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Alright, so I suggested to you last class that human beings have world as a place of action

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through the lens of their social cognitive biological substructure.

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And I made that argument on the basis of the supposition that our primary environment

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was actually other people.

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And I mentioned to you, I believe that those other people are arranged in hierarchies of influence

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of end authority or power or dominance, which is often how it's construed.

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And that the dominance hierarchy as a structure is at least 300 million years old, which

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makes it older than trees.

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And it's for that reason that you share the same neurobiology to govern your observations

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of your position in the hierarchy as lobsters do, which is a remarkable fact.

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You know, it's a remarkable that the lobster uses serotonin as the mechanism to adjudicate

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its status position and that modifying the serotonin function in the lobster can produce

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changes in its behavior can can over help the lobster overcome defeat for example,

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which is very much equivalent to what happens to a human being when they take anti-depressants.

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You know, it's a good example of the conservation of biological structure by evolution and

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another good illustration of the continuity of life on earth.

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It's really amazing, but the other thing it is, a testament to is the ancient nature

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of the social structure.

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Now we tend to think of the social structure as something other than nature, right?

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Because society is, I suppose, mythologically opposed, it's opposed in a narrative way,

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cultures opposed to nature.

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It's the town in the forest.

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But the town has been around a long time, so to speak, and the structure of the town is also part

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of nature in that the dominance hierarchy is part of nature.

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Because it's so ancient, you have to consider it as part of the mechanism that has played the role of selection

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in the process of natural selection.

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And so roughly, what seems to happen is that there is a plethora of dominance hierarchies,

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especially in complex human communities, and many of them are masculine in structure

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in that there are dominance hierarchies that primarily men compete in, or that has been the historical norm,

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and that some men rise to the top based on whatever the dominance hierarchy is based on,

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and they make their preferential mates, and it's a good strategy for women to engage in,

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because why, and many sorts of female animals do precisely this, is they let the males battle it out,

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and then pick from the top, or often the dominant males.

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There's no choice on the part of the females, it's the dominant males just chasing away the subordinate males,

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but with humans, it's usually the case that the females have the opportunity to do it at least some choosing.

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And so, if you think about that, what that implies is that we have evolved to climb up dominance hierarchies,

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and then I would say it's not exactly that even, because there are many different dominance hierarchies,

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and so the skills that you might use to climb up one might not be necessarily the same skills that you would use to climb up another,

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and so then I would say what we have evolved for, instead, and I'm still speaking mostly on the masculine edge of things historically speaking,

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is the ability to climb up the set of all possible dominance hierarchies, right?

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And that's a whole different idea, it's like the average hierarchy across vast spans of time,

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and I think it's for that reason that we, among others, that we evolve general intelligence,

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because general intelligence is a general problem-solving mechanism, and it seems to be situation independent, so to speak,

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and of course there's been an arms race for the development of intelligence between men and women,

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because each gender has to keep up with the other, and women have their own dominance hierarchies.

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There's certainly no doubt about that, and of course, now men and women more increasingly compete within the same hierarchies,

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and we don't exactly know how to sort that out yet, because it's an extraordinarily new phenomena.

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But in any case, because of the permanence of the dominance hierarchy, it is come to be represented in fundamental narratives,

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because human beings, and this is something that we share everywhere, it's the thing the Wall Street banker shares with the Calahary Kung Bushman,

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who are among the genetically speaking, they seem to be very close to what the original human beings were like in Africa before the diaspora,

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about 50,000 years ago, but both of those people, despite their vast differences, live in communities that have a hierarchical structure,

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that are composed of individuals that are embedded in a natural world.

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The world outside of the dominance hierarchy, and so that's the standard human environment, I would say,

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and so stories that rely on the representations of those environments and their interactions are what you might describe as universal stories,

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and that's why people can understand them, and I would say further, and this is drawing substantially on, say,

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derivations of the work of Carl Jung, because I think he delved into this more deeply than anyone else, so a lot of this stuff is quite Jungian in its origins.

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We, the commonality between human beings, so you know, you have to have commonalities in order to communicate, right,

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axiomatic commonalities, because otherwise you have to explain everything, and so there's many things that human beings don't have to explain to one another.

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We don't have to explain anger, we don't have to explain jealousy, we don't have to explain fear, we don't have to explain pain, we don't have to explain joy,

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we don't have to explain love, etc., those are built into us, and so there are predicates of being human,

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and you could say that those human predicates and the standard human environment produce standard narratives,

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and then you could say even further, and this is more of a leap I would say, is that those who act out the role of the Victor in those standard narratives are precisely the people who attain victory in life,

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and I would say, biologically defined in that they make more attractive partners, but also I believe that there's an alignment between human well-being, which is a very weak word,

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and participation in these meta narratives that drive success, because, well, do you want to be a failure or a success?

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Well, it's hard to be a success, you have to adopt a lot of responsibility, and so you might be willing to take your chances as a failure,

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but I can't exactly, I'm not going to make the presumption that that's going to put you in a situation, other than one where you experience a lot of frustration,

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anger, disappointment, depression, pain, and anxiety at the bottom of the heap, and so generally that's not what people are aiming for,

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although under certain circumstances, if people don't like responsibility, and are willing to take their chances,

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they might take the irresponsibility and its apparent freedoms over the necessity of thinking things through the medium and long run.

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Anyways, we stopped here, I just suggested to you that one of the primary narrative representations was the known or culture, or order, I think those, or the exploratory,

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or the dominance hierarchy, I think those things are basically interchangeable from a representational perspective, and in the movie, the Lion King,

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that's represented by Pride Rock, which is this central place of orientation, founded on Rock, which is the sort of thing that people embed their memories in,

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that's why we make sculptures and gravestones and that sort of things, Rock stands for permanent, and to have Rock under your feet is to be on a solid foundation,

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and that's a pyramid in some sense in that movie, and the pyramid has topped by the King and Queen and they're offspring, so that's the divine couple,

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that's one way of thinking about it, and Simba, of course, is the newborn hero, and you understand that, even though it's lions and drawings of lions at that,

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and animals are acting it out, it's completely irrelevant to you that those characters happen to be animated, and that what you're watching is a fiction.

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So, and I would say to you, with regards to fiction, you know, you might say, well, is fiction true, or not, and the answer to that is, yes and no,

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it's not true in that the events portrayed in fiction occurred in the world, they didn't, but their fiction is true the same way numbers are true, I would say, like, you know,

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if you have one apple and one orange and one banana, the common melody between all of those three is one, and you might say, well, is one as real as one fruit,

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is the abstraction one as real as one fruit, and I would say it depends on what you mean by real, but representing things mathematically and abstractly gives you incredible power,

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and you could make the case that the abstraction is actually more real than the phenomena that it represents, and certainly mathematicians would make that case,

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they would say that mathematics is in some sense more real than the phenomenal world, and, you know, you don't have to believe that,

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mostly it's a matter of choice in some sense, but you can't deny the fact that an abstraction has enough reality so that if you're proficient in using it,

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you can really, you can change the world and then insanely powerful ways, you know, I mean all the computation equipment you people are using are dependent on the abstractions one and zero, essentially, and I mean look at what emerges from that,

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and so I would say with regards to fiction, if you take someone like Dosteewski, you would think, it's a favorite of mine by the way, I would highly recommend that you read all five of his great novels because they are unparalleled in their cycle of life,

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in their psychological depth, and so if you're interested in psychology, Dosteewski is the person for you, told stories more of a sociologist, but Dosteewski, man, he gets right down into the bottom of the questions and messes around,

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transformative reading. Anyways, Dosteewski's characters, this character named Raskolnikov, is a character in crime and punishment,

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and Raskolnikov is a materialist rationalist, I would say, which was a rather new type of person back in the 1880s, and he was sort of taken by the idea that God was dead and took and convinced himself that the only reason that he,

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that anyone acted in a moral way, in a traditional way, was because of cowardice, they were unable to remove from them the restrictions of mere convention and act in the manner of someone who rose above the norm,

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and so he's tortured by these ideas, he's half starving, he's lost to him, he doesn't have enough to eat, he doesn't have much money, and so he's not thinking all that clearly either,

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and it's got a lot of family problems, his mother's sick, and she can't spend a much money in his sister, his planning to engage in a marriage that's loveless to someone who's rather tyrannical,

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who he hopes will provide the family with enough money so that he can continue in law school, and they write him brave letters, telling him that she's very much in love with this guy,

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but he is smart enough to read between the lines and realizes that his sister is just planning to prostitute herself in an altruistic manner,

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and he's not very happy with that, and then at the same time, as all this is happening, he becomes aware of this pawn broker who he's,

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you know, pawning his last possessions to, and she's a horrible person, and not only by his estimation, she pawns a lot of things for the neighborhood,

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and people really don't like her, she's grasping and cruel and deceitful and resentful, and she has this niece who's not very bright, intellectually impaired,

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whom she basically treats as a slave and beats all the time, and so a risk all in the call, you know, involved in this mess, and half starved and a bit delirious,

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and possessed of these strange new nihilistic ideas, decides that the best way out of this situation would be just to kill the landlord, the pawn broker,

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take her wealth, which she all she does is keep it in a chest, free the niece, so that seems like a good idea,

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so remove one apparently horrible and useless person from the world, free his sister from the necessity of this loveless marriage,

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and allow him to go to law school where he can become educated and do some good for the world, you know, so one of the things that's lovely about Dostyowski is that he,

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you know, sometimes when one person is arguing against another or when they're having an argument in their head,

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they make their opponent into a straw mat, which is basically they take their opponent and caricature their perspective,

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and try to make it as weak as possible, and laugh about it, and then they come up with their argument,

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destroy this straw man and feel that they've obtained victory, but it's a very pathetic way of thinking,

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it's not thinking at all, what thinking is, is when you adopt the opposite position from your suppositions,

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and you make that argument as strong as you can possibly make it, and then you pit your perspective against that,

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that strong iron man, not the straw man, and you argue it out, you battle it out, and that's what Dostyowski does in his novels,

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I mean he's the people who stand for the antifysis of what Dostyowski actually believes are often the strongest,

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smartest, and sometimes most admirable people in the book, and so he takes great moral courage to do that,

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and you know, in Raskolnikov, what he wanted to do was set up a character who had every reason to commit murder,

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every reasonable reason, philosophically, practically, ethically even, well, so Raskolnikov goes and he kills the old lady with an axe,

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and it doesn't go the way he expects it will, because what he finds out is that post-murder, Raskolnikov, and pre-murder, Raskolnikov, are not the same people at all,

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and they're not even close to the same people, he's entered an entirely different universe,

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and Dostyowski does a lovely job of describing that universe of horror and chaos and deception and suffering and terror,

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and all of that, and he doesn't even use the money, he just buries it in an alley as fast as he can,

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and then doesn't want anything to do with it again, and anyways, the reason I'm telling you all this is potentially,

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potentially, to entice you into reading the book, because it is an amazing, amazing book,

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but also because you might say, well, is Raskolnikov true, or the stories in that book true,

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and the answer to that is, well, from a factual perspective, clearly, they're untrue,

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but then if you think of Raskolnikov as the embodiment of a particular type of person who lived at that time,

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and the embodiment of a certain kind of ideology which had swept across Europe and really invaded Russia,

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and which was actually a precursor, a philosophical precursor to the Russian Revolution,

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then Raskolnikov is more real than any one person, he's like a composite person,

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he's like a person whose irrelevancies have been eliminated for the purpose of relating something about the structure of the world,

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and so I like to think of those things as sort of meta-real, meta-real, they're more real than real,

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and of course, that's what you expect people to do when they tell you about their own lives, about their own day,

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you don't want a factual description of every muscle twitch, you want them to distill their experiences down into the gist,

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which is the significance of the experience, and the significance of the experience is roughly what you can derive from listening to the experience

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that will change the way that you look at the world and act in the world.

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So it's valuable information, and they can tell you a terrible story, and that can be valuable, because that can tell you how not to look in the world,

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look at the world and act in it, or they can tell you a positive story, you can derive benefit either way,

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which is why we also like to go watch stories about horrible psychopathic thugs, and hopefully we're learning not to be like them,

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although there are additional advantages in that, you know, someone who might be say that someone who is incapable of cruelty

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is a higher moral being than someone who is capable of cruelty, and I would say, and this follows young as well,

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that that's incorrect, and it's dangerously incorrect, because if you are not capable of cruelty, you are absolutely a victim to anyone who is.

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And so part of the reason that people go watch anti-heroes and villains is because there's a part of them crying out for the incorporation of the monster within them,

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which is what gives them strength of character and self-respect, because it's impossible to respect yourself until you grow teeth.

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And if you grow teeth, then you realize that you're somewhat dangerous, or maybe somewhat seriously dangerous,

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and then you might be more willing to demand that you treat yourself with respect and other people do the same thing.

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And so that doesn't mean that being cruel is better than not being cruel, what it means is that being able to be cruel, and then not being cruel is better than not being able to be cruel,

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because in the first case you're nothing but weak and naive, and in the second case you're dangerous, but you have it under control.

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And a lot of martial arts concentrating on exactly that as part of their philosophy of training.

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It's like we're not training you to fight, we're training you to be peaceful and awake and avoid fights,

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but if you happen to have to get in one, and the antigastophilosophy also is that if you're competent at fighting, that actually decreases the probability that you're going to have to fight,

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because when someone pushes you, you'll be able to respond with confidence, and with any luck, and this is certainly the case with bullies,

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with any luck, a reasonable show of confidence, which is very much equivalent to the show of dominance, is going to be enough to make the bully back off.

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And so the strength that you develop in your monstrousness is actually the best guarantee of peace,

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and that's partly why you and believe that it was necessary for people to integrate their shadow,

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and he said that was a terrible thing for people to attempt because the human shadow, which is all those things about yourself that you don't want to realize,

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reaches all the way to hell, and what he meant by that was, it's through an analysis of your own shadow that you can come to understand why other people are capable and you as well,

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of the sorts of terrible atrocities that characterized, let's say, the 20th century,

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and without that understanding, there's no possibility of bringing it under control.

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When you study, not see Germany, for example, or you study the Soviet Union, particularly under Stalin,

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and you're asking yourself, well, what are these perpetrators like, forget about the victims?

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Let's talk about the perpetrators, the answer is, they're just like you, and if you don't know that, that just means that you don't know anything about people, including yourself,

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and then it also means that you have to discover why they're just like you, and believe me, that's no picnic.

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So that's enough to traumatize people, and that's partly why they don't do it, and it's also partly why the path to enlightenment and wisdom is seldom

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trod upon, because if it was all a matter of following your bliss and doing what made you happy,

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then everyone in the world would be a paragon of wisdom, but it's not that at all.

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It's a matter of facing the thing you least want to face, and everyone has that old, there's this old story in King Arthur,

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where the night's go off to look for the holy grail, which is either the cop that Christ drank out of it,

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or the cop into which the blood that gushed from his side was poured when he was crucified, the story is very, but it's basically a holy object like the phoenix, in some sense,

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that's representation, a representation of transformation.

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So it's an ideal, and so King Arthur's knights who sit at the round table, because they're all roughly equal, go off to find the most valuable thing,

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and where do you look for the most valuable thing when you don't know where it is?

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Well, each of the knights looks at the forest surrounding the castle and enters the forest out the point that looks darkest to him,

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and that's a good thing to understand, because the gateway to wisdom and the gateway to the development of personality,

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which is exactly the same thing, is precisely through the porthole portal that you do not want to climb through,

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and the reason for that is actually quite technical, this is a union pre-supposition too, is that, well, there's a bunch of things about you that are under developed,

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and a lot of those things are, because there's things you've avoided looking at, because you don't want to look at them,

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and there's parts of you you've avoided developing, because it's hard for you to develop those parts, and so it's, by virtual necessity that what you need is where you don't want to look,

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because that's where you've kept it, and so, and that's why there's, you know, an idiosyncratic element of it for everyone,

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your particular place of enlightenment and terror is not going to be the same as yours, except that they're both places of enlightenment and terror.

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So they're equivalent at one level of analysis and different at another, so anyways, back to fiction and what it does,

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it distills truth, and it produces characters that are composites, and the more they become composites,

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the more they approximate a mythological character, and so they become more and more universally true,

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and more and more approximating religious deities, but the problem with that is they become more and more distant from individual experience,

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and so with literature there's this very tight line where you need to make the character more than merely human,

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but not so much of a god that, you know, one of the things that happened to Superman in the 1980s,

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Superman started out, he's got a heavenly set of parents by the way, and an earthly set of parents, and he's an orphan like Harry Potter,

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very common theme, is that when Superman first emerged, he could only jump over buildings, and maybe he could stop a locomotive,

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but by the time the 1980s rolled around, he could juggle planets, and swallow hydrogen bombs, and he could do anything.

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Well, people stop buying the Superman comics because how interesting is that, it's like something horrible happens and Superman deals with it,

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and something else horrible happens and Superman deals with it, and it's like that's dull.

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He turned into such an archetype, he was basically the omnipresent omnipotent god, and that's no fun, it's like god wins, and then god wins again,

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and then again god wins, and so then they had to weaken him in different ways with kryptonite,

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you know, so green kryptonite kind of made him sick, and red kryptonite, I think, kind of mutated him, if I remember correctly, and anyways,

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they had to introduce flaws into his character so that there could be some damn plot, and not something to think about, you know,

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there's a deep existential lesson in that, in that your being is limited and flawed and fragile, you're like the genie,

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which is genius in the little tiny, in the little tiny lamp, you know, this immense potential, but constrained in this tiny little living space,

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as Robin Williams said when he played the genie in Aladdin, but the fact that you have limitations means that the plot of your life is the overcoming of those limitations,

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and that if you didn't have limitations, while there wouldn't be a plot, and maybe there would be no life, and so that's part of the reason why,

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perhaps you have to accept the fact that you're flawed and insufficient and live with it and consider it a precondition for being, it's at least a reasonable idea.

