1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:15,000 A leader with a crown of bullets and a gospel of guns, 2 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:18,000 A&E investigates the Sanctuary Church. 3 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:22,000 The Sanctuary Church, it speaks the language of Christian values, 4 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:26,000 but people need to know that this isn't a Christian organization. 5 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:30,000 They have someone who has guns who believes the world is trying to attack them. 6 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:34,000 No government or no man can stand over, take our crown and disarm us. 7 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:38,000 Did he actually order every member to go out and buy assault rifles? 8 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:45,000 The rod of iron with which you will rule the nations of the earth, rule, rule, rule. 9 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:50,000 You're putting guns into kids' hands and giving them religious reasons to use them. 10 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:52,000 Long live the Sanctuary! 11 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:56,000 We will see violence, we will see deaths. 12 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:58,000 The equalizer of force! 13 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:00,000 You can have a potential way go on your hands. 14 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:05,000 What is the resort when you and your followers will pick up your assault rifles... 15 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:26,000 A few moments from now the Royal Procession will enter. 16 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:29,000 Today's ceremony is a marriage blessing, 17 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:37,000 where couples have been asked to attend with crowns and AR-15 rifles as religious... 18 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:41,000 Several media outlets have described your group as a cult. 19 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:45,000 Can you please respond to that? Is your group a cult? 20 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:50,000 So I ask myself, what do people, 21 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:55,000 what do you think is the most important thing for the society to do? 22 00:01:55,000 --> 00:02:01,000 I think the most important thing is to have a culture of a culture of a culture. 23 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:08,000 So I ask myself, what do people consider to be a cult? 24 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:16,000 And my conclusion is that a group is a cult if it is a small religious organization th... 25 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:18,000 And that is a cult. 26 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:41,000 A Wayne County church held a marriage blessing ceremony today encouraging people... 27 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:47,000 A school was forced to cancel class while dozens of people held unloaded AR-15 rifles. 28 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:51,000 We're not going to allow evil to rule over us anymore. 29 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:55,000 This is Reverend Sean Moon of Sanctuary Church in a video posted online. 30 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:58,000 He's the son of the late controversial religious leader, 31 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:02,000 This is the continuation of the Moonies as far as I'm concerned, but now they're on. 32 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:06,000 This guy's the Messiah and this and that. It's a cult. Period. 33 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:20,000 When I saw those pictures of Sanctuary Church, I was like, something's got to be... 34 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:24,000 AR-15s, like Sanctuary Church had AR-15s. 35 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:28,000 And I'm like, the gun of the mass shootings of America. 36 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:33,000 I think it's important that people speak up. 37 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:40,000 This is the world that I know, and I want to get to know it more because it speaks to a... 38 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:42,000 when things get out of control. 39 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:47,000 If ever there was a red flag, it's those photos of Sanctuary Church with guns and... 40 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:51,000 Sanctuary Church is a splinter group from the Unification Church, 41 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:54,000 which was also known as the Moonies. 42 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:59,000 Sanctuary Church leader Sean Moon believes himself to be the heir of that mission, 43 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:02,000 which was founded by his father, Sun Moon. 44 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:07,000 Teddy, you grew up in the Moonies as they were called to the outside world, the... 45 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:08,000 Right. 46 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:11,000 Born into it. Both your parents were members. What was it like? 47 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:14,000 I particularly grew up in the Moonies. 48 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,000 Both your parents were members. What was it like? 49 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:21,000 I particularly grew up near the Moon family in Tarrytown, New York. 50 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:30,000 To be a Unification Church member is to devote yourself completely to Reverend Moo... 51 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:34,000 Sun Myung Moon and Hock Jahan, they were considered the true parents of mankind, 52 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:38,000 and we were instructed to love them more than our own parents. 53 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:44,000 Even in our own homes, we had more pictures of the Moon family than our own family on ... 54 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,000 It was as if they were watching us at all times. 55 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:02,000 Moon claimed that when he was 16, he got a visitation from Jesus. 56 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:08,000 The Jesus told him that he, Jesus, had failed in his mission to bring peace to the world. 57 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:11,000 He got crucified before he could finish his mission. 58 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:17,000 Reverend Moon's mission was to consecrate and create a pure blood lineage, 59 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:22,000 the thing that Jesus Christ was unable to do. 60 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:26,000 So he married Han Hock Jahan. He had many children, 61 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:35,000 and because he did that, they claimed that he was able to create a perfect family that h... 62 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:52,000 Moon's new interpretation of Christianity caused outrage. 63 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:58,000 Accused of brainwashing, the movement was criticized for its mass weddings 64 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:01,000 where followers were matched with total strangers. 65 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:08,000 In the Invocation Church, basically you have to purchase your way with money into a... 66 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:15,000 Rituals like the blessing, it's like a way of lifting your spiritual status, and it alwa... 67 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:19,000 They're like, you can only get here if you pay this much for this service. 