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Really interesting because just before you turned up to this event a couple of weeks ago
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this whole thing sort of hit a peak in my eyes anyway given that I was putting this talk together
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the fact was that as you'll see it was discussed at White House level between two heads of state
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and for me that was quite a sort of having worked with the Gary McKinnon campaign for nearly a decade now
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certainly nine years, I've been down to demos and tried to sort of you know we rallied with the Home Office
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and did lots of write to MPs, I've been down to the House of Commons to see an MP about this
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and trying to get them to vote regarding the extradition so his mum as well has put a lot of work into it
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so to finally see this discussed the Gary McKinnon campaign were sort of pleased to see the fact that this has finally reached White House level
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so for those of you who haven't seen this, I just edited this, a couple of...
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Mr President, Tom Bradby, ITV News.
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Quite a lot of people in the UK feel that your determination as a country to continue to push for the extradition of computer hacker
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and asperger sufferer Gary McKinnon is disproportionate and somewhat harsh.
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Do you think it is time now to consider some leniency in this case?
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And Prime Minister, you've expressed very strong views on this matter suggesting that Mr McKinnon shouldn't be extradited.
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Your Deputy Prime Minister has expressed even stronger views.
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Did you discuss that with the President today and if not would now be a good moment to share your views with us once again.
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Shall I go? Please go ahead.
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It is something that we discussed in our meeting.
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I mean clearly there's a discussion going on between the British and the Americans about this
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and I don't want to prejudice those discussions.
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We completely understand that Gary McKinnon stands accused of a very important and significant crime
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in terms of hacking into vital databases and nobody denies that that is an important crime that has to be considered.
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But I have had conversations with the US Ambassador as well as raising it today with the President about this issue
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and I hope a way through can be found.
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Well, one of the things that David and I discussed was the increasing challenge that we're going to face
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as a consequence of the Internet and the need for us to cooperate extensively on issues of cyber security.
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Yeah, Barrack then went into a waffle about cyber security and really didn't mention the case at all.
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I think he's trying to get out of actually making a personal decision on it.
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But quite interesting I thought given that I've never really been a fan of the Conservatives
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and the fact that they've actually seem to have done more while they're both out of office
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along with the Liberal Democrats to actually get the McKinnon campaign noticed
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and to make stands in our Parliament about it.
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And then within a few months of him becoming Prime Minister Cameron has brought it up,
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keeping all his credit, has brought it up in front of Obama.
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So it's really been worth the McKinnon campaign hanging on for as long as they've done.
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His mum did say that she'd chain herself to the railings before letting her son go to America.
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It's that sort of attitude that's worked for them and has led them to hold on for as long as they have.
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So it's got to this stage where it's actually been discussed at this sort of level.
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So basically I just want to outline what sort of thing we're going to look for.
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It's not taking anything away from Gary's plight and the actual campaign that they're doing
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and the sort of, you know, the problems that he's facing.
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But he raised some interesting issues which a lot of you will know about.
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And for those that may not know so much about it, I'm going to have to go over what he found again,
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a little bit to do with that sort of evidence.
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But it's sort of examining, given what we discuss, given what we discuss in ExoPolitics
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regarding things like disclosure, whether we've got a secret space fleet,
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the whole idea of free energy systems and things like that, it's trying to examine,
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well, given what Gary McKinnon found, how weighty is his evidence, given it was just his testimony,
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how weighty is his evidence and what other evidence is about that backs up what he found?
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So I'm trying to do that and give it a new context so we can see that, you know,
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it wasn't just a guy hacking and having a look around.
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He actually found, I believe he's telling the truth, he actually found something quite significant, I think.
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And so he's looking around at the other data in the area to try and see if we can build a picture up,
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to see if what he found was worthwhile and what sort of hints it gives us about what's going on
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both in the political world and, strangely, above our heads, it seems.
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There's quite a lot going on.
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And so I've made the point as well then that the McKinnon case is inherently exopolitical.
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In other words, you know, I see the McKinnon case, and I always have done,
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that it acutely involves exopolitics. Everything about it is exopolitical.
