:42,240
by the intelligence community has not been to for example point out to people who in the United

785
01:32:42,240 --> 01:32:51,520
States actually moved our manufacturing capacity over to China who was that rather the answer to

786
01:32:51,520 --> 01:32:57,200
people in the United States is blame China because they come somehow came in here and completely

787
01:32:57,200 --> 01:33:04,480
stole our manufacturing capability from us which of course is nonsense so the point is

788
01:33:04,480 --> 01:33:12,000
that there's levels of deception going on here which you have to sit back and really think about

789
01:33:12,000 --> 01:33:20,720
as a citizen and we have a republic but it is a form of government which depends upon a citizen

790
01:33:20,720 --> 01:33:28,400
read which actually thanks through the fact that they're in charge in reality people look for all

791
01:33:28,400 --> 01:33:33,920
sorts of people in the elite who could we get to come to our side this that and the other no the answer

792
01:33:33,920 --> 01:33:41,840
is President Trump won the election in 2016 because the bulk of the population out there not the

793
01:33:41,840 --> 01:33:51,120
elites in Washington said we've had enough we don't believe this anymore we don't believe what has been

794
01:33:51,120 --> 01:33:56,320
you know said in terms of the economy we don't believe anything that's being told to us

795
01:33:57,600 --> 01:34:03,520
now that group of people has to move to a much higher level and that's dependent upon the people

796
01:34:03,520 --> 01:34:12,560
on this call realizing that they've got a job to do and that they've got to not accept

797
01:34:12,560 --> 01:34:20,160
lies about foreign powers you know essentially creating the basis upon which we have all our

798
01:34:20,160 --> 01:34:28,240
problems in the United States that's nonsense we have problems because we have failed to actually

799
01:34:28,240 --> 01:34:34,400
rebuild our economy and you know a whole group of financiers in Wall Street in the city in London

800
01:34:34,400 --> 01:34:40,720
have stood in in in place of the best intentions of this president to do exactly that

801
01:34:42,400 --> 01:34:47,120
rather than blaming these other countries we should go back to what President Reagan did

802
01:34:47,120 --> 01:34:54,640
with Lyndon Lerouche on the SDI we should go back to the notion that we could actually offer up

803
01:34:55,040 --> 01:35:01,440
the highest levels of science and technology in a joint race to conquer the frontiers of human knowledge

804
01:35:03,520 --> 01:35:09,840
think about that that's a different concept then you know the kind of of nonsense which people are

805
01:35:09,840 --> 01:35:17,840
saying right now and why we have these geopolitical types of conflicts why is it that we're essentially

806
01:35:17,840 --> 01:35:25,600
saying that drug companies are going to get the our inter race for the vaccine for COVID and it's a

807
01:35:25,600 --> 01:35:32,080
geopolitical race as opposed to everybody actually saying hey this is really important for the entire

808
01:35:32,080 --> 01:35:38,960
human race here and what we ought to be doing is collaborating at these frontier levels of

809
01:35:38,960 --> 01:35:45,760
fundamental science so you know I think that's a thought which I'll throw into the discussion at

810
01:35:45,760 --> 01:35:50,160
this point because I think that you know it it presents things on a little bit different level

811
01:35:52,240 --> 01:35:56,720
okay very good so we're going to go back to Diane for a written question and then right back to the zoom

812
01:35:56,720 --> 01:36:03,600
platform so Diane would you go with your question now okay this question comes from

813
01:36:03,600 --> 01:36:12,480
Haligad Zeppler-Rouche founder of the Schiller Institute she writes couldn't the NSA use all of this

814
01:36:12,560 --> 01:36:21,040
information to actually stop the drug production drug traffic money laundering etc as well as terrorism

815
01:36:21,040 --> 01:36:26,480
organized crime major financial fraud like the recent wire cards window

816
01:36:28,880 --> 01:36:34,640
answers pretty simple yes they can all that information's available stored and recoverable from their

817
01:36:35,520 --> 01:36:41,760
databases okay yeah it's really a matter it's it's really a matter of political will

818
01:36:42,960 --> 01:36:46,960
really it is all the information is there as bill is just stated

819
01:36:50,800 --> 01:37:00,000
good so now we go back to the zoom and I think that's Merum is that to it is oh hi

820
01:37:00,720 --> 01:37:06,480
hi there yes this is Merum Suslie okay very good we can use her go ahead

821
01:37:07,680 --> 01:37:13,280
excellent thank you guys just a brief introduction I'm a Syrian Australian political analyst

822
01:37:14,160 --> 01:37:20,160
and commentator and one of the things that the DNC leaks revealed was that Clinton and Robama's

823
01:37:20,160 --> 01:37:27,120
administration were funding our credit terrorist in Syria you guys recall and I believe that

824
01:37:27,120 --> 01:37:33,520
US policy in Syria is largely what contributed to the breakdown of US Russia relations

825
01:37:34,720 --> 01:37:41,840
so you know in 2016 pre-election Trump promised to pull US the US military out of Syria stop funding

826
01:37:41,840 --> 01:37:47,520
terrorists and at the time he said he loves with Klix and now you have the US pursuing charges against

827
01:37:47,520 --> 01:37:55,120
the sun the occupation and sanctions of Syria continue and they are still funding our minters they just

828
01:37:55,120 --> 01:38:02,880
happen to be the PKK and YPG Kurdish terrorist organizations that are led by Klunt so the thesis

829
01:38:02,880 --> 01:38:10,160
that multiple co-attents have pressured Trump into backtracking on these policies for which he got

830
01:38:10,160 --> 01:38:15,920
elected but what are the odds that actually overthrowing the co-attents would really have

831
01:38:16,720 --> 01:38:22,400
for him to revert back to those pre-election promises given how closely is to put Pompeo now

832
01:38:25,760 --> 01:38:34,480
but I think that I think that that may have had some some part in the decisions that he's made but

