1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:23,000 Music 2 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:27,000 Some of you are not going to like what I'm going to say tonight 3 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:32,000 because what I'm going to say will seem unbelievable to some of you 4 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:37,000 and I understand that because it's therefore unacceptable 5 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:42,000 Some of you will say, well, you know, some of this stuff I can believe 6 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:46,000 but the other stuff I don't know about 7 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:50,000 and the rest of you will say, well, I've known it all the time 8 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:52,000 Alright? 9 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:59,000 Okay, what you're going to hear this evening is really a personal journey of discovery 10 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:05,000 I have to explain to you after all of that business of the various aerospace companies that I've worked with 11 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:12,000 I have never come across anything having to do with anti-gravity, with UFOs or extraterrestrial beings 12 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:17,000 I'm sorry, that's just the truth 13 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:21,000 Well, I've been on a number of interviews 14 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,000 actually dozens of interviews 15 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:30,000 and the host usually asks, how did you get started in UFO research? 16 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:34,000 And I said, well, it started when I was eight years old 17 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:38,000 and I would come home at the end of the day from school 18 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:41,000 and I'd watch a program called Space Patrol 19 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:45,000 Does anybody remember that at all? 20 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:47,000 One 21 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:51,000 Remember Commander Buzz Corey and Cadet Happy? 22 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:53,000 Good for you 23 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:57,000 This was about a small crew manning a rocket ship 24 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:01,000 and they would zip around the galaxy and take care of bad guys 25 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:06,000 and save spacefarers who were in distress 26 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:10,000 A couple of years later when I was ten years old 27 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:12,000 that was in fifth grade 28 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:16,000 One of my schoolmates gave me a book called 29 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:19,000 Flying Saucers Have Landed by George Adamski 30 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:21,000 You've read it too, right? 31 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:22,000 Yeah 32 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:23,000 Okay 33 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:26,000 And then shortly after that 34 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:29,000 Major Donald Kehoe came out with his 35 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:31,000 He's one of several books 36 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:34,000 The one I read was Flying Saucers from Outer Space 37 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:36,000 Major Kehoe was a pilot 38 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:37,000 A former marine pilot 39 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:40,000 And he had a number of contacts in the Pentagon 40 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,000 And after I read that at age ten 41 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:45,000 I realized that there was a reality to UFOs 42 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:49,000 What we're going to be talking about tonight 43 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:52,000 Really is not about extraterrestrial UFOs 44 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:54,000 Although those are real too 45 00:02:54,000 --> 00:03:02,000 The topic tonight is the Antelope Valley Area 51 connection 46 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:06,000 And basically it consists of what I'm going to be talking about 47 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:11,000 Is the US Anti-Gravity Technology Program 48 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:13,000 Here are the topics 49 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:15,000 We're going to cover the Antelope Valley 50 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:18,000 And if I say something that's incorrect about the Antelope Valley 51 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,000 You tell me 52 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:23,000 Lockheed Martin Skunk Works 53 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:27,000 Then what I've called the Secret Saucer Base Expeditions 54 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:31,000 RCS stands for Radar Cross-Section Facilities 55 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,000 Northrop Grumman 56 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:36,000 We'll be talking about Stealth and Antigravity Technology 57 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:40,000 And then the famous Ben Rich 1993 UCLA Lecture 58 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:42,000 About time, about that time 59 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:44,000 I think it'd be a good point to take a break 60 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:48,000 Then we'll talk about the Tikaboo Valley in Nevada 61 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,000 Groom Lake 62 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:52,000 Project Aquarius 63 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,000 Project Galileo 64 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:57,000 Papus Lake and the S-4 facility Level 1 65 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:00,000 And then the S-4 whistleblowers 66 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:05,000 All right 67 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:08,000 Where is the Antelope Valley? 68 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:13,000 I'll have to just point here 69 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:16,000 This is the 5 freeway 70 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,000 Going north from Los Angeles 71 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:23,000 You take the 14 freeway all the way out to Palmdale 72 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:25,000 And here's Lancaster 73 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:27,000 And up here is Mojave 74 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,000 I'll be talking about that 75 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:33,000 And then I'm going to be mentioning Edwards Air Force Base up here 76 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:36,000 And then a small town called Yano 77 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:39,000 And then about out in here is Hellendale 78 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:44,000 And at about this point in Kern County 79 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,000 I'll be talking about a facility called the Ant Hill 80 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:54,000 The Antelope Valley can be very beautiful as you can see 81 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:57,000 But also has lots of wind sometimes 82 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,000 And it gets a little warm 83 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:04,000 Believe it or not, these are some 84 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:07,000 But not all of the aerospace companies that are in the Antelope Valley 85 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:13,000 Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, Boeing are all in Palmdale 86 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:18,000 The U.S. Air Force and NASA are out at Edwards Air Force Base 87 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:21,000 And then out in Mojave at Mojave Airport 88 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:26,000 You have Scaled Composites, BA Systems, and the Spaceship Company 89 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:32,000 So this is really America's Aerospace R&D Workshop 90 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:40,000 This is the Palmdale facility 91 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:43,000 It's on the Sierra Highway in Palmdale 92 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:46,000 Of Lockheed Martin 93 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:51,000 And the gentleman that you see over on the right there 94 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,000 On the far right is Kelly Johnson 95 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:57,000 Who was the mentor to Ben Rich 96 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:00,000 Ben Rich took over at the Lockheed Martin Skunk Works 97 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:03,000 When Kelly Johnson retired 98 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:07,000 You notice one of his quotes here 99 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:09,000 It says Kelly Johnson said 100 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,000 Be quick, be quiet, and be on time 101 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,000 Now in the aerospace industry 102 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:18,000 They say that you can have schedule 103 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,000 Or cost or performance 104 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:23,000 And actually you can have any two of those 105 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:24,000 But you can't have all three 106 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,000 If that makes sense 107 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,000 And if you notice 108 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:31,000 He says be quick, and be on time 109 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:32,000 That's schedule 110 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:34,000 And be quiet 111 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,000 But he doesn't say anything about 112 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:37,000 Keep the cost low 113 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:43,000 That's your taxpayer dollar in action 114 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:49,000 Lockheed Martin over the years 115 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:52,000 Has produced any number of craft 116 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,000 Both aircraft and sea craft 117 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:59,000 Now most of you probably recognize the U-2 over here 118 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:02,000 This was why Area 51 was established 119 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:06,000 To be able to test the U-2 120 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:11,000 Which was originally advertised as a high altitude research aircraft 121 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:15,000 And of course it was used as a reconnaissance aircraft 122 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:18,000 Over China and Russia 123 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:22,000 The craft in the right hand corner 124 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,000 Is called the sea shadow 125 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:27,000 And about 18 years ago 126 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:30,000 I had a chance to ask Ben Rich 127 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:34,000 The former president of Lockheed Martin Skunk Works 128 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:36,000 About this 129 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:39,000 And he said that they built this for the U-S Navy 130 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,000 As a stealth ship 131 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,000 And he said they went 132 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,000 They took it out for a cruise 133 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,000 And checked it out 134 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,000 And then didn't know what to do with it 135 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,000 And so then they mothballed it 136 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:57,000 Now as a trained engineer 137 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:59,000 That's the last thing that any engineer 138 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:02,000 Who has developed a device or a tool or a craft 139 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:03,000 Wants to do 140 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:04,000 You perfect something 141 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:07,000 And then they put it on the shelf 142 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:09,000 That's not what we want to do 143 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:12,000 Engineers want to prove it 144 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:13,000 And use it 145 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:15,000 Keep that in mind 146 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,000 In 147 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,000 Oh around the early 90s 148 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,000 Maybe 1991 149 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:30,000 I was at the UFO West Expo 150 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:33,000 At LAX 151 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:38,000 And there were two gentlemen 152 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,000 Standing behind a table 153 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:42,000 And they had a big banner 154 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:44,000 It said 155 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:47,000 Secret Saucer Base Expeditions 156 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:51,000 I had to ask 157 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:53,000 What that was 158 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:55,000 And I introduced myself 159 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:57,000 And behind the table 160 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:58,000 Was Gary Schultz 161 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,000 And Norio Hayakawa 162 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,000 Does that ring any bells 163 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:03,000 With anybody at all? 164 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:04,000 Yes 165 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,000 Where did you meet Gary? 166 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:08,000 No, Norio 167 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:09,000 Norio 168 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:10,000 Did you? 169 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:11,000 Oh very good 170 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:15,000 Did you go to the ones that he organized himself? 171 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:16,000 He organized himself? 172 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:17,000 The two of them? 173 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:18,000 No 174 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:19,000 Okay 175 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:22,000 They were in Los Angeles 176 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:27,000 Gary is the one in the tie 177 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:32,000 And I always mention Gary and Norio 178 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:36,000 Because they helped me sort a lot of this out 179 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:37,000 And it was not 180 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:38,000 It's not an easy thing to do 181 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:41,000 First of all 182 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:43,000 They said that they would take us 183 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:50,000 To a series of secret bases in the Antelope Valley 184 00:09:50,000 --> 00:10:01,000 They said that these bases were originally designed to do one thing 185 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:04,000 But they were also being used for doing something else 186 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:09,000 And that something else was basically developing and fabricating flying discs 187 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:14,000 So I said well I was living in Lancaster at the time 188 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,000 I lived there for about six years 189 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:22,000 And I asked them well let me join your tour 190 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:26,000 And they said I said where is it? 191 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:28,000 And he said well we meet next Saturday in Lancaster 192 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:31,000 So I said terrific that's convenient 193 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:32,000 That's convenient 194 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:38,000 So this was the first radar cross section facility that they took us to 195 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:41,000 And that's officially what it's called 196 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:44,000 Basically what they do is to 197 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:48,000 They mount on one of these pylons 198 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:51,000 A model of whatever craft they want to test 199 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:55,000 And then they basically fire radar waves at that model 200 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:58,000 And then they measure the bounce back 201 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:01,000 And obviously the less bounce back 202 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:04,000 The more stealthy that particular craft is 203 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:09,000 Now Gary said we were going to go out and take a look at one of these facilities 204 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:13,000 And it had a moving building on rails 205 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:16,000 And we finally got up to a top of a hill 206 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,000 And this is the moving building 207 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,000 It's actually on rails 208 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,000 And what they do is 209 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:23,000 They have a 210 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:27,000 There's a pylon inside this facility 211 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:29,000 They mount a model inside of it 212 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:31,000 And the facility 213 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,000 The actual structure 214 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:34,000 The shelter there 215 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:38,000 Is to keep them from being exposed to too much wind 216 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:39,000 Or sun 217 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:41,000 Or prying eyes like we were 218 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:46,000 And this happened to be owned at the time 219 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:48,000 By McDonnell Douglas 220 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:51,000 And Gary told us that this facility 221 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:53,000 Had an underground 222 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:55,000 Underground structures 223 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:58,000 Where they were also building 224 00:11:58,000 --> 00:11:59,000 As I said 225 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:00,000 Flying disks 226 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:04,000 Well that didn't seem to be too impressive to me 227 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:07,000 But one thing that did look a little unusual 228 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:08,000 Is from our angle 229 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:10,000 We were able to see the craft 230 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,000 That was mounted on the pylon 231 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:14,000 But inside the building 232 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:16,000 And it had a manta ray design 233 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:26,000 This is a close up of the Lockheed Martin facility in Hellendale 234 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:29,000 And it just shows roughly what they look like 235 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:32,000 Some are taller than others 236 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,000 And the amount of model 237 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:35,000 It could be full scale 238 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:37,000 Or it could be quarter scale 239 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:38,000 Whatever 240 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:39,000 It doesn't make any difference really 241 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:42,000 And this is how they measure the bounce back 242 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,000 Of the radar signals 243 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:48,000 The next facility that he took us to 244 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:49,000 Was in Hellendale 245 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:54,000 Now this is the eastern side of the Antelope Valley 246 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:58,000 And it's difficult looking at this photograph 247 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:01,000 How big this actually is 248 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:04,000 These are 249 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:05,000 There's one pylon here 250 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:06,000 And one pylon there 251 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,000 And then this is the control area 252 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:09,000 The control buildings 253 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:13,000 Where they have the radar dishes mounted 254 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:18,000 And then they fire the radar down towards the model 255 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:19,000 Wherever it might be 256 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:25,000 Now in 1993 I asked Ben Rich 257 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:27,000 I said 258 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:32,000 You know in Hellendale you have a massive underground facility 259 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:34,000 Massive 260 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,000 And I said 261 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,000 What do you do down there? 