1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,000 The next episode of... 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:04,000 ...is brought to you by... 3 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:06,000 ...the American Association for the Deaf. 4 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,000 The American Association for the Deaf. 5 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:10,000 The American Association for the Deaf. 6 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:12,000 The American Association for the Deaf. 7 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:14,000 The American Association for the Deaf. 8 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:16,000 The American Association for the Deaf. 9 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:18,000 The American Association for the Deaf. 10 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:20,000 The American Association for the Deaf. 11 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:22,000 The American Association for the Deaf. 12 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:24,000 The American Association for the Deaf. 13 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:26,000 The American Association for the Deaf. 14 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:28,000 The American Association for the Deaf. 15 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:30,000 There's me and my brand. 16 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:32,000 Front page of New York Times. 17 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:34,000 Keith Raniere, the founder of Nexium, 18 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:36,000 is accused of coercing women into being sex slaves. 19 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:38,000 He's now facing federal charges, 20 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:40,000 including sex trafficking. 21 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:42,000 We were all pawns for him in his sick, perverted fantasy, 22 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,000 especially women. 23 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:46,000 What would you say to Keith if you had the chance 24 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:48,000 to say anything to him now? 25 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:50,000 I would say that he messed with the wrong person. 26 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:52,000 I would say that he messed with the wrong person. 27 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:54,000 I would say that he messed with the wrong person. 28 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:56,000 I would say that he messed with the wrong person. 29 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:58,000 I would say that he messed with the wrong person. 30 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:00,000 Let's go sit over there. 31 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:02,000 Here. 32 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,000 The table's spot. 33 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:06,000 The table's spot. 34 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:08,000 The table's spot. 35 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:10,000 The table's spot. 36 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:12,000 The table's spot. 37 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:14,000 The table's spot. 38 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:16,000 The table's spot. 39 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:18,000 The table's spot. 40 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,000 The table's spot. 41 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:22,000 The table's spot. 42 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:24,000 The table's spot. 43 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:26,000 The table's spot. 44 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,000 The table's spot. 45 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,000 It's a great place. 46 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:32,000 Water? Yes, please. 47 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,000 So I was looking through the Facebook page. 48 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:36,000 So I was looking through the Facebook page. 49 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:38,000 Check this out. 50 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,000 So this was 2013. 51 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,000 Michelle in. Still in. 52 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:44,000 Left, left, in, in. 53 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:46,000 I was in Nexium for 12 years, 54 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:48,000 and I left six months ago. 55 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,000 Until recently, my primary social group was Nexium. 56 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:52,000 My husband started Nexium a few years before I did. 57 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,000 My husband started Nexium a few years before I did. 58 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,000 And when he and I met, we were friends for a few years before we started dating. 59 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:58,000 And this was the happiest people, 60 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:00,000 And this was the happiest people, 61 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,000 because for a moment, 62 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,000 they forgot they were in a cult. 63 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,000 they forgot they were in a cult. 64 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:12,000 I was born and raised, 65 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:14,000 and spent my entire childhood and most of my teenage life in Vancouver. 66 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:16,000 and spent my entire childhood and most of my teenage life in Vancouver. 67 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:18,000 My parents were former hippies. 68 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:20,000 My parents were former hippies. 69 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,000 My mom became a therapist. 70 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,000 My mom became a therapist. 71 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:26,000 My mom became a therapist. 72 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,000 My mom became a therapist. 73 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:30,000 My mom became a therapist. 74 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,000 My mom became a therapist. 75 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:34,000 My mom became a therapist. 76 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:36,000 My mom became a therapist. 77 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:38,000 My mom became a therapist. 78 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:40,000 My mom became a therapist. 79 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,000 My mom became a therapist. 80 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,000 My mom became a therapist. 81 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,000 My mom became a therapist. 82 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:48,000 My mom became a therapist. 83 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:50,000 My mom became a therapist. 84 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:52,000 So Sarah and I met on a cruise ship. 85 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:54,000 So Sarah and I met on a cruise ship. 86 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,000 I think it was 2004, 2005, 87 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,000 I was a judge at a film festival at sea. 88 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:00,000 I think it was 2004, 2005, 89 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,000 I was a judge at a film festival at sea. 90 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,000 We just chatted all night, 91 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,000 and by the end of the week, 92 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,000 he had told us about the smartest man in the world 93 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,000 that lived in upstate New York, 94 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,000 and this group of people that were really changing things. 95 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:14,000 I don't even remember the specifics of it, 96 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:16,000 I just knew that I wanted to be a part of it. 97 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,000 And I wanted to work with Mark. 98 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,000 And it just so happened that there was a five-day workshop 99 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,000 in Vancouver a few weeks after that. 100 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:24,000 I put my deposit down to take the course, 101 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:26,000 and I paid over $2,000. 