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Yeah, I got a different title every time I come up. I like how US intelligence created an alien invasion.

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I think I suggested that as one of the titles to the publisher, but they changed it to US government, which is fine.

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Okay, how many of you actually have either, how many have read the book?

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Oh, good. That means I can present this and nobody can say, wait, you said something else.

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I do add, every time I give the talk, which has been about, I don't know, maybe six or seven times, I add new stuff.

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Just yesterday morning before I put the lecture together and checked it over again.

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So there's always some new stuff. How many of you know about the, I've heard of Paul Benowitz and what happened to him?

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That's, that's pretty good. Great. That means that I can, I can really go to town here.

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Okay. So Paul Benowitz, is that work? There we go.

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That's only picture of Paul Benowitz that I was able to find. I put out a, I put out a bounty of a hundred dollars.

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If anybody could find an original picture different than this one and nobody could know, no, no UFO researchers anyone, which was kind of weird.

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Apparently he was kind of camera shy. Paul Benowitz was an electrical physicist. He earned his master's degree and was studying for his doctor.

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When, um, the company he started became so successfully said, well, screw the, uh, doctor. I'm doing so well here.

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I don't need to, um, continue in my education. So he actually started this company called Thunder Scientific Instruments, which made and still makes actually his son's still around the company.

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They're an Albuquerque, New Mexico. They make temperature and humidity instruments for, um, high profile plants like NASA.

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I think even the Air Force and, uh, the private industry, high level, specialized stuff, which he designed built and had manufactured.

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He started the company. I think in the late 60s or early 70s and it became very successful. It still is.

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He's a, uh, a private pilot too, which enters into the story later.

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That's their house, Benowitz family home. Four hills neighborhood is a, as a, uh, well-to-do type neighborhood in, uh, Albuquerque, which actually happens to border right on Curtland Air Force base, which is very important to our story.

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Uh, there's a picture I took, um, in March when I went back there. It's, it's a private area and it says, uh, no visitors without permission or whatever.

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And I was with a production company and you know, how production companies are they drove right up to the house.

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But it didn't go knock on the door anything. I figured well, I'm sitting here in front of me as we'll take a picture of the place.

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So it looks exactly like it did back in the 80s or wherever that picture was taken.

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Well, maybe not exactly. That's kind of weird.

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That is the address though. Maybe the, maybe Chris the Tilton whose book I took that from, uh, got a picture of the wrong house because that was the address.

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There's the sign for send, thunder scientific. It's located right on the border of Curtland Air Force base, just like his house.

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So no matter where he was, day or night, he was right next to the Air Force base.

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And apparently had some business with him because of his, um, his company.

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So you can see right down there actually it says Curtland Air Force base. This is the Wyoming entrance and there's a warning sign there about not coming on the base without permission or you'll get shot and things like that.

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So yeah, the company is actually that way down the street about half a block, but they've got this giant sign. Well, it's not giant. It's about maybe 15, 20 feet high right at the entrance to Curtland Air Force base. You see it when you drive in.

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So what's so special about Curtland Air Force base? Well, that's a satellite picture. I think you can still get it on the internet. It's funny. I looked for it. I got it for the lecture a couple years ago and then I looked again, because I wanted to check something else and it was taken off.

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But now it's back on again. So maybe they changed something.

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What you were looking at Curtland, this is all Curtland Air Force base off the bottom of here too. It goes for miles down here. That's Albuquerque International Airport or no, I think this is.

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And it's right. Yeah, when you fly into Albuquerque, they're going to actually see Curtland Air Force base and the fighters and everything there.

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The Benoet home is right there. There's a country club. It's just this little on clay. Nothing really little, but this this neighborhood here. Very expensive homes.

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There's there's the base golf course. This is Monzano Mountain, which is very important in the story here. This is a road and perimeter fence that goes all the way around it. It's a triple fence. It's electrified. Do I have a picture of it here?

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Well, that's the fence near Paul Benoet's house with the same ubiquitous warning sign. Do not dress past government property. And there's a road that the jeeps and things drive on when they when they drive the perimeter.

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I shouldn't put things up here that people can read because you start reading and then you stop listening, but that's fine.

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It's human nature to start reading. What was going on with Monzano Mountain is in 1947, strangely enough. Very significant date, of course, everybody here knows about.

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The Army Air Force, which it was at the time, decided that well, maybe it was the Air Force by then. I got changed over in 1948. So this was right before it became its own entity.

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There was a large project initiated by the Air Force and headed up by General Leslie Groves, who is actually the guy in charge of the Manhattan Project.

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What they wanted to do was provide a place to store all these nuclear weapons, components, maybe planes, things like that. Underground where people couldn't see them. So they started digging into Monzano Mountain there.

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Actually, I'll show you. So this mountain here that you saw there. This is looking from right here at this direction. That mountain is completely full of tunnels caves.

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Apparently rooms is bigots football fields to store aircraft and nuclear weapons components. And in the 1980s when the story takes place, it was actually the largest storage area for nuclear weapons components in the world.

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So it was all over the press that something was being dug up there and people flying in could actually see dirt being piled up. They said it looked like a giant ant hill.

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Just to show you that it wasn't any big secret. They were digging something there. There's the date and the paper.

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It was the Oregonian just happened to find that in some files.

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There's for no particular reason is a wider shot of Monzano Mountain just to show you how it's about maybe a mile or two by about four miles long.

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And about maybe a mile and a half to two miles away from this fence here just to give you some idea of the scale.

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Paul Benowitz's house is up in this area right here. That fence I showed you is right on this side of the road. So he was right, you know, he could look straight off here into the base. Everybody that lives there can do that.

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And if you look, I told you about the fence that's going around. There's you can sort of see the fence there. I took this when I was researching the book and then when I went back the next time.

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I noticed I thought there was a double fence was a triple fence and it's electrified and at least one or two of them.

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Maybe all of them. And a couple people I talked to said that they'd actually found people electrocuted and dead like in here that had tried to sneak in over the years.

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This is a very strange thing that I found when we were there last time too. We were taking a look at the mountain there and you know when you when you look at it.

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It doesn't really look like there's anything there. I mean it's just a mountain and a bunch of scrub brush.

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But we were hanging out there at dusk when it was just getting dark and one of the producers on the right on the program said what's that light there.

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So I took a picture of it and it's actually an entrance to something.

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And I don't know why they turn the light on at night. Maybe they just don't care and everybody knows that there's underground facilities there so it doesn't really matter.

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But there's you know this is a big garage door type thing there. It was kind of near the base of the mountain. I just thought it was interesting because on that side of the mountain you can't really see anything.

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It's all on the other side where people can't see the mountain which I actually got to see. I saw some of the entrances on the other side which I will talk about.

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That's another view of the base. There's Albuquerque's airport. That's the that's the main runway. If so if you find Albuquerque you go right over the base.

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It's not nothing's really hidden or so you would think.

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One of the things they have on the base is apparently the largest wooden structure in the world.

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Completely wooden. There's no metal parts in it. The reason for that was it was used to test electromagnetic pulses which is one of a nuclear device bomb or anything goes off.

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It creates a selector magnetic pulse. There's a lot of you know probably fries electronics screws up everything and you know a

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Delic electronics and a plane. So what they used to do is they roll planes out on this they tow them out and roll them out on this platform

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And subject them to huge electromagnetic pulses and test to see if the instruments all still work and all that.

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That's kind of a you can't really get any idea the scale from that picture. So I found this one the other day. That's a B52 sitting on it.

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So it's pretty big. But they found out after they'd done some tests that they couldn't produce a big enough electromagnetic pulse even with all the power that they were drawing and all the capacitors they had to produce that pulse. So it was basically useless.

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I guess it just it never did anything to the planes. So they it was quite an expensive project.

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I talked to some people that worked at the base and they said some in these these no metal parts and any of these this all wouldn't.

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They had some of the engineers had bolts and and nuts and things made out of wood that were about that big around about that long just giant wooden bolts.

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They used to put this thing together.

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The most obvious thing on the base that you can see from outside the base.

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This is something I found when I was looking yesterday.

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Just just to show you that currently it's still in the forefront of developing all kinds of different devices weapons etc.

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They actually pioneered some laser weapons systems there too. They can shoot from planes and melt rockets and things like that with this one was very interesting though.

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It's called the active denial system.

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Which is a wonderful euphemism for a basically a microwave. They point at people to burn their skin to get them to run out of the way.

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Apparently it's what it's supposed to do is it's at it burns of top 164th or 16th inch of skin to the point where you feel uncomfortable and you get out of the way.

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But of course, there's other stories about tanks melting and things like that.

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So who knows what's being developed there.

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That is a picture actually from current land air force base, which I brought up on the internet showing that they were involved heavily in the development of that device.

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And that's one mounted on a Humvee.

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I don't actually put Gulf War deployment. It's in the Gulf War, but I don't know if they would have this kind of camouflage for the Gulf War.

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However, it is being used right now to disperse crowds or maybe more I do not know.

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Another strange facility there. It's a place called the Starfire Range.

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And what it looks like is just an observatory, but it's far more than that.

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It does have telescopes, but the telescopes are not what you think there for.

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Another weird aspect of the base.

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The picture was taken in the early 80s on a tour of the base.

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Actually, since I told the story already, Bill Moore was driving through the base with Richard Dodie and Dodie said,

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Bill said, why?

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It's just a bunch of buildings.

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And Dodie said, take a picture of it and see what happens.

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So he took it back and developed it.

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And that was he let me to say it by 10 print.

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There's a telephone pole or something there.

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These are entrances to garages or warehouses or something.

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These are all buildings.

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And he said, when you, and there's a fence right here, you can sort of see if you look really closely.

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I should blow up the picture.

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But apparently there's some way to make that facility invisible to photography.

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So when you take a picture, it looks like a snow drift.

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You can see it fine when you're standing there, but when you develop any pictures of it, it does that.

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And I've talked to some intelligence people and they say, yeah, they can do that.

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That's been used for many, many years now since at least the 80s and probably before.

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That's the facility for San Diego Labs, which are still one of the contractors on the Curtain Air Force Base grounds.

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They were the ones that are involved with, I think with the laser testing at least and many other things.

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And something else I'm going to talk about too, which is still sort of unexplained.

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So Paul Benowitz was, I like I said, was an electrical physicist. He had his own business.

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He didn't really have any other interests. I asked people when I did interviews for the book.

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I said, you know, what do you know about Paul did he go water skiing, you know, did he collect stamps and people said, I don't know anything about him except he had this business and he was interested in UFOs.

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That's all he would talk about.

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So it's very hard to tell exactly what kind of person he was except that he was very good at what he did. He was far above average intelligence and he was very interested in the UFOs subject.

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And because of this, he got involved in this case with a woman named Marina Hansen.

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In late 1979, I believe, or early 1980, a woman was going home from a visit to Oklahoma.

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The tip of it goes right up to the edge of New Mexico, the little panhandle touches New Mexico.

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Apparently, they were in that area and driving back.

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About one in the morning, they said that she saw some kind of overed object, a very large one in a smaller one next to it floating over a field.

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And she said, she saw a cow being sucked up into it.

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She also said that the things came over the road, trying to bright light and they blacked out.

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And then when they woke up, they were driving back home again.

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The typical thing that you would hear from a induction scenario.

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But this was 1979, it was before even Bud Hopkins book, missing time had come out.

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So, you know, who the hell had a kind of, what did a framework for whatever an abduction should be?

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I find that very interesting when you, you know, before things become popular and become talked over again and again, I think there's a lot of data there.

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But they didn't know anybody who knew anything about it.

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She called the police.

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The police didn't know what to do with it.

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They knew one police officer that sort of was dealing with weird stuff.

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His name is Gabe Valdez, some of you have probably heard of him.

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He was a police officer, a state police officer in Delsie, which we will get into as well.

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He knew Paul Benowitz, he said this woman has had some sort of weird experience.

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Maybe you could talk to her.

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So, Benowitz said, sure, if you can get her down here in the police,

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actually got her in a patrol car and drove her from Northeastern, New Mexico all the way down to Albuquerque, about a three-hour drive, maybe longer.

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Benowitz talked to her for a day or two and decided that he wanted to get somebody that was a psychologist.

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Somebody with, in his head, mental health field experience.

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And since he's a member of APRO, do you know, do people know what that is?

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The aerial phenomena research organization.

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It was the other big group that died out when the founders died.

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They actually split off from move on, I think, in the 60s or 50s.

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And they were based in Arizona.

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Paul Benowitz is a member of APRO.

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This guy, Dr. Leo Sprinkle, was on their board.

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He, a lot of you probably heard of Dr. Leo Sprinkle.

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He actually made his biggest mark, I think, up to that time with his involvement with

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Oh, no, he wasn't involved with Travis Walton, but the next person that Benowitz got was he had regressed another woman in Texas who had been to had had some missing time as well.

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And he was just starting to get a handle on what was going on with what an abduction was and what happened in that missing time.

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So Paul Benowitz paid for a flight for Leo Sprinkle to come from Wyoming down to Albuquerque.

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He came to the door and everybody was introduced. He regressed, we're in a Hansen.

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And I don't think her son was with her, too, but he was eight years old.

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And she started describing things like this.

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These large vats with possibly animal or human parts in them and a huge underground facility.

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All kinds of things and that Dr. Sprinkle never heard of this before, but he listened to her.

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She didn't do any drawings. This is a drawing of basically the same thing by another abduct, he Christopher Tillton.