833
01:38:34,480 --> 01:38:40,960
I think you know he's surrounded by so many warmongers that's the problem that I see warmongers from

834
01:38:40,960 --> 01:38:48,240
Congress like McCain and so on advocating for wars and if you know if you don't like them bomb them

835
01:38:48,240 --> 01:38:54,560
you know it's a policy you know we got these warmongers down there and he's surrounded by so many of them

836
01:38:54,640 --> 01:38:58,000
they're all attacking on a different front and if he did something like that he would

837
01:38:58,000 --> 01:39:02,560
alienate some way anymore so there's probably a good deal of influence there that he needed to

838
01:39:02,560 --> 01:39:08,800
to appease so he tried pulling out as many people as he could but leaving some something back there

839
01:39:08,800 --> 01:39:14,880
some troops back there just to appease the the existing warmongers we have down there but the other

840
01:39:14,880 --> 01:39:20,640
the other point is that the series not the first time we were supporting al Qaeda actually first

841
01:39:20,640 --> 01:39:27,840
started in Afghanistan so you know these people make bad decisions they merely they're really

842
01:39:27,840 --> 01:39:32,400
I mean I don't know what the IQ is inside the beltway in Washington but it can't be very high

843
01:39:36,720 --> 01:39:40,080
Perk you want to say anything on that well yeah I would say

844
01:39:42,720 --> 01:39:46,720
it seems like we have people in government

845
01:39:47,200 --> 01:39:57,760
some who are passively complicit and I would put Congress in that category mostly but it's really

846
01:39:57,760 --> 01:40:10,640
the CIA I believe maybe a little bit of the Pentagon who are actively working to plot and plan

847
01:40:11,280 --> 01:40:19,440
skirmishes in the Middle East and they're operating at this level of I don't know how else to call it

848
01:40:19,440 --> 01:40:30,000
anal retention that that continually gets us embroiled in very mucky dirty cross political

849
01:40:30,000 --> 01:40:37,040
geopolitical situations that are untenable and I think Trump has this belief that we need to

850
01:40:37,120 --> 01:40:46,160
basically extract ourselves from the Middle East and let those cultures live the way they will

851
01:40:46,160 --> 01:40:53,040
naturally evolve and I think that's what he's trying to do but his bill points out with a CIA

852
01:40:53,040 --> 01:41:00,080
who thinks they need to be involved in everything I think Harry Truman is the guy who said let's get

853
01:41:00,160 --> 01:41:04,640
rid of the CIA I think I'm right there with good old Harry

854
01:41:07,920 --> 01:41:14,160
okay I would I would I would I would I could I add one more quote from Harry Truman

855
01:41:15,120 --> 01:41:20,320
he said and this was really good one he said you won't get rich in government unless you're a crook

856
01:41:21,280 --> 01:41:28,560
how many millionaires do we have in Congress okay straight from Harry Truman's mouth

857
01:41:29,280 --> 01:41:33,200
all right great so Bobby you think or are we gonna go to the next one otherwise

858
01:41:33,200 --> 01:41:40,320
well I just think it's necessary to point out that that the British policy from way back

859
01:41:41,280 --> 01:41:49,200
starting with Afghanistan has been to continuously snooker these intellectual lightweights as bill

860
01:41:49,200 --> 01:41:55,360
and curt have described it into various things which are not really in the United States interest

861
01:41:56,320 --> 01:42:05,600
and the effort against Russia really didn't cause a devolving relationship because of Syria

862
01:42:06,320 --> 01:42:12,000
the effort against Russia has been ongoing within the British Commonwealth really going all the way

863
01:42:12,000 --> 01:42:19,680
back to you know beginning in in 2001 2002 as an obsession almost particularly with Putin

864
01:42:20,640 --> 01:42:28,560
and the fact that Putin outflanked them in Syria obviously has caused severe irritation

865
01:42:29,840 --> 01:42:34,880
you know but that was something of an ongoing drive being directed from the British Commonwealth

866
01:42:34,880 --> 01:42:41,200
in terms of the Middle East over a very long period of time and the United States has traditionally

867
01:42:42,160 --> 01:42:48,720
sort of acted like you know the muscle to British brawn as they I mean American brawn to British

868
01:42:48,800 --> 01:42:55,200
brains as they say and we've been significantly snuckered by that whole thing for a number of

869
01:42:55,200 --> 01:43:01,440
years and committed atrocities in our name which have destroyed our ability to even function really

870
01:43:01,440 --> 01:43:07,760
in the rest of the world so that's the great crime and it's something that hopefully by actually

871
01:43:07,760 --> 01:43:14,720
getting at this apparatus and really really concentrating again we have an opportunity here

872
01:43:15,440 --> 01:43:22,560
in which for the first time a lot of this stuff stands very much exposed because Trump simply

873
01:43:22,560 --> 01:43:30,080
hasn't caved despite all of the craziness you know directed at him they've done more and more

874
01:43:30,080 --> 01:43:36,320
and more and each time they try a new approach to knocking him out they expose more and more

875
01:43:36,320 --> 01:43:42,000
and more of the apparatus which is a different way of actually looking at it and a more optimistic way

876
01:43:42,000 --> 01:43:47,520
looking at it and if we just drive right now the point home you see again that wonderful

877
01:43:47,520 --> 01:43:54,160
lever called the ballot box which has a way of sobering up even the most cynical of of these guys

878
01:43:54,160 --> 01:44:00,720
saying you know you're going you're coming home unless you make this a priority to expose in terms

879
01:44:00,720 --> 01:44:08,880
to step around so that would be my answer okay thanks so thank you thank you very much we're going

880
01:44:08,880 --> 01:44:19,120
back to Diane who has another written question yeah okay thank you so someone writes it seems to

881
01:44:19,120 --> 01:44:26,480
me that when heads of state meet things get done they reference the meetings of Abe