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So anyways, one of the main characters is the country, the known, the explored territory, we went over that a bit,

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and it always has two elements, I mean, your country is your greatest friend and your worst enemy, you know, because it squashes you into conformity,

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and demands that you act in a certain manner and reduces your individuality to that element that's tolerated by everyone else,

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and it constrains your potential in a single direction, and so it's really tyrannical, but at the same time, it provides you with a place to be,

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and all of the benefits that have accrued as a result of the actions of your ancestors and all the other people that you're associated with.

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There's the good tyrant or the bad tyrant and the good king, and those are archetypal figures, and that's because they're always true, and they're always true simultaneously,

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which is partly why I object to the notion of the patriarchy, because it's a mythola, it's the, what do you call that?

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It's the apprehension of a mythological trope, which is that of the evil tyrant, without any appreciation for the fact that the archetype actually has two parts,

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and the other part is the wise king, and you know, you can tell an evil tyrant story about culture, no problem, but it's one sided, and that's very dangerous,

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because you don't want to forget all the good things that you have, while you're criticizing all the ways that things are in error,

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that's a lack of gratitude, and it's a lack of wisdom, and it's found it in resentment, and it's very dangerous, both personally and socially.

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I told you that Captain Hook is a tyrant, because he's got this crocodile chasing him in the crocodile, has it's clock in its stomach, and that's death, it's like obviously, right tick tick tick tick tick,

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and it's a crocodile, and it's under the water, and it's already got a taste of him, so he's being chased around by death, and that makes him terrified, and resentful, and cruel, and bitter, and so he's a tyrant,

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and he wants to wreak havoc everywhere, and then Peter Pan, of course, looks at Captain Hook and thinks, why the hell should I grow up, and to be a tyrant,

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sacrifice all the potential of childhood, and the answer to that is, the potential sacrifices itself, if you don't utilize it as you mature,

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and you just end up a 40-year-old lost boy, which is a horrifying thing to behold, it's almost as if you're the corpse of a child, the living corpse of a child,

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who the hell wants a six-year-old 40-year-old, you're a little on the stale side by that point, and not the world's happiest individual,

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so your potential is going to disappear because you age anyways, and so you might as well shape that potential in a particular direction,

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and at least become something, no matter how limited, rather than nothing, so, you know, Peter Pan, that's a great story.

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It's a great story, it's a great mythological story, so, well, so let's talk about tyrants, well, not only are they mythological figures, but they exist, and they tend to be deified,

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I mean, Stalin was a furl and tense and purposes, God, the father, in Soviet Russia, although he was pretty much only the worst elements of old testament God,

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who was constantly smiting people and wiping out populations and doing all sorts of things that seem to be quite nasty,

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but nonetheless, you know, people worshipped him in many ways, and he's a representation of just exactly what goes wrong,

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when things really go wrong, when people stop paying attention, and when they all lie, because one of the things that characterized the communist state

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was that no one ever got to say anything, they actually believed ever, and that was partly because one out of three people was an informer,

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which meant if you had a family of six people, two of them were informing on the government about you, and that included your own children,

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and if you were an informer, you were often amply rewarded by the state, so that if you lived in an overcrowded apartment building with three families in the same flat,

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and you informed on, you know, the woman down the hall that you didn't like, she got shift, shipped off to the old concentration camp,

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and you got her apartment, and so that was a lovely society, and it only killed about 30 million people between 1919 and 1959,

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so that's what happens when the archetypal structure gets tilted badly when people forget that they have a responsibility to fulfill

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as citizens, as a wake, citizens who are capable of stating the truth, and the archetypes shift, so there's nothing left of the great father except the tyrant,

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and let's not have that happen. I mean, the one on the right is really interesting, because consciously, unconsciously, you know,

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there's Stalin surrounded by what is for all intents and purposes fire, you know, she looks like,

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he looks like, he looks like Maleficent in Sleeping Beauty when she shows up at Aurora's Christening, you know,

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she puts her arms up in the air and green fire surrounds her, it's like,

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it's like he's surrounded by fire, and there's Lenin above him, who's like King of the fiery realm, and that's for sure.

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So I mean, all the terrors that happened in the Soviet Union didn't start under Stalin, they started under Lenin,

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Lenin, Lenin or Stalin was definitely Lenin's legitimate son, let's put it that way.

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So, you know, this is another example of the tyrannical element of the great father,

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and the sorts of things that can happen. I mean, I kind of got an evil kick out of this ad that was quite old, you know,

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it's kitschy in some sense, and you know, it shows, I don't think that's something you'd ever see at a magazine today.

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Ten unusual stamps showing evil dictator, you know, well fair enough, I mean, that's what he was,

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and that's the consequence, and that's just a tiny bit of the consequence, because Lenin's wiped out a very large number of people,

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often using compassion as a justification, so when they went after the mentally ill and the terminally ill,

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and those who whose intelligence was compromised for biological reasons, and those who were too old,

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they basically justified it by saying that the enforced youth in Asia was merciful,

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and that you were actually being a good person by complying with the requirements, and so something to think about.

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More mythological representations, I like these quite a bit, so there's their Hitler as, you know,

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night of the faith, essentially, with, I suppose that's a recreation of the Christian Holy spirit dove, you know,

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except it's an eagle, which is a bird of prey, and a friend, and what do you call those things a scavenger, right?

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So that's kind of interesting, but that's Hitler as night of the blood, roughly speaking, and there, this is an allied war post,

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or essentially that assimilates the Nazis to poison the snakes, and, you know,

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we don't like poisonous snakes very much, and it's probably because they've been praying on us for approximately 20 million years,

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because snakes and primates humans in particular co-evolved, and so the snake is a representation of that,

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which lies outside the comfortable domain, and that can be, you know, a snake, obviously, or it can be an abstract snake,

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and the abstract snake is your enemy, or an even more abstract snake is the evil in your own heart,

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and this is going to be a bit of a leap for you, but there's this ancient idea that developed in the west over thousands of years,

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far predating Christianity, that, at least it's origins, that the snake in the garden of Eden was also Satan,

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which is like of what the hell, it's a very strange idea, but the reason for that, as far as I can tell,

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is that, you know, we have this circuitry that detects predators, and a good representation of a predator is a snake,

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or a monster that incorporates snake-like features like a dragon, or something like that, or a dinosaur with lots of teeth,

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or a shark that lives under the water, and will pull you down, you know, because I suspect a lot of our ancestors met a nasty death

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that the hands of Nile crocodiles, well, they were in the African vault going down to get some nice water,

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so, you know, that's the thing that jumps up and pulls you under, and, you know, that happens in your own life,

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because things jump up and pull you under, you know, and use the same circuitry.

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who are likely to invade our space, and so, and human beings are capable of abstraction, and so, you know, you could think about the real predator that might invade your space,

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and maybe that's a snake or a wolf or some kind of monster, you know, and that's pretty concrete and biological,

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chimps have that, you know, chimps don't like snakes, and so, if you, a chimps comes across a snake in the wild, then, like a big, let's say,

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maybe there's like a 20-foot constrictor and this, and the chimps, like, stays a good distance away from it, but it won't leave,

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and then it has this particular cry that it utters, that's called a snake-r-a-w-r-a-a, and so, it makes this noise, which means something like,

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holy shit, that's a big snake, and I actually mean that because the circuits that primates use to,

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to utter distress calls are the same circuits that we use to curse just so you know, that's why people with Tourette syndrome swear,

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because like, what's up with that? How can you have a neurological condition that makes you swear? Well, it turns out that,

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gutteral, affect laden curses are mediated by a different speech circuit, and that's the speech circuit we share with the predator,

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alarms of other primates, so that's pretty cool. So anyways, the chimps don't, they're, makes this snake noise, and then,

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all bunch of other chimps come running, and some of them stay a fair ways from the snake, and some of them get pretty close,

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but they'll stand there and watch that snake for like 24 hours, you know, so they're fascinated by it, and, you know,

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if you've handled snakes, you can understand that fascination because they're fascinating, you know, and their luminous, I would say,

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that's the right way of putting it, a luminous is a word that means intrinsically meaningful, like a fire, you know,

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you can't look away from fire, you know, if you're sitting in front of a fireplace, it's like you're staring at it,

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and that's because you're all descended from the first mad chimpanzee who had some weird, genetic mutation that made it impossible for him to stay away from fire.

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It was like the first chimps aresonist, you know, and he figured it out, and, well, hey, now he was a chimps with a stick with fire on it, like that's a mega chimps,

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and so, you know, we have that mutation in spades and no wonder, so anyways, so they make this, you know, they have this reaction to snakes, and chimps that have never seen a snake,

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if they're in occasion, you throw a rubber snake in there, it's like bang, they hit the roof, but then they look at the snake, you know,

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so it's like it's terrifying and fascinating at the same time, and you should look at the snake because you want to know what it does,

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but you should stay away from it because it's a snake, so you're kind of screwed in terms of your motivations, right?

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One is get the hell away, and the other is, well, don't let that thing do anything that you're not watching,

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and so that's really the reaction we have to the unknown, it's terrifying, but we watch it,

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and then, you know, the meta story is that not only do we watch it, but we go explore it,

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and so you might think, well, back in the Garden of Eden, so to speak, when we were living in trees,

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the snakes used to come and eat us, and our offspring more likely, and, you know, we weren't very happy about that,

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and then we figured out how to maybe buy accident, drop a stick on a snake, and that was a good thing,

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because the snake didn't like that, and then maybe the next thing we learned a little later was to, like,

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actually take a stick and like whack the snake with it, and you can believe that the first

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primate who figured out that was just as popular as the guy who mastered fire, and so we're pretty good at whacking

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the snake with sticks, which is why Springfield has a snake whacking day, it's devoted to nothing but that.

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All right, I don't know if you know that, Simpsons episode, but it's quite comical.

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So, well, so then you think about the snake as a predator, and it's the thing that invades the garden always,

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because you just can't keep snakes out of the damn garden, no matter how hard you try, and then you think of snakes,

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and maybe you think of metasnakes, and like a metasnake would be also a predator, but maybe that's the predator that represents the,

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the destructive spirit of the other tribe, because chimpanzees, for example, are quite tribal, and they definitely go to war with one another,

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and so you think you abstract out the idea of the predator to represent malevolence as such, and then you take that one step further,

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and you realize that the worst of all evil predators is the human capacity for evil, and then at that point, you know,

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you're starting to, I would say, psychologists or spiritualize the idea of danger, and making it make it into something that's conceptual,

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and something that's psychological, and something that you can face sort of on mass.

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I mean, one of the things people had to figure out was, how do you deal with danger?

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And so you figure out how you deal with a specific danger, but then because human beings are dead, so damn smart, they thought, well,

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what if we considered the class of all dangerous things?

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And then what if we considered a motive being that was the best motive being in the face of the class of all dangerous things?

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Well, that's a lot better. You get, you know, you get solve all the dangerous problems, all it wants,

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instead of having to conjure up a different solution for every dangerous thing, and that's basically as far as I can tell,

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where the hero story came from, and the hero story is basically, you know, there's a community that's threatened by the emergence of some old evil,

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often represented by a dragon. That's sort of typical say of the Lord of the Rings stories.

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There's a hero, often a humble guy, but not always, sometimes a knight decides he'll go out there, you know,

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and chase down the snake, maybe even at or the serpent or the dragon, maybe in an even in its layer,

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and he'll have a bunch of adventures on the way that transform him from, you know, useless, naive,

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hobbit into, you know, sword wielding hero, and he confronts the dragon and gets the gold and frees the people that it had enslaved,

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and then comes back, transformed to share what he's learned with the community.

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It's like, well, that's the human story fundamentally, and that's our basic instinct of pattern,

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and it's represented in narratives constantly, and that's partly what this, see this has meaning.

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You know what this means? Why? Why do you know? Well, you know, because it draws on symbolic representations that you already understand,

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you understand that a mess of tooth snakes is not a good thing, and that maybe the sensible thing to do is stomp them,

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and it's not like you need an instruction manual to figure out what the poster means,

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and so, you know, that's two different representations of Hitler, that's sort of the pro Hitler representation,

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and I would say that's the anti-Hitler representation, and you know, that's the real Hitler who, at this point, does not look like a very happy clam.

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So, that's the known, that's culture, that's order, and what's eternally juxtaposed to culture,

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and the known, and the explored, and order is the unknown, and the unknown is a strange place, the unknown is actually,

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it's a physical place, like the unknown is the place that when you're camping and you're around to fire,

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the unknown is everything outside the circle of the light, and you remember in the Lion King, you may not remember,

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when Mufasa, that's the King, right, goes and takes Simba up to show him his territory, he says he is the king of everything that the light touches,

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and that's a very old idea, and you guys had no problem with, you know, that was fine, that made sense,

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and that out beyond the light was the darkness, and that was the elephant graveyard, that was death, that was the place of death and danger,

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that's where the Hyene is hung out, and you weren't supposed to go there, and so of course Simba,

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because he's a rule-breaking hero, just like Harry Potter, immediately goes there, and so, you know, that's like the forbidden fruit,

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it's the same sort of idea, if you want someone to do something, the best thing to do is tell them that they shouldn't,

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and not explain why, you know, so for example, if I said to you at the beginning of this class,

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look, I've got one rule here, don't sit in that chair, no matter what, you'd be thinking the whole year, especially if I reminded you,

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just what's up with that chair, like that's chair is magical all of a sudden, you, some of you might even, while you probably wouldn't,

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because this is a ridiculous example, but maybe, you know, you come to class early and sit in that chair, just to see what would happen,

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you know, and people are very curious, and that's exactly what we're like, and that's a very old story too, right?

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It's like opening Pandora's box, don't open that box, you'll be sorry, it's like, oh, ho ho ho!

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You know, all the horrors of the world fly out and believe me, you will open Pandora's box many times in your life,

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because, you know, with your family or maybe your mate or maybe your children, you'll have this idea that they have a box with things in it,

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you want to know about, and you'll say, well, I'm kind of curious about this particular event, so why don't you tell me about it, and they say, well,

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no, we probably really shouldn't open that box, and you keep bugging them, and then they open it,

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and then all sorts of things fly out that you didn't expect, and then maybe you think, hey, it would be better if I were to just left that damn box closed,

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but, and you can do the same thing to yourself, believe me, and so the Pandora's box idea, the forbidden fruit idea, that's a major league idea,

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and part of the reason in the Judeo-Christian tradition, why people are saddled with the notion of original sin is because,

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hyper-curdically developed chimpanzees without much sense can't keep their hands off things, and so they keep exploring,

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even when they know better, and every time they do that, they learn something that destroys the paradise that they currently inhabit,

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because there's plenty, you never learn anything in your life, that's of importance without it,

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having a pretty damn destabilizing effect on you at the moment of realization, you learn something happy, it's like, whatever,

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you know, that means that I was doing things right, like it's nice and everything, but it's not informative.

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You do something in all hell breaks loose, that'll make you think, now it's for sure you might never stop thinking for the rest of your life,

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so anyways, the unknown, the unknown is that which surrounds the known, it's unexplored territory,

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it's usually represented as female, I think, for a variety of reasons, and not as female exactly, it's not the right way to think about it as feminine,

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and that's not the same thing because feminine is a symbolic category, whereas female is like an actual female,

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and so you don't want to confuse the metaphor with the actuality, because we had the social cognitive categories built in,

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you know, you might say masculine, feminine, and offspring, something like that, we had to use what we could to represent what we were attempting to figure out,

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and we kind of mapped them onto the external realities of being the best we could using what we could, and so nature is benevolent, and it's fruitful, all things come from nature,

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and all things come from the unknown, right, because the known is already there, it's the unknown that manifests the new, right,

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and so that's part of the reason for the characterization of the unknown is feminine, and then there's also the case that women play a massive role in sexual selection among human beings,

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so that from an evolutionary perspective your twice is likely to be a failure if you're a man, then you are a few are a woman in that you have twice as many female ancestors,

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as male ancestors, and you think, well that's impossible, but it's not, all you have to do is imagine that every woman has one child, half the men have two,

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and the other half have zero, and so, and of problem, and that's basically how it works out, so women are more choosy-meters than men by a substantial margin,

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there's a funny study done by the guy who was established, it's one of the big dating sites, and he looked at how women rated men, and they rated the 50th percentile man at the 15th percentile,

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so 85 percent of men were below average according to women's ratings, now men had their same arbitrary choices because of course they preferred younger women to older women,

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and they were more swayed I would say by attractiveness, but that didn't have certainly as big an effect on their actual rating of women, so anyways, so from a Darwinian perspective,

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nature is that which selects, that's all it is, and so sexual selection plays a massive role in human evolution, the fact that we have these massive brains is very likely a consequence of a positive feedback loop in sexual selection,

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because otherwise, that's the only time you can get really rapid changes in evolutionary space where you get a process going that reinforces itself,

367
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so there's a little preference for intelligence, and then that produces more intelligent men and women, and then there's a little more preference for intelligence,

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and maybe then that turns into the ability to speak, or to master fire, and then there's way more selection for intelligence, and the brain just goes like this,

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and women have paid a pretty big price for that because your hips are basically so wide that you can barely run, and if they were any wider than you couldn't,

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and of course the pelvic passageway through which the baby travels is too small, so it's really painful and dangerous, and the baby's head has to compress quite a lot,

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I mean they come out cone-shaped often, and then they're born really young, so you have to take care of them forever, like what the hell, a deer is born, a fawn is born,

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and it's like two seconds later it's standing, and then it's running from a lion, it's like 15 minutes later, and then baby it's like, you just lies there, and you know,

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otters plaintive noises, that's all it can do, and it does that for like 10 months before it could skid her away from a sloth if it was predatory, you know, so you really got to take care of those creatures,

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and so that's a big price to pay, that's a big price to pay for our cortical evolution.