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After he regressed her the first time, they took kind of a respire, I think they did a couple more regressions in Leo Sprinkle went home.

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Benowitz said, would you be willing to come back and do some more of these and Dr. Sprinkle said, sure, fine.

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I know everybody's reading that right now.

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Stop reading right now.

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When Dr. Sprinkle came back a month later, he told me this on the phone.

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I interviewed Leo on the phone and he said, Paul came to the door and his demeanor was completely different.

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Not only that, he had a rifle in his arm and he had a pistol on his hip and he told me to get in the house immediately because aliens were there and they were going to catch them and take them away.

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And he said, at that point, I didn't want to do any more regressions with Marinah Hanson because something had happened that not only would have contaminated her experience, but induced all this paranoia that he thought was no good for either her or for investigating the case.

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So I think he did a short regression and then he left and he said, I don't want to work with this woman anymore because I'm not going to make anything better at this point.

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So he got another guy, Dr. James Harder, who had been the guy that would had regressed Travis Walton and a few of the other people in the Walton snowflake Arizona case.

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And they ended up doing things like, this is a letter he sent to Jim Lawrence and who ran APRO.

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He was one of the founders to people at Rana, him and his wife and described him what they thought they could do to keep aliens from influencing.

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Regressions.

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The regression must be done in a shield and enclosure the best options I'm aware of are in automobile and a garage use three layers of heavy aluminum barbecue type foil to cover all windows grounded to the chrome trim around the windows masking tape to be used to hold it in place do not ground the auto.

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He thought that Marnet Hansen she was not telling them what they needed to know because the aliens were influencing her thoughts and they did things like hold them brothers with aluminum foil over they took her to hospitals that were in x-ray rooms that were led shield at all kinds of things.

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Because Benowitz and I apparently James Harder thought that they weren't getting what weren't getting here information they were getting what the aliens wanted them to think.

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And Jim Lawrence and his wife Coral kind of said keep sending us stuff whatever you find out that's fine thinking well maybe there might be something useful here but as of right now it didn't seem like it.

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He was standing out on his porch and he saw these lights out in this area.

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He saw these lights sitting out on that area between the mountain and the fence that I showed you and they were there were two lights they would sit there on the ground and apparently.

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People would come at there were people at the base of these objects with flashlights kind of looking them over they'd walk away and the lights would rise up in the air.

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They would kind of stay up in the air maybe move around a little bit left and right and then come straight back down.

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Benowitz started filming these things wondering what the hell they were and thinking that they were some sort of UFOs that the Air Force should know about which seems kind of weird since the air for somebody human eye toy human eye type people were standing there on the base with flashlights looking at them.

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Oh, I just put that in this therefile optical range is right there and.

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I mark that because that's a medical research facility where very strange experiments used to go on with the giving people with terminal cancer.

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The therapies to see if it would help they would actually sign a thing saying if I die it's okay, but if this works great.

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I you know you can see ads for them all around town, but they have this secret research facility here on currently air force base where they don't have to have anybody looking at them are asking funny questions.

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Well, Beno, what's with seeing strange things going up and down in the in that area there in front of his house in front of the nuclear weapon storage.

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But the air force had its own problems strangely enough, coyote canyon is the area actually back in here.

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So Albuquerque is up here there's a big mountain here you can't see anything back here and there's a bunch of entrances to the underground area is all back around here.

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I drove on the road up to about this point and actually could see some of them over here you can't see the roads though they're tilted upwards like this so you can't see the road.

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So what happened on August 8 and then again on the 11th was some guards, sandy lab guards were out on patrol around the nuclear storage facility and they saw these objects come flying in and one of them landed on the ground.

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One of the yeah you can read that if you want one of the security guards went up to this landed object and found out as radio wasn't working and then kind of I think he had a shotgun and drew the shotgun and asked who was there.

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And first he thought it was a helicopter but then when he got closer you realized it wasn't it was kind of an oval very brightly glowing object so as he walked up to it he said it shot up in the air and took off.

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I don't know if Ben and what saw this you know I don't know if he talked about it but the air force was certainly interested and they had.

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Somebody who will be important in our story later Richard Doty go out and talk to these people and find out what was going on Richard Doty was a.

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Officer and a was he an officer at that point I think he was sergeant.

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With the Air Force Office of Special Investigations which is basically the Air Force's police force or FBI.

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So he investigated this they could not explain it at least as far as this release document says.

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From the descriptions I figured out that the UFO came in actually over highway 10 which is right up here.

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The interstate 10 goes along right here came in over that came in kind of made a turn and landed over here where there's a there's a little shack of some sort.

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Another weird thing that happened very soon after on August 13 is all the radar went out in Albuquerque for four hours the civilian radar the military radar everything is shut off.

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And they had to get people they had to guide people in just by you know radio and you know where the pilots thought they were it was it was a big mess.

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But nobody could find out who was jamming the radar they called up the sandy elab as they said they weren't doing it.

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They called up the other people on the base no we aren't doing it and they never found out who was jamming the radar and then suddenly it's.

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PM all radar equipment returned in normal without for their incident actually a bill more went to the Albuquerque international airport said can I see your log book to see this actually happened it's not just some disinformation they can sure enough it said radar out.

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No explanation calling so and so then suddenly a 10 16 radar back on again.

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So actually really did happen and nobody ever admitted to doing jamming everybody's radar almost certainly was somebody testing something to see if they could shut off enemy radar by turning on some device that would do this.

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But to admit to it would be it would give people a hint is to who was doing it and where it was coming from and secrecy in military in the military and in intelligence is is pathological as you know.

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I said that then what's seen these objects floating up in front of his house basically when everybody else is asleep.

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In this area right here there were usually two objects like one here and one here very close to each other they kind of rise up like this maybe move around a little bit and come back down both of them at the same time.

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I like they were connected by a string.

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I did not describe this way in the book because I didn't know it then people called me and contacting me after the book because suddenly they realized I was serious about writing the book I said oh I thought you are crazy I didn't want to deal with you.

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But a lot of useful stuff came out after the book which you are going to be the recipient of as I go through these slides and this story yes already showed you that why is that still in there.

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Well I was told later that possibly some of these things were unmanned aerial vehicles use for surveillance operations which is possible I suppose.

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Except nobody knew about these things in 1979 and 1980 we just kind of learned about the maybe in the early to mid 90s.

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This is one you've probably seen.

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And it would match the movements of the I thought they were darting around and doing all these things no they would just go up and come back down.

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So maybe that's what they were doing and I've suggested that to a couple intelligence people and they one of them who knew what was going on said you know maybe.

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And kind of smiled and another one said yeah that's probably what it was so I'm willing to assume that they were testing unmanned aerial vehicles.

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If you go and type you a v unmanned aerial vehicle in Google all the stuff will come up it's really available now.

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There's a very strange one I just like the look of it and I was just thinking how the hell does that thing work it flies.

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It's a couple of counter rotating helicopter blades.

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However that's a picture of what Beno it's a blow up of one of his movie frames and he's this is not a lens aberration there actually was a blue glow on the bottom of them.

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I don't know why something being run by a internal combustion engine gasoline motor would blow glow blue on the bottom so there's a disconnect here between.

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Somebody telling me they were unmanned aerial aerial vehicles as you know the kind that we're used to seeing and something that rises up off the ground with a blue glow underneath and he said the blue glow would come on as they would it would start glowing blue and they would go up in the air.

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They were unmanned aerial vehicles but of a different type.

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There's a picture Beno it's took in the early 1980s remember PSA used to have these planes this color that's a Pacific Southwest Airlines plane coming into Albuquerque and I don't know what that thing is.

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It might be one of those unmanned aerial vehicles what the hell is it doing flying in the middle of the day.

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Apparently I've heard that he didn't see this when he took the picture which is is is another thing it's another issue maybe you can only see it at a thousandth of a second or whatever you took the picture at.

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And to the naked eye it's just not there I do not know I put that one up on Amazon just to to the late people in the buying the book.

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Another thing that was going on at the time which is what you a lot of people probably know about this case the cash lander in case from Texas.

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Of December 1980 when I was talking about unmanned aerial vehicles and anti-gravity.

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I think it was Doty brought up the fact that yes they were testing those kind of things in the cash lander and things was incident wasn't an example of one of those.

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It was powered by a nuclear rocket when it was close to the ground or in trouble and used anti-gravity technology when it was actually flying and when these women saw this it was actually.

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It was experiencing some problems and shot these flames out the bottom one of the women actually later died from cancer because of the radiation from it and they tried to sue the air force and.

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It did not work out and I won't go into that but.

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I'm willing to and actually if you know this story as they sat there watching this thing a bunch of helicopters came in I think it was 23 helicopters came in that they counted and kind of surrounded it and shepherded it off in the distance until it seemed to get it's equilibrium back and then.

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I think it was a very interesting thing to look at.

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I think it was a very interesting thing to look at.

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I think it was a very interesting thing to look at.

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I think it was a very interesting thing to look at.

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I think it was a very interesting thing to look at.

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I think it was a very interesting thing to look at.

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I think it was a very interesting thing to look at.

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I think it was a very interesting thing to look at.

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I don't think I'm in the history of you, followed you, there's ever been a craft that flew with rockets and with apparently anti gravity I could be wrong.

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The reason why I'm talking about cattle mutilation stuff.

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Benowitz had become interested in cattle mutilations in the mid 70s when it became basically an epidemic in the Midwest and the southwest.

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And this was happening in the del Cieria where Gabe Veldez, who I mentioned earlier, was the Diane charge.

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He was basically the officer for that area.

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And particularly in an area that I will talk about.

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And there's the the the mutilated the obligatory mutilated cow picture.

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Anyway, that's Gabe Veldez back when he was investigating these things.

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He, there was a cattle mutilation conference.

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This problem with cattle being found dead from mysterious circumstances that ranchers were getting very irritated and upset.

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In 1979, can be in by the state government.

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That's actually a picture of Gabe now.

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This is from about four or five months ago when I was in Albuquerque.

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He was being interviewed for documentary, which apparently is dead now and is never going to be shown.

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I gave this talk at the UFO crash retrieval conference.

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And there were some cattle mutilation researcher people in the audience.

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And I mentioned that when Gabe Veldez went out to look in the fields to, you know, look around the cattle and all that he found things like this.

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He showed me his scrapbook from the time.

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They found gas masks.

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It looked like radar a chef.

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You know what that is?

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It's thrown out of the back of planes to confuse radar when you've got a missile tracking on you.

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If you throw out a bunch of pieces of metal, it creates this cloud.

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And hopefully the missile will say, oh, that's what I'm tracking.

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We'll go chase the cloud of strips of metal and not your plane.

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But this is, he said he found just piles of this, not piles, but spread all over the ground around one of the cattle mutilation sites.

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Like they had whatever device used to eject them, hadn't quite pushed all the radar chat out.

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They also found some of that stuff in the cow's mouth, which is a very strange thing.

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And if this is happening, and at least some of the cases, I tend to wonder if it's aliens doing all this.

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And there's been a lot of speculation and even a report issued by Gabe Veldez, with money from the Robert Bigelow Foundation people.

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And that's the conclusion he came to after studying this for since the mid 70s was that there's very little evidence that there's something extra stress,

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drill doing it.

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And a lot of evidence that there's somebody trying to cover up something and having to do with cattle diseases.

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I could be wrong.

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But that's what I tend to think.

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And if there are any extra stress deals mutilating cattle, it's probably in the minority of cases.

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And there's other cattle mutilation researches that I won't mention right now that pretty much agree with that assessment.

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But you know what?

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It doesn't answer everything.

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There's things about the cattle mutilations that you wouldn't think humans would be able to do, which leaves the question open.

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The AOLFOSI is the Air Force Office of Special Investigations, like I said, basically the Air Force's police force.

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Beno, it's called up the Air Force and said there's these strange lights over. He was basically thought of himself as a patriotic guy. He was in the coast guard during World War II.

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He called up the Air Force and he said, hey guys, there's something going on here at the base. There's these lights going up and down.

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There's this woman that said that she went to an underground facility and you know, if you don't don't know about that probably you should.

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And the other thing he was doing is he since he was such a good electronics expert he had set up a very large array of antennas and recording women and a pointed at them right at the base and started recording these strange signals.

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It seemed like some kind of code.

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And he told them about that too.

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And of course the Air Force was very interested in somebody that was looking at all these in the direction of all these secret projects going on at the base, which I have described some.

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They put him in touch with this guy Richard Dodie some of you may know about him and.

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Dodie talked to him on the phone and actually went over to thunder scientific and talk to him for a few minutes and said, you know, what do you got.

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Beno, it's basically described what he's seeing what I just told you and Dodie figured, well, this is important enough. Let's pay a visit to his house. Is it okay with you?

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I don't know if we come to your house he said, sure fine, I'm going to bring somebody along.

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So on October 24th, 1980, I don't know when this report was written probably the yeah, the 28th or days after.

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It says doctor Paul Frederick Beno, which is very strange because he didn't have a doctor at anything.

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I don't know what that's supposed to mean. Maybe it's in an accuracy. Maybe it's a plausible the liability thing. I do not know.

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You know, where you can say what we call them doctor. So obviously this is a false document because he wasn't a doctor.

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But Richard Dodie with the assistance of Jerry Miller who I do not do not name in the book because he did not not want himself named, but this is a lecture. So I guess it's okay.

