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Okay, I'm talking with Bill Casing and Bill Casing is, you might call a pioneer in this whole

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issue of getting it truth and reality and specifically in the area of the Apollo Moon missions,

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what happened and what didn't happen.

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And it's when the module set down on the surface of the Moon, the amount of propulsion that

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would have been required to do that, and it leaves no cloud of dust, no crater.

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Having seen hundreds of rocket firings when I was employed by rocket-dine, I know that

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the jet of the lunar module lander, the lunar lander, would have created an enormous crater.

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It would have scoured the Moon surface.

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It would have tossed up rocks sand everything and created a crater, maybe so large, that

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the entire lunar lander could have sunk into it.

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After all, we're dealing with a 10,000-pound thrust engine, which is pointed directly at the

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surface, lowered into the surface.

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And yet, if you look at pictures of the lunar lander on the Moon, there is no disturbance,

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whatsoever under the lunar lander's rocket.

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And no dust deposited in the pads, the cup-shaped pads at the bottom.

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That's another good point.

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Dust would have been blown six ways from Sunday and would have landed everywhere.

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Then the famous scene, which has been played over and over where they are landing,

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there, but if setting down, and you're hearing the astronaut talking through it.

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Oh, that's a good point.

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I let's say became aware of that only recently that here's Neil Armstrong talking about

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landing on the Moon with a microphone, and yet he's sitting, practically on top of a rocket

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engine that is putting out sound levels of about 140 or 150 decibels.

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Now, we know that that is absolutely impossible to overcome that sound level inside the

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lunar lander with a normal human voice.

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Eagle, we got you down, we can go it over.

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Fudgetop is.

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Fudgetop is.

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I'm going to go around the angle, F-band pitch, minus 9 or a plus 1-8.

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Here I go, to do a go to contingipard, to contingipard, to contingipard, to contingipard, to

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contingipard, to contingipard, to contingipard, to contingipard, to contingipard, to contingipard.

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Now, the two now, 21,000 feet still looking very good.

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The loss would be down now to 1200 feet per second.

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You're looking great, there you go.

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Give us the reading on the 12 or two program alarm.

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Right here we got you, we're going at alarm.

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Good radar data.

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We're now in the approach phase, everything looking good.

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altitude 42,000.

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Just in your self-relaning over.

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I'd rather than go for landing, 3000 feet.

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Shot alarm.

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altitude 16,400 feet still looking very good.

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113,21 down, 33 degrees.

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113,919.

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We're going the same time, we're going.

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altitude, velocity, light, and end down to 20 feet.

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15 forwards.

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114, which is a nice lake 200 feet.

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1 1 1 1 1 1, 5 1 1 1 1, 2.

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6 feet seconds.

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Fight on.

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Down to an 1 1.

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Forward forward.

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Up.

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Waiting for you down to an 1 1.

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Making up some depth.

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Forward forward.

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Forward, just into the right low.

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Up.

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Up.

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On backlight.

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OK, engine stop.

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We got to get down and go.

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And go to the vehicle.

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We have a change to our graphic picture here in the background.

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It's a one sheet poster that I put together from pictures on the website www.gocities.com slash apollo reality slash.

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And the gentleman that put this together got actually these images off the Langley research center website.

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And some of these actually you're just seeing for the first time yourself isn't that right Bill.

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That's right.

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Yeah, I'm amazed to find these pictures.

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I've never seen any of them before except the one in the upper right.

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And what amazed is me is this one here showing model of the moon.

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With a camera track showing how easily it would have been to fake the filming of the moon.

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And then the image just to the right of that shows like the finished moon.

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Exactly.

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Somebody sitting at the controls may be turning it or these are very revealing pictures.

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And I was strongly recommend people with PCs to download them and study them.

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And of course this brings up the subject of the death of whistleblowers.

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Men like Gus Grisson who was burned to death along with Chafian White.

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He went to crazy pretty open with putting a lemon on the.

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Yeah, he was very he was going to give an interview about what he's really thought about Apollo.

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And as you say, he hung a lemon on the cap command capsule on the day that he was murdered.

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And we should also look at Scott Grisson, his son's evidence that a secret switch was installed in the capsule to ignite the fire that killed Grisson, Chafian White.

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We could go on for quite a while about the death and injury to people that have pursued this Apollo's.

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Hope subject very diligently.

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They went to a NASA spokesman who was Brian Welch.

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Oh, yes.

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They asked him about some of these anomalies.

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You recall what he had what he said about some of the things.

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He tried to dispute everything that the Apollo hopes advocates brought out.