102 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:28,000 Nextium says that it's a self-help group. 103 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,000 Nextium says that it's a self-help group. 104 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,000 It's a set of tools or an educational system 105 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:34,000 to help people evolve their limiting beliefs 106 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:36,000 to help people evolve their limiting beliefs 107 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:38,000 and to understand themselves better 108 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,000 and take everything to the next level. 109 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:42,000 The goal is to help people 110 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:44,000 relieve themselves of the patterns 111 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,000 and the issues they've had their whole life 112 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:48,000 to be a more optimal version of themselves. 113 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,000 to be a more optimal version of themselves. 114 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:52,000 It's a workshop that when you do this right, 115 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,000 an issue you've had for your entire life will be gone. 116 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,000 an issue you've had for your entire life will be gone. 117 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,000 The first class is a class called 118 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,000 Rules and Rituals. 119 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,000 We call it that because these are the rituals 120 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,000 that we use in our program, for example. 121 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,000 We take our shoes off at the door. 122 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,000 We call Keith Renneri Vanguard 123 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,000 because Vanguard means it's the leader 124 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,000 of a philosophical movement. 125 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:14,000 There's a ranking system similar to martial arts 126 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,000 that's been preempted with. 127 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,000 There's going to be things that happen 128 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:20,000 in this module that will make you uncomfortable. 129 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,000 in this module that will make you uncomfortable. 130 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:24,000 And you will feel the urge to bolt. 131 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:26,000 And that's totally normal. 132 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:28,000 And when you feel that, just speak to any of the coaches, 133 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:30,000 put your hand up, we'll be happy to help you. 134 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:32,000 It means that you're doing it right. 135 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:34,000 It means that you're doing it right. 136 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,000 How long did it take you to suspend your skepticism 137 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:38,000 How long did it take you to suspend your skepticism 138 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,000 and say, okay, you know? 139 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,000 Day three, day three of the five, 140 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,000 day I was very closed and very, very skeptical. 141 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,000 day I was very closed and very, very skeptical. 142 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,000 And then by the third day I had enough shifts 143 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,000 And then by the third day I had enough shifts 144 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,000 basically from doing therapy for 14 hours a day 145 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:54,000 for three days. And I felt very different. 146 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:56,000 And I was like, okay, this is great. 147 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,000 I'm in. 148 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:00,000 The night of the third day I had a huge shift. 149 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,000 And I thought it was amazing. 150 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:04,000 And I thought it was amazing. 151 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:06,000 And every time I took a training, I felt better. 152 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,000 And I felt more options in my life. 153 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:10,000 And I started to break through limitations 154 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:12,000 of my career. My close friends saw me 155 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,000 and they would see a difference in me. 156 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,000 And they're like, whatever you're doing, what is that? I want to do that. 157 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,000 And I remember feeling like I'd been given 158 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,000 a book of secrets. 159 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,000 And then in 2009, 160 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:24,000 Mark Vicente and I became business partners. 161 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,000 And we actually opened 162 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,000 a physical center here in Vancouver. 163 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,000 We were incredibly successful. 164 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:32,000 Bustling, great energy. 165 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,000 At the highest, we had over 166 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,000 240, I believe, 167 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,000 full-time students. 168 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:40,000 They'd come in, they'd see my presentation. 169 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:42,000 They're like, I don't even know what this is, but I love the people here 170 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,000 and I want to be a part of this. And it was amazing. 171 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,000 I brought so many people 172 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,000 into Nexium. 173 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,000 And at the time, I thought I was 174 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,000 inviting them to something that was really helpful. 175 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,000 Keith did this big 176 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,000 enrollment push and was like, 177 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,000 we need to create an enrollment culture. 178 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,000 Recruiting, recruiting, recruiting. 179 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:10,000 I had a huge network. I was a natural 180 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:12,000 promoter. And I was 181 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,000 signing people up and sharing my success. 182 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,000 And I felt really on fire. 183 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,000 Check this out. So I took 184 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,000 a lot of photographs of Keith Renieri. 185 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:34,000 I was always 186 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,000 trying to make him look better. 187 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,000 You know, I was always trying to make him look like 188 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,000 more normal. Yeah. 189 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,000 This is part of his mannerisms. Yeah. 190 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,000 What does this mean? It means 191 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:46,000 come close to me, feel comfortable with me. 192 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,000 Yeah. I'm harmless. I'm harmless. 193 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,000 You can trust me. I'm not a sociopath. 194 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:52,000 I won't molest you. 195 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,000 And when you run a 196 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,000 personal development program, 197 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:04,000 our main emphasis, our main belief 198 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:06,000 is to have people experience 199 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,000 more joy in their lives. 