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Ladies and gentlemen, Graham Hancock and John Anthony West.

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Thank you. Thank you very much. So this is going to take the form of a conversation,

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perhaps an argument, because John is an argumentative son of a fellow, and I guess I am too.

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But we'll see how it goes. Now I want to tell you about the first time that I met John Anthony West.

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At that time I had begun research on my book Fingerprints of the Gods.

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And John Anthony West was one of the main reasons I began work on the possibility of a loss civilization,

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because there is a lot of woolly nonsense talked in this area.

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But a number of people are doing really serious work, and John has been at the leading edge of that for decades.

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I reached out to him, and the first time I met him was in Egypt in 1992, and that that time John was leading one of his guided tours of Egypt.

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Let me say now that if any of you and you should be are thinking about making a journey to Egypt,

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make it with John Anthony West, because it is an utter revelation.

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This is a man who has immersed himself in the mystery of ancient Egypt for decades, and he shares that mystery and that enthusiasm and gives you insights into places that otherwise with other people you would just pass by and not realize what they meant.

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So I met John actually on a cruise ship on the Nile by pre-arrangement, and then I joined your tour for a day.

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It was an incredible experience. It really was, and to get this wisdom shared about Egypt and the love and the passion for Egypt is something that nobody else can replicate.

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So if you're going to Egypt, go with John.

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Okay, how much was that?

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Actually, they supply us each of these dildos, and I don't know what they're about.

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But a couple of things, one is I usually start off a lecture, and this venue here with Graham lecturing and then us having a conversation was the brain storm of one of my friends who had been there.

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With me, which is really good, because otherwise you have two high powered nonstop talkers, one after the other, and it gets to be exhausting.

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Everyone would be falling asleep, but it's time they got to me.

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But this way, now we can go back and forth and tell jokes and have fun and stuff like that.

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And I just want to say that with Egypt, the difference between Egypt and so many of the places that Graham was just talking about is that it's only an Egypt that we have.

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That much of that lost civilization still available to us.

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And I usually start a lecture off, I won't now, but I'll just tell you what, I usually start it off with.

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Which is that Egypt is like sex, and that gets everybody's attention.

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But why is it just like sex? Well, you can read all about it, and that's informative.

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And you can look at pictures, and that's informative in a different way.

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But you don't actually understand it at all until you experience it, period.

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And Egypt is like that, and the ancient civilizations are like that.

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It's possible to go to great sacred architecture around the globe, and India, great mosques of Islam.

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And what else? See, when I go, all of these other places Graham has gone to.

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Go back to the tapio, don't really get that sense of a sacred, because yet, because it's only a place where you can see it.

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Less than 5% excavated, and now it's all bounced up, but they've covered it over, and it's near enough to the Syrian border where they can throw grenades at you.

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So I'm all for taking chances for archaeology, but not those kinds of chances.

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Anyhow, Egypt is the two weeks there is an immersion course.

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It's like a PhD course in what civilization once was, and it's only, I won't say only by doing that, because I got led into it before I got into Egypt.

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But it is, you understand what civilization once was, and the dramatic difference between what was civilization, and what's now laughably called progress.

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And it's only an Egypt that you can get that, nowhere else. I mean, everywhere else has a temple here on a monument there, and so forth and so on.

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But nothing on a day by day, hour by hour basis, that gives you that. So if you think this is a plug for taking my trip, it is.

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But that said, unfortunately, I'm pretty much the only, pretty much the only wheel in town in this regard that those Graham said, a lot of unicorns out there that are busy feeling the energy and sniffing the crystals.

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And I don't have anything against that as such, except to come back not understanding Egypt.

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And the differences that there are only a handful of people that understand symbolist Egypt, Charlotte delubitches.

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Egypt, well enough to transmit it and I happen to be the only one that leads tours. So there's no competition. It's easy.

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What you need. Anyway, what you have to know is that not to listen to the press to-toots of CNN or NBC or Fox or anything like that.

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You have these wonderful phrases that he coins, the press to-toots. The quack at them.

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See, I started out not as a scholar, I'm a scholar by default. Actually, I started out as a novelist playwright, mostly satire.

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And I still do that. It's my favorite hat to wear. But most of the time for a variety of reasons, I find myself wearing my Egyptological Pytham, but now that's enough about me.

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Well, actually the first thing I want to ask, I think it's really important that the legacy of John Anthony West is preserved for the future that history does not gloss you over and forget about your name.

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So my first question is, actually, what are you doing for yourself? You're doing a lot for all the rest of us, but what are you doing for yourself and to make sure that your legacy is preserved?

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I don't actually give a damn about that.

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See, I guess that's the character. Only other people give a damn. John just doesn't care.

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That's their job. Who is that you had up there that was regretting that it took them so long to get recognized that there was no one left to glowed over.

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Oh yeah, I'm still around for a while. And even if I outlive them, not by that much, and I'm proposed to what you were talking about.

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And the last few times I've heard you, Graham, is that we're close. It's getting close now.

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I don't think they feel the heat yet. They don't understand the situation. I sometimes tell them that when they get certain kinds of opposition, it makes me feel the way I imagine accountable chiefs in must feel watching a boat load of missionaries approach.

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It's, I Salovate. And another image I came up with, it's like they're living, they are living like a little town in Russia around 1220.

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And everyone's in a while, this crazy horseman comes wheeling in the cloud of dust.

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I know out from the east telling them they better pray, pay tribute because in a couple of years this wild man is going to come and ravish the tear down the walls and ravish the women and murder all the men.

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And they want to tribute right then and they just send them on his way. And three years later the Gary Khan is at the gates.

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And that's exactly what he does.

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So in a very real sense archaeology, even though they may not know it yet, are under siege, they're facing Genghis Khan.

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They don't know it, and I'll be around to glow.

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So John, you've ridden two two books that I'm very familiar with, which is serpent in the sky, and the travel is key to HDGept.

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And another plug. The travel is key to HDGept. Forget about all the other guide books to HDGept.

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The travel is key to HDGept is the book to go around HDGept with. And it was the book that I went around HDGept with on my first journeys.

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And I'm eternally grateful for that. Any other books in the works any other.

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Well the other one that I just published, which is edited by me, it's not written by me, but it's apropos.

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Your talk actually, well, what you didn't get into, and which is more, more my province, the New Years is the philosophy behind this, because yes, ancient civilization, it's very nice and all of that.

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And it's really good to know that what we call progress is what I call shiny barbarism.

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But it doesn't. That in and of itself does not tell you what a true civilization is. And a true civilization, my own definition is, is what occurs when people, not everybody, this can't be everybody.

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I don't think that the universe is constructed in such a way that everybody participates in at that level.

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But when enough people understand that they're here for a purpose, and that purpose is spiritual, full lack of a better word or divine, full lack of another better word, it's only then that a civilization arises and replaces barbarism under whatever name, smart-phone, thumb-phones, whatever the L.A.R.

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All of those things are quite unnecessary. What's necessary is something that anchors you to a true philosophy.

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And that's the very interesting thing about this new book. You know it. It was on David, it was on your author of the month.

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And this is a good friend of mine who financed actually our own trip to go back to the top of a few years ago.

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And then he was working, he was a Christian pastor, but a very unusual Christian, he actually practiced it.

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Very rare. That's about as rare as an open-minded scientist, or still rare a visionary billionaire with a conscience of many of those yet.

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But anyway, David was a pretty rare bird. And he was doing all of this very careful scholarship on the ND, the near-death experience.

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A lot of material that's been written on them by people who've been through that tremendous experience.

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And without going into a long-pullabber, he was collecting a lot of information. And I was saying to him, we were good friends, but not that close friends and at a distance.

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And I was telling him, David, you got to make a book of this. He was going at it in a particular way of systematically going.

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David's element, yes, that's right. Systematically going at it in such a way that it wasn't just his personal experience. He had his own kinds of personal experience,

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but it made sense of it in a kind of way. And my sense of it was sort of like with our work, we're on the cost. It's close now.

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Anyway, David was putting all of this material together. And said, well, I'm not a writer, I'm going to do it.

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Then all of a sudden he was started. He was a tight-cheap, apart from being a Christian pastor. He was a high-level, tight-cheap, active, fishner.

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And a bonsai master, he studied bonsai, a wonderful Japanese way of torturing trees into being works of art.

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But even David got me understanding more about bonsai, that's how I always saw it from the outside. He said, no, the tree has to allow itself to be treated that way.

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Very interesting philosophy. Not really. Not getting this time.

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Anyway, David then started losing his balance and getting, and he was a physical guy.

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And a Tai Chi practitioner, and that's a dependent upon balance.

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And he started losing his balance. And the way the upshot of it was that he was diagnosed with a glioblastoma, gliomat,

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and he was called, it's what Ted Kennedy died of.

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A 100% fatal brain cancer. And then he realized that he had a mission that he was doing all of this work on ND's.

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But he needed a writer. He was an excellent and meticulous scholar.

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But he wasn't a writer, he was a writer. He was a writer, something else again.

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So he drafted me and was, I owed him a big favor anyway.

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But I also recognized that this was something that was missing as it were from the philosophy, the spiritual philosophy,

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as expanded by, I'm in the Guargete of Society.

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That's one way of expressing it. It's not the only way.

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But all of the great traditions, religious traditions, spiritual traditions have this as a background,

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and the experience as it were, the NDE.

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What that actually is when you look at enough of them and understand what they are.

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It's not a hallucination, which is the quacketemics we have us believe, because they want to make sure that everybody thinks the world is as meaningless as they experience it.

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And it's not. We don't have to buy into their rubbish.

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And the NDE is actually a few moments of grace of something over and above what any spiritual discipline or experience can give to you.

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In other words, it comes from out of the blue and it happens at the point of death,

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or that can be one time at which it happens.

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And the power of the NDE in the way that David puts it together, is that it's understood that this is available to all of us.

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We don't know about all of us actually.

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And David doesn't get into that.

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There are some really malevolent people that they have it to, to Dick Traini have it known.

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Donald Trump, I don't know.

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I hate to think so, because I like to think that there is something like divine justice.

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But most of us, if you're in this room, let's say, should have left long ago if you don't agree with it.

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But most of us in this room are in it, because you think you're kind of there in something or another that's valuable to you,

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rather than watch CNN at home or Fox News, God help you.

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Even worse, so David had all of this material, and I helped him put it into perspective.

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But in the doing of it, I realized that this was the sort of thing, not necessarily the thing itself,

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but it's the sort of thing that could tip the balance, that's readily accessible.

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Graham is talking about a lot of science, and there and so away when we're doing our geology.

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Symbolous Egypt is not for everyone.

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Gurd Jeff is not for everyone.

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Hard nose, hard core zenan, and Hinduism in Islam really is special stuff.

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But this, and the e-experience is something that, if everybody understood that that was in store for them,

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even if it were at the end, of course those who don't come back to tell the tale, don't come back,

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and you don't know what their experience is like.

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So there are a lot of, there's a lot of spaces left there, but it's the sort of thing that everyone,

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I would say, everyone can resonate too.

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Everyone can resonate too, and I've had a near-death experience myself, so I totally resonate too.

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Yeah, yeah, I was always killed with an electric shock, and I left my body.

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And so I saw myself from up there.

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Oh, absolutely.

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I didn't get the tunnel of light and the relative soon, you know, it's not your time, but I left my body,

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and I thought the age of 17, and it made a profound impression upon me, which has lasted to this day,

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which has that kind of experience, you absolutely right, that kind of experience multiplied out.

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Enough people speak about this.

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It brings the whole materialist reductionist paradigm down in ruins, that consciousness cannot be an epiphonominant of brain activity.

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There's something else deeper going on.

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And that's, I mean, a thing that we talk about all the time from various either scientific or philosophical,

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or philosophical standpoints, but not that experiential one.

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Yeah, that's why I felt it was worth taking a year and a half out of my life to work on that book with him,

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and he died just as it got published.

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He was a Christian, he prayed that he'd be given enough time to get the book out, and that's just what he got.

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And the book is called, the dead saint Chronicle.

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The dead saint's Chronicle.

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A Zen, well he was good at titles, he was not a writer, but he was good at titles.

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Zen journey through the Christian afterlife.

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Right, right.

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I have copies back there.

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And if you're wondering why that's back there with, when my specialty is Egypt, that's why,

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because it doesn't seem as though it's connected, but it brings home that experience that is our goal.

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I wouldn't you say, I would say it is connected, because I mean, the ancient Egyptians were a people who put their best minds to work for 3,000 years on considering the mystery of death.

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This is, oh, in that way.

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I was central to ancient Egyptian.

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Talk about the ancient Egyptian judgments seen a little bit, perhaps.

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Well, yeah, I mean, that's, this becomes the whole of judgment.

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I mean, in Christianity, it's there too, but in a simplified version.

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Yeah, when you die, you go, you get tried in the great court of Azirus, your heart, which is the seat of conscience.

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And now, in fact, it's very interesting when scientists recognize what everybody else knew 4,000, 5,000 years ago, the heart in fact,

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it's not just a muscle that pumps blood.

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It has its own thinking center, which those of you who are familiar with Gorgiav will know from his work and the work of his own students.

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And so, the heart is weighed against the feather of Mahatma, represents cosmic equilibrium, just this, et cetera.

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And if the heart then it gets complicated.

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If the heart has to be lighter than that feather for you to pass on to the next stage, which is probably reincarnation.

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There are two stages, it gets very complicated in the ancient Egyptian death ritual or death understanding of death.

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And the one is that you come at the book of the book, it's always called the book of the book of the dead.

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It's technical, it's actual translation is the book of coming forth by day.

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It's the book of new life, which I take to be a reincarnation.

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And then there's a second path described by the genius with the unpronounceable name, Aras, Ruala Delubic, as the path of Horus,

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and Horus becomes the Christ and the whole thing edipped slides into Christianity.

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Almost seamlessly minus the science, the science mostly gets lost along the way.

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And even there, if you read the right books and you look into it, where in particular angle you see that even the science was never entirely lost.

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And there's the sense in that judgment scene.

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It's not as moralistic as it sounds.

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There's the sense that we've been given a precious gift to live and to live in a human body.

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And what have we done with it?

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Actually, what did you do with that?

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That's one of the things I get from the...

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Actually, the problem nowadays is one of the many problems is that it's next to impossible to, the way I put it always is,

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it's next to impossible to make a living out of your own creativity.

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And if you're not doing that, if your daily life is spent at something you hate and you watch the ads say,

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when you have to retire at 35, and that's what you want.