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And plus I've done it in other lectures and Jerry has not called me and gotten irritated yet.

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Don't worry, you can't find him. He's very difficult to find. He was a physicist working with the Air Force weapons lab.

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And obviously another another group and facility at Curtland Air Force Base developing what else weapons weapons systems.

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Jerry Miller had been interested in UFO subject for quite a long time.

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In fact, he talked apparently he had been an associate for a while of Dr. Heinich when he was working at Wright Patterson Air Force Base.

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They knew each other. So Jerry had a heavy interest in UFO subject and Dodie knew this and said why don't you come over and see what's going on with Paul here.

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Maybe we can find out. He produced Benowitz produced photographs in 2600 feet of 8 millimeter picture film depicting unidentified aerial objects flying over and around Monsonow weapon storage area and coyote Canyon test site area.

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Dr. Benowitz has been conducting independent research into aerial phenomena for the last 15 months. He's also produced several electromagnetic recording tapes showing high periods of electromagneticism.

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So basically they went to his house, looked at his setup, tried to see what was going on.

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See how serious he was and how good he was at what he was doing. Is there any cause for alarm here suspicion?

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And they took it one step further while Jerry Miller engaged Paul Benowitz in conversation. He took a camera kind of a little spy camera and was taking pictures of all his pictures and his equipment and everything to take back and show his superiors at the base. That's not in the report.

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Mr. Miller's contacted foreign technology.

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Desk or division. Ftd.

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Yeah, foreign technologies division personnel at Wright Patterson Air Force Base who expressed an interest in our schedule to inspect Dr. Benowitz's data.

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I've never seen anything from Wright Patterson saying that they inspected his data but they probably did.

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And all of you know who the foreign technology people at Wright Patterson were right. They were the ones that were handed to UFO stuff for many, many, many years.

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That changed I believe in the mid to early to mid 80s. And it's transferred to Fort Belvoir in Virginia and we'll talk about that as well.

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DCI, DCI, I, is that what that is? That's a background check. They're going to check out his who he knows who his friends are where he was born, what everything about him.

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And response to the HQCR44 that was code for anything to do with nuclear material because a lot of stuff he was looking at was right around Monsano.

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That makes a lot of sense.

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Oh, then on November 10th very soon after that they figured that what Benowitz was doing was important enough that he could come down to the base and give a presentation about what he was seeing.

352
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What are you seeing over there? Paul, what can you show us? He showed him his films. He showed him his pictures. He showed him his recordings described as equipment.

353
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He was very open with them. I was told that this meeting, an NSA guy that had talked to somebody who had been at this meeting, there are about 15 people in the room when Benowitz started his presentation in about two or three when he was done.

354
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Obviously these people from different areas of the base said this has nothing to do with what we're doing so we're not interested in the left.

355
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But two or three people said, you know, thought yes, this is relevant to what we're doing. We have to keep an eye on this guy because we don't want any more of this information getting out.

356
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Who is Paul Benowitz talking to? Who does he know? Is he inadvertently letting out information that he shouldn't?

357
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They wanted to find this out.

358
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And it's interesting to note that Doty received a phone call from an individual who identified himself as UNS Senator Harris and Schmidt.

359
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Paul Benowitz had been writing letters to Harrison Schmidt and Pete Domenici, the US senators from New Mexico and his congressman and the media. Everybody alerting to them what was going on.

360
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This also made the Air Force and the NSA and San D'Alab and the Air Force weapons lab, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

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The service.

362
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And so the funny thing is that later they had to explain to the powers that be why this guy was doing this with the Air Force's sanction which we will get into.

363
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Now I can talk about Bill Moore and his story.

364
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How much time have I used? Everybody's still here? Everybody's still awake? Is this interesting? Have I been unclear on anything?

365
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Is anything you want to shoot your hand up and ask a very quick question if I've been unclear, please do. And then of course, I have questions afterwards.

366
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Bill Moore was a UFO researcher. He actually wrote the first book on the Roswell incident called the Roswell incident with Charles Berlitz came out in 1980.

367
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While he was on a book tour for Roswell incident publicity, he went to different radio stations, of course, did interviews.

368
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And one of the radio stations, he went out in the lobby and they said, there's a phone call for you, Mr. Moore, and he picked up the phone. Who is this? Is this Bill Moore? Yes.

369
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We think you're the only one that knows what they're talking about. And Bill said, who is this?

370
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You said, do you have time to meet with us and Bill said, no, I'm leaving now. I've got to go to Albuquerque. So he went to Albuquerque when did a radio show? Same thing.

371
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:36,000
Another call for you. We think you're the only person that knows what they're talking about. Bill said, okay. So what do you want? Do you have time to meet us while you're here in Albuquerque?

372
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Yeah, sure. So the next day they went to a restaurant.

373
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It's actually a fun and interesting story. The guy said, I will be wearing a red tie. So Bill Moore got there early.

374
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:54,000
I think the meeting was at three o'clock or something. You get there at 10 to three. And he sat in a car across the street from the restaurant.

375
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And he said, while he was looking at the restaurant this way, through the driver's side window here to tapping on the side. And he looked and he said, he sees a red tie hanging down in front of a white shirt.

376
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:15,000
Bill opens the window up and the guy says, I think we're here to have a meeting. So they were watching him while he was trying to watch them from the very first.

377
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:25,000
That's Bill in a picture taken about two years ago. I don't know where he got that T shirt, but that's a picture he wanted me to use.

378
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:37,000
What had happened, the reason they had gotten in touch with Moore is the previous to this previous to him getting contacted there on the radio station.

379
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:46,000
The Air Force had realized that they wanted to start fishing the UFO research community for people who might be cooperative.

380
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The reason they wanted to do this is what I've just mentioned because they wanted to know who knew what.

381
00:44:52,000 --> 00:45:00,000
And a lot of UFO sightings occur over and near military bases for some strange reason.

382
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:06,000
Many books have been written about why this happens or who's building them where they come from, et cetera.

383
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:10,000
But the fact remains that a lot of military bases seem to attract UFO sightings.

384
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So they also seem to attract UFO enthusiasts and researchers and you follow just who stand there with cameras taking pictures of these UFOs.

385
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:24,000
And some of them are not UFOs and the Air Force would rather people not know about them.

386
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:29,000
Sometimes for legitimate reasons other times not.

387
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What the Air Force did basically for a fishing expedition sent out this letter from somebody claiming his name was Craig Weitzel received by APRO July 1980.

388
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:48,000
Anonymous government interference in MIB.

389
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:53,000
What you've probably been not listening to me in reading this whole letter.

390
00:45:53,000 --> 00:46:01,000
What he basically said was that he had been on a patrol in New Mexico and they had seen a UFO that had landed and taken pictures of it.

391
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And then somebody came the next day took his pictures and basically a classic man in black story took his pictures away from him and said not to talk about it.

392
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:12,000
A guy dressed all in black that looked like a civilian.

393
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:19,000
There were also things in the letter like the US Air Force as a crashed UFO stored in Monsano storage area.

394
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I've spoke with two employees of San Diego laboratories who also store classified objects.

395
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:28,000
In Monsano, tell me that San Diego has examined several UFOs during the last 20 years.

396
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:34,000
One that crashed no Roswell in New Mexico in the late 50s examined by San Diego scientists.

397
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And the obligatory thing that gets UFO research groups very excited.

398
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:50,000
OSI, which is Office of Special Investigations, AFOSI is conducting a very secret investigation into UFO sightings.

399
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:54,000
So they handed this letter to Bill Moore.

400
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Bill Moore located Craig Weitzel and said, did you send this letter?

401
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,000
And Weitzel said no.

402
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,000
I don't know who sent that letter.

403
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:05,000
I did see a UFO, but it was way up in the air.

404
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:06,000
Nobody got near it.

405
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,000
Nobody took any pictures and I wasn't, excuse me.

406
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:11,000
I wasn't visited by anybody telling me to shut up.

407
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:14,000
And you're the only person that's called me and asked this.

408
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:19,000
This letter was sent out to six or eight or ten different UFO investigators groups, etc.

409
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:23,000
But Bill Moore apparently was the only one as far as I know that located him and asked him.

410
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:26,000
At least up to that point if this had actually happened.

411
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,000
And it hadn't.

412
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So they ignored it.

413
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:33,000
Apparently, other UFO groups did as well.

414
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I don't know whatever.

415
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:38,000
I don't know who else got this letter and what they did with it.

416
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:43,000
I was going to change the order of this.

417
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:51,000
Anyway, I will get to this in a second because I have to back around it.

418
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:59,000
So after the phone call in the radio station and the meeting at the meeting,

419
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:02,000
Bill Moore met two people.

420
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:07,000
One this old guy in his probably late 60s or early 70s and Richard Dodie.

421
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:17,000
They both sat there and said, we're trying to find people who will cooperate with us to keep kind of keep tabs on the UFO field.

422
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,000
Tell us what's going on.

423
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:20,000
Tell us who believes what?

424
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:21,000
Who's looking at what?

425
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:24,000
Because they wanted to find out if there was there from their point of view.

426
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:28,000
If there was any security problems with anything that UFO researchers were looking into.

427
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:32,000
If you want to be suspicious, you can also say they wanted to find out what the

428
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:36,000
civilians knew about UFO subjects, which seems kind of silly.

429
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,000
Completely turns it on its head.

430
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:43,000
It sounds like the UFO community is hiding what it knows from the US government.

431
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:51,000
So I tend to believe it's because it was for intelligence purposes to find out who knew what and what they might be looking into and what they might get hints about.

432
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:54,000
Because there are people or there were.

433
00:48:55,000 --> 00:49:01,000
There might still be that that from foreign governments that hang around the UFO community and ask questions,

434
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:11,000
pretending to be UFO researchers, but they're trying to they're doing data mining to find out what the United States might be developing in the way of new technology and.

435
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:16,000
And airframes, maybe even anti-gravity secret weapons, things like that.

436
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:22,000
If there's a bunch of people hanging around an air force base or military facility taking pictures and watching what's going on for UFOs,

437
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:26,000
there's probably plenty of hints if you talk to them in the right way about what might be going on there.

438
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:30,000
And might make sense in light of the other information you're getting.

439
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:36,000
It's just one little piece of information that these people get so they can.

440
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:41,000
Undermind United States development in these areas.

441
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:45,000
So, more.

442
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:50,000
Consider the prospect and said I'll get back to you.

443
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:56,000
They arranged another meeting and when they got to that meeting they handed them another document.

444
00:49:56,000 --> 00:50:00,000
Which I will describe later for him to check out.

445
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:06,000
So, what he did actually was agree to this this bargain and he said, what am I going to get in return?

446
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:11,000
They said, you will get information and documents that know other UFO researchers has ever gotten.

447
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,000
We will release them to you.

448
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:16,000
All you have to do is keep an eye on people and tell us what they're doing.

449
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:22,000
They actually gave them spy training how to follow people, how to lose a tail, all these other things.

450
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,000
Nothing really high level.

451
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:29,000
He didn't get little spy cameras and everything but he did learn how to keep an eye out for people.

452
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:30,000
And I noticed this being with him.

453
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:35,000
He'll notice things that most people would never even never even cross their mind and notice.

454
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Because one is observant and two you have the training.

455
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:42,000
By 1989 these these contacts had died off.

456
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:45,000
He'd gotten a lot of documents which I will talk about.

457
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:52,000
And he figured since everything had died off and he never made a promise to anybody not to talk about it.

458
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:55,000
He figured he talked about it and tell you if I'll come in what had been happening.

459
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:59,000
Because other UFO researchers were also involved in this.

460
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:02,000
Of course there's no way to prove it because I've never said anything about it.

461
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:06,000
But it stands to reason at least two or three or four whatever other people said, sure.

462
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:12,000
Give me what you've got and I will report on what you want.

463
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:16,000
By 1989 he figured these contacts had died out.

464
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:17,000
So he was going to talk about it.

465
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,000
And now it's just to the UFO community.

466
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:23,000
So in 1989 on June 30th July first and say I think it was the last night.

467
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,000
Sunday night July 2nd.

468
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,000
Bill Moore was the last speaker.

469
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:32,000
It was the international international UFO conference for Mufon.

470
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:37,000
In Vegas he came up on the stage and he had not told anybody what he was going to talk about.

471
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:42,000
And he had not submitted his talk to the committee.

472
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:48,000
Everybody knew was going to be something big and there were rumors flying rampant.

473
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:53,000
That's actually the sheet that he read off of when he made the speech.

474
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:59,000
What happened was he told everybody what had happened, who had he had been talking to and what had happened to Paul Benowitz.

475
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:03,000
And two minutes into the speech people started yelling.

476
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:07,000
And then they started standing up and then they had to stop the speech.

477
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:11,000
And then they had to stop it again through four more times.

478
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,000
In salts were flying.

479
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,000
I saw somebody running out crying.

480
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:16,000
It was very dramatic.

481
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,000
And people asked me why did you get interested in this case.

482
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:22,000
Because I was there and I wondered why are people so excited about this?

483
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:26,000
How could you get so excited about something that just seems like a very interesting spy story?

484
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,000
It's because they felt betrayed.

485
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:31,000
And in some ways they were.

486
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:36,000
But they also got a lot of information that they never would have gotten because more didn't just sit on the stuff.

487
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,000
He checked it out for a while and then he released it.

488
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:41,000
I asked him about this later.