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And so I think it's a very interesting example of the fact that he's been in the office of the White House
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since the very beginning of the U.S. Department of State,
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and he's been in the office of the White House since the very beginning of the U.S. Department of State,
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and he's been in the office of the White House since the very beginning of the U.S. Department of State,
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and he's been in the office of the White House since the very beginning of the U.S. Department of State,
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and he's been in the office of the White House since the very beginning of the U.S. Department of State,
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and he's been in the office of the White House since the very beginning of the U.S. Department of State,
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and I think what we've just seen, that it's now reached White House level,
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the fact is, does the McKinnon thing actually represent this sort of 2012 up and down?
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I don't want to use that buzzword, but it's that sort of, things are coalescing, they come into a point,
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and isn't it strange, don't you find it strange at this moment that the McKinnon thing actually reached,
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no other UFO case, very few other cases to do with anything like that,
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have actually reached sort of a level of where they've been mentioned in the British Parliament,
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and mentioned by two heads of state at what is the biggest political institution in the world, the White House,
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so what's going on there, does it represent this final struggle between the two, light and dark,
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if you want to get melodramatic for a moment, I don't know, see what you think by the end of this.
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So, just going to cover, just aspects of what I found, I have to go over that,
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I'm only going to do that briefly because that's been on the internet, it's also been on BBC News,
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or they tend to not do it in too much detail, I'd like to skip over that bit,
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look at the evidence there, and then what is case represents,
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and again, we'll highlight what is case represents by bringing in aspects of other cases in UFOlogy,
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other cases in exopolitics, and so by highlighting those,
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we're going to sort of shine a light on what Gary found and see just how important it is,
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and just some questions that I want you to sort of ask yourselves during this,
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is again what I mentioned about why this case,
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why when there's actually lots of hackers that are penetrating networks in America and in Europe,
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there's loads of cases, why is it that Gary's case, is there any reason why Gary's case got so big,
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and you know, it's looking at situations like,
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Gary's often mentioned that there was other IP addresses,
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there's other nations that for years, prior to him he's guessing,
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especially China apparently, that were trawling these military networks,
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and yet nothing was being done, so you've got an old USA adversary like China,
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which you think was a huge threat, which were left alone,
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nothing was done about those and other people, and yet they get a Brit,
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and all of a sudden they're pushing for this huge 70 year sentence.
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As part of the exopolitics thing, I, it's trying to look at things,
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the one issue I had with ufology, if you want to make a sort of a division between the two,
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between exopolitics and ufology, is that a lot of the UFO people that I used to sort of listen to,
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it was always on about, you know, the case was either true or it was false,
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it was this issue of, well, you know, that one's real, but we can debunk that one,
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and I just think that now things have got too complex for that sort of situation,
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and fair enough, we're not on about, you know, the blatant cases where there are just sort of hoaxes and stuff,
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we're not on about that, we're on about trying to look at information in a slightly different way,
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and to filter it through perhaps a different sort of lens or mechanism,
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so we can pull out what's useful from it, and I think that no longer can we use the sort of,
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you know, these linear formats for sort of browsing through evidence and making decisions,
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you know, you hear things like Occam's razor being brought up in the UFO world all the time,
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and sometimes, you know, sometimes these things are useful,
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but I think the common ways that we've been taught at school to sort of weigh up evidence are not of use anymore,
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we need a more sort of quantum approach.
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One of the people that's doing this is a great writer who I mentioned in every,
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I mentioned in every talk, and that's Peter Dale Scott.
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A lot of you might know him from 9-11, so he did a lot of work on sort of 9-11 and JFK conspiracy,
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but he does it from what he calls a parapolitical or a deep political angle.
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Essentially, he's now saying that the world's interactions, political or otherwise, every cultural, every form,
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are now so complex that we need this sort of new framework for,
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we need a new framework for sort of examining these.
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He also says that they are, they're so complex that they now involve things like,
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there's no separation now between what we see as good old politics and sort of the media,
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and he also starts to include things like crime and drug trafficking in there.
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Basically saying that all these things are now linked up in this kind of shady, murky mess,
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and that we need this deep or parapolitical angle to weigh this information up
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and say that it's got, it's so complex that we're actually in a collective state of denial
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about just how bad a thing it's got.
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So, you know, we know that sort of some governments are involved in drug trafficking,
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some governments or intelligence agencies are involved in child trafficking, all this sort of stuff,
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and we're in a state of denial about just how bad it's got,
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and we can't actually process it due to the complexity,
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and we're in a complex world now with the internet and stuff.