68 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:27,000 It's like you don't think about the money, and you feel better in paying more in orde... 69 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:32,000 The Moonies were labeled a cult pretty much from the get-go. Why? 70 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:40,000 One way to look at that label is to examine the totalist nature of the demands that th... 71 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,000 They're not going to be able to do that. 72 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,000 They're going to be able to do it. 73 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:46,000 They're going to be able to do it. 74 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,000 They're going to be able to do it. 75 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,000 They're going to be able to do it. 76 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:52,000 They're going to be able to do it. 77 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:59,000 The way to look at that label is to examine the totalist nature of the demands that th... 78 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:01,000 Which was what? 79 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:10,000 Well, people gave up everything and worked 24-7 for the organization, following the... 80 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,000 It worked like a dictatorship. 81 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:19,000 We did exactly as we were told without questioning, and believed that we were... 82 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:26,000 and that we were selling God by taking their money, and intrinsically, faith was wrappe... 83 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:29,000 When I was in the group, if Moon had ordered me to kill, I would have killed like that. 84 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:32,000 I would have been willing to die in the process. 85 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:36,000 First of all, you're taught that your own physical life isn't important anyway. 86 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:41,000 It's assumed that you're going to perish somewhere along the line, but you're worki... 87 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:48,000 Eventually, my parents saw how the Moon family was just getting out of control wit... 88 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:55,000 They were just living these incredibly luxurious lives while other church familie... 89 00:07:55,000 --> 00:08:01,000 And they just couldn't live with that anymore, and they had to kind of walk away. 90 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:23,000 In 2008, Reverend Moon and his wife, Hock Jehan, the two parents, did a power... 91 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:32,000 That coronation, that transferral, is one of the bases for Sean's claim that he is the... 92 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:37,000 The other, of course, is that Sean is in the blood lineage of Father Moon. 93 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:40,000 It calls into mind that picture they have. 94 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:50,000 You've got the Reverend Moon with his hand on Sean's shoulder, and then in front of Sean... 95 00:08:53,000 --> 00:09:07,000 Hey, Teddy. 96 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:08,000 Hey, man. 97 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:09,000 How's it going? 98 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,000 My name is Samuel Pak. 99 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:22,000 I am the second oldest living son of Reverend Sung Myung Moon, and I am the older... 100 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:36,000 I'm coming forward at this time because I'm concerned about how my younger half-brothe... 101 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:41,000 The Sanctuary Church is really the legacy of the Unification Church. 102 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:44,000 You know, they have three basic factions right now. 103 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:48,000 You have Han Hak Ja, who is my father's widowed wife. 104 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:58,000 She holds onto the original core church, and then you have Preston, and he got away wit... 105 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:03,000 And then you have Sean right now, who's holed up in Sanctuary. 106 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:17,000 My father proclaimed himself to be the Messiah of mankind, the King of Kings, the... 107 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:29,000 Sean was considered at one point my father's duly appointed successor, and he considers... 108 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:35,000 They thought Reverend Moon was dead. Reverend Moon is back, fools! 109 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:44,000 Sean Moon, he's using the Unification Church's legacy and the loyalty of the... 110 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:55,000 You know, I remember Sean, and I think, you know, we talked about this where he was a... 111 00:10:55,000 --> 00:11:01,000 He would show how to start fires, how to build shelters, and actually I learned a f... 112 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:10,000 Traditionally, how the monks do it is they put the shorter section over like their le... 113 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:19,000 You know, your strong arm sort of being out, and hang it down like that, and then throw... 114 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:26,000 And I thought, hey, maybe this guy is taking the UC in a different direction. Fast forw... 115 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:32,000 The rod of iron! The equalizer of force! 116 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:42,000 They recreated the Unification Church logo as one with like guns crossing each other on ... 117 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:51,000 The Bible says in Revelation 20, it also mentions, and Christ sends fire from heave... 118 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:58,000 Fire! What is a firearm? It's fire, the power of fire. What is the rule of iron? Rod of... 119 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:06,000 Sean Moon, basically, he got the idea of the rod of iron from the book of Revelation in... 120 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:14,000 And so this is why he has, he calls the gun the rod of iron to like protect, you know,... 121 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:25,000 And when I saw that he was quoting the book of Revelations, that was a red flag to me... 122 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:33,000 they often cited the book of Revelations to justify their behavior and attitudes towar... 123 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:44,000 And citizenry needs to have weapons that can tear people up because if the government g... 124 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:50,000 you have to be able to have the force and the threat of tearing those people up. 125 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:56,000 If there is a situation where they feel like they're under attack, where they feel like... 126 00:12:56,000 --> 00:13:02,000 if they are going to be consistent with their belief system and what they're saying,... 127 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:09,000 And that's where it is very dangerous. That's where you can have a potential way go on y... 128 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:13,000 And that is what scares the hell out of me. 129 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:21,000 Revolution 1915. 130 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:33,000 And from his mouth comes a sharp sword with which you will smite the nations and rule... 131 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:39,000 He moved from a relatively peaceful person to being armed to the nines. 132 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:45,000 Right. Such a short period of time. And he's developing a cadre of loyal followers. 