200 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,000 And from that, all 201 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,000 sorts of interesting effects 202 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,000 appear to happen. 203 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,000 Keith is the leader of Nexium. 204 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:18,000 He's the philosophical founder. 205 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:20,000 We were told 206 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:22,000 that Keith is a genius 207 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,000 with an IQ of 240. He was speaking 208 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:26,000 in full sentences at the age of one. 209 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,000 That he was a concert pianist. 210 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,000 He was the East Coast Judo champion 211 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:32,000 at 11. He earned degrees in 212 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,000 mathematics, biology, and physics. 213 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:36,000 Keith is a 214 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,000 businessman who created Nexium in 215 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,000 1998. Under Keith's 216 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,000 leadership, Nexium has brought in 217 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,000 millions for personal and professional 218 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,000 development programs. 219 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,000 We're a success program. 220 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,000 Richard Branson took our course. 221 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:52,000 The Dalai Lama is endorsing us. 222 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,000 Allison Mack, who's an actress, 223 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,000 is part of Nexium. 224 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:58,000 Nexium has an image of 225 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:00,000 very happy, good-looking, 226 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,000 successful people, and especially 227 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:04,000 women. This is very important 228 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:06,000 to create that image, because 229 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,000 it's a very powerful tool for 230 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,000 recruiting. When I first 231 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:12,000 met Vanguard, 232 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:14,000 I was 233 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,000 just turned 28, and I was definitely 234 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:18,000 looking forward to meeting him. 235 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:20,000 He was the founder of Nexium, solving 236 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,000 the world's biggest problems. 237 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,000 He was this 238 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:26,000 selfless humanitarian. 239 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,000 When you're someone like me that values 240 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,000 intelligence, and you're told this is the smartest 241 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,000 man in the world, highest IQ 242 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:34,000 ever scored, you got me. 243 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:36,000 Because of everything I was told, 244 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:38,000 and the things he would say, 245 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,000 I elevated him in my 246 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:42,000 mind to somebody who really understood 247 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:44,000 the human condition. 248 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,000 I was the person 249 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,000 responsible for creating those 250 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:50,000 videos that are online. When I looked back 251 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,000 at them recently, I was thinking, what is he saying? 252 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,000 He's not saying anything. 253 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,000 We have sterling credentials, 254 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,000 that we have no credentials 255 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,000 in the field. See, 256 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,000 credentials seem to be self-limiting 257 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,000 in the field. 258 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,000 He did some things with me that 259 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:08,000 were really interesting. 260 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:10,000 I'll give you an example. 261 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:12,000 I 262 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,000 was sent a video from one of my 263 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:16,000 Mexican contacts, who was a civil rights 264 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,000 guy, of four women being decapitated 265 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:20,000 by the cartel. So I told 266 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:22,000 Keith Rene about the video, and he said, well, can I see it? 267 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:24,000 I said, I don't want to show anybody. It's the worst thing I've ever seen. 268 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:26,000 He said, no, I can handle it. 269 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,000 So I give him the video. A couple of days 270 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,000 later, he calls me, and he says, I've watched 271 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:32,000 it, and I'd like to talk to you about it a bit. 272 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:34,000 And he starts talking to me about all the different 273 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,000 perspectives of the players 274 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,000 in this video of decapitation. 275 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:40,000 The old woman, the younger girl, 276 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,000 the kid who can't cut the head off properly, 277 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:44,000 the other one who's giving the orders, and he says, what's it like 278 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,000 for that one? What's it like for this one? What's it like for this one? 279 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,000 And it always struck me, 280 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,000 how does he do that? 281 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,000 How does he not have these terrible reactions I do? 282 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,000 How has he so evolved? 283 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,000 What was the charisma? 284 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,000 I've watched all the videos on 285 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:00,000 YouTube, and I've 286 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,000 seen all the films of 287 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,000 him speaking on stage. I don't get it, 288 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,000 Sarah. I just... 289 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:08,000 I think because you're watching it from the perspective 290 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:10,000 of you already think he's, you know, 291 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:12,000 a narcissistic sex ring 292 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,000 leader, and you're going, yeah, I can see it. 293 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,000 When I met him, I didn't have any of that 294 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:18,000 in my head. I had him in this other 295 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:20,000 elevated status. But is there something that's not 296 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:22,000 communicating or translating across through 297 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:24,000 the TV screen? Yes, I do think. So A 298 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,000 is the whole foundation, 299 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:28,000 where every day we're going, thank you, Vanguard, and 300 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,000 this curriculum is so amazing, and it's all because of 301 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:32,000 Keith. So you have a lot of 302 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,000 people saying thank 303 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,000 you and revering him before you even meet him. 304 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,000 By the time you meet him, he's good at getting 305 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:40,000 in rapport and connecting 306 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,000 eye to eye, and you feel... What does he do? Does he get close 307 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,000 to you, stare into your eyes? 308 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,000 Does he touch your arm while he's talking? 