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It's not just, the denial is not just due to that fact,
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it's probably also due to the vast overwhelming amount of information that's sort of out there.
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So, Peter Dale Scott's covered that, and I've sort of, ever since coming across his work
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and sort of the ex-politics thing, I thought that the ETUFO issue also fits nicely
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within his sort of remit of what deep politics is.
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In other words, it's, you know, you can apply the UFO issue to every political starter out there,
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and also we're in a collective state of denial about the fact that we're probably being visited
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by intelligent beings, so if you've got a few weeks on your hand,
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go and grab one of his books from Waterstones, because well worth a read.
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So, as part of that process, I try and approach things a little bit differently using that sort of framework,
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and not using this sort of either-or framework that I mentioned before,
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then I talk about trying to build this mosaic of evidence.
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So, instead of pulling a piece of evidence or data up, and then suddenly sort of dismissing it
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and saying, no, that's, well obviously that's hoax, or that's of no use,
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then it's trying to keep that sort of thing in your, in the back of your mind,
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and gradually instead you build up this picture, like I've badly tried to do with this UFO picture here,
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with this mosaic pattern.
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You slowly build up a pattern, and you can then weigh up the, you weigh up the data sort of afterwards,
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when you reach a certain point.
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So, as I said, the ex-politics is essentially a multidisciplinary approach to things.
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It's holographic in nature, or very much like sort of quantum,
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it's approaching information like sort of quantum physics does,
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when that revolutionized physics in the 1920s,
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and just making the point that, you know, it's trying to deal with things as if it's ongoing,
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the UFO issue is sort of fluid and it's dynamic, it's always developing,
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and it's trying to handle the evidence in that way.
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I mentioned Occam's razor before, again used by a lot of sort of UFO people to claim that the simplest theory,
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although he didn't actually say that if you read what Occam said, the simplest theory is always the sort of best one.
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That's a picture of the, that's the last demo at the home office with sort of Gary McKinnon's supporters.
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So it's just, so trying to fit what Gary found, the evidence that Gary found,
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using this sort of new framework, so pulling these bits of evidence that you'll see around from other areas,
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and filtering them through, and perhaps seeing how that backs up what Gary's found.
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Daily Mail took up Gary's campaign, you know, middle of the road paper, quite actually, quite interesting,
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been really supportive, quite a shift as well, given their sort of previous,
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and the same with some of the other tabloids also sort of come on board with that.
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So what's happened with Gary, I'll be quick with this because you'll know most about this,
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if you've seen it, it's obviously made press headlines and stuff since 2002,
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especially when the extradition began, because that's when really, in 2005 and 6,
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when the Americans really tried to start bringing him over, that's when things first happened,
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first really started with his family and the sort of support community to try and prevent this extradition.
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And if you know much about the extradition treaty, it's highly unfair because actually,
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if we were to summon an American citizen over to Britain under the same system,
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we would have to provide a certain amount of proof and evidence for that,
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and America would actually hold a trial first to decide whether that was workable or not.
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The Americans don't have to do that for citizens from this country and most other countries that have
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sillily signed this agreement.
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So yeah, I thought that was the other interesting thing that Gary did, was actually made that link,
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because a lot of people don't know this, one of the main points that he actually started
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as well as seeing the disclosure project in 2001, one of the main points was that he,
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around about 2000, we had those, in Britain we had those huge fuel bills that were going up,
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and fuel prices were sort of doubling and we had all the headlines that there was
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old age pensioners dying and stuff, and Gary basically around that time said that he wanted to find out
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if these free energy, linked to the UFOs, if the free energy systems were actually available,
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if people like NASA and the Pentagon were sort of closeting these systems,
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because of course if they could be brought out, then they could be used to provide cheap energy,
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instead of elderly people having to decide between whether they ate that day or turned on their fire,
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you know, it's a pretty basic need in this so-called advanced age really.
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So briefly on this background, because most of you seem to know about it,
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arrested in 2002 by the high-tech National Crime Squad, which has since been disbanded,
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that was the government's attempt then to try and tackle cybercrime, as usual there were decades behind everything else.
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By that time Gary had been active for a couple of years, he actually publicly says it was after 2001,
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he'd been active a couple of years before that, a year before that anyway.
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So another time was promised, as you'll have heard, basically it was going to be a minor punishment,
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some form of community service or something, after a sort of token UK trial.