262 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:40,000 And he said 263 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:41,000 It's a model shop 264 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:45,000 Well to get an idea 265 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:46,000 Of the size of this 266 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:49,000 Just look at this structure right down here 267 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:56,000 That is the entrance to the underground facility 268 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:57,000 Two lane road 269 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:59,000 A very large door 270 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:01,000 Some model shop 271 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:02,000 Some model shop 272 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:11,000 Now let's talk about the Northrop Grumman facilities 273 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:16,000 Do we have any aircraft spotters in the audience? 274 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:17,000 No? 275 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:19,000 No one wants to volunteer? 276 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:20,000 Okay 277 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:21,000 Okay 278 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:23,000 Well the 279 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:27,000 Left in the upper right there 280 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:31,000 Is not the B-2 stealth bomber 281 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:34,000 That is Jack Northrop's 282 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:37,000 YB-49 flying wing 283 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:39,000 Which was built in the late 40's 284 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:43,000 And this is a rather historic photo 285 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:46,000 Because this is Jack Northrop right here 286 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:49,000 Surrounded by the B-2 design team 287 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:59,000 Now this is a photograph of the B-2 288 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:01,000 And in March 289 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:02,000 On March 2nd 290 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:04,000 In the issue of 291 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:06,000 March 2nd 1992 I believe 292 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:11,000 Issue of Aviation Week and Space Technology 293 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,000 There was an article that said 294 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:17,000 That the B-2 leading edge 295 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:20,000 Was being positively charged 296 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:21,000 In other words 297 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:22,000 Think of a battery 298 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:24,000 You have plus and minus right? 299 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:25,000 Okay? 300 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:26,000 Two different charges 301 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:27,000 And the article said 302 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:29,000 That the leading edge of the B-2 303 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:32,000 Was being charged with a positive charge 304 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:35,000 And it also said 305 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:39,000 That the exhaust gases 306 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:40,000 Were being charged 307 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:41,000 Negatively charged 308 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:44,000 Presumably for stealth purposes 309 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:47,000 Well does that 310 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:50,000 Do we have any physicists in the audience 311 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:51,000 That might have an idea 312 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:52,000 Of what this might be? 313 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:55,000 What is it? 314 00:15:58,000 --> 00:15:59,000 Exactly 315 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:01,000 He asked 316 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:02,000 I asked 317 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:03,000 What it was 318 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:05,000 And he said 319 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:06,000 That it's an electro 320 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:09,000 Gravitic propulsion technique 321 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:11,000 And let me explain this 322 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:13,000 This is a little hard 323 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:14,000 Hard to do here 324 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:17,000 Okay 325 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:21,000 Now 326 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:24,000 This is basically how it works 327 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:25,000 And it's called 328 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:28,000 The B-field Brown effect 329 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:30,000 And basically 330 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:31,000 If you have 331 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:32,000 A metal plate 332 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:33,000 Like this 333 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:35,000 On top 334 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:36,000 On top 335 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:40,000 And 336 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:41,000 You have 337 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:42,000 A 338 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:43,000 Another metal plate 339 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:44,000 On the bottom 340 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:45,000 And you charge 341 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:46,000 The top plate 342 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:47,000 Positively 343 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:48,000 And the 344 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:49,000 Lower plate 345 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:50,000 Negatively 346 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:51,000 And 347 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:52,000 And 348 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:53,000 If you put 349 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:54,000 In a dielectric 350 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:55,000 In between 351 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:56,000 A dielectric 352 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:57,000 Is simply 353 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:58,000 A material 354 00:16:58,000 --> 00:16:59,000 That does not 355 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:00,000 Conduct 356 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:01,000 DC 357 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:02,000 Current 358 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:03,000 Alright 359 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:04,000 So 360 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:05,000 You've got this 361 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:06,000 Charged 362 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:07,000 Positively 363 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:08,000 On top 364 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:09,000 Negatively 365 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:10,000 On the bottom 366 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:11,000 The effect was 367 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:12,000 That the disc 368 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:13,000 Will rise 369 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:14,000 Vertically 370 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:17,000 Or 371 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:18,000 Put it another way 372 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:19,000 If you charge 373 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:20,000 The front of something 374 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,000 Positively 375 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:23,000 And the back of something 376 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:24,000 Negatively 377 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:25,000 It will move 378 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:26,000 In the positive direction 379 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:27,000 I hope that's 380 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:28,000 Reasonably clear 381 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:38,000 Now what happens 382 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:39,000 If 383 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:41,000 If the B2 there 384 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:43,000 Moves a little faster 385 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:46,000 Once you charge it that way 386 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:50,000 Well what happens is 387 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:51,000 It will make 388 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:52,000 The velocity 389 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:53,000 A little faster 390 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:54,000 Now 391 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:55,000 The B2 392 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:56,000 Has 393 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:57,000 0.95 394 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:58,000 Mach 395 00:17:58,000 --> 00:17:59,000 Which means 396 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:00,000 It's just 397 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:01,000 Under 398 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:02,000 The speed of sound 399 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:03,000 Now 400 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:04,000 By applying 401 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:05,000 Those charges 402 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:06,000 Does that mean 403 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:07,000 The B2 is 404 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:08,000 Supersonic 405 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:09,000 I 406 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:10,000 Can't say that 407 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:11,000 But 408 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:12,000 I can say 409 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:13,000 That 410 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:14,000 Charging it with a positive 411 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:15,000 On the front 412 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:16,000 And negative on the back 413 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:17,000 Will create 414 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:18,000 What they call 415 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:19,000 A 416 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:20,000 A gravity well 417 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:21,000 In front of the plane 418 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:22,000 And 419 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:23,000 A gravity hill 420 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,000 On the back of the plane 421 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:26,000 And 422 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,000 It will essentially 423 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:29,000 The B2 424 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:30,000 Would essentially 425 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:31,000 Ride 426 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:33,000 A gravity wave 427 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:34,000 And 428 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:35,000 If the pilots 429 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:36,000 Pull back 430 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:37,000 On the throttle 431 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:40,000 In theory 432 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:41,000 This might 433 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:42,000 Just ride 434 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:43,000 A gravity wave 435 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:44,000 Once it's 436 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:45,000 Stabilized its speed 437 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,000 And 438 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:48,000 Consume 439 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:49,000 A lot less fuel 440 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:50,000 Think about it 441 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:54,000 Now 442 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:55,000 This is a photograph 443 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:57,000 Of T. Townsend Brown 444 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:58,000 If you'll notice 445 00:18:58,000 --> 00:18:59,000 He's holding 446 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:00,000 Something similar 447 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:01,000 To what I just had 448 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:02,000 And 449 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:03,000 He 450 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:04,000 And 451 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:05,000 Dr. Paul 452 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:06,000 Bfield 453 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:07,000 Discovered this effect 454 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:09,000 Brown 455 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:10,000 Started 456 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:11,000 Researching it 457 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:12,000 In the late 20's 458 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:13,000 And 459 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:14,000 They continued on 460 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:15,000 Until they 461 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:16,000 Demonstrated this 462 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:17,000 Effect 463 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:18,000 To the Navy 464 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:19,000 In 465 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:20,000 Pearl Harbor 466 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:21,000 In 1953 467 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:22,000 And then suddenly 468 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:23,000 His entire project 469 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:24,000 Went black 470 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:25,000 In other words 471 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:26,000 No one heard 472 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:27,000 About it anymore 473 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:29,000 Now 474 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:37,000 Since we don't have 475 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:38,000 Any aircraft 476 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:39,000 Identifiers in this 477 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:40,000 Audience 478 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,000 To look at 479 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:43,000 This little 480 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:44,000 Craft here 481 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:48,000 Any wild guesses 482 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:49,000 As to what that might be 483 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:51,000 Well that 484 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:52,000 Is a drawing 485 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:53,000 Is a drawing 486 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:54,000 That's been imposed 487 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:55,000 On this obviously 488 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:56,000 And 489 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:57,000 This is the world's 490 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:58,000 First 491 00:19:58,000 --> 00:19:59,000 Stealth 492 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:00,000 Fighter bomber 493 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:01,000 Built in 1944 494 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:02,000 By the Horton brothers 495 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:13,000 In Nazi Germany 496 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:14,000 It's the first 497 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:15,000 Stealth 498 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:20,000 Fighter bomber 499 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:23,000 This is what it looked like 500 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:26,000 It's almost like a mini B2 isn't it? 501 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,000 And I can assure you 502 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:31,000 That before Northrop Grumman 503 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:32,000 Built the B2 504 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,000 They fully studied 505 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:35,000 The Horton 9 506 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,000 Sometimes it's called 507 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,000 The GOTA 229 508 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:40,000 And sometimes 509 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:41,000 It's mistakenly called 510 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:42,000 The Horton 229 511 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:48,000 Now 512 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:50,000 In the upper left hand corner 513 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:51,000 This is the first flight 514 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,000 Of the Horton 9 515 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,000 I would imagine 516 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,000 In around 1944 517 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:00,000 The photograph 518 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,000 In the upper right hand corner 519 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,000 Is what the Horton 9 520 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:05,000 Looks like today 521 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,000 You can actually see this 522 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,000 At the Paul Garver 523 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:10,000 Restoration Facility 524 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:11,000 In Suitland, Maryland 525 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:14,000 This is a restoration facility 526 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:15,000 Of the Smithsonian 527 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:16,000 You have to make 528 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,000 An appointment to go there 529 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,000 But you can see it 530 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:21,000 Now remember 531 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:22,000 I just said 532 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,000 That Northrop Grumman 533 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:25,000 Studied the Horton 9 534 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,000 Very carefully 535 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,000 What you're looking at 536 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:30,000 Is a full scale 537 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:34,000 Radar cross section model 538 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,000 Built by Northrop Grumman 539 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:40,000 Before they actually managed 540 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,000 Manufactured the B2 541 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:43,000 And they fully studied it 542 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,000 And as you can see 543 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,000 The lower right hand corner 544 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:48,000 You'll see the 545 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,000 The Horton 9 546 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,000 Full scale RCS model 547 