309 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:48,000 I kind of like this answer. What? He kisses everyone 310 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:50,000 on the lips. Oh, really? 311 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:52,000 I want to say, like, something 312 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,000 was off, but 313 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:56,000 it was countered by all the 314 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:58,000 good things in NXIVM, and I couldn't quite reconcile 315 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:00,000 it. 316 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,000 In retrospect, Keith doesn't care 317 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,000 about humanity and ethics. 318 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:06,000 We were all pawns for him in his 319 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,000 little chess game. 320 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:10,000 Especially women. 321 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:26,000 Now that I go back and I look at these pictures, like, this picture of everybody... 322 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:30,000 Like, when I was there... You guys weren't there that day, were you? No. 323 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:32,000 When I was there, I was like, this man knows 324 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:38,000 s*** that, like, nobody knows, and, you know, he's gonna, like, take life to the next... 325 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:40,000 And now I'm just like, oh, my God, that's so sad. 326 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:50,000 I started to have suspicions about Keith and his relationship with the women. 327 00:11:50,000 --> 00:12:00,000 And as you are, as, of course, the sum of your whole past, so when someone's being... 328 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:04,000 I don't know why. It makes me want to cry. It's beautiful. 329 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:06,000 I think... Sorry. 330 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:14,000 Where it got really problematic for me is that some of the people that Keith was... 331 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:18,000 And I think that's the biggest thing that I've ever seen. 332 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:22,000 I think that's the biggest thing that I've ever seen. 333 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:30,000 I think that some of the people that Keith was mentoring, like Alison Mack, began jus... 334 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:34,000 Pretty young girls, very consistent. Not the fat ones. 335 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:40,000 I was in Jeunesse. It was an offshoot of Nexium. 336 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:46,000 Jeunesse is a workshop design for women to help us figure out who we are at our core. 337 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:52,000 The Jeunesse track was $15,000 for three eight-day trainings, so five grand each. 338 00:12:54,000 --> 00:13:02,000 Working for Jeunesse is the most satisfying and purposeful thing I've ever done. 339 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:12,000 Watching the women who are involved in Jeunesse completely transform and evolve i... 340 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:19,000 This is where I think Keith is brilliant in his, in my opinion, sociopathic way. 341 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:23,000 That he is telling us we need to look at our indoctrination. 342 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:29,000 How we're raised as women is very different than how men are raised, and that... 343 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:35,000 And he's saying, men see women as weak, and we are flaky. 344 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:39,000 You know, men say they're going to show up somewhere, and they show up somewhere. 345 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:44,000 Women are designed to be monogamous, and men are designed to be polyamorous. 346 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:52,000 Men are designed to spread their seed and to populate the world, and we're designed to ... 347 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:58,000 In the process of understanding our indoctrination, he is slipping in a new... 348 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:03,000 I actually remember the last training I took with Jeunesse. So I was like, wow, I'm not... 349 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:11,000 The cult has to break you down. They have to reframe your identity in some way,... 350 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:14,000 because cults are about conformity and compliance. 351 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:19,000 So they have to start taking you apart and then rebuilding you in their image. 352 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:23,000 So every cult will do that in some way. That's part of the indoctrination process. 353 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:32,000 This is my wedding album, and in this album is a lot of great pictures of, let's see,... 354 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:42,000 There she is. Lauren was my maid of honor and my officiant and godmother to our son. 355 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:49,000 Lauren was my maid of honor and my officiant and godmother to our son. 356 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:08,000 Lauren told me that I'd have to go through an initiation process to be a part of DOS. 357 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:13,000 She said, first thing is you make a vow of obedience, a lifetime commitment to me. 358 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:23,000 It's like a heightened coach, which she kept repeating because the next step was... 359 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:28,000 She's like not like a real slave, like putting grapes in my mouth, but like I thi... 360 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:33,000 You actually said at one point you thought you were a bunch of badass bitches. 361 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:36,000 That's what she, yeah, that's what she pitched to me, a badass bitch boot camp. 362 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:41,000 I will tell you, it's just incredibly embarrassing. 363 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:51,000 You know, I agreed to this because now that I'm not drinking the Kool-Aid, it's so cle... 364 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:57,000 So we've heard stories of other women who were in DOS and what they were asked to do... 365 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:58,000 Right. 366 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:03,000 You had to respond within 60 seconds if she texted you, day or night. 367 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:04,000 Correct. 368 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:06,000 What happens if it was 4 a.m.? 369 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:07,000 You had to respond. 370 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:09,000 And what happened if you didn't? 371 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:18,000 Well, the first time we didn't, and there was a group failure and responding at a certai... 372 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:22,000 And we asked what, and she said that she was going to be paddled. 373 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:23,000 Paddled? 374 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:28,000 Paddled, like with a paddle, like an S&M spanking paddle. 375 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:31,000 And she told us that she was going to be put into a cage. 376 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:32,000 Oh my God. 377 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:37,000 And then our group decided that we were all going to have the same consequence but worse. 378 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:41,000 And she had, I don't know, three paddles or something like that, and we were going to ... 379 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:47,000 Now luckily I didn't have anyone from my little DOS group in Vancouver with me,... 380 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:48,000 Paddled? 