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You're in the wrong path.

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But given what we have, what we have facing us,

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We're on there with the five cowboys.

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Everyone knows the forehorsesmen of the apocalypse, right?

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Those who don't know about the forehorsesmen of the apocalypse are at their hand.

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Everyone knows that some people are shy.

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Anyway, the forehorsesmen are death.

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Sorry, our war, that's it, war, pestilence, famine, and death.

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and any way shape or form, is war.

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and they are in turn, and not necessarily in that order of awfulness,

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capitalism, patriotism, democracy, technology, and entertainment.

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This makes me lots of friends as you can imagine in the quick attempt of time.

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Anyway, it is next to impossible to escape.

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It is next to impossible to escape those five horsesmen, or five cowboys, I should say.

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And bearing them in mind is useful, because you can see where they are in control,

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in one way or another, in controlling your life and mind and everyone.

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It is in mind-controlled world that we live in.

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Suffle, it is clever, it is everywhere.

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And it separates us from spirit.

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And this surely is one of the great lessons that ancient Egypt has to teach us.

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And the other civilizations as well.

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Really, this is an interesting, thank you Jonathan.

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An interesting way of doing this, the venue, because you present the ancient civilization,

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the bones of it, anyway, in the ongoing work, in the very solid ongoing material that we have to work with.

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And then when we talk about it, we put it in context without me doing the Egypt side of things.

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It is good, I like this.

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Let's get into this.

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I associate you more than any other individual with the quest to rewrite history.

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That is what you are all about as far as I am concerned.

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And you have been right there in the front lines for a very, very, very long time.

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How did it start?

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How did it start for you?

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Started early, actually.

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I was never one of these genius kids, you know, that you watch these tires some little creatures until it was in every week.

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There is some eight-year-old kid who is standing on his head blank, Beethoven's violence, and not all these ice cream cone.

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And some other tires, some little girl, eight years old, singing, varity, absolutely perfectly.

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So I was never one of those.

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But what I was, what I was, was I was in retrospect, I was psychologically percosis.

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And I knew at the age of 13 or so was a long time ago that I had been born.

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How many of you now joined in here?

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One cat to share that with us.

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How old are you now?

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You know perfectly well how old are you?

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84, you've got to catch up.

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You've got to waste a go to catch up to me.

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Anyway, the, I understood that I've been born into a lunatic asylum, and it was very, very lonely.

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I wanted to be the little boy who says the emperor has no clothes.

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I started out riding novels and plays and scripts and successfully in that they were published or produced mostly anyway.

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But they never made me any money, which is probably a good thing in a way, because I'd be sitting at home and to make mansion somewhere.

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Another, not driving all the way into New York in this horrible rain.

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But seriously, that stayed with me.

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What was it, I forget where it was published.

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And what's called the emperor's new clothes continued.

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And it's what happens when the emperor gets to the back to the palace.

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And all of this, the wheels of empire are put into motion.

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And everybody in the whole empire, the conspires or takes happily engages in the conspiracy.

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Either design well, who says, I'd designing, producing, marketing, and advertising the emperor's new clothes.

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As it become, is declared a non-person who doesn't exist.

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And the emperor's new clothes are real, but little child doesn't exist.

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And in the end, there's even an upside to that, because when winter comes only he stays warm.

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So anyway, that was my parable of the emperor's new clothes.

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And then one thing led to another living on a visa in the island.

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And the visa in the visa.

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That was a great hippy paradise at a certain point.

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In those days, I'm pretty hippy, but it was an effort to be there and get any work done.

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But I did manage what I like it.

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So tell us about Schweller's one line.

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That's one line.

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I was going to mention that because you made it sound as though I invented this.

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And I didn't. I got interested first.

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Well, by first, my first non-fiction book was called a case for astrology.

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I was enough interested in it to write a big book on it, getting put together all of the direct and indirect evidence that there was something to it.

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But that led through another series of strange synchronicities or wouldn't it go into the glasses, except there aren't go into the glasses.

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That led me to the Gertjeff work.

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No, G.I. Gorgia.

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G.I. Gorgia.

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Put up your hands if you haven't heard of G.I. Gorgia.

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A lot of people were watching the...

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And I didn't read Gorgia until very recently, on John continuously urged me to do so.

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And finally, I'm about 60% in to Bill's interest.

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Oh, it's good to start off with that?

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As directed.

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You shouldn't start off by trying to read Gorgia.

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you do not want to do that.

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which is spelled O-U-S-P-E-N-S-K-Y.

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A book called In Search of the Miraculous,

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which we'll talk about Gertjeff system,

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which was...

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in a way, it's like all of the other genuine,

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spiritual systems.

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The difference is that it was designed to be practiced

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in the lunatic asylum.

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I knew a lot about the lunatic asylum.

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Gertjeff called it the pain-roctorate.

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It is not for everyone.

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It just plain isn't.

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not knowing about it.

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So, that's a lot of people who didn't have never heard of Gertjeff.

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The difference was when I read it first,

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he was the only person that I had come across

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who was as contemptuous of Western civilization as I was.

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And I didn't, anyway, not very well.

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I guess, learning to live in it reasonably well.

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He was a lunatic asylum, most of our society.

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So, anyway, that led me nine years in a beset,

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got an all ruined.

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as I could see it happening.

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and I had novel published,

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just almost a film,

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and a couple of occasions, but it wasn't.

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the case for astrology,

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I came across the work of this amazing Frenchman

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with the unpronounceable name,

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Arrace Valère de Lubiques.

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I could tell.

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I had to learn French in order to read the book.

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because it was the only copy I could find

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was in the British Museum.

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Library where you couldn't take books out.

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by my side.

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And at the end, I could understand Schroller well

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enough to transmit it.

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That's the symbol of St. Egypt,

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that you, those of you who come on my trip,

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which is to be about 20 trips,

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I guess, worth of people there.

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Everyone there to come on a trip.

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This was Schroller,

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and Schroller was talking about ancient Egypt,

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and there, believe,

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I would say not believe, but understanding,

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that their civilization went back much,

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much further into the past,

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and he wrote along essay on this,

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based mostly on the Gacco Roman text,

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that's around the time of Caesar,

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and Jesus,

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and he went into all kinds of texts,

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and so on, and built the case with the probability,

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the probable reality of this older stage of Egyptian civilization.

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almost as a throwaway line,

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he said, oh yes, and of course, in French,

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he said, the great swings of Jesus shows

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unmistakable signs of aquatic erosion,

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water weathering.

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that was the game changer that all the rest

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was a scholarly argument, like arguments,

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over Shakespeare, or arguments over a passage,

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and the Bible, they're a better and worse arguments,

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but none of it really amounts to science.

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you could get the backup for it.

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This could rewrite history in and of itself,

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because he was the arguably the greatest statue

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on the face of the earth,

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and perhaps even more to the point,

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the temples on either side of it,

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and by now I've been to each of anyway,

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done a lot of study,

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and the temples alongside it,

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which are built of stones.

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are not showing, but these are whole temples,

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full of them, still in reasonably good shape,

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and he stands way to 75, 150, 200 tons.

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So why didn't you say that?

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If I can just add to that,

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the sphinx is excavated from solid bedrock.

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The core body of the sphinx was created

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by cutting a deep trench around it in the bedrock,

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but that trench in the bedrock of the geese plateau,

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they didn't waste that.

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and they cut it up into just enormous blocks of stone,

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certainly many of them are in excess of a hundred tons,

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and they raised them up in front of the sink.

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do date from the same period,

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and then here's Schwaler saying,

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watery erosion on the sphinx.

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So I could see that this was all going to fit together

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if somebody was, like I'd find,

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the geologist to verify that the sphinx was weathered by water,

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and I had plenty of clues to that,

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but I'm not a geologist and nobody would listen to me.

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So took a long time, and how much time do we have?

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We have an hour.

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Oh, you have plenty of time.

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This is a fun bit of the story.

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Finally, I got friendly with the guy who taught English

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at Boston University who had been teaching English at

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University of Cairo in Egypt,

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00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,000
and there he'd got acquainted with Symbolist Egypt

433
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,000
and my work in Schroller.

434
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,000
And we're having dinner one day, and he said,

435
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,000
is there anything I can do for my academic position

436
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:16,000
to try and get more people interested in Symbolist Egypt?

437
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,000
And without even thinking twice about it,

438
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:22,000
I just had to sure find me an open mind of geologists

439
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,000
to look into this whole swinx theory.

440
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,000
And then I laughed, and he's what he laughing,

441
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,000
and I came out with my line,

442
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,000
and when I invented that line,

443
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,000
finding an open mind of scientists,

444
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:37,000
is like finding a fundamentalist Christian who loves his enemies.

445
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,000
And he said, what do I do?

446
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,000
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

447
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,000
So he wouldn't tell me the name of this.

448
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,000
He said, he's young, but he's got four or five.

449
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,000
He's got four technical books already published.

450
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,000
And you don't handle this.

451
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:51,000
You stay out of this.

452
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:52,000
You're too incendiary.

453
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:53,000
Let me handle this.

454
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,000
Years went by.

455
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,000
And a couple of years.

456
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,000
I keep asking, well, he's very cautious.

457
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,000
He's interested.

458
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:02,000
He wonders.

459
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,000
Anyway, then finally he said, well,

460
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,000
listen, he's up for 10 years,

461
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,000
so he doesn't want to do anything.

462
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:13,000
I can't tell you his name, but I realize,

463
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,000
of course, you're up to 10 year,

464
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,000
and they think you're soon as he say lost civilization.

465
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,000
Everyone thinks, and quite a deemy,

466
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,000
everyone thinks are the A word,

467
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,000
and Atlantis.

468
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,000
I understood that that was the case.

469
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,000
Finally, he was actually up for 10 year,

470
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,000
and then he said, okay, so we had a,

471
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:38,000
he said, let's do a talk at Boston University.

472
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,000
So he arranged that for faculty, faculty,

473
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,000
and friends, and I said, okay,

474
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:48,000
I will do that, so we did that, in fact.

475
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,000
And that went over quite well.

476
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,000
Some of the faculty were

477
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,000
shaking their heads and a lot of the students,

478
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,000
where that's pretty cool.

479
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,000
And long and short of it was the chalk.

480
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,000
Finally, we wrestled up a few pennies,

481
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,000
and got them over there,

482
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,000
and initially, he just couldn't believe,

483
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,000
because it was so obvious that it was water weather.

484
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:11,000
I think it's just a bit about Robert Schock.

485
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,000
So Robert Schock is a professor of geology,

486
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:14,000
that Boston University.

487
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:15,000
That Boston University.

488
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:19,000
The geology of business is PhDs in both from Yale,

489
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:20,000
so it's about...

490
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,000
It's a super qualified and also...

491
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:24,000
Open-minded.

492
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,000
And where you, one of those who was open-minded,

493
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,000
well, you had the problem a bit.

494
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,000
And in fact, when he first got into the,

495
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,000
this is another point I wanted to raise with you.

496
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,000
When we first got into the Swinks enclosure,

497
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,000
and I'm not sure if we got in there legally,

498
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,000
or use this, what works even better in Egypt,

499
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,000
is a bit of buckshish, and got ourselves in there,

500
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,000
and he looked around,

501
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,000
everybody else sees the Swinks,

502
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,000
not sure if he was an unbelievable, brooding statue,

503
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,000
looking out at the horizon,

504
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:57,000
and everybody normally sees the Swinks,

505
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,000
not chalk, chalk, chalk, so the rocks,

506
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,000
particularly of the enclosure wall,

507
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,000
and he said,

508
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,000
while we said these rocks look like

509
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,000
hundreds of thousands of years old,

510
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,000
and then said, don't quote me on that.

511
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,000
And which I wouldn't for years,

512
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,000
I would keep that quiet, actually,

513
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,000
but that was his...

514
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:23,000
educated PhD geological geophysical reaction

515
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,000
to the enclosure wall of the Swinks,

516
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,000
a fantastic, rub-roated surface,

517
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,000
and one thing led to another,

518
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,000
finally, we would, we would,

519
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,000
under there, underfall circumstances as it were.

520
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,000
Anyway, we couldn't use that as official

521
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,000
to break the news, and so we scratched together

522
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,000
a bit more money, and now this,

523
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,000
when I was in the middle of the world,

524
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,000
I was going to imagine how easy that's going to be

525
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,000
to bite, because things just rambled on forever,

526
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,000
and just take out the us and the us.

527
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,000
And we scratched together enough money,

528
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:00,000
and we got permission to go in there,

529
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:01,000
and news the seismographs,

530
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,000
and we didn't get permission to use it.

531
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,000
And then we got permission to go in there,

532
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:08,000
and news the seismographs, and we didn't get permission to use it.

533
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,000
And then we got permission to go in there,

534
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,000
and news the seismographs, and we didn't get permission to use it.