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,000 Mounted on a very large pylon 548 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:55,000 In a facility called 549 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:56,000 The Ant Hill 550 00:21:56,000 --> 00:22:06,000 Now when 551 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:07,000 The Horton 9 552 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:08,000 First flew 553 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:09,000 Successfully 554 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:12,000 Rikes Marshal Goering 555 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,000 Gave the Horton brothers 556 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,000 An immediate assignment 557 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,000 And that was to build 558 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,000 The Horton 19 559 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:21,000 Or 18 560 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:22,000 Excuse me 561 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:23,000 The Horton 18 562 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,000 Stealth bomber 563 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,000 Now this bomber 564 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:28,000 Was intended 565 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,000 To deliver the atomic bomb 566 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:31,000 To New York City 567 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:32,000 In Washington D.C. 568 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:33,000 In 1946 569 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:40,000 The drawing in the lower 570 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:41,000 Right hand corner 571 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:45,000 Is modeled after many 572 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:48,000 Of the German plans 573 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,000 That were found 574 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:51,000 After the war 575 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,000 I don't know that they 576 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:54,000 Actually fabricated 577 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:55,000 Any flying discs 578 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,000 But they were certainly 579 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:58,000 Thinking about it 580 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,000 Now 581 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:03,000 One point that I'd like to make 582 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:04,000 Is that 583 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,000 If Nazi Germany 584 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:07,000 Was concerned about 585 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,000 Intercontinental 586 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,000 Stealth bombers 587 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,000 Stealth fighter bombers 588 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,000 What they call 589 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:17,000 The death ray 590 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,000 And during the war 591 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,000 That would be a laser today 592 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,000 They were researching 593 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:24,000 Atomic bombs 594 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,000 The hydrogen bomb 595 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:31,000 Why not 596 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:32,000 Anti-gravity 597 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:37,000 Doesn't that make sense 598 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,000 Basically 599 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:44,000 Gravitation had been studied 600 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,000 Anti-gravitation had been studied 601 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:47,000 Since the 20s 602 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,000 In Germany 603 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,000 Dr. Walter Gerlach 604 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:54,000 Led those research studies 605 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:59,000 And in 1944 606 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,000 Allegedly 607 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:05,000 There was a Nazi German project 608 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,000 Research project 609 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:08,000 Located on the border 610 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:09,000 Of Poland 611 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:12,000 And Czechoslovakia 612 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:15,000 It was located inside 613 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:18,000 The Wenceslas mine 614 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,000 Where they had located 615 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,000 This device 616 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:24,000 That you see on the right 617 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,000 It was about 618 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:27,000 Nine feet in diameter 619 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:28,000 And maybe 620 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,000 Twelve to fifteen feet 621 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:31,000 Tall 622 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,000 And I might also add 623 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:35,000 That it had some 624 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,000 Rather unusual script 625 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:38,000 Around the outside 626 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,000 What was this intended to do? 627 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:42,000 What was that research project 628 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:43,000 All about? 629 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,000 First they wanted to 630 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:46,000 Significantly reduce 631 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:47,000 The amount of oil 632 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:48,000 That was imported 633 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,000 Into Germany 634 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,000 Secondly 635 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:53,000 They wanted to research 636 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,000 Anti-gravity 637 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:56,000 And the third reason 638 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,000 Was they wanted to develop 639 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,000 A war-winning weapon 640 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,000 They called it 641 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,000 A Kriegsendenden 642 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:06,000 Pardon the German 643 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,000 But that's as I can come 644 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:09,000 That means 645 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,000 Decisi for the war 646 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:12,000 And it was 647 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:13,000 This was the highest level 648 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,000 Of priority 649 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,000 In Nazi Germany 650 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:18,000 At the time 651 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,000 Well what was it? 652 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,000 The outside shell 653 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:23,000 Was a ceramic 654 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,000 Inside 655 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:26,000 They had 656 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:30,000 They had 657 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,000 A device 658 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,000 Which rotated 659 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:35,000 There were two drums 660 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:36,000 That rotated 661 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:42,000 And the liquid inside 662 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,000 Was what they called 663 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:45,000 Red mercury 664 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:49,000 It was cooled 665 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,000 By liquid hydrogen 666 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:52,000 Or liquid nitrogen 667 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,000 And it was also 668 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:55,000 Powered by 669 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,000 A high voltage line 670 00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:59,000 That came from 671 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:00,000 A power station 672 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:01,000 Outside the mine 673 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,000 And when it operated 674 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:05,000 It put out a blue glow 675 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:10,000 Now just outside the mine 676 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,000 There was this 677 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:14,000 This round facility 678 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,000 Perfectly round 679 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:18,000 And it was in 680 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:19,000 Sort of a trough 681 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:20,000 And there were 682 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:21,000 High voltage lines 683 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:22,000 Coming from a 684 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,000 High voltage generation 685 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:26,000 System 686 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:27,000 That was also 687 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,000 Located very close by 688 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:34,000 Now some of the local people 689 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,000 Said that they observed 690 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:38,000 A dark 691 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,000 Barrel-like device 692 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,000 Approximately in the location 693 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,000 Of this circular structure 694 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,000 That went up vertically 695 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,000 To some height 696 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:51,000 Hovered 697 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,000 And then came back down 698 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:59,000 I might then mention that 699 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,000 Dr. Walter Gerlach 700 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:03,000 And a doctor 701 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:04,000 Kurt Debus 702 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:08,000 Were two of the very few people 703 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:09,000 On this team 704 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,000 That escaped at the end of the war 705 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,000 General, Nazi general 706 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:15,000 Or I should say 707 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:16,000 SS general 708 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,000 Hans Kammler 709 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,000 Assigned a 710 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,000 An execution squad 711 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,000 To execute everybody else 712 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:25,000 To execute everybody else 713 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:26,000 In this team 714 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:33,000 By the way 715 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,000 Dr. Kurt Debus 716 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,000 Was brought to the U.S. 717 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,000 As part of Operation Paperclip 718 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,000 If 719 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,000 If you know about that 720 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,000 And he later became the director 721 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:49,000 Of Kennedy Space Center 722 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,000 And he was an electrical engineer 723 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:53,000 No less 724 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:57,000 Now let's get on to 725 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,000 The Northrop Grumman facility 726 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:04,000 This is located just over 727 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:05,000 The Kern County line 728 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,000 It's owned by Northrop Grumman 729 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,000 And it's called the Ant Hill 730 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,000 And according to the stories 731 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,000 That Gary Schultz told me 732 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,000 This facility was built 733 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,000 In three phases 734 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,000 The first phase 735 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,000 Was this section right here 736 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,000 And then some years went by 737 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,000 And then according to Gary Schultz 738 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,000 There were a number of 739 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,000 Concrete trucks 740 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,000 That were lined up outside 741 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,000 This facility 742 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,000 And as each truck approached 743 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:51,000 The main gate 744 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,000 The driver would get out 745 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,000 And someone else would 746 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,000 Take over the concrete truck 747 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,000 And they would enter this building here 748 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,000 And they would be 749 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,000 Basically lifted down 750 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:13,000 To whatever levels had been added 751 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,000 To this facility 752 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:19,000 Supposedly there are seven underground levels 753 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,000 And they brought in concrete truck 754 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:23,000 After concrete truck 755 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,000 And so there is supposed to be 756 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:27,000 This is why they call it the Ant Hill 757 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:32,000 This is supposed to be a large underground facility 758 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:38,000 The last phase of the construction 759 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:42,000 Were sections over here 760 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:52,000 Now my former wife was a state farm agent 761 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,000 In Lancaster 762 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:55,000 And she still is 763 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,000 And so we met a number of people 764 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,000 In the aerospace business 765 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,000 And one of them happened to be a pilot 766 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,000 And he called my wife one day 767 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,000 And he said would you like to go on a flight 768 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,000 Around the Antelope Valley 769 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:13,000 And of course we accepted right away 770 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:14,000 Right away 771 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,000 And I said well 772 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:17,000 Where can we go? 773 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:18,000 Anywhere you want 774 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,000 So I said okay 775 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:24,000 Let's go to Yano, Hellendale, and the Ant Hill 776 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:28,000 So we flew over all of these facilities 777 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:41,000 Now the day that we happened to overfly it 778 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:45,000 This was open 779 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:50,000 In other words it was like an ICBM silo cover 780 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,000 If you can imagine that 781 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:56,000 It's sort of like a clamshell that opens up 782 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,000 In the case of an ICBM site 783 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:00,000 They open up the doors 784 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,000 And then they launch the missile 785 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:06,000 Well I could actually see these doors open 786 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,000 And of course it was black down there 787 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:10,000 I couldn't see anything more 788 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:14,000 But there is definitely a facility for opening these doors 789 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:23,000 Now this is what Gary Schultz saw 790 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,000 One evening 791 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,000 When he was standing up on the hillside there 792 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,000 Just watching the Ant Hill facility 793 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,000 His claim is that he was watching this 794 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,000 And the doors opened 795 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,000 He could then see a light inside 796 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,000 And a flying disc elevated out 797 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,000 And left the scene very rapidly 798 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,000 Believe it or not 799 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:56,000 Now you can actually do that yourself 800 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,000 There is a plateau up above the Ant Hill 801 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:03,000 And there is a road leading up there 802 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,000 It's not easy to find 803 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:09,000 But all of the directions to these RCS facilities are in my book 804 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,000 And that's described as well 805 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:21,000 Now a little bit later on 806 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:22,000 A few years later on 807 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:32,000 I had an opportunity to meet Mark McCandlish 808 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,000 Has he had a chance to speak here at all? 809 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:36,000 No? 810 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:37,000 Yes? 811 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:38,000 Yes? 812 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:39,000 He's been here 813 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:40,000 Okay 814 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,000 Mark McCandlish is a very talented technical illustrator 815 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,000 And you've probably seen his artwork 816 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:50,000 In popular science for example 817 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:55,000 He had a very close friend of his 818 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,000 Who he met in grade school 819 00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:02,000 And his name was Brad Sorenson 820 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:07,000 Now as the story goes 821 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,000 Now this is sort of an anecdotal story 822 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,000 But as the story goes 823 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:18,000 Brad Sorenson was asked by Frank Carlucci 824 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:22,000 Who was then the Secretary of the Department of Defense 825 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:27,000 To go with him to Norton Air Force Base 826 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,000 This is some years ago 827 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:34,000 And during the Thunderbird show 828 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,000 They were also having an air show 829 