882
01:44:27,280 --> 01:44:36,800
moon trumps meetings with various leaders before his talks with North Korea they say but when Trump

883
01:44:36,880 --> 01:44:42,720
wanted to have a phone call with the president of Ukraine it got leaked somehow to the New York times

884
01:44:43,520 --> 01:44:49,600
now we have a proposal on the table from president Putin for a meeting of five heads of state

885
01:44:49,920 --> 01:44:57,360
from the UN Security Council countries and Pompeo and Lavrov have discussed this do you think

886
01:44:58,160 --> 01:45:05,120
that this proposal of the five heads of state meeting is perhaps a target of some of these

887
01:45:05,120 --> 01:45:18,960
operations I'm not quite sure what you mean what what the question it means by a target

888
01:45:19,680 --> 01:45:27,120
who are intelligence or for subversion or for what I certainly think that all the intelligence

889
01:45:27,120 --> 01:45:33,600
agencies would be trying to monitor all the all the all those states who all the leaders of the

890
01:45:33,600 --> 01:45:37,680
states involved and try to find out what they're thinking is I mean that certainly is what

891
01:45:37,680 --> 01:45:43,440
they're but their job would be to do so and I'm sure that's reciprocated by all the other countries

892
01:45:43,440 --> 01:45:48,800
too in the world as much as they possibly can at least to the effect of their ability to do so

893
01:45:51,360 --> 01:46:00,000
that yes yes yes yes I think yes just clearly yes and and again you know you have to look at

894
01:46:00,000 --> 01:46:05,360
the people were targeting here which is a crazy democrats I think more than anybody else because

895
01:46:05,360 --> 01:46:12,640
what is actually being said over and over and over again is Trump is soft on China and he's soft on

896
01:46:12,640 --> 01:46:22,560
Russia and you know that has become a major theme in the Biden campaign and creates kind of an

897
01:46:22,560 --> 01:46:29,920
imperative where no sane meeting about what the world should look like coming out of the pandemic

898
01:46:29,920 --> 01:46:36,720
and coming out of of you know the economic collapse which we're now going through

899
01:46:38,080 --> 01:46:43,680
could or should come about except under the terms which they're explicitly proposing which we

900
01:46:43,680 --> 01:46:48,960
the world should get together and we should have the green new deal and that will solve all of our

901
01:46:48,960 --> 01:46:55,120
problems in a globalist framework so I think the answer is yes you know any type of

902
01:46:55,840 --> 01:47:00,160
state-to-state meeting which would begin to talk on a higher level is definitely target

903
01:47:02,960 --> 01:47:07,760
okay I think we've got one or two more people left on the Zoom platform and after we

904
01:47:07,760 --> 01:47:14,560
that we're going to close out so if you've got the next person I think it's Jim Kavanaugh

905
01:47:14,560 --> 01:47:27,040
that who is the next person in the Zoom and while okay no problem while we're waiting I just

906
01:47:27,040 --> 01:47:34,160
let everybody know that for those who are interested there will be uh well this will be made available

907
01:47:34,160 --> 01:47:38,720
of course right away I think if there's any written questions that have not been answered that you

908
01:47:38,720 --> 01:47:45,920
want to submit please do so and we'll those two to person to whom you address them for answers

909
01:47:49,120 --> 01:47:57,840
okay we can see you okay excuse me yeah my name is Jim Kavanaugh I

910
01:47:57,840 --> 01:48:01,680
log out the polimus is starting at and I publish on counterparts in the polimus is

911
01:48:02,320 --> 01:48:09,440
I'm on a loud and clear and damn necessary on radius button quickly I just want to say

912
01:48:10,720 --> 01:48:18,480
the idea that Donald Trump is some kind of savior from something appears to me as silly and you know

913
01:48:18,480 --> 01:48:25,520
it's like the Democrats thinking that Joe Biden is going to save us or bomb a dead or whatever

914
01:48:25,520 --> 01:48:31,200
Donald Trump clearly is part of the swamp he's not going to drain it he's clearly

915
01:48:32,560 --> 01:48:37,840
committed to the principles of American imperialism and Zionism and he's going to do what's

916
01:48:37,840 --> 01:48:46,480
necessary about that and he has certain ideas he's had certain things that he's done he seems to be

917
01:48:46,560 --> 01:48:56,880
psychologically you know reluctant to go to full full scale war but he's easily pushed into it by

918
01:48:56,880 --> 01:49:02,320
the people around him the people of the deep state that he isn't entirely a part of and

919
01:49:04,320 --> 01:49:10,880
at the end of the day you know as even you have discovered you know you don't go into this

920
01:49:10,880 --> 01:49:15,280
apparatus and give them the evidence and they all they turn around say oh this is one of

921
01:49:15,360 --> 01:49:22,160
their committed to certain things in the world that require militarism and that require

922
01:49:22,160 --> 01:49:26,400
surveillance of everybody and they're going to continue to do it and Donald Trump is nobody's

923
01:49:26,400 --> 01:49:31,440
savior he's not going to save us from this he's part of the problem and it's really silly to kind

924
01:49:31,440 --> 01:49:37,280
of say oh what we got to do is reelect Donald Trump it's not going to do any better you know there's

925
01:49:37,280 --> 01:49:43,360
nothing in his in his history or in his politics or his policies that indicates

926
01:49:44,080 --> 01:49:51,520
even when he's under attack that he understands what to do and is willing to do it

927
01:49:52,640 --> 01:49:59,200
okay great so you have one counterpoint to that basically if you looked at what happened when the

928
01:49:59,200 --> 01:50:05,280
Iranian shut down that on the man drone and the weaponicon was pushing an attack on the on Iran

929
01:50:05,280 --> 01:50:10,720
as a reciprocal action and the president Trump said how many people are we going to kill if we

930
01:50:11,600 --> 01:50:17,440
and they said about 150 and they and he said he refused to do it because you know for the