381 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:54,000 Yeah. But the other women in California and in Mexico, they paddled each other,... 382 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:55,000 Naked. 383 00:16:55,000 --> 00:17:00,000 Naked, naked paddling, sent that to Lauren, who sent it to her master, who now we know... 384 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:01,000 Keith. 385 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:02,000 Keith. 386 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:13,000 And my major sticking point was Lauren told me that I had to agree to an initiation... 387 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:16,000 I said, I'm not going to do that because I don't want to commit to that. 388 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:21,000 And that's what I told her, and she's like, this is your commitment to your growth, wh... 389 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:24,000 and it's going to remind you, it'll be a physical mark of that commitment. 390 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:25,000 I said, what's it look like? 391 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:26,000 She's like, I can't tell you. 392 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:27,000 And I said, do you have one? 393 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:29,000 She says, yeah, it's right here. 394 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:30,000 I'm like, why can't you show me? 395 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,000 She's like, you can't see it till the night of your initiation. 396 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:34,000 I was like, I don't want a tattoo. 397 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:35,000 And she's like, don't worry. 398 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:41,000 But I'm trusting her, like I did with Mark, like I've done with everyone else in ESP,... 399 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:47,000 I think about a day or two went by before I told her, sure, I'm in. 400 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:48,000 And she said, great. 401 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:55,000 Now we have to collateralize your life to make sure that you're never going to speak... 402 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:57,000 It sounds crazy. 403 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:01,000 And I know to anyone from the outside would be like, well, why would you give collateral? 404 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:08,000 Collateral started years before in Nexium as a concept that people use to help people k... 405 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:11,000 So like, I'm going to go to the gym every day this week. 406 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:14,000 And if I don't, I'm putting this collateral on the table, I know, $100. 407 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:20,000 And if I don't go to the gym, I'm going to give that to my friend, Yanya, you know, l... 408 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:21,000 Very simple. 409 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:22,000 Then it started to get more painful. 410 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:27,000 If I don't go to the gym, I'm going to sleep on the floor for a week or have cold showe... 411 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:28,000 Yeah. 412 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:36,000 So in the moment of choosing to go to the gym or not go to the gym, you go to the gym... 413 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:37,000 The consequence. 414 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:38,000 The consequence. 415 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:43,000 The first thing was to ruin my reputation as an actress, as I had to do a nude photo. 416 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:45,000 So she has one nude photo of me. 417 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,000 I gave her a damaging letter. 418 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:51,000 My letter said, I, Sarah Edmondson, blah, blah, blah, and my 20s, a bunch of... 419 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:54,000 Then I had to do videos. 420 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:59,000 And in four separate videos, I s**t talked all of the most important members of my... 421 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:14,000 So I was in Albany at Allison Mack's house with a group of women and Lauren Zalsman. 422 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:17,000 And we were told to take off our clothes. 423 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:24,000 We were shuffled into a tiny little guest room, and we saw a medical table, like a... 424 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,000 The first woman lay down on the table. 425 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:36,000 I found out I was not getting a tattoo. 426 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:39,000 I was going to be branded. 427 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:55,000 So we're like all naked with this woman having her flesh seared open, and she is... 428 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:58,000 She's like, I remember thinking she was like a stuck pig. 429 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:04,000 We were holding her so she would stay still, or like the line would have been jagged. 430 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:07,000 And she is crying, twisting and turning. 431 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,000 I said to Lauren, I don't want to do this. 432 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,000 You told me I was getting a tattoo. 433 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:14,000 She's like, it's like a tattoo. 434 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:16,000 It's a brand, and it's so beautiful. 435 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,000 This is what it, I don't want that on my body. 436 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:22,000 I could have walked out naked into the street and figured out how to get a cab. 437 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:26,000 It was not an option for me because she had all this on me. 438 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:27,000 She had my nude photo. 439 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:28,000 She had my videos. 440 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,000 She had my written confessional. 441 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:33,000 And then on top of that, she was using my values against me. 442 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,000 You need to do this because you committed to this. 443 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:41,000 And this is what you need to be the strongest version of yourself and to like save your... 444 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,000 And I trusted her in that. 445 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:50,000 The point, they said, of the whole branding is to do something character building, 446 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:58,000 to build your capacity to experience pain, to experience your body as separate from... 447 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,000 And I said to myself, lay down on the table. 448 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:03,000 You said you were going to do it. 449 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:04,000 Suck it up. 450 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:05,000 Don't be a wimp. 451 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:06,000 Get on the table and just do it. 452 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:08,000 I lay on the table. 453 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:10,000 I'm like, I can f***ing do this. 454 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:11,000 I can f***ing do it. 455 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:12,000 And I lay totally still. 456 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:15,000 I think when people think branding, they think there's a stamp. 457 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:20,000 And then there's just going to be a metal thing that goes like this on your flesh, a... 458 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:30,000 I don't think people can imagine what it's like to have your skin seared open by a ho... 459 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:34,000 It was the most excruciating pain I've ever felt in my life. 460 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:39,000 And then, of course, when I opened my eyes, there's Lauren looking down at me going,... 461 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:43,000 And I'm weeping, and she's weeping, and everyone's like, oh my God, this is amazing. 462 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:49,000 And then I go from before saying everything in my body saying, get the f*** out of here. 463 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:50,000 Run. 464 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,000 And then going, no, you got to do this. 465 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,000 You got to do this because you said you were going to do it. 466 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,000 And then doing it and going, that was amazing. 