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,000 So during the Thunderbird part of the air show 830 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:44,000 Secretary Carlucci took Brad Sorenson 831 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,000 To what they called the big hangar 832 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,000 And they walked inside 833 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:53,000 No one really challenged Frank Carlucci 834 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:57,000 And inside they had three flying discs 835 00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,000 All in operation 836 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,000 Untethered 837 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,000 Hovering above the ground 838 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:07,000 They had a little bear 839 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,000 They had a mama bear 840 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:10,000 And they have a papa bear 841 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,000 Generally speaking 25 feet in diameter 842 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,000 It was the smallest one 843 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,000 Next one was 60 feet in diameter 844 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:18,000 Approximately 845 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,000 And the other one was 140 feet in diameter 846 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:25,000 All hovering without any external power or support 847 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:30,000 Unfortunately a friend of mine 848 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,000 By the name of John Williams 849 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:37,000 Who happened to be a colonel in the Air Force at the time 850 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,000 Was actually based at Norton at the time 851 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,000 And unfortunately he couldn't be here tonight 852 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,000 But he could give you the same story 853 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,000 Anyway, when Brad Sorenson got back 854 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,000 And had a chance to talk to Mark McCandlish 855 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:58,000 He described what the smallest device looked like 856 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:04,000 And this is Mark McCandlish's version of that 857 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:09,000 This is a very large capacitor down here 858 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:13,000 These are oxygen tanks 859 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:18,000 There are four seats up here 860 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,000 There are no windows 861 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,000 Everything is done with cameras 862 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:27,000 This is like the remote manipulator arm 863 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,000 On the space shuttle 864 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,000 It's in the storage position here 865 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,000 But it basically comes out 866 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:35,000 And can grasp something 867 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:40,000 Now this column contains something 868 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,000 Any guesses what it might be? 869 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:48,000 Sorry? 870 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,000 Well that's part of it 871 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,000 But the point is 872 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,000 It happens to be Mercury 873 00:35:54,000 --> 00:36:00,000 Does that ring a bell with the Deglaca? 874 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,000 That had red mercury inside 875 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,000 Alright, we're now going to talk about 876 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:17,000 The fairly well known Ben Rich lecture 877 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,000 In 1993 878 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,000 At the UCLA Alumni Center 879 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:33,000 I was invited by a friend 880 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:37,000 And we had no idea who Ben Rich was 881 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,000 It was supposed to be just somebody 882 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,000 Who was going to give a history of 883 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,000 Lockheed Corporation and Lockheed Martin 884 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,000 But anyway, we went to such things 885 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:51,000 And had no idea what to expect 886 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:56,000 Keep in mind that the Skunk Works 887 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:59,000 Manufactured the SR-71 Blackbird 888 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,000 And as you can see the F-117 Blackbird 889 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:05,000 Plus many others 890 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,000 That I won't mention tonight 891 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:18,000 He started showing some slides 892 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,000 Just like I am 893 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:24,000 And after a while 894 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,000 He said this 895 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,000 He said 896 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,000 If you can imagine it 897 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,000 Lockheed Martin has done it 898 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:34,000 Yeah 899 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:35,000 You know 900 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,000 I'm an old science fiction guy 901 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:38,000 As a kid 902 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:39,000 That was ten years old 903 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:40,000 Right? 904 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:41,000 And I used to watch 905 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,000 All of the science fiction films 906 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,000 And read the science fiction novels 907 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,000 And so I have a big imagination 908 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:53,000 That's the thing about science fiction 909 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,000 It opens your mind 910 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,000 And if you haven't realized that to date 911 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,000 You ought to look into it from that point of view 912 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,000 It opens your mind 913 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,000 Well then he showed a few more slides 914 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:12,000 And then he asked the audience 915 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:17,000 How are we going to get to the stars? 916 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:22,000 Now someone earlier asked about this rocket 917 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,000 That's supposed to go to the moon and Mars in 2025 918 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:28,000 Well I've got news 919 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,000 We're not going to the stars 920 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,000 Using rockets and chemical propellants 921 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,000 Oops, sorry 922 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:43,000 This is the answer 923 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:45,000 To his own question 924 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:48,000 How do we get to the stars? 925 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:49,000 He said 926 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,000 Not by rockets and chemical propellants 927 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,000 But by using a new 928 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,000 New technology 929 00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:00,000 Then he proceeded with a few more slides 930 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:04,000 And then he said this 931 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,000 Lockheed Martin 932 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,000 Now has the technology 933 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:11,000 To go to the stars 934 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,000 To go to the stars 935 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:18,000 Was he joking? 936 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:21,000 You know? 937 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:22,000 Was he joking? 938 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,000 No, he had cancer 939 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,000 And he had less than two years to live 940 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,000 And to me 941 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:32,000 He was saying these things 942 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:36,000 Almost like a pre-death bed confession 943 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:41,000 Now what does that all mean to you? 944 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:42,000 To anybody? 945 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:46,000 Was he just making up 946 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,000 Making up 947 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:53,000 To maybe increase the stock value of Lockheed Martin? 948 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:55,000 I don't think so 949 00:39:58,000 --> 00:39:59,000 Yes, what? 950 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,000 How are they doing it? 951 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,000 How are they doing it? 952 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:07,000 Well 953 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:09,000 Well, it's 954 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:13,000 Basically, I believe that there are several different methods 955 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:15,000 Of achieving anti-gravity 956 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,000 And 957 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:19,000 What they've done 958 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:21,000 Is essentially to 959 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,000 Retrieve crashed extraterrestrial craft 960 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:27,000 And re-engineer them 961 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:29,000 Retro-engineer them 962 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:31,000 Understand how it works 963 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,000 And then build an alien reproduction vehicle 964 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:42,000 Now 965 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,000 The last slide in the presentation 966 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:47,000 Was this 967 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:49,000 An artist's conception 968 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:51,000 Of a flying disc 969 00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,000 Does anybody have any doubts still? 970 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:04,000 Okay, well 971 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:06,000 After 972 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:08,000 His last slide was shown 973 00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:10,000 They went through a Q&A 974 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,000 And 975 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,000 The audience left the auditorium 976 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,000 And the person that invited me 977 00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:20,000 To this meeting 978 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:22,000 Who happens to be 979 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:24,000 Jan Harzan 980 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:26,000 The state section director for Mufon Orange County 981 00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,000 Followed Mr. Rich 982 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:31,000 To the exit door 983 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,000 No one else was around 984 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:36,000 And 985 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:38,000 And 986 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:39,000 Jen 987 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:40,000 Said 988 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:41,000 Mr. Rich 989 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:43,000 How 990 00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:44,000 Do UFOs 991 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:45,000 Work? 992 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:50,000 And Ben Rich said 993 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:51,000 Well, you tell me 994 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,000 How does ESP work? 995 00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:57,000 To me 996 00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:58,000 That means 997 00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:59,000 That 998 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,000 They travel 999 00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:03,000 By 1000 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:04,000 And 1001 00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:05,000 Jan 1002 00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:06,000 And 1003 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:07,000 Jan 1004 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:08,000 Jan 1005 00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:09,000 Said 1006 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:10,000 Well, 1007 00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:11,000 Everything in space and time 1008 00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:12,000 Is connected 1009 00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:14,000 And 1010 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:15,000 Ben Rich said 1011 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:16,000 That's 1012 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:17,000 How UFOs work 1013 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:19,000 Now to me 1014 00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:20,000 That means 1015 00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:22,000 That 1016 00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:24,000 They travel 1017 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:26,000 By 1018 00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,000 Folding space time 1019 00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:30,000 Because 1020 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,000 Everything in the universe is connected 1021 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:33,000 No 1022 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:47,000 This is a photograph of Jim Goodall 1023 00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,000 He's a well-known aviation historian 1024 00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:52,000 Author 1025 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:53,000 And 1026 00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:54,000 As you can see 1027 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,000 He's restoring a SR-71 here 1028 00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:59,000 And he happened to be a very personal friend of Ben Rich 1029 00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:02,000 Unfortunately 1030 00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:04,000 The video 1031 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:05,000 That I 1032 00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:06,000 Want to show 1033 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:07,000 Won't work 1034 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:09,000 I don't think 1035 00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:10,000 But 1036 00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:11,000 We'll try 1037 00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:13,000 And 1038 00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:14,000 Basically 1039 00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,000 I will explain what he said 1040 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:17,000 If 1041 00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:18,000 It doesn't show 1042 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:23,000 Well, anyway 1043 00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:24,000 It shows on my PC 1044 00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,000 Jim 1045 00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:27,000 said 1046 00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:28,000 That 1047 00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:29,000 He was 1048 00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:30,000 On 1049 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:31,000 At 1050 00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,000 Ben Rich's 1051 00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:34,000 Last 1052 00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:35,000 10 days 1053 00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:36,000 Basically 1054 00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:37,000 At his deathbed 1055 00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:39,000 And 1056 00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:40,000 He said 1057 00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:41,000 Apparently 1058 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:43,000 That 1059 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:45,000 What 1060 00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:46,000 We've done 1061 00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:47,000 Is to retrieve 1062 00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:48,000 UFOs 1063 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:49,000 Crashed 1064 00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:50,000 Extraterrestrial 1065 00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:51,000 Craft 1066 00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:52,000 Recover them 1067 00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:53,000 Understand 1068 00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:54,000 How the engineering 1069 00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:55,000 And 1070 00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:56,000 Then recreate them 1071 00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:57,000 Or reproduce them 1072 00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:58,000 And they're called 1073 00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,000 Alien reproduction vehicles 1074 00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,000 It's too bad we don't have the video 1075 00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:05,000 Okay 1076 00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:12,000 Now 1077 00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:13,000 I'd like to talk about what I call 1078 00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:14,000 The 1079 00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,000 Ben Rich analogy 1080 00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:21,000 We have 1081 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:23,000 Some of our 1082 00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:24,000 Some of our 1083 00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:25,000 Greatest 1084 00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:26,000 Scientists and engineers 1085 00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:27,000 Here 1086 00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:29,000 Enrico Fermi 1087 00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:30,000 He was Italian 1088 00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:32,000 We have 1089 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:33,000 Herman 1090 00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:34,000 Oberth 1091 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:35,000 And a bunch of 1092 00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:36,000 Former 1093 00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:37,000 Germans 1094 00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:38,000 As our 1095 00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:39,000 Great 1096 00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:40,000 German scientists 1097 00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:41,000 We have 1098 00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:42,000 Carl Sagan 1099 00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:43,000 And Ben Rich 1100 00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,000 Now 1101 00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:46,000 Enrico Fermi 1102 00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,000 Was very interested in 1103 00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:49,000 Besides 1104 00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:50,000 Nuclear 1105 00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:51,000 Energy 1106 00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:52,000 He was 1107 00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:53,000 Very interested in 1108 00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:54,000 Extraterrestrial 1109 00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:55,000 Civilizations 1110 00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:56,000 And 1111 00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:57,000 He did some 1112 00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:58,000 Calculations 1113 00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,000 As to how 1114 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,000 