133 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:51,000 Who, from our past experience, will do what the leader tells them to do. 134 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:58,000 And Sean is taking it to the next level. And he's taken to a level that is very dangero... 135 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:05,000 We have, you know, serious armaments and we have young kids that are being trained. 136 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:13,000 And on top of that, you had the religious zealot component to it. It becomes a very... 137 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:20,000 I'm not just some kind of fringe crazy pastor with an AR-15 rod of iron on my desk. 138 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:28,000 Wearing a 223, 300-win Chester, you know, bullet crown. 139 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:34,000 He talks about as if there are mafias and psychopaths out there that they have to fi... 140 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:41,000 To defend yourself from the most dangerous cabal and mafia cartel in the world, which... 141 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:49,000 And the patriots have to stick together or die separately. You hang together or you d... 142 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:59,000 One of the things that is different between the Sanctuary Church and the Unification... 143 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:07,000 It is no accident that Sean's supportive brother, Justin, owns a major arms... 144 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:12,000 Call Arms, about 20 miles away from the Sanctuary Church in Pennsylvania. 145 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:20,000 So, but because you're manufacturing guns, doesn't mean you're then going to order ev... 146 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:27,000 Sean has said in his talks to his members that people have to be able to defend thei... 147 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:37,000 And these assault weapons and the pistols that people were holding are visible signs... 148 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:40,000 So it is our right and duty to fight for it. 149 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:49,000 And it's our right and duty to defend it as fervently as any Muslim fanatic who defend... 150 00:15:49,000 --> 00:16:12,000 I have chosen to remain anonymous because if my identity was revealed, there would be... 151 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:24,000 They were members of the Unification Church, and once the splinter did happen, they wer... 152 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:35,000 I didn't think that my parents would follow a leader so far as to him pulling out rifles... 153 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:41,000 If I could bring this here. These are just some pictures they posted online. 154 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:45,000 It's almost like a walking dead post-apocalyptic type of a show. 155 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:46,000 Yeah. 156 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:48,000 They're just kind of in their, they're in survival mode. 157 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:54,000 I know that Sean Moon told my parents that there was going to be some kind of economi... 158 00:16:54,000 --> 00:17:01,000 And that you should hoard food and lock your doors because you're going to need to prot... 159 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:09,000 Yeah, that's his wife. 160 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,000 That one's crazy. 161 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:12,000 Oh, God. 162 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:15,000 They're just striking a pose apparently. That's kind of what I thought. 163 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:17,000 This next one, if you blow it up. 164 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:20,000 There he is. That's a knife. 165 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,000 Yeah, and a handgun. 166 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,000 He looks like he's 12 or something. 167 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:26,000 He's just like nonchalantly holding a gun. 168 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:27,000 Yeah, he's just training these kids. 169 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:30,000 The king and queen on their throne. 170 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:35,000 Yeah, like how is this different than like, you know, terrorist organizations, right? 171 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:41,000 It's like for holy reasons we have to defend with guns our ideals when no one's attacki... 172 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:42,000 Yeah. 173 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:44,000 It's really delusional. 174 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:48,000 I practice martial arts. I think everybody has a right to do that. 175 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:53,000 If they do it responsibly, guns the same way. If they practice responsibly. 176 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:58,000 But I also know that when you involve young people, when you involve religious fervor, 177 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:03,000 and when you involve potential conflicts with other concerned citizens, 178 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:06,000 that makes me very nervous. 179 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:09,000 The Moons were always into guns. 180 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:13,000 Charlie's older brother, Steve Moon, he loved guns, 181 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:17,000 and he would often come and just go hunting in the woods around our house. 182 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:19,000 So I think my brother saw that. 183 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:23,000 You know, one day my brother decided to buy the .22 caliber rifle, 184 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,000 and you know, he would play with it. 185 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:30,000 He would like shoot through like a stack of newspapers or, you know, little birds and... 186 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:34,000 He was, you know, I think he was just imitating what he saw with Steve Moon. 187 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:41,000 So one night, I remember I was just doing my homework at my desk, 188 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:47,000 and my brother came into my room, and he was like, 189 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:52,000 I gotta tell you something, Mom was shot. 190 00:18:56,000 --> 00:19:01,000 My mom was printing some trees in the woods, 191 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:06,000 and my brother, I guess he thought it was maybe like a deer or something, 192 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:11,000 and he just took two shots in the dark. 193 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:16,000 I didn't believe it, and then I saw my younger brother behind him. 194 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:20,000 And he was like, he had tears in his eyes, 195 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:23,000 and I was like, oh my God. 196 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:29,000 She had like two bullets like through her stomach, that reached her spine, 197 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:32,000 so you know, she's paralyzed from the waist down. 198 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:38,000 Just one shot changed everything, 199 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:43,000 because the local church boys thought guns were cool. 200 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:46,000 You know, and then the police came the next day, 201 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,000 and they confiscated all of our guns, BB guns. 202 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,000 I was like, good, take that away. 203 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:55,000 Like, we don't need any of this. 204 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:02,000 So that's, yeah, that's why I feel very passionate about, 205 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:05,000 you know, just speaking to this situation. 