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So anyways, here's some of the symbolic representatives of the unknown, the unconscious, dineasy, and forests of the id, that sort of Freud's representation of the unknown,

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the terrors of the darkness, that's the unknown, the monsters that lurk there, the source and the resting place of all things, the great mother, the queen, the matrix,

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which means matter, which means mother, the matriarch, matter, mother, the container, the cornecopio, the object to be fertilized, the source of all things, the fecund, the pregnant,

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the strange, the emotional, the foreigner, the place of return and rest, the deep, the valley, the cleft, the cave, hell, death, and the grave, because it's beyond the moon, ruler of the night, and the mysterious dark, and matter, and the earth.

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Then you know all this because when you watch a movie that's rife with symbolic representations, it draws on those underlying metaphors and they're natural.

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I mean, where does a witch live? Well, in a swamp for God's sake, she doesn't live in the penthouse of a New York tower, she lives at a swamp and it's dark there, and if the moons up, that's a better,

381
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and maybe it could be a crescent moon, or maybe it could be a full moon, but you know, witches live in the right place if you're going to understand it,

382
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and you all you understand all of that, and it's part of the structure of your imagination, you could say, and so it's part of the unspoken, fantastical imagination that unites all of us, and then makes us specifically human.

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There's a good representation of the underworld and the place of transformation, so that's hell, an ISIS in Egypt was queen of the underworld, and the underworld generally has a queen, and she usually shows up when order falls apart, and so you go to the underworld when your life falls apart.

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That's what it means, and so when you see these stories of the hero, you know, journeying to unknown lands of terror and danger, that's what happens to you.

385
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It happens to you all the time, you know, you're in this little safe space like the Hobbit in the Shire, and then, you know, there's a great evil brewing somewhere, and you can no longer ignore it, so off you go into the land of terror and uncertainty,

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and better to go on purpose than accidentally, that's for sure, because at least you can be prepared, and we also know that if you're going to face a threat, if you face it voluntarily, what happens is your body activates itself for exploration and mastery, but if you face it involuntarily, same-sized threat, then you've revert to prey mode, and you're frozen, and that's way, way, way more stressful.

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It's way harder on your body, and so it's better to keep your eye open and watch for emergent threats, because you all know, you know, what you're not doing quite right, and where your life is likely to unravel.

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You all have a sense of that, and the best thing to do is to not ignore that, to pay attention to it, to watch it, and to take corrective action early, and then, you know, you stay on top of things, and things, your little trip to the underworld might be a few minutes long,

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instead of a catastrophe that produces post-traumatic stress disorder knocks you out for four or five years, and maybe you never recover.

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So, and that's what these kind of symbolic representations mean.

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Those are states of being that indicate being devoured, and you can be devoured by your own unconscious, Jesus, that happens all the time.

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What does that mean? Well, you know, and it's an autonomous thing in some sense, you know, like if you get depressed, or if you get really anxious, you know, I'm getting control over that.

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It's like it sweeps up over you and pulls you down, and why down?

394
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Well, down is where you go when you're sad, you don't go up.

395
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Man, I'm up today. Oh, that's too bad. No, it's man, I'm down today, and while that's partly this, and it's partly because this is subordinate,

396
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and it's partly because down is closer to the ground and farther from the sky, like there's all sorts of reasons, you're feeling down, rather than up, up is where you're aiming, right?

397
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Yeah, mop, you don't aim down. Well, the reason those phrases make sense is because they're locked deeply into this underlying structure of imagination, and well, those are the archetypal structures according to Jung,

398
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I think that he's far as I can tell, he's dead accurate, and I think we understand the biology of such things much better than we did.

399
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So there's more representations. She's quite the friendly creature. That's Kelly.

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I like this representation better. Those are heads, by the way, and hands. So she sort of represents, well, very complex things. She represents death. She represents transformation.

401
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In this, I really like this representation. I think it's brilliant. So imagine that what the people were doing who formulated these representations, what they were trying to do is to make a representation of the domain of threat itself, right?

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So that they could deal with the idea that because we can say threat, well, what does that what the hell does that mean? Well, threat is the category of all threatening things. And so then you can think about threat and you can think about threat.

403
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Across all those individual instances, and maybe you can figure out how to deal with threat, right?

404
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How what's the best way to be in the world so that you most effectively deal with threat? Well, that's sort of like apart from how do you deal with pain?

405
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That's sort of like the ultimate question of human beings. You want to be terrified? No. So you want to be in danger? No. So like you better figure out how to deal with threat. So first of all, you have to conceptualize it. So we'll take a look at this representation. So that's Kelly.

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She her hair is on fire. Well, fire, you know, that's that's a new menace phenomenon, dangerous, but transformative. She's wearing a head dress of skulls.

407
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She has a weapon in this hand and she has a tiger's tongue. She often has a snake around her waist.

408
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She needs none of these do, but she often does. But in this case, the stem, that's because, you know, it's a snake. We've already covered that.

409
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Well, these things that look like snakes here aren't. You know what? That's how her belly is concave.

410
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Well, it's because she's just given birth to this unfortunate person that she happens to be standing on and she's eating in test-dying's first.

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And that's a fire ring which she is in and then it's got skulls on the inside of it. It's like, what's that supposed to do? Well, partly it's supposed to represent that which terrifies you.

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It's like, yeah, fair enough, man. Because I don't imagine you saw those things in there before I explained them, but someone who was familiar with that image would know what it meant.

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It's like some poor artist was sitting there thinking, well, how do I represent destruction? And it's like bang.

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Whoa, okay, we'll put that down and then we won't look at it again. So, and then what do you do with this? You make sacrifices to it. And you think, well, that's kind of primitive.

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You know, first of all, well, that doesn't really exist. Well, it does if it's an amalgam of threat symbols. I can tell you that. It exists. That's for sure.

416
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So it exists as an abstraction. If nothing else, do you offer its sacrifices? Well, what the hell do you think you do? What are you doing in class?

417
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Why aren't you like drinking vodka and snorting cocaine? You know, because you could be doing that. Instead, here you are listening to me, you know,

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waving away in university. You're young. It's like, really, you've got nothing better to do than sit there. You know, well, what you're willing to forego today's pleasure for tomorrow's advantage.

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And that's what sacrifice is. And human beings discovered that dramatically first, you know, like we were, we're apes for God's sake. We didn't just leap up and think, oh, we better save for tomorrow.

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You know, we took thousands of years for that idea to emerge and it emerged in dramatic form and it was sort of like, well, society is sort of like a God.

421
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No, they weren't thinking this through. It's like if you're going to represent society, well, it's like this masculine God that's always judging the hell out of you that's everywhere all at the same time.

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It's like, yeah, yeah, that's true. Absolutely. And what do you have to do with it? Well, you have to give it what it wants. Why do you have to give it what it wants?

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Because it'll crush you if you don't. And that's exactly right. And if you're lucky and you give it the right sacrifice, then it'll smile on you.

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And you get to have a good life. And that was like, that was the major discovery of mankind man. That was a killer discovery. It was like the discovery of the future.

425
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You know, we discovered the future as a place. And it was a place that you could bargain with. You can bargain with the future. Wow, that's just what an idea that is, you know, it's so unlikely. Well, how do you bargain with the future?

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Well, you give it what it wants. And, you know, some of that's you maintain your social relationship. And, you know, you make yourself useful to other people and you shape yourself so that you can cooperate with people. And you, you don't act impulsively and maybe you squirrel something away for the next harvest even if you're hungry. And, you know, and then the future isn't hell.

427
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And you make the proper sacrifices. And so if you sacrifice to Kelly, then she turns into her opposite and showers benevolence on you. And that's mother nature, right?

428
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It's like, look out for mother nature, man. You know, two weeks out in the bush right now in your dead. And it's not pleasant. And then if it's the spring, you last longer. But the bugs eat you. And so that's not very fun either.

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So nature, you know, it's bent on your destruction. But if you treat it properly and carefully and make the right sacrifice is then maybe one of her trees will offer you some fruit. And that would be okay. And so believe me, lots of people died trying to figure that out.

430
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So here's another way of looking at it. So I said, you know, order and chaos, known, unknown, explored territory, unexplored territory. I love this. This is the Taoist symbol.

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It's a symbol of being. And being isn't reality as you would conceptualize it as a scientist. It's more like reality as it manifests itself to you as a living thing, which is completely different.

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You know, science extracts out all the subjectivity. All it is there is an array of objective facts of equivalent value. And that's part of its method. But that's not the world in which you live. The world in which you live is full of motivation and emotion.

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It's full of terror and pain and joy and frustration and other people. That's for sure. And so that's the real world. And so, well, that's what this is. It's the real world. And what is it made out of?

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Well, it's made out of all those things you know that can get out of hand, you know, because the explored territory in the known can get so damn tight that it's nothing but a tyrant.

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And then it's all those things you don't know. And that's pretty exciting because, you know, you want to go find out some things you don't know. And that adds a lot of spice to life. You want a little adventure. You don't want to go out with someone who's so predictable that you know everything about them in a week.

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Unless you're hyper conservative, you want to go out with someone who's got their a little radic. Like not too erratic. Let's say they're a little dangerous. Perhaps not too dangerous. But some of that at least you want predictability with a bit of unpredictability in there. Well, that's exactly what this means.

437
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That's that's predictability with a little unpredictability in it. And what that also means is that what you know can be turned into what you don't know just like that.

438
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And that's going to happen to you lots of times in your life, man, when someone close to you dies suddenly, it's like poof.

439
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Order turns into chaos and now you're in chaos and what the hell are you going to do there? And that's a good question.

440
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Because you need to know what to do there. Because you're going to be there. And it happens to you when your dreams fall apart. You know, I mean your dreams for your life.

441
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You know, when you discover something awful about yourself that you didn't know or you know, it flips on you all the time. And in small ways, sometimes, you know, you have a fight with a friend or in big ways that that wipe you out for, well, indefinitely sometimes.

442
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Because you can fall into chaos and never get out. You know, that's the people who are trapped in the belly of the beast.

443
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It isn't necessary that when you descend into chaos that you learn something and you get back out, you could just be stuck there suffering until you die.

444
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And that's, you know, I wouldn't recommend that, you know, it's something to avoid.

445
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But it happens to people all the time, all the time, you see them wandering around, you know, shattered on the streets of Toronto.

446
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You know, they're done. They're in chaos. And there's so much chaos around them that you won't even go near them. The chaos spreads like eight feet around them.

447
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And so when you see someone like that, you're like, well, first we're not going to look to closely and people like that often don't like you to look at them.

448
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Because that also helps them remember where they are and that's no pleasant thing. And you're going to just stay away from that.

449
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Maybe you'll cross the street, maybe you'll keep your head down, whatever. You're not going anywhere near that chaos and no bloody wonder, you know.

450
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And, and you don't think about it much after you pass it because it's a hell of a thing to think about and what are you going to do about it anyways.

451
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You don't know what to do about it. You might just make it worse. Well, so chaos, you know, that's the other half of life and it can turn into order.

452
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Sometimes better order. That's actually what you do when you explore, right? You explore. You find out something new, not too new, not too panoroboxy.

453
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You know, you bite off as much as you can chew but no more. And so that rearranges the way you look at the world. But you're doing it voluntarily. So you can kind of tolerate the recalibration.

454
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And you strengthen the order, right? Because now you become more competent and I would say that you're trying to live on the edge between order and chaos.

455
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And I mean, that's a real place. That's an actual. It's a meta place. But it's more real than places.

456
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Because it's so old. It's such an old place. It really exists and your nervous system knows that. It sees the world this way.

457
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In fact, the right hemisphere is roughly specialized for chaos and the left hemisphere is roughly specialized for order, which is why the left hemisphere tends to have the linguistic elements and why people are right handed.

458
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And the right hemisphere has a more diffuse structure. It's more associated with negative emotion and imagination.

459
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And the two communicate between each other through the corpus colosome and the right hemisphere appears to update the left hemisphere kind of slowly often in dreams.

460
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And so if you are hurt, if your right hemisphere is hurt, for example, back here in the prior load, then you lose the left part of your body. You can't move it anymore.

461
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But you also lose the idea that you have a left part of your body. So it's like blindness. It's a blindness to the left.

462
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And so if someone comes along and says, you know, you're not moving your left arm, you're going to say, yeah, well, my arthritis is bothering me to have moved it for six months.

463
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Well, my arthritis is bothering today or, you know, you don't move in your left foot. It's like, well, you know, I'm too tired. Well, what's happened is the left hemisphere has a representation of the body.

464
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And it's not being updated because the part of the brain that would notice that the left is gone because of a stroke. It isn't there anymore.

465
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And so the left already has a model and it's not going to change. It's just hard to change your model of yourself. You don't have a tooth pulled.

466
01:08:43,400 --> 01:08:50,400
What happens? It's like your damn tongue is in that hole for the next six months, settling around constantly.

467
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:58,400
And that's because you're rebuilding your neurological model of your body. It's like try that with your whole left side and see how well you do.

468
01:08:58,400 --> 01:09:17,400
You know, so this guy named Rama Shandran was experimenting with people like this. One of the things he did was kind of he was checking their balance and you can do that by regaining the ear with cold water and that makes people go like this makes the rise move back and forth because it upsets the vestibular system.

469
01:09:17,400 --> 01:09:27,400
What he found was that if he if he poured cold water in the left ear of someone with right-pryled damage, who had left neglect that they'd all of a sudden sort of wake up,

470
01:09:27,400 --> 01:09:38,400
catastrophicly they'd have a terrible reaction to the fact that they were paralyzed on the left and they would know that it had happened and cry and you know,

471
01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:55,400
it made all sorts of distress and no wonder and then like 20 minutes later they'd snap back into their damaged mode of being and they would not deny because that isn't really what it is is that they couldn't update the model.

472
01:09:55,400 --> 01:10:02,400
They just didn't have the neurology for it anymore, so they were back to not noticing that it was gone and coming up with stories about it.

473
01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:11,400
And so that's a good example of how the right and left hemisphere's work together and how they're kind of mapped on to this weirdly enough.

474
01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:24,400
So, you know, we're adapted to the meta reality and so what that would be is we're adapted to that which remains constant across the longest spans of time.

475
01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:40,400
And that's not the same things that you see flitting around you day to day, those are just like clouds, they're just evaporating, you know, there's things underneath that are more fundamental that are more fundamental realities like the dominance hierarchy, like the tribe,

476
01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:50,400
like the danger outside of society, like the threat that other people pose to you and that you pose to yourself, those are eternal realities.

477
01:10:50,400 --> 01:11:04,400
And we're adapted to those, that's our world and that's why we express that in stories and so then you might say, well how do you adapt yourself to this world and the answer to that is, and I believe this is a neurological answer, I believe this.

478
01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:18,400
That your brain can tell you when you're optimally situated between chaos in order and the way it tells you that is by producing the sense of engagement and meaning.

479
01:11:18,400 --> 01:11:32,400
So let's say there's a place in the environment you should be, okay, what should that place be? Well, you don't want to be terrified out of your skull like what good is that and you know, you don't want to be so comfortable that you might as well sleep.

480
01:11:32,400 --> 01:12:01,400
You want to be somewhere where, you know, you're kind of on firm ground here, but over here, you're kind of testing out new territory and some of you who are exploratory and emotionally stable, you know, you're going to go pretty far out into the unexplored territory without destabilizing yourself and other people are going to just put a toe in the chaos and you know, that's neuroticism basically that's your sensitivity to threat that's calibrated differently and different people.

481
01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:16,400
And more some people are more exploratory than others, that's kind of extroversion and openness working together and intelligent. So some people are going to tolerate a larger at mixture of chaos in their order. Those are liberals, by the way.

482
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:30,400
And I mean that technically liberals are more interested in novel chaos and conservatives are more interested in the stabilization of the structures that already exist and who's right.

483
01:12:30,400 --> 01:12:40,400
Well, it depends on the situation and that's why conservatives and liberals have to talk to each other because one of them isn't right and the other wrong.

484
01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:58,400
Sometimes the conservatives are right and sometimes the liberals are right because the environment's going like this, you can't predict the damn thing. So that's why you have to communicate and that's what a democracy does it allows people of different temperamental types to communicate and to calibrate the damn societies.

485
01:12:58,400 --> 01:13:06,400
So anyways, so let's say you're optimally balanced between chaos in order. So what does that mean? Well, you're stable enough.

486
01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:16,400
But you're interested, right, because a little novelty heightens your anxiety that wakes you up a bit. That's the adventure part of it.

487
01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:24,400
And also focuses the part of your brain that does exploratory activity and that's actually associated with pleasure. That's the dopamine circuit.

488
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:32,400
And so if you're optimally balanced and you know that you know you're there when you're listening to an interesting conversation or you're engaged in one.

489
01:13:32,400 --> 01:13:42,400
It's a real conversation. You're saying some things, you know, and the other person is saying some things they know, but the both of what you know is changing.

490
01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:52,400
It's like, wow, that's so interesting. You'll have a conversation like that forever. Maybe you're reading a book like that or you're listening to a piece of music that models that.

491
01:13:52,400 --> 01:14:01,400
Because what music does is provide you with predictable forms, multi-level predictable forms that transform just the right amount.

492
01:14:01,400 --> 01:14:14,400
And music is a very representational art form. It says, this is what the universe is like. You know, there's a dancing element to it repetitive and then cute little variations that sort of surprise and delight you.

493
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:27,400
And you think, wow, that's so cool. It doesn't matter how nihilistic you are, you know, music still infuses you with a sense of meaning. And that's because it models meaning. That's what it does is that's why we love it.

494
01:14:27,400 --> 01:14:38,400
And you know, you can dance to it and that sort of symbolizes you putting yourself in harmony with these multi-polar layers of reality and positioning yourself properly.

495
01:14:38,400 --> 01:14:45,400
And you like that too, you know, you'll pay for it. Oh boy, I get to go dancing, you know, oh boy, I get to listen to music.