Many 1115 00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,000 Extraterrestrial 1116 00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:04,000 Civilizations 1117 00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:05,000 With advanced 1118 00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:06,000 Technologies 1119 00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:07,000 Would be 1120 00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:08,000 Existing now 1121 00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:09,000 And 1122 00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:10,000 He basically 1123 00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:11,000 Came up with a 1124 00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:12,000 Question 1125 00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,000 Now 1126 00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:16,000 Who knows what he thought 1127 00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:17,000 About UFOs in his 1128 00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:18,000 Private 1129 00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:19,000 Life 1130 00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:20,000 But in public 1131 00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:21,000 He did not 1132 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:22,000 Acknowledge them 1133 00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,000 But that was his question 1134 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:25,000 Sometimes 1135 00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:26,000 It's called the Fermi 1136 00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:27,000 Paradox 1137 00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:30,000 Then 1138 00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:31,000 Four years later 1139 00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:32,000 Herman 1140 00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:33,000 Oberth 1141 00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:34,000 Who 1142 00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:35,000 Along with 1143 00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:36,000 Wernher von Braun 1144 00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:37,000 Who you can see 1145 00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:38,000 Just over 1146 00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:39,000 His right shoulder 1147 00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:40,000 There 1148 00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:41,000 And a few other 1149 00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:42,000 German scientists 1150 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:43,000 And engineers 1151 00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:44,000 Herman 1152 00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:45,000 Oberth 1153 00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:46,000 Was called 1154 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:47,000 Or considered to be 1155 00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:48,000 By many 1156 00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:49,000 To be the father 1157 00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:50,000 Of German rocketry 1158 00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,000 And in 1954 1159 00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:53,000 He said 1160 00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:54,000 Flying saucers 1161 00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:55,000 Are real 1162 00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:56,000 And they are spaceships 1163 00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:57,000 From another solar system 1164 00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:00,000 That's quite a statement 1165 00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:01,000 For a 1166 00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,000 Rocket scientist 1167 00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:07,000 That's fairly well known 1168 00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:10,000 So let's fast forward to 1169 00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:13,000 Carl Sagan 1170 00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:14,000 If you remember 1171 00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:15,000 In 1980 1172 00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:16,000 He would always 1173 00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:17,000 Come up on the show 1174 00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:18,000 And say 1175 00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:19,000 Well there are billions 1176 00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:20,000 And billions 1177 00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:21,000 Of stars 1178 00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,000 And that means 1179 00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:24,000 There are billions 1180 00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:25,000 And billions 1181 00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:26,000 Of planets 1182 00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:27,000 And Carl Sagan 1183 00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:28,000 Always 1184 00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:29,000 Acknowledged 1185 00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:30,000 That 1186 00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:33,000 Many of those 1187 00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:34,000 Planets 1188 00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:35,000 Had 1189 00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:38,000 Extraterrestrial life 1190 00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:39,000 Intelligent life 1191 00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:40,000 And technically 1192 00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:41,000 Advanced 1193 00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:42,000 But he would always 1194 00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:43,000 Say that UFOs 1195 00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:44,000 Aren't real 1196 00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:45,000 Because the distances 1197 00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:46,000 Are too great 1198 00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:52,000 Now we come to Ben Rich 1199 00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,000 In 1993 1200 00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:55,000 And he says 1201 00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:56,000 Lost 1202 00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:57,000 Lucky Martin 1203 00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:58,000 Now has the technology 1204 00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,000 To go to the stars 1205 00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:01,000 Well what happened 1206 00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,000 Between 1954 1207 00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,000 And 1993 1208 00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,000 That magic 40 years 1209 00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:10,000 Probably quite a bit 1210 00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:13,000 My only question is 1211 00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:16,000 What happened with Carl Sagan 1212 00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,000 Did he lose the plot 1213 00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:19,000 Or what 1214 00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,000 Well personally 1215 00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:23,000 I agree 1216 00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:24,000 With Bud Hopkins 1217 00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:25,000 If you've read 1218 00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:26,000 Bud Hopkins 1219 00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:27,000 Book 1220 00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:28,000 Art 1221 00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:29,000 Life 1222 00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:30,000 And UFOs 1223 00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:31,000 Bud Hopkins 1224 00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:32,000 Was a 1225 00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:33,000 Contemporary 1226 00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:34,000 Of 1227 00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:35,000 Carl Sagan 1228 00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:36,000 In fact they even 1229 00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:37,000 Debated 1230 00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,000 And 1231 00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:40,000 Bud Hopkins 1232 00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:41,000 Always said 1233 00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:42,000 Well 1234 00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:43,000 Carl 1235 00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:44,000 Carl knew 1236 00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:45,000 That 1237 00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:46,000 UFOs 1238 00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:47,000 Were real 1239 00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:48,000 But 1240 00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:49,000 He had to say 1241 00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:50,000 They weren't real 1242 00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:51,000 Because he was being fed 1243 00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:52,000 And funded 1244 00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:53,000 By the US government 1245 00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:56,000 For his own projects 1246 00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,000 Well what's the Ben Rich analogy 1247 00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:00,000 My only point here is 1248 00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,000 That if in 1993 1249 00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,000 We had the technology 1250 00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,000 To go to the stars 1251 00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:07,000 Then it strikes me 1252 00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:08,000 That any 1253 00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,000 Extraterrestrial 1254 00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:13,000 Intelligent civilization 1255 00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,000 That's technically evolved 1256 00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:16,000 People 1257 00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:17,000 That's as old 1258 00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:18,000 As our 1259 00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:19,000 Planet 1260 00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:20,000 Is 1261 00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:21,000 Could easily 1262 00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:22,000 Come here 1263 00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:23,000 And if they're 1264 00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:24,000 A million years 1265 00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:25,000 Ahead of us 1266 00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:26,000 Then 1267 00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,000 What might that mean? 1268 00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,000 Does that mean that they've been here 1269 00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:31,000 Quite some time? 1270 00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:32,000 Maybe? 1271 00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:33,000 Well think about it 1272 00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:38,000 All right 1273 00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:39,000 I think this might be 1274 00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:40,000 A good time 1275 00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:41,000 For a break 1276 00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:42,000 If that works 1277 00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:43,000 With everybody 1278 00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:56,000 Steve earlier mentioned 1279 00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:57,000 That these are available 1280 00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,000 These are drawings 1281 00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:00,000 By Michael Schrett 1282 00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:03,000 And they contain many 1283 00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:07,000 Black project drawings 1284 00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,000 Of devices that have been 1285 00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,000 Manufactured in the Antelope Valley 1286 00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,000 And tested at Area 51 1287 00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:14,000 And S4 1288 00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:15,000 It's $2 1289 00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:19,000 But I have spent hours looking for it 1290 00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:20,000 Over it myself 1291 00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:26,000 The next thing is that 1292 00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,000 If any of you were at the symposium 1293 00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:29,000 Two weeks ago 1294 00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:32,000 Maybe you heard Ted Loader 1295 00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,000 It was an excellent talk 1296 00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,000 And he talked about his abstract 1297 00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:37,000 That he wrote to the 1298 00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:38,000 American Institute of Aeronautics 1299 00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,000 And Astronautics 1300 00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:43,000 This is a reproduction of his abstract 1301 00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,000 If you're interested 1302 00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:48,000 It also contains an article 1303 00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:49,000 Which I wrote 1304 00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:53,000 For the MUFON UFO Journal 1305 00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:59,000 And as Steve mentioned 1306 00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:02,000 I am selling Tim Good's 1307 00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:05,000 Need to Know separately 1308 00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:08,000 But if you are willing to go 1309 00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,000 For the bigger one 1310 00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:17,000 I will include Tim Good's book as well 1311 00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:22,000 And I make this offer to everybody 1312 00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:26,000 I guarantee what you receive 1313 00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:30,000 And if you feel that you don't like it 1314 00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,000 You can send this book back 1315 00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,000 And I'll refund your money 1316 00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,000 And you can keep Tim Good's book 1317 00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:41,000 So I don't know what more I can offer 1318 00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:51,000 You won't find that from many other authors 1319 00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:54,000 The reason why I sell Tim Good's book 1320 00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:58,000 Is that Timothy Good is a very good friend of mine 1321 00:50:58,000 --> 00:50:59,000 He's a British writer 1322 00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:03,000 He first started writing in the, oh, about 1980s 1323 00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:06,000 And he's put out some excellent work 1324 00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,000 Including this one 1325 00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:11,000 This one is tied directly to what I'm talking about tonight 1326 00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,000 It's called Need to Know 1327 00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:16,000 UFOs, the Military, and Intelligence 1328 00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:23,000 Okay, now 1329 00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:27,000 You know, I talk to many members of the general public 1330 00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:32,000 And they say this about Area 51 or that 1331 00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:37,000 And sometimes this is sort of the image that they have of it 1332 00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:40,000 It's not exactly what it looks like 1333 00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:44,000 And some people think that there's this big hangar 1334 00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:51,000 Where this odd-looking device can just take off from its position here 1335 00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,000 After this big door opens 1336 00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:56,000 But it's not like that either 1337 00:51:56,000 --> 00:52:01,000 Now this is an aircraft sectional chart for Area 51 1338 00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:05,000 Right now I'll just talk about 1339 00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:08,000 Try to put it in terms of Groom Lake 1340 00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:12,000 The facility is based at Groom Lake 1341 00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:18,000 And if you were to buy an aircraft sectional chart 1342 00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:23,000 It's quite clear as to the limits where you cannot fly into 1343 00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,000 So if you're a pilot 1344 00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:27,000 Don't try to fly over Area 51 1345 00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,000 They will shoot you down 1346 00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,000 Honest 1347 00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:38,000 Officially it's called the Air Force Flight Test Center Detachment 3 1348 00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:41,000 How do you get there? 1349 00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:43,000 Well, it's in Nevada, first of all 1350 00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:46,000 And you start in Las Vegas 1351 00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:49,000 You go out the 15 here 1352 00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:53,000 And then you take the 93 up to this point 1353 00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:58,000 And then you get onto the extraterrestrial highway 1354 00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,000 That's 375 1355 00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:07,000 And eventually you'll come to an overlook of the Tikaboo Valley 1356 00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:17,000 And this is what the Tikaboo Valley looks like 1357 00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:25,000 This is basically where we test our new aircraft and otherwise 1358 00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:29,000 When you get to the top of that peak 1359 00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:33,000 You'll see this very straight dirt road 1360 00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:36,000 That goes directly to the foothills in the back 1361 00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,000 It's totally unmarked 1362 00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:41,000 Don't expect any signs saying Area 51 this way 1363 00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:43,000 Or something like that 1364 00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:48,000 Eventually you'll come to the Area 51 signs 1365 00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:51,000 I would suggest that you 1366 00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,000 At this point that you just stop there 1367 00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,000 And not go any further 1368 00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:58,000 In 1989 1369 00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:01,000 My former wife and I 1370 00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,000 Took a trip out here 1371 00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:07,000 Now this is before anyone knew about 1372 00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:09,000 Quote Area 51 1373 00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:11,000 And we went all the way out there 1374 00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:12,000 To the end of that road 1375 00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,000 And finally came up to a chain link fence 1376 00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,000 With a guard house 1377 00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,000 And there was an Air Force truck there 1378 00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:21,000 And the guard house had one way mirrors 1379 00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,000 Or one way glass 1380 00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:25,000 And they didn't come out to greet us 1381 00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:30,000 But I'm sure they took our license numbers down 1382 00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:33,000 So then we turned around 1383 00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,000 And started driving all the way back out 1384 00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:39,000 And then as we were out of the foothills 1385 00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:42,000 Low and slow from the north 1386 00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:45,000 Came an F4 Phantom fighter 1387 00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:47,000 From the base 1388 00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:49,000 