206 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:07,000 It's like, do you want this to happen again? 207 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:12,000 Because something like that's gonna happen again with the sanctuary church. 208 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:16,000 You've actually said that this is the group that scares you. 209 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,000 Oh, yes. Why? 210 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:23,000 Because of its attachment to militia movements. 211 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:27,000 And so if you want to see why someone like me is very worried, 212 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:31,000 watch the YouTube presentations about the peace militia. 213 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:36,000 And so these weapons that slash the throat 214 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:40,000 and cut the ligaments of the legs, the training that's going on, 215 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:42,000 that's in addition to the weapons. 216 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,000 Yeah. 217 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:49,000 To even fantasize about having to use those kind of weapons against received opponents 218 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:52,000 is troubling, because you know, 219 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:55,000 you're not going to be able to do that in the church. 220 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:58,000 You're not going to be able to do that in the church. 221 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:02,000 The way that they're treating their received opponents is troubling. 222 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,000 Yeah. 223 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,000 If things go bad politically or socially, 224 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,000 or if the group perceives that they're going bad. 225 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,000 Right. 226 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:22,000 They're getting a doctorate in the homosexual political agenda. 227 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:25,000 They're getting a doctorate in the transgender agenda, 228 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,000 saying that their emotions, 229 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,000 they don't know how they feel, their gender, 230 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:33,000 we're just totally against the Bible, totally against biology. 231 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:37,000 And here you've got a group of people, outsiders, 232 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:41,000 who are identified as working for Satan, 233 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:46,000 undermining God's work on this earth, LBGT community. 234 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:49,000 All these people are getting enabled and... 235 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:50,000 Pejoratively. 236 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,000 Oh, yes, and dangerously so. 237 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:56,000 You're afraid that the hate speech will cross over to hate action. 238 00:21:56,000 --> 00:22:00,000 Whenever a group demonizes an other, 239 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:04,000 diminishes the humanity of perceived opponents, 240 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:08,000 then it's much, much easier to take retaliation against those opponents. 241 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,000 It only takes one lone wolf to be like, 242 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,000 well, I know who our enemy is, 243 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,000 so I'm going to connect the dots and go after them. 244 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:19,000 We are celebrating God's biblical accoutrements 245 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:22,000 and his biblical gift of marriage, 246 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:26,000 which makes us into a king and queen of the kingdom of God, 247 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:30,000 a co-heir with Christ and his family of royal lineage and blood. 248 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:34,000 So this blessing ceremony by the Sanctuary Church 249 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:37,000 is a celebration of the Lord's love for the people, 250 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:41,000 and it's a celebration of the Lord's love for the people. 251 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,000 So this blessing ceremony by the Sanctuary Church, 252 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,000 it's just like the Unification Church, 253 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,000 where the blessing was like the cleansing out of original sin 254 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,000 for anyone who joined the church, 255 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,000 original sin being, you know, the fall of man 256 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:57,000 and coming from when Adam and Eve sinned. 257 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:00,000 It's like a way of lifting your spiritual status. 258 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,000 In this one, they're required to bring a gun. 259 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:06,000 That is like a new tier of spirituality. 260 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,000 If you bring your rod of iron 261 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:11,000 and if you show that you're this, like, soldier of faith, 262 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,000 then you're more sacred than someone without. 263 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,000 When I heard about this ceremony with guns 264 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,000 that's coming out, this blessing, 265 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:26,000 I started calling local organizations like schools, churches, 266 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,000 just letting the local community know, and also the news. 267 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:32,000 But the media, they didn't really respond, 268 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:35,000 and this was before the Florida shooting. 269 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,000 911, what is your emergency? 270 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:50,000 Another mass shooting at yet another American school. 271 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:54,000 In the midst of that, I realized, OK, you need to act now. 272 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,000 Like, don't email news stations. Call them. 273 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,000 Well, a controversial event is putting a Pennsylvania church 274 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,000 in the national spotlight. 275 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,000 It's a blessing ceremony involving assault rifles. 276 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:14,000 The sanctuary church is preparing for up to 600 worshipers 277 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,000 Wednesday here in the Newfoundland area. 278 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,000 Officials at Wall and Paul Pock South Elementary 279 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,000 moved classes to a different school 280 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:24,000 after learning a nearby church was planning to host a gun blessing event. 