489
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:47,000
Like he this he quote, these shows little cross outs and things about how he changed it before he was going to give the talk.

490
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:48,000
Friends and enemies.

491
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,000
Friends and adversaries.

492
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:54,000
I asked him if you would have had the talk to do over again.

493
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:56,000
What would you have done anything different?

494
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:59,000
He said I think I would have been a little bit more humble.

495
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,000
I said why do you think that now?

496
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:03,000
Why were you there?

497
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:04,000
Why did you?

498
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:05,000
Why weren't you humble?

499
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:07,000
Why are you so arrogant?

500
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:12,000
He said because I was tired of people throwing accusations my way about things which they knew nothing.

501
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:15,000
And look to look at it from his point of view.

502
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:18,000
A lot of us would probably have done the same thing.

503
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:20,000
I find this very interesting.

504
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,000
I found this on one of the pages.

505
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:25,000
I believe we are very near to getting these answers.

506
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:26,000
We all claim to one.

507
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,000
I think you speak in the ufologists here.

508
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:31,000
If the nature of these answers turns out to be such that they will change our world.

509
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:34,000
I need not point out the individual lives will be changed as well.

510
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:37,000
I asked him why he crossed that out and he said I don't know.

511
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,000
I don't even remember why he crossed that out.

512
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:44,000
But it's very strange and light of the disclosure stuff now about right around the corner.

513
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:47,000
Everything will be revealed by the government.

514
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:52,000
I further asked Bill I said well maybe it's because you didn't think anything was going to be revealed.

515
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:56,000
Because it comes up every few years everything is going to be revealed.

516
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:58,000
The government is going to give us everything.

517
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:00,000
Then of course nothing happens.

518
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,000
I hope it happens someday.

519
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,000
I do not know what the government knows.

520
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,000
I think they know far less than we think they do.

521
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:10,000
And they probably know things that don't make sense in light of what we think it's supposed to be.

522
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:12,000
That's just my personal opinion though.

523
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:15,000
And that's why it probably won't be released anytime soon.

524
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:20,000
Because it would probably show that they're not as much power as we think they are.

525
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:30,000
And they might have something learned from us from people that look at it from our point of view.

526
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:34,000
I just showed this to show that he did describe what was going on with Paul Benowitz.

527
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:35,000
I think this is up online.

528
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,000
You might be able to find it somewhere.

529
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:43,000
There's a little bit about Jalen Heinick in here.

530
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:44,000
Which is very interesting.

531
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:47,000
I don't know if he's talking about it here.

532
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:49,000
Where does it say Jalen Heinick?

533
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:50,000
Somebody see it.

534
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,000
Oh, here it is.

535
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:54,000
I examine a computer program.

536
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:58,000
Paul was using decode the alleged alien alien radio transmissions and communications.

537
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:01,000
I had a lengthy discussion about this matter with the late doctor.

538
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:02,000
Ellen Heinick.

539
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:05,000
Who would also independently examine Paul's program.

540
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:11,000
You know what's funny is Paul had these was receiving these weird transmissions.

541
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:14,000
And he was sort of kind of trying to decode them.

542
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:19,000
He was actually getting somewhere because all you have to do is pick out words like Anne, the technology,

543
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:24,000
plane or whatever and see how many things come up and patterns start to emerge.

544
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:32,000
But it took the NSA apparently who was developing this radio this communication system years and hundreds of man hours and

545
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:34,000
who knows how much money to develop the system.

546
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:38,000
And here this guy was sitting on his porch with a bunch of dish antennas figuring out what started and

547
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:40,000
figure out what they said.

548
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:47,000
So what the Air Force did was they sent him a computer program for him to use because he had to build his own computer right

549
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:48,000
the on his all is software.

550
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,000
This was 1979, 1989.

551
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:54,000
There were no personal computers and if they were they weren't going to do what he wanted them to do.

552
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:58,000
But he was smart enough to figure out how to build a computer and program to start decoding these transmissions.

553
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:00,000
The Air Force said why don't we help you out?

554
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:04,000
And since he was completely in their trust at that point he said, yeah sure.

555
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:08,000
And they delivered him a computer and that did the translations for him.

556
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:12,000
But of course it translated exactly what the Air Force wanted him to see.

557
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:18,000
And when I asked around who had delivered this program, does anybody remember Bill said.

558
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:24,000
I haven't talked about this before, but Jay Allen Heineck told me he was the one that delivered it.

559
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:27,000
And I said why would Heineck do such a thing?

560
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:31,000
And he said because he was still on the payroll, he was an Air Force consultant.

561
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:33,000
He was actually still on their payroll.

562
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:37,000
It has nothing to do with his UFO research.

563
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:41,000
That was sincere research, but he was also being paid to be an Air Force consultant.

564
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:45,000
He got four or five thousand dollars a year still at that point.

565
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:50,000
Because this sounded very strange, I called up Center for UFO studies.

566
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:54,000
The organization founded by Heineck now run by I think Mark Rodiger.

567
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:57,000
I called up an email from Mark Rodiger.

568
00:56:57,000 --> 00:57:00,000
I said do you have anything on Benowitz from Dr. Heineck's files?

569
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,000
He said I think we do let me take a look.

570
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:06,000
I asked him three more times or about six or eight months period and then ever came up with anything.

571
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:08,000
Or they want to ignore me. I don't know what.

572
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:12,000
I'd very much like to find out if it was Heineck that actually delivered that program.

573
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:16,000
Because it throws a little bit different light on what was going on within that time.

574
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:18,000
Does not denigrate as a research in the least.

575
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:27,000
I think because he was one of the first people to try to use science to find out with the UFO subject was and what it was causing it.

576
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:32,000
But I'm also surprised more people didn't get all Ben out of shape when I mentioned that in the book.

577
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:34,000
Nobody has ever said anything about it.

578
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:36,000
How could I not do such a thing?

579
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:43,000
So what I said was build more got things in return for his cooperation.

580
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:49,000
One of the things he got, the very first thing which I thought I was going to mention is something called the Silver Sky Memo.

581
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:55,000
Now it is. It's not very well known because it never amounted anything and I will tell you why.

582
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:59,000
The second meeting with Falcon and Doty Bill more walked in the restaurant always in a restaurant.

583
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:09,000
You know what it's funny is I met with these intelligence people and they always want to meet in a restaurant and they always want to sit in the corner table and make sure there's two or three tables on either side where nobody is sitting so that they can talk to you privately.

584
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:11,000
Nobody else can hear it's like a habit.

585
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:14,000
Somebody says, I want to talk to you.

586
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:16,000
I said, okay.

587
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:21,000
He says, let's meet at this restaurant. I go there and I show up and the guy sitting in the corner by himself.

588
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:23,000
Time after time after time after time.

589
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:27,000
Motor's opera and is kind of interesting and funny.

590
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:31,000
They met at the restaurant and Bill said, so what are you going to give me?

591
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:36,000
And they slid this middle end and envelope across the tablecloth to him and said, take a look at this.

592
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:39,000
Not right now. Just take a look at it when you leave.

593
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:42,000
So Bill more open the thing up. There's one sheet of paper in there.

594
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:50,000
And what it described was a multiple witness sighting in the mid 1960s, mid to late 60s over southern New Mexico.

595
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:55,000
Including the area of Roswell.

596
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:58,000
So more took the paper.

597
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:02,000
He looked up the people. He actually went to these towns and went to the post offices.

598
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:06,000
Good place to start. Where do these people live? Do they live here? Can I talk to them?

599
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:14,000
And every post office, every town he went to, they either said that person's never lived here or they moved away ten years before this supposed to have happened.

600
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:21,000
So the next meeting more came back and said, what kind of deal am I in on here? You gave me a document that's full of junk.

601
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:28,000
That this never happened. And he said he remembered the sky falcon, the intelligence guy. They called falcon.

602
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:32,000
And Doty both smiled and said, you passed the test.

603
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:40,000
He said, what test? We wanted to make sure that you did things in a methodical manner and didn't just go off screaming and yelling.

604
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:47,000
Because when they give something to you, they want you to be controlled about how you deal with it, how you release it.

605
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:53,000
Not because if you sound crazy, the stuff that they give to you is going to be considered to be coming from a crazy person.

606
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:56,000
And they wanted him to sound legitimate.

607
00:59:56,000 --> 01:00:00:02,000
So they actually weren't trying to make him look bad, at least not in an obvious way.

608
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:20,000
So one of the things he got, which everybody is aware of, and his very famous now, was the MJ-12 Eisenhower briefing document, which was mailed in a two different envelopes, one inside of the other two Jamie Shanderrae's apartment house in Glendale in 1984.

609
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:25,000
It was on a piece of 35 millimeter film. They had to develop the film and then print these off the film.

610
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:32,000
These weren't the pages. They were pictures of the pages. So you couldn't actually tell if the paper was old or what.

611
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:36,000
I'm sure everybody in this room just about sort of the MJ-12 documents.

612
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:45,000
But this is the thing that started off, and it was directly related to his agreement with the Air Force that he would watch people and he exchange he got documents.

613
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:47,000
That's where this came from.

614
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:51,000
That's just another page of it.

615
01:00:51,000 --> 01:01:11,000
Stanton Friedman obviously has done all kinds of research on these people finding out who they were, what their lives were like, and if they could possibly been a member of something like MJ-12, which supposedly a group could be invite to President Truman in 1947 to control UFO information, how it was released to the public.

616
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:24,000
And the debate is rage back and forth. I spoke in front of Bob Wood, who's the main researcher with his son Ryan, who will be here next time on the MJ-12 documents and the further documents they have gotten since then.

617
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:32,000
And somebody asked me, do you think there was an MJ-12? And I said, from what I've seen there was one, but I'm not sure if it was involved with the UFO subject.

618
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:40,000
I said, I'm sure Bob Wood completely have a different opinion. So, you know, there's a lot of things that I may need to look at to change my opinion.

619
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:45,000
I'm perfectly willing to change my opinion, and that keeps you from going crazy.

620
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:54,000
Another one of the things he's gotten, which nobody has ever seen, and it hasn't been released at all, was a very strange thing he received in 1984, which was a map of Area 51.

621
01:01:54,000 --> 01:02:10,000
Nobody even knew about this in 1984. The first mention of it in the public was in the early 90s. I think that Billy Goodman radio show, where they started talking about Bob Lizard, Area 51, and all the stuff that has become legend.

622
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:23,000
But no more was handed this map in 1984 on a big folded up piece of paper that was made up of eight or nine different sheets of photocopied paper taped together.

623
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:40,000
The weird thing about this is that somebody on this map had wrote in something showing these little areas in wrote S4 area, a saucer Mesa radio active area and groom Lake facility, and Nellis Air Force Range.

624
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:53,000
The mailbox wrote everything is over here, and Rachel Nevada is up here. Anyway, this was in 1984, and nobody knew or cared about this area before it had become famous.

625
01:02:53,000 --> 01:03:07,000
Actually, this turned out to be right. There is an area where they dump radioactive and chemical waste, and people working at Area 51 actually sued the government because they had gotten sick from being exposed to that stuff.

626
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:14,000
He asked what the saucer Mesa thing was, and they said, well, that's where they have things hidden in the mountain. They fly them out of the mountain there.

627
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:21,000
Alien technology. I asked if you ever checked up on this and Bill said, no, there was really no way for me to check up on it.

628
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:35,000
So I just left it alone. I thought the other documents I got were there were names, places, people, dates. We're a lot easier to check on than this. I can't get in there and check on that stuff. It's a secret base.

629
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:44,000
So because Paul Benowitz was looking at current land air force base, looking at all these, do we have take breaks during these?

630
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:48,000
Okay, is it okay? Is everybody alright?

631
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:53,000
I need a drink. I need a drink.

632
01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:56,000
There we go.

633
01:03:57,000 --> 01:04:07,000
Because Paul Benowitz was looking at the air force base at current land, all these projects, listening to these transmissions, taking pictures of what was going on.

634
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:13,000
And convinced that it had something you do with aliens invading.

635
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:23,000
Part of this was his idea and part of it was the air forces. You know what? There's a very strange thing. There's a very obvious question. Why did they not just tell Paul to cut it out?

636
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:30,000
There actually somebody wrote a review of the book and said, nobody, he never explains in the book, why Paul Benowitz is not just told to cut it out.

637
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:44,000
I actually explained it in three different areas of the book in different ways, directly. And the reason was was that they could find out a lot more about security breaches by keeping them on the line than just telling them to shut up.

638
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:53,000
You know, we've suddenly found this guy that not only sees what's going on the base, but he's decoding transmissions out of the base.

639
01:04:53,000 --> 01:05:02,000
He's another weird thing is Murnahance and apparently when she was regressed, described one of the facilities in the Murnahance story area exactly.

640
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:08,000
There was no way that woman could have ever gotten in there, so that made them very nervous too.

641
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:14,000
I know what to get it or figure out. Like I said, how she knew that. And so they wanted to keep an eye on Benowitz.

642
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:20,000
They didn't think that she had been psychic or remote viewed it or whatever. Maybe she did inadvertently.

643
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:26,000
But that was not something anybody outside of that that worked in that area had the clearance, had there any right to know.

644
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:34,000
So they wanted to keep Benowitz's keep his trust, keep him doing what he was doing, sort of control what he was doing,

645
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:43,000
but also find out how he was doing it, who he was talking to and who was paying attention to him, whether he was talking to them or not.

646
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:47,000
Because this was right in the middle of the Cold War.