496
01:14:45,400 --> 01:14:55,400
Like what the hell are you doing, listening to music? What good is that? Well, you think that's a stupid question. I don't care about your doopy criticism. I'm going to listen to some music, right?

497
01:14:55,400 --> 01:15:09,400
There's no rational, there's no rational argument against music. It's like you just don't even think about him. He just walk away from someone who's stupid enough to ask that question. It's like,

498
01:15:09,400 --> 01:15:25,400
some things are obvious. Well, why? Okay, so that's pretty fun. So what mediates between these two domains? Well, that's what consciousness does, far as I can tell.

499
01:15:25,400 --> 01:15:33,400
And that's sort of the individual and that's the hero. That's another way of thinking about it. It's the logos. That's another way of thinking about it.

500
01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:51,400
The word that generates order out of chaos at the beginning of time. It's the consciousness that interacting with the matter of the world produces being. That's basically it. That's basically you for all intents and purposes.

501
01:15:51,400 --> 01:15:59,400
What do you do that? Well, the unconscious does it to some degree, you know, because it's with our fantasy that we first meet the unknown, right?

502
01:15:59,400 --> 01:16:05,400
Well, look, say you're going out with a new person. It's like, what do you do? You project a fantasy on them.

503
01:16:05,400 --> 01:16:16,400
And then you fall in love with the fantasy and aren't you stupid because you're going to find out that the match between your damn fantasy and the actual person is tenuous at best.

504
01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:28,400
And so Jung would call that a projection of either the anima or the anima's, you know, the anima is what a man projects on to a woman. He finds desirable. It's like, oh, she's the perfect woman.

505
01:16:28,400 --> 01:16:34,400
It's like, well, how do you know that? You've like, seen her for four seconds, you know, but it grips you.

506
01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:41,400
And the same thing happens in the opposite direction. And it's an action of instinct, you know, it's like you fall in love with the image.

507
01:16:41,400 --> 01:16:55,400
But interestingly enough, what you do in a relationship that works is that you actually, I think that what you see to rough approximation, when you project the ideal and fall in love with it, you see what could be.

508
01:16:55,400 --> 01:17:02,400
It could be that, but it's going to take you hell of a lot of work because like you got no shortage of flaws.

509
01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:09,400
And the other person has no shortage of flaws. And so you're bringing your flaws together and that's going to produce a lot of friction.

510
01:17:09,400 --> 01:17:20,400
And you're going to have to engage in a lot of dialogue before you approach that level of perfection again, but maybe you can do it.

511
01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:24,400
Then you get to live happily ever after. Well, would not be nice.

512
01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:33,400
Well, so the unconscious meets the unknown and it meets it with imagination and fantasy and dream and art. That's how you take.

513
01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:39,400
See, you don't just go from what you don't know to fully articulated knowledge in one bloody leap.

514
01:17:39,400 --> 01:17:48,400
You can't do that. You have to extend pseudo-pods of fantasy and imagination into the unknown. That's kind of what theorizing is like, right?

515
01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:58,400
Even scientifically, you don't know something scientifically, you generate a theory. Well, it's an imaginative representation that your unconscious is helping you generate.

516
01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:05,400
And so you meet the unknown with fantasy. That's what the unconscious is for from the psychoanalytic perspective. That's what dreams do.

517
01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:13,400
And you can see why you dream about the future. You know, it's like, well, what's the future going to be like? Well, you have a little imaginative story going on.

518
01:18:13,400 --> 01:18:19,400
It's like, you don't really create it. It's sort of you watch it unfold. You know, maybe you can tweak it here and there.

519
01:18:19,400 --> 01:18:26,400
But it sort of comes to you from wherever the hell things like that come from, you know, the unconscious.

520
01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:35,400
That's the psychoanalytic answer. It's not really much of an answer because it's more like a representation of a place that we don't understand.

521
01:18:35,400 --> 01:18:48,400
But that's where creativity comes from. And I mean, some people are really creative right down to the bloody core. So in my clinical practice, I often see people who are high in openness because they're attracted to me because they watched my lectures.

522
01:18:48,400 --> 01:18:58,400
And you have to kind of be high in openness to like my lectures. So because, well, you do because they go everywhere, you know, and they're not necessarily very orderly. So,

523
01:18:59,400 --> 01:19:15,400
So anyways, lots of my clients are really high in openness and they're funny people often, especially if they're smart because sometimes they have the most nihilistic intelligence you can imagine it's just self-critical and nihilistic and brutally brutal man and smart.

524
01:19:15,400 --> 01:19:27,400
And so they just criticize themselves out of existence. And so often I have to just try to get them to quit listening to their chattering, self-critical rationality and go out and create something.

525
01:19:27,400 --> 01:19:33,400
You know, with their massive creativity and as long as they're doing that, they're engaged in the world and happy as hell.

526
01:19:33,400 --> 01:19:40,400
But as soon as that self-critical rationality comes in and shuts down the creativity, they're just like walking corpses.

527
01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:51,400
And it's because if you're really open like that's you're a tree and it has some trunks and you know, your most prominent trait is the most lively trunk.

528
01:19:51,400 --> 01:20:01,400
And if you're a creative person and you're not engaging in a creative enterprise, you're just like a tree that has had its vitality amputated.

529
01:20:01,400 --> 01:20:15,400
And so this is not trivial. This stuff is deeply deeply rooted in your biology and those are people often who have like dream lives. You just can't believe I have one client.

530
01:20:15,400 --> 01:20:22,400
He has like four spectacular dreams a week and most of the time we just spend discussing them. I mean, God.

531
01:20:22,400 --> 01:20:28,400
And I had another client who could be lucid in her dreams, which is more common among women.

532
01:20:28,400 --> 01:20:35,400
She could ask the damn characters what they represented and they would tell her. It was like, okay, that was pretty weird.

533
01:20:35,400 --> 01:20:48,400
Like a lot of the things they told her were really helpful and they were not things that she wanted to hear. She basically, one of them told her if she was going to live, she'd have to go visit a slaughterhouse.

534
01:20:48,400 --> 01:21:01,400
And the reason for that was because she was raised as a little princess and protected from horrible mother nature until she hit puberty in which time she turned into an evil villain because that's how the family worked.

535
01:21:01,400 --> 01:21:10,400
Perfect child, evil teenager, overnight. And then, well, that was hard on her and she wasn't prepared because she thought the world was princess world.

536
01:21:10,400 --> 01:21:20,400
And, you know, she couldn't go through a butcher store without having a fit and no wonder, you know, like really, Jesus. You know, it's no wonder, but you do it.

537
01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:30,400
But she couldn't, so we used to go to butcher stores and that would make her cry and that she was a vegetarian. That would make her cry and, you know, bemoan the cruelty of the world.

538
01:21:30,400 --> 01:21:38,400
And it's like, you have fair enough, man, those are bloody slabs of meat. It's like, I don't know why everyone isn't screaming when they walk through the butcher store.

539
01:21:38,400 --> 01:21:43,400
But you got to get used to it, man, because you can't live in the world otherwise.

540
01:21:43,400 --> 01:21:50,400
And so the dream character who was a gypsy told her that she had to go visit a slaughterhouse, which seemed rather impractical.

541
01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:58,400
And so I asked her if she could think of anything else to do and she thought, well, why don't we go visit a funeral home and watch an embalming?

542
01:21:58,400 --> 01:22:08,400
And I thought, oh, good. That sounds, that sounds like a fun way to spend a day. And so I've phoned up a funeral partner.

543
01:22:08,400 --> 01:22:17,400
And I said, I had a client who was terrified of death. And I was a therapist who was also a little shaky on the concept myself.

544
01:22:17,400 --> 01:22:25,400
And so they had no problem with that. They deal with death all the time, which is really something to think about, right, a human being, can actually have an occupation,

545
01:22:25,400 --> 01:22:30,400
where they do nothing but deal with death. And they don't go stark-raving mad.

546
01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:37,400
It's like, what the hell's up with that? It's like working an impalutive care ward where your clients that you, you know, have a relationship.

547
01:22:37,400 --> 01:22:43,400
All they're going to do is die this week, next week, the week after. People do that.

548
01:22:43,400 --> 01:22:47,400
It's like, those people are tough, man. They're tough.

549
01:22:48,400 --> 01:22:54,400
So anyways, we went and watched this embalming, which was, I have a rather high level of disgust sensitivity.

550
01:22:54,400 --> 01:23:03,400
So it was a little on the rough side for me. But she sat there in first while she was not, we were outside this little room.

551
01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:08,400
She was not looking at that man, no way. And she kind of go like this. And you know, that was pretty good.

552
01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:15,400
And then she go like this. And then she go like this. And then she watched it.

553
01:23:16,400 --> 01:23:20,400
And then she asked if she could go in and she put on a glove and she touched the body.

554
01:23:20,400 --> 01:23:29,400
And she didn't have a fit. She didn't have a panic attack. And so she walked away from there learning that there was a hell of a lot more to her than she thought there was.

555
01:23:29,400 --> 01:23:33,400
And that she could see things that she didn't think she could see and live.

556
01:23:33,400 --> 01:23:40,400
And after that, she sort of had a touchstone. It's like, well, I'm kind of afraid of this. Well, is it as bad as going to see the abomin?

557
01:23:40,400 --> 01:23:44,400
No, it's not that bad. Well, I guess I can do it. It's like an initiation, right?

558
01:23:44,400 --> 01:23:56,400
She had an initiation. And so did I. You know, and I learned a lot from doing that. I learned that one of the things you need to do, if you're going to be a human being is to prepare yourself to be useful in the face of death.

559
01:23:56,400 --> 01:24:03,400
And so when you have a parent that dies, which, you know, shatters people's ideas off and they can't even think about it.

560
01:24:03,400 --> 01:24:11,400
If you can't even think about that, man, you've got some thinking to do because you need to be able to at least think about that.

561
01:24:11,400 --> 01:24:17,400
Otherwise, you're just going to be a wasteland when it happens. And you never know you could even have a higher ambition.

562
01:24:17,400 --> 01:24:25,400
Maybe you could even be useful when it happens instead of being part of the heap of destroyed people who also have to be taken care of.

563
01:24:25,400 --> 01:24:34,400
You know, and that's brutal. You have to be brutal to be useful in the aftermath of your parents death. You know, you don't get to crumble and fall apart.

564
01:24:35,400 --> 01:24:47,400
And no, he have every reason to. So you got to be kind of some tough monster to manage that. But you want to be useful in the face of tragedy or do you want to be pathetic?

565
01:24:47,400 --> 01:24:52,400
Well, you make your choice.

566
01:24:53,400 --> 01:24:59,400
So out of the unconscious, you get ritual, you get dreams, you get drama, you get stories, you get art, you get music.

567
01:24:59,400 --> 01:25:07,400
And that sort of buffers us. We have our little domain of competence and we're buffered by the domain of fantasy and culture.

568
01:25:07,400 --> 01:25:14,400
And that's really what you learn about when you come to university, if you're lucky and the professors are smart enough to actually teach you something about culture.

569
01:25:14,400 --> 01:25:23,400
Instead of constantly telling you that it's completely reprehensible and should be destroyed. It's like why you would prefer chaos to order is beyond me.

570
01:25:23,400 --> 01:25:30,400
The only possible reason is that you haven't read enough history to understand exactly what chaos means.

571
01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:38,400
And believe me, if you understood what it means, you'd be pretty goddamn careful about tearing down the temple that you live it.

572
01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:49,400
Unless you want to be a denizen of chaos and some people do. Because that's when the impulses that you harbor can really come out and shine.

573
01:25:49,400 --> 01:25:59,400
And so a little gratitude is in order and that makes you appreciative of the wise king, well being smart enough to know that he's also an evil tyrant.

574
01:25:59,400 --> 01:26:08,400
That's a total conception of the world. It's balanced. It's like, yeah, we should preserve nature, but good God. It is trying to kill us.

575
01:26:08,400 --> 01:26:16,400
And yes, our culture is tyrannical and oppresses people, but it is protecting us from dying. That's helpful.

576
01:26:16,400 --> 01:26:23,400
And yes, we're reasonably good people, but don't take that theory too far until you've tested yourself.

577
01:26:23,400 --> 01:26:32,400
And that's wisdom, at least in part. And that's what these stories try to teach you.

578
01:26:32,400 --> 01:26:41,400
There's a nice mythological representation. I love this one. It's like the dome of the known and the seeker looking outside.

579
01:26:41,400 --> 01:26:47,400
That's a metaphysical representation. And that is the world. It looks to us.

580
01:26:47,400 --> 01:26:55,400
Right? You go out and a field and it looks like there's a dome covering it. It's a circle. Big circle with a dome over it. And you know what's outside the dome?

581
01:26:55,400 --> 01:27:05,400
Well, the unknown, right? That's where heaven is. Theoretically, you know, it's a projection obviously. Heaven is in the unknown. Well, it was localized in space.

582
01:27:05,400 --> 01:27:10,400
I suppose that's partly because when people looked up in the sky, they were overwhelmed with awe.

583
01:27:10,400 --> 01:27:18,400
So it's a reasonable conclusion. You know, it's a projection of an unconscious presupposition.

584
01:27:18,400 --> 01:27:26,400
It's a projection of fantasy. You know, heaven is a fantasy. And I'm not denigrating fantasy by the way.

585
01:27:26,400 --> 01:27:32,400
And it's projected imaginatively onto the sky. And that's part of the way you discover what's in your fantasy.

586
01:27:32,400 --> 01:27:40,400
Well, this is us. Man, we mediate between chaos and order. And you know, those are the two archetypal representations fundamentally.

587
01:27:40,400 --> 01:27:55,400
You know, and I think they apply to both genders, you know, like women can act as the individual who holds the world on his or her shoulders and male men can play a maternal role.

588
01:27:55,400 --> 01:28:11,400
You know, female human beings are quite masculine and male human beings are quite feminine. And so, you know, maybe this archetype dominates among men and that archetype dominates among women, which I would say is that is the case.

589
01:28:11,400 --> 01:28:23,400
As far as I'm concerned, although there are individual conceptions, of course, those two things have to work in conjunction, but that's you. The eternal mediator between chaos and order.

590
01:28:24,400 --> 01:28:28,400
Which also has its enemy. So that's that's Horace there.

591
01:28:28,400 --> 01:28:39,400
And that's Seth, who's eventually turns into Satan as the, as the West progresses, so to speak, and that's represented there as well.

592
01:28:39,400 --> 01:28:48,400
The temptations of, I would say resentment and hatred, which everyone has to fight with all the time.

593
01:28:49,400 --> 01:29:00,400
All right, initiations. So this is cool. This is a standard hero story and initiate an issue to rewrite, so a part of human heritage. And so let's take a look. This is from Eliaida.

594
01:29:00,400 --> 01:29:10,400
I would like even now to stress the fact that the psychopathology of the shamanic vocation is not profane. It does not belong to ordinary symptomatology. It's not mental illness.

595
01:29:10,400 --> 01:29:35,400
It has an inter-necitory structure and signification. In short, it reproduces a traditional mystical pattern. The total crisis of the future shaman, sometimes leading to complete disintegration of the personality and to madness, can be evaluated not only as an initiatory death, but also as a symbolic return to the pre-cosmorganic chaos to the amorphous and indescribable state that precedes any cosmogity.

596
01:29:35,400 --> 01:29:48,400
What he means by that is that I suppose the mythological view of the emergence of order, that's a cosmogity, is that there's a state of potential and chaos out of which order emerges.

597
01:29:48,400 --> 01:29:58,400
Here's how it is that you think that way, because you do think that way. So imagine what you're facing when you're facing the future, right?

598
01:29:58,400 --> 01:30:05,400
Well, you might say, well, the future is full of potential, right? It's full of potential. What the hell does that mean?

599
01:30:05,400 --> 01:30:14,400
You know, you act as if that potential is really a real thing and you're confronting it all the time. I'm confronting the potential of the future.

600
01:30:14,400 --> 01:30:26,400
Well, it doesn't exist yet. So what you're confronting doesn't even really exist, what you're conceptualizing doesn't really exist. And in some sense, you bring it into being by plotting your path through it.

601
01:30:26,400 --> 01:30:37,400
Well, the pre-cosmorganic chaos is the same as the potential of the future. It's exactly the same idea. It's the realm of possibility from which actuality emerges.

602
01:30:37,400 --> 01:30:44,400
And you participate in turning that possibility into actuality. That's what you're doing all the time.

603
01:30:44,400 --> 01:30:58,400
Now, can I explain that? Well, no. I have no idea how consciousness and the substrate of the world interact. I can only say that that's how it looks. That's how it feels.

604
01:30:58,400 --> 01:31:10,400
That's how people act and they'll get into trouble if they don't manifest their potential. Whatever that is, that's all those things you could be that you're not. Well, where are those?

605
01:31:10,400 --> 01:31:24,400
It's just potential. Well, that's the chaos. This is a... that's the... I would say that's the... the cosmos. That's the cosmos that you live in all the time. It's a little story.

606
01:31:24,400 --> 01:31:35,400
It's the thing that you extract out of the chaos. It sort of consists of your conception of where you are now. And your conception of where you want to be at some point could be ten minutes, could be three years.

607
01:31:35,400 --> 01:31:44,400
It's... you can slide it. And then you have a little plan about how you should move your body to transform one into the other.

608
01:31:44,400 --> 01:31:51,400
That's your action pattern. That's a little story. And when you ask someone to say what they were up to, they'll tell you a little story like that.

609
01:31:51,400 --> 01:32:00,400
I was at some place and I went somewhere else and here's how I did it. And then they might tell you more interesting story, which is I was someplace.

610
01:32:00,400 --> 01:32:10,400
And something happened that I really didn't expect and it knocked me for a loop, you know? And that's a good divorce story.