535
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,000
And then we got permission to go in there,

536
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,000
and we got permission to go in there,

537
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,000
and we got permission to go in there,

538
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,000
and we got permission to go in there,

539
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,000
and we got permission to go in there,

540
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,000
and we got permission to go in there,

541
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,000
and we got permission to go in there,

542
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,000
and we got permission to go in there,

543
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,000
and we got permission to go in there,

544
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,000
and we got permission to go in there,

545
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,000
and we got permission to go in there,

546
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,000
and we got permission to go in there,

547
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,000
and we got permission to go in there,

548
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,000
and we got permission to go in there,

549
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,000
and we got permission to go in there,

550
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,000
and we got permission to go in there,

551
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,000
and we got permission to go in there,

552
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,000
and we got permission to go in there,

553
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,000
and we got permission to go in there,

554
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,000
and we got permission to go in there,

555
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,000
and we got permission to go in there,

556
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,000
and we got permission to go in there,

557
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,000
and we got permission to go in there,

558
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,000
and we got permission to go in there,

559
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,000
and we got permission to go in there,

560
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,000
and we got permission to go in there,

561
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,000
and we got permission to go in there,

562
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,000
and we got permission to go in there,

563
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,000
and that's, you might say,

564
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:15,000
it's the, it's the super bowl of geology,

565
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,000
anybody with anything new,

566
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:18,000
or anything good,

567
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,000
or challenging to say,

568
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,000
presented at the GSA,

569
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,000
and Chakan High spent a whole afternoon at my place,

570
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,000
trying to make this sound boring,

571
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,000
so that we didn't,

572
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,000
so we didn't scare him away,

573
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,000
but they still understood that there was,

574
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:36,000
there was the possibility of news through this,

575
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:37,000
and sure enough,

576
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,000
we were the,

577
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,000
really, we were the,

578
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,000
we were the head of the show,

579
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,000
I mean, with his New York Times,

580
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,000
and all the scientific magazines,

581
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,000
I remember the massive coverage,

582
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,000
we hadn't even met then,

583
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,000
but, you could be much older than,

584
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,000
that's right, and,

585
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,000
he really pissed the Egyptology saw,

586
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,000
oh, they were furious about this,

587
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,000
and in fact,

588
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:02,000
this is where we come to,

589
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,000
and the science editor of the Boston Globe,

590
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,000
teaches at Boston University,

591
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,000
interviewed us by telephonic,

592
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,000
first of the interviewed Chakan,

593
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:14,000
Chakwaz's usual polite academic self,

594
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:17,000
who explained carefully what it was,

595
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,000
and why they were that angry,

596
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,000
and then he interviewed me,

597
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:22,000
and he said, well, you know,

598
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,000
the geologists are all in favor of this,

599
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,000
what gets them so furious,

600
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,000
because you can't imagine what the things that they were calling us,

601
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:32,000
and I said, well,

602
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,000
look, this is about the weathering patterns,

603
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:35,000
and rocks,

604
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,000
and it comes to the weathering patterns,

605
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:38,000
and rocks,

606
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,000
the opinions of Egyptologists and archaeologists,

607
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:44,000
there's no more valid than the opinions of proctologists,

608
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,000
and he published this,

609
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,000
and,

610
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,000
and the Boston Globe,

611
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:56,000
and this did not have the conciliatory effect upon

612
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,000
the archaeology department,

613
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,000
the Boston University,

614
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,000
and there was a furious,

615
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,000
character assassination of Chakwaz,

616
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:11,000
really awful by this woman who doesn't know that we're coming out,

617
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,000
pretty quickly,

618
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:17,000
and she wrote this scandalous character assassination of Chakwaz,

619
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:18,000
and I think, oh, Chakwaz,

620
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,000
you can't let him get away with that,

621
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,000
okay, it's in house,

622
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:23,000
Boston,

623
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:24,000
be you,

624
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:25,000
paper,

625
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,000
but still, you can't let it get away with it,

626
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,000
no, no, he said, let it slide a little past,

627
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,000
and I said, well, you do mind a vibrator,

628
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,000
and so I said, no, you had long as it's just from you,

629
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:35,000
and not from the university,

630
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,000
so I did, and I said, you know,

631
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,000
I understand you can guys look,

632
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:44,000
umbridge at this comparison of Egyptologists

633
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,000
and archaeologists who proctologists,

634
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,000
and I said, you have got to tell you that proctologists

635
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,000
didn't like it either,

636
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,000
they,

637
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,000
they,

638
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:58,000
they said their job was to cure sick assholes,

639
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:01,000
it, like, in, like being compared to them,

640
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,000
hahahaha.

641
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:07,000
hahahaha.

642
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,000
That's the end of that chapter,

643
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,000
but it's not the beginning of the next chapter,

644
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:16,000
which comes along sometimes soon, I think.

645
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,000
Well, I mean,

646
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,000
if you're, you're there,

647
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,000
it's 1991,

648
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:26,000
you're proposing that probably the single most famous object

649
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,000
of the ancient world,

650
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:31,000
the sphinx, which we have been taught in schools

651
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,000
and universities and the media pit that sphinx

652
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:36,000
is supposed to be 4500 years old,

653
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,000
uh, linked to a known civilization and culture,

654
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,000
and suddenly you're saying,

655
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:42,000
ah, ah, no,

656
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,000
it's thousands of years older than that,

657
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,000
actually that throws everything up into the,

658
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:47,000
up into the air,

659
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,000
it's not just a matter of the sphinx.

660
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:52,000
No, everything we think about the origins of human civilization

661
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:53,000
is questioned by that,

662
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,000
and a lot of people have vested interests in preserving

663
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:57,000
the slowest.

664
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:58,000
Oh, well, the post.

665
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,000
They're there.

666
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,000
Break.

667
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:08,000
It's actually the vested interests are one

668
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:11,000
on the practical side, on the professional side,

669
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,000
but more on the personal side,

670
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,000
it means that they put all of their time

671
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,000
into these PhDs.

672
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:20,000
That cave's probably there.

673
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,000
Let's face it as an academic.

674
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,000
There's not much money in it,

675
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:28,000
and there's very rarely is there any kind of fame in it.

676
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,000
So the ego of an academic,

677
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:34,000
by and large, is concerned with,

678
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,000
is involved with his or her,

679
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:37,000
and certain cases,

680
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,000
his or her ego.

681
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,000
And a long comes guy from Adel at Field

682
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,000
and one gangly tall,

683
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:46,000
geologist with all of credentials from Yale,

684
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:50,000
but this is Egyptology, not archaeology, not geology,

685
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,000
so what do they care?

686
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:56,000
And telling them that everything that they've studied,

687
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,000
and that they're teaching poor kids,

688
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,000
we don't know any better, is wrong.

689
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,000
So they're not going to like you very much.

690
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:05,000
And not all of that, but it gets picked up by the media,

691
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,000
and it becomes a big story,

692
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,000
which they can't just shove under the context.

693
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:10,000
They cannot do anymore,

694
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,000
because they could do that in the old days.

695
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:13,000
Before the internet.

696
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:14,000
What?

697
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:15,000
Yeah.

698
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:16,000
Yeah, before the internet.

699
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:17,000
So one thing led to another,

700
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,000
and we had this chart in Heston,

701
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:20,000
and we had a big video,

702
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,000
which was a huge success,

703
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:23,000
didn't make any money,

704
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:24,000
because my partner Boris,

705
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:25,000
who saw he'd,

706
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,000
the famous Boris Stola,

707
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,000
150,000 dollars out of the till.

708
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,000
So he couldn't go back.

709
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,000
We were referring to the mystery of the sphinx.

710
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:34,000
Yeah, the mystery of the sphinx.

711
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:35,000
And we see,

712
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:36,000
and we see,

713
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:37,000
documentary,

714
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:42,000
which really took your work and spread it to a massive level.

715
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,000
Yeah, millions and millions of people,

716
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,000
unfortunately, didn't pay anything to watch it.

717
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,000
But he got his stolen buck, Boris.

718
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:50,000
Oh dear.

719
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:51,000
To get women,

720
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:52,000
he was interested in,

721
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:53,000
in Tibet,

722
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,000
which isn't the worst way to spend money.

723
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,000
Boris was so not mine money.

724
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:00,000
Boris was sort of the producer of the show.

725
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:01,000
He was the producer.

726
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:02,000
And he was a rally driver.

727
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,000
I remember being terrifyingly driven up a sandwich,

728
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,000
and he'd eat it by Boris's side.

729
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:11,000
Yeah, he'd been in a formula one driver for Ferrari.

730
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:14,000
This is guy who's not physically afraid of anything.

731
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:16,000
Unfortunately.

732
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:19,000
And that's where the money went.

733
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,000
But I'm still without Boris.

734
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:22,000
It wouldn't have happened.

735
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,000
I never would have made this happen.

736
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:25,000
I don't think it would have been a huge impact.

737
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:28,000
It was presented by Charlton Heston as a record.

738
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:29,000
Yeah.

739
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:32,000
Not exactly my politics, but nobody.

740
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:35,000
But he put it, he put it at that level.

741
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:36,000
Right, obviously.

742
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:37,000
And he liked it.

743
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:38,000
I mean, this is the funny thing.

744
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:39,000
The right is,

745
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,000
like these kinds of ideas.

746
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:42,000
And it's the lefties,

747
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:43,000
and the right ones.

748
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749
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762
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764
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766
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767
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769
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784
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786
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787
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788
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789
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795
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799
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815
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819
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821
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822
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823
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824
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826
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827
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828
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829
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831
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834
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835
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836
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837
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838
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839
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840
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843
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844
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845
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848
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849
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852
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861
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864
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865
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866
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867
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868
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869
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870
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874
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875
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877
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880
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890
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894
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895
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899
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902
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903
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904
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905
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906
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907
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908
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909
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910
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911
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912
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913
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914
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915
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916
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917
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918
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919
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920
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921
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922
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923
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924
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925
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926
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927
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928
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929
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930
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931
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932
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933
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934
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935
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936
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937
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938
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939
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940
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941
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942
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943
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944
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945
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946
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947
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948
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949
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950
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955
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956
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959
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960
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961
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962
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963
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964
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965
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966
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967
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And when necessary, it should have been unnecessary if there were such a thing as a genuinely

968
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respectable and open-minded, clear.

969
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I know, he was right to use the word open-minded, bunch of scientists and scholars out there

970
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:47,720
because the cave art itself and now with Chauvet that pushes it back to 31,000 BC before you had

971
00:50:47,720 --> 00:50:53,520
Altamera and Lasco, which they were dating at 17,000, 19,000 BC.

972
00:50:53,520 --> 00:51:01,200
These are geniuses who are painting these bare, curved, unfinished walls in such a way that they were

973
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:03,720
heightening the perspective and all the rest.

974
00:51:03,720 --> 00:51:08,840
You didn't need anything other than that to prove that it's a sophisticated civilization.

975
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:12,040
They think that illumination comes from a electricity.

976
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:13,880
And it has nothing to do with it.

977
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:18,920
But it is a illumination might, but enlightenment doesn't come from light bulbs.

978
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:24,840
But I do think there's one point, which is that hunter-gatherer societies don't generate

979
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:26,560
surpluses to a large extent.

980
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:29,640
They are living often very comfortably from day to day.

981
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:34,080
It's an untold story of hunter-gatherers that actually infamments in South Africa that have

982
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:35,080
occurred.

983
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:37,600
It's the agriculturalists who starve.

984
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:39,320
The hunter-gatherers are just fine.

985
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:43,720
And for example, Botswana and the Mibia, they do fine.

986
00:51:43,720 --> 00:51:49,240
But I suppose the one difference is that an agricultural society can set aside and store

987
00:51:49,240 --> 00:51:54,960
surpluses, which can then, they argument at any rate, is that they can free people to develop

988
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:58,680
specialist skills in areas like stone working and so on.

989
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:00,080
And that's the explanation of stone.

990
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:03,760
But this is Baloney too, because look at those caves.

991
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:07,200
This is at a time when there isn't that going on.

992
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:12,200
And somebody was having time to create these astonishing works allowed.

993
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:13,200
Good point.

994
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:18,760
Picasso learned to paint bulls from, I think, Altamiro or Lascor, one of those places.

995
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:25,280
And then, along comes Chovey, which is exponentially superior to the other ones.

996
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:28,440
And that day date at 31,000 BC.

997
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:32,200
And this day, I was talking all this garbage about that this may have to make archaeologists

998
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:34,360
change your minds in blah, blah, blah.

999
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,000
Well, that I'll have any minds to change it to the easy.

1000
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:44,000
But this is what is frustrating.

1001
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:47,360
I think Graham is more frustrated by this stuff than I am.

1002
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:52,880
My Guru Jeff training teaches me that whoever and whatever presses your buttons as

1003
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:58,400
your master, and I personally do not like being a slave, I work very hard and not getting

1004
00:52:58,440 --> 00:52:59,400
my buttons closed.

1005
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:04,400
It's a fairly with some success, I must say.

1006
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:05,400
Yeah.

1007
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:09,760
So let's move on slightly.

1008
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:13,160
Why is it important to get history right?

1009
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:20,160
Why is it important to dig out these facts that are so unwelcome to the official orbiters

1010
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:21,160
of history?

1011
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:22,160
Why does it matter?

1012
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:27,960
Why should we care really if this thing is much older, if there was a deeply

1013
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:34,280
wise and spiritually sophisticated civilization in the remote parts, why should we care?

1014
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:36,240
Well, we wouldn't.

1015
00:53:36,240 --> 00:53:38,600
There was no reason to care.

1016
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:42,280
We had a civilization of our own worth calling a civilization.

1017
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:43,280
But we don't.

1018
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:49,120
We have a fraudulent religion, which they don't even, which they call progress.

1019
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:52,320
And I call the church of progress.

1020
00:53:52,360 --> 00:54:00,880
That is absolutely pernicious both on the personal land, on the cosmic level.

1021
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:06,320
We're in the process of destroying ourselves with all our stupid ass technology.

1022
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:14,240
And getting nothing for it, I mean the five cowboys explain it, practically everybody

1023
00:54:14,240 --> 00:54:21,200
even in this room will be spending much of their time, I bet, doing stuff that does not

1024
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:27,080
in any way enhance or feed your soul or anything other than pay the rent.

1025
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:28,760
I take bets on that.

1026
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:35,360
The number of us who manage to actually make a living out of doing what we want is very

1027
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:40,200
small and usually as I said, it's great cost.

1028
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:44,640
So that's why otherwise if we had a civilization of our own, no, I bother.

1029
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:46,640
Then it's just an academic question.

1030
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:54,240
If you could pick the lessons, what can we learn from Ancient Egypt?

1031
00:54:54,240 --> 00:54:59,040
I agree with you that Ancient Egypt is, well, it's one of you, one of your famous lines,

1032
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:04,680
that the Ancient Egypt is not a development, it's a legacy.

1033
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:08,280
So they are bringing down knowledge from a remote past.

1034
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:13,280
But what would be the key elements of that knowledge, which we could apply to our society

1035
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:18,360
today and somehow make things better if that were possible?

1036
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:26,040
Well, I guess this is where the dead saint's chronicles comes in that probably in very

1037
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:30,680
old age and times, the hunter gather is so what?

1038
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:34,960
They had stone axes and they chipped away at things, I mean you see some of the things

1039
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:40,400
that they've done, that they date very old, this is not, you probably thought, that Turkish

1040
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:46,320
bracelet, that day to day, thousand BC made of obsidian, that employees are very complicated,

1041
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:51,960
geometry, and blah, blah, this is eight thousand BC.

1042
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:58,440
And what we're talking about then with these ancient societies is that they're probably,

1043
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:03,480
when they talk about the Garden of Eden, it's probably not a physical place, it probably

1044
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:09,640
is a condition or a spiritual state, I think, and these people are living in something

1045
00:56:09,720 --> 00:56:12,720
approaching a state of grace or something like that.

1046
00:56:12,720 --> 00:56:15,560
And we just have, we have no access to that.