647
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:54,000
And they wanted to know who was talking to and how this how information was getting out of the United States, especially from current land.

648
01:05:54,000 --> 01:06:06,000
So when Murnahance had been regressed, she said that the underground facility that she had gone to, she had a feeling it was in the upper north eastern corner of New Mexico near Dulce.

649
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:16,000
So Paul Benowitz became convinced there was an underground base here and the Air Force said, perfect, all right.

650
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:24,000
This is from the, this is a translation of the messages that were coming through the computer that the Air Force gave him.

651
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:31,000
And this was printed out on a dot matrix printer and is, you know, that people used to print out on those long sheets of paper or the holes on the side.

652
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:37,000
He printed out all these messages, which sound like complete gibberish, but they made complete sense to Paul Benowitz.

653
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:47,000
And he was a little marks he made here as reference points so that he could refer to them because these things went on for hundreds of hundreds of pages.

654
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:59,000
He just sat there recording and everything that came out of that, that transmission was decoded in a way, but the Air Force wanted which looked like this.

655
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:06,000
We're not separate victory, grow we have no obligation to keep secret now oxygen.

656
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:12,000
Once in a while this U jump would come in for some reason and he had an idea about what that is, but I haven't been able to figure out what it is.

657
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:22,000
He thought it was some sort of marker during the transmission, which it probably was, but not about aliens.

658
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:26,000
Anyway, what does it say?

659
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:31,000
Have many on your side, universe will contact you in unique way water intake.

660
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:36,000
We will tell you now listen, nine may hate you because no distance in kilometer is.

661
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:44,000
Basically it was, they were trying to get him to think that the aliens were, had contacted him when we're talking to him and we're giving him information.

662
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:50,000
So it was a closed loop. He'd say the aliens said this and of course the Air Force knew what the aliens were saying to him because they, they wrote it.

663
01:07:53,000 --> 01:08:02,000
Up above Delcy is a very large mountain that's has a flat top of Mesa called Archoleta Mesa, which some of you have heard of, I'm sure.

664
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:07,000
That's a picture of it from down near the Delcy area.

665
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:12,000
What are all those sparklies? That's nice.

666
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:29,000
That was led to believe was that there was an underground base under this Mesa and that the aliens were using this base as their, as their main place of operations to take over the planet.

667
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:41,000
And abduct people and have abduction rights and exchange for technology. All the things that we know from UFO, lower over the last 20 years or so.

668
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:56,000
Nobody had heard of any of this before Benowitz. Suddenly it all crops up when Benowitz is there and it's basically based on a disinformation campaign against him, which makes me wonder about all these stories.

669
01:08:56,000 --> 01:09:00,000
The unique thing about Archoleta Mesa is it's very hard to get to.

670
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:04,000
It's a perfect area to try and hide something, especially if you didn't want anybody looking around.

671
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:10,000
One, it's very hard to get to and to it's on the Hickorya Apache reservation, so you need their permission to go there.

672
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:16,000
Apparently the Air Force did have their permission because they went up to the, they airlifted.

673
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:24,000
They didn't have any tanks, not tanks with guns on them, but like storage tanks, things like that on the top of Mesa and kind of arrange them.

674
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:30,000
And then they flew Paul Benowitz up there and helicopter high enough so they couldn't exactly tell what they were.

675
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:36,000
But that he could tell that there was something artificial there and had Doty and the helicopter with them pointing stuff out and saying, look at that ball.

676
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:39,000
I think there is some kind of base there. You better take a look at that.

677
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:45,000
Generally drawing his information away from Curtlin and toward way off in the northeastern corner of New Mexico where he wouldn't be a problem.

678
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:51,000
It's successful because he got obsessed with the area.

679
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:58,000
And people also asked me, well how do you know that that happened? The only person that told you that was a lying government intelligence agent.

680
01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:05,000
Well, it's because I talked to a couple other people that said I asked him, did Paul ever get flown up there?

681
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:10,000
And they both said, yeah, he was really excited about it. He thought that it was the best thing in the world.

682
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:17,000
He took him seriously enough that they would take him up there and show him something there that that was approved all of his theories.

683
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:20,000
Of course, it proved all of his theories. I'd been feeding them to him.

684
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:24,000
And he didn't really need much help.

685
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:34,000
He whenever he took a leap of logic, the air force was right there with the one after it to lead him further away.

686
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:48,000
I couldn't believe that he had done this early enough, but this was the first draft of his report on what he thought was going on based on all of his research and his reception of his transmissions, etc.

687
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:55,000
He called it Project Beta. I don't know if there was a project Alpha, all I know about it's Project Beta, hence the name of the book.

688
01:10:55,000 --> 01:11:03,000
He described his electronics surveillance, the signals and the movie film, Alien Communication and Video channels.

689
01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:15,000
Oh, I talked to Gabe said he went to Paul's house and he looked at one of his little TV screens and he said he could see like this some sort of strange head moving around.

690
01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:18,000
He couldn't quite tell what it was, but it wasn't a human head.

691
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:21,000
It was just, say, in Paul said that's one of the aliens.

692
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:26,000
And then he said he saw something that looked like a large base with things flying around it apparently.

693
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:31,000
They were beaming pictures of these things straight into his house.

694
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:43,000
And further, and putting icing on the cake, I mean, just further, I can't believe they did all these things, but not only people inside on the inside, but the people have no connection with intelligence, told me the same thing.

695
01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:45,000
It gets weird, and we're in weirder.

696
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:51,000
Unless you think it really was aliens doing this to him, which if it was, I don't think it was the great part of the story.

697
01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:55,000
The greater part, I mean, the more important part.

698
01:11:55,000 --> 01:12:05,000
And if there were any aliens doing anything, I think the Air Force capitalized it on the point where anything that was true is covered under so much nonsense.

699
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:11,000
Aerial and ground photo grabs he flew his plane up over the Archoleta Mesa and took pictures of things.

700
01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:20,000
I don't know if he ever got down low enough to see that these things were just plain old storage tanks and benches and things like that.

701
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:32,000
And the funny thing is if he did, he interpreted them to be something a lot stranger than they were because people said that he showed them the photographs that he had taken and they said they could not see what he saw in those pictures.

702
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:41,000
Everybody I talked to said that he would show him all these things. This is where the base is. This is where the entrance is and they'd say that I'm sorry Paul that looks like trees to me that looks like a rock.

703
01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:50,000
But he was convinced it was and I mean he had just gone so far that anything that fit it in was his theory was what he saw on anything that didn't he ignored.

704
01:12:50,000 --> 01:13:00,000
Don't he told me it was very easy to get him to believe things because he completely trusted the Air Force and he would believe anything they told him just about.

705
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:08,000
That is his translation of some more of the that's what he came out of the computer was the button.

706
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:13,000
And this is his translation of what it says. Dan under Archoleta Peak.

707
01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:18,000
The base is referred to as the Dan by the Alien Life Forms.

708
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:25,000
West of Peaks no guns no is melted on and on. This is stuff about the base under the Archoleta Mesa near Dulce.

709
01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:32,000
That was being fed straight into his is his decoding program while the depot coding program that's given to him.

710
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:38,000
I'm just showing all this stuff to show you how involved and ridiculous it got.

711
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:46,000
After after releasing project beta to the UFO researchers and state senators the media et cetera.

712
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:51,000
He started sending more letters Pete de Manici. The funny thing is he names people captain Harris.

713
01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:58,000
He talks about Ernest Edwards who was the a-f-o-s-i-head at the time.

714
01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:01,000
He talks about all these people and.

715
01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:06,000
Domentici Harrison Schmidt. The former astronaut but then later state.

716
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:10,000
I mean, yes, state senator from New Mexico.

717
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:16,000
Obviously he was talking to people in some sort of authority and then describing all this insane stuff.

718
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:20,000
They're calling up the air force and going with the hell's going on here. What do you guys running out there?

719
01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:26,000
And they just said it's national security. We have an under control. Don't worry about the guy just ignore him.

720
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:30,000
So of course the ignored Paul Benowitz and that freaked him out. He said this is the most important thing.

721
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:33,000
It's ever happened. Why these people ignoring me?

722
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:39,000
Even wrote to Ronald Reagan.

723
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:45,000
He's a very strange thing I found out last year about six or eight months after the book was released.

724
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:51,000
The Air Force, AFOSI was apparently dis informing the scientists who work for them.

725
01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:59,000
But it even went that far unless this is a completely fake email that I got from somebody which it could be.

726
01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:06,000
It does name actual people. I just, you know, just to show that what I showed you here with a man aerial vehicles.

727
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:14,000
Howard Burgess, he was a scientist at work for the Air Force weapons lab. I believe it was either that or Sandia. He's passed away now.

728
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:20,000
You know what Howard Burgess did? Just as an aside. With the cattle mutilation thing.

729
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:29,000
I don't know how he thought this up. But Howard Burgess, along with Paul Benowitz and Gabe Valdez conducted an experiment.

730
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:41,000
There was a rancher that had a bunch of cattle and they were slowly disappearing. But the cattle appeared to be from one, I think, from one, from the same bull or the same family or whatever.

731
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:49,000
And those are the cattle that got picked on that got killed. So they took cattle from that family or that herd.

732
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:56,000
And ran them through a squeeze, like they used when they're going into a truck or a slaughter or whatever.

733
01:15:56,000 --> 01:16:00,000
And they shine different wavelengths of light down on them. Ultraviolet and infrared and all that.

734
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:08,000
And when the cattle went under the ultraviolet light, they saw marks on the back. Big splotches like somebody had thrown paint on them.

735
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:10,000
Then only showed up under ultraviolet light.

736
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:16,000
I don't know why aliens would need to do that. It seems like a very human thing to do.

737
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:30,000
It was a quite interesting thing that was done very early on. And Burgess was one of the was the guy that thought this up. He was very interested in UFO subject as well, which probably makes sense in light of what happened here.

738
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:44,000
Apparently in 1985 or so someone working at currently began telling him, Burgess in a small group of other lab employees, but the Air Force was flying joint US alien missions out of Kirtland using ET craft, which the aliens were supposedly teaching us to fly.

739
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:51,000
Seems like a big, big secret to be telling people, even people even scientists working at the Air Base who had nothing to do with the project.

740
01:16:51,000 --> 01:17:01,000
Howard and the others were told the ET craft gave off a certain EMC, electromagnetic signature. I have the exact frequency one of my notebooks, which could be detected with simple electronic gear.

741
01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:06,000
Yes, like Ben at what's had. He actually set up a monitoring unit in his garage.

742
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:09,000
Why Howard and the others would believe this dubious story is an incredible.

743
01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:20,000
Whoever was telling him all this was obviously very persuasive and presumably held a position at Kirtland, which carried a certain authority. At least the lines of Howard Burgess and his friends.

744
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:32,000
Yeah, the source for the story would pretty little I could call Howard or one of the other guys and say that on such and such a date of certain time the signal would be detectable while the ET craft was operating south of Kirtland Air Force Base near four hills were Paul Benowitz live.

745
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:38,000
According to Howard and the other sure enough they picked up an unknown signal that exact frequency on more than one occasion over a several month period.

746
01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:46,000
He and Howard stepped out another source said he and Howard stepped outside after detecting the signal inside it and extremely bright light above or just behind four hills.

747
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:50,000
So maybe these things that were flying up and down there had something to do with those signals.

748
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:59,000
And they just wanted to confuse the issue so much that the, like a stand and freedom calls that there was a laughter curtain kind of lowered around it. So people would just not pay attention to it anymore.

749
01:17:59,000 --> 01:18:09,000
Even even amongst people who who worked on the base and supposedly knew what was going on apparently they were dis informing them too. And I don't think this is an isolated incident. Do you think so Walter?

750
01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:16,000
Walter is a friend of mine. He actually used to be in the Air Force Office of Special Investigation. So everybody can be scared now that there's a government personally.

751
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:27,000
But he helped a lot with a book and described to me how the Air Force works, how AFOS, I works, how information is gathered and what authority people have.

752
01:18:27,000 --> 01:18:36,000
Apparently, Doty had quite a bit of authority and went kind of wild with it under the watchful eye of his commanders.

753
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:40,000
Project Aquarius, anybody heard of this?

754
01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:55,000
Well, yes, exactly. If I'm saying, if I'm saying something wrong about what it was supposed to be, just tell me. Apparently, it was a some sort of project initiated by the US government to teach US pilots to fly alien craft.

755
01:18:55,000 --> 01:19:00,000
Is that true? If that sound right?

756
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:10,000
Well, because that is based on what this document describes actually doesn't describe humans piloting alien and craft.

757
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:16,000
I don't know where anybody got that story and how that got twisted into that. Maybe it's a different Aquarius.

758
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:23,000
This was another document given to Bill Moore, but it was not a release document to release as a UFO researcher.

759
01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:39,000
He was told to give this to Paul Benowitz. What it is is you can't read it from here, but trust me, it's a report of analysis of film of UFOs.

760
01:19:39,000 --> 01:19:48,000
And when you look at it and when Paul Benowitz looked at it and realized that it was an analysis of his film, his film and his pictures.

761
01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:56,000
And Bill Moore was told to hand this to Paul Benowitz.

762
01:19:56,000 --> 01:20:01,000
And he felt, at this point, finally, he felt a little weird about it.

763
01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:07,000
I'm actually giving him something I know that is basically false because he'd seen this come in on the teletype actually.