611
01:32:10,400 --> 01:32:20,400
I came home one night and my wife was gone. It's like, yeah, chaos. And probably a bit of willful blindness preceding it. We might suspect.

612
01:32:20,400 --> 01:32:29,400
Anyways, down into chaos. And then well, maybe you learn something down there and maybe you don't, but hopefully you do. And you put yourself together if you're lucky.

613
01:32:29,400 --> 01:32:35,400
And then, pa, bang, you pop up into another little structure of order. And that's an initiatory process.

614
01:32:35,400 --> 01:32:45,400
It's like, you're somewhere stable, falls apart, or maybe you break it apart on purpose. You do it voluntarily. People do that all the time.

615
01:32:45,400 --> 01:32:56,400
You know, they do that, for example, when they experiment with drugs and they do that when they go on wild adventures. And you know, when they break themselves out of their normal routine and throw themselves somewhere.

616
01:32:56,400 --> 01:33:04,400
They don't understand and hope that that's going to produce a transformation of personality. That's the basic story. That's the initiatory story.

617
01:33:04,400 --> 01:33:11,400
Now, this is William James, who was one of the establishers of modern psychology. And I kind of know a guy.

618
01:33:11,400 --> 01:33:16,400
He was an early experimenter with psychedelics. Of course, they'll never tell you that, but he was.

619
01:33:16,400 --> 01:33:31,400
And he has his drug of choice was nitrous oxide, which is an inhalant gas, which seems to be inert. No one really knows why it works. But it produces quite intense hallucinogenic experience, mystical experience.

620
01:33:31,400 --> 01:33:37,400
Although, if you breathe too much of it, then you die because it doesn't have any oxygen in it. So, so don't do that.

621
01:33:37,400 --> 01:33:47,400
And he wrote some really bad hippy poetry back in the 1880s. Well, he was experimenting with nitrous oxide.

622
01:33:47,400 --> 01:33:49,400
I don't know, it's all read a little bit of that to you.

623
01:33:49,400 --> 01:33:56,400
Pure experiences the name, which I give to the original flux of life before reflection has categorized it.

624
01:33:56,400 --> 01:34:05,400
Only newborn babes in persons in semi-coma from sleep drugs, illnesses or blows can have an experience pure in the literal sense of that,

625
01:34:05,400 --> 01:34:15,400
which is not yet any definite what. Though ready to be any sorts of what's, both full both of oneness and of manliness,

626
01:34:15,400 --> 01:34:25,400
but in respects that don't appear changing throughout, yet so confusingly that it's phases interpenetrate and no points either of distinction or of identity can be caught.

627
01:34:25,400 --> 01:34:36,400
1905, William James, Journal of Philosophy. You know, a lot of these old guys that established what we regard as fairly stable bodies of knowledge,

628
01:34:36,400 --> 01:34:43,400
were just as crazy as you can possibly imagine they're just the most peculiar damn people and they get sanitized.

629
01:34:43,400 --> 01:34:51,400
You know, as they are represented in history and that's no fun. You know, I mean, it's much more interesting to know what they were like.

630
01:34:51,400 --> 01:34:59,400
They were just so bloody peculiar and strange and involved in all sorts of weird things that's a lot more fun to know that.

631
01:34:59,400 --> 01:35:14,400
Here's his poem, wow. It's like right from 1968. No verbiage can give it because the verbiage is other. Incoherent, coherent, same, and it fades and it's infinite and it's infinite.

632
01:35:15,400 --> 01:35:23,400
Don't you see the difference? Don't you see the identity? Constantly opposites united. The same me telling you to write and not to write.

633
01:35:23,400 --> 01:35:38,400
Extreme, extreme, extreme, something and other than that thing. Intoxication and otherness than intoxication. Every attempt, it betterment, every attempt, it otherment is a, it fades forever and forever as we move.

634
01:35:38,400 --> 01:35:43,400
It's like, it's just about as incoherent as postmodern as philosophy.

635
01:35:43,400 --> 01:35:50,400
So we know for our cake and traditional cultures that a symbolic return to chaos is equivalent to preparing a new creation.

636
01:35:50,400 --> 01:35:59,400
It follows that we may interpret the psychic chaos of the future shaman as a sign that the profane man is being dissolved and a new personality being prepared for birth.

637
01:35:59,400 --> 01:36:09,400
Transformation. Here's a way of thinking about it. Paradise, paradise lost, redemption, classic story of mankind.

638
01:36:09,400 --> 01:36:17,400
Always, there was a great past where in the state of chaos we're heading towards a better future. Everyone thinks that way.

639
01:36:17,400 --> 01:36:22,400
The stories are based on that. Well, that's that.

640
01:36:22,400 --> 01:36:34,400
Now, Ellen Burjay, who wrote a lot about the psychoanalysts, believed that Freud and Jung in particular had a creative illness which he regarded as a sort of spontaneous shamanic transformation.

641
01:36:34,400 --> 01:36:43,400
And he said, a creative illness has these elements. It follows, succeeds a period of intense preoccupation with an idea and search for certain truth.

642
01:36:43,400 --> 01:36:49,400
It's a polymorphous condition that can take the shape of depression, erosis, psychosomatic ailments or even psychosis.

643
01:36:49,400 --> 01:36:59,400
Jung was in that state when he wrote this book called The Red Book, which was just released last year, which is full of visionary illustrations and very strange poetry.

644
01:36:59,400 --> 01:37:11,400
And it contains the communications he had with imaginative beings that he conjured up when practicing, doing exactly that. He practiced that for years.

645
01:37:11,400 --> 01:37:19,400
And he had these autonomous beings manifest themselves in his fantasy and had long conversations with them.

646
01:37:19,400 --> 01:37:24,400
It's just, you know, well, he was working as a doctor and having a sane normal life.

647
01:37:24,400 --> 01:37:28,400
Well, it's kind of, well, it's really something.

648
01:37:28,400 --> 01:37:34,400
Whatever the symptoms they felt is painful while he thought maybe he was going mad, and some people think he did.

649
01:37:34,400 --> 01:37:43,400
If not agonizing by the subject with alternating periods of alleviation and worsening, throughout the illness, the subject never loses the thread of his dominating preoccupation.

650
01:37:43,400 --> 01:37:53,400
It's often compatible with normal, professional activity and family life, but even if he keeps to his social activities, he's almost entirely absorbed with himself.

651
01:37:54,400 --> 01:38:01,400
He suffers from feelings of isolation, even when he has a mentor who guides him through the Ordeal, like the Shaman apprentice with his master.

652
01:38:01,400 --> 01:38:05,400
The termination is often rapid and marked by a phase of exhilaration.

653
01:38:05,400 --> 01:38:17,400
The subject emerges from his Ordeal with a permanent transformation in his personality and a conviction that he has discovered a great truth or a new spiritual world.

654
01:38:17,400 --> 01:38:22,400
Many of the 19th and 20th century figures regarded universally as great.

655
01:38:22,400 --> 01:38:30,400
Nietzsche Darwin, Dostiowski, Tolstoy, Freud, Jung were all additionally characterized by lengthy periods of profound psychological unrest and uncertainty.

656
01:38:30,400 --> 01:38:35,400
Well, you don't generate a new theory without some birthpanks, right?

657
01:38:35,400 --> 01:38:41,400
Because your old theory has to bite the dust first, and when your old theory bites the dust, it's like, where are you?

658
01:38:41,400 --> 01:38:45,400
You don't know. Do you know if you're going to come up with a new one?

659
01:38:45,400 --> 01:38:55,400
So here's a cool thing. This is my daughter. She was five years at this point. She was playing Prince or Princess with Julian her three-year-old.

660
01:38:55,400 --> 01:39:00,400
She said, Dad, if we killed a dragon, we could use his skin as armor. Wouldn't that be a good idea?

661
01:39:00,400 --> 01:39:10,400
I thought, hey, that's a hell of an idea, kid. You know, you go right after the thing that frightens you the most and you develop something that protects you from doing that.

662
01:39:10,400 --> 01:39:18,400
Where did she get that idea? Well, good work, kiddo. She had plenty of dragons in her life.

663
01:39:18,400 --> 01:39:28,400
So, the following dream was described by my daughter, Michaela, three years, nine months old, about my son, Julian one year.

664
01:39:28,400 --> 01:39:33,400
Julian was in the process of toilet training and rapid speech development, was having some trouble controlling his emotions.

665
01:39:33,400 --> 01:39:40,400
Michaela liked to call him baby. We had several discussions about the fact that he wasn't really a baby anymore. She told me this story,

666
01:39:40,400 --> 01:39:47,400
while I was at the computer, so I was able to get it for a baby. She wasn't very happy with the idea that he wasn't a baby anymore, because she kind of liked the baby.

667
01:39:47,400 --> 01:39:54,400
She took care of that baby a lot and her little brain was having a hard time with the notion that whatever that thing is now, it isn't a baby.

668
01:39:54,400 --> 01:39:58,400
It's like, well, where's my baby and believe me, plenty of mothers go through the same thing.

669
01:39:58,400 --> 01:40:02,400
Then they attempt to keep their children babies for the rest of their lives.

670
01:40:02,400 --> 01:40:08,400
So, this is what Michaela said, the dream. Julian's eyes fell out and then he followed into pieces.

671
01:40:08,400 --> 01:40:12,400
I said, what sort of pieces? She said, Julian pieces.

672
01:40:12,400 --> 01:40:18,400
And the bones fall out too. Then a whole got him and there was water in it and when he came out he was big.

673
01:40:18,400 --> 01:40:25,400
Mom, Julian isn't a baby anymore? No, he's a big boy and a bug with legs got him out because bugs can swim.

674
01:40:25,400 --> 01:40:29,400
And the hole was in the park and it moved into the backyard and he followed into it.

675
01:40:29,400 --> 01:40:34,400
A tree burned and left the hole. I thought, wow, that's so amazing.

676
01:40:34,400 --> 01:40:37,400
It was a shamanic transformation dream.

677
01:40:37,400 --> 01:40:42,400
It was like the tree, that's the tree of life, it burned and left the hole.

678
01:40:42,400 --> 01:40:45,400
The kid fell into it, it dissolved him right down to his bones.

679
01:40:45,400 --> 01:40:51,400
This little bug which would be a union representation of the self, like Jiminy Cricket, by the way in Pinocchio.

680
01:40:51,400 --> 01:40:55,400
The bug was the thing that was alive that helped him through the transformation.

681
01:40:55,400 --> 01:40:57,400
He stepped out and now he was big.

682
01:40:57,400 --> 01:41:02,400
It's like that was her little brain conjuring up the notion of radical transformation.

683
01:41:02,400 --> 01:41:06,400
So, this is cool. I hope this works.

684
01:41:06,400 --> 01:41:11,400
This is a dream that my nephew had that someone animated.

685
01:41:11,400 --> 01:41:15,400
Jordan Peterson is a clinical psychologist from the University of Toronto.

686
01:41:15,400 --> 01:41:23,400
Now, I do disagree with some of his fundamental ideas, but his thoughts and facing problems merge with my story values.

687
01:41:23,400 --> 01:41:30,400
Within one of his maps of meaning and lectures, he tells a true story about a four-year-old boy, his nephew,

688
01:41:30,400 --> 01:41:36,400
who for months was suffering from terrible naitaras, tears that were waking him up screaming.

689
01:41:36,400 --> 01:41:40,400
This boy, by the way, did have some areas of instability in his family life.

690
01:41:41,400 --> 01:41:47,400
Jordan visited the young boy's house and the boy was running around for a night with a sword, a shield, and a helmet.

691
01:41:47,400 --> 01:41:50,400
At night time, he would take a sword and shield to bear.

692
01:41:50,400 --> 01:41:54,400
So, Jordan was speaking to him and the boy described his dream.

693
01:41:54,400 --> 01:41:58,400
In the dream, he was standing surrounded by knee-hate dwarves.

694
01:41:58,400 --> 01:42:06,400
These dwarves had beaks, and every time he would try to move the dwarves would jump up and bite him, a very fettings narrow for a young boy.

695
01:42:07,400 --> 01:42:15,400
And if he looked behind all the dwarves, the way in the background there was a dragon, and every time this dragon would puff out fire and smoke, more dwarves would be created.

696
01:42:15,400 --> 01:42:19,400
So, there's no point fighting off the dwarves because more would just be made.

697
01:42:19,400 --> 01:42:24,400
So, Jordan tapped him and asked, what could you do about that?

698
01:42:24,400 --> 01:42:27,400
So, the kid says he could jump up on the dragon's head.

699
01:42:27,400 --> 01:42:30,400
He could put her to his eyes with a sword, he couldn't see.

700
01:42:31,400 --> 01:42:41,400
Then he could go go down the throat, to the box where the fire came from, a carapace out of that box, thereby destroying it, and use that piece as a shield.

701
01:42:41,400 --> 01:42:52,400
The child, before Jordan arrived, was already acting out on life what a new he had to do, and after that conversation, he had no more nightmares.

702
01:42:52,400 --> 01:42:58,400
This is what Marcus really has meant when he said, the impediment to action advances action.

703
01:42:58,400 --> 01:43:01,400
What stands in the way becomes the way.

704
01:43:01,400 --> 01:43:07,400
He was telling us that we must not share away from problems or shown our personal response of all of it.

705
01:43:07,400 --> 01:43:14,400
He must be willing to sacrifice or comfort, go to the source of our problems to solve them, and then take something away.

706
01:43:14,400 --> 01:43:16,400
Well, there you go.

707
01:43:16,400 --> 01:43:21,400
So, yeah, he was waking up screaming at night for weeks.

708
01:43:21,400 --> 01:43:22,400
That's night terrors.

709
01:43:22,400 --> 01:43:26,400
He couldn't really remember what hell was going on, and there was instability in his family.

710
01:43:26,400 --> 01:43:32,400
His parents got divorced soon after, and he was off to kindergarten, and that was kind of destabilizing him too.

711
01:43:32,400 --> 01:43:35,400
And so it was fun to watch him zip around as a night.

712
01:43:35,400 --> 01:43:38,400
It's like, you know, where to get that idea?

713
01:43:38,400 --> 01:43:47,400
Well, he watched TV, he watched movies, he, his little imagination was aggregating the picture of the hero, and then he was trying to act it out.

714
01:43:47,400 --> 01:43:49,400
That's what he was doing, pretending, right?

715
01:43:49,400 --> 01:43:54,400
I'm pretending to be the thing that takes on the unknown, and then he has this amazing dream.

716
01:43:54,400 --> 01:44:03,400
It's mind boggling, it's so sophisticated, it's like, well, here I am, and there's troubles everywhere, and they're biting me. They're jumping up on me.

717
01:44:03,400 --> 01:44:08,400
And it's like a hydra, you know, in the hydra, you cut off a hydra's head and seven more heads grow.

718
01:44:08,400 --> 01:44:10,400
It's like, that's life, man.

719
01:44:10,400 --> 01:44:13,400
So, all of one problem, seven more appear, right?

720
01:44:13,400 --> 01:44:20,400
So, well, so that was the dragon at the background, chaos itself, and chaos kept breeding.

721
01:44:20,400 --> 01:44:25,400
These evil little dwarfs, which is what it does, it's like it's one damn trouble after another.

722
01:44:25,400 --> 01:44:27,400
You fight this one off, fight this one off, it's like who cares?

723
01:44:27,400 --> 01:44:34,400
The dragon, the dwarf generating machine is still working in the background, so he, I asked him, and that was purposeful.

724
01:44:34,400 --> 01:44:36,400
What could you do?

725
01:44:36,400 --> 01:44:38,400
See, that's a leading question.

726
01:44:38,400 --> 01:44:41,400
That implies that there's something that he could do.

727
01:44:41,400 --> 01:44:48,400
He said, well, I take my dad, that was missing in the animation, and we'd go, well, poke the dragons.

728
01:44:48,400 --> 01:44:52,400
It's always out, go right down to the source of the problem.

729
01:44:52,400 --> 01:44:54,400
Extinguish it, make a shield, right?

730
01:44:54,400 --> 01:44:59,400
So, that meant that he would have strengthened his character by the encounter.

731
01:44:59,400 --> 01:45:02,400
So, brilliant.

732
01:45:02,400 --> 01:45:07,400
And then, and I talked to his mum from months afterwards, done no more night terrors.

733
01:45:07,400 --> 01:45:09,400
What had happened?

734
01:45:09,400 --> 01:45:12,400
He identified with the mythological hero.

735
01:45:12,400 --> 01:45:14,400
He identified with St. George and the dragon.

736
01:45:14,400 --> 01:45:22,400
He identified with that little bloody tree dwelling primate, who 20 million years ago was the first one to drop a stick on a snake.

737
01:45:22,400 --> 01:45:33,400
He adopted the classic human mode of being in the face of uncertainty, and construed himself as that which could prevail.

738
01:45:33,400 --> 01:45:35,400
End of terrors.

739
01:45:35,400 --> 01:45:42,400
Well, I guess we're done, eh?

740
01:45:42,400 --> 01:45:51,400
So, we're going to do something a little different than the syllabus today, because, you know, we've got this one hour, two hour problem.

741
01:45:51,400 --> 01:45:56,400
I already can't cover constructionism reasonably in two hours, about one hour.

742
01:45:56,400 --> 01:45:57,400
That was supposed to be today.

743
01:45:57,400 --> 01:46:06,400
So, I'm going to do instead, is continue on the line that I've been pursuing, but I'm going to expand it up more into union psychology, which is the,

744
01:46:06,400 --> 01:46:09,400
what we're going after after constructivism anyways.

745
01:46:09,400 --> 01:46:17,400
And so, I can weave the constructivism and the depth psychology together, and it's nice to do that, because it gives you a kind of coherent view.

746
01:46:17,400 --> 01:46:25,400
So, just so you know, we're one lecture ahead at the moment, roughly speaking, and I'll do constructivism on Tuesday for two hours.