And they were simply 1389 00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:50,000 I'm sure 1390 00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:53,000 Counting the numbers of heads in the car 1391 00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,000 And making sure that the same two people 1392 00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,000 That went in came out 1393 00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:02,000 Now this is what the base looks like 1394 00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:05,000 Like from Freedom Ridge 1395 00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:06,000 Taken years ago 1396 00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:08,000 I've given credit to John Lear 1397 00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:09,000 On this one 1398 00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:11,000 I believe he's the one who took that 1399 00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:14,000 There are some very large hangers out here 1400 00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,000 And we'll have an inside look at them 1401 00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:17,000 In a few minutes 1402 00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:20,000 This is what it looks like 1403 00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,000 From a satellite view 1404 00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,000 This is Groom Lake 1405 00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,000 And this contains the 1406 00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,000 Has the longest 1407 00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:32,000 Landing strip in the world 1408 00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:35,000 I believe it's 27,000 feet 1409 00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:48,000 Now one of the benefits of living in the Antelope Valley 1410 00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,000 And having my wife in the insurance business 1411 00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:53,000 Was that I met a lot of people 1412 00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,000 That were in the aerospace business 1413 00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,000 It's an aerospace town out there 1414 00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:00,000 And I met one person 1415 00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:02,000 Who claimed that 1416 00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:04,000 When he was in the Air Force 1417 00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:08,000 He flew from the Far East 1418 00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:10,000 In a cargo aircraft 1419 00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:12,000 Carrying a MiG-21 1420 00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:15,000 And even though this may look like 1421 00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,000 A Republic F-105 Thunder Chief 1422 00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:19,000 It is actually a MiG-21 1423 00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:23,000 With Air Force insignia 1424 00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:26,000 And this is how 1425 00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:28,000 We're able to 1426 00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:30,000 Produce the Top Gun program 1427 00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:32,000 Down near San Diego 1428 00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:33,000 At Miramar 1429 00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:35,000 Because the pilots would come here 1430 00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:37,000 They would fly the MiGs 1431 00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:39,000 This just happens to be one MiG-21 1432 00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:41,000 But they have endless others 1433 00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:42,000 I'm sure 1434 00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:44,000 And they found how to fly it 1435 00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:45,000 And its limitations 1436 00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:47,000 And that's how 1437 00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:49,000 They're able to teach our pilots 1438 00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:51,000 To outdo the 1439 00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:53,000 The foe 1440 00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:54,000 The next 1441 00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:55,000 The next 1442 00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:56,000 This is a proof of 1443 00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,000 Proof of concept 1444 00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:00,000 For the F-117A 1445 00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,000 This was tested out there 1446 00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:03,000 This was called 1447 00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:04,000 Have Blue 1448 00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:06,000 Now this is 1449 00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:08,000 Bill Sweetman's 1450 00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:09,000 Version of what he thinks 1451 00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:11,000 The Aurora look like 1452 00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:12,000 And this little beauty 1453 00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,000 Down in the little right hand corner 1454 00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:15,000 Is the Lockheed Martin 1455 00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,000 Boing B-3 1456 00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:20,000 Advanced or super 1457 00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:21,000 Stealth aircraft 1458 00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:27,000 Now about 20 years ago 1459 00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:28,000 21 actually 1460 00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:30,000 I had a chance to meet 1461 00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:31,000 Bob Lazar 1462 00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:33,000 Out at the little alien 1463 00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:35,000 In Rachel Nevada 1464 00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:39,000 And I realized that 1465 00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:40,000 Some people 1466 00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:42,000 In the quote 1467 00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:43,000 UFO community 1468 00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:44,000 Feel that 1469 00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:45,000 Bob Lazar 1470 00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:46,000 Is a fraud 1471 00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:50,000 Did I hear a 1472 00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:51,000 Did I hear a yes? 1473 00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:52,000 Okay 1474 00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:53,000 Well 1475 00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:55,000 I have to say 1476 00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:56,000 That 1477 00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:58,000 He seemed like 1478 00:57:58,000 --> 00:57:59,000 A very 1479 00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:00,000 Mild-mannered 1480 00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:01,000 Technical person 1481 00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:02,000 Somewhat 1482 00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:03,000 Retiring 1483 00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:06,000 And he seemed to have 1484 00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:07,000 A story 1485 00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:08,000 To me 1486 00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:10,000 He claimed 1487 00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:11,000 That 1488 00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:12,000 He was 1489 00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:13,000 Hired on by 1490 00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:14,000 EG&G 1491 00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:15,000 To 1492 00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:16,000 Retro-engineer 1493 00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:17,000 An extraterrestrial 1494 00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:18,000 Craft 1495 00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:19,000 At a facility 1496 00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:21,000 Called S-4 1497 00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:22,000 And this is 1498 00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:23,000 The extraterrestrial 1499 00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:24,000 Craft 1500 00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:25,000 That he described 1501 00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:26,000 It was 1502 00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:27,000 He called it 1503 00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:29,000 The sport model 1504 00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:30,000 So 1505 00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:31,000 I will 1506 00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:32,000 Have to say 1507 00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:33,000 That he's certainly 1508 00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:34,000 Controversial person 1509 00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:35,000 Without any question 1510 00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:39,000 In fact 1511 00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:40,000 This is 1512 00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:41,000 Bob Lazar 1513 00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:42,000 Right here 1514 00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:43,000 Along with 1515 00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:44,000 Gary Schultz 1516 00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:45,000 And 1517 00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:46,000 In the 1518 00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:47,000 The early 1519 00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:48,000 Nineties 1520 00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:50,000 When I met 1521 00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:52,000 Bob Lazar 1522 00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:53,000 He said 1523 00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:54,000 That 1524 00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:55,000 If I would 1525 00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:56,000 Go out 1526 00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:57,000 To 1527 00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:58,000 Into 1528 00:58:58,000 --> 00:58:59,000 The 1529 00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:00,000 Tickaboo Valley 1530 00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:01,000 On 1531 00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:02,000 Wednesday night 1532 00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:04,000 Any 1533 00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:05,000 Wednesday night 1534 00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:06,000 Basically 1535 00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:07,000 He said 1536 00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:08,000 That 1537 00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:09,000 There's a very good chance 1538 00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:10,000 That you'll see some of these devices 1539 00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:11,000 Being tested 1540 00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:12,000 At the facility 1541 00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:13,000 That he called 1542 00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:14,000 S-4 1543 00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:15,000 Now he said 1544 00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:16,000 S-4 1545 00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:17,000 Is 1546 00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:18,000 Roughly 1547 00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:19,000 12 to 15 miles 1548 00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:20,000 South 1549 00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:21,000 Of 1550 00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:22,000 Groom Lake 1551 00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:23,000 And 1552 00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:24,000 He claimed 1553 00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:25,000 That there were nine hangers 1554 00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:26,000 There 1555 00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:27,000 Basically 1556 00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:29,000 Embedded into a mountain 1557 00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:31,000 In the 1558 00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:32,000 Pappus range 1559 00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:33,000 And 1560 00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:34,000 On 1561 00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:37,000 Pappus Lake 1562 00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:39,000 Now 1563 00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:40,000 All I know 1564 00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:41,000 Is 1565 00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:42,000 That 1566 00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:43,000 I joined 1567 00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:44,000 Gary's 1568 00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:46,000 Secret saucer base expeditions 1569 00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:48,000 Many times 1570 00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:49,000 I've lost count 1571 00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:50,000 As to how many times 1572 00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:51,000 I've been out 1573 00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:52,000 Been out there 1574 00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:53,000 And sometimes frankly 1575 00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:54,000 Nothing would happen 1576 00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:55,000 At all 1577 00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:56,000 Sometimes 1578 00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:57,000 The guys 1579 00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:58,000 At S-4 1580 00:59:58,000 --> 00:59:59,000 Would send up 1581 00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:00,000 Flares 1582 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:01,000 Just to get us 1583 01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:02,000 Excited 1584 01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:05,000 Imagine that 1585 01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:06,000 You go all the way out there 1586 01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:07,000 And they send up flares 1587 01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:09,000 But 1588 01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:10,000 On certain nights 1589 01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:11,000 You could see 1590 01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:12,000 What I've called here 1591 01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:13,000 Nightlights 1592 01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:16,000 And you would see 1593 01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:17,000 These red 1594 01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:18,000 Orange 1595 01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:19,000 Brightly colored 1596 01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:20,000 Lights 1597 01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:21,000 That would 1598 01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:22,000 Ascend 1599 01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:23,000 Vertically 1600 01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:24,000 They'd go to the left 1601 01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:25,000 They'd go to the right 1602 01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:26,000 They would not 1603 01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:27,000 Follow 1604 01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:28,000 A standard 1605 01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:29,000 Flight line 1606 01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:30,000 Like an 1607 01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:31,000 Aircraft 1608 01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:32,000 Sometimes 1609 01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:33,000 They would 1610 01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:34,000 Wink out 1611 01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:35,000 Sometimes 1612 01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:36,000 They'd wink on 1613 01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:37,000 And 1614 01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:38,000 We've 1615 01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:39,000 We saw this 1616 01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:40,000 Any number of 1617 01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:41,000 Nights 1618 01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:42,000 On repeated 1619 01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:44,000 Expeditions 1620 01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:50,000 Now the truth is 1621 01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:51,000 I don't know 1622 01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:52,000 If that facility 1623 01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:53,000 There is called 1624 01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:54,000 S-4 1625 01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:55,000 Or R-2 1626 01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:56,000 Or D-2 1627 01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:58,000 I have no idea 1628 01:00:58,000 --> 01:00:59,000 It could be called 1629 01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:00,000 Anything 1630 01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:01,000 But most people 1631 01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:02,000 Seem to think 1632 01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:03,000 That S-4 is the name 1633 01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:04,000 But I can tell you this 1634 01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:06,000 There is a facility there 1635 01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:12,000 Now one night 1636 01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:13,000 Gary Schultz 1637 01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:16,000 Well typically what he would do 1638 01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:17,000 Is 1639 01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:18,000 He would have 1640 01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:19,000 He had a small camera 1641 01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:20,000 Film camera 1642 01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:22,000 With high speed film in it 1643 01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:24,000 And he would go out there 1644 01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:25,000 And he'd click at that light 1645 01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:26,000 And click at that light 1646 01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:27,000 And click at that light 1647 01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:28,000 And click at that light 1648 01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:31,000 And he would have all of these develop 1649 01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:32,000 Now one night 1650 01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:33,000 When he was out there 1651 01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:36,000 He saw a red flashing light 1652 01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:37,000 Just hovering 1653 01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:41,000 And this is what came out 1654 01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:45,000 This is high speed film 1655 01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:46,000 Push process 1656 01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:47,000 That's why it's so grainy 1657 01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:52,000 But I think it's clearly not something 1658 01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:57,000 That we would normally see 1659 01:01:57,000 --> 01:01:59,000 Just to get a sense of this 1660 01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:02,000 Groom Lake is in the upper right hand corner 1661 01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:04,000 You can see a part of Groom Lake 1662 01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:07,000 And the runways and the hangars 1663 01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:09,000 And then the S-4 facility 1664 01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:11,000 Is on Papus Lake 1665 01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:13,000 Under one of the mountains 1666 01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:16,000 In the Papus range 1667 01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:21,000 About 12 to 15 miles or so 1668 01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:22,000 Now 1669 01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:26,000 This is where I have to make a disclaimer 1670 01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:28,000 Because I'm going to be talking about 1671 01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:29,000 Three people 1672 01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:33,000 Who claim to have worked at S-4 1673 01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:36,000 I don't know if they did or not 1674 01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:39,000 But I'm just going to tell you their stories 1675 01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:42,000 You can make up your own mind 1676 01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:51,000 