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But the interesting thing is that about a month after he gave this interview, he was dead.

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That always kind of appuzzled me because he was at least trying to hold on to it, right?

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So, right.

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Do you think they would have actually killed him just because he didn't do a good enough job?

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Yes, I think that's what happened.

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He didn't do a good enough job.

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So, they killed him as an example to other people who were defending like Richard Hoglin.

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Hoglin obviously is a fake.

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And he's an employee of NASA who many occasions has tried to discredit me and my associates.

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There are much better mysteries that call into questions some of the photography,

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which I agree with you, looks frankly hoaxed.

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What sort of it could have been staged and they could have released it, Richard?

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Exactly. That was on my photographic experts that I've called in over the years.

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I've been to God at I've looked at the NSST film.

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I mean, I have examples, actual examples there of NASA air brushing the moon.

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Well, I know there's a lot, but you see, I have a different model.

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So you're saying they've baked some of the photos.

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I think they've baked some photos. I think they've hidden other things in the photos and I'll give you my bottom line.

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I think there is an enormous Apollo conspiracy.

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But I think we've been sold the wrong conspiracy to keep people like you,

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Bright eyes or ask in good questions, looking in the wrong direction,

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which these people are past masters of doing.

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Because the real conspiracy is not to go to the moon.

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It's what did we find on the moon?

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There's aliens on it to know.

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And as I said earlier in the show, I found areas where NASA's baked the imagery.

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I believe to hide really cool stuff.

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And I found other areas where the photographs are consistent with us landing on the moon.

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Well, as possible, Richard, that some of these beauty shots were staged and they threw them in there and grouped them in with the real ones.

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Exactly.

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Next stop. Let's go to our wild card line here on the air with us.

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Our next speaker is Professor James McKinney.

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If you double the size of your rocket, you don't double the size of your payload.

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So you're very limited and now let's try and get to the next planets or to the moon.

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We have to start sending individual things up there, couple them together and then go out to these other planets.

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By the way, there's a small problem with going to the moon and inch by inch, NASA is leaking out that they know that there's a problem there.

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It's called the Van Allen belts.

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Hi radiation belts of charge particles around Earth.

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And we don't know how to get through them.

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They say, well, isn't that interesting because they're sure didn't seem to be a problem back in 1969?

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Obviously they didn't go to the moon.

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The United States did not go to the moon. The Russians knew it all along.

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I thought at the time we did, but I've since learned we absolutely did not.

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And there's no question about it.

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And they're starting to figure out NASA has a program called Living with a Star.

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That's a pretty name for how do we get through the Van Allen belts.

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They have all their top scientists working on it.

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It's a tremendous problem because we do not have any kind of a spacecraft that we can send up that doesn't have metal in it.

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And when these charge particles hit metal, they produce x-rays.

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Nothing you can do to get around that.

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So anybody sitting around something metal in outer space in the Van Allen belts is going to be french-fied.

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And so that whole thing was a giant hoax.

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And you have second and third tier scientists in the United States who are running around saying, oh yes we did, yes we did.

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But the very top level people, what I call the tier one scientist, the black-op mil scientist, no perfect we didn't go.

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And it's a real problem. They don't know how to get through there.

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This picture is with the new Hubble camera.

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And it shows that in fact if you take this angular distance out to Pluto and you translate it into the surface of the moon,

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we can in fact resolve the landing sites, the alleged lunar landing sites.

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And the way you would do this is you take the pictures at dusk when the shadows became very long and would be a very hard thing for them to fake.

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So anyway, we have telescope sun Earth that are much larger than the Hubble.

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Much better resolving power. So why you would think these astronomers would be chopping at the bit to show you those lunar landing sites and look at the incredible resolving power of this telescope we have here.

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Why have none of them done that? Because there are eight nothing there.

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And we get all kinds of excuses. All we can't turn the telescope up there because the moon is too bright.

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Well, then all of a sudden we saw the full moon on a web page and a NASA web page. The entire full moon.

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Taking with the Hubble space telescope and you're telling me they can't take one little teeny patch of the moon, which is millions of times less bright.

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So bottom line is they know they didn't go.

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Join us now on a quest for the truth to the moon.

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In this film, we shall not only prove beyond all reasonable doubt that many of the official NASA images of lunar exploration are fake.

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But we shall also examine the motives for the biggest lie put before the world. Why did NASA repeatedly fake lunar images and photographs?

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Why did NASA stage lunar expeditions which did not happen?

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The answer will surprise you.

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NASA spent gigantic sums of money during the 1960s.