931
01:50:17,440 --> 01:50:22,080
shooting down of an on our drone we're going to go kill people he said he's not going to do it so

932
01:50:22,080 --> 01:50:27,120
that that does say that he's going to be limited and that was inspired the Pentagon pushing him

933
01:50:27,120 --> 01:50:31,840
and all the warmongers pushing him. I agree I agree and as a leftist I've written

934
01:50:32,480 --> 01:50:40,960
that that was the most resistant that the presidential act that was the most resistant to militarism

935
01:50:40,960 --> 01:50:46,160
since John Kennedy refused their support to the bay of pigs and it has to be recognized this

936
01:50:46,160 --> 01:50:51,840
such and that does one of the things that indicates Trump has it he does I believe have a certain kind

937
01:50:51,840 --> 01:50:58,400
of propensity to avoid but on the other hand he went out and killed filetman general filetman

938
01:50:58,400 --> 01:51:05,760
that was a very nasty act on the other hand he just last week signed a document saying yes I'm

939
01:51:05,760 --> 01:51:12,880
giving the CIA I'm giving the NSA permission to wage cyber warfare without even coming to the White

940
01:51:12,880 --> 01:51:18,800
House or the National Security Council to ask for it right he's and he's going to do every

941
01:51:18,800 --> 01:51:24,000
thing that the Israelis want at the end of the day perhaps because the Pentagon if you look at

942
01:51:24,320 --> 01:51:31,920
the actually if you look at the the news reports about that attack they say that the

943
01:51:31,920 --> 01:51:39,600
Pentagon was not as much on it as Pompeo was it's and Baltimore because the Pentagon knows is

944
01:51:39,600 --> 01:51:44,640
it's going to be a problem if they attack it for a full on military attack but they are

945
01:51:44,640 --> 01:51:51,200
way to war against a war in a very dangerous way and this is the point he's not the sanctions

946
01:51:51,200 --> 01:51:56,560
are designed to push your on into trying to do something into responding so it's a

947
01:51:56,560 --> 01:52:01,840
it's a militaristic and imperialist not from against the military and I'm not right

948
01:52:03,680 --> 01:52:08,800
I don't want to correct you but really we got like a limited time to be this see if you can

949
01:52:08,800 --> 01:52:14,720
I am ready to put those just one of the put those things at a time we go with it just pull out the hook

950
01:52:14,720 --> 01:52:24,080
we're just saying we got the trumpet from here is got my right so anybody else would say

951
01:52:24,080 --> 01:52:28,240
they barbe you have it just that he's just a president Trump is one who likes to address

952
01:52:28,240 --> 01:52:32,880
problems and attack them and one way or another so I think in the militaristic time he's trying to

953
01:52:32,880 --> 01:52:37,520
pull back from that fair fairly clear to me that that's what he's underlying theme is I don't see

954
01:52:37,520 --> 01:52:42,720
that I see him fighting these militarists all around so I think you see only hope the rest of them

955
01:52:42,720 --> 01:52:48,800
went along with it the rest of them got us into all these endless wars okay all right great so

956
01:52:48,800 --> 01:52:58,080
thank you for what you said and we can take it up more all right

957
01:52:58,640 --> 01:53:03,280
actually yeah yeah let's go to Diane I think you've got another written question right

958
01:53:03,280 --> 01:53:08,880
I think we're going to go to you and more and some good okay it's a follow up from how to get

959
01:53:08,880 --> 01:53:17,200
it's a lourouche I think she's the one something done she says so if the NSA has all this information

960
01:53:17,200 --> 01:53:22,960
couldn't anyone who wants to go after drug production drug trafficking money-londer terrorism

961
01:53:23,760 --> 01:53:30,240
could demand or force the NSA to provide that information through the cream of information act

962
01:53:30,800 --> 01:53:38,160
rather than have the NSA the defecto being complicit with all these crimes so she says what is your

963
01:53:38,640 --> 01:53:44,560
advice on this? I would say yes that's that's exactly what should be done that we should

964
01:53:44,560 --> 01:53:50,480
in some way do a motion to get the courts to force this kind of information out after all

965
01:53:51,040 --> 01:53:55,600
what he what they have is evidence of a crime and they are by executive order one three five

966
01:53:55,600 --> 01:54:01,040
two six section one point seven not allowed to classify criminal activity and hide it at behind a

967
01:54:01,040 --> 01:54:07,200
classified stamp so that certainly is the way I've been advocating that we use this executive order

968
01:54:07,280 --> 01:54:13,120
which governs all classification for the United States government right that that that that they use that

969
01:54:13,120 --> 01:54:19,280
as a as a lever to force this kind of information out of them including including all this internal

970
01:54:19,280 --> 01:54:25,440
corruption and fraud and waste and all of that that's going on yeah I you know that really should be

971
01:54:25,440 --> 01:54:31,600
we should we need to put motions into the court to force that out and I put it agree with that totally

972
01:54:31,680 --> 01:54:40,320
okay all right very good so I think we're back at the zoom platform I'm not entirely sure

973
01:54:40,320 --> 01:54:44,560
what our situation is I know we're a little bit limited on time but let's see if we can get

974
01:54:44,560 --> 01:54:51,760
everything everybody gets still in the platform so the have is it who do you have the album or

975
01:54:51,760 --> 01:55:01,040
we have silly silly can you me well okay go right ahead wherever do we ever we have

976
01:55:02,320 --> 01:55:10,880
any any yes yes yes hello everyone this is Kim dot com

977
01:55:13,680 --> 01:55:23,120
Bill I have a question to you and it has nothing to do with the DNC leak okay but with with your expertise

978
01:55:23,520 --> 01:55:30,800
from your time at the NSA and what you're understanding is of the five eyes partnership

979
01:55:32,480 --> 01:55:39,520
it's well known I think known to you that I'm under indictment in the U.S. that the U.S. wants to