747
01:46:25,400 --> 01:46:28,400
So, alright, so I showed you that animation.

748
01:46:28,400 --> 01:46:33,400
I told you about my nephew's dream, which is remarkable dream, you know, really.

749
01:46:33,400 --> 01:46:36,400
It's just amazing, amazing dream.

750
01:46:36,400 --> 01:46:46,400
And it's got this archetypal pattern, you know, and the pattern is that there's a threat, and worse than that, that there are threats.

751
01:46:46,400 --> 01:46:50,400
And at the back of it, there is the fact of threat itself.

752
01:46:50,400 --> 01:46:53,400
You see, so human beings were so smart, hey.

753
01:46:53,400 --> 01:46:56,400
So, this is so amazing that we figured this out.

754
01:46:56,400 --> 01:47:03,400
So, you imagine, well, human beings are the only creatures that can really conceive of the class of all threatening things, right?

755
01:47:03,400 --> 01:47:06,400
And that's kind of why we can be permanently anxious.

756
01:47:06,400 --> 01:47:07,400
So, it's sort of annoying.

757
01:47:07,400 --> 01:47:16,400
So, you know, here you are, and it's safe, there's no lions here, or anything that might prey on you.

758
01:47:16,400 --> 01:47:20,400
But you can think of something to be anxious about no problem, you know?

759
01:47:20,400 --> 01:47:26,400
I'm certain you've got some little skeleton rattling around in your closet somewhere that's like eating away at you.

760
01:47:26,400 --> 01:47:33,400
And so, I think part of the reason we're so damn awake human beings is because we're always anxious.

761
01:47:33,400 --> 01:47:36,400
Like, and you have to be awake when you're anxious.

762
01:47:36,400 --> 01:47:45,400
And the anxiety system actually activates your particular activating system, and that actually produces.

763
01:47:46,400 --> 01:47:48,400
It's the substrate for consciousness.

764
01:47:48,400 --> 01:47:56,400
If you snap a few fibers in the back of your brain that are part of the reticulating activating system in a car accident or something, you'll go into a coma.

765
01:47:56,400 --> 01:47:57,400
And that'll be that.

766
01:47:57,400 --> 01:47:58,400
You're not getting out of it.

767
01:47:58,400 --> 01:48:01,400
It doesn't take much of an injury either in the right place.

768
01:48:01,400 --> 01:48:07,400
So, anyways, so human beings have been struggling with this problem of threat forever.

769
01:48:07,400 --> 01:48:13,400
Really, for as long as there's been life, or at least as long as there's been life with a nervous system.

770
01:48:13,400 --> 01:48:16,400
And, you know, that's several hundred million years.

771
01:48:16,400 --> 01:48:17,400
It's a long time.

772
01:48:17,400 --> 01:48:23,400
And, of course, it's easy to, you know, to respond to a particular threat.

773
01:48:23,400 --> 01:48:24,400
Think about zebras.

774
01:48:24,400 --> 01:48:25,400
They're out there on the veld.

775
01:48:25,400 --> 01:48:27,400
And there's lions everywhere, right?

776
01:48:27,400 --> 01:48:30,400
But the zebras are like, they're calm because their lions are sleeping.

777
01:48:30,400 --> 01:48:33,400
And so, the zebras don't think, apparently.

778
01:48:33,400 --> 01:48:34,400
Oh, my God.

779
01:48:34,400 --> 01:48:37,400
What was going to happen with those lions wake up?

780
01:48:37,400 --> 01:48:39,400
Because they don't think that way.

781
01:48:39,400 --> 01:48:44,400
You know, and they're not going to be happy if the lion goes into a hunting crouch and starts its hunting approach.

782
01:48:44,400 --> 01:48:47,400
Obviously, but it's not like the zebras are freaking out.

783
01:48:47,400 --> 01:48:50,400
No, I'm stopped because there are lions around, you know.

784
01:48:50,400 --> 01:48:57,400
So, they can react to specific threats, but human beings, partly because we discovered the future, which was a big mistake.

785
01:48:57,400 --> 01:49:01,400
There's a big mistake because the future is an uncertain place.

786
01:49:01,400 --> 01:49:06,400
We realized that, well, there isn't any threat right now, but there might well be some tomorrow.

787
01:49:06,400 --> 01:49:12,400
And if there isn't some tomorrow, well, maybe next week or next month or next year, like it's common.

788
01:49:12,400 --> 01:49:14,400
And so, there's danger.

789
01:49:14,400 --> 01:49:17,400
So, it's the category of danger, you know.

790
01:49:17,400 --> 01:49:21,400
And out of the category of danger, emerge specific threats.

791
01:49:21,400 --> 01:49:32,400
And the dragon seems to be a symbol of, it is a symbol, I believe, of the ever-present fact of predatory, slightly predatory threat.

792
01:49:32,400 --> 01:49:41,400
But our nervous systems, as they've become capable of abstraction, have used that underlying architecture to represent more abstract categories.

793
01:49:41,400 --> 01:49:55,400
So, it's not a predator, like a dragon, it is not a predator because there are no dragons, but maybe a dragon is a snake and a crocodile and maybe a leopard and maybe a predatory bird all mangled into one monster.

794
01:49:55,400 --> 01:49:59,400
Because a monster is actually technically something that's made out of disparate parts.

795
01:49:59,400 --> 01:50:08,400
And so, it's a good symbolic representation for the unknown as such, that which lies beyond the campfire, let's say, and what lurks out there.

796
01:50:08,400 --> 01:50:12,400
And so, the eternal problem is what the hell do you do with the dragon?

797
01:50:12,400 --> 01:50:17,400
And that also explains why the dragon typically is a treasure-gargher, right?

798
01:50:17,400 --> 01:50:18,400
Because it's even more.

799
01:50:18,400 --> 01:50:20,400
The problem is even worse.

800
01:50:20,400 --> 01:50:23,400
Out there in no man's land, out there in potential.

801
01:50:23,400 --> 01:50:26,400
There's threat and mortal threat.

802
01:50:26,400 --> 01:50:33,400
But there's also endless opportunity and riches and wealth and the possibility of attracting someone and all of that.

803
01:50:33,400 --> 01:50:37,400
And so, well, the dragon, you can't just be afraid of it.

804
01:50:37,400 --> 01:50:43,400
You just stay in your burrow the whole time and lots of animals more or less do that, especially the North Turnlwants.

805
01:50:43,400 --> 01:50:44,400
They just hide away.

806
01:50:44,400 --> 01:50:48,400
But that isn't what human beings are like because we're not only prey animals, right?

807
01:50:48,400 --> 01:50:50,400
And then, of course, we're crazy.

808
01:50:50,400 --> 01:50:52,400
We're absolutely insane chimpanzees, right?

809
01:50:52,400 --> 01:50:53,400
We're crazy.

810
01:50:53,400 --> 01:51:07,400
And so, we're always out there mucking about with things and with our, you know, fingers and our thumbs and taking the world apart and putting it back together and we're crazily exploratory and and trouble making.

811
01:51:07,400 --> 01:51:12,400
And so, we don't just run from dragons, we go hunt them down.

812
01:51:12,400 --> 01:51:22,400
And so, and so there's a story here that there's the oldest story that mankind knows and literally it is the oldest story that we know is this story.

813
01:51:22,400 --> 01:51:36,400
It's in the story basically as there's a bounded space, a walled garden, a walled city, you know, and all the original cities were walled because if they weren't barbarians would swoop in and they just steal all your stuff and so, you know, that was kind of pointless.

814
01:51:36,400 --> 01:51:41,400
So, you know, you wanted to have some major league walls surrounding your territory.

815
01:51:41,400 --> 01:51:45,400
So, that's inhabited space and inside that is your little dominance hierarchy.

816
01:51:45,400 --> 01:51:49,400
And so, all you primates knew exactly who was who inside that space.

817
01:51:49,400 --> 01:51:57,400
So, you didn't have to fight with each other and you could predict each other's behavior because you believed the same things and saw the world roughly the same way and acted the same way.

818
01:51:57,400 --> 01:51:59,400
And so, you were sort of secure.

819
01:51:59,400 --> 01:52:02,400
But then the problem is is that that can always be breached.

820
01:52:02,400 --> 01:52:04,400
There's always something outside of it that's a danger.

821
01:52:04,400 --> 01:52:10,400
And so, that signified by this, this little creature here is, this dragon.

822
01:52:10,400 --> 01:52:15,400
And that, that twirl in its tail is very common among dragons.

823
01:52:15,400 --> 01:52:22,400
It's actually a symbol because you're, images, the language is, images, the symbols have an ancient language.

824
01:52:22,400 --> 01:52:26,400
It's referring to something that's basically eternal.

825
01:52:26,400 --> 01:52:30,400
And see, it lives down here in this cave because it's an underground thing.

826
01:52:30,400 --> 01:52:31,400
It's an underground thing.

827
01:52:31,400 --> 01:52:33,400
And you can kind of imagine what that's like.

828
01:52:33,400 --> 01:52:37,400
And sometimes this happens in initiation rituals among archaic people.

829
01:52:37,400 --> 01:52:42,400
They're going to, when they're going to initiate, usually the young men, because nature initiates women, no by itself.

830
01:52:42,400 --> 01:52:49,400
Usually the young men, maybe they'll put them in a cave and leave them there, you know, for like, well, who knows how long.

831
01:52:49,400 --> 01:52:51,400
And so, garlic, what's in a cave?

832
01:52:51,400 --> 01:52:53,400
And caves are dark, man.

833
01:52:53,400 --> 01:52:57,400
I don't know if you've ever been in one, but like they're dark and they're really dark.

834
01:52:57,400 --> 01:53:03,400
And so, not only is there whatever, there is in a cave, and you don't know what the hell's in the cave.

835
01:53:03,400 --> 01:53:06,400
There's whatever you imagine might be in the cave.

836
01:53:06,400 --> 01:53:14,400
And so, when you're in that cave and you're alone, you're confronting the devils and demons and monsters of your own imagination, you know.

837
01:53:14,400 --> 01:53:17,400
And so, then you have a chance to perhaps deal with that and overcome it.

838
01:53:17,400 --> 01:53:30,400
And that's perhaps part of the initiation ceremony, you know, and that's part of growing up, because you have to learn how to face the things that terrify and upset you and re cast them and put them back together.

839
01:53:30,400 --> 01:53:42,400
We talked a little bit about this idea of the pre-cosm agonic chaos that Eliata refers to, and that's the stuff out of which order is produced at the beginning of time.

840
01:53:42,400 --> 01:53:46,400
And it's also the stuff out of which you constantly reproduce order.

841
01:53:46,400 --> 01:53:54,400
And the young, the young ones, the psychoanalysts, especially the really deep psychoanalysts, like young, Freud was a more surface psychoanalyst.

842
01:53:54,400 --> 01:53:56,400
And that's not an insult.

843
01:53:56,400 --> 01:54:02,400
Some things that Freud figured out that are absolutely amazing. He was a precursor to young for sure.

844
01:54:02,400 --> 01:54:14,400
For young, the heroes journey was the journey inside the unconscious, and that would be perhaps in some sense that the willingness to face everything terrible that's happened to you and to think it through and to articulate it.

845
01:54:14,400 --> 01:54:23,400
And to come to grips, perhaps with your own capacity for malevolence, that was a really important part of union ideas that the first step towards individuation,

846
01:54:23,400 --> 01:54:34,400
which is the manifestation of your full self, let's say, was the discovery of your shadow, and your shadow is the part of you that will do terrible things under the right circumstances,

847
01:54:34,400 --> 01:54:45,400
and maybe even without that much provocation. And it's a terrifying part of you to come into contact with, because it's sort of the way that you're specifically attached to the archetype of evil.

848
01:54:45,400 --> 01:54:52,400
That's a good way of thinking about it. And modern people, they don't really think much about the idea of good and evil,

849
01:54:52,400 --> 01:54:57,400
because the most of them, so they are naive, you can just barely even comprehend it.

850
01:54:57,400 --> 01:55:08,400
If you read any history, if you really read it, and you don't come away with the idea that evil exists, it's like you're just reading the wrong kind of history.

851
01:55:08,400 --> 01:55:14,400
It's just unbelievable what people can do to each other. And we're so imaginative.

852
01:55:15,400 --> 01:55:25,400
And one of the things I figured out about people, the reason that we have the knowledge of good and evil, let's say, is that because we're self-conscious, and we know about ourselves,

853
01:55:25,400 --> 01:55:32,400
we know about our own vulnerability, right? You know what hurts you. You really know what hurts you way more than an animal knows.

854
01:55:32,400 --> 01:55:41,400
And so, and you're also creative, and so once you know what hurts you, man, you can really hurt someone else, and you can do it in such a creative way, you can draw it out,

855
01:55:41,400 --> 01:55:48,400
make it excruciating, you can take people apart physically and psychologically, and you can keep them safe and right on the edge of death,

856
01:55:48,400 --> 01:55:52,400
so that you can keep doing that endlessly, and you know, that happens.

857
01:55:52,400 --> 01:56:01,400
Hell of a lot more than you think it happens. It happens a lot, and so, well, and you think, well, you know, that doesn't involve me.

858
01:56:01,400 --> 01:56:07,400
It's like, oh yes, it does, man, that's the problem, because you know, you're a human, and that's the sort of things that human beings are capable of.

859
01:56:07,400 --> 01:56:17,400
I'm not saying you're all, it's all probable that you do that ever, or that, but I'm saying that, you know, you got to take that into account.

860
01:56:17,400 --> 01:56:24,400
When you're looking at the world, and you think about all the perpetrators out there, it's like, it's not like there's perpetrators and there's victims.

861
01:56:24,400 --> 01:56:35,400
That isn't how it works. It doesn't work that way at all, and so the horrors of humanity, as well as the noble elements of humanity are all elements of your central being,

862
01:56:35,400 --> 01:56:44,400
and for you, and this is the terrible thing, for you, the pathway to higher wisdom was through the terrible portal of, well, you could say, hell for that matter.

863
01:56:44,400 --> 01:56:51,400
Really, and so who wants to do that, man? It's like, no, you know, like, maybe you resentful about something.

864
01:56:51,400 --> 01:56:59,400
Well, you probably are, because like everybody's resentful about something, you know, and resentment is just vicious emotion. It's really useful.

865
01:57:00,400 --> 01:57:21,400
Because if you're resentful about something, it either means that you should grow the hell up and accept the responsibility and quit sniveling around and whining, or it means that someone actually is oppressive you and pushing on you too hard and bullying you and demeaning you, and you have something to say, or do that you're not saying or doing.

866
01:57:21,400 --> 01:57:31,400
And no wonder you're not saying or doing it because, you know, it can be really dangerous to say things or do them to free yourself from being oppressed.

867
01:57:31,400 --> 01:57:37,400
You can get in a lot of trouble in the short term for doing it, so it's easier just to not say anything sort of day after day.

868
01:57:37,400 --> 01:57:46,400
In the short term, you protect yourself, but just crushes you, and then the resentment comes up and resentment man, that can just get so out of hand.

869
01:57:46,400 --> 01:57:57,400
You know, it starts with resentment and then it starts, it goes to the desire for revenge, you know, because you'll play nasty little tricks on the person that's oppressing you at any chance you'll talk about them behind their back.

870
01:57:57,400 --> 01:58:15,400
And if they want you to do something you'll do it badly or you'll do it grudgingly or you'll do a half rate job and you'll set up little traps and, you know, so it puts you in a poisonous space and then if that, if you really start to dwell on that say in your basement for three or four years about just exactly how terrible the world is and how that's focused on you.

871
01:58:15,400 --> 01:58:30,400
And how everyone's rejected you and how you get to this point where you're thinking that, you know, existence itself is a kind of poisonous endeavor and that the best thing for you to do is go out there and do as much, you know, create as much mayhem as you possibly can.

872
01:58:30,400 --> 01:58:39,400
And if you really get to a dark place you think, I'm going to create as much mayhem as I possibly can by targeting the most innocent thing I can possibly imagine.

873
01:58:39,400 --> 01:58:46,400
And then you end up shooting kids in Connecticut and that's how you get there and so that's a bad road man.

874
01:58:46,400 --> 01:58:52,400
There's dark things down there but you can go there and people do and they go through the whole of resentment.

875
01:58:52,400 --> 01:59:02,400
And so resentment can tell you you've got something to say, you bloody well better say it, you've got to free yourself from what's oppressing you.

876
01:59:02,400 --> 01:59:08,400
You have to stand up for that because otherwise you become oppressed and then once you're oppressed.

877
01:59:09,400 --> 01:59:15,400
That's just not so good and so like in your marriage and your relationships.

878
01:59:15,400 --> 01:59:19,400
You've got to tell people what you're thinking you don't have to assume you're right.

879
01:59:19,400 --> 01:59:26,400
That's a whole different story because you're not because you're ignorant and you're biased and, you know, so you're not right.

880
01:59:26,400 --> 01:59:37,400
But you can stumble towards the expression of yourself and then you can listen to the other person and hope that they tell you some way that you're stupid that's useful.

881
01:59:37,400 --> 01:59:41,400
So you can be a little less stupid in the future because that wouldn't that be good.

882
01:59:41,400 --> 01:59:45,400
And so you know you go after the unknown.

883
01:59:45,400 --> 01:59:49,400
You don't protect what you know we already know what you know.

884
01:59:49,400 --> 01:59:53,400
You go after what you don't know that's why you have to talk to people you don't agree with.

885
01:59:53,400 --> 01:59:57,400
That's why you have to talk to your enemies because they're going to tell you things you don't know.

886
01:59:57,400 --> 02:00:01,400
You could even listen to them it's possible they know a thing or two you don't know.

887
02:00:01,400 --> 02:00:06,400
But people don't like that you know they just talk to people who think the same way and then they just stay stupid.