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But since then the USA have increased the pressure, brought in lawyers, they paid someone from Microsoft
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to come and take charge of the case, all sorts of strange stuff going on just to get this guy over,
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again it's ask yourself why this is happening.
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Some people have suggested that Gary was set up in this way, and he, I spoke to him about this,
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he actually laughs at this idea, the idea that it was a honey trap, which is sort of a computer term,
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obviously the idea that he was lured in so they could make some sort of example out of him,
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and he totally disagrees, and I think I do too.
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Most of this is about humiliation on parts of the USA, because as you know the security wasn't actually great.
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As he says, mentioning that, the security, there were other IP addresses there, as you said, with China.
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Gary found default passwords, and so essentially he managed to get in with,
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just like when you set up your computer or router at home, then you use the default passwords of admin
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and whatever you can manage to get in, he got into whole sections using that sort of really basic,
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he admits himself he's no genius, really basic hacker skills.
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While he was there he left notes to administrators, again being quite blatant about this,
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at the end he wasn't even covering his tracks about where he was coming from, so it was all pretty obvious.
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And then just to make the point a bit more that he's not some master criminal,
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he was using a 56K dial-up system and couldn't even pull the images back, must have been really frustrating,
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so when he's finding these odd things then couldn't pull the images back down the pipe to get them,
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so he was just on a slow dial-up system.
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So what did he find? Firstly, he found a building where, he'd been to the disclosure project,
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and a lady was giving testimony about a room that she went in and saw that certain pictures that were coming from
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NASA satellites and probably the shuttle and wherever else were being airbrushed out.
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He went straight to that building virtually and managed to find a directory that contains these unbrushed photos
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and then the ones that had been changed and altered afterwards.
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I thought that was interesting because that backed up what the disclosure project witnesses were saying.
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In addition, the two major things that we're going to concentrate on is he found a spreadsheet
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which contained lists of fleet-to-fleet transfers, and there was something going on with cargo, he said,
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and I just remember seeing these spreadsheets of that.
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But the most important part about that is when he checked, he wrote down the ship names,
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and when he checked for these in an encyclopedia or online, these weren't naval seagoing ships.
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So these ships were described, but they weren't seagoing naval ships, they were something else,
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so you have to use your imagination for that.
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In addition, he found the non-terrestrial officer list, which is an intriguing title,
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and you have to think about what that could mean.
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No one really knows, but we think it's probably human and not the other version.
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The one thing I wanted to add, given that we've mentioned that we're talking about a secret space fleet,
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is if you go on the internet, you'll find a couple of references to whistleblowers talking about a secret space fleet
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under the name Solar Warden and the 10th Fleet, and we're not going to look at those today
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because there's not a whole lot of evidence for those, that's people claiming they've found something on a web forum
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and a bit of discussion about that.
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Interesting though, because it was a British programme, is of course Alternative 3,
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which most of you will have seen, which one of the options was to build ships and fly to other planets
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as a way of dealing with the problems on Earth.
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That was existing decades ago, so it may not be too far-fetched, even if that was fiction,
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that the ideas were sort of memetically around decades ago, and you could ask yourself why, maybe why that is.
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So it's basically, we're going to have a look at some other evidence, some other similar cases,
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and when we've made a sort of conclusion about how Gary's case fits into that and what's the relevance of his testimony,
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then it's deciding what impact that has for us as sort of a species, what impact that has on who we vote for,
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what we do with our daily lives and things, because there's some quite significant things that perhaps may come from that,
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that I'm hoping that some of the stuff might shock you a little bit if you find out exactly what's going on,
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and if you actually believe what you see.
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So I'm going to quickly go through this, because it's just mentioning the facts that a lot of people,
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when I mentioned I was doing a talk on this, a lot of people seem to be under the impression that actually
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the fleets that are out there, if we want to classify them as terrestrial and not ET,
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many of the UFOs that we see around have actually come from Nazi projects.
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There's a lot of rumours with regards to Roswell around that, and there's a guy called Joseph Parrell who's done an awful lot of stuff on this,
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and he makes the point that they've done an amazing amount of technology,
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and that their technology in sort of 1945 was way ahead of the Americans and anyone else,
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and they shrunk transistors and had infrared on tanks and all sorts of things.
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But again, if you look at the literature, there's just as much data also saying that the Nazis had invented really colossal,
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advanced UFO type sources.