980
01:55:39,520 --> 01:55:49,520
exudite me from New Zealand and that in the process of getting there the GCSB which is one

981
01:55:49,600 --> 01:55:58,000
member of the five eyes in New Zealand has spied on me through my efforts and the courts

982
01:55:58,560 --> 01:56:06,400
were able to discover that and the Prime Minister of New Zealand apologised to me for that illegal act

983
01:56:06,400 --> 01:56:15,360
because the GCSB is not allowed to spy on their own citizens now my understanding is

984
01:56:16,000 --> 01:56:26,080
that it is the same in the United States which is not allowed to take full content from communications

985
01:56:26,080 --> 01:56:34,320
of Americans is that correct that's correct I mean that's it and it's like it's violation of

986
01:56:34,320 --> 01:56:43,760
fourth amendment yes but to the NSA is allowed to spy on everyone else full take outside of the United

987
01:56:43,840 --> 01:56:53,200
States that's correct correct so what happened here in New Zealand in my case the GCSB was not allowed

988
01:56:53,200 --> 01:56:59,920
to spy on New Zealanders I was in New Zealand residents who I fall with in that category yep

989
01:57:00,800 --> 01:57:10,320
what they did to spy on me is they used X key score the tool that Edward Snowden has

990
01:57:10,960 --> 01:57:18,880
toward us about which is basically a Google search for everything that's on the spy

991
01:57:19,680 --> 01:57:26,960
cloud but actually I think they used the IC reach program and the reason they did that because the IC

992
01:57:26,960 --> 01:57:33,440
reach program is for the five eyes interrogation of the collective database that NSA has for all of them

993
01:57:34,240 --> 01:57:38,880
it includes all their citizens and everything so they came they went into the if you look at

994
01:57:38,880 --> 01:57:45,840
up do a Google on the IC reach NSA IC reach program and you'll see the the diagrams of how they

995
01:57:45,840 --> 01:57:51,520
do this and how they were set up to do it it includes the internal agencies the U.S. government

996
01:57:51,520 --> 01:57:59,440
as well as the five eyes countries yeah and if I can it gives them a greater reach into the

997
01:57:59,440 --> 01:58:05,600
database in other words this database partition if you use X key score you have limited access

998
01:58:05,600 --> 01:58:10,640
to the data there's a partition that there's like for example only I'm sure that all the

999
01:58:10,640 --> 01:58:16,560
domestic collection inside the U.S. is not part of the access of it is not accessible by X

1000
01:58:16,560 --> 01:58:23,280
key score but it is by IC reach you see yep so we we know all this because we had discovery

1001
01:58:24,400 --> 01:58:32,000
and we were given the interface that was used to type in my phone number

1002
01:58:32,960 --> 01:58:41,040
and it was classified as selector data so my phone number was the selected data they typed it into

1003
01:58:41,040 --> 01:58:51,040
that interface and then they were given access to all my communications that the NSA

1004
01:58:51,040 --> 01:58:58,480
while the five eyes partner have ever gathered about me in their entire history of full take

1005
01:58:58,640 --> 01:59:07,200
collection now the question that I have here I think it's the most dangerous and also most

1006
01:59:07,200 --> 01:59:16,000
interesting question that I have not seen anyone ask at all if New Zealand was able to access the

1007
01:59:16,000 --> 01:59:25,680
collective spike out to circumvent their own laws of spying against New Zealand residents what makes

1008
01:59:26,160 --> 01:59:37,360
you think or how do you feel about the U.S. doing with GCHQ in the UK where the UK has full

1009
01:59:37,360 --> 01:59:45,520
take access on U.S. citizens because their law does not prohibit spying on all U.S. citizens

1010
01:59:45,520 --> 01:59:54,880
yep and then the U.S. simply uses the merged spike load to then get access to anything that the

1011
01:59:54,880 --> 02:00:05,360
UK has taken from U.S. citizens and therefore circumventing domestic legislation that prohibits

1012
02:00:05,360 --> 02:00:10,320
that activity. Yes and that's one of the reasons that I've been

1013
02:00:10,320 --> 02:00:15,760
complaining about lack of oversight the oversight of all this stuff in terms of the collection

1014
02:00:15,760 --> 02:00:19,920
of all the countries involved there are like about nine other countries that participate other

1015
02:00:19,920 --> 02:00:26,960
than the five I said collecting the state into this common database and you know there is no oversight

1016
02:00:26,960 --> 02:00:30,960
of any of the interrogations of any of those countries into it the only oversight we hear talk about

1017
02:00:30,960 --> 02:00:37,840
is the oversight of NSA analysts looking at that data because it's that database is resident and NSA

1018
02:00:37,840 --> 02:00:42,320
but it doesn't tell you what all the others are doing internally agencies in the U.S. government

1019
02:00:42,320 --> 02:00:48,960
or agencies from the GCHQ or CSE are any of them any of the five I say can all get into this data

1020
02:00:48,960 --> 02:00:54,480
and even the other countries can get into parts of the data to using the X key score program.

1021
02:00:54,480 --> 02:00:59,440
So and there's no oversight or watching on any of that and there's no and that's why I've been

1022
02:00:59,440 --> 02:01:03,280
arguing that we should have used the principles we set up in the thin thread program

1023
02:01:03,280 --> 02:01:07,600
then all of the state is the data about you or anything else unless you had a warrant on you

1024
02:01:07,600 --> 02:01:10,560
would never be in that database and no one could abuse it.