888
02:00:06,400 --> 02:00:24,400
And so that's and that's not good because if you're not wise the world will wallop you it'll flatten you and far more than it has to and then you'll be better and resentful and you'll be part of that force that wallops instead of the force that fights against that.

889
02:00:24,400 --> 02:00:33,400
So also you go after the dragon and that's what that's what this guy is doing he's going after the dragon hit it's threatening the society because it always does.

890
02:00:33,400 --> 02:00:55,400
Okay chaos what's outside of order always threatens order always always always and so you have to step forward you know in this manner voluntarily and and go after that when it's still manageable right and that's the case in your own life too so you know if you're if you've had a proclivity to be bullied in the past you know.

891
02:00:55,400 --> 02:01:05,400
And you get out of that what you have to do is you have to make yourself awake to the to the might to the to the what would you say to the.

892
02:01:05,400 --> 02:01:13,400
To the initial stages of that sort of bullying emerging in your life again that sort of domination and you have to step forward against it.

893
02:01:13,400 --> 02:01:23,400
And still in its developing stages because maybe you can just not have it happen that would be better and so you have to be ready to speak what you have to say.

894
02:01:23,400 --> 02:01:31,400
More or less on a moment's notice you can't be impulsive about it you know like if you are talking and you make mistake or I make a mistake.

895
02:01:31,400 --> 02:01:42,400
Even if it's bothers one or the other of us we should just write it off because it's like one encounter what the hell you you know maybe we had a bad night sleep or something you know you should be a little forgiving and.

896
02:01:42,400 --> 02:01:54,400
But if it happens twice then you know you should be a little awake and you should remember both times and then if it happens a third time it's like that's when you what that's when you act and you say look.

897
02:01:54,400 --> 02:02:05,400
We talked and this happened and I thought yeah whatever and but then you did it again and then you just did it again well then the person is basically like what are they going to do you know.

898
02:02:05,400 --> 02:02:16,400
No well maybe they might argue with you but you kind of got them and you generally if you just point that out to people just like that just that you noticed and are willing to say something about it.

899
02:02:16,400 --> 02:02:34,400
They'll back the hell off they'll often apologize and sometimes you even make them a little more conscious which is like hey that's not such a bad idea that's what all this means and so this car this chaos ideas so for you was the unconscious right it was the contents of your unconscious and so that might be the unknown past.

900
02:02:34,400 --> 02:02:44,400
The threatening past that you have never dealt with might be the threatening future it might be the threatening present but you realized as his as he got older that.

901
02:02:44,400 --> 02:02:55,400
That the unconscious was also the world and you think and so the chaos is not only your unconscious mind which meets the unknown but it's actually the unknown itself mingled together.

902
02:02:55,400 --> 02:03:04,400
You think what the hell does that part that's why the dragon is a land creature and an air creature it's matter and spirit at the same time and this sort of gets us into.

903
02:03:04,400 --> 02:03:12,400
Constructivism because the constructivists think that basically what happens is that you encounter those elements of the world that don't fit into your theory.

904
02:03:12,400 --> 02:03:23,400
And out of those new elements you make the world through your perceptions and you make yourself by incorporating the information and transforming yourself and that's how PGA explains the development of a child.

905
02:03:23,400 --> 02:03:34,400
The child starts out with some reflexes basic reflexes and manifesting the reflexes produces results in the world and then the child has to reorganize its perceptions to take into account.

906
02:03:34,400 --> 02:03:43,400
The transformations and so then it gets a little more sophisticated and then it can do a few more things and then it can manifest more changes in the world and then it.

907
02:03:43,400 --> 02:03:52,400
It tracks them and modifies its perceptions and actions to account for them and it just keeps doing that and that's how the child boots itself up like a computer does.

908
02:03:52,400 --> 02:04:03,400
It's a very cool idea and so from from the PGA stand so it's struck to the stance you could think of the world as a latent pool of information it's something like that.

909
02:04:03,400 --> 02:04:30,400
With a structure obviously that you can interact with with your little fingers and your body and your mind and your eyes and your mouth and you make changes happen and you track them and you model them and you build your skills and as you continue to do that in the safety of your house initially under the care of your parents who who fill in where your ignorant you you just emerge more and more confident and confident and ready to move ahead.

910
02:04:30,400 --> 02:04:43,400
So that's how the constructivist idea works and so there's kind of a chaos idea at the bottom of that which is that out of which you emerge and the world emerges at the same time because you know you don't see reality.

911
02:04:43,400 --> 02:04:54,400
Not at all you see almost like an animated version of reality you know like when I look at you I just see the front of you I just see the outside of you I see you at this height I don't see any of your internal structure.

912
02:04:54,400 --> 02:05:04,400
I don't see the the back part of you at all I don't see your family I don't see your history I don't see your future you know I just see this slice of you.

913
02:05:04,400 --> 02:05:23,400
You're so complicated I just see this little like oversimplified slice of you right now and I think that's the reality and it's it's sort of the reality the way that the Simpsons a Simpsons character is you it's like it's sort of like you and it's enough so that you can watch the story but.

914
02:05:23,400 --> 02:05:25,400
The story but the real you man.

915
02:05:25,400 --> 02:05:39,400
God only knows what that is and that's a union idea you know that the real you is something that radically transcends your perception of yourself or your conception of yourself and that you get to that higher you at least in part.

916
02:05:39,400 --> 02:05:52,400
By going into the darkest place and so it's a hell of an idea man it's really it but it's the old idea of initiation it's as old as time that idea and and there's something to it and we definitely recreate it in cycle.

917
02:05:52,400 --> 02:06:06,400
The recreated in cycle therapy like this isn't an airy theory it's quite the contrary because what you do and as a psychologist always always a behavior say that the most the most logical clinical type of psychologists.

918
02:06:06,400 --> 02:06:15,400
A behaviorist is an initiatory shaman even though he or she doesn't know it because what they do is they say okay well let's take a look at your life like.

919
02:06:15,400 --> 02:06:24,400
Okay, you got a bunch of problems and they're like massive dragons and you're just like you're not going anywhere with those problems you're just towering in the corner and.

920
02:06:24,400 --> 02:06:34,400
And what the behavior therapist does is cut them cut that dragon into those little dwarfs until the dwarfs are small enough so that you can really kick the hell out of them.

921
02:06:34,400 --> 02:06:45,400
And so and that by the way they do that is they they take the problem and they decompose it into elements that are small enough that you have a reasonable probability of mastering them.

922
02:06:45,400 --> 02:06:57,400
And then you take the problem apart into into its micro problems careful careful analytic process and then you think okay well how could we progress a little bit this week and some of that is.

923
02:06:57,400 --> 02:07:14,400
To face to practice facing things you're afraid of so like if you're agrofobic and you can't get on an elevator you can't get on a taxi and you can't stand up to your husband and I'm saying husband because most agrofobics are women most of them are middle aged women and most of them were too dependent for most of their life so that's a monster it's like.

924
02:07:14,400 --> 02:07:26,400
Society husband elevator taxi subway it's a monster and it's that place you will not go and that's because you feel this high and everything else looks this big.

925
02:07:26,400 --> 02:07:37,400
And so and partly that's because you run away and when you run away from something it grows in chases you which is well it's exactly what happens to a prey animal man if you go in the woods and you find a bear.

926
02:07:37,400 --> 02:07:49,400
Especially a grizzly well you're in real trouble if it's a grizzly but if it's a black bear you know generally speaking if you stand your ground and make a hell of law of noise that thing will leave you alone but if you run.

927
02:07:49,400 --> 02:07:53,400
Well what's it supposed to think it eats things that run from it.

928
02:07:53,400 --> 02:08:05,400
So that's exactly where that idea came to come from you turn tail and run and then the thing that you're afraid of is really a monster and it's going to like get you an eat you it's like well that's true psychologically as well.

929
02:08:05,400 --> 02:08:15,400
And and the same circuits that we use to when we were you know out in the forest even even in trees the same circuits that we used to parse up the world then into.

930
02:08:15,400 --> 02:08:28,400
Safe territory and place where the predators loom is the way we parse up the world now which is safe territory and the place where the predators loom it's just become abstracted way up abstracted way up.

931
02:08:29,400 --> 02:08:46,400
So but it's the same damn circuits it's we know this like the same circuits you use to forage for information to dopam energy circuit is the circuit that squirrels used to forage for knots and you think well why well it's because there's no difference between information and food.

932
02:08:46,400 --> 02:08:52,400
Like you trade information for food all the time that's what you're doing when you're working especially if you're working on a computer.

933
02:08:52,400 --> 02:09:01,400
So the idea that there's there's an equation between information and food it's like well obviously obviously there's an equation between them.

934
02:09:01,400 --> 02:09:10,400
So of course you'd use the same circuits and I mean the damn squirrel has to remember where the knots are and so for him information is food even.

935
02:09:10,400 --> 02:09:16,400
So in what happened to human beings is that we started thinking hey maybe it's better to go after information.

936
02:09:16,400 --> 02:09:25,400
Then it is to go after food because going after information produces more food than just going after food and so that was a pretty damn smart idea.

937
02:09:25,400 --> 02:09:29,400
So we're still doing that so anyways this is what you're supposed to be doing.

938
02:09:29,400 --> 02:09:35,400
And so and this is what behavior therapists do they decompose your problems what are you afraid of well.

939
02:09:35,400 --> 02:09:43,400
Let's get some specific your afraid of well I'm afraid of an elevator okay an elevator so I have a client.

940
02:09:43,400 --> 02:09:53,400
She's afraid of elevators the elevator door open she goes that's a tomb and I thought oh wow I thought it was an elevator but for you it's not a bloody elevator.

941
02:09:53,400 --> 02:10:00,400
It's death and so that's what you're afraid of it's worse than that you're afraid of being trapped inside there in the dark alone alone.

942
02:10:01,400 --> 02:10:07,400
Not knowing if anyone is going to rescue you stuck there with your damn imagination freaking out.

943
02:10:07,400 --> 02:10:14,400
It's like and if that's not and then maybe you have a heart attacks because you're so terrified and you die it's like you know.

944
02:10:14,400 --> 02:10:25,400
So that's the elevator well it's no bloody one who no one's going to get into something like that and then maybe underneath that is your distrust in the mechanisms of society right because you know.

945
02:10:25,400 --> 02:10:43,400
A normal person those weird creatures they'll get an elevator what the hell they don't care and partly it's because they have an implicit belief even if the things stops somebody will come along and rescue them and usually you don't even think about it right it's like oh what the hell it's an elevator it's like.

946
02:10:43,400 --> 02:10:46,400
The danger is invisible to you.

947
02:10:46,400 --> 02:10:58,400
And it's partly because you implicitly trust the structure and so maybe you go into the unconscious presuppositions of the person who is terrified of the elevator in the subways and you find out they have a real problem with trusting authority.

948
02:10:58,400 --> 02:11:03,400
That's partly why they don't get along with their husband why they've never been able to stand up for themselves.

949
02:11:03,400 --> 02:11:14,400
So then you say okay while you're afraid of the damn elevator but it's not an elevator it's a tomb and the tomb is partly you and partly it's partly the elevator and partly you're unconscious mind and so.

950
02:11:14,400 --> 02:11:28,400
What can you handle can you go and look at an elevator from 10 feet away it's like yes okay how about nine feet away yes five feet yes four feet no okay no problem four and a half feet we're going to go from that elevator.

951
02:11:28,400 --> 02:11:48,400
We're going to look at the damn thing until you're bored of it because that's what we're trying to you should be bored of the elevator because then you're not afraid of it obviously it's like it's an elevator you just don't notice it right all these things around here that you don't notice I take you out of here and ask you what color the walls are you haven't got any idea.

952
02:11:48,400 --> 02:12:03,400
You know I suspect for most of you there's not a chance you'd be able to identify the gender of the person who's sitting next to you unless you know that's like you just don't remember anything and why should you everything works like you don't have to pay attention to it.

953
02:12:04,400 --> 02:12:19,400
Is that staying up yeah still up yeah still up still up I was like really no you know you get bored of that real quick and so then you just ignore it and but the agrofobic is had that.

954
02:12:19,400 --> 02:12:27,400
Vail of ignorance tore in a way and what they see behind it is mortal threat and so that's really what you're helping them deal with and so.

955
02:12:27,400 --> 02:12:32,400
This week they're for and a half feet from the elevator next week they're a foot from the elevator and week after that.

956
02:12:32,400 --> 02:12:38,400
The horrible gates of hell open and they look inside and they don't run and so hey.

957
02:12:38,400 --> 02:12:44,400
They're tougher than they thought they were and that's what you're teaching them actually you're not teaching them that the world isn't dangerous.

958
02:12:44,400 --> 02:13:09,400
Because that's a stupid thing to teach someone bloody right the world is dangerous it's terrifying and sometimes people under they realize that and the veil lifts and they see horror everywhere they see that and then they think well I'm just a little rabbit I'm over here in the corner I can't move I'm petrified and then they can't move they hide it home they cover at home because everything is become a predatory domain.

959
02:13:09,400 --> 02:13:14,400
And so what you teach them is you're not as much of a rabbit as you think.

960
02:13:14,400 --> 02:13:33,400
And part of that is that you help them grow some teeth so that they can go home and have that fight with their husband that they should have had 25 years ago and it happens very frequently with agrofobic clients that you get them so they can go on the day I'm elevator and they can go on the subway and they can take a taxi it maybe they learn to drive.

961
02:13:33,400 --> 02:13:43,400
They get some autonomy and then they're a little tougher and so then they can stand up for themselves and they go back and like there has been might not be very happy with any of this.

962
02:13:43,400 --> 02:13:54,400
Really it depends on what sort of guy he is you know if he's a real tyrant he might be just perfectly happy that he's married to someone who you know is afraid of her own shadow because then she won't ever leave.

963
02:13:54,400 --> 02:13:58,400
And so that's a nasty little story and believe me it's not uncommon.

964
02:13:58,400 --> 02:14:04,400
So she gets tougher by facing what she fears and what she finds out is there's a hell of a lot more to her than she thought.

965
02:14:04,400 --> 02:14:09,400
And that's really what happens when you do behavior therapy with someone who's agrofobic.

966
02:14:09,400 --> 02:14:14,400
It isn't really that they get less afraid it's that they get braver that's way different.

967
02:14:14,400 --> 02:14:19,400
It's because brave is alert and able to cope.

968
02:14:19,400 --> 02:14:26,400
Nave is there's no danger it's like hell. Yeah, right there's no danger Jesus what a stupid theory that is.

969
02:14:26,400 --> 02:14:44,400
So anyways that's what all this is that's that's the story man and it's a it's a major story it's the story of human transformation and growth it's the evolution of mankind it's like it's a major story and we've been working on the damn thing for like.

970
02:14:44,400 --> 02:14:59,400
God only knows how long you know snakes and primates co evolved and our vision our sharp sharp sharp vision seems to have been an evolutionary adaptation forced on us by the presence of predatory snakes.

971
02:14:59,400 --> 02:15:08,400
And we're talking tens of millions of years ago and human beings have unbelievably sharp eyesight the only thing that can out see us is birds of prey.

972
02:15:08,400 --> 02:15:18,400
And they have like an eagle a bald eagle has eyes as big as ours and it has two foe of us that foe of the central part of the vision so an eagle is all eyes man.

973
02:15:18,400 --> 02:15:26,400
And so but human beings were kind of like that too and like half our brain is devoted to visual processing we have acute vision.

974
02:15:26,400 --> 02:15:40,400
In Madagascar where there are primates with no predatory snakes their lemurs they can't see where the dam and anthropologist named Lynn is bel did a comprehensive study worldwide trying to account for the acuity of primate vision and what she found was that.

975
02:15:40,400 --> 02:15:45,400
The more predatory snakes and the vicinity the sharper the eyesight of the primates.

976
02:15:45,400 --> 02:15:55,400
And so we have a really sharp eyesight so that means a lot of us read by snakes and none of your ancestors fortunately because otherwise he wouldn't be here but a lot of those who fell by the wayside were.

977
02:15:55,400 --> 02:16:11,400
Snake snack and you know when you're little and living in a tree a snake is no damn joke and even now lots of people get bitten by snakes and people are phobic of snakes at quite a rate and some of that actually seems innate.

978
02:16:11,400 --> 02:16:17,400
There's arguments about psychologists about this but even the ones who don't accept the fact that it's innate.

979
02:16:17,400 --> 02:16:27,400
Except the fact that you can make someone afraid of a snake by conditioning just like that we're trying to make them afraid of a flower by conditioning is really really hard.

980
02:16:27,400 --> 02:16:37,400
So we're at least at minimum prepared to be afraid of snakes minimum and I believe it's I don't I believe the fear is actually innate although you can learn to control it.

981
02:16:37,400 --> 02:16:50,400
So anyways so that's that story and like what a story man. So amazing amazing story you see the the den of the dragon here is littered with skulls and bones that's what that is so the thing is no joke.

982
02:16:50,400 --> 02:16:58,400
It's like look the hell out and that's this you know and look it up at the top right hand corner there you know that's from Peter Pan right.

983
02:16:59,400 --> 02:17:16,400
Well you remember Captain Hook we talked about him already he's a tyrant and he's a tyrant because he's afraid of death and that's only season life and so it makes him cruel and better and death is already taken part of him right that's why he has a hook and that damn crocodiles chasing him tick tick tick tick tick all the time and of course.

984
02:17:17,400 --> 02:17:24,400
That's the same situation you're all in man there's a crocodile with a clock at its stomach chasing you and it could easily turn you into a tyrant.

985
02:17:24,400 --> 02:17:30,400
It can turn you into a tyrant or a cowering victim or a hero those are the options fundamentally.

986
02:17:30,400 --> 02:17:43,400
So and that's the gorgon looking at her own the madusa looking at her own reflection you know mother nature with the head full of snakes you know a terrifying vision and that's actually to some degree an archetype that men get confused with women.