1047
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:20,200
I mean, we can't even imagine what it is unless we live with the average and his, or,

1048
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:21,200
what is your question?

1049
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:25,760
So when you cast your mind back, I remember we've had conversations about the things many times,

1050
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:30,400
and I know that you are open to the possibility that this thing is even much older.

1051
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:36,680
I think you're persuaded by the astronomical argument, but you make the point that the age

1052
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:39,760
of Leo recurs every 26,000 years.

1053
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:46,480
And the Egyptian texts themselves, the Pralarmostone and the Turntropyrus, that talk about

1054
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:51,920
these earlier periods and give the regional years of these supposedly mythical kings.

1055
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:57,080
And when you put them all together, which is what Traller did, you get 34, 36,000 years,

1056
00:56:57,080 --> 00:57:00,080
so we're closing in on an earlier age of Leo.

1057
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:06,440
Shocks initial reaction, who, how these rocks look like the hundreds of thousands of years old,

1058
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:11,000
and that's not from a guy who exaggerates much.

1059
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:15,880
I mean, that's from a cautious guy just taking a look at this.

1060
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:21,560
So this is one of the things really that we want to do is to get together a panel of geologists

1061
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:23,160
to go over and study that.

1062
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:24,000
What do we've never had?

1063
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:27,480
We've never had the opportunity or the money to get the permissions.

1064
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:32,040
Now we think we can get them, because now Shocks finally, 20 years later, has his own

1065
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:35,400
university agreeing that maybe he's worth supporting.

1066
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:42,760
So not money to have any money, but in terms of prestige, all of a sudden, the university

1067
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:49,120
is saying to help with you to the archaeologist and this being supportive, so maybe.

1068
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:56,360
But what's at stake is, as I said, is philosophical and immaterial as it were, it's something

1069
00:57:56,360 --> 00:58:00,360
that's going to help us make more money or anything of the sort of whatever it is that

1070
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:02,600
we do, whatever our jobs are.

1071
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:10,200
It's that it changes the whole way you approach your day on an individual and the collective

1072
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:19,000
basis, sure that there's something worth driving for, that just isn't the mortgage or

1073
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:26,520
the payments on the car, but that is the lack of a better word, soul, fulfilling and

1074
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:27,520
soul expanding.

1075
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:28,520
Yes.

1076
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:30,400
So something of the sort?

1077
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:37,040
When you consider this, at the heart of this, is a notion of a loss civilization,

1078
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:42,120
but listening to you now, you're making very valid points about hunter gatherer societies

1079
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:48,200
that they rightly and properly also deserve to be called a civilization.

1080
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:56,040
But when you look back on the notion of a loss civilization, are you envisaging something

1081
00:58:56,120 --> 00:59:00,400
psychologically advanced in the way that we are, we regard ourselves as, certainly are you

1082
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:08,680
envisaging a complex structured urban-based, the whole suite of things that are associated

1083
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:13,760
with the word civilization today, or are you thinking along hunter gatherer lines, clarify

1084
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:14,760
your thinking on that?

1085
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:23,440
Those actually, when doesn't, as you pointed out, when you had the rain forest,

1086
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:29,480
and who's to say that we're more civilized than they were, what's goes on inside them?

1087
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:30,480
Yeah.

1088
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:31,480
Really, exactly.

1089
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:37,360
So, and you could also, we're so used to seeing it manifest in terms of buildings

1090
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:43,120
and what we call sophistication, but doesn't have to be that way.

1091
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:51,920
The whole civilization could last for thousands of years expressing their deepest feelings

1092
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:56,960
and the deepest knowledge in dance and they wouldn't leave any trace of it whatsoever.

1093
00:59:56,960 --> 01:00:00:02,440
But yet, members of those civilizations would have been deeply fulfilled and had a meaningful

1094
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:03,800
and purposeful life.

1095
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:04,800
Yeah.

1096
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:11,560
But then, if we consider these things, and we consider those hundred-tun blocks that are shifted

1097
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:16,360
in front of those things and turned into two extraordinary temples, that surely involves

1098
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:21,280
something other than just manpower or what does it involve?

1099
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:22,280
What does it come to?

1100
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:23,280
I don't know.

1101
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:28,040
It's certainly involves manpower in some way, shape, or, for, for, since men did it,

1102
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:31,680
not machines and not aliens, at least I don't think aliens.

1103
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:35,680
Poor aliens, they get a bad rap on the time.

1104
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:36,680
But, like, aliens.

1105
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:38,280
Let's go light on the aliens.

1106
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:42,480
Yeah, I mean, I know some people who I think are aliens.

1107
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:43,480
They're nice.

1108
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:44,480
I like them.

1109
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:48,120
Not just don't think they built the pyramids, yeah, the swakes.

1110
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:51,160
They, I don't know.

1111
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:56,840
Whatever impels them to do that at that stage, you know, we're now talking, right?

1112
01:00:56,840 --> 01:01:00,880
We're talking at least 10,000 years ago, maybe more.

1113
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:01,880
Yeah.

1114
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:08,320
Prior, probably, to the younger dryers, we're talking about what's going on in ice age times.

1115
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:11,440
And they're wheeling and dealing around these huge blocks.

1116
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:16,720
So I maybe it's just, they're having fun with, you know, seriously.

1117
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:23,560
But doesn't it imply some kind of, to use the word technology or something?

1118
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:28,600
And are you open to the notion that the ancients had perhaps a different way of manipulating

1119
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:29,600
matter than we do?

1120
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:35,080
Almost almost almost almost seems a prerequisite because it doesn't seem possible with

1121
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:41,880
anything that we know about moving and cutting stones to do that.

1122
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:46,560
I mean, you say we were talking about not being able to put a piece of paper between blocks

1123
01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:47,560
of stone.

1124
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:49,560
Yeah, bigger than that piano.

1125
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:50,560
Yeah.

1126
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:53,720
I mean, a lot bigger than the piano when you can't put a piece of paper between them.

1127
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:54,720
Yeah.

1128
01:01:54,720 --> 01:02:03,880
Well, it raises more questions than it answers because, hey, how did they do this?

1129
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:05,720
That's a complete mystery.

1130
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:10,480
And then why did they even want to do this to that level of perfection?

1131
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:12,280
That's another huge mystery.

1132
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:19,520
I mean, really, the more and the more you get into these things, the more, I was saying,

1133
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:26,360
the more wonderful the mystery becomes because you, at first, you don't get it.

1134
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:32,200
I mean, you don't unless you, unless you've, even if you've studied a lot and read a lot

1135
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:36,000
of the books, you can't get it that you see it in front of your nose.

1136
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:40,640
And then almost every day you're looking at things and say, well, God, how did they possibly

1137
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:41,640
do this?

1138
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:45,280
And then the question hard on it, heels is, why would they want to?

1139
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:51,040
And it's something probably analogous to it.

1140
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:52,240
That's, that's commonplace.

1141
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:58,240
I mean, why does a runner try to run, you know, kill himself to break point two tenths of

1142
01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:01,640
a second off so that he's faster than the other guy?

1143
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:04,520
I think of that sort, except probably not an ego involved.

1144
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:08,760
I don't think at certain level of an ego's involved in that either are the mountain climbers

1145
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:11,600
of the people who are doing all of the people.

1146
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:15,160
People who want to challenge themselves, who want to challenge themselves in somewhere

1147
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:16,440
or another.

1148
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:23,720
And we do it to this day, but we don't do it in concert to produce works of art.

1149
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:24,720
Yeah.

1150
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:31,480
I sometimes wonder if the thing that we call progress, technology, civilization, is

1151
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:37,680
really a regression that there are, but there are faculties of the human mind.

1152
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:44,280
I'm getting a bit woo-woo here, but psi power, which we talk of telepathy, telekinesis,

1153
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:48,600
these kind of things, perhaps they are native faculties of the human mind, but perhaps

1154
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:55,280
they've lapsed with this huge technological imposition that we are so grateful for, but

1155
01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:56,840
at the same time, enslaves us.

1156
01:03:56,840 --> 01:03:59,240
No, 100% agreed with that.

1157
01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:00,240
Yeah.

1158
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:01,440
I think that's the case.

1159
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:08,440
Actually, a couple of funny little stories, Schroller talks about, I don't know if his experience

1160
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:13,040
or not, or if his Marcel Greole, anyway, it's about 1912 or so.

1161
01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:19,200
And the missionaries are trying to convert the locals wherever they are in Africa,

1162
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:23,840
somewhere there with the tribes, local tribesmen, into good Christians.

1163
01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:29,080
And he tells the chief, then, to Maro, look above, he knows that there's a plain schedule,

1164
01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:36,000
the male plane to go ahead, and you'll see flying men, and the chiefsman is very interested

1165
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:41,000
in that, and so he's there at the appointed time, and he looks at the plane going overhead,

1166
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:42,400
and he says, bar machinery.

1167
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:43,400
Right.

1168
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:45,400
Oh, like that.

1169
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:46,400
Yeah.

1170
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:47,400
So, what?

1171
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:48,400
It's a machinery.

1172
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:49,400
Yeah.

1173
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:51,400
I feel roughly the same way that's.

1174
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:55,840
I mean, there are some accounts, I forget exactly where I saw them now, of these huge

1175
01:04:55,840 --> 01:04:57,840
blocks being sung into.

1176
01:04:57,880 --> 01:05:03,760
Is it a betin that Swedish guy writing in a German newspaper about them lifting?

1177
01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:04,760
Lifting action, I would say.

1178
01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:05,760
I would say, I would say, I would say.

1179
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:06,760
Yeah, I would say.

1180
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:07,760
I would say.

1181
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:08,760
Yeah.

1182
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:12,880
Of raising a substantial boulder up into the sky, and maybe something like that would explain

1183
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:15,200
what we see around this thing.

1184
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:21,520
Maybe, but again, you're left with the question of why would they want to do it

1185
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:22,520
anyway?

1186
01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:26,160
Because of the beauty of the thing, the majesty of the power that it is.

1187
01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:28,920
It has still, I mean, this is the thing.

1188
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:35,720
You go to these, there's not much that's intact nowadays of ancient sacred art.

1189
01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:40,720
But when it's more or less intact, as it is in Egypt, and it isn't certain the mosques

1190
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:50,520
and the temples of India, and you've seen enough of it, and you think that these things connect

1191
01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:51,520
you.

1192
01:05:51,520 --> 01:06:00,600
So, to something higher within you, and maybe they built these, maybe it was in a way,

1193
01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:07,880
I'm just ballparking it, but maybe it was their way of counteracting a descending force,

1194
01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:12,920
in other words, a kind of a setting and force that was making them more material, and this

1195
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:21,300
was a way of spiritualizing that very proclivity, that pull toward, and that

1196
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:24,240
toward the material, maybe.

1197
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:33,180
You've spoken of symbolist Egypt as a, well, given the flood of technology and the very

1198
01:06:33,180 --> 01:06:39,940
real possibility of modern civilizations literally imploding and self-destructing.

1199
01:06:39,940 --> 01:06:45,620
You've spoken of symbolist Egypt as a kind of arc that can carry us forward through that.

1200
01:06:45,620 --> 01:06:47,660
Well, take that a little further, let's say.

1201
01:06:47,900 --> 01:06:53,980
Well, yeah, I think when it lines at that symbolist Egypt is the blueprint for an arc,

1202
01:06:53,980 --> 01:06:59,620
it's, we were not going to mummify Pharaohs again, or have Pharaohs probably not, or any

1203
01:06:59,620 --> 01:07:09,260
of those other things that they did have, but the principles that are embodied in their

1204
01:07:09,260 --> 01:07:14,900
so-called gods, who are not gods, they're principles, and the interaction between them

1205
01:07:14,980 --> 01:07:21,900
is their mythology, it's a full of astronomy and astrology, and also some things like that.

1206
01:07:21,900 --> 01:07:28,340
And so it stands, I would say, as a model, in other words, if they could do it, we could

1207
01:07:28,340 --> 01:07:33,460
do it, but we'd go out in a different way and we'd do different things, but let's say,

1208
01:07:33,460 --> 01:07:39,740
the motivation would be the same, which is to access those higher powers that we do,

1209
01:07:39,740 --> 01:07:41,340
in fact, have within us.

1210
01:07:41,660 --> 01:07:43,940
And to reconnect, reconnect to spirit.

1211
01:07:43,940 --> 01:07:44,940
Yes, yeah.

1212
01:07:44,940 --> 01:07:50,380
I would think so, just as your ayahuasca and my ayahuasca experience, I talked John into going

1213
01:07:50,380 --> 01:07:52,540
and doing some ayahuasca sessions in Brazil.

1214
01:07:56,540 --> 01:07:58,540
You didn't have to do much talking, I guess.

1215
01:07:58,540 --> 01:07:59,740
No, I did.

1216
01:07:59,740 --> 01:08:01,540
Off he went like a rocket.

1217
01:08:01,540 --> 01:08:02,540
Yes.

1218
01:08:03,940 --> 01:08:08,340
And so, yes, so this whole thing,

1219
01:08:09,340 --> 01:08:18,740
the symbol of siege, it adds that philosophical side to it, which otherwise just looks

1220
01:08:18,740 --> 01:08:25,940
like, as mostly science and it's good science, to overthrow our picture of the past, but

1221
01:08:25,940 --> 01:08:29,340
the reason to overthrow it is that the present is such a hellhouse.

1222
01:08:29,340 --> 01:08:29,340

1223
01:08:29,340 --> 01:08:31,340
You know, such a brothel.

1224
01:08:31,340 --> 01:08:35,340
It's a hellhouse desperately trying to disguise itself as a paradise.

1225
01:08:36,340 --> 01:08:39,540
Yeah, that's actually pretty good.

1226
01:08:39,540 --> 01:08:41,740
That's about what it is.

1227
01:08:41,740 --> 01:08:42,340
Yeah.

1228
01:08:42,340 --> 01:08:50,860
So, that actually adds, I mean, there's a reason for doing all of this and it's not just to make

1229
01:08:50,860 --> 01:08:56,340
fools of all the equanimics, which is fun and it's on right, but it can lead anywhere,

1230
01:08:56,340 --> 01:09:04,140
well, by itself, but it's important to, it's very important, as far as I'm concerned,

1231
01:09:04,140 --> 01:09:08,540
to this and power them.

1232
01:09:08,540 --> 01:09:13,740
Yeah, because they have a stranglehold on how people should think, I think this is the main,

1233
01:09:13,740 --> 01:09:15,140
the main problem.