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The fact was that they were, they supposedly found sources in the 1930s, and there's that whole occult thing going on.
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With the fact you'll find there's a lot of data there that says that the certain parts of the early Third Reich movement were involved with
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these occult movements like the Black Sun and the Thule Societies,
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which had either direct or channeled communication with ET groups,
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mostly linked of course with the whole Aryan thing that was going on with the Nazis,
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linked to Nordics or Aryans, also called the Palladians.
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So there's this idea that there's a link there between those two things,
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and that in fact they could have some sort of influence on, some direct influence with some ET race on the fact that they built the sources.
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Again, if you look at all the, even whistleblowers from the old Nazi regime and people that claim to have built mechanisms for sources and stuff,
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talk about sort of RIL, that's a term for energy, Hannibu is another name for the sources that are around.
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It's endless, and most of the photos you can go and see online have little laser cannons stuck on the bottom of UFOs.
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I don't know how true all those are. I don't know how real most of it is.
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Someone said a lot of this is a scam to make the sort of Nazi thing seem far bigger and better than it was.
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There's the issue of Foo Fighters, which also sort of confused me, the fact that these things were going up in the 40s
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and taking on and getting our airplanes, our battle airplanes to actually get the engines to shut down, which is quite an interesting part of that.
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The only, the direction I tend to go with after looking at this for several years is the fact that I think they probably did build some sources,
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but they had huge problems getting them to a suitably stable state and also getting sort of weapons on board.
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You've got whole problems when you start using sort of anti-gravity with adding things on.
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You have to have a smooth thing for sort of the iron flow beneath sources and things like that.
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So this whole thing with machine guns stuck on the bottom, I don't know how actually true that is.
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And the main point as well that makes me think that no, I don't actually think that the, you know,
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the Nazi create the fleets that we were seeing sort of in the 50s and stuff was because, of course, Hitler often talked about bringing out this sort of wonder weapon.
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Some people say that was the atomic bomb or Joseph Farrell claims it was the Nazi belt, which is sort of linked to the UFO thing.
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But, you know, you probably think, well, that could be a flying saucer.
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But the fact is, you know, whatever happened, we didn't hear of anything being blown up by the allies.
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And the the wonder weapon in the form of a UFO didn't come out in 1944 or 45 to save the war for Hitler.
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So so my take on this is the Nazis didn't have a fully fully functional fleet at sort of the end of the forties.
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One someone said recently that if you see this is a picture from 1942.
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It's an amazing picture. It's used by a lot of sort of UFO researchers in the middle of those spotlights.
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This over Los Angeles is actually a saucer that I think hovered there for several hours and had hundreds and hundreds of shells fired at it,
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some of which they think hit and stuff, obviously sort of bounced off.
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And again, I would have suggested this was Nazi technology that popped over in 1942 to come sort of have a look at America and put the frightness on them and stuff.
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And again, I tend to think, well, if they got even one saucer that managed to do that, because this they didn't they didn't actually get the source to come down,
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even though they hit it and they got it totally in the crosshairs up there.
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But you tend to think, well, if they had something like that, one or two or 100 like that, then the war would have been totally different in the way it's in the way it turned out and it didn't.
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But yeah, Battle of Los Angeles, 1942. I thought that's a stunning picture and a real incident that you can go and you can go and check up.
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So again, a part of this mosaic process, it's starting to look at other other bits of data that sort of filter in around this whole idea of a space fleet.
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This idea that we've got this fleet of UFOs that are out there protecting the planet or fighting other aliens or whatever it is, whatever this non-terrestrial office sort of thing is going on and whatever these fleet to fleet transfers are.
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Interestingly, MacArthur came to the Philippines in the war, had a lot of sort of UFO activity out and over near Japan as well.
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There's a lot of sort of reported reported sightings, strange sightings going on towards the end of World War Two.
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And General MacArthur was a very effective, very effective war fighter, came back and I think it was 1955.
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Interestingly, probably higher up sort of general than the war, but it was a very effective war fighter.
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Interestingly, probably higher up sort of general that mixed with all the top brass in America, maybe Britain and Europe.
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But 1955, maybe having been exposed to some sort of post postwar Intel, don't forget Roswell that happens by then.
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They'd also been and found the paperclip scientists by then and brought them over.
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So, you know, if there's anything going on in Germany, they would have known about that.