281 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:28,000 They need to know that this isn't a Christian organization. 282 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,000 It's a paranoid group with guns. 283 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:41,000 A local religious group plans to hold a blessing ceremony involving AR-15s. 284 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:44,000 One of those will be right down the road from the elementary. 285 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,000 The sanctuary church is preparing for up to 600 worshipers Wednesday here in the... 286 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,000 They'll also hold a mass marriage ceremony where attendees are asked to... 287 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,000 ...that in this time of our mourning across the country... 288 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,000 The church says they planned the event before the Parkland shooting 289 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,000 and wanted to go ahead with it. 290 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,000 Well, that kind of an incident makes it all the more important 291 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,000 that we do this kind of thing. 292 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,000 But the church assures their event will be safe. 293 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,000 The guns will be unloaded, no ammunition. 294 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:11,000 Realizing what is in our backyards now, this is a dangerous cult. 295 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:25,000 There it is. 296 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:31,000 The sanctuary church, which is where the blessing is taking place, with the rifles. 297 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,000 I just want to, really, I just want to talk to people. 298 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:38,000 And hopefully, I get through to them. 299 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,000 We're here in the backwoods of Pennsylvania. 300 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:52,000 A small church with a small congregation. 301 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:57,000 And we were going to have a small ceremony with a few AR-15s. 302 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,000 We never expected that it would attract this much attention... 303 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,000 ...around the country and around the world as well. 304 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,000 That's my one. 305 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,000 Wow, this is kind of overwhelming. 306 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,000 All right, first of all... 307 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,000 Basically, you only take the gun out when they say, you know... 308 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,000 ...present your rod of iron or whatever. 309 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,000 Before that, you gotta keep it in its case and don't take it out... 310 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,000 ...or anything funny with it. 311 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,000 When they say, present your rod of iron, you take the gun out... 312 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,000 ...and keep the barrel pointed straight upward. 313 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,000 It should not be pointing at anyone for any reason. 314 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,000 Just straight up. 315 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,000 And a finger off the trigger. 316 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,000 Oh, for goodness sake. 317 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,000 Let me get your first thing last time. 318 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,000 They've distorted the... 319 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,000 We're not on the road. 320 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,000 It is obscene. 321 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:46,000 It is sacrilegious that they would flaunt this... 322 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:51,000 ...in the face of all of those children that were killed. 323 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,000 Today's ceremony is a marriage blessing. 324 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,000 Where couples have been asked to attend with crowns... 325 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:02,000 ...and AR-15 rifles as religious accoutrements. 326 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,000 It is not a blessing of inanimate firearms. 327 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,000 We do not worship the rod of iron. 328 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,000 It is not a god. 329 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,000 It is an inanimate object, which can be used for the purpose of goodness... 330 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,000 ...if it is in the hands of a good person... 331 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:18,000 ...or for the purpose of evil, if it is in the hands of an evil person. 332 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:23,000 So I don't understand how we can be accused of glorifying guns. 333 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,000 A few moments from now, the royal procession will enter. 334 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:31,000 It will be led by the robes and crown of two parents, Sun Myung-moon... 335 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,000 ...carried by his representative of body and air... 336 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,000 ...second king of Cheonhyang-gu, Reverend Hyeong-jin Moon. 337 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:42,000 Those who have brought your guns, I ask you at this time to remove them from your case... 338 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,000 ...being careful to keep the muzzle pointing up... 339 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:49,000 ...and not putting your finger on the trigger. 340 00:27:53,000 --> 00:28:20,880 The 341 00:28:53,000 --> 00:29:12,000 This rod of iron is spoken of in the Bible as the means by which Christ returning... 342 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,000 ...will rule by his kingdom. 343 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,000 The meaning of this ceremony is that we are to cleanse all our past sins... 344 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,000 ...so that we can make a new beginning. 345 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:53,000 Do we agree that everything that's happening in the United States is the way we would l... 346 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,000 So if we stand up and speak out against things we don't agree with... 347 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,000 ...there's bound to be somebody that doesn't agree with us. 348 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,000 And that's controversy. 349 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:06,000 Well, what do you think about this? 350 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:10,000 Like, Dave Fresh and Charles Manson both used the book of Revelation... 351 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:14,000 ...because it's a very extreme part of the Bible to justify their violent behaviors. 352 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,000 This actually might open up something very beautiful where people will get to really... 353 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,000 ...where we're coming from and hopefully actually appreciate self-defense and... 354 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,000 ...and protection of individuals and families. 