467 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,000 Oh my God, I can't believe it. 468 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:01,000 I just overcame the worst pain. 469 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:07,000 Initially, you had said after you were branded, you actually felt proud that you ... 470 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,000 Yeah, you know, I went through this thing. 471 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:10,000 It was painful. 472 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:11,000 It was awful. 473 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:16,000 I wanted to leave, then I stuck it through, and I did feel proud of myself for not... 474 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:06,099 By the time you're that far in and you've so internalized the belief system, you believ... 475 00:22:06,099 --> 00:22:26,099 you need to do in order to reach whatever the 476 00:22:26,199 --> 00:22:32,199 level is that they're promising you and in order to respect, you know, your revered... 477 00:22:32,199 --> 00:22:36,199 level is that they're promising you and in order to respect, you know, your revered... 478 00:22:36,199 --> 00:22:45,199 I walked around thinking, I did that even though I didn't want to, which is the whol... 479 00:22:45,199 --> 00:22:47,199 If we don't want to do it, we don't do it. 480 00:22:47,199 --> 00:22:49,199 And that's so flaky and indulgent. 481 00:22:49,199 --> 00:22:51,199 And I did it. 482 00:22:51,199 --> 00:22:55,199 I'm feeling love for Lauren and love for these women I just endured this trauma with. 483 00:22:55,299 --> 00:22:57,299 Put me into a place of pride. 484 00:22:57,299 --> 00:23:03,299 And that was so great until I realized what the symbol was. 485 00:23:03,299 --> 00:23:07,299 There's this whole description of what all the lines meant. 486 00:23:07,299 --> 00:23:11,299 But really, it was Keith's initials. 487 00:23:11,299 --> 00:23:17,299 Keith's initials on my crotch. 488 00:23:17,299 --> 00:23:23,299 The first person I told was Mark. 489 00:23:23,399 --> 00:23:25,399 She said to me, it's really bad. 490 00:23:25,399 --> 00:23:29,399 And she started telling me like everything. 491 00:23:36,399 --> 00:23:38,399 And I was horrified. 492 00:23:38,399 --> 00:23:44,399 Because I was like, what the are they doing? 493 00:23:44,399 --> 00:23:46,399 And she said, I can't I can't leave. 494 00:23:46,399 --> 00:23:48,399 What do you mean you can't leave? 495 00:23:48,399 --> 00:23:50,399 They have all this on me. 496 00:23:50,399 --> 00:23:52,399 I was so angry. 497 00:23:52,500 --> 00:23:54,500 I burned her with his initials. 498 00:23:54,500 --> 00:23:58,500 They did that to somebody I brought in who trusted me. 499 00:23:58,500 --> 00:24:02,500 And then I thought how many other girls are in this position? 500 00:24:02,500 --> 00:24:04,500 I say to Sarah, okay, I'm resigning. 501 00:24:04,500 --> 00:24:10,500 And she starts like feeling very emotional and very upset because it's a huge thing. 502 00:24:10,500 --> 00:24:14,500 We've been business partners and like friends for years. 503 00:24:14,500 --> 00:24:16,500 And I told her, you need to get out. 504 00:24:16,500 --> 00:24:20,500 You need to make peace with whatever material they have on you. 505 00:24:20,599 --> 00:24:24,599 And whatever you've said that you've recorded, you need to make peace with it. 506 00:24:24,599 --> 00:24:26,599 And you need to get out. 507 00:24:26,599 --> 00:24:28,599 This is dangerous. 508 00:24:28,599 --> 00:24:30,599 And I told her this is trafficking. 509 00:24:30,599 --> 00:24:32,599 And then she was saying, Anthony doesn't know. 510 00:24:32,599 --> 00:24:34,599 And I said, you need to tell him. 511 00:24:40,599 --> 00:24:42,599 When I first saw the brand, I wanted to break. 512 00:24:44,599 --> 00:24:46,599 I was appalled. 513 00:24:46,699 --> 00:24:50,699 I mean, I was like, how the f*** could this happen? 514 00:24:50,699 --> 00:24:54,699 I'm taking my wife and my kid and I'm getting the f*** out of here and you guys might be... 515 00:25:00,699 --> 00:25:04,699 I needed to wake up to what was actually going on in this company. 516 00:25:04,699 --> 00:25:08,699 And when I had that recognition of what it was actually a part of, 517 00:25:08,699 --> 00:25:12,699 and I stopped drinking the Kool-Aid, I knew that I had to leave. 518 00:25:12,799 --> 00:25:16,799 Keith really thought that this whole collateral thing would just stop people fr... 519 00:25:16,799 --> 00:25:18,799 And it didn't. 520 00:25:18,799 --> 00:25:22,799 And I'm not going to stop talking about it until Keith is held responsible. 521 00:25:22,799 --> 00:25:26,799 Do you feel like you're on a mission to undo something? 522 00:25:26,799 --> 00:25:28,799 Yes. 523 00:25:28,799 --> 00:25:30,799 That's a bad story. 524 00:25:30,799 --> 00:25:32,799 That's all right. 525 00:25:34,799 --> 00:25:36,799 I have to. 526 00:25:36,799 --> 00:25:38,799 I have to undo it as best as I can. 527 00:25:38,899 --> 00:25:40,899 I have to. 528 00:25:40,899 --> 00:25:42,899 I have to undo it as best as I can. 529 00:25:42,899 --> 00:25:44,899 I can't just walk away. 530 00:25:48,899 --> 00:25:52,899 The night of the branding, where did that happen? 531 00:25:52,899 --> 00:25:54,899 The actual branding itself was at Allison Mac's home. 532 00:25:54,899 --> 00:25:56,899 Allison Mac's home. 533 00:25:56,899 --> 00:26:02,899 And there's been a lot said about the fact that the brand shows Keith Raniere's... 534 00:26:02,899 --> 00:26:06,899 They also show Allison Mac's initials, AM. 535 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,000 It used to be that way. 536 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,000 I saw the AM before I saw the KR. 537 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:16,000 You did? 538 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,000 I saw the AM first. 539 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:23,000 When I left, I thought the branding was the most horrific abuse that was happening in... 540 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:30,000 I actually think that the branding doesn't even compare to the other emotional abuses... 541 00:26:30,099 --> 00:26:37,099 So once I left, I heard about Keith using sex as a means to control people. 542 00:26:37,099 --> 00:26:42,099 My knowledge about him sleeping with all the girls was like that there was a few. 543 00:26:42,099 --> 00:26:49,099 I didn't understand that it was like dozens, 20, 30, like a lot. 544 00:26:49,099 --> 00:26:53,099 I've heard of women, many women, signing lifelong vows to only have sex with Keith. 545 00:26:53,099 --> 00:26:58,099 I don't have a problem necessarily with somebody saying they want to have like, yo... 546 00:26:58,199 --> 00:27:07,199 but like, don't convince a girl that having sex with you is the thing she needs to do ... 547 00:27:16,199 --> 00:27:23,199 I don't think it's okay for a man who's the leader of a philosophical movement to be... 548 00:27:23,199 --> 00:27:26,199 and his students within the company. 549 00:27:26,299 --> 00:27:29,299 It's a conflict of interest because they're there to learn, 550 00:27:29,299 --> 00:27:34,299 and then you have the person who's teaching them having sex with them as part of their... 551 00:27:34,299 --> 00:27:37,299 If that's what he wants to do, that should be on their f***ing website. 552 00:27:38,299 --> 00:27:42,299 This is a level of growth through sex with the leader. 553 00:27:42,299 --> 00:27:49,299 Keith has been able to continue on with these types of abuses because nobody talks about... 554 00:27:51,299 --> 00:27:55,299 So I did an interview with the New York Times to be a whistleblower. 555 00:27:56,299 --> 00:28:02,299 There's two goals. Educating the world and helping people on the inside see what they... 556 00:28:04,299 --> 00:28:07,299 Nexium is Keith's sick perverted fantasy. 557 00:28:07,299 --> 00:28:11,299 To get people to do what he wants, to bend to his will. 558 00:28:11,299 --> 00:28:14,299 But unfortunately people inside Nexium didn't believe me. 559 00:28:14,299 --> 00:28:17,299 Keith denied everything. 560 00:28:17,399 --> 00:28:20,399 There's no world where Keith didn't know this is going on. It's impossible. 561 00:28:20,399 --> 00:28:27,399 I think DOS is the culmination of Keith's madness that he started decades ago. 562 00:28:28,399 --> 00:28:31,399 Keith Raniere denied that he had anything to do with DOS, 563 00:28:31,399 --> 00:28:38,399 and yet the night you were branded, each of you took turns holding an iPhone. 564 00:28:38,399 --> 00:28:39,399 Lauren's iPhone. 565 00:28:39,399 --> 00:28:40,399 Lauren's iPhone. 566 00:28:40,399 --> 00:28:41,399 And you were branded. 567 00:28:41,399 --> 00:28:42,399 And you were branded. 568 00:28:42,399 --> 00:28:43,399 And you were branded. 569 00:28:43,399 --> 00:28:44,399 And you were branded. 570 00:28:44,399 --> 00:28:45,399 And you were branded. 571 00:28:45,399 --> 00:28:46,399 And you were branded. 572 00:28:46,500 --> 00:28:47,500 Lauren's iPhone. 573 00:28:47,500 --> 00:28:48,500 Lauren's iPhone. 574 00:28:48,500 --> 00:28:51,500 To videotape, to tape the branding. 575 00:28:51,500 --> 00:28:55,500 And during the time that you were holding the phone, Keith texted Lauren. 576 00:28:55,500 --> 00:28:56,500 Keith texted Lauren. 