764
01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:11,000
And this was the same thing, but doctored. And he knew it had been doctored.

765
01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:14,000
It had been changed for Paul Benowitz's consumption.

766
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:21,000
So after three or four months, somebody from the air force maybe Dota or somebody called him up and said, you give this to Paul or the deal is off.

767
01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:26,000
So finally, he went over to thunder scientific to give this to Benowitz.

768
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:33,000
And it's funny because he used his spy training against the people of Trinium. He actually took Benowitz and a storage closet.

769
01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:37,000
He said, I have something to show you, but I have to give it to you.

770
01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:40,000
We have to go somewhere where people can't hear us or see us.

771
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:44,000
And this was at night too. So there was a couple employees there and there was nobody else there.

772
01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:53,000
He said they went in a storage closet, more picked up a radio, a little portable radio took it in there and turned it all the way up and closed the door.

773
01:20:53,000 --> 01:21:00,000
And he went right up to Paul's ear and said, I was told to give this to you, please be careful, take it with a grain of salt.

774
01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:03,000
Don't believe everything you read.

775
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:08,000
And Paul said, okay, fine. And apparently he did put it in a safe and never said anything about it to anyone.

776
01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:18,000
However, it did its job. It was further evidence the Air Force was very interested in what he was doing and and trusted his research.

777
01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:22,000
The funny thing about this in February of 1981.

778
01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:37,000
Oh, I put that in there because apparently one of these listings here of analysis apparently is describing this picture, which I thought was kind of serendipitous that I had found this picture and then it was mentioned in the Aquarius document.

779
01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:41,000
Very strange down at the bottom right at the end.

780
01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:52,000
You request for technical assistance because of chance of public disclosure, no knowledgeable personnel with special what's SPA special project.

781
01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:59,000
Okay, special program access will be provided continue to receive assistance from individuals mentioned in your message Miller, who we've talked about.

782
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:07,000
If you get who I will talk about because of the sensitivity of case requests they really be debriefed at regular intervals.

783
01:22:07,000 --> 01:22:13,000
Uh-oh, I, I, I, I, I lighted the wrong part, but I will read it to you.

784
01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:16,000
Where is it? There it is.

785
01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:26,000
NASA, which that's actually not NASA, it's, National Reconence and so office, they changed that. That's actually something that Bill more notice they changed.

786
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:39,000
The research results of sightings to appropriate US government policy and results of project decorators is still classified top secret with no dissemination outside official intelligence channels and with restricted access to MJ12.

787
01:22:39,000 --> 01:22:47,000
Nobody had ever mentioned MJ12. That's the first time anybody had ever seen anything referencing something called MJ12 in February of 1981.

788
01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:56,000
In 1984 he gets a, that Eisenhower, breakening document talking about MJ12 releases at 1986 on the rest of his history.

789
01:22:56,000 --> 01:23:11,000
And you can ask Ryan, what about that? He is going to be a lot more convincing and have a lot more information than I do and probably I should come and see the lecture because it'll change my mind.

790
01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:28,000
I was looking online after the book came out. I was looking online at Bob and Ryan Woods site. There, uh, what's the site called? Is anybody know? What's the address?

791
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:30,000
It's not calm.

792
01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:32,000
Hmm?

793
01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:35,000
Yes, thank you very much. MajesticDocuments.com.

794
01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:40,000
And there was a list of documents they had gotten from a man named Tim Cooper in their early 90s.

795
01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:53,000
And one of the things listed was Defense Intelligence Agency organization mission and key personnel March 1981, which is right during the period I was interested in. Perfect, right?

796
01:23:53,000 --> 01:24:15,000
So I looked and there's a lot of people in there who a lot of you, if you're into the UFO subject and intelligence know about one of them is Jack Verona, Dr. Jack Verona, but in the directorate for scientific and technical intelligence, the people that are interested in UFO subject matter among others in defense intelligence agency.

797
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:34,000
One of the, uh, one of the departments is weapons and systems division, Mr. J. R. Miller. Gerald R. Miller, it's spelled with a J. So when I talk to Jerry, he said, I asked him, I do he had some knowledge of what was going on at the base in the early 80s.

798
01:24:34,000 --> 01:24:41,000
I said, the first thing I asked him after sitting in a corner table at the restaurant with nobody else around for two or three tables on either side.

799
01:24:41,000 --> 01:24:51,000
I said, Jerry, what was the air force so interested in? What were they covering up? It's surely over 25 years later, you can talk about some of it.

800
01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:56,000
And he said, well, there are a lot of things going on there. I'm not sure really what he was, what they were interested in.

801
01:24:56,000 --> 01:25:06,000
And I knew, I was pretty sure that he knew what it was, at least some of it. And now I know he knew what it was. Look what he was in charge of ballistic missile systems, aerodynamic system, naval systems ground systems.

802
01:25:07,000 --> 01:25:20,000
The guy was high up. And he was, you know, a died in the wall spy, spoke, or at least very well versed in that area because that's what he needed to do.

803
01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:25,000
You develop things and you shut up about it and you keep people from other people finding out about it.

804
01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:41,000
And I will, the weird thing about a lot of these intelligence people, if they want to help you, they do it a very strange way. If they don't want to help you, they'll either hand you a bunch of junk or say, I don't know anything about it.

805
01:25:41,000 --> 01:25:52,000
And that's the end of it. But if they do want to help you, they'll do it in a weird way. I asked him these questions and he kind of gave me these equivocated answers and I'm not so sure.

806
01:25:53,000 --> 01:26:08,000
And then the next day, I tried to get on the base. And of course, they wouldn't let me on the base. The atomic museum, national atomic museum, used to be on the base and you could go in and look at, you know, a model of the two atomic bot first to atomic domes that were dropped and missiles and things like that.

807
01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:21,000
But after September 11, 2001, it's very soon after they moved all that off the base. Obviously. So I didn't know that, but I went to the gate and I said, I want to go to the atomic museum. I said, that's not here anymore. Go get out, turn around.

808
01:26:21,000 --> 01:26:29,000
And so I was only an albicurkey for a few, you know, a couple of days, maybe three or four days. And I called Jerry and I said, you know, anyway, I could get on the base.

809
01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:35,000
You know, somebody I could call and tell them what my purpose is and it's about something that happened a long time ago.

810
01:26:35,000 --> 01:26:40,000
He said, I don't really know if they'll let you on the base.

811
01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:47,000
But what are you doing at three o'clock? I said, I don't know, I'm coming back from the library. I guess I'll be in my hotel room.

812
01:26:47,000 --> 01:26:56,000
So, you know, another thing that spy people do and they never get out of this habit exactly at three o'clock is truck pulls into the parking lot.

813
01:26:56,000 --> 01:27:04,000
If you say you're going to meet them there at three o'clock, you can set your watch to the minute they walk in the door. Every one of them. It's just a habit.

814
01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:12,000
You learn to be punctual. And they're there on time, probably because some they're taking a look to see what you're doing or you with before you get there.

815
01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:20,000
Anyway, he comes to he comes and picks me up in his truck and he says, let's see if my ID still works. Of course, his ID still works. He just showed it at the gate.

816
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:26,000
There's all these warning signs, lights going off patrol cars driving around, wave to right through.

817
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:38,000
And he drove me on the base. He started, we went on the main road through the base by the golf course. We went by that that that wouldn't thing. I forgot to tell you. It's called the Tressel TREST.

818
01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:45,000
We drove right by that. He told me he told me about that and how to be decommissioned in those big bolts. He told me about that.

819
01:27:45,000 --> 01:27:53,000
And as we go get closer, Monsano, remember I asked them all this stuff the day before. What were they doing? What were they so interested in? What were they covering up?

820
01:27:53,000 --> 01:27:58,000
As we get near the mountain, he says, oh look, did you know about that? The star fire range?

821
01:27:58,000 --> 01:28:05,000
And I said, yeah, I heard about it. It has telescopes at it or something. There was a guy there named Jerry Fugate. He was very clever.

822
01:28:05,000 --> 01:28:10,000
He figured out a way to watch satellites and it was a very exciting thing at the time.

823
01:28:10,000 --> 01:28:13,000
I hadn't asked him about it. He just came out of nowhere and said, oh look at that.

824
01:28:13,000 --> 01:28:19,000
What I realized he was doing is he is answering my question from the day before without having to directly answer me.

825
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:30,000
So you have to listen very, very, very, very carefully. I'm sure I missed tons of stuff from a lot of these people no matter how many notes I took because I couldn't record what they were saying. They wouldn't let me do that.

826
01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:37,000
But obviously he wanted to help me out, but he didn't either thought that he couldn't do it without being, you know, by being obvious.

827
01:28:37,000 --> 01:28:48,000
Or part of his oath or whatever it was for secrecy didn't involve him answering questions out of context.

828
01:28:48,000 --> 01:28:55,000
So I realized that he was giving me a little hint that that might have been one of the things that they were very interested in.

829
01:28:55,000 --> 01:29:01,000
So I looked into that. I hope I have that up next to no I don't.

830
01:29:01,000 --> 01:29:04,000
But we will come back to it.

831
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:09,000
The story is so complicated and convoluted that I can't possibly make a perfect narrative out of it.

832
01:29:09,000 --> 01:29:18,000
I tried to do that that way in the book, but real life does not work very well when you try to cram it into a logical story.

833
01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:22,000
They do it in movies all the time, which is why when people go see movie based on a true story,

834
01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:27,000
it doesn't seem to have much relationship at all to what actually happened.

835
01:29:27,000 --> 01:29:35,000
Beno, it's was flying over the archaeleta mace up there near Delcy looking for this base, using his plane, flying over taking these wonderful pictures.

836
01:29:35,000 --> 01:29:40,000
Any pictures that showed anything were taken out of his house when Beno, it's not there.

837
01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:47,000
People would, for Mayor force intelligence would break into his house, steal his pictures, replace them with stuff that, with blank frames, whatever,

838
01:29:47,000 --> 01:29:50,000
and he didn't have that evidence anymore.

839
01:29:50,000 --> 01:30:03,000
But there was stealing evidence of something that wasn't even there. However, in October of 1985 something indeed crashed up on the archaeleta mace and Beno had saw it.

840
01:30:03,000 --> 01:30:06,000
And he went up in his plane and took pictures of it.

841
01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:12,000
We are not left with any pictures of what he saw there because somebody came in and took them.

842
01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:19,000
He went up there and took pictures of what where it did crash, those were not taken away from him because it didn't really show anything.

843
01:30:19,000 --> 01:30:24,000
But he seemed to think there was still something there. Whoops.

844
01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:31,000
And this is one of his actual pictures with his writing where he tried to show people what he thought had crashed.

845
01:30:31,000 --> 01:30:39,000
He said it was a nuclear power daily in craft that the aliens had given us and then shot down to teach us a lesson.

846
01:30:39,000 --> 01:30:43,000
And I will get into why he thought that in a minute here.

847
01:30:43,000 --> 01:30:49,000
He produced hundreds of these pictures of the little diagram showing where things are.

848
01:30:49,000 --> 01:30:54,000
But like I said, he would show these pictures to people and people could not see what he was talking about.

849
01:30:54,000 --> 01:30:58,000
A hot reactor vessel. Well, it looks like it might be a shadow, I guess.

850
01:30:58,000 --> 01:31:01,000
A parent rocket engine.

851
01:31:01,000 --> 01:31:04,000
I wish he'd gotten a little bit closer on that.

852
01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:09,000
Camouflage ship under ledge. Well, it's camouflage. So I guess you can't see it.

853
01:31:09,000 --> 01:31:12,000
Sausage apparently on guard. What is it that?

854
01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:19,000
These look like shadows and things. No matter who I talked to, I said every picture of what showed us that we could not see what he saw in those pictures.

855
01:31:19,000 --> 01:31:22,000
There's many other besides these showing sides of the mountain.

856
01:31:22,000 --> 01:31:27,000
There's also some very strange pictures of stuff flying by the lens that are not lens aberrations or anything like that.

857
01:31:27,000 --> 01:31:38,000
Just another one of these things where everything doesn't fit into the way I look at it or the way the UFO people, you know, people that are heavily invested in the UFO secret base idea think of it.

858
01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:42,000
There's always these little things that don't quite fit in.

859
01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:49,000
However, in the book, I tried to explain that most of it is was the result of disinformation and we should be on the lookout for that.

860
01:31:50,000 --> 01:31:57,000
This is a letter to build more about finding the crash up on our Chalet of Mayson. What he thought it might be.

861
01:31:57,000 --> 01:31:59,000
This is his drawing.

862
01:31:59,000 --> 01:32:05,000
He didn't have any pictures left because they were taken from his house. So he drew pictures from memory.

863
01:32:05,000 --> 01:32:10,000
And very detailed one showing what he thought was what it crashed there.

864
01:32:10,000 --> 01:32:18,000
He was like how it had broken up ground charred in burn, reactor vessel, metal bubble or over pilot cockpit.

865
01:32:18,000 --> 01:32:23,000
This is what he said it crashed. He said two of them had crashed there.

866
01:32:23,000 --> 01:32:28,000
And then about two months later, apparently this is what he remembered.

867
01:32:28,000 --> 01:32:31,000
And the problem was he kept changing his idea of what it looked like.

868
01:32:31,000 --> 01:32:34,000
And then he said that was what he remembered.

869
01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:37,000
Very strange that he kept changing it when he didn't have his pictures anymore.