355 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,000 Like, what I see is like kids who are being trained to use guns and weapons and killin... 356 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,000 ...and I see, just like my brother, they're going to wait for that day when they can... 357 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,000 ...because they're kids and they're excited about it. 358 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,000 And I see that they're going to wait for that day when they can actually use it... 359 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,000 ...because they're kids and they're excited about it. 360 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,000 And I see that they're going to wait for that day when they can actually use it... 361 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,000 ...because they're kids and they're excited about this power in their hands. 362 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,000 Do you think about that at all? 363 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,000 That's to each to their own, but the culture that's been developed... 364 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,000 But it's a child who's not an adult yet... 365 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,000 ...who is learning from their parents that we have to use this for God. 366 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,000 But it's a child who's not an adult yet... 367 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,000 ...who is learning from their parents that we have to use this for God. 368 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,000 Doesn't that sound like a terrorist? 369 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,000 I'm not sure. 370 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,000 I'm not sure. 371 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,000 I'm not sure. 372 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,000 I'm not sure. 373 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,000 I'm not sure. 374 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,000 I'm not sure. 375 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,000 I'm not sure. 376 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,000 I'm not sure. 377 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,000 I'm not sure. 378 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,000 I'm not sure. 379 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,000 I'm not sure. 380 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,000 I'm not sure. 381 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,000 I'm not sure. 382 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,000 I'm not sure. 383 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,000 I'm not sure. 384 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,000 I'm not sure. 385 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,000 I'm not sure. 386 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,000 I'm not sure. 387 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,000 They're training until they're 11 or 12 years old... 388 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,000 ...so we don't even start training them in jiu-jitsu until they're pre-teen. 389 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,000 So we're not training children at all. 390 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,000 My name is Teddy. 391 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,000 T-E-D-D-Y-H-O-S-E. 392 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,000 Like hose, like water hose. 393 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,000 I actually was born and raised in a unification church. 394 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,000 I grew up with John Moon. I'm familiar with this extreme behavior. 395 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,000 This whole ordeal with the guns and everything, and I consider it dangerous. 396 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,000 It's just really going on the wrong path. 397 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,000 I'm here in protest. I don't think any church should really take it that far, 398 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,000 especially when there's no immediate threat to them. 399 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,000 How do you feel about that there was a school that had to relocate... 400 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,000 ...because they were terrified that you had guns? 401 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,000 No. 402 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,000 If mass media think we come here to attack schools, this is sorry for such a mass media. 403 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,000 But you have guns. 404 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,000 I mean, that just provokes fear. 405 00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,000 Better to have a son, like Goliath and David. 406 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,000 Against who? Who are you attacking? 407 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,000 You're provoking a war. 408 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,000 Peace. Let's make it a peace. 409 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,000 You find me on Facebook. 410 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,000 I believe these are all really good people, 411 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,000 but them being overpowered by this Moon family is just... 412 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,000 ...distorting that so much. 413 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,000 Well, I'm going to be sitting down with Sean Moon in a few days. 414 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,000 What do you want me to ask him? 415 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,000 I mean, I would have some things I want to say to him. 416 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,000 What would you say to him? 417 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,000 I would say, if you want to be a hero for your people, 418 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,000 just walk away. Stop living in your father's shadow. 419 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,000 Really, I think they only worship you because your last name is Moon. 420 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,000 I would have so much respect for him if he just walked away 421 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,000 and left you. 422 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,000 I would have so much respect for him if he just walked away 423 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,000 and lived his life like a normal person. 424 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,000 What are the chances that's going to happen? 425 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,000 I would think it would just take a really hard psychological shock. 426 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,000 Like, let's say some of his members start killing people 427 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,000 with guns or something. 428 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,000 We are sovereign kings and queens. 429 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,000 That our Father is the King of Kings. 430 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,000 And that no government or no man can stand over, 431 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,000 take our crown and disarm us. 432 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,000 We today on this beautiful Sunday 433 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:38,000 are in Wayne County, Pennsylvania, 434 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:42,000 and there's more than one gun for every single citizen in this county. 435 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,000 Maybe not surprisingly, this is where Pastor Sean Moon 436 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,000 has decided to base his church. 