Bob Lazar claimed that he was brought on by EG&G 1677 01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:55,000 And that he actually was paid by Naval Intelligence 1678 01:02:55,000 --> 01:03:01,000 And he was brought in to back engineer the sport model 1679 01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:07,000 The next gentleman is Captain Bill Uhouse 1680 01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:11,000 He is a former Marine pilot 1681 01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:14,000 Mechanical engineer 1682 01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:23,000 And he claimed that he was brought in to develop and install a flight simulator 1683 01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:24,000 And the flight simulator 1684 01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:28,000 And the flight simulator was to simulate a flying disc 1685 01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:38,000 And this is Dr. Dan Burish 1686 01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:43,000 His claim was that he worked at S-4 as a microbiologist 1687 01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:46,000 Now I'm not going to go into biology tonight 1688 01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:49,000 We're just talking the technical side 1689 01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:54,000 By the way Captain Bill Uhouse 1690 01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:58,000 Is mentioned in Ted Loader's abstract 1691 01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:03,000 And he is also one of Dr. Steven Greer's witnesses 1692 01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:10,000 According to these folks 1693 01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:13,000 This is Project Aquarius 1694 01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:16,000 And the administrators of the Office of Naval Intelligence 1695 01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:22,000 And the Defense Intelligence Agency 1696 01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:26,000 These next few drawings were drawn by Michael Schrett 1697 01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:30,000 Of Open Minds Magazine 1698 01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:33,000 Now these according to this 1699 01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:36,000 If you land at the heliport 1700 01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:40,000 On a helicopter from Groom Lake 1701 01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:43,000 He said this is what you call walking the line 1702 01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:47,000 You have to carefully walk between the blue lines 1703 01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:50,000 And not go beyond the red line 1704 01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:57,000 Now what you see over here on the left under the mountain 1705 01:04:57,000 --> 01:05:01,000 Are the nine hangers starting from the left 1706 01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:03,000 And then there's other rooms 1707 01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:05,000 Just as you come through the door 1708 01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:19,000 Well basically it's a very tight security 1709 01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:25,000 The guards are told not to allow anyone to go beyond the red line 1710 01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:27,000 That's about all I can say 1711 01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:34,000 This is the entry area to S4 1712 01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:38,000 You can see this long entry area 1713 01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:40,000 And a waiting area 1714 01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:47,000 My recollection was that Bob Lazar said 1715 01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:49,000 That there was this X-Files poster 1716 01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:51,000 But it said according to him 1717 01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:52,000 They're here 1718 01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:57,000 Honest 1719 01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:02,000 The according to the testimony 1720 01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:08,000 Is that the first few offices on the left 1721 01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:10,000 Are for propulsion 1722 01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:13,000 And for avionics laboratories 1723 01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:17,000 And then you walk on down further 1724 01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:20,000 And you pass through one or two doors 1725 01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:24,000 And according to these folks 1726 01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:27,000 This is what you see in hangar one 1727 01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:35,000 This is what Dr. Dan Barish referred to as a sport model 1728 01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:42,000 And this is where we also have some match up here with what Bob Lazar said 1729 01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:54,000 Hangar two contained an identical copy of the sport model 1730 01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:57,000 Hangar three was said to contain the Roswell craft 1731 01:06:57,000 --> 01:07:06,000 And as you can see here it has a tarp over it 1732 01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:22,000 This is Jim Nichols' version of the Roswell Christ retrieval 1733 01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:25,000 Sorry about this 1734 01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:26,000 Sorry about this 1735 01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:35,000 Okay 1736 01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:40,000 It's always good to have laughter in a program like this 1737 01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:42,000 Because it's a rather serious topic 1738 01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:44,000 Okay 1739 01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:46,000 Hangar four 1740 01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:49,000 This is what was referred to as the Orion craft 1741 01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:52,000 Now don't ask me why it was called the Orion craft 1742 01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:53,000 Michael Shratt 1743 01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:56,000 Who interviewed Dr. Dan Barish 1744 01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:58,000 Doesn't know 1745 01:07:58,000 --> 01:07:59,000 But anyway that was my question 1746 01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:02,000 Where have we seen something like this? 1747 01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:05,000 Sort of looks like the flux liner 1748 01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:10,000 Alien reproduction vehicle that Mark McCandlish drew 1749 01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:19,000 Hangar five 1750 01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:21,000 I believe that's the one that was empty as well 1751 01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:24,000 Let's see hangar six 1752 01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:27,000 Now this is sort of interesting 1753 01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:31,000 They claim that there was a alien reproduction vehicle of the Roswell craft 1754 01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:34,000 And it looks sort of like that 1755 01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:49,000 Now you might just do a design comparison between the alien craft from Roswell and the F-22 Raptor 1756 01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:52,000 Which happens to be a Lockheed Martin product 1757 01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:59,000 Michael Shratt's comment was that if you took off the two vertical stabilizers 1758 01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:03,000 Remove the engines and the air intakes 1759 01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:08,000 And you extended the wings from the wing tip to about here 1760 01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:13,000 It would fairly closely simulate the Roswell craft 1761 01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:15,000 Of course the Roswell craft 1762 01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:21,000 The Roswell craft ARV would have to also include some different propulsion 1763 01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:28,000 Hangar seven was claimed to be the Kingman craft 1764 01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:31,000 It also was covered by a tarp 1765 01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:34,000 Now my guess is that if this is true 1766 01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:40,000 The two craft that are covered with a tarp are ones which were damaged in one way or the other 1767 01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:49,000 And this is an artist's illustration of what some believe the Kingman craft looked like the Christ in 1953 1768 01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:51,000 That's Kingman, Arizona by the way 1769 01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:59,000 Hangar eight was what they call the licorice drop 1770 01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:09,000 Michael tells me that this was a very highly polished black 1771 01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:13,000 Sort of a triangular pyramid shape 1772 01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:15,000 Device 1773 01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:18,000 Does anyone 1774 01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:22,000 Does anyone think that that looks like something they might have seen from some other incident? 1775 01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:24,000 Jonathan Reed 1776 01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:26,000 Oh, I'm not familiar with him 1777 01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:29,000 Is that right? Rendlesham 1778 01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:31,000 Well 1779 01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:35,000 That's the one from the Rendlesham forest 1780 01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:45,000 And it was triangular a pyramid and according to the descriptions from the various air force investigators 1781 01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:50,000 It was black and highly polished 1782 01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:56,000 The only thing is that I asked Michael if the licorice drop had any kind of script around it and he said no 1783 01:10:56,000 --> 01:11:01,000 But he thought that it might be possibly a derivative of it 1784 01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:04,000 But he thought that it might be possibly a derivative of it 1785 01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:10,000 Now 1786 01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:13,000 Let's get to something a little bit more exciting here 1787 01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:16,000 This is what bill you house 1788 01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:18,000 Claims 1789 01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:23,000 That he developed and install it was a flying disc flight simulator 1790 01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:27,000 And it was supposed to be modeled after the Kingman 1791 01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:29,000 Device 1792 01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:33,000 Basically what we're looking at 1793 01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:34,000 What we're looking at 1794 01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:35,000 Is a 1795 01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:37,000 A one inch 1796 01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:39,000 Rather a twelve 1797 01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:41,000 A one foot diameter shaft 1798 01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:44,000 With a three foot diameter ball bearing 1799 01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:46,000 For lack of better words 1800 01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:49,000 And 1801 01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:52,000 What would happen is that 1802 01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:54,000 There were six 1803 01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:56,000 Very high 1804 01:11:57,000 --> 01:11:58,000 Highly charged capacitors 1805 01:11:58,000 --> 01:11:59,000 Inside this simulator 1806 01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:01,000 And 1807 01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:03,000 One of the operators was over here 1808 01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:07,000 And what they would do is attach this power umbilical cord 1809 01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:09,000 Recharge the capacitor 1810 01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:11,000 And then disconnect that 1811 01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:13,000 And then the pilot 1812 01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:15,000 Would 1813 01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:17,000 Would 1814 01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:19,000 Enter 1815 01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:21,000 And these are called snubbers 1816 01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:23,000 They sort of stabilize the craft 1817 01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:25,000 When it's not in motion 1818 01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:28,000 And the idea is that it has 1819 01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:30,000 A full 1820 01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:32,000 Yaw roll and pitch 1821 01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:34,000 Now 1822 01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:37,000 You know I guess the question then becomes 1823 01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:42,000 Why not just have one or two test pilots out there 1824 01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:45,000 To fly these devices 1825 01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:47,000 And 1826 01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:49,000 Leave it at that 1827 01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:52,000 Why have flight simulators 1828 01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:53,000 Any guesses? 1829 01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:57,000 Any guesses? 1830 01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:01,000 Sorry? 1831 01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:03,000 In case it crashed? 1832 01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:05,000 Well that's true 1833 01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:07,000 But what 1834 01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:09,000 What I'm trying to suggest is 1835 01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:11,000 That 1836 01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:13,000 Bill Ewhouse claims that 1837 01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:15,000 This device was installed in the early 60's 1838 01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:19,000 Training 1839 01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:20,000 Training 1840 01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:21,000 There we go 1841 01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:23,000 Now 1842 01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:26,000 That's the point I was trying to get to 1843 01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:29,000 What my perception is 1844 01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:31,000 Is that this is a device 1845 01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:33,000 To train 1846 01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:35,000 Our 1847 01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:37,000 Air Force pilots 1848 01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:39,000 And Navy aviators 1849 01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:42,000 And we've been doing this for decades 1850 01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:45,000 Now 1851 01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:48,000 There are probably 1852 01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:50,000 I would say 1853 01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:52,000 In my opinion 1854 01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:53,000 A lot of pilots 1855 01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:54,000 Pass through here 1856 01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:56,000 And learn how to fly these devices 1857 01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:01,000 And why would we train so many people 1858 01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:05,000 To fly these devices that we have reproduced 1859 01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:06,000 Reproduced 1860 01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:18,000 All right, you remember this, right? 1861 01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:21,000 Here's Commander Corey 1862 01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:23,000 And there is 1863 01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:25,000 Cadet Happy 1864 01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:27,000 And they used to zip around 1865 01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:29,000 And they were sort of the 1866 01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:31,000 Police 1867 01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:33,000 The military police of the 1868 01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:35,000 Galaxy 1869 01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:39,000 One of my favorite programs 1870 01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:43,000 Is it possible? 1871 01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:46,000 Is it just possible that we have 1872 01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:48,000 Many pilots 1873 01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:50,000 Who are flying a number of these 1874 01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:52,000 Alien reproduction vehicles? 1875 01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:56,000 Yes? 1876 01:14:57,000 --> 01:14:58,000 Okay, are you with me? 1877 01:14:58,000 --> 01:14:59,000 Are you with me? 1878 01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:01,000 Okay. 1879 01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:03,000 And what might 1880 01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:05,000 What group might be 1881 01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:07,000 In charge of that? 1882 01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:09,000 Well, it's not the Space Patrol 1883 01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:11,000 I'll tell you that much 1884 01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:13,000 But what they call themselves is 1885 01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:15,000 Excuse me 1886 01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:17,000 Well, I'll 1887 01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:19,000 Hold on just a minute 1888 01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:21,000 I forgot this point 1889 01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:24,000 Sort of an important point 1890 01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:26,000 This was in 1950 1891 01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:28,000 Okay? 1892 01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:30,000 And that's when I was about 1893 01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:31,000 Eight years old 1894 01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:33,000 This 1895 01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:35,000 I'm sure some of you recognize 1896 01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:38,000 Is a scene from Forbidden Planet 1897 01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:42,000 Actually, it's a drawing by Jim Nichols 1898 01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:45,000 But there is a scene very much like this 1899 01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:47,000 As this space cruiser 1900 01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:49,000 Carrying a military team 1901 01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:51,000 To rescue 1902 01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:54,000 The scientists on Altair 4 1903 01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:58,000 This was done in 1956 1904 01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:00,000 Okay? 1905 01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:02,000 1950 1906 01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:04,000 Rocket ships 1907 01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:06,000 1956 1908 01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:08,000 Space cruisers dis-shaped 1909 01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:10,000 Now, the point being is here 1910 01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:13,000 It took two years 1911 01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:15,000 To produce that film 1912 01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:18,000 So, they had to start around 1954 1913 01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:22,000 Now, when you're writing a book 1914 01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:24,000 Or you're producing a film 1915 01:16:25,000 --> 01:16:26,000 Someone's got to write the scripts 1916 01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:28,000 Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera 1917 01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:30,000 So, I'm saying that 1918 01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:32,000 It probably took at least a year 1919 01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:34,000 Maybe a year and a half 1920 01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:35,000 To write the scripts 1921 01:16:35,000 --> 01:16:36,000 And get set up 1922 01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:37,000 Before they can film 1923 01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:39,000 So, this 1924 01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:41,000 This may have started 1925 01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:43,000 The effort for this 1926 01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:45,000 May have