870
01:32:37,000 --> 01:32:42,000
And I remembered him being able to figure out why he changed his perception of what the thing looked like.

871
01:32:42,000 --> 01:32:46,000
But I started to think what could have crashed up there besides an alien pilot.

872
01:32:46,000 --> 01:32:50,000
I mean, a human pilot at alien craft powered by a nuclear reactor.

873
01:32:50,000 --> 01:32:55,000
And his drawings looked something like a prototypical stealth fighter, which was being tested at the time.

874
01:32:55,000 --> 01:32:57,000
And nobody knew about this.

875
01:32:57,000 --> 01:33:01,000
It had been flying since I think the early 80s.

876
01:33:01,000 --> 01:33:04,000
Maybe late 70s even.

877
01:33:04,000 --> 01:33:10,000
And here in 1980, a six, I believe that his drawings sort of look like that.

878
01:33:10,000 --> 01:33:14,000
I mean, if you saw one of these crashed somewhere you've never seen one, you wouldn't know what the hell it was.

879
01:33:14,000 --> 01:33:15,000
It looks very strange.

880
01:33:15,000 --> 01:33:17,000
It looks like an alien ship.

881
01:33:17,000 --> 01:33:18,000
And that's a prototype.

882
01:33:18,000 --> 01:33:20,000
That's not even what it finally looked like.

883
01:33:20,000 --> 01:33:21,000
So that might have been what crashed.

884
01:33:21,000 --> 01:33:26,000
I was also told that it was a unmanerial vehicle, like the predator kind that looked like this.

885
01:33:26,000 --> 01:33:31,000
And in 1986, that was a very, very hush hush thing.

886
01:33:31,000 --> 01:33:36,000
I mean, we only just found out about this what two or three years ago.

887
01:33:36,000 --> 01:33:39,000
And sort of looks like that.

888
01:33:39,000 --> 01:33:41,000
Looks very much like this one.

889
01:33:41,000 --> 01:33:45,000
His drawings look very much like this fuselage here.

890
01:33:45,000 --> 01:33:47,000
If it had crashed.

891
01:33:47,000 --> 01:33:50,000
Do you agree with that?

892
01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:56,000
I mean, if I have to pick something out that isn't an alien craft, it looks like these are the closest things I can find.

893
01:33:56,000 --> 01:34:00,000
And something that would probably be something that the Air Force would not want anybody to know about.

894
01:34:00,000 --> 01:34:05,000
It was part of our developing defense arsenal.

895
01:34:05,000 --> 01:34:16,000
So what they did was they hired somebody or found somebody from the NSA who was affiliated with Lockheed Corporation to start talking to Paul Benowitz.

896
01:34:16,000 --> 01:34:18,000
And he started sending in letters.

897
01:34:18,000 --> 01:34:21,000
Dr. Aft of letter to Benowitz, December 11, 1985.

898
01:34:21,000 --> 01:34:24,000
Oh, okay. I'm sorry. I happened in 1985.

899
01:34:24,000 --> 01:34:28,000
So immediately they started writing in letters about this.

900
01:34:29,000 --> 01:34:36,000
Something interesting is going on in the dullsy area and a positive or negative response to your query.

901
01:34:36,000 --> 01:34:39,000
Basically, take him in his confidence saying, you're doing good work.

902
01:34:39,000 --> 01:34:40,000
Please give us more.

903
01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:42,000
They just wanted to find out what he was looking at.

904
01:34:42,000 --> 01:34:46,000
And further twist his kind of worldview.

905
01:34:46,000 --> 01:34:50,000
And he started sending him letters with this kind of stuff.

906
01:34:50,000 --> 01:34:56,000
Several thousand years ago, group of people revealed to us to be the E-Bans, which I guess is supposed to be like E-B-E-N.

907
01:34:56,000 --> 01:35:00,000
It's actually a rational biological entity, I think.

908
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:05,000
Originating from the Green Planet created to racist of mankind, homosapiens and Swedes.

909
01:35:05,000 --> 01:35:13,000
SWE-ADS. I think he means Swedes like Nordic UFO occupants.

910
01:35:13,000 --> 01:35:21,000
Basically, what he says in these letters, if you're still reading, is that aliens created humans.

911
01:35:21,000 --> 01:35:27,000
And they're basically trying to keep control of their creation.

912
01:35:27,000 --> 01:35:30,000
And that's why the aliens are here and Paul, you're exactly right.

913
01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:33,000
And it's very important work you're doing.

914
01:35:33,000 --> 01:35:39,000
He talks about the E-B-E incorporates the Rosalyn said, and it into his letter.

915
01:35:39,000 --> 01:35:45,000
I included these in the illustrations for the book, but they did not go in because there's only a limited amount of space.

916
01:35:45,000 --> 01:35:47,000
However, my descriptions of it were left in there.

917
01:35:47,000 --> 01:35:49,000
If you think there was somebody trying to cover up what I said,

918
01:35:49,000 --> 01:35:53,000
must not be anything important because none of it was covered up.

919
01:35:53,000 --> 01:36:01,000
That describes the Rosalyn incident, just taking the facts of the case known from Bill Morris book at the time.

920
01:36:01,000 --> 01:36:07,000
And working into a theory that fits in with what they're trying to tell Benowitz about the history of this planet and aliens being here.

921
01:36:07,000 --> 01:36:17,000
I'm not saying it's false, but the fact that they're lying to Benowitz left and right and upside down in backwards makes me think that these kind of stories are very dubious.

922
01:36:17,000 --> 01:36:23,000
Oh, project Aquarius, a project designed to notify man of our creation by the E-Bans.

923
01:36:23,000 --> 01:36:29,000
Okay, well then that's what they were trying to push project Aquarius as that.

924
01:36:29,000 --> 01:36:34,000
And then another one called Project Sigma about communicating with aliens.

925
01:36:34,000 --> 01:36:38,000
But this was December 85.

926
01:36:38,000 --> 01:36:46,000
Within a few years after that, Project Aquarius, Project Sigma, and all that stuff were being touted by John Lear, Bill English, and all these people as well.

927
01:36:46,000 --> 01:36:56,000
All these people as, you know, the very most secret information from the people in the know who knew what was going on and that they were incredible revelations.

928
01:36:56,000 --> 01:37:00,000
But it came from this stuff.

929
01:37:00,000 --> 01:37:09,000
And through your fallogy into a crazy, ridiculous period, which I think it is maybe just now recovering.

930
01:37:09,000 --> 01:37:11,000
Yes, that was a draft of a letter.

931
01:37:11,000 --> 01:37:21,000
However, he did send it because this is Paul's letter back to the guy whose name was Ron, but I'm not going to use his last name because I haven't talked to him yet and got permission to use his name.

932
01:37:21,000 --> 01:37:23,000
He is still alive.

933
01:37:23,000 --> 01:37:30,000
So they went back and forth with these letters and there's him writing back and and replying to this letter.

934
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:35,000
It's funny because he starts talking, he takes out the, this is an edit of the letter.

935
01:37:35,000 --> 01:37:41,000
He wants to say that he wants to change dulce de los de Vegas and New Mexico to area 51.

936
01:37:41,000 --> 01:37:47,000
He's talking about an area 51 here in 1985 again before anybody knew anything about it.

937
01:37:47,000 --> 01:37:56,000
Either because there is some alien pilot and stuff going on there or they want people at this early date to desperately, desperately want people to believe that.

938
01:37:56,000 --> 01:37:59,000
Maybe a combination of the two.

939
01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:02,000
Okay, what were they covering up?

940
01:38:02,000 --> 01:38:08,000
Well, I told you that Jerry said that the star fire range had something to do with it.

941
01:38:08,000 --> 01:38:25,000
These things were probably some sort of unmanerial vehicles, but like I said, they have all the characteristics of what we've heard in rumors as anti-gravity typecraft, which very well may be in development and have been in have been working for 50 years.

942
01:38:25,000 --> 01:38:33,000
You read material by Tom Volone, Nick Cook's book, there's some other ones too.

943
01:38:33,000 --> 01:38:41,000
Joseph Farrell's book, Brotherhood, no, yeah, and right of the black sun.

944
01:38:41,000 --> 01:38:43,000
They weren't concerned about this.

945
01:38:43,000 --> 01:38:49,000
Electromagnetic pulses do not send out a design to fry electronics do not send out intelligible signals.

946
01:38:49,000 --> 01:38:54,000
I thought that's was what it was very early on, but it's it's it's not really well supported because there's no messages embedded.

947
01:38:54,000 --> 01:38:59,000
And huge electronics flying electromagnetic signals.

948
01:38:59,000 --> 01:39:06,000
However, the fact that Jerry had said that's a very interesting thing.

949
01:39:06,000 --> 01:39:10,000
And left it at that made me think later.

950
01:39:10,000 --> 01:39:13,000
So I looked into the star fire range.

951
01:39:13,000 --> 01:39:16,000
Looks like like an observatory.

952
01:39:16,000 --> 01:39:19,000
There's a there's a there's a telescope.

953
01:39:19,000 --> 01:39:20,000
There's one in there.

954
01:39:20,000 --> 01:39:21,000
There's one in there.

955
01:39:21,000 --> 01:39:23,000
There's a little one.

956
01:39:24,000 --> 01:39:26,000
This is at the base.

957
01:39:26,000 --> 01:39:30,000
The guy mentioned in that document along with Jerry Miller was a few gate.

958
01:39:30,000 --> 01:39:31,000
This is Robert Q few gate.

959
01:39:31,000 --> 01:39:39,000
He would say he is still actually a optical physicist working for the Air Force or for Sandy, I think.

960
01:39:39,000 --> 01:39:42,000
Anyway, he was the head of the star fire optical range.

961
01:39:42,000 --> 01:39:46,000
And I believe at least until recently still is he's very old now.

962
01:39:46,000 --> 01:39:48,000
He must be in his 70s.

963
01:39:48,000 --> 01:39:55,000
But in the mid 70s, he developed a system to look into the atmosphere.

964
01:39:55,000 --> 01:39:59,000
And you know when you look up at stars and things at night, they out the twinkle.

965
01:39:59,000 --> 01:40:03,000
It's because the atmosphere is so thick and air currents and all that bend the light.

966
01:40:03,000 --> 01:40:06,000
And what they wanted to look at was not a bunch.

967
01:40:06,000 --> 01:40:11,000
They're not sitting there looking at stars and planets and the moon and all that and comments.

968
01:40:11,000 --> 01:40:13,000
They don't care about that.

969
01:40:13,000 --> 01:40:16,000
They're they're they're they're working working intelligence.

970
01:40:16,000 --> 01:40:20,000
What are they looking at? They're looking at spy satellites.

971
01:40:20,000 --> 01:40:28,000
So what few gate did was he invented a system that would immediately cancel out what the atmosphere was doing to bend the light.

972
01:40:28,000 --> 01:40:35,000
Like if you look at a pool and the thing is kind of, you know, you look at something and it's kind of like waves and a pool you can't really see what's going on.

973
01:40:35,000 --> 01:40:37,000
This was kind of an artificial weight.

974
01:40:37,000 --> 01:40:39,000
It's smoothed it out into glass.

975
01:40:39,000 --> 01:40:43,000
What they had was a, um, whoops.

976
01:40:46,000 --> 01:40:54,000
You know, there's an objective mirror where the star light, the light comes in is gathered and and magnified.

977
01:40:54,000 --> 01:40:57,000
So you can see it. I'm almost done.

978
01:40:57,000 --> 01:41:03,000
Underneath this mirror, we're a bunch of hundreds and hundreds of little tiny air,

979
01:41:03,000 --> 01:41:07,000
a pneumatically driven plungers.

980
01:41:07,000 --> 01:41:15,000
And they would they would kind of cite on a star and look at the star and and with the mirror and everything in the field of view.

981
01:41:15,000 --> 01:41:25,000
If you cited that one star and looked at how it was bending, there was a computer to control the mirror to bend it in exactly the right direction so that that the air currents and the light bending was canceled out.

982
01:41:25,000 --> 01:41:28,000
So you could see things clearly from the ground with that.

983
01:41:28,000 --> 01:41:30,000
Have to be above the atmosphere.

984
01:41:30,000 --> 01:41:37,000
And just about four or five years ago, suddenly astronomy magazines and everybody were all excited over 25 years after was developed.

985
01:41:37,000 --> 01:41:44,000
So it's a product of spycraft spy tech that is another example of if you hear about something,

986
01:41:44,000 --> 01:41:49,000
it's probably been been been in use and and.

987
01:41:49,000 --> 01:41:54,000
It was developed and has been in use for at least 20 years or more, 10 or 20 years.

988
01:41:54,000 --> 01:42:00,000
But what they were doing with this, we're looking at spy satellites that were coming over this, the base and taking pictures,

989
01:42:00,000 --> 01:42:01,000
Soviet spy satellites.

990
01:42:01,000 --> 01:42:05,000
And that's an example actually from the star file, optical range website.

991
01:42:05,000 --> 01:42:09,000
That's a picture of a satellite without a adaptive optics.

992
01:42:09,000 --> 01:42:14,000
And that's after they kind of cleaned it up with the Photoshop or whatever the Air Force uses.

993
01:42:14,000 --> 01:42:21,000
And that's a satellite moving, I don't know what, 12,000 miles an hour coming over the coming over the horizon and going like this.

994
01:42:21,000 --> 01:42:26,000
And the way and they were moving against the background field of stars.