1025
02:01:11,200 --> 02:01:18,240
Tret. Okay very good. So what we're going to do is we're going to take another three

1026
02:01:18,960 --> 02:01:24,000
questions there are a lot more coming in but I think we're going to have to limit it I will say

1027
02:01:24,960 --> 02:01:33,440
that there are other things going on if you are in touch with us in various ways if you contact us

1028
02:01:34,720 --> 02:01:39,440
I know there's a conference called the bill and Kirk and Barbara will be addressing tonight

1029
02:01:39,440 --> 02:01:44,480
and find out about that and their other activities as well. I've got one question I'm going to read

1030
02:01:44,480 --> 02:01:53,280
which is from an Argentinian journalist by the name of Dario Minskuss and the question is straight

1031
02:01:53,280 --> 02:02:01,200
for it it is are you people suffering in the United States a color revolution like the Middle East

1032
02:02:02,480 --> 02:02:07,440
are repeated are you people suffering in the United States a color revolution like that of the Middle

1033
02:02:07,760 --> 02:02:15,840
East. We would like to take that. What's the word before revolution?

1034
02:02:16,640 --> 02:02:24,320
Color revolution. Barbara would you like to do like to operate so Kirk knows what that refer to.

1035
02:02:25,520 --> 02:02:31,680
What's been referred to their courtesy idea of the types of coups which the United States has

1036
02:02:31,680 --> 02:02:40,880
conducted in other countries using various colors like the white rose the you know various things

1037
02:02:40,880 --> 02:02:46,880
which have been run through project democracy and I don't know why their curtain bill want to answer

1038
02:02:46,880 --> 02:02:51,760
that I think it's different than a color revolution I think the color revolution part of this

1039
02:02:52,400 --> 02:02:58,000
was the pink pussycat feminist march which greeted the president when he was first elected.

1040
02:02:58,560 --> 02:03:04,000
I think what's going on in the United States at this point is appropriately called a full scale

1041
02:03:04,000 --> 02:03:11,200
insurrection which as opposed to a color revolution which kind of is a is a circumstance

1042
02:03:11,200 --> 02:03:16,480
devent for a period of months it's been very clear that we've been going through this for four

1043
02:03:16,480 --> 02:03:22,720
years in an escalating fashion. So I call it an insurrection rather than a color revolution although

1044
02:03:22,880 --> 02:03:35,520
it's tempting to use that historical analogy. Okay great we did that. All right then let's go back to

1045
02:03:35,520 --> 02:03:40,960
Zoom and I understand one person that didn't it was able to get an audio but I believe I have an email

1046
02:03:40,960 --> 02:03:46,960
from Celia so I'm going to try to get and read her email so if you can go back to the Zoom platform

1047
02:03:47,040 --> 02:04:01,760
and we see who we have there a moment. If you still need time I found the question I believe

1048
02:04:08,640 --> 02:04:13,280
this is Celia's questions all I'll ask this while we bring up the Zoom platform.

1049
02:04:14,160 --> 02:04:23,440
I ask this virus is in quotes since the mid-80s are used now as major geopolitical and

1050
02:04:23,440 --> 02:04:31,040
economic weapons. Now as radical revolutionary tools for social engineering and ever new forms

1051
02:04:31,040 --> 02:04:39,440
of surveillance and force compliance various new tyrannies are you aware of this as a shift in the

1052
02:04:39,440 --> 02:04:45,040
way that America can be attacked which you in such a case be willing to say who or what forces

1053
02:04:45,040 --> 02:04:50,640
do you believe or behind this what can America do now this this is not saying that the virus is

1054
02:04:50,640 --> 02:04:54,720
not real or something like that about coronavirus but this is sort of a broader question about

1055
02:04:55,440 --> 02:05:00,800
you know political viruses you know pestivances you like you as a reader things like that. So

1056
02:05:01,440 --> 02:05:08,480
that's the question anybody want to take it okay Kirk at his hand up. Yeah let me just briefly

1057
02:05:08,480 --> 02:05:21,120
say that biological and chemical warfare has for decades been recognized as a feasible way of

1058
02:05:21,120 --> 02:05:28,480
conducting warfare. So I don't think the notion that coronavirus could be such a weapon

1059
02:05:30,080 --> 02:05:38,080
inadvertently or on purpose unleashed. But the concept is certainly one

1060
02:05:38,080 --> 02:05:45,440
that's been around a long time so I don't think it's novel if you will and we should keep an

1061
02:05:45,440 --> 02:05:53,360
open mind there's some evidence that the virus was in fact engineered its DNA was tinkered with

1062
02:05:54,080 --> 02:06:00,960
and then the question is was the release accidental or purposeful don't know the answer to that

1063
02:06:01,040 --> 02:06:09,200
maybe time will tell. Okay all right let's go back to zoom are we on now?

1064
02:06:10,560 --> 02:06:22,320
We are very good go ahead sir can you hear it? Yes yes I can I would like to ask one question and first of all

1065
02:06:22,320 --> 02:06:29,360
to congratulate you for this fantastic conversation that we've been having here. My question is

1066
02:06:29,440 --> 02:06:40,640
is this in view of the coronavirus pandemic will the elections in the United States take place in

1067
02:06:40,640 --> 02:06:47,520
November or is there a possibility that they may be postponed for a later time as happened

1068
02:06:47,520 --> 02:06:57,680
in some European countries? I personally rather doubt that it would be delayed simply because it's

1069
02:06:57,760 --> 02:07:03,040
the law to have the election then you know I think there's one way or the other.

1070
02:07:05,840 --> 02:07:17,520
Yeah I would add that the underlying story that is not well known or appreciated

1071
02:07:17,840 --> 02:07:30,640
by the masses is that the United States system of elections is fraught with problems.