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But most of it was spent on the ground, not in space.

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Huge American corporations, many of which were manufacturing hardware for the military, made gigantic profits designing space vehicles and more importantly,

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life-sized models of spaceships and even huge stage sets resembling the lunar surface.

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Someone in NASA had realized that after taking billions of dollars from the American people, if they couldn't make it to the moon, they would fake it to the moon.

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Obviously, if you are going to somewhere that nobody has been before, you need to have a simulator which recreates that environment as closely as you can.

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If you are going to the moon, you recreates the surface of the moon.

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And here we see a section of the lunar surface created.

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It's about 30 foot high, 30 foot long, 35 foot long, scale is given by the two people standing in front of them.

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There were plenty of simulation exercises, but the point is, and this is to be taken into account,

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in which everything is discussed with the Apollo program.

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400,000 people may have worked on the program in total, but none of them had a need to know more than his own job required.

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The people who were making the rockets didn't know what the people were making in space suits were doing, because they had no need to know about that.

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Their job was to make the best models and the best simulation of the lunar surface that they could.

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And if we come up to this picture here, we see the three scales on which these models were built.

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We have here the whole moon, as one unit, it stands about 20 foot high.

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We have here behind it a section of the surface of the moon, you'll notice it's curved.

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And here we have a more detailed section of the lunar surface.

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What you're saying is that the images which we're told show a camera pointing out the window of the lunar module as it's coming into land on the moon could well have been filmed previously using these large scale models.

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That's right, it could well be that what we're looking at are films of realistic models.

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We have no means of name if they were actually taken on the lunar surface, or whether what we're watching is part of the simulation exercise and the training exercise.

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And you'll notice here on these models there is a camera track.

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A camera starting at this end coming down here would approach the moon or appear to approach the moon and become ever closer towards it.

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This is a simulation rig that was built, this is the command and service module of the Apollo program.

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And you'll notice that the window here looks out onto a block here, and there's another one here.

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The curved these are the screens onto which the lunar surface was projected as the craft made a simulated approach towards the lunar surface.

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Is what we're seeing a mixture of fact and fiction.

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It is fact, it is fiction, it's mixed together, hard to separate them until you examine it closely.

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If a spacecraft is in deep space, the only possible explanation for a light seen through the window of the spacecraft is the sun, is the only bright light in space.

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If it's not the sun, then it has to be some other artificial light, which implies that that particular image is possibly fiction.

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July 1961, NASA was soon being criticized for the flimsy construction of their hardware.

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The first orbital capsules did not even have windows in them for the astronauts to look out of.

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One of the most vocal critics was one of NASA's most respected astronauts, an all-American hero named Virgil Gus Grissum, who almost drowned when recovery helicopters were unable to lift his space capsule from the sea.

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After a successful journey into space, Gus Grissum almost died through NASA's bad planning.

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Or was this an early attempt to silence Gus Grissum?

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In 1993, 1969, astronaut Gordon Cooper experiences reentry problems in his faith-seven rocket ship.

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The prototype lunar module, known as the limb, had serious stability problems.

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At this stage, there was no guarantee that even if NASA managed to get a spaceship orbiting the moon, they could land safely without killing the crew.

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Could the footage, which we see of the limb approaching the moon, be filmed in a TV studio?

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It was filmed in a TV studio. There's absolutely no doubt whatsoever about that.

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The way that this film was created was by the use of models, starting secret about the models they exist. You don't see them today.

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The models were very likes, very realistic. There is one that is a life size model. It's a flag-starfin aerosolina. It's two miles long, and it's an exact replica of the sea of tranquillity.

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The photographs were used to create from those images the replica of the sea of tranquillity, so that if it was flown over in helicopter, it would appear as if it was a spacecraft approaching a similar area to land.

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So yes, all the scenes of the lunar surface were filmed on earth.

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The film was filmed on earth.

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The film was filmed on earth.

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Radiation, and without having spacesuits, nor spacecraft, which can protect the occupants from radiation,

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NASA convinced the American people to pay $40 billion for the space program.

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The most lethal forms of radiation are the higher end of the spectrum.

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That's gamma rays and x-rays.

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We know what ultraviolet can do if you stay out too long in the sun. You get sunburns, skin cancer and dye, and is over asad.

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But gamma rays, and x-rays, especially, are particularly lethal to humans, unprotected humans.

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There was no protection that I have been able to identify.

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I'd be found no reference to it. I found nothing that will tell me what level of protection is offered, so I have to assume none was.