437 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,000 A lot of times, people like this 438 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,000 can say really inflammatory things. 439 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,000 That doesn't mean they'll actually do something inflammatory. 440 00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,000 The problem is, is that people underestimate 441 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,000 the power of those words. 442 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,000 But I'm actually just really curious to meet him 443 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,000 and to have what I hope will be a real discussion 444 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,000 about why he believes what he believes. 445 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,000 Yeah? 446 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,000 Okay, sure, yeah. 447 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,000 You want to jump in there? Okay. 448 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,000 I'm going to go ahead and get you a drink. 449 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,000 Okay. 450 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,000 I'm going to go ahead and get you a drink. 451 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,000 Okay. 452 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,000 Your dad said he had a more elevated, 453 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,000 more, you know, important position 454 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,000 as, quote, savior of humanity. 455 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,000 Right, Lord of Second Advent or returning Christ, yeah. 456 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,000 Right, that he was the returning Christ. 457 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,000 So that makes your father God. 458 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,000 It makes him returning Jesus. 459 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,000 Returning Jesus. Yeah. What does that make you? 460 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,000 His son, I mean, it makes me his heir and successor. 461 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,000 It doesn't make me the messiah or it doesn't make me, 462 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,000 you know, the savior. 463 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,000 How many followers do you have, do you know, exactly? 464 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,000 We don't keep, like, a registry, and we don't, you know... 465 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,000 Do you fill up all the seats in here? 466 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,000 It depends on the different events, you know. 467 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,000 On a normal Sunday services, 468 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,000 then you will have maybe 100 to 200 people. 469 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,000 And those 200 people call you king... 470 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,000 Second king, second king. 471 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,000 Second king, Sean? 472 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,000 Yeah, or just second king. 473 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,000 Or just, you know, Pastor Sean, sometimes, too. 474 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,000 Let's talk about your sermons 475 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,000 and the blessing ceremony recently, 476 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,000 to which you had asked all your members 477 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,000 of your congregation to come 478 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,000 and to bring with them an assault weapon. 479 00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,000 Why? 480 00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,000 Well, you know, we see it 481 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,000 in the biblical context. There's the rod of iron. 482 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,000 So in the Bible, we see Jesus also defines his own kingdom 483 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,000 and how it will look like when he returns. 484 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,000 We can see in Revelation, you know, 3 and 11, 485 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,000 where he says, 486 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,000 you know, speaking to the believers. 487 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:19,000 So you're saying that the kingdom of Christ, 488 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,000 when Christ returns to the earth, 489 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,000 every single believer 490 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,000 will be armed with an assault rifle 491 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,000 and wearing a crown of bullets? 492 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,000 Well, every... Yeah, it's a decentralized 493 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,000 dominion of the use of force. 494 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,000 What does that mean, decentralized dominion 495 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,000 of the use of force? 496 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,000 Normally, in different governance structures, 497 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,000 the population is disarmed. 498 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:48,000 And that, of course, is a very dangerous thing, 499 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:53,000 because if the ruling class decide to rule in certain ways, 500 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,000 exploitative ways, immoral ways, 501 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:59,000 like stealing through taxation people's hard-earned money, 502 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,000 that's supposed to do what the Founding Fathers do 503 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,000 and fight off the British. 504 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,000 But the Founding Fathers would never have that ability 505 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,000 unless they had the modern-day assault rifle 506 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,000 or the musket at that time. 507 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,000 I think in this country, though, in this day and age, 508 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,000 we vote people out of office if we don't agree with them. 509 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,000 We don't go pick up our assault rifles. 510 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:21,000 No, no, as a last resort. 511 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,000 A last resort, too. I guess I'm trying to... 512 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:27,000 What is the resort when you and your followers 513 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,000 will pick up your assault rifles and use them? 514 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,000 Oh, no, I think... Yeah, I think it's the resort. 515 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,000 Yeah, I think it's a general... 516 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:41,000 It's a larger picture of the world where people have access, 517 00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,000 just like kings and queens and monarchs and elites 518 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:49,000 have access to means of protection for themselves. 519 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,000 So you're not saying use the rifles? 