started in 1952 1927 01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:47,000 Maybe 53 1928 01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:49,000 Now, for those of you 1929 01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:51,000 Who are old enough to remember 1930 01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:53,000 What was happening in 1952 1931 01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:55,000 Maybe you can tell me 1932 01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:56,000 What happened in 1952 1933 01:16:57,000 --> 01:16:58,000 Washington D.C. 1934 01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:00,000 Who said that? 1935 01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:02,000 Who? 1936 01:17:03,000 --> 01:17:04,000 Who said that? 1937 01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:05,000 Oh, very good 1938 01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:06,000 Excellent 1939 01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:08,000 Because in 1952 1940 01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:11,000 UFOs in some quantity 1941 01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:13,000 Overflew the capital 1942 01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:15,000 In Washington D.C. 1943 01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:17,000 And I'm 68 years old 1944 01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:19,000 I remember this 1945 01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:21,000 And there was fear 1946 01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:24,000 In the minds of the general public 1947 01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:26,000 Because the Air Force 1948 01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:28,000 Couldn't control the airspace 1949 01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:30,000 Fear 1950 01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:32,000 Not panic 1951 01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:33,000 But fear 1952 01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:35,000 I remember that quite clearly 1953 01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:37,000 So, what I'm saying is 1954 01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:39,000 In 1952 1955 01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:41,000 Between 1950 and 56 1956 01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:43,000 When this film came out 1957 01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:45,000 You had what happened in 1952 1958 01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:47,000 And that's why you had 1959 01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:49,000 A number of proliferating 1960 01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:51,000 Films coming out of Hollywood 1961 01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:53,000 About UFOs 1962 01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:54,000 Some better than others 1963 01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:55,000 But 1964 01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:57,000 Okay 1965 01:17:57,000 --> 01:17:58,000 Let's go on 1966 01:17:59,000 --> 01:18:00,000 Okay, now here we're back 1967 01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:01,000 To Space Patrol 1968 01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:03,000 And my question was 1969 01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:05,000 Well, what do they call themselves? 1970 01:18:05,000 --> 01:18:06,000 And they don't call themselves 1971 01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:07,000 Space Patrol 1972 01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:08,000 Although they probably should 1973 01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:10,000 Actually what they call themselves 1974 01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:12,000 Oops 1975 01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:14,000 Is Naval Space Command 1976 01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:15,000 The US Air Force Space Command 1977 01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:21,000 And they call themselves 1978 01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:23,000 The US Air Force Space Command 1979 01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:29,000 Now, let me just ask a question here 1980 01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:32,000 What do you think this is? 1981 01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:34,000 This little tripod thing 1982 01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:36,000 I mean a triangle thing 1983 01:18:37,000 --> 01:18:38,000 Star Trek 1984 01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:40,000 Oh boy, we got a Trekker out here 1985 01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:43,000 Oh yeah, I saw the first episode 1986 01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:46,000 In 1966 too 1987 01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:48,000 So 1988 01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:52,000 Right? 1989 01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:54,000 Are they saying something here to us? 1990 01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:56,000 Are they trying to teach us something? 1991 01:18:57,000 --> 01:18:58,000 Is this a subliminal message? 1992 01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:03,000 Try this one for size 1993 01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:04,000 This represents peace 1994 01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:14,000 These are olive branches 1995 01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:17,000 And this is obviously space, right? 1996 01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:21,000 You add to that the Star Trek symbol 1997 01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:23,000 And that gives you this 1998 01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:25,000 Notice the different 1999 01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:27,000 The same symbol is being used here 2000 01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:29,000 The olive branches 2001 01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:31,000 C-N-S-A 2002 01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:33,000 What does that stand for? 2003 01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:35,000 Wild guesses 2004 01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:41,000 Chinese National Space Administration 2005 01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:47,000 They're Trekkies too 2006 01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:48,000 Yeah, I'm sure they are 2007 01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:54,000 I hate to tell you this 2008 01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:55,000 But this is the Chinese century 2009 01:19:55,000 --> 01:19:56,000 All right 2010 01:19:58,000 --> 01:20:03,000 Now, so we have two space commands 2011 01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:08,000 Since both the services agree on the term space command 2012 01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:12,000 And from my experience in working with the Navy and the Air Force 2013 01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:15,000 When two services work together 2014 01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:18,000 They usually put the word joint in the front 2015 01:20:19,000 --> 01:20:22,000 So I'm suggesting that maybe, just maybe 2016 01:20:23,000 --> 01:20:25,000 They call themselves the Joint Space Command 2017 01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:27,000 Or J-SPACOM 2018 01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:31,000 Maybe you won't buy it 2019 01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:33,000 But to me it makes sense 2020 01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:35,000 No 2021 01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:38,000 This one's called 2022 01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:40,000 Can you handle the truth? 2023 01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:41,000 And the truth of course is in quotes 2024 01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:43,000 So 2025 01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:46,000 What I'm suggesting here is that 2026 01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:51,000 The United States has basically a small fleet 2027 01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:56,000 Of alien reproduction vehicles of different sizes, shapes, and configurations 2028 01:20:57,000 --> 01:21:00,000 And yes, maybe they're triangular 2029 01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:04,000 And maybe they're big 2030 01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:07,000 Why would you want a big 2031 01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:09,000 Spacecraft? 2032 01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:12,000 To haul little ones 2033 01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:13,000 To haul little ones 2034 01:21:13,000 --> 01:21:14,000 To haul little ones 2035 01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:15,000 That's right 2036 01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:16,000 And to haul cargo 2037 01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:18,000 And to haul space modules 2038 01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:20,000 Right? 2039 01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:22,000 Now what I'm saying is here 2040 01:21:23,000 --> 01:21:24,000 If you're a taxpayer 2041 01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:28,000 You have been paying for this for the last six decades 2042 01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:30,000 And what I'm suggesting is 2043 01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:33,000 Yes, I think in my opinion 2044 01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:35,000 We have a base on the moon right now 2045 01:21:35,000 --> 01:21:37,000 As I said before 2046 01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:40,000 Engineers don't want to develop a device 2047 01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:42,000 Or a tool or a craft 2048 01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:44,000 And put it on the shelf 2049 01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:45,000 They want to use it 2050 01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:47,000 And I think that's what we've been doing 2051 01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:49,000 For decades 2052 01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:53,000 And how about a base on Mars? 2053 01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:55,000 Wouldn't that 2054 01:21:56,000 --> 01:21:57,000 You'd probably need a fairly good sized craft 2055 01:21:58,000 --> 01:21:59,000 To transport what you need 2056 01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:03,000 With the crew and everything else 2057 01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:09,000 And I am going to take Ben Rich's word 2058 01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:11,000 For fact 2059 01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:15,000 And I say yes, we've also traveled to the stars 2060 01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:27,000 Now, at this point 2061 01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:30,000 I wanted to show 2062 01:22:31,000 --> 01:22:33,000 Eisenhower's farewell address 2063 01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:38,000 Eisenhower wasn't just a president 2064 01:22:39,000 --> 01:22:40,000 He was a two-term president 2065 01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:43,000 And he was also a five-star general 2066 01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:45,000 That's as high as you can go 2067 01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:47,000 In the US Army 2068 01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:51,000 And he knew the military 2069 01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:54,000 And he knew industry 2070 01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:56,000 After all those years 2071 01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:58,000 And what he did 2072 01:22:59,000 --> 01:23:00,000 In 1961 2073 01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:02,000 And I don't think this will play 2074 01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:04,000 But 2075 01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:08,000 Nope, it's not going to work 2076 01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:10,000 Well 2077 01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:20,000 Okay, well anyway 2078 01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:22,000 It worked at home 2079 01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:23,000 It worked at home 2080 01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:25,000 Okay, anyway 2081 01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:27,000 What he did is this 2082 01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:31,000 Just a few days before he left off 2083 01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:36,000 He warned us all about the military-industrial complex 2084 01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:41,000 And who better to warn us than Eisenhower 2085 01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:44,000 And what I was 2086 01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:46,000 As a 19-year-old 2087 01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:48,000 I thought he was just talking about 2088 01:23:49,000 --> 01:23:50,000 The American 2089 01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:52,000 Military-industrial complex 2090 01:23:53,000 --> 01:23:55,000 I think if he had to say that same speech again 2091 01:23:56,000 --> 01:23:59,000 He would say beware of the international military-industrial complex 2092 01:23:59,000 --> 01:24:09,000 Now let's talk about this 2093 01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:14,000 We have a problem here on Earth 2094 01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:17,000 We have a problem here on Earth 2095 01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:20,000 And it has to do with energy 2096 01:24:21,000 --> 01:24:26,000 We have too much invested in the oil business 2097 01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:28,000 I like to call it big oil 2098 01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:33,000 And some people may say, well, you know, what do you know about oil? 2099 01:24:34,000 --> 01:24:37,000 Actually, I used to work in Saudi Arabia 2100 01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:39,000 For Aramco 2101 01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:42,000 So I've seen the oil as it comes out of the ground 2102 01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:45,000 And believe me, it just gushers out there 2103 01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:47,000 They don't have to pump it 2104 01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:52,000 I've seen the pipelines that take the product down to Rastanera 2105 01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:56,000 Where it's loaded onto a supertanker 2106 01:24:57,000 --> 01:24:58,000 I've been on supertankers 2107 01:24:59,000 --> 01:25:01,000 I've seen the offloading facilities 2108 01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:07,000 More pipelines, refineries, distribution centers 2109 01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:12,000 Tanker trucks, and your local gas station 2110 01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:15,000 I worked for Mobile Oil Corporation 2111 01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:20,000 At their headquarters in New York City years ago 2112 01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:23,000 So I think I have a pretty good handle on big oil 2113 01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:27,000 This is something that we need to solve 2114 01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:30,000 And from my point of view, the sooner the better 2115 01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:35,000 Now, there's an ad running on television from Exxon Mobil 2116 01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:41,000 And it has a petroleum engineer, a geologist, I think it is 2117 01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:43,000 A geologist stands up and he says 2118 01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:47,000 We have enough natural gas to pump for the next hundred years 2119 01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:52,000 And when you think about it, they probably have enough oil 2120 01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:56,000 In oil sands and oil shale 2121 01:25:57,000 --> 01:25:59,000 To also pump for another hundred years 2122 01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:04,000 But I question, can this planet take this for another hundred years? 2123 01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:10,000 To me, the solution for the energy crisis 2124 01:26:10,000 --> 01:26:16,000 Is to release the US anti-gravity technology to the world 2125 01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:23,000 Because I know that there is technology in the black world 2126 01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:27,000 That if made available to the public and to the world 2127 01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:31,000 Would solve virtually all of our pollution problems 2128 01:26:31,000 --> 01:26:45,000 I think we could eliminate virtually the demand for coal, gasoline, heating oil, diesel, aviation fuels 2129 01:26:45,000 --> 01:26:51,000 How many more of these events do we have to go through? 2130 01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:54,000 This is Chernobyl, by the way 2131 01:26:55,000 --> 01:26:58,000 And that's the Gulf oil spill up there 2132 01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:04,000 The point being is that there is technology 2133 01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:11,000 Which would provide low-cost, pollution-free electrical energy 2134 01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:16,000 For just about everybody that could afford, say, maybe $5,000 for their home 2135 01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:19,000 For use at their home 2136 01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:24,000 All right, in summary, let me just go over this 2137 01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:28,000 We are and have been for decades 2138 01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:33,000 Developing and manufacturing flying discs in the Antelope Valley 2139 01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:39,000 And we've been testing recovered UFOs 2140 01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:42,000 And alien reproduction vehicles 2141 01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:45,000 At whatever facility is called in Nevada 2142 01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:48,000 Whether it's called S4 or whatever, I don't know 2143 01:27:49,000 --> 01:27:51,000 There are two types of real solid UFOs 2144 01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:54,000 Those that are manufactured by us 2145 01:27:55,000 --> 01:27:59,000 And those that are manufactured by others beyond Earth 2146 01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:03,000 There are actually two space programs 2147 01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:05,000 Imagine that 2148 01:28:06,000 --> 01:28:09,000 And as taxpayers, you've been paying for this for a long time 2149 01:28:10,000 --> 01:28:14,000 The white space program is what I call NASA 2150 01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:16,000 The space shuttles 2151 01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:18,000 The International Space Station 2152 01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:20,000 The Mars Rovers 2153 01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:24,000 All of that technology is antiquated 2154 01:28:25,000 --> 01:28:26,000 It's all rockets and chemical propellants 2155 01:28:27,000 --> 01:28:31,000 The black space program is basically recovered UFOs 2156 01:28:32,000 --> 01:28:35,000 ARVs and what I've termed J-SPACOM 2157 01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:41,000 We now have the capability, according to Ben Rich, to travel to the stars 2158 01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:55,000 But according to him also, is that control of this program has been passed from the U.S. government to an international board of directors 2159 01:28:55,000 --> 01:29:05,000 And we now have the capability to solve Earth's energy crisis 2160 01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:09,000 So what can you do about all of this? 2161 01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:14,000 Well, first of all, don't believe a word that I've said tonight 2162 01:29:14,000 --> 01:29:17,000 You know, don't believe it 2163 01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:19,000 Just keep an open mind 2164 01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:22,000 Follow up, study up, get engaged 2165 01:29:23,000 --> 01:29:24,000 Talk to your friends 2166 01:29:25,000 --> 01:29:27,000 You know, I found this quite revealing 2167 01:29:27,000 --> 01:29:31,000 People sometimes that you know don't want to talk about UFOs 2168 01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:35,000 But if you ask them what they think about UFOs 2169 01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:40,000 They will be quite often quite excited about it 2170 01:29:41,000 --> 01:29:47,000 I would suggest you write to your congressperson 2171 01:29:48,000 --> 01:29:50,000 Don't email, just write a letter 2172 01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:56,000 You'd be surprised how effective letter writing can be if they get enough handwritten letters in quantity 2173 01:29:57,000 --> 01:30:00,000 Personally, I've written congresspeople 2174 01:30:01,000 --> 01:30:05,000 I've even sent copies of my books to a variety of different congresspeople 2175 01:30:05,000 --> 01:30:08,000 Support the disclosure project 2176 01:30:09,000 --> 01:30:12,000 And I would suggest that you read Open Minds Magazine 2177 01:30:13,000 --> 01:30:14,000 I found that to be quite helpful 2178 01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:19,000 Particularly for people that are just sort of joining this subject 2179 01:30:20,000 --> 01:30:23,000 And generally, get involved 2180 01:30:35,000 --> 01:30:38,000 The first section and then set the list of Captain Anupons 2181 01:30:39,000 --> 01:30:43,000 Your Monon Rouge 2182 01:30:43,000 --> 01:30:44,000 Document Visions 2183 01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:47,300 One of them 2184 01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:50,000 Let them pause 2185 01:30:51,000 --> 01:30:53,120 Check the software 2186 01:30:54,000 --> 01:30:56,000 When one night goes far 2187 01:30:57,000 --> 01:30:58,000 To make people be able to discover the earth 2188 01:30:59,000 --> 01:31:02,000 Certificate