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I've contacted the manufacturers of the space suits, and they said there was no radiation protection built into the space suits.

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Because I asked them if these same spaces could be used to buy technicians to get to Chernobyl 3-mal island.

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Because the nuclear reactors produced the same radiation as produced in space. They said no. Not advisable. No protection.

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The same thing happened.

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James Van Allen grew up in the small Iowa town of Mount Pleasant during the 1920s.

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He was an exceptional student. We came classed out of Victorian, and exhibited an intense vision that even then looked beyond our planet.

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The environment was the time of the Cold War, and it was something scary.

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It was something for a child that seemed very scary to hear about bomb shelters and hiding under our desk.

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And I remember, first hearing that my father was going to go to Russia, and being frightened so frightened by that, and asking my father,

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why was he going to Russia? It wasn't he scared.

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And I remember him explaining to me that in the scientific community what they do, and as they take data and exchange data somehow that transcends what is going on in the political arena.

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So there is always a sense that the quest for intellectual activity was something very special.

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Remember that so that the Cold War suddenly didn't seem very cold to me even as a young child.

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In Washington, the media focused on the Explorer one achievement as at last legitimizing the U.S. as a worthy adversary to confront the communist's footnics.

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The public seemed captivated with the propaganda created by this new space phrase.

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Dr. Van Allen and his students, however, chose to focus on the data that was returning from their scientific instrument inside Explorer one.

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When the first results came back, the group at the University of Iowa, this was of an Allen and attorney Ray then began to help with it.

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Eventually Carl McLean saw immediately that there was an anomaly, there was something unexpected.

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We have encountered a very great increase in radiation intensity, which is vastly beyond what could be due to cosmic rays alone.

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We call it gym-ignitically trial-preudiation, and I gave an explanation of my interpretation of the press conference following the scientific session.

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One of the reporters said that the company was trying to visualize what I was saying.

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He said, you mean it's in circles, the earth like a belt. I said, yes, that's great. That's what it is. It's like a belt around the earth.

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That's the way they got the name of radiation belt from the sixth change of the newspaper reporter in myself.

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Certainly the discovery of the radiation belts was the most important discovery of the international geophysical year,

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because it represented a discovery of some major phenomena that had a substantial impact both on scientific research and on plans for a manned flight later on.

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In late 1958 and early 1959, Ben Allen flew instruments on Pioneer's 3 and 4, both were unsuccessful attempts to hit the moon,

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but their flights provided the Iowa group with essential confirming data. Pioneer's 3 document of the existence of a second radiation belt,

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and Pioneer 4 became the first U.S. spacecraft to orbit the sun.

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Any ill effects from the Van Allen radiation belts?

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No, no, I'm not sure we went far enough out to encounter the Van Allen radiation belt, maybe we did.

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Say that I'm not a chemist, I'm not a geologist or an anthropologist. I'm a retired electrical engineer. I've worked at NASA Goddard for over 20 years.

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I'm retired now and I have worked with image processing, which is similar to some of the things that are done on computers today.

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However, at the time that I did my work, the computers that are so well established today were not available.

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So, hello, I like your presentation very much, but I've got a couple of questions here.

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What if any are the differences between you and Richard Hoglin concerning the politics on the cover-up?

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And part two is what's the difference between you and Mr. Hoglin concerning the scientific implications of the face,

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especially since Richard Hoglin kind of brings in hyper-dimensional physics into the picture of the face on Mars. Thank you.

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Okay, the one thing I like to clarify, I should have done at the beginning, Richard Hoglin and myself are like oil and water.

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The second thing is that, and I'll go into the third thing, is that Richard comes up with ideas where he does not have groundwork or supporting evidence, not even evidence,

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and certainly not proof that things exist where they don't.

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For instance, I've seen some of his work where he has found swastikas and German tanks on Mars, and he has found cathedrals on the moon Europe of Jupiter,

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that resembled burnt out cathedrals from World War II in Europe.

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And various other things which not only can't be proved, but they aren't even evidence, and I stay as far away from him as I can.

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And there was a last part of your question concerned, I forget exactly.

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Yes, he always talks about hyper-dimensional physics.

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And he comes up with all these formulas on the dimensions of the also the pyramid on Mars, you know, and all these, you know, he, you know, in his book he has all these geometric configurations and he tries to bring in hyper-dimensional physics.

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It's hard enough for me to give evidence and present it at conferences with facts that I can show to scientists, but to try to back up something with a relationship to another planet is so hypothetical that it has just doesn't have the substance to hold up.

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Most scientists would classify that under the term of numerology and not have anything to do with it.