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But just interesting, he makes the point that the nations of the world should unite for the next war will be an interplanetary war.
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He's deadly serious. That quote goes on a little bit.
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And it's interesting that way back in 1955, you know, a high up general is making a public statement like that.
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In addition, many of you know about Ben Rich, who released several, several statements from locking skunk works when he was retiring there.
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And made, you know, made quotes about saying we've got the ability to take ET home now.
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And several other things that really, really made us aware that the technology that we think is out there, even if we imagine sort of the whole thing that black projects might have these anti gravity, gravity vehicles and things really.
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He was saying it's way ahead of what you can imagine.
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I think he said, you know, hundreds of years ahead of what we can imagine.
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And he also made a point. He he saw the futility of the whole the whole issue of closeting technology between the corporations and the government.
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And, you know, he wanted the technology out.
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And I think he said something like it'll take an act of gods to get this technology out and out to the people.
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So so again, it's just a shame when these people who've worked in these projects at the real cutting edge, it takes until they get on their deathbed to actually say anything because, you know, the frighteners are put on them and they refuse to actually talk about it until then.
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The threat is such. So it's just a shame that that happens.
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But Ben Rich, really interesting quotes.
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If you've not heard of that, you can go and go and check those out for yourself.
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Again, depending on how controversial you want to get, then you're talking about this.
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Obviously, there's data out there from contactees whistleblowers and one that one case that I think is totally real is the is the case of Charles Hall, who was a weatherman at Nellis Air Force Base.
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It's also called Indian Springs, which I think is at the side of Area 51.
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And he was essentially a weatherman that that was out.
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They chose him, especially several of the weathermen mysteriously hadn't managed to do their job for more than a couple of weeks at a time.
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And there seemed to be a reason for that.
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And that was that there was a an alien base up there.
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It was very remote part.
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Indian Springs, very remote part of this American military reserve.
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And anyway, because of his nature, whatever it was, he managed to ingratiate himself with these.
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They were this is an artistic impression of them called the Tall Whites.
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And as the years went, he's written three books on this and he's given several talks.
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Seems very bona fide guy to me.
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But he managed to find out a bit about their a bit about their life and what they were doing here.
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He's very interested in their sort of social activities.
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And he found out that the US military were doing a direct exchange with so for the citizens have been able to be able to land their craft here and do the players and sort of use this as some sort of galactic outpost in their travels.
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That he he learns that they were doing technology exchanges with us and indeed also demonstrating our technology,
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demonstrating their technology to basically military generals and flying them to the moon and all sorts of other places.
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So that's I thought I was interested on the level that's that's you know that we've got this direct technology exchange going on the fact that in that if you believe that case, there's a direct sort of correlation between ET Tech and perhaps them trading with us and helping us to bootstrap our the process of which we we can advance technologically.
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Again, contact east of always.
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You know, it's always a bit divisive and you have to make your own mind up about it.
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This is this is contactee who this is the Billy Billy Meyer case.
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And this is a guy who's been filmed.
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And I want you to ask yourself how how he managed to get this footage because this was done before Photoshop was present.
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So I'm just going to play this and we'll discuss it briefly after essentially somebody's going through a photo album of this contactee's photos and he's got a good camera on it.
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You can see his first flight around our solar system.
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Here's a picture of Mars.
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By the way, this is not a professional tape.
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As you can see, these pictures are in a picture album.
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And I've just got my camcorder out and Wendell and I are flipping through the pictures.
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So this is not a produced tape for you to look at.
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So it'll probably never be on the market.
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But at least you get a chance to see some of these pictures.
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This is Mars just from a different direction with the sun very bright on it.
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Now, here is Mars.
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But here's one of these satellites.
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It's an orbit around Mars made on Earth unannounced and is in orbit.
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This is the spring of 1976.
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And this device is in orbit around Mars.
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I don't know exactly who made it or who put it up there.
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Here's another one.
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This is Mars again.
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And here's the light panels, solar panels and the satellite equipment in orbit around Mars again.
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This is a different one.
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This is a dust storm on Mars.
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Billy wanted to get close and try to take pictures of artifacts.
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You've all heard about some of the Cydona Plaza on Mars, about the face on Mars,
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that Richard Hoagland and other people have been looking into.
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Billy published a paper back in the 70s talking about that.
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There was a race of people who lived on Mars.