1234
01:09:15,140 --> 01:09:19,540
And it's something that we don't always realize clearly, because it seems a universal

1235
01:09:19,540 --> 01:09:24,540
good to have an education system and we're taught things, but actually from birth,

1236
01:09:24,540 --> 01:09:28,340
really, or certainly from the age of one or two, actually from birth, we're being channeled

1237
01:09:28,340 --> 01:09:34,100
into particular lines of thought, which automatically constricts and limits our, our

1238
01:09:34,500 --> 01:09:35,700
potential to think of the ones.

1239
01:09:35,700 --> 01:09:41,300
Yes, and the purpose of school, once you, you know, they drop the ax on you and they make

1240
01:09:41,300 --> 01:09:46,300
you go there, is designed to stifle your creativity.

1241
01:09:46,300 --> 01:09:51,100
The first things they cut when they're looking for budgets and stuff like that is the cut,

1242
01:09:51,100 --> 01:09:56,900
the, is to cut the creativity out, the cut out the arts and concentrate on this stupid

1243
01:09:56,900 --> 01:10:01,900
economics and finance and phony science and the rest.

1244
01:10:02,900 --> 01:10:05,900
Victor Hugo talked about the strongest thing in the world.

1245
01:10:05,900 --> 01:10:06,900
What is that?

1246
01:10:07,900 --> 01:10:11,900
Yes, well, he said there's one thing stronger than all the armies in the world.

1247
01:10:11,900 --> 01:10:14,500
And that is an idea whose time has come.

1248
01:10:14,500 --> 01:10:17,500
Sounds great, and it's great, good line.

1249
01:10:17,500 --> 01:10:23,700
But what Victor Hugo didn't think of, and probably didn't occur to him, is one,

1250
01:10:23,700 --> 01:10:27,300
the idea whose time has come is not necessarily a good idea.

1251
01:10:27,300 --> 01:10:29,900
Fascism is an idea whose time came.

1252
01:10:29,900 --> 01:10:32,900
And it's still looking around the corner.

1253
01:10:32,900 --> 01:10:38,500
Even worse, the second strongest thing in the world is an idea whose time has not yet gone.

1254
01:10:38,500 --> 01:10:43,500
And that's what we're dealing with on the daily basis, on a minute by minute by basis,

1255
01:10:43,500 --> 01:10:52,500
because all of the armies in the world literally or de facto are, are in, in, in

1256
01:10:52,500 --> 01:11:00,100
the role to our, or our employed to, or our pledge to, defending the idea whose time has not yet gone,

1257
01:11:00,100 --> 01:11:01,100
that's our problem.

1258
01:11:01,100 --> 01:11:06,900
And if we don't realize that we've got a problem, there's a lot of new AG stuff out there,

1259
01:11:06,900 --> 01:11:11,100
you rub two crystals together, and we're all going to be like, oh, he's well, and I'm all going

1260
01:11:11,100 --> 01:11:14,500
to be one again, not without a lot of work.

1261
01:11:14,500 --> 01:11:15,500
Yeah, from a lot of people.

1262
01:11:15,500 --> 01:11:22,100
So there's this, it's kind of a battle of ideas in a way between the idea whose time has

1263
01:11:22,100 --> 01:11:28,220
come or should have come, and the idea whose time is not yet over.

1264
01:11:28,220 --> 01:11:33,300
And I think you and I have found ourselves frequently in the firing line of...

1265
01:11:33,300 --> 01:11:35,740
Oh, yeah, well, we put ourselves there, I don't mind.

1266
01:11:35,740 --> 01:11:36,740
Yeah.

1267
01:11:36,740 --> 01:11:37,740
We volunteer.

1268
01:11:37,740 --> 01:11:38,740
Really, we volunteer.

1269
01:11:38,740 --> 01:11:39,740
Yeah, yeah.

1270
01:11:39,740 --> 01:11:44,340
And we live long enough, our time will come.

1271
01:11:44,340 --> 01:11:45,340
Yeah.

1272
01:11:45,340 --> 01:11:49,340
So do you sense this that there is a real shift under work?

1273
01:11:49,340 --> 01:11:50,340
Yeah.

1274
01:11:50,340 --> 01:11:51,340
Thanks, sir.

1275
01:11:51,380 --> 01:11:52,340
I do.

1276
01:11:52,340 --> 01:11:53,340
It's a bit difficult.

1277
01:11:53,340 --> 01:11:56,700
You have to be careful about this, because here we have everybody here and they're all

1278
01:11:56,700 --> 01:12:01,580
enjoying themselves, at least most of them are, or the two people I believe anyway.

1279
01:12:01,580 --> 01:12:03,820
But they seem to be enjoying themselves.

1280
01:12:03,820 --> 01:12:07,780
But you know, there are a lot more people, where were the hell they're playing something

1281
01:12:07,780 --> 01:12:13,020
or another tonight who couldn't care less about what we're talking about.

1282
01:12:13,020 --> 01:12:21,300
So we are numerically, there's quite a number of us statistically, we almost don't exist.

1283
01:12:21,740 --> 01:12:29,740
But it only doesn't take a majority to turn things around and as Mark Twain said, whenever

1284
01:12:29,740 --> 01:12:35,860
I find myself siding with the majority, I know it's time to reconsider my position.

1285
01:12:35,860 --> 01:12:38,220
That's my favorite quote.

1286
01:12:38,220 --> 01:12:39,220
Great.

1287
01:12:39,220 --> 01:12:40,220
These are advice.

1288
01:12:40,220 --> 01:12:41,220
Yeah.

1289
01:12:41,220 --> 01:12:50,100
So, but yeah, it seems to be, it seems to be turning, or could turn, it needs, you might

1290
01:12:50,100 --> 01:12:55,060
say, it's sort of a, what was the way the uncle Tom said?

1291
01:12:55,060 --> 01:12:57,180
It needs a uncle Tom's cabin moment.

1292
01:12:57,180 --> 01:13:01,460
We're a single book, at least this is the legend.

1293
01:13:01,460 --> 01:13:09,340
Really brought on the whole emancipation proclamation and the civil war was a horrible war,

1294
01:13:09,340 --> 01:13:14,460
but which nevertheless did turn things around to a certain extent anyway, at least here

1295
01:13:14,460 --> 01:13:16,460
in the book as Dan.

1296
01:13:16,460 --> 01:13:18,100
And, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and,

1297
01:13:18,140 --> 01:13:19,100
that's another John West.

1298
01:13:19,100 --> 01:13:20,100
That's not my, that's not yours.

1299
01:13:20,100 --> 01:13:21,100
That's not yours.

1300
01:13:21,100 --> 01:13:22,100
Not my original one.

1301
01:13:22,100 --> 01:13:23,100
Okay.

1302
01:13:23,100 --> 01:13:30,220
When Bush stole the second election, um, somebody, somebody published a map, and I tried to find

1303
01:13:30,220 --> 01:13:33,300
out who it was, and I couldn't track it to its source.

1304
01:13:33,300 --> 01:13:38,820
And the map, what I did as I adjusted the num and clature, the map had the red states

1305
01:13:38,820 --> 01:13:43,300
in the, it was a map of North American, the red states were all in red, and that was Mark

1306
01:13:43,300 --> 01:13:44,300
Tom Fuckestan.

1307
01:13:44,540 --> 01:13:49,940
And the blue states and Canada were marked in blue, and that was either the United States

1308
01:13:49,940 --> 01:13:55,540
of Canada, which is pretty unsatisfactory, or America, as if there was this big, it's

1309
01:13:55,540 --> 01:13:59,180
this big difference between red states and blue states.

1310
01:13:59,180 --> 01:14:03,060
And I decided that that that that that wasn't accurate enough.

1311
01:14:03,060 --> 01:14:05,060
The red states are greater dumbfuckestan.

1312
01:14:05,060 --> 01:14:09,300
And the blue states are blistered dumbfuckestan.

1313
01:14:09,300 --> 01:14:11,300
But it's all dumbfuckestan.

1314
01:14:11,300 --> 01:14:16,300
And anybody who doesn't think so just has to go back to this last election.

1315
01:14:16,300 --> 01:14:17,300
Okay.

1316
01:14:17,300 --> 01:14:20,300
Thank you.

1317
01:14:20,300 --> 01:14:25,300
So I think we should have a few words on the, um, how do I pronounce this, uh,

1318
01:14:25,300 --> 01:14:26,300
I knew Padishi.

1319
01:14:26,300 --> 01:14:27,300
I knew Padishi.

1320
01:14:27,300 --> 01:14:28,300
I know Padishi.

1321
01:14:28,300 --> 01:14:28,300

1322
01:14:28,300 --> 01:14:29,300
I know Padishi.

1323
01:14:29,300 --> 01:14:31,300
I know Padishi.

1324
01:14:31,300 --> 01:14:32,300
I know Padishi.

1325
01:14:32,300 --> 01:14:32,300

1326
01:14:32,300 --> 01:14:33,300
I know Padishi.

1327
01:14:33,300 --> 01:14:35,300
I know Padishi.

1328
01:14:35,300 --> 01:14:36,300
I know Padishi.

1329
01:14:36,300 --> 01:14:37,300
I know Padishi.

1330
01:14:37,300 --> 01:14:38,300
I know Padishi.

1331
01:14:38,300 --> 01:14:43,300
I forget what it is, where to set the Hindu caste system that goes, um,

1332
01:14:43,300 --> 01:14:44,300
Brahmin.

1333
01:14:44,300 --> 01:14:47,300
The good Brahmin's, uh, go,

1334
01:14:47,300 --> 01:14:48,300
Korean.

1335
01:14:48,300 --> 01:14:49,300
No, yeah, yeah,

1336
01:14:49,300 --> 01:14:50,300
Chaturya.

1337
01:14:50,300 --> 01:14:56,300
Chaturya, the warriors, the merchants, the servants, the untouchables.

1338
01:14:56,300 --> 01:14:59,300
And below that, there are the untouchables.

1339
01:14:59,300 --> 01:15:01,300
And that's the Anupadashi.

1340
01:15:01,300 --> 01:15:03,300
And this is who we deal with.

1341
01:15:03,300 --> 01:15:04,300
The untouchables.

1342
01:15:04,300 --> 01:15:05,300
These are the untouchables.

1343
01:15:05,300 --> 01:15:06,300
The Anupadashi.

1344
01:15:06,300 --> 01:15:07,300
Very nice.

1345
01:15:07,300 --> 01:15:08,300
That's what we deal with.

1346
01:15:08,300 --> 01:15:09,300
Very nice.

1347
01:15:09,300 --> 01:15:10,300
That is what we deal with.

1348
01:15:10,300 --> 01:15:12,300
And sometimes dealing with them,

1349
01:15:12,300 --> 01:15:14,300
can be painful.

1350
01:15:14,300 --> 01:15:15,300
You're right.

1351
01:15:15,300 --> 01:15:18,300
My buttons get pushed easier than yours.

1352
01:15:18,300 --> 01:15:21,300
I had, uh, I had a documentary,

1353
01:15:21,300 --> 01:15:25,300
a assassination documentary made about me, um, by BBC.

1354
01:15:25,300 --> 01:15:26,300
Yeah, that's a rise.

1355
01:15:26,300 --> 01:15:27,300
A rise and a rise.

1356
01:15:27,300 --> 01:15:28,300
Right.

1357
01:15:28,300 --> 01:15:31,300
It's a funny thing, actually, a friend of mine in TV rang me up.

1358
01:15:31,300 --> 01:15:33,300
He found me at home.

1359
01:15:33,300 --> 01:15:38,300
And he said, Graham, um, BBC horizon are going to ask you for an interview.

1360
01:15:38,300 --> 01:15:41,300
Say no.

1361
01:15:41,300 --> 01:15:46,300
And six weeks later, they found me up, and I said, yes.

1362
01:15:46,300 --> 01:15:50,300
But I didn't take account of what can happen on the cutting room floor.

1363
01:15:50,300 --> 01:15:53,300
And that was, uh, that was just a huge stitch up.

1364
01:15:53,300 --> 01:15:55,300
And it was deeply, deeply unpleasant.

1365
01:15:55,300 --> 01:15:57,300
And it hurt me badly, actually.

1366
01:15:57,300 --> 01:15:59,300
I kind of slumped for a while after that.

1367
01:15:59,300 --> 01:16:01,300
I've never really seen you slump.

1368
01:16:01,300 --> 01:16:04,300
But I know you've taken a lot of pretty heavy blows as well.

1369
01:16:04,300 --> 01:16:05,300
Yeah.

1370
01:16:05,300 --> 01:16:10,300
Well, I'd say, um, this is this, if you have a, a sadderous jeans,

1371
01:16:10,300 --> 01:16:14,300
this stuff is, as I said, it's like the cannibal, you know,

1372
01:16:14,300 --> 01:16:17,300
the boatload of cannibals approaching your island.

1373
01:16:17,300 --> 01:16:20,300
Sorry, the other way, but put a missionaries approaching your,

1374
01:16:20,300 --> 01:16:21,300
your island.

1375
01:16:21,300 --> 01:16:24,300
I, I see it all as an opportunity.

1376
01:16:24,300 --> 01:16:28,300
And now, I, I used to not see it as an opportunity,

1377
01:16:28,300 --> 01:16:30,300
because it was very hard to get the word out.

1378
01:16:30,300 --> 01:16:34,300
But they can get the, okay, a bigger audience, maybe, but I can get to a smarter audience,

1379
01:16:34,300 --> 01:16:35,300
and a big one.

1380
01:16:35,300 --> 01:16:36,300
And so can you.

1381
01:16:36,300 --> 01:16:40,300
Yeah. So there's, there's no, and besides, if you let them push the buttons,

1382
01:16:40,300 --> 01:16:43,300
if you let them push your buttons, you lose.

1383
01:16:43,300 --> 01:16:44,300
You lose.

1384
01:16:44,300 --> 01:16:45,300
Absolutely.

1385
01:16:45,300 --> 01:16:46,300
Simple as that.

1386
01:16:46,300 --> 01:16:47,300
I'm trying to learn that.

1387
01:16:47,300 --> 01:16:48,300
That's hard to learn.

1388
01:16:48,300 --> 01:16:48,300

1389
01:16:48,300 --> 01:16:52,300
It's one of the big things that has changed the, the arrival of the internet.

1390
01:16:52,300 --> 01:16:55,300
And this, this huge availability of information.

1391
01:16:55,300 --> 01:16:58,300
I mean, we used to live in a time you and I both live through that time.