1072
02:07:31,680 --> 02:07:39,840
Full of problems I don't care what part of it you talk about it is run by the individual states

1073
02:07:39,920 --> 02:07:48,000
it's not a federal issue the federal government and issue guidelines it can throw money at the

1074
02:07:48,000 --> 02:07:55,840
states but the states basically make their own beds and I'm going to tell you it's an area of neglect

1075
02:07:55,840 --> 02:08:04,240
the states have not as a whole maintain their election systems whether it's software updates whether

1076
02:08:04,400 --> 02:08:15,120
it's updating computer technologies so the opportunities for cheating are many the registered

1077
02:08:15,120 --> 02:08:24,320
voter database is not uniformly updated so we have dead people sent ballots we have people voting

1078
02:08:24,320 --> 02:08:33,600
who are dead or otherwise not in a legal position to vote so it's not so much the coronavirus that

1079
02:08:33,680 --> 02:08:44,000
is a certainly a a complicating factor it's many people in the know are predicting chaos

1080
02:08:44,720 --> 02:08:53,520
in November what the election is going to take place with many races possibly thrown into the

1081
02:08:53,600 --> 02:09:04,560
US court system we won't know who won for perhaps a long time one one complementary question to

1082
02:09:04,560 --> 02:09:12,560
that in my country Greece we have refused to do the electronic vote we vote by paper

1083
02:09:13,360 --> 02:09:20,720
and it's the most effective way why don't you do that in the United States and solve many

1084
02:09:20,720 --> 02:09:30,080
issues that I think we do in your much every good yeah it's absolutely right yeah that's right

1085
02:09:31,760 --> 02:09:39,040
I think that's President Trump was advocating a paper ballot yeah okay thank you very much

1086
02:09:39,040 --> 02:09:43,520
so we're going to go to Diane for a final printed question I think it comes from the people that

1087
02:09:43,520 --> 02:09:52,720
got knocked off before if you're the Diane yes I'm here Joe Hawk from Gateway Pundit which

1088
02:09:52,720 --> 02:09:57,680
shortly after we announced they've been shut down was able to get back on but I think it's just

1089
02:09:57,680 --> 02:10:05,280
the coincidence anyway they're asking about Seth Rich does the deep state have any information

1090
02:10:05,280 --> 02:10:13,280
he talked to WikiLeaks as has been reported well there are reports yeah

1091
02:10:13,280 --> 02:10:20,720
there are reports that was true I assume that he's addressing the sirech comments in a

1092
02:10:21,680 --> 02:10:30,480
elicidly recorded a record of recording of his conversation where he said the FBI had a report that

1093
02:10:30,480 --> 02:10:37,760
said that exam and Seth Rich is computer and found communication between Seth and WikiLeaks but

1094
02:10:38,080 --> 02:10:44,240
that's not come out I mean I don't know why well I don't know why the president says in order

1095
02:10:44,240 --> 02:10:51,120
that the FBI to follow up with that and say whether that's true or not he's not he's not done that

1096
02:10:51,120 --> 02:10:55,280
I mean if he orders them and they don't follow it he can just simply fire them because of a

1097
02:10:55,280 --> 02:11:00,480
forensic for in subordination and hire the next guy and say release it or else you know that's the

1098
02:11:00,480 --> 02:11:06,240
way he could do that and I think that's primarily what has to happen here because the FBI is involved

1099
02:11:06,240 --> 02:11:11,520
in so much cover up in this activity not just of the of that they haven't followed the

1100
02:11:11,520 --> 02:11:18,480
investigations far as I know and but also you know they're they're covering up a lot that they know

1101
02:11:18,480 --> 02:11:24,960
about the rustic issue and all this business they actually help pay for steel at one point

1102
02:11:25,920 --> 02:11:30,800
and I don't know whether it was directly for the dossier or not but for him as an agent to work with

1103
02:11:30,800 --> 02:11:36,960
them so you know and the government needs to be ordered to do things and if their level of management

1104
02:11:36,960 --> 02:11:41,280
refuses they need to be fired and just get other ones in and finally eventually after you fire

1105
02:11:41,280 --> 02:11:46,640
so many somebody will find the actually wants to do the job and do it right and they'll comply

1106
02:11:48,480 --> 02:11:54,960
and I think it's also true that there's been a FOIA to the National Security Agency

1107
02:11:55,840 --> 02:12:02,560
just as a hell golery point it out doesn't the NSA have a large repository of information

1108
02:12:02,560 --> 02:12:10,240
well just what the NSA responded in terms of the question do they have any documents related to the

1109
02:12:10,240 --> 02:12:19,200
Seth Rich affair and the answer was yes they have about 32 pages but it's classified so again

1110
02:12:19,200 --> 02:12:28,560
this black box of classification is being used to cover up facts related to a crime in my book

1111
02:12:28,560 --> 02:12:35,040
that's a violation of the Executive Order governing classification so we should be hopeful

1112
02:12:35,040 --> 02:12:42,400
and we should push and in asking everyone an authority why don't you release what you know

1113
02:12:42,400 --> 02:12:51,280
about the Seth Rich matter yep all right very good I think we should probably at this point go

1114
02:12:51,280 --> 02:12:56,000
to some reason and Barbara I think we should start with you it's also if you have anything to say about

1115
02:12:56,000 --> 02:13:02,880
that other matter you could say that and make it to some restatement at this point also well again

1116
02:13:02,880 --> 02:13:09,920
the key the key to the Seth Rich mystery really does rest with Julian Assange and Craig Murray

1117
02:13:09,920 --> 02:13:17,600
and the people around WikiLeaks aside from whatever was recorded from Irish's conversations

1118
02:13:20,000 --> 02:13:27,360
and you know the very fact that our Justice Department is pursuing this case this phony case

1119
02:13:28,480 --> 02:13:34,400
set up by people who have been fired from the Justice Department for their participation

1120
02:13:34,400 --> 02:13:43,440
in the coup like Dana Vowente the former chief counsel for the FBI is just indicative of how far

1121
02:13:43,440 --> 02:13:49,280
we have to go here and again you know I bring it back to what we've been talking about all along

1122
02:13:49,280 --> 02:13:58,800
it's the information is there there is a ton of it if people you know simply look it up

1123
02:13:58,800 --> 02:14:04,960
and and and look what was published already and all of these things look at the Flynn case look

1124
02:14:04,960 --> 02:14:12,720
at Roger Stone's case look at what the congressional hearings released of of stuff that was already