577 00:28:56,500 --> 00:29:01,500 That's when the initial seed was planted of, wow, this is not what I thought it was. 578 00:29:01,500 --> 00:29:04,500 And so a text came through from KAR. 579 00:29:04,500 --> 00:29:09,500 So then I confirmed it was Keith Raniere saying, how are they all doing with each... 580 00:29:10,500 --> 00:29:11,500 To Lauren. 581 00:29:11,500 --> 00:29:12,500 And it's because you were holding her phone? 582 00:29:12,500 --> 00:29:14,500 I was holding Lauren's phone, filming. 583 00:29:14,599 --> 00:29:21,599 But you see that she happened to catch the fact that he knew full well what was going... 584 00:29:21,599 --> 00:29:22,599 Yes. 585 00:29:22,599 --> 00:29:25,599 But when I initially came out, and I wasn't going to say anything, 586 00:29:25,599 --> 00:29:29,599 and then when I did talk about it and tried to share that with people to try to get th... 587 00:29:29,599 --> 00:29:32,599 they would say, well, how do we know that that text came from Keith? 588 00:29:32,599 --> 00:29:33,599 Can you duplicate that? 589 00:29:33,599 --> 00:29:34,599 I didn't see it. 590 00:29:34,599 --> 00:29:36,599 It wasn't proof. 591 00:29:36,599 --> 00:29:39,599 You know, this is obviously a crisis moment for the organization, 592 00:29:39,599 --> 00:29:43,599 and this is a time when a number of people might leave, 593 00:29:43,699 --> 00:29:48,699 but those people who stay become even more fervent in their beliefs. 594 00:29:48,699 --> 00:29:49,699 But what is that? 595 00:29:49,699 --> 00:29:50,699 That's cognitive dissonance. 596 00:29:50,699 --> 00:29:54,699 It's that when reality doesn't meet your belief system, 597 00:29:54,699 --> 00:29:59,699 nine times out of ten, you're going to retain your thinking with the belief system 598 00:29:59,699 --> 00:30:03,699 rather than change your reality, because that's the safer way to go. 599 00:30:03,699 --> 00:30:08,699 It's just so much easier to just hunker down and stay with what you know. 600 00:30:13,699 --> 00:30:18,699 I have spent so many years promoting and recruiting for this group 601 00:30:18,699 --> 00:30:22,699 and singing his praises and saying that it's good. 602 00:30:22,699 --> 00:30:29,699 I regret putting my life force behind a sociopathic, narcissistic nut job. 603 00:30:29,699 --> 00:30:33,699 I absolutely feel like I sent people into the lion's den. 604 00:30:33,699 --> 00:30:36,699 I brought so many people into Nexium. 605 00:30:36,699 --> 00:30:38,699 The people I enrolled and the people they enrolled 606 00:30:38,699 --> 00:30:41,699 is just under or just over 2,000 people. 607 00:30:41,799 --> 00:30:46,799 And the more that I hear their stories, the more I regret being a salesperson. 608 00:30:46,799 --> 00:30:48,799 Some of those people aren't even talking to me, 609 00:30:48,799 --> 00:30:51,799 and they were friends of mine from way before this. 610 00:30:51,799 --> 00:30:56,799 I feel especially responsible to make amends with the people that I got in. 611 00:30:56,899 --> 00:31:01,899 In the entire 12 years that I was in Nexium, 612 00:31:01,899 --> 00:31:06,899 the outside world, also known as the real world, said that I was in a cult. 613 00:31:06,899 --> 00:31:10,899 And we joked about that, that if we were in a cult, 614 00:31:10,899 --> 00:31:13,899 it was a great cult of happy, successful, joyful people. 615 00:31:13,899 --> 00:31:16,899 And I was totally happy with my cult. 616 00:31:16,899 --> 00:31:19,899 I was happy with my life. 617 00:31:19,899 --> 00:31:22,899 I was happy with my life. 618 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,000 I was a very successful, joyful people, 619 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,000 and I was totally happy with my cult. 620 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:33,000 I was originally enrolled in Nexium because 621 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:38,000 I found this website, and I saw Sarah Edmondson's face, 622 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,000 who I knew, and I recognized immediately. 623 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:45,000 If she's a part of this, I'm in. 624 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,000 I don't have the money, but I will make room on my credit card, 625 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,000 and I will put all my savings into this, 626 00:31:51,099 --> 00:31:54,099 and I will make room on my credit card, 627 00:31:54,099 --> 00:31:57,099 and I will make room on my credit card, 628 00:31:57,099 --> 00:32:00,099 and I will make room on my credit card, 629 00:32:00,099 --> 00:32:03,099 and I will make room on my credit card, 630 00:32:03,099 --> 00:32:06,099 and I will make room on my credit card, 631 00:32:06,099 --> 00:32:09,099 and I will make room on my credit card, 632 00:32:09,099 --> 00:32:12,099 and I will make room on my credit card, 633 00:32:12,099 --> 00:32:15,099 and I will make room on my credit card, 634 00:32:15,099 --> 00:32:18,099 and I will make room on my credit card, 635 00:32:18,199 --> 00:32:21,199 and I will make room on my credit card, 636 00:32:21,199 --> 00:32:24,199 and I will make room on my credit card, 637 00:32:24,199 --> 00:32:27,199 and I will make room on my credit card, 638 00:32:27,199 --> 00:32:30,199 and I will make room on my credit card, 639 00:32:30,199 --> 00:32:33,199 and I will make room on my credit card, 640 00:32:33,199 --> 00:32:36,199 and I will make room on my credit card, 641 00:32:36,199 --> 00:32:39,199 and I will make room on my credit card, 642 00:32:39,199 --> 00:32:42,199 and I will make room on my credit card, 643 00:32:42,199 --> 00:32:45,199 and I will make room on my credit card, 644 00:32:45,199 --> 00:32:47,199 and I will make room on my credit card, 645 00:32:47,299 --> 00:32:49,299 it's just really hard to talk about. 646 00:32:49,299 --> 00:32:51,299 Like, it's like my whole body is like just 647 00:32:51,299 --> 00:32:53,299 having these little tremors. 648 00:32:53,299 --> 00:32:55,299 Because I know where we're going, you know, 649 00:32:55,299 --> 00:32:57,299 and I've lived through all of this. 650 00:32:59,299 --> 00:33:02,299 When it came time, I trusted the doctor 651 00:33:02,299 --> 00:33:04,299 in next-year administering it, 652 00:33:04,299 --> 00:33:06,299 as a doctor and as a friend. 653 00:33:06,299 --> 00:33:08,299 He's got the brainwave machine there 654 00:33:08,299 --> 00:33:10,299 and a TV screen set up. 655 00:33:10,299 --> 00:33:12,299 I get the brainwave cap on, 656 00:33:12,299 --> 00:33:15,299 my finger monitor and whatever other little monitors, 657 00:33:15,399 --> 00:33:17,399 and he said, okay, so I'm going to play you some clips 658 00:33:17,399 --> 00:33:21,399 and in between, we'll just debrief your experience. 659 00:33:21,399 --> 00:33:23,399 But at the time, I had no idea 660 00:33:23,399 --> 00:33:25,399 what I was going to witness. 661 00:33:25,399 --> 00:33:27,399 I didn't know how much it would affect me. 662 00:33:27,399 --> 00:33:29,399 He presses play. 663 00:33:29,399 --> 00:33:31,399 Sir, for your sake... 664 00:33:31,399 --> 00:33:33,399 It wasn't a movie. 665 00:33:33,399 --> 00:33:35,399 This was real life. 666 00:33:39,399 --> 00:33:41,399 Four of the men reached down 667 00:33:41,399 --> 00:33:43,399 to the women on their knees, 668 00:33:43,500 --> 00:33:45,500 and they pulled out their machete 669 00:33:45,500 --> 00:33:47,500 and just cut their heads off. 670 00:33:49,500 --> 00:33:51,500 It was so horrific. 671 00:33:53,500 --> 00:33:55,500 They just started cutting them up into pieces. 672 00:33:57,500 --> 00:33:59,500 And he said, how was that experience for you? 673 00:34:01,500 --> 00:34:03,500 And I just sat there. 674 00:34:05,500 --> 00:34:07,500 It was so surreal that one moment, 675 00:34:07,500 --> 00:34:09,500 they were humans, and the next moment, 676 00:34:09,500 --> 00:34:11,500 they were bodies. 677 00:34:11,599 --> 00:34:15,599 I still think I have some, like, PTSD stuff. 678 00:34:15,599 --> 00:34:17,599 Me too. 679 00:34:17,599 --> 00:34:19,599 I devoted most of my income to this, 680 00:34:19,599 --> 00:34:21,599 and when I first left, 681 00:34:21,599 --> 00:34:23,599 I had pretty much nothing. 682 00:34:23,599 --> 00:34:25,599 You weren't treated well. 683 00:34:25,599 --> 00:34:29,599 Not just by the upper ranks, but by me. 684 00:34:29,599 --> 00:34:31,599 And by so many people 685 00:34:31,599 --> 00:34:33,599 who just, like, sh-t on your beautiful, 686 00:34:33,599 --> 00:34:35,599 shining spirit. 687 00:34:35,599 --> 00:34:37,599 I'm so sorry. 688 00:34:41,599 --> 00:34:43,599 I regret having people 689 00:34:43,599 --> 00:34:45,599 spend money on a program 690 00:34:45,599 --> 00:34:47,599 that systematically destroys their life 691 00:34:47,599 --> 00:34:49,599 and calls it growth. 692 00:34:49,599 --> 00:34:51,599 Doctor, I wanted to get 693 00:34:51,599 --> 00:34:53,599 some of your reaction to this. 694 00:34:53,599 --> 00:34:55,599 Why would anybody do 695 00:34:55,599 --> 00:34:57,599 an experiment like that? 696 00:34:57,599 --> 00:34:59,599 Well, a cult's goal 697 00:34:59,599 --> 00:35:01,599 or a cult leader's goal 698 00:35:01,599 --> 00:35:03,599 is to enforce conformity and compliance. 699 00:35:03,599 --> 00:35:05,599 How do you do that with a snuff film? 700 00:35:05,599 --> 00:35:07,599 By seeing such a horrendous, 701 00:35:07,599 --> 00:35:09,599 violent, traumatic video 702 00:35:09,699 --> 00:35:11,699 they're able to monitor 703 00:35:11,699 --> 00:35:13,699 the reaction of the person. 