1392
01:16:58,300 --> 01:17:03,300
When information was really channeled through limited number of media,

1393
01:17:03,300 --> 01:17:05,300
the big newspapers, the big D.V. stations.

1394
01:17:05,300 --> 01:17:07,300
That's where people got their news from.

1395
01:17:07,300 --> 01:17:09,300
And now it's, now it's radically changed.

1396
01:17:09,300 --> 01:17:10,300
Oh, yes.

1397
01:17:10,300 --> 01:17:12,300
There's been a kind of liberation of information.

1398
01:17:12,300 --> 01:17:16,300
The downside of that, unfortunately, of the unicorns,

1399
01:17:16,300 --> 01:17:23,300
the, you know, the willy end of the, yeah, the wishy washy willy end of the other side of the new age movement to her.

1400
01:17:23,300 --> 01:17:24,300
Yeah.

1401
01:17:24,300 --> 01:17:27,300
The crystal snappers and the tree huggers, and they all mean well.

1402
01:17:27,300 --> 01:17:31,300
But they, they make it that much more difficult.

1403
01:17:31,300 --> 01:17:32,300
Yeah.

1404
01:17:32,300 --> 01:17:35,300
Through established anything that is that, yes.

1405
01:17:35,300 --> 01:17:38,300
The follows the rules as it were.

1406
01:17:38,300 --> 01:17:43,300
It's not necessarily all the time just to follow the rules, but you got to make clear.

1407
01:17:43,300 --> 01:17:45,300
You got to know the rules, know which ones to break.

1408
01:17:45,300 --> 01:17:46,300
Yeah.

1409
01:17:46,300 --> 01:17:47,300
Yeah.

1410
01:17:47,300 --> 01:17:48,300
You're doing this.

1411
01:17:48,300 --> 01:17:50,300
In a sense, we're in an almost in an overload of information.

1412
01:17:50,300 --> 01:17:54,300
I'm finding now with it because I post quite regularly on Facebook.

1413
01:17:54,300 --> 01:18:07,300
And I find a story I like, but these days, I'm going to check out the background to that story extremely thoroughly before I share it because there's such a lot of, I mean, bogus information that's put out there.

1414
01:18:07,300 --> 01:18:09,300
I think the internet is a great good.

1415
01:18:09,300 --> 01:18:11,300
I think it's a, I think it's a wonderful thing.

1416
01:18:11,300 --> 01:18:21,300
It's allowed communities of ideas to form and it, and it's made it impossible for the controlling powers to really suppress information.

1417
01:18:21,300 --> 01:18:23,300
That happened with my TED talk when they took it offline.

1418
01:18:23,300 --> 01:18:26,300
I've got, fortunately, advanced notice three hours.

1419
01:18:26,300 --> 01:18:31,300
I put out the word and hundreds of people downloaded it just a time and then it went out.

1420
01:18:31,300 --> 01:18:34,300
I blew up in Ted's face in a massive way.

1421
01:18:34,300 --> 01:18:35,300
Same thing happened with Rupert.

1422
01:18:35,300 --> 01:18:36,300
Actually with Sheldon.

1423
01:18:36,300 --> 01:18:37,300
With Sheldon.

1424
01:18:37,300 --> 01:18:38,300
He got the same thing.

1425
01:18:38,300 --> 01:18:40,300
We were the same event.

1426
01:18:40,300 --> 01:18:43,300
But he got the same kind of absolute reaction to it.

1427
01:18:43,300 --> 01:18:44,300
Yeah.

1428
01:18:44,300 --> 01:18:45,300
He's too polite though.

1429
01:18:45,300 --> 01:18:47,300
To us.

1430
01:18:48,300 --> 01:18:49,300
To whom?

1431
01:18:49,300 --> 01:18:50,300
To whom?

1432
01:18:50,300 --> 01:18:51,300
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1433
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1434
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1435
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1436
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1437
01:18:58,300 --> 01:18:59,300
To whom?

1438
01:18:59,300 --> 01:19:00,300
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1439
01:19:00,300 --> 01:19:01,300
To whom?

1440
01:19:01,300 --> 01:19:02,300
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1441
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1442
01:19:03,300 --> 01:19:04,300
To whom?

1443
01:19:04,300 --> 01:19:05,300
To whom?

1444
01:19:05,300 --> 01:19:06,300
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1445
01:19:06,300 --> 01:19:07,300
To whom?

1446
01:19:07,300 --> 01:19:08,300
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1447
01:19:08,300 --> 01:19:09,300
To whom?

1448
01:19:09,300 --> 01:19:10,300
To whom?

1449
01:19:10,300 --> 01:19:11,300
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1450
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1451
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1452
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To whom?

1453
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To whom?

1454
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1455
01:19:16,300 --> 01:19:16,300

1456
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1457
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1458
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1459
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1460
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1461
01:19:16,300 --> 01:19:16,300

1462
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1463
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1464
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1465
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1466
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1467
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1468
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1469
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1470
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1471
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1472
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1473
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1474
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To whom?

1475
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1476
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To whom?

1477
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1478
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1479
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1480
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1481
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1482
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1483
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1484
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1485
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To whom?

1486
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1487
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1488
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1489
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1490
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1491
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1492
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1493
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1494
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1495
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1496
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1497
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1498
01:19:40,300 --> 01:19:41,300
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1499
01:19:41,300 --> 01:19:42,300
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1500
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1501
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1502
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1503
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1504
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1505
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1506
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1507
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1508
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1509
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1510
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1511
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1512
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1513
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1514
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1515
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1516
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1517
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1518
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To whom?

1519
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To whom?

1520
01:19:47,300 --> 01:19:48,300
To whom?

1521
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To whom?

1522
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To whom?

1523
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1524
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To whom?

1525
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1526
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1527
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1528
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1529
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1530
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1531
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1532
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1533
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1534
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1535
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1536
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1537
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1538
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1539
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1540
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1541
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1542
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1543
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1544
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1545
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1546
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1547
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1548
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1549
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1550
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1551
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1552
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1553
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1554
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1555
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1556
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1557
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1558
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1559
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1560
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1561
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1562
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To whom?

1563
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To whom?

1564
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1565
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1566
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1567
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1568
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1569
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To whom?

1570
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1571
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To whom?

1572
01:20:39,300 --> 01:20:40,300
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1573
01:20:40,300 --> 01:20:41,300
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1574
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To whom?

1575
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To whom?

1576
01:20:44,300 --> 01:20:44,300

1577
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To whom?

1578
01:20:45,300 --> 01:20:46,300
To whom?

1579
01:20:46,300 --> 01:20:47,300
To whom?

1580
01:20:47,300 --> 01:20:48,300
To whom?

1581
01:20:48,300 --> 01:20:49,300
To whom?

1582
01:20:49,300 --> 01:20:50,300
To whom?

1583
01:20:50,300 --> 01:20:51,300
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1584
01:20:51,300 --> 01:20:52,300
To whom?

1585
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To whom?

1586
01:20:53,300 --> 01:20:54,300
To whom?

1587
01:20:54,300 --> 01:20:55,300
To whom?

1588
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To whom?

1589
01:20:56,300 --> 01:20:57,300
To whom?

1590
01:20:57,300 --> 01:20:58,300
To whom?

1591
01:20:58,300 --> 01:20:59,300
To whom?

1592
01:20:59,300 --> 01:21:00,300
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1593
01:21:00,300 --> 01:21:01,300
To whom?

1594
01:21:01,300 --> 01:21:02,300
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1595
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To whom?

1596
01:21:03,300 --> 01:21:04,300
To whom?

1597
01:21:04,300 --> 01:21:05,300
To whom?

1598
01:21:05,300 --> 01:21:06,300
To whom?

1599
01:21:06,300 --> 01:21:07,300
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1600
01:21:07,300 --> 01:21:08,300
To whom?

1601
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1602
01:21:09,300 --> 01:21:10,300
To whom?

1603
01:21:10,300 --> 01:21:11,300
To whom?

1604
01:21:11,300 --> 01:21:12,300
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1605
01:21:12,300 --> 01:21:13,300
To whom?

1606
01:21:13,300 --> 01:21:14,300
To whom?

1607
01:21:14,300 --> 01:21:15,300
To whom?

1608
01:21:15,300 --> 01:21:16,300
To whom?

1609
01:21:16,300 --> 01:21:17,300
To whom?

1610
01:21:17,300 --> 01:21:18,300
To whom?

1611
01:21:18,300 --> 01:21:19,300
To whom?

1612
01:21:19,300 --> 01:21:20,300
To whom?

1613
01:21:20,300 --> 01:21:21,300
To whom?

1614
01:21:21,300 --> 01:21:22,300
To whom?

1615
01:21:22,300 --> 01:21:23,300
To whom?

1616
01:21:23,300 --> 01:21:24,300
To whom?

1617
01:21:24,300 --> 01:21:25,300
To whom?

1618
01:21:25,300 --> 01:21:26,300
To whom?

1619
01:21:26,300 --> 01:21:27,300
To whom?

1620
01:21:27,300 --> 01:21:28,300
To whom?

1621
01:21:28,300 --> 01:21:29,300
To whom?

1622
01:21:29,300 --> 01:21:30,300
To whom?

1623
01:21:30,300 --> 01:21:31,300
To whom?

1624
01:21:31,300 --> 01:21:32,300
To whom?

1625
01:21:32,300 --> 01:21:33,300
To whom?

1626
01:21:33,300 --> 01:21:34,300
To whom?

1627
01:21:34,300 --> 01:21:35,300
To whom?

1628
01:21:35,300 --> 01:21:36,300
To whom?

1629
01:21:36,300 --> 01:21:37,300
To whom?

1630
01:21:37,300 --> 01:21:38,300
To whom?

1631
01:21:38,300 --> 01:21:39,300
To whom?

1632
01:21:39,300 --> 01:21:40,300
To whom?

1633
01:21:40,300 --> 01:21:41,300
To whom?

1634
01:21:41,300 --> 01:21:42,300
To whom?

1635
01:21:42,300 --> 01:21:43,300
To whom?

1636
01:21:43,300 --> 01:21:44,300
To whom?

1637
01:21:44,300 --> 01:21:45,300
To whom?

1638
01:21:45,300 --> 01:21:46,300
To whom?

1639
01:21:46,300 --> 01:21:47,300
To whom?

1640
01:21:47,300 --> 01:21:48,300
To whom?

1641
01:21:48,300 --> 01:21:49,300
To whom?

1642
01:21:49,300 --> 01:21:50,300
To whom?

1643
01:21:50,300 --> 01:21:51,300
To whom?

1644
01:21:51,300 --> 01:21:52,300
To whom?

1645
01:21:52,300 --> 01:21:53,300
To whom?

1646
01:21:53,300 --> 01:21:54,300
To whom?

1647
01:21:54,300 --> 01:21:55,300
To whom?

1648
01:21:55,300 --> 01:21:56,300
To whom?

1649
01:21:56,300 --> 01:21:57,300
To whom?

1650
01:21:57,300 --> 01:21:58,300
To whom?

1651
01:21:58,300 --> 01:21:59,300
To whom?

1652
01:21:59,300 --> 01:22:00,300
To whom?

1653
01:22:00,300 --> 01:22:01,300
To whom?

1654
01:22:01,300 --> 01:22:02,300
To whom?

1655
01:22:02,300 --> 01:22:03,300
To whom?

1656
01:22:03,300 --> 01:22:04,300
To whom?

1657
01:22:04,300 --> 01:22:05,300
To whom?

1658
01:22:05,300 --> 01:22:06,300
To whom?

1659
01:22:06,300 --> 01:22:07,300
To whom?

1660
01:22:07,300 --> 01:22:08,300
To whom?

1661
01:22:08,300 --> 01:22:09,300
To whom?

1662
01:22:09,300 --> 01:22:10,300
To whom?

1663
01:22:10,300 --> 01:22:11,300
To whom?

1664
01:22:11,300 --> 01:22:12,300
To whom?

1665
01:22:12,300 --> 01:22:13,300
To whom?

1666
01:22:13,300 --> 01:22:14,300
To whom?

1667
01:22:14,300 --> 01:22:15,300
To whom?

1668
01:22:15,300 --> 01:22:16,300
To whom?

1669
01:22:16,300 --> 01:22:17,300
To whom?

1670
01:22:17,300 --> 01:22:18,300
To whom?

1671
01:22:18,300 --> 01:22:19,300
To whom?

1672
01:22:19,300 --> 01:22:20,300
To whom?

1673
01:22:20,300 --> 01:22:21,300
To whom?

1674
01:22:21,300 --> 01:22:22,300
To whom?

1675
01:22:22,300 --> 01:22:23,300
To whom?

1676
01:22:23,300 --> 01:22:24,300
To whom?

1677
01:22:24,300 --> 01:22:25,300
To whom?

1678
01:22:25,300 --> 01:22:26,300
To whom?

1679
01:22:26,300 --> 01:22:27,300
To whom?

1680
01:22:27,300 --> 01:22:28,300
To whom?

1681
01:22:28,300 --> 01:22:29,300
To whom?

1682
01:22:29,300 --> 01:22:30,300
To whom?

1683
01:22:30,300 --> 01:22:31,300
To whom?

1684
01:22:31,300 --> 01:22:32,300
To whom?

1685
01:22:32,300 --> 01:22:33,300
To whom?

1686
01:22:33,300 --> 01:22:34,300
To whom?

1687
01:22:34,300 --> 01:22:35,300
To whom?

1688
01:22:35,300 --> 01:22:36,300
To whom?

1689
01:22:36,300 --> 01:22:37,300
To whom?

1690
01:22:37,300 --> 01:22:38,300
To whom?

1691
01:22:38,300 --> 01:22:39,300
To whom?

1692
01:22:39,300 --> 01:22:40,300
To whom?

1693
01:22:40,300 --> 01:22:41,300
To whom?

1694
01:22:41,300 --> 01:22:42,300
To whom?

1695
01:22:42,300 --> 01:22:43,300
To whom?

1696
01:22:43,300 --> 01:22:44,300
To whom?

1697
01:22:44,300 --> 01:22:45,300
To whom?

1698
01:22:45,300 --> 01:22:46,300
To whom?

1699
01:22:46,300 --> 01:22:47,300
To whom?

1700
01:22:47,300 --> 01:22:48,300
To whom?

1701
01:22:48,300 --> 01:22:49,300
To whom?

1702
01:22:49,300 --> 01:22:50,300
To whom?