1125
02:14:12,720 --> 02:14:21,520
known way back in 2017 prior to Robert Mueller and that's a whole other area here which has not

1126
02:14:21,520 --> 02:14:28,720
been taken up these phony prosecutions and the lawyers the top level of the Justice Department

1127
02:14:29,520 --> 02:14:36,320
remember what's been investigated so far in the Department of Justice is only the FBI role

1128
02:14:37,200 --> 02:14:45,120
and this entire fiasco what has not been investigated is the lawyers who actually facilitated all

1129
02:14:45,120 --> 02:14:52,000
of this who told the FBI this you can do and this you can't do we also have to come back and

1130
02:14:52,000 --> 02:14:58,560
focus on that January 5th meeting at the White House which very clearly involved Biden at

1131
02:14:58,560 --> 02:15:05,680
a volatile bomber and involved Susan Rice all of them plotting to get Michael Flynn out of the way

1132
02:15:05,680 --> 02:15:13,120
why was Michael Flynn targeted because out of everybody who was coming in and then Trump administration

1133
02:15:14,640 --> 02:15:21,200
he was the only guy who knew his way around the intelligence community from Trump standpoint potentially

1134
02:15:22,320 --> 02:15:27,520
and he what was talking about precisely some of the things which we've been talking about today

1135
02:15:27,520 --> 02:15:34,160
he was talking about a complete audit of the US intelligence community and a complete

1136
02:15:34,160 --> 02:15:44,000
redoing of everything that was going on so it comes back to the fact that there's a lot of stuff

1137
02:15:44,000 --> 02:15:50,880
out there which people already know and you have to basically I hope today's conversation

1138
02:15:50,960 --> 02:15:56,800
would be something like a thunder clap which should hit you over the head and essentially say

1139
02:15:56,800 --> 02:16:01,760
the countries that stay here really the question of war and peace is at stake here

1140
02:16:02,320 --> 02:16:06,320
and we've got to make the reforms we've been talking about today and do them very quickly

1141
02:16:07,840 --> 02:16:15,280
okay Bill well I just like to say that there are ways and means to do to succeed at stopping

1142
02:16:15,280 --> 02:16:20,720
all kinds of criminal activity in a constitutional way and our government is not doing

1143
02:16:21,600 --> 02:16:26,240
and in fact they've been so they have such an insesuous relationship between the agencies that they

1144
02:16:26,240 --> 02:16:33,120
conspired to do as attempted coup against the dolly elected president now to me this entire set of

1145
02:16:33,120 --> 02:16:40,080
situation and what the FBI and the police are doing with this data is basically putting our country

1146
02:16:40,080 --> 02:16:44,800
and I would go back to the to the Lincoln quote that Barbara mentioned earlier

1147
02:16:45,440 --> 02:16:50,800
it's a question now whether we are a country of the people by the people and for the people

1148
02:16:50,800 --> 02:16:56,400
anymore or we're going this government and Republic will perish from the earth that's really

1149
02:16:56,400 --> 02:17:05,680
what's at stake here all right Kirk yes we're in an age and an an incident that

1150
02:17:05,680 --> 02:17:13,760
talk about living in the moment right now before our eyes where the classification and let me say

1151
02:17:13,840 --> 02:17:23,280
misclassification misutilization of the term its classified is being used to protect

1152
02:17:24,080 --> 02:17:33,440
and advance corrupt processes corrupt interests within the United States government and until this

1153
02:17:33,520 --> 02:17:43,360
cancer is removed it remains the biggest threat today to our form of government it must be dealt

1154
02:17:43,360 --> 02:17:53,280
with directly and harshly and frankly I'm worried extremely worried whether or not we will

1155
02:17:53,280 --> 02:18:03,200
actually hear the truth and keep hold the illegal parties responsible it's a big question mark

1156
02:18:03,760 --> 02:18:10,640
will we find the guts to do what needs to be done for the sake of the nation

1157
02:18:12,720 --> 02:18:18,480
so I want to thank William Ditty for our baborit Kurt wevey being with us today we want to thank

1158
02:18:18,480 --> 02:18:25,520
everybody for joining us today we obviously have a job to do I think in part we did it today

1159
02:18:25,520 --> 02:18:30,560
I think we should continue this kind of development and expansion of a dialogue among Americans

1160
02:18:30,560 --> 02:18:35,600
including with contrasting and conflicting views I think we had a little bit of that today we should

1161
02:18:35,600 --> 02:18:42,000
have more of it they the moment that we find ourselves in but they mostly connected group of

1162
02:18:42,000 --> 02:18:48,720
crises that we're confronted with brings to mind something that we have to think about and in the

1163
02:18:48,720 --> 02:18:55,200
words of Shakespeare's joyous Caesar there's a tide in the affairs of men which taken at the flood

1164
02:18:55,280 --> 02:19:02,720
leads on the fortune omitted all the voyage of their life is bound up in shallows and in miseries

1165
02:19:02,720 --> 02:19:09,680
on such a full sea are we now afloat and we must take the current when it serves or eluse our

1166
02:19:09,680 --> 02:19:16,800
venture and our venture is the American government itself we have no choice we have to fight now

1167
02:19:16,800 --> 02:19:22,720
this is not a partisan question this is a question to principle and the issue is that if

1168
02:19:22,800 --> 02:19:29,520
American citizenship is to mean more than it meant to the subjects of Rome who only called

1169
02:19:29,520 --> 02:19:36,000
themselves citizens it is our moment to prove that that is the case it's a moment our moment to prove

1170
02:19:36,000 --> 02:19:44,000
that this is our time and therefore government of by and for the people did not perish from the earth

1171
02:19:44,000 --> 02:19:50,720
so I want to thank everybody for joining us and there will be a next time I will assure you

1172
02:19:50,720 --> 02:19:56,560
and we hope that in that next time things will be better than they are today