987
02:17:44,400 --> 02:17:55,400
And you know that's the witchy part of women and that's the part that's attractive attractive attractive but rejecting rejecting and so many men are petrified by women they won't approach them at all.

988
02:17:55,400 --> 02:18:07,400
They have no idea how to talk to them they're just petrified into immobility and that's way more common than you think and so that breeds resentment like you wouldn't believe you know you hear the guy who shot up like.

989
02:18:08,400 --> 02:18:30,400
Dawson college it's like what the hell do you think motivated him it's like he that's what he saw and and it was because it's well he was my opinion is he's too god damn useless to be attractive to anyone and so that's a hell of a place to be in you know it's that's the problem too if you're chronically rejected by people it's often because of your own insufficiencies.

990
02:18:30,400 --> 02:18:48,400
You know whether that's cowardice or lack of social skills or whatever it is it's like you can't just brush it off as oh well you know no one likes me but really I'm okay it's like no no wrong if everyone rejects you there's probably something wrong and it's probably deep and difficult and it's going to be horrible to fix.

991
02:18:48,400 --> 02:19:02,400
And so it's this isn't a trivial problem it's not a trivial problem at all and so you know that's mother nature for man too because from from the sexual selection point of view if they if they're not selected as a mate.

992
02:19:02,400 --> 02:19:20,400
nature has taken them out of the game right and so you know people don't really like that they're not that happy without and so but getting all whiny about it and then getting violent is like that's just not all not really very helpful although it's very common so.

993
02:19:21,400 --> 02:19:37,400
This is Lynn is a bell an evolutionary arms race between early snakes and mammals triggered the development of improved vision and large brain in primates a radical new theory suggests these are old representations I really like this one this is I don't remember I think it's Greek.

994
02:19:37,400 --> 02:20:01,400
But it doesn't exactly look Greek it might be older it doesn't matter anyways you see it's the same thing same ideas as as Graham's dream right it's like there's this thing that exists this multi headed snake and it's got this infinity problem it's everywhere that's that little circle down there and the problem is well what do you do with it cut off one head seven more growth that's the eternal problem of life and the problem is.

995
02:20:01,400 --> 02:20:12,400
There there there is the category of problems in life and it ain't going anywhere and so the question is can you deal with the whole category at the same time.

996
02:20:12,400 --> 02:20:25,400
That's the thing that's how to be in the world is to deal with that category all at the same time and so how did you how did human beings what did they come up with as a solution and that's so cool too because the solution they come up with.

997
02:20:25,400 --> 02:20:32,400
The only was the heroism that allows you to approach what you're terrified by and what you find offensive and to learn from it.

998
02:20:32,400 --> 02:20:44,400
But also the idea of sacrifice and and that was played out by cultures everywhere including human sacrifice and you think what they hell was up with those crazy bastards so long ago they were sacrificing to gods all the time.

999
02:20:44,400 --> 02:20:54,400
The only way to be able to do this is to be able to do this is to be able to do this.

1000
02:20:54,400 --> 02:21:06,400
Well they weren't stupid those people if they were stupid we wouldn't be here they were not stupid and believe me they lived under a lot harsher conditions than we do so those were some tough people man.

1001
02:21:06,400 --> 02:21:20,400
You know back then you'd last about 15 minutes and so you don't want to be thinking of your ancestors as stupid like there's no real evidence that we're much different cognitively than we were 150,000 years ago so anyways.

1002
02:21:20,400 --> 02:21:33,400
Sacrifice what does that mean sacrifice well it's a discovery man it's the discovery of the future it's like the future is it actually the place where there is threat and it's always going to be there so what do you do.

1003
02:21:33,400 --> 02:21:38,400
You make sacrifices in the presence so that the future is better.

1004
02:21:38,400 --> 02:21:47,400
Right everyone does that that's what you're doing right now that's what you're doing here that's what your parents are doing when they pay money to send you to university they think.

1005
02:21:47,400 --> 02:21:49,400
You can bargain with reality.

1006
02:21:49,400 --> 02:22:01,400
It's amazing you can bargain with reality you can force stole gratification now and it'll pay off at a place in time that doesn't even exist yet.

1007
02:22:01,400 --> 02:22:13,400
It's like who would have believed that it's like that's a miracle that that occurs and it's not like people just figured that overnight you know we were chimps for Christ's sake like how are we gonna come up with an idea like that.

1008
02:22:13,400 --> 02:22:20,400
Well, it's like well we thought about it for seven million years and you know what we got to the point where we could kind of acted out.

1009
02:22:20,400 --> 02:22:37,400
But we didn't know what we were doing but it was a it emerged like a dream it was so the terror of the future is a dream and the solution to the terror the dream of the terror of the future is another dream and it comes out in mythology and in fantasy and in drama.

1010
02:22:37,400 --> 02:22:47,400
Where you act out the sacrifice and then it's a step on the way to full understanding so we can say sacrifice now instead of doing it you know although we still do it.

1011
02:22:47,400 --> 02:22:50,400
It's just not concretized like it used to be.

1012
02:22:50,400 --> 02:23:00,400
We do it abstractly and we all have faith that it will work you know and we also set up our society so that it will work and one thing about you know.

1013
02:23:01,400 --> 02:23:11,400
I'm not a fan of moral relativism for a variety of reasons partly because I think it's in the it's an extreme form of cowardice but anyways apart from that.

1014
02:23:11,400 --> 02:23:25,400
No, no, no, no there's minimal ways that you can set up a society that will work and so one of them is is that the society has to be set up so that your sacrifices will pay off or you won't work and then the society will die.

1015
02:23:25,400 --> 02:23:36,400
It has to make promises people have to make promises to one another and that's what money is money is a promise that your sacrifice will pay off in the future that's what money is.

1016
02:23:36,400 --> 02:23:54,400
And so if the society is stable you can store up your work right now you can sacrifice your impulses and you can work and you can store up credit for the future and then you can make the future a better place but society has to be stable enough to allow for that.

1017
02:23:54,400 --> 02:24:10,400
The inflation will do you in so the promise that's implicit in the currency is the promise that what you're doing now will pay off in the future and if people don't have that promise then well we know what they do because in in gangs for example and say gangs in North America.

1018
02:24:10,400 --> 02:24:24,400
The time horizon of the gang member shrinks rapidly because they don't really expect to be alive that much past 21 and so they get really impulsive and violent and like why the hell not that's that's what you do when when the future doesn't matter when it's not real.

1019
02:24:24,400 --> 02:24:53,400
You default back to living in the moment and you take what you can get right now and no wonder because you don't know if you're going to be around in any year and you get whatever you can well you can bloody well get it and that's like anarchy that state and so you don't want to live in some people like to live in that state because they're really wired for that you know and so they're they're much more comfortable in those conditions they're they're kind of like warrior types I would say in some sense but you know for most people that's just.

1020
02:24:53,400 --> 02:25:00,400
Where that's stressful just do you in you know the stress of a life like that so.

1021
02:25:00,400 --> 02:25:17,400
That's a pretty horrible picture the one on the right I think and you know it's it's a creepy picture and don't you think it seems like a creepy picture to me yeah and so that's quetzal occult if I remember correctly who's knee who is an Aztec.

1022
02:25:17,400 --> 02:25:23,400
I think it's a very good thing in God and that's the eye of Horace by the way this little thing here and.

1023
02:25:23,400 --> 02:25:35,400
That's see the Egyptians they worship the eye. Yeah well that's cool because it well why did they worship the eye well wake the hell up and look at the world that's your salvation to do that pay bloody attention.

1024
02:25:35,400 --> 02:25:44,400
The things you don't want to pay attention to and use your vision have some vision and you can use your vision to see into the future and that is your.

1025
02:25:44,400 --> 02:25:55,400
That's your redemption and the Egyptians they didn't know how to say that but they knew how to represent it and that's how they represented it like the people on that is completely open.

1026
02:25:55,400 --> 02:26:08,400
It's completely dilated and that's a God as far as the Egyptians were concerned it's Horace and I'll tell you Horace the story at some point so early primates developed a better eye for color detail and movement and the ability to see in three dimensions.

1027
02:26:08,400 --> 02:26:14,400
Trates that are important for detecting threats of close range humans are descended from these same primates.

1028
02:26:14,400 --> 02:26:18,400
All right so now the initiation.

1029
02:26:18,400 --> 02:26:28,400
Wait when you go into psychotherapy or when you make any supreme moral effort which is roughly the same thing you have to confront that which you do not know now.

1030
02:26:28,400 --> 02:26:39,400
I mentioned the cut pre-bacosmogonic chaos and the idea that at the end of young's life he sort of thought of the unconscious and the world as the same and you think what the hell does that mean but here's what it means.

1031
02:26:39,400 --> 02:26:43,400
So let's say you're in a long term intimate relationship and you get betrayed.

1032
02:26:43,400 --> 02:26:51,400
Okay so what is it that you see when you see your partner at the moment you know of the betrayal.

1033
02:26:51,400 --> 02:26:56,400
Well you see the pre-cosmogonic chaos and here's why.

1034
02:26:56,400 --> 02:27:04,400
Well it rattles your unconscious up because you don't know anything anymore you don't know what the past was right you don't know what it was.

1035
02:27:05,400 --> 02:27:14,400
And it's supposed to be real and all of a sudden you don't know what it was and so you come up with wild ideas about what it might have been and what it represented and then you don't know what the future is going to be anymore.

1036
02:27:14,400 --> 02:27:19,400
So then your fantasy feels that space and you don't know who the hell you're looking at.

1037
02:27:19,400 --> 02:27:24,400
That's for sure and you don't know much about human beings and you certainly don't know anything about yourself.

1038
02:27:24,400 --> 02:27:35,400
And so all of a sudden not only is everything in chaos inside your mind but everything is in chaos in your world and it actually is and there's no telling the difference between those two things.

1039
02:27:35,400 --> 02:27:43,400
You know and so then you're just shattered and so then you go talk to a therapist for like two years and you think what happened.

1040
02:27:43,400 --> 02:27:53,400
What was the reality and the reality is because who knows what the reality was like but as far as your concern the reality is I better represent this properly.

1041
02:27:54,400 --> 02:28:04,400
In my head I better figure out who I was who that person was what we did together and what it meant because I do not want this to happen again.

1042
02:28:04,400 --> 02:28:16,400
And so you're healed when you get to the point where you've grasped the bloody moral of the story what went wrong and how can I not have that happen again.

1043
02:28:16,400 --> 02:28:22,400
And that's the purpose of learning right that's the purpose of memory it's to prepare you for the future.

1044
02:28:22,400 --> 02:28:34,400
And so you have to pull out of that massive chaos a functional representation that increases your wisdom so that you're not this naive target the next time you enter into a relationship.

1045
02:28:34,400 --> 02:28:44,400
So at least you can have another relationship without being so traumatized that you know you you're done and you know it can take people years to talk that through because.

1046
02:28:44,400 --> 02:28:54,400
This landscape of potential opens up when when they're betrayed it's like well anything could have been the truth well you to sort through that.

1047
02:28:54,400 --> 02:29:07,400
You have to wander through all that mess and it's really painful and an emotional as well you have to sort through all that mess to come out with the new you right the renewed you and so.

1048
02:29:08,400 --> 02:29:12,400
Well, this is a representation of it. This is how people act this out.

1049
02:29:12,400 --> 02:29:23,400
By but whatever method he may have been designated the shaman is recognized as such as only after having received two methods of instruction the first is ecstatic dreams,

1050
02:29:23,400 --> 02:29:31,400
the second is traditional shamanic techniques names and functions of the spirit mythology and genealogy of the clan and the secret language.

1051
02:29:31,400 --> 02:29:48,400
Well, one of the things that happens this happens to you even if if you encounter something terrible like a betrayal what happens is that you have to take a journey into the domain of morality essentially which is how did I act and how did that person to act and how should have they acted and how should have I acted.

1052
02:29:48,400 --> 02:30:01,400
And so and that's part of your cultural structure and so that's the idea of rescuing the dead father from the depths right and that's what will show you some examples of that so.

1053
02:30:01,400 --> 02:30:17,400
This is a critical issue with regards to the shamanic transformation is that people go through these terrible terrible experiences often drug and do so by the way with regards to the shaman they usually use psychedelic chemicals of one form another often mushrooms but but they've come up with some very strange concoctions.

1054
02:30:17,400 --> 02:30:34,400
Like Ayahuasca down in the Amazon and Ayahuasca is an amazing substance it's made out of the bark of one thing and another plant whose name I don't remember that hardly even grow in the same place and that have to be cooked together in a special way.

1055
02:30:34,400 --> 02:30:47,400
No one has any idea how the dam Amazonians figured that out looks impossible and if you ask them they say well the plants told us how to do it which you know western people don't find very helpful but the shaman's are perfectly help happy with that.

1056
02:30:47,400 --> 02:31:03,400
That description and Ayahuasca takes them apart and it does that in part because it's fixed the serotonergic system very very powerfully like all psychedelics do and it transports them to another world and that's how they interpreted and.

1057
02:31:03,400 --> 02:31:10,400
And what we know about psychedelics you could put in a thimble and then throw the thimble away we know nothing about psychedelics.

1058
02:31:10,400 --> 02:31:24,400
There's new experiments going on at Johns Hopkins for example with psilocybin which is part of this act of chemical and magic mushrooms same structure basically as LSD and masculine and all the real psychedelics have basically the same structure except.

1059
02:31:24,400 --> 02:31:31,400
The one that's derived from amenita mascara which is called muskronic acid and it's a it's its own weird thing that no one knows anything about.

1060
02:31:31,400 --> 02:31:36,400
Anyways, they have profound neurochemical effects in very small doses and.

1061
02:31:36,400 --> 02:31:48,400
The research group at Johns Hopkins has given psilocybin to research subjects you know purified psilocybin because they started the new experimentation with psychedelics and that's been banned for like 40 years.

1062
02:31:48,400 --> 02:31:54,400
And psychedelics were so terrifying to our culture that we just put them away it's like, oh no we're not going there.

1063
02:31:54,400 --> 02:32:02,400
And so even from a research perspective and even though some of the psychedelics look very promising for the treatment of disorders like alcoholism.

1064
02:32:02,400 --> 02:32:12,400
They recently used psilocybin to help people stop smoking down at Johns Hopkins and I think they had an 80% success rate which is just like that's just absolutely mind boggling.

1065
02:32:12,400 --> 02:32:20,400
But if you give people psilocybin and they have a mystical experience which is very common among people who take these sorts of chemicals then.

1066
02:32:20,400 --> 02:32:30,400
Their personality transforms permanently such that one year later there one standard deviation higher in openness and openness is the creativity dimension.

1067
02:32:30,400 --> 02:32:41,400
And that seems to be a permanent transformation so that's really remarkable and about 80% of the people who undergo the Johns Hopkins experiments report that the experiences like one of the two are more three most important things.

1068
02:32:41,400 --> 02:32:49,400
They've ever that's never ever happened to them and so well that's that's something you know it's like.

1069
02:32:49,400 --> 02:32:57,400
And then there's this guy named Rick Straussman down at I think he was at the University of Texas and he did experimentation with DMT and DMT.

1070
02:32:57,400 --> 02:33:05,400
I met Phil Triptamine I remember correctly is the act of ingredient in Ayahuasca and you produce it in your brain and it's in plants.

1071
02:33:05,400 --> 02:33:12,400
It's like a very common chemical but DMT is a weird hallucinogen because it has an extraordinarily short mechanism of action.

1072
02:33:12,400 --> 02:33:25,400
It's like and people who take it report that they're blasted out of their body like out of a cannon and then they go out somewhere and encounter beings of various sorts and then.

1073
02:33:25,400 --> 02:33:35,400
And then later they're back and virtually everyone reports that which is really strange and and so Straussman was giving people DMT intervenously so that the trip would last longer.

1074
02:33:35,400 --> 02:33:52,400
He this was all all you know NIH funded experimentation all cleared with the relevant ethics boards all conducted within the last 10 years and he basically quit doing it because he was a pretty straight scientist you know he was measuring heart rate and pulse and all that sort of thing trying to look at the physiology and then.

1075
02:33:52,400 --> 02:34:00,400
The people he was giving these chemicals to kept coming back and telling them these these crazy stories and.

1076
02:34:00,400 --> 02:34:19,400
Well, it just it was too much for them you know and no wonder you know because they all said the same thing and he'd say well that was a dream and they say no and it was the most real thing that ever happened to me and he'd say well you know it's an archetypal experience and they'd say no no no that was no archetypal experience I went somewhere else and I saw things and I'm back and like I don't care what you'd say.

1077
02:34:19,400 --> 02:34:37,400
And like who the hell knows right because it's all subjective but but the weird thing about it is that everyone's reporting the same thing how the hell do you account for that and then the shaman you know when they take these psychedelic chemicals they basically say the same thing they say well first of all it more or less killed me.

1078
02:34:37,400 --> 02:34:39,400
That's this.

1079
02:34:40,400 --> 02:34:49,400
You know I dissolved to skeleton and then I climbed the tree that you nights heaven and earth and I went into the realm of the gods and they gave me some information and I'm back.

1080
02:34:49,400 --> 02:34:59,400
It's like okay well you know we don't really know what to make of that and we and certainly that's what I already have described who need describes the shamanic the shamanic procession that the shamanic.

1081
02:34:59,400 --> 02:35:29,400
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1082
02:35:29,400 --> 02:35:59,400
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1083
02:35:59,400 --> 02:36:29,400
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1084
02:36:29,400 --> 02:36:59,400
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1085
02:36:59,400 --> 02:37:27,400
He never went to church. It's like what the hell? And then there's a little bug there that goes up and down from heaven to earth. And that was him. I thought he had a very organized psyche. That kid. He was a very, very stable kid. And still is. And he drew that. And I thought Jesus. That's just bloody well unbelievable. And I still think that when I look at it. And that's a great example of an archetype. And so we'll see you Tuesday.