1703
01:22:50,300 --> 01:22:51,300
To whom?

1704
01:22:51,300 --> 01:22:52,300
To whom?

1705
01:22:52,300 --> 01:22:53,300
To whom?

1706
01:22:53,300 --> 01:22:54,300
To whom?

1707
01:22:54,300 --> 01:22:55,300
To whom?

1708
01:22:55,300 --> 01:22:56,300
To whom?

1709
01:22:56,300 --> 01:22:57,300
To whom?

1710
01:22:57,300 --> 01:22:58,300
To whom?

1711
01:22:58,300 --> 01:22:59,300
To whom?

1712
01:22:59,300 --> 01:23:00,300
To whom?

1713
01:23:00,300 --> 01:23:01,300
To whom?

1714
01:23:01,300 --> 01:23:02,300
To whom?

1715
01:23:02,300 --> 01:23:03,300
To whom?

1716
01:23:03,300 --> 01:23:04,300
To whom?

1717
01:23:04,300 --> 01:23:05,300
To whom?

1718
01:23:05,300 --> 01:23:06,300
To whom?

1719
01:23:06,300 --> 01:23:07,300
To whom?

1720
01:23:07,300 --> 01:23:08,300
To whom?

1721
01:23:08,300 --> 01:23:08,300

1722
01:23:08,300 --> 01:23:08,300

1723
01:23:08,300 --> 01:23:08,300

1724
01:23:08,300 --> 01:23:08,300

1725
01:23:08,300 --> 01:23:08,300

1726
01:23:08,300 --> 01:23:08,300

1727
01:23:08,300 --> 01:23:08,300

1728
01:23:08,300 --> 01:23:08,300

1729
01:23:08,300 --> 01:23:08,300

1730
01:23:08,300 --> 01:23:08,300

1731
01:23:08,300 --> 01:23:08,300

1732
01:23:08,300 --> 01:23:08,300

1733
01:23:08,300 --> 01:23:08,300

1734
01:23:08,300 --> 01:23:08,300

1735
01:23:08,300 --> 01:23:08,300

1736
01:23:08,300 --> 01:23:09,300
To whom?

1737
01:23:09,300 --> 01:23:10,300
To whom?

1738
01:23:10,300 --> 01:23:11,300
To whom?

1739
01:23:11,300 --> 01:23:12,300
To whom?

1740
01:23:12,300 --> 01:23:13,300
To whom?

1741
01:23:13,300 --> 01:23:14,300
To whom?

1742
01:23:14,300 --> 01:23:15,300
To whom?

1743
01:23:15,300 --> 01:23:16,300
To whom?

1744
01:23:16,300 --> 01:23:17,300
To whom?

1745
01:23:17,300 --> 01:23:18,300
To whom?

1746
01:23:18,300 --> 01:23:19,300
To whom?

1747
01:23:19,300 --> 01:23:20,300
To whom?

1748
01:23:20,300 --> 01:23:21,300
To whom?

1749
01:23:21,300 --> 01:23:22,300
To whom?

1750
01:23:22,300 --> 01:23:23,300
To whom?

1751
01:23:23,300 --> 01:23:24,300
To whom?

1752
01:23:24,300 --> 01:23:25,300
To whom?

1753
01:23:25,300 --> 01:23:26,300
To whom?

1754
01:23:26,300 --> 01:23:27,300
To whom?

1755
01:23:27,300 --> 01:23:28,300
To whom?

1756
01:23:28,300 --> 01:23:29,300
To whom?

1757
01:23:29,300 --> 01:23:30,300
To whom?

1758
01:23:30,300 --> 01:23:31,300
To whom?

1759
01:23:31,300 --> 01:23:32,300
To whom?

1760
01:23:32,300 --> 01:23:33,300
To whom?

1761
01:23:33,300 --> 01:23:34,300
To whom?

1762
01:23:34,300 --> 01:23:35,300
To whom?

1763
01:23:35,300 --> 01:23:36,300
To whom?

1764
01:23:36,300 --> 01:23:37,300
To whom?

1765
01:23:37,300 --> 01:23:37,300

1766
01:23:37,300 --> 01:23:37,300

1767
01:23:37,300 --> 01:23:37,300

1768
01:23:37,300 --> 01:23:37,300

1769
01:23:37,300 --> 01:23:37,300

1770
01:23:37,300 --> 01:23:37,300

1771
01:23:37,300 --> 01:23:37,300

1772
01:23:37,300 --> 01:23:37,300

1773
01:23:37,300 --> 01:23:37,300

1774
01:23:37,300 --> 01:23:37,300

1775
01:23:37,300 --> 01:23:37,300

1776
01:23:37,300 --> 01:23:37,300

1777
01:23:37,300 --> 01:23:37,300

1778
01:23:37,300 --> 01:23:37,300

1779
01:23:37,300 --> 01:23:37,300

1780
01:23:37,300 --> 01:23:38,300
To whom?

1781
01:23:38,300 --> 01:23:39,300
To whom?

1782
01:23:39,300 --> 01:23:40,300
To whom?

1783
01:23:40,300 --> 01:23:41,300
To whom?

1784
01:23:41,300 --> 01:23:42,300
To whom?

1785
01:23:42,300 --> 01:23:43,300
To whom?

1786
01:23:43,300 --> 01:23:44,300
To whom?

1787
01:23:44,300 --> 01:23:45,300
To whom?

1788
01:23:45,300 --> 01:23:46,300
To whom?

1789
01:23:46,300 --> 01:23:47,300
To whom?

1790
01:23:47,300 --> 01:23:48,300
To whom?

1791
01:23:48,300 --> 01:23:49,300
To whom?

1792
01:23:49,300 --> 01:23:50,300
To whom?

1793
01:23:50,300 --> 01:23:51,300
To whom?

1794
01:23:51,300 --> 01:23:52,300
To whom?

1795
01:23:52,300 --> 01:23:53,300
To whom?

1796
01:23:53,300 --> 01:23:54,300
To whom?

1797
01:23:54,300 --> 01:23:55,300
To whom?

1798
01:23:55,300 --> 01:23:56,300
To whom?

1799
01:23:56,300 --> 01:23:57,300
To whom?

1800
01:23:57,300 --> 01:23:58,300
To whom?

1801
01:23:58,300 --> 01:23:59,300
To whom?

1802
01:23:59,300 --> 01:24:00,300
To whom?

1803
01:24:00,300 --> 01:24:01,300
To whom?

1804
01:24:01,300 --> 01:24:02,300
To whom?

1805
01:24:02,300 --> 01:24:03,300
To whom?

1806
01:24:03,300 --> 01:24:04,300
To whom?

1807
01:24:04,300 --> 01:24:05,300
To whom?

1808
01:24:05,300 --> 01:24:06,300
To whom?

1809
01:24:06,300 --> 01:24:06,300

1810
01:24:06,300 --> 01:24:06,300

1811
01:24:06,300 --> 01:24:06,300

1812
01:24:06,300 --> 01:24:06,300

1813
01:24:06,300 --> 01:24:06,300

1814
01:24:06,300 --> 01:24:06,300

1815
01:24:06,300 --> 01:24:06,300

1816
01:24:06,300 --> 01:24:06,300

1817
01:24:06,300 --> 01:24:06,300

1818
01:24:06,300 --> 01:24:06,300

1819
01:24:06,300 --> 01:24:06,300

1820
01:24:06,300 --> 01:24:06,300

1821
01:24:06,300 --> 01:24:06,300

1822
01:24:06,300 --> 01:24:06,300

1823
01:24:06,300 --> 01:24:06,300

1824
01:24:06,300 --> 01:24:07,300
To whom?

1825
01:24:07,300 --> 01:24:08,300
To whom?

1826
01:24:08,300 --> 01:24:09,300
To whom?

1827
01:24:09,300 --> 01:24:10,300
To whom?

1828
01:24:10,300 --> 01:24:11,300
To whom?

1829
01:24:11,300 --> 01:24:12,300
To whom?

1830
01:24:12,300 --> 01:24:13,300
To whom?

1831
01:24:13,300 --> 01:24:14,300
To whom?

1832
01:24:14,300 --> 01:24:15,300
To whom?

1833
01:24:15,300 --> 01:24:16,300
To whom?

1834
01:24:16,300 --> 01:24:17,300
To whom?

1835
01:24:17,300 --> 01:24:18,300
To whom?

1836
01:24:18,300 --> 01:24:19,300
To whom?

1837
01:24:19,300 --> 01:24:20,300
To whom?

1838
01:24:20,300 --> 01:24:21,300
To whom?

1839
01:24:21,300 --> 01:24:22,300
To whom?

1840
01:24:22,300 --> 01:24:23,300
To whom?

1841
01:24:23,300 --> 01:24:24,300
To whom?

1842
01:24:24,300 --> 01:24:25,300
To whom?

1843
01:24:25,300 --> 01:24:26,300
To whom?

1844
01:24:26,300 --> 01:24:27,300
To whom?

1845
01:24:27,300 --> 01:24:28,300
To whom?

1846
01:24:28,300 --> 01:24:29,300
To whom?

1847
01:24:29,300 --> 01:24:30,300
To whom?

1848
01:24:30,300 --> 01:24:31,300
To whom?

1849
01:24:31,300 --> 01:24:32,300
To whom?

1850
01:24:32,300 --> 01:24:33,300
To whom?

1851
01:24:33,300 --> 01:24:34,300
To whom?

1852
01:24:34,300 --> 01:24:35,300
To whom?

1853
01:24:35,300 --> 01:24:36,300
To whom?

1854
01:24:36,300 --> 01:24:37,300
To whom?

1855
01:24:37,300 --> 01:24:38,300
To whom?

1856
01:24:38,300 --> 01:24:39,300
To whom?

1857
01:24:39,300 --> 01:24:40,300
To whom?

1858
01:24:40,300 --> 01:24:41,300
To whom?

1859
01:24:41,300 --> 01:24:42,300
To whom?

1860
01:24:42,300 --> 01:24:43,300
To whom?

1861
01:24:43,300 --> 01:24:44,300
To whom?

1862
01:24:44,300 --> 01:24:45,300
To whom?

1863
01:24:45,300 --> 01:24:46,300
To whom?

1864
01:24:46,300 --> 01:24:47,300
To whom?

1865
01:24:47,300 --> 01:24:48,300
To whom?

1866
01:24:48,300 --> 01:24:49,300
To whom?

1867
01:24:49,300 --> 01:24:50,300
To whom?

1868
01:24:50,300 --> 01:24:51,300
To whom?

1869
01:24:51,300 --> 01:24:52,300
To whom?

1870
01:24:52,300 --> 01:24:53,300
To whom?

1871
01:24:53,300 --> 01:24:54,300
To whom?

1872
01:24:54,300 --> 01:24:55,300
To whom?

1873
01:24:55,300 --> 01:24:56,300
To whom?

1874
01:24:56,300 --> 01:24:57,300
To whom?

1875
01:24:57,300 --> 01:24:58,300
To whom?

1876
01:24:58,300 --> 01:24:59,300
To whom?

1877
01:24:59,300 --> 01:25:00,300
To whom?

1878
01:25:00,300 --> 01:25:01,300
To whom?

1879
01:25:01,300 --> 01:25:02,300
To whom?

1880
01:25:02,300 --> 01:25:03,300
To whom?

1881
01:25:03,300 --> 01:25:04,300
To whom?

1882
01:25:04,300 --> 01:25:05,300
To whom?

1883
01:25:05,300 --> 01:25:06,300
To whom?

1884
01:25:06,300 --> 01:25:07,300
To whom?

1885
01:25:07,300 --> 01:25:08,300
To whom?

1886
01:25:08,300 --> 01:25:09,300
To whom?

1887
01:25:09,300 --> 01:25:10,300
To whom?

1888
01:25:10,300 --> 01:25:11,300
To whom?

1889
01:25:11,300 --> 01:25:12,300
To whom?

1890
01:25:12,300 --> 01:25:13,300
To whom?

1891
01:25:13,300 --> 01:25:14,300
To whom?

1892
01:25:14,300 --> 01:25:14,300

1893
01:25:14,300 --> 01:25:15,300
To whom?

1894
01:25:15,300 --> 01:25:16,300
To whom?

1895
01:25:16,300 --> 01:25:17,300
To whom?

1896
01:25:17,300 --> 01:25:18,300
To whom?

1897
01:25:18,300 --> 01:25:19,300
To whom?

1898
01:25:19,300 --> 01:25:20,300
To whom?

1899
01:25:20,300 --> 01:25:21,300
To whom?

1900
01:25:21,300 --> 01:25:22,300
To whom?

1901
01:25:22,300 --> 01:25:23,300
To whom?

1902
01:25:23,300 --> 01:25:24,300
To whom?

1903
01:25:24,300 --> 01:25:25,300
To whom?

1904
01:25:25,300 --> 01:25:26,300
To whom?

1905
01:25:26,300 --> 01:25:27,300
To whom?

1906
01:25:27,300 --> 01:25:28,300
To whom?

1907
01:25:28,300 --> 01:25:29,300
To whom?

1908
01:25:29,300 --> 01:25:30,300
To whom?

1909
01:25:30,300 --> 01:25:31,300
To whom?

1910
01:25:31,300 --> 01:25:32,300
To whom?

1911
01:25:32,300 --> 01:25:33,300
To whom?

1912
01:25:33,300 --> 01:25:33,300

1913
01:25:33,300 --> 01:25:33,300

1914
01:25:33,300 --> 01:25:33,300

1915
01:25:33,300 --> 01:25:33,300

1916
01:25:33,300 --> 01:25:33,300

1917
01:25:33,300 --> 01:25:33,300

1918
01:25:33,300 --> 01:25:33,300

1919
01:25:33,300 --> 01:25:33,300

1920
01:25:33,300 --> 01:25:33,300

1921
01:25:33,300 --> 01:25:33,300

1922
01:25:33,300 --> 01:25:33,300

1923
01:25:33,300 --> 01:25:33,300

1924
01:25:33,300 --> 01:25:33,300

1925
01:25:33,300 --> 01:25:33,300

1926
01:25:34,300 --> 01:25:34,300

1927
01:25:34,300 --> 01:25:35,300
To whom?

1928
01:25:35,300 --> 01:25:36,300
To whom?

1929
01:25:36,300 --> 01:25:37,300
To whom?

1930
01:25:37,300 --> 01:25:38,300
To whom?

1931
01:25:38,300 --> 01:25:39,300
To whom?