520 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:52,000 Sure. 521 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:53,000 You're just saying have the rifles? 522 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:58,000 Well, I mean, have them as a last-ditch insurance, 523 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,000 just like the Founding Fathers encountered 524 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,000 when a government's goals arrived. 525 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,000 Here's what the concern may be. 526 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,000 What happens when one of these people, 527 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:11,000 who maybe isn't mentally balanced, 528 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,000 does something tragic? 529 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:18,000 Because you've taught them and armed them and maybe said, 530 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,000 they're the enemy, we don't like them for this, 531 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,000 and they go out and do something you can't take back 532 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:25,000 or make better in any way. 533 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,000 Even if you teach somebody how to drive a car, 534 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:31,000 there's no guarantee that person won't do like the Islamists did 535 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:34,000 in Nice, France, where they ran over 88 people. 536 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,000 But you can't await teaching someone to drive a car 537 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,000 with teaching someone to fire an assault. 538 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:40,000 Well, that is a weapon. 539 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,000 Different types of martial arts, different types of arts of defense. 540 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,000 You certainly make no efforts, given your online presence, 541 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:51,000 to hide any of your messages or your philosophies. 542 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,000 So how do you respond to people who say, 543 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,000 the Sanctuary Church is a cult and a dangerous cult 544 00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:02,000 with its arming people, with its peace police, peace militia? 545 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:06,000 We can see certain religious groups or different groups 546 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,000 and label this and that, 547 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:11,000 but the same can be done on the other side. 548 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,000 For us, for example... 549 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,000 But you clearly don't think you're... 550 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:16,000 No, no, of course not. 551 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,000 ...a cult or you don't think you're dangerous? 552 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,000 No, of course not. We're law-abiding citizens. 553 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:25,000 We are encouraging people to exercise their God-given rights 554 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,000 and that we see as natural rights given to them by God. 555 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,000 To own an assault weapon. 556 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,000 Oh, protected by the Constitution as well. 557 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,000 Of the United States, God bless the USA. 558 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:38,000 Scholars certainly don't see us as some kind of cult. 559 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,000 Welcome, everybody. 560 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:56,000 Washington Post Magazine cover has come out. 561 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,000 This is nuts, folks. This is crazy. 562 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,000 Locked and loaded by the Lord. There you go. 563 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,000 Ridiculous. 564 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,000 But that is Washington Post. 565 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:15,000 A&E. A&E is coming out with their program starting this Monday, 566 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:16,000 so that's tomorrow, 567 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:19,000 and it's called Cults and Extreme Beliefs. 568 00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,000 Oh, yes. 569 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:26,000 And we know, of course, they will try to do a slam job. 570 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:29,000 They will try to do a very evil job on us. 571 00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,000 I think the media exposure is awesome. 572 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,000 You know, this freaking kid that I knew 573 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,000 who came from this billionaire family, 574 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:41,000 who's trying to come off as this, you know, revolutionary, 575 00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,000 who's changing everything for the better 576 00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,000 with his guns and bullet crowns. 577 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,000 I am cautious about using the term cult 578 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,000 because it is so one-sided. 579 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,000 It is so charged. It is so subjective. 580 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,000 But I think in a situation like this, 581 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,000 that's this crazy, you know. 582 00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,000 It's just time to call a spade a spade. 583 00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,000 This is what they don't say in the Internet age. 584 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,000 All publicity is good publicity. 585 00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,000 So, actually, the more they try to slam us, 586 00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,000 the more publicity it gives us, 587 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,000 and people can actually just click on a YouTube channel. 588 00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,000 They can just watch for themselves what we see. 589 00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,000 And we're not actually that crazy. 590 00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,000 We're not crazy at all. 591 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:19,000 You can't look at an organization that says, 592 00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,000 the world is satanic, come to us, 593 00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,000 and we'll cleanse your blood that is sinful 594 00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,000 and not call it a cult. 595 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,000 They're always going to push and push and push, 596 00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,000 and you have to push back. 597 00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,000 So, this was a big pushback, 598 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,000 and we have to keep pushing, you know. 599 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,000 We are the tip of the spear 600 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:40,000 of the battle for God's kingdom. 601 00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:44,000 Evil only respects one power, 602 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,000 and that is force.