704 00:35:13,699 --> 00:35:15,699 They're hopefully 705 00:35:15,699 --> 00:35:17,699 desensitizing the person 706 00:35:17,699 --> 00:35:19,699 for further abuse to come. 707 00:35:19,699 --> 00:35:21,699 So it's a way to measure 708 00:35:21,699 --> 00:35:23,699 a person's ability 709 00:35:23,699 --> 00:35:25,699 to either move to the next level or not. 710 00:35:25,699 --> 00:35:27,699 And it's also just sick. 711 00:35:27,699 --> 00:35:29,699 It's really sick. 712 00:35:29,699 --> 00:35:31,699 It's really sick and evil. 713 00:35:31,699 --> 00:35:33,699 And it's a horrendous, 714 00:35:33,699 --> 00:35:35,699 ethical violation. 715 00:35:35,699 --> 00:35:37,699 I mean, there's rules and regulations 716 00:35:37,799 --> 00:35:39,799 for scientific or medical experiments. 717 00:35:39,799 --> 00:35:41,799 And they violated all of that. 718 00:35:41,799 --> 00:35:43,799 And to blindly put someone into that 719 00:35:43,799 --> 00:35:45,799 is just absolute cruelty. 720 00:35:53,799 --> 00:35:55,799 We're going to begin tonight with some breaking news 721 00:35:55,799 --> 00:35:57,799 involving Nexium. 722 00:35:57,799 --> 00:35:59,799 The leader of an alleged sex cult has been arrested in Mexico. 723 00:35:59,799 --> 00:36:01,799 Keith Reynier is found 724 00:36:01,799 --> 00:36:03,799 hiding in a villa with several women 725 00:36:03,799 --> 00:36:05,799 in the popular Mexican resort. 726 00:36:05,900 --> 00:36:07,900 The founder of Nexium is accused of coercing women 727 00:36:07,900 --> 00:36:09,900 into being sex slaves. 728 00:36:09,900 --> 00:36:11,900 He's now facing federal charges, 729 00:36:11,900 --> 00:36:13,900 including sex trafficking. 730 00:36:13,900 --> 00:36:15,900 They post the statement on their website. 731 00:36:15,900 --> 00:36:17,900 And even brand themselves with Reynier's initials. 732 00:36:17,900 --> 00:36:19,900 It's a blip that he's ever harmed, 733 00:36:19,900 --> 00:36:21,900 abused, exploited. 734 00:36:25,900 --> 00:36:27,900 When you first learned 735 00:36:27,900 --> 00:36:29,900 about this massive indictment, 736 00:36:29,900 --> 00:36:31,900 what are the emotions? 737 00:36:31,900 --> 00:36:33,900 Do you finally feel vindication? 738 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,000 Do you feel triumph? 739 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,000 Do you feel shock? 740 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,000 Because these are serious charges. 741 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,000 Very serious charges. 742 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,000 I feel all of the things you just said. 743 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,000 Mostly vindicated, yes, 744 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,000 but also that justice 745 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,000 is working, finally. 746 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,000 And after so many years. 747 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,000 But I also feel safer. 748 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,000 You know, knowing that he's 749 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,000 at least temporarily behind bars. 750 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,000 I do feel like I think I'm always 751 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,000 going to be looking over my shoulder. 752 00:37:02,099 --> 00:37:04,099 Even if he's in jail, there's this concept 753 00:37:04,099 --> 00:37:06,099 of like flying monkeys. 754 00:37:06,099 --> 00:37:08,099 The narcissists have 755 00:37:08,099 --> 00:37:10,099 people that do their bidding. 756 00:37:10,099 --> 00:37:12,099 And I've seen 757 00:37:12,099 --> 00:37:14,099 how people will follow whatever order 758 00:37:14,099 --> 00:37:16,099 he puts out. And that's frightening to me. 759 00:37:16,099 --> 00:37:18,099 This affidavit, 760 00:37:18,099 --> 00:37:20,099 I mean, part of it reads, 761 00:37:20,099 --> 00:37:22,099 some of the masters 762 00:37:22,099 --> 00:37:24,099 gave their slaves assignments 763 00:37:24,099 --> 00:37:26,099 that either directly or implicitly required 764 00:37:26,099 --> 00:37:28,099 them to have sex with Reyniery. 765 00:37:28,099 --> 00:37:30,099 Which they then did. 766 00:37:30,199 --> 00:37:32,199 Other assignments appeared designed to groom 767 00:37:32,199 --> 00:37:34,199 slaves sexually for Reyniery. 768 00:37:34,199 --> 00:37:36,199 At another part, 769 00:37:36,199 --> 00:37:38,199 Reyniery acknowledged to one DOS victim 770 00:37:38,199 --> 00:37:40,199 that his initials were incorporated 771 00:37:40,199 --> 00:37:42,199 into the brand as a form 772 00:37:42,199 --> 00:37:44,199 of tribute to him. 773 00:37:46,199 --> 00:37:48,199 It's not what it means to me anymore. 774 00:37:48,199 --> 00:37:50,199 But that's what it was intended for. 775 00:37:50,199 --> 00:37:52,199 Did anything surprise you in here? 776 00:37:52,199 --> 00:37:54,199 I read things in here that I hadn't 777 00:37:54,199 --> 00:37:56,199 heard of for the first time. 778 00:37:56,199 --> 00:37:58,199 What? About the woman who was brought 779 00:37:58,299 --> 00:38:00,299 into a shack to have oral sex 780 00:38:00,299 --> 00:38:02,299 performed on her while she was blindfolded. 781 00:38:02,299 --> 00:38:04,299 And she didn't know who it was? 782 00:38:04,299 --> 00:38:06,299 I mean, that's disgusting. 783 00:38:08,299 --> 00:38:10,299 What would you say to Keith 784 00:38:10,299 --> 00:38:12,299 if you had the chance to say anything to him now? 785 00:38:14,299 --> 00:38:16,299 I would say that he messed with the wrong person. 786 00:38:18,299 --> 00:38:20,299 And then he, for such a brilliant man, 787 00:38:20,299 --> 00:38:22,299 made a big mistake. 788 00:38:22,299 --> 00:38:24,299 He underestimated you. 789 00:38:24,299 --> 00:38:26,299 He really underestimated me. 790 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,400 And at the same time, 791 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,400 I... 792 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,400 part of me still feels badly. 793 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,400 Isn't that bizarre? That, like... 794 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,400 he's still a human. 795 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,400 You know, he's still a human 796 00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,400 who is going to have a rough time. 797 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,400 And I feel badly about that. And anyone who ends up 798 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,400 going to jail. You begin to doubt yourself. 799 00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,400 Yeah. For someone who's been in as long as you were 800 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,400 and you still hear that cult in your head 801 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,400 every now and then, and you're free, 802 00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,400 but you're not free, and you're happy, 803 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,400 but you're devastated, and there's, like, 804 00:38:54,500 --> 00:38:56,500 this incredible rollercoaster of emotion. 805 00:38:56,500 --> 00:38:58,500 Absolutely. 806 00:38:58,500 --> 00:39:00,500 For me, the indictment 807 00:39:00,500 --> 00:39:02,500 is so beyond 808 00:39:02,500 --> 00:39:04,500 validating for my last 809 00:39:04,500 --> 00:39:06,500 year of hell that I've gone through. 810 00:39:06,500 --> 00:39:08,500 And it has been hell. 811 00:39:08,500 --> 00:39:10,500 And I've... 812 00:39:10,500 --> 00:39:12,500 Sorry. 813 00:39:12,500 --> 00:39:14,500 This has been a very hard fight. 814 00:39:14,500 --> 00:39:16,500 But a very... 815 00:39:20,500 --> 00:39:22,500 Ironically, the most principal thing I've ever done 816 00:39:22,599 --> 00:39:24,599 to stand up against him. 817 00:39:26,599 --> 00:39:28,599 But to see the affidavit 818 00:39:28,599 --> 00:39:30,599 and to see that from the FBI 819 00:39:30,599 --> 00:39:32,599 is so vindicating 820 00:39:32,599 --> 00:39:34,599 for everything that I fought for. 821 00:39:38,599 --> 00:39:40,599 I've heard through other people 822 00:39:40,599 --> 00:39:42,599 within Nexium, especially since reading 823 00:39:42,599 --> 00:39:44,599 the affidavit from the FBI, which is public, 824 00:39:44,599 --> 00:39:46,599 that they're starting to ask questions 825 00:39:46,599 --> 00:39:48,599 that the higher ranks can't answer. 826 00:39:48,599 --> 00:39:50,599 And the web of lies is 827 00:39:50,599 --> 00:39:52,699 falling apart. 828 00:40:20,699 --> 00:40:22,699 15 years to life in prison if convicted. 829 00:40:26,699 --> 00:40:28,699 The more that I try to unravel 830 00:40:28,699 --> 00:40:30,699 what happened to me and figure myself out 831 00:40:30,699 --> 00:40:32,699 and my life in the last 12 years, 832 00:40:32,699 --> 00:40:34,699 the more 833 00:40:34,699 --> 00:40:36,699 I'm just wanting to shout from the rooftops 834 00:40:36,699 --> 00:40:38,699 how important it is to 835 00:40:38,699 --> 00:40:40,699 shine a light on this type of abuse 836 00:40:40,699 --> 00:40:42,699 and this type of group, and how 837 00:40:42,699 --> 00:40:44,699 anyone could 838 00:40:44,699 --> 00:40:46,699 fall victim to 839 00:40:46,699 --> 00:40:48,699 something like this. 840 00:40:48,799 --> 00:40:50,799 I believe that Keith's arrest 841 00:40:50,799 --> 00:40:52,799 is the beginning of the end for Nexium. 842 00:40:52,799 --> 00:40:54,799 I've always wanted to have 843 00:40:54,799 --> 00:40:56,799 an impact in the world, and 844 00:40:58,799 --> 00:41:00,799 didn't think it would be like this.