1932
01:25:39,300 --> 01:25:40,300
To whom?

1933
01:25:40,300 --> 01:25:41,300
To whom?

1934
01:25:41,300 --> 01:25:42,300
To whom?

1935
01:25:42,300 --> 01:25:43,300
To whom?

1936
01:25:43,300 --> 01:25:44,300
To whom?

1937
01:25:44,300 --> 01:25:45,300
To whom?

1938
01:25:45,300 --> 01:25:46,300
To whom?

1939
01:25:46,300 --> 01:25:47,300
To whom?

1940
01:25:47,300 --> 01:25:48,300
To whom?

1941
01:25:48,300 --> 01:25:49,300
To whom?

1942
01:25:49,300 --> 01:25:50,300
To whom?

1943
01:25:50,300 --> 01:25:51,300
To whom?

1944
01:25:51,300 --> 01:25:52,300
To whom?

1945
01:25:52,300 --> 01:25:53,300
To whom?

1946
01:25:53,300 --> 01:25:54,300
To whom?

1947
01:25:54,300 --> 01:25:55,300
To whom?

1948
01:25:55,300 --> 01:25:56,300
To whom?

1949
01:25:56,300 --> 01:25:57,300
To whom?

1950
01:25:57,300 --> 01:25:58,300
To whom?

1951
01:25:58,300 --> 01:26:00,300
To whom?

1952
01:26:00,300 --> 01:26:01,300
To whom?

1953
01:26:01,300 --> 01:26:02,300
To whom?

1954
01:26:02,300 --> 01:26:03,300
To whom?

1955
01:26:03,300 --> 01:26:04,300
To whom?

1956
01:26:04,300 --> 01:26:05,300
To whom?

1957
01:26:05,300 --> 01:26:06,300
To whom?

1958
01:26:06,300 --> 01:26:07,300
To whom?

1959
01:26:07,300 --> 01:26:08,300
To whom?

1960
01:26:08,300 --> 01:26:09,300
To whom?

1961
01:26:09,300 --> 01:26:10,300
To whom?

1962
01:26:10,300 --> 01:26:11,300
To whom?

1963
01:26:11,300 --> 01:26:12,300
To whom?

1964
01:26:12,300 --> 01:26:13,300
To whom?

1965
01:26:13,300 --> 01:26:14,300
To whom?

1966
01:26:14,300 --> 01:26:15,300
To whom?

1967
01:26:15,300 --> 01:26:17,300
To whom?

1968
01:26:17,300 --> 01:26:18,300
To whom?

1969
01:26:18,300 --> 01:26:19,300
To whom?

1970
01:26:19,300 --> 01:26:20,300
To whom?

1971
01:26:20,300 --> 01:26:21,300
To whom?

1972
01:26:21,300 --> 01:26:22,300
To whom?

1973
01:26:22,300 --> 01:26:23,300
To whom?

1974
01:26:23,300 --> 01:26:24,300
To whom?

1975
01:26:24,300 --> 01:26:25,300
To whom?

1976
01:26:25,300 --> 01:26:26,300
To whom?

1977
01:26:26,300 --> 01:26:27,300
To whom?

1978
01:26:27,300 --> 01:26:28,300
To whom?

1979
01:26:28,300 --> 01:26:29,300
To whom?

1980
01:26:29,300 --> 01:26:30,300
To whom?

1981
01:26:30,300 --> 01:26:31,300
To whom?

1982
01:26:31,300 --> 01:26:31,300

1983
01:26:31,300 --> 01:26:31,300

1984
01:26:31,300 --> 01:26:31,300

1985
01:26:31,300 --> 01:26:31,300

1986
01:26:31,300 --> 01:26:31,300

1987
01:26:31,300 --> 01:26:31,300

1988
01:26:31,300 --> 01:26:31,300

1989
01:26:31,300 --> 01:26:31,300

1990
01:26:31,300 --> 01:26:31,300

1991
01:26:31,300 --> 01:26:31,300

1992
01:26:31,300 --> 01:26:31,300

1993
01:26:31,300 --> 01:26:31,300

1994
01:26:31,300 --> 01:26:31,300

1995
01:26:31,300 --> 01:26:31,300

1996
01:26:31,300 --> 01:26:31,300

1997
01:26:31,300 --> 01:26:31,300

1998
01:26:31,300 --> 01:26:32,300
To whom?

1999
01:26:32,300 --> 01:26:33,300
To whom?

2000
01:26:33,300 --> 01:26:34,300
To whom?

2001
01:26:34,300 --> 01:26:35,300
To whom?

2002
01:26:35,300 --> 01:26:36,300
To whom?

2003
01:26:36,300 --> 01:26:37,300
To whom?

2004
01:26:37,300 --> 01:26:38,300
To whom?

2005
01:26:38,300 --> 01:26:39,300
To whom?

2006
01:26:39,300 --> 01:26:40,300
To whom?

2007
01:26:40,300 --> 01:26:41,300
To whom?

2008
01:26:41,300 --> 01:26:42,300
To whom?

2009
01:26:42,300 --> 01:26:43,300
To whom?

2010
01:26:43,300 --> 01:26:44,300
To whom?

2011
01:26:44,300 --> 01:26:45,300
To whom?

2012
01:26:45,300 --> 01:26:46,300
To whom?

2013
01:26:46,300 --> 01:26:47,300
To whom?

2014
01:26:47,300 --> 01:26:48,300
To whom?

2015
01:26:48,300 --> 01:26:49,300
To whom?

2016
01:26:49,300 --> 01:26:50,300
To whom?

2017
01:26:50,300 --> 01:26:51,300
To whom?

2018
01:26:51,300 --> 01:26:52,300
To whom?

2019
01:26:52,300 --> 01:26:53,300
To whom?

2020
01:26:53,300 --> 01:26:54,300
To whom?

2021
01:26:54,300 --> 01:26:55,300
To whom?

2022
01:26:55,300 --> 01:26:56,300
To whom?

2023
01:26:56,300 --> 01:26:57,300
To whom?

2024
01:26:57,300 --> 01:26:58,300
To whom?

2025
01:26:58,300 --> 01:26:59,300
To whom?

2026
01:26:59,300 --> 01:27:00,300
To whom?

2027
01:27:01,300 --> 01:27:10,300
There will come a time when it will have been in vain that Egyptians have honored the Godhead with heart-felt piety and service.

2028
01:27:10,300 --> 01:27:15,300
And all our holy worship will be fruitless and ineffectual.

2029
01:27:15,300 --> 01:27:19,300
The gods will return from earth to heaven.

2030
01:27:19,300 --> 01:27:26,300
Egypt will be forsaken, and the land which was once the home of religion will be left desolate,

2031
01:27:27,300 --> 01:27:30,300
bereft of the presence of its deities.

2032
01:27:30,300 --> 01:27:37,300
Oh, Egypt, Egypt of thy religion, nothing will remain.

2033
01:27:37,300 --> 01:27:44,300
But an empty tale, which thy known children in time to come will not believe.

2034
01:27:44,300 --> 01:27:51,300
Nothing will be left but graven words, and only the stones will tell of thy piety.

2035
01:27:51,300 --> 01:28:00,300
And in that day men will be weary of life, and they will cease to think the universe worthy of reverend wonder and worship.

2036
01:28:00,300 --> 01:28:03,300
They will no longer love this world around us.

2037
01:28:03,300 --> 01:28:12,300
This incomparable work of God, this glorious structure which He has built, this some of good made up of many diverse forms.

2038
01:28:12,300 --> 01:28:20,300
This instrument whereby the will of God operates in that which He has made, ungrudgingly favoring man's welfare.

2039
01:28:21,300 --> 01:28:30,300
This combination and accumulation of all the manifold things that call forth the veneration, praise and love of the beholder.

2040
01:28:30,300 --> 01:28:37,300
Darkness will be preferred to light, and death will be thought more profitable than life.

2041
01:28:37,300 --> 01:28:39,300
No one will raise his eyes to heaven.

2042
01:28:39,300 --> 01:28:42,300
The pious will be deemed insane.

2043
01:28:42,300 --> 01:28:44,300
The impious wise.

2044
01:28:45,300 --> 01:28:51,300
The madman will be thought a brave man, and the wicked will be esteemed as good.

2045
01:28:51,300 --> 01:29:01,300
As for the soul and the belief that it is immortal by nature, or may hope to attain to immortality as I have taught you, all this they will mock,

2046
01:29:01,300 --> 01:29:04,300
and even persuade themselves that it is false.

2047
01:29:04,300 --> 01:29:10,300
No word of reverence or piety, no utterance worthy of heaven, will be heard or believed,

2048
01:29:10,300 --> 01:29:14,300
and so the gods will depart from mankind.

2049
01:29:14,300 --> 01:29:16,300
Agrevious thing.

2050
01:29:16,300 --> 01:29:25,300
At only evil angels will remain, who will mingle with men, and drive the poor wretches into all manner of reckless crime,

2051
01:29:25,300 --> 01:29:32,300
into wars and robberies and frauds and all things hostile to the nature of the soul.

2052
01:29:33,300 --> 01:29:37,300
Then the earth will tremble, and the sea bear no ships.

2053
01:29:37,300 --> 01:29:40,300
Heaven will not support the stars in their orbits.

2054
01:29:40,300 --> 01:29:44,300
All voices of the gods will be forced into silence.

2055
01:29:44,300 --> 01:29:46,300
The fruits of the earth will rot.

2056
01:29:46,300 --> 01:29:52,300
The soil will turn barren, and the very air will sicken with silence stagnation.

2057
01:29:52,300 --> 01:29:55,300
All things will be disordered and a rye.

2058
01:29:55,300 --> 01:29:57,300
All good will disappear.

2059
01:29:57,300 --> 01:30:01,300
But when all this has befallen as clepius,

2060
01:30:01,300 --> 01:30:06,300
then God the creator of all things will look on that which has come to pass,

2061
01:30:06,300 --> 01:30:11,300
and will stop the disorder by the counterforce of his will, which is the good.

2062
01:30:11,300 --> 01:30:15,300
He will call back to the right path, those who have gone astray.

2063
01:30:15,300 --> 01:30:19,300
He will cleanse the world of evil, washing it away with floods,

2064
01:30:19,300 --> 01:30:24,300
burning it out with the fiercest fire, and expelling it with war and pestilence.

2065
01:30:24,300 --> 01:30:28,300
And thus he will bring back his world to its former aspect,

2066
01:30:28,300 --> 01:30:34,300
so that the cosmos will once more be deemed worthy of worship and wondering reverence.

2067
01:30:34,300 --> 01:30:40,300
And God the maker and maintainer of the mighty fabric will be adored by the man of that day,

2068
01:30:40,300 --> 01:30:43,300
with continuous songs of praise and blessing.

2069
01:30:43,300 --> 01:30:47,300
Such is the new birth of the cosmos.

2070
01:30:47,300 --> 01:30:55,300
It is a making again of all things good, a holy and awe-inspiring restoration of all nature.

2071
01:30:55,300 --> 01:31:06,300
And it is wrought inside the process of time by the eternal will of the creator.

2072
01:31:06,300 --> 01:31:09,300
And that's the Levant.

2073
01:31:09,300 --> 01:31:20,300
Yeah, that's worthy of a concentrated study.

2074
01:31:20,300 --> 01:31:22,300
Somebody should look at that.

2075
01:31:22,300 --> 01:31:29,300
The ecological environmental side of it is unbelievable for 2,000 years ago.

2076
01:31:29,300 --> 01:31:34,300
The quacketemics like the thing that it's foretelling, the downfall of the Roman Empire.

2077
01:31:34,300 --> 01:31:48,300
Much more than that the reference to the stars may be an echo from the distant distant past that we're talking about of the younger dry has older dry has so on.

2078
01:31:48,300 --> 01:31:52,300
It's really, and it's a breathtaking piece of brox.

2079
01:31:52,300 --> 01:31:54,300
It's a stunning place.

2080
01:31:54,300 --> 01:31:59,300
Whoever penned that in the first place, I think it's translated from the Greek.

2081
01:31:59,300 --> 01:32:02,300
And that's the only one translation that's any good.

2082
01:32:02,300 --> 01:32:06,300
I don't know if you read any of the others, but they all sound like, you know,

2083
01:32:06,300 --> 01:32:08,300
trade this as an economics or something.

2084
01:32:08,300 --> 01:32:11,300
But anyway, that's basically it.

2085
01:32:11,300 --> 01:32:18,300
That that is cleapious prophecy is pretty much what we're going through.

2086
01:32:18,300 --> 01:32:23,300
We're in the middle of my only my sense of it is that God's going to need some help.

2087
01:32:23,300 --> 01:32:24,300
Yeah.

2088
01:32:24,300 --> 01:32:26,300
Is that going to do this on his own or on his own?

2089
01:32:26,300 --> 01:32:27,300
Or on the case maybe.

2090
01:32:27,300 --> 01:32:28,300
Yeah.

2091
01:32:28,300 --> 01:32:29,300
It's up to us at the end of the day.

2092
01:32:29,300 --> 01:32:32,300
We don't have to put up with the bullshit any longer.

2093
01:32:32,300 --> 01:32:35,300
We can take the choice to change things.

2094
01:32:35,300 --> 01:32:36,300
It's not easy.

2095
01:32:36,300 --> 01:32:39,300
It's a difficult road, but it's the road to follow.

2096
01:32:39,300 --> 01:32:41,300
We can do it.

2097
01:32:41,300 --> 01:32:46,300
So ladies and gentlemen, I think we've come to the end of the formal part of the evening.

2098
01:32:46,300 --> 01:32:53,300
John and I will be sitting down here and anybody wants books signed or anything else.

2099
01:32:53,300 --> 01:32:56,300
I do post for selfies.

2100
01:32:56,300 --> 01:32:57,300
If anybody wants that?

2101
01:32:57,300 --> 01:32:58,300
No, no objection.

2102
01:32:58,300 --> 01:33:01,300
Let's charge for selfies.

2103
01:33:01,300 --> 01:33:04,300
This is a source of income that we have not yet.

2104
01:33:04,300 --> 01:33:06,300
We're here for you.

2105
01:33:06,300 --> 01:33:09,300
So anything that you want really.

2106
01:33:09,300 --> 01:33:10,300
Thank you.

2107
01:33:10,300 --> 01:33:11,300
Thank you.

2108
01:33:11,300 --> 01:33:14,300
Thank you.

2109
01:33:14,300 --> 01:33:16,300
Thank you.