995
01:42:26,000 --> 01:42:29,000
So you can't really cite on a star because it's always moving.

996
01:42:29,000 --> 01:42:38,000
So what Fugate did in a further burst of genius was to find a discovery that you can actually shoot a laser.

997
01:42:38,000 --> 01:42:42,000
Up into the atmosphere and look at how that was bent by the atmosphere.

998
01:42:42,000 --> 01:42:46,000
So then as it was moving, you didn't need to cite on any stars.

999
01:42:46,000 --> 01:42:49,000
You could follow along right with the satellite.

1000
01:42:49,000 --> 01:43:02,000
And this is actually a picture from somebody told me last night that the kek observed a story in Hawaii of an adaptive optics system actually in use with the laser shooting up.

1001
01:43:02,000 --> 01:43:06,000
The reason they were interested in these satellites, one yes, of course they were looking down and taking pictures.

1002
01:43:06,000 --> 01:43:11,000
But I was also told that they found out how to control these satellites without the Soviets knowing about it.

1003
01:43:11,000 --> 01:43:18,000
They were communicating with the satellites with lasers by laser pulses like this, not radio waves because radio waves you can pick up.

1004
01:43:18,000 --> 01:43:22,000
Laser pulses go straight. You have to be right in the beam to get any information.

1005
01:43:22,000 --> 01:43:25,000
Otherwise, if you're outside of the beam, obviously you're not going to pick it up.

1006
01:43:25,000 --> 01:43:28,000
So they were controlling these satellites with lasers.

1007
01:43:28,000 --> 01:43:34,000
And there's a huge laser facility there and there's one actually at white sands as well.

1008
01:43:34,000 --> 01:43:44,000
So they were cooperating with white sands. What they would do is they would, as a satellite came over there, but identified as a Soviet satellite and then flash a message at it.

1009
01:43:44,000 --> 01:43:48,000
And actually caused a satellite to turn and face away from the earth.

1010
01:43:48,000 --> 01:43:53,000
And then we come back around the other side and the Soviets would look at the satellite and go, what happened?

1011
01:43:53,000 --> 01:43:56,000
He was pointing at earth. No, he's not pointing at earth anymore.

1012
01:43:56,000 --> 01:44:01,000
So they would, they would change it right back and it would come back around the other side maybe two or three times.

1013
01:44:01,000 --> 01:44:06,000
And just it's not to get any suspicion. And then they flash it again like that and turn it in another direction.

1014
01:44:06,000 --> 01:44:12,000
And the reason they knew to do this is there were people in the Soviet Union that were planted there.

1015
01:44:12,000 --> 01:44:16,000
In on the development of these satellites, a new the inner of them and knew how they worked.

1016
01:44:16,000 --> 01:44:18,000
And they were sending this information back.

1017
01:44:18,000 --> 01:44:29,000
So, you know, if Paul Benowitz even hinted somewhere that somebody in the United States knew what was going on, knew how to control these satellites.

1018
01:44:29,000 --> 01:44:32,000
And people in Russia would have been imprisoned killed whatever.

1019
01:44:32,000 --> 01:44:38,000
At the very least there, their cover would have been blown in the program would be dead.

1020
01:44:38,000 --> 01:44:54,000
So, apparently it was worth it to them to keep Paul Benowitz on the line and actually have him get worse and worse psychologically until he was institutionalized.

1021
01:44:54,000 --> 01:44:56,000
This is a picture that Bill Morgan gave me.

1022
01:44:56,000 --> 01:45:00,000
The book, but the publisher said it doesn't reproduce very well, especially not in color.

1023
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:03,000
What it had to be on the cover in very high resolution.

1024
01:45:03,000 --> 01:45:09,000
Right down here, I think, between these two little bumps here, that's the top of Monsonum Mountain.

1025
01:45:09,000 --> 01:45:11,000
This is the house across the street from Paul Benowitz.

1026
01:45:11,000 --> 01:45:14,000
This is he's looking straight out at the base.

1027
01:45:14,000 --> 01:45:19,000
Bill Morgan was standing on Paul Benowitz's porch one time in the middle of the day and Paul said,

1028
01:45:19,000 --> 01:45:24,000
Bill, take your camera and point it out this way at Monsonum and take a few pictures.

1029
01:45:24,000 --> 01:45:27,000
And Bill said, well, why should I do that? There's nothing there.

1030
01:45:27,000 --> 01:45:34,000
He said, put it on a thousand of a second, the shutter, and just take some pictures, because sometimes stuff shows up.

1031
01:45:34,000 --> 01:45:38,000
And when he got it back, there were a lot of pictures of the mountain and one of this.

1032
01:45:38,000 --> 01:45:44,000
Of some weird things, shooting up from the thing, and I don't know why it seems like it disappears right here.

1033
01:45:44,000 --> 01:45:51,000
Like it's cut off. But that's about where the star fire ranges and something's going on there.

1034
01:45:51,000 --> 01:45:54,000
He was taking it so apparently he was also taking pictures of what they were doing.

1035
01:45:54,000 --> 01:45:58,000
Apparently you couldn't see this in the naked eye. It had to be at a thousand of a second.

1036
01:45:58,000 --> 01:46:04,000
Very weird picture, and I don't know what it is, but it might have something to do with that laser sighting stuff,

1037
01:46:04,000 --> 01:46:07,000
which would also indicate that they were doing it during the day as well.

1038
01:46:07,000 --> 01:46:11,000
Which makes sense. The satellites can see a lot more in the day.

1039
01:46:12,000 --> 01:46:21,000
By 1988, Paul Benowitz had gotten to the point where Bill went to lunch with him once and noticed he smoked ten cigarettes in a row and didn't touch his food.

1040
01:46:21,000 --> 01:46:31,000
And he was shaking like this, and he told him, you know, Paul, I think maybe you ought to lay off some of this stuff for a while, because it's really affecting your health.

1041
01:46:31,000 --> 01:46:36,000
And people were worried about you.

1042
01:46:37,000 --> 01:46:48,000
And Paul, Benowitz said, no, I'm okay. I can hold it together. But very soon after that his family was so worried about his state of mind and his health, they actually had him put in a mental health care facility.

1043
01:46:48,000 --> 01:46:50,000
I actually found it. It's still there.

1044
01:46:50,000 --> 01:46:51,000
Behavioral medicine.

1045
01:46:51,000 --> 01:46:56,000
The funny thing is if you keep driving down that road, you go through the Wyoming Gate of Curtland Air Force Base.

1046
01:46:56,000 --> 01:46:57,000
That other picture I showed you.

1047
01:46:57,000 --> 01:46:59,000
This is like two miles up the road from Curtland.

1048
01:47:01,000 --> 01:47:04,000
Very weird little piece of coincidence.

1049
01:47:07,000 --> 01:47:16,000
And I arrived there in about two weeks after this in July of 2003.

1050
01:47:16,000 --> 01:47:22,000
I went to thunder scientific and wanted to ask somebody there.

1051
01:47:22,000 --> 01:47:25,000
I don't know, because I figured if I called up first, there'd be some problems.

1052
01:47:25,000 --> 01:47:30,000
I walked in and I found Matthew Benowitz's son who's running the business now.

1053
01:47:30,000 --> 01:47:32,000
And I said, could we go somewhere and talk?

1054
01:47:32,000 --> 01:47:35,000
Because I didn't want to embarrass him in front of his employees or whatever.

1055
01:47:35,000 --> 01:47:37,000
Because I knew it was not a very good time in there.

1056
01:47:37,000 --> 01:47:39,000
Like, and I said, yeah, let's go in this.

1057
01:47:39,000 --> 01:47:45,000
We got a conference room. So we went there and I said, I'm writing a book about your father and what happened to him in the 1980s.

1058
01:47:45,000 --> 01:47:47,000
And before I even finished the sentence, he said, absolutely not.

1059
01:47:47,000 --> 01:47:51,000
We want nothing to do with it. And then just kind of stood there and basically saying, get out.

1060
01:47:51,000 --> 01:47:55,000
And at that point, I really didn't feel like writing the book.

1061
01:47:55,000 --> 01:47:58,000
Because I felt like I'd be invading these people's privacy.

1062
01:47:58,000 --> 01:48:04,000
The only thing he said, he said, absolutely not. And then he said, and then he added, oh, and my father died two weeks ago.

1063
01:48:04,000 --> 01:48:11,000
So I had just arrived there at the perfect time to bother him about something in the episode in their life where they almost lost their father.

1064
01:48:11,000 --> 01:48:15,000
And some people, really, I've noticed on the internet and stuff,

1065
01:48:15,000 --> 01:48:26,000
has said, you don't really, I, as the writer of the book, don't really take the air force to task and make kind of a moral judgment on it.

1066
01:48:26,000 --> 01:48:32,000
And my response to that is because I'm not here to tell you how to feel. That's not my job.

1067
01:48:32,000 --> 01:48:34,000
I have certain feelings about it, which I will tell you about.

1068
01:48:34,000 --> 01:48:42,000
But the point was to get the story out and to show what had happened and try and show it as fairly as possible, which actually, you know,

1069
01:48:42,000 --> 01:48:49,000
it, some people because they're so suspicious and of authority, which is very well-founded, I agree.

1070
01:48:49,000 --> 01:48:57,000
I can't listen to something that appears to put the air force and the authorities in a good light.

1071
01:48:57,000 --> 01:49:04,000
They thought they were doing the right thing. The only problem was when they noticed the Paul Menno, what's was getting worse and worse, and his deteriorating mentally,

1072
01:49:04,000 --> 01:49:12,000
he was letting his business, he, he, out of other people taking care of his businesses and employees started taking care of it to the point where he couldn't function,

1073
01:49:12,000 --> 01:49:15,000
they didn't let up on him.

1074
01:49:15,000 --> 01:49:19,000
You know, if I have to say that I have a moral problem with anything, and definitely that's one of them.

1075
01:49:19,000 --> 01:49:29,000
They went way too far. I don't, apparently it was worth it to them that somebody was going crazy and was maybe going to die and losing his touch with reality,

1076
01:49:29,000 --> 01:49:36,000
as long as these, these projects were covered up and protected.

1077
01:49:36,000 --> 01:49:42,000
When, you know, in the first place all they had to do was tell him to cut it out, and they didn't, and by that time it was too late.

1078
01:49:43,000 --> 01:49:52,000
So it was handled very badly. One weird thing that happened later was whether this is true or not, or sincere or not.

1079
01:49:52,000 --> 01:50:04,000
Richard Dodie said he went and visited Paul Menno, it's in the hospital once. Not when he was not when he was in for his, the first time for having an nervous breakdown, but later.

1080
01:50:05,000 --> 01:50:12,000
I really affected his health. I mean, he was sick off and on for the rest of his life. I couldn't have talked to him anyway when I got there. He was he had been sick for so many years.

1081
01:50:12,000 --> 01:50:18,000
He wasn't in any condition to be taught to be interviewed, and his family would never have let me do it.

1082
01:50:18,000 --> 01:50:25,000
But Dodie said he went to the hospital and, well, Paul was in the hospital because he'd actually become friends with him. They had so much interaction and they know,

1083
01:50:25,000 --> 01:50:32,000
and there was so much that other people didn't know that they had formed this kind of bond in friendship. And he said, I felt bad about it. So I went to the hospital and I said,

1084
01:50:32,000 --> 01:50:38,000
Finally said, you know, Paul, a lot of that stuff we told you was just not true. It was meant to cover up stuff that was going on at the base.

1085
01:50:38,000 --> 01:50:41,000
And he said, Paul looked at me and he said, no, it wasn't. It was true.

1086
01:50:41,000 --> 01:50:53,000
Even after Dodie told him at that point that he had been lying to him, then it was so far gone into that world. He didn't even believe when somebody was the person that had been lying to him,

1087
01:50:53,000 --> 01:51:15,000
the whole time told him about it and admitted it. So it got, it just, the very sad story, but it also has a lesson which is like Sandra said in her introduction is not to confuse the authority of the truth of the message with the authority of the figure like Paul, then it was did.

1088
01:51:15,000 --> 01:51:22,000
And then conversely, actually not to think that every time somebody from intelligence comes and talks to you that they're lying to you.

1089
01:51:22,000 --> 01:51:34,000
Yes, well, of course they're lying to you, but not all the time. And that's another issue here with dealing with intelligence people and former intelligence people and UFOs subject.

1090
01:51:34,000 --> 01:51:42,000
If they want to help you, they'll help you. But you have to pay attention and you have to realize like Bill Morris said that you're playing a game.

1091
01:51:42,000 --> 01:51:48,000
And if you don't play the game, you get nothing. If you do play the game, you play by their rules.

1092
01:51:48,000 --> 01:51:58,000
And you're at the bottom of the barrel there. You have to take what they throw at you and probably sit on it for days, weeks, months, years until you find out if it's true or not.

1093
01:51:58,000 --> 01:52:08,000
I don't know if, you know, I'm pretty sure a lot of stuff I said in the book is as true as I can find out. But then I found out more stuff afterwards, which I've talked to you about here.

1094
01:52:08,000 --> 01:52:18,000
So it's a very weird game and a very, a times paranoia inducing game, but eventually you get tired of the paranoia and you just get interested in the game.

1095
01:52:18,000 --> 01:52:24,000
And I still think it's very interesting. And if I find another story like this, I'd love to write about it.

1096
01:52:38,000 --> 01:52:46,000
Thank you.