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They had a terrible catastrophe about 186,000 years back.
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At the time, there was about 40 million people killed on Mars.
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And they're all gone now, of course.
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So there were societies there, and we will find quite a few remains of their civilization once we get up there.
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Here he's on board one of their large motherships.
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This is the side or the edge of a saucer that was parked inside as he was walking by it.
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Here's Jupiter.
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Here's the mothership in orbit.
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They're flying into it to go aboard.
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It was 17 miles high and about 10 miles in diameter.
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He spent three days on it.
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They went to different places in our galaxy to show him around.
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This was the craft that was right in front of him as they were flying into it.
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He took a picture of that one.
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Here, again, is back at Mars.
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These aren't in any particular order.
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Here's another object in orbit around Mars.
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And look, here's an American flag on it.
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So there's a couple of things that they put up there that the military's put up that we don't know about.
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This jumps back here to, remember the Apollo-Soyuz hookup?
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The Apollo-Soyuz hookup, us and the Russians back in 76.
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Billy asked me if he could go up and watch it.
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They said, okay.
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They took him up.
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There's several pictures here of the Apollo-Soyuz hooking up with Earth in the background.
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Some of the wildest pictures he's got.
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I mean, just look at the vantage point.
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The planet's in the background.
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How else would you get this picture unless you were up there at that particular vantage point?
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Not a lot of people have that in their photo albums, you know.
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You can imagine the people at NASA would crack up, you know.
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They'd probably find it a little hard to believe at first, but they don't have pictures like this.
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Here it is where it's just hooked up.
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There's Earth in the background, and here's the two capsules coming together.
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Look at this one.
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This is another piece of equipment in orbit around Mars, and it's huge.
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It's like a space station.
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And it's in orbit around the planet.
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It's also from Earth.
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We haven't heard anything about that, have we?
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Yeah, I mean, again, contact e-data, it depends what you want to make of it.
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But I thought it was mostly the idea of having a look at the giant objects that were then being photographed.
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Again, no Photoshop in 1975, whenever that was.
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So again, huge objects around Mars and around various planets, and obviously sort of terrestrial, but undeclared.
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They weren't Viking explorers or anything like that.
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Those are big objects doing orbits around various planets.
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So again, it's how you want to take this.
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We're looking at this sort of McKinnon case.
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It's trying to feed all these other bits of data in from various places to try and weigh at what Gary found and sort of examine its validity.
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It's interesting as well.
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I'll just mention the Mars thing that obviously there seems to be a bit of a current fad at the moment on the whole Mars issue.
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I was at the Ex-Politics event in Spain, and Robert Dean and a guy called Henry Deacon jumped on stage
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and both declared that they were aware of colonies on Mars and that we'd been doing this for several years.
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There's another couple of whistleblowers, supposed whistleblowers, that have come out called Andrew Baciago and Laura Eisenhower
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that are also discussing these sort of exchange programs and again, I'm not sure what to make of it.
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But in the light that we're discussing a secret space program, then they've got to get there somehow.
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So I just thought it was worth mentioning those things.
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Another British guy who found stuff that, again, we've just seen the case that's supposed to be the Maya case
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that found the artifacts around Mars, huge, huge great structures that are obviously terrestrial with American flags on them.
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And I thought this was an amazing case and one that at the time sort of came and rocked the boat a little bit,
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but you don't hear much about it now because he's not putting out any more stuff.
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But this is a British guy called John Leonard Walsum who invented, came across, don't know how he did it,
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a method using domestic telescopes and a video recorder of finding, he was looking out in the sky,
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managed to zoom in on all these artifacts out in the sky, which then turned out not to be, no small artifacts at all,
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it turned out to be huge platforms.
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And again, it's like if this is true, which I believe it is, it's like what are they doing there?
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More importantly, how did they get there? Because as you'll see, some of the measurements they've done on some of these,
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these things are actually huge.
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This is a video that's got dialogue on that's actually quite interesting. I think this is interstellar.
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But again, have a look at this and bear in mind what we said at the start about how we examine,
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how we examine what McKinnon found and trying to sort of authenticate that and see what the impact of that is for sort of us
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and for the whole, the UFO scene, the ex-politics scene.
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Here we have an amateur astronomer capable of catching these things with his small telescope in a small camcorder.
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As it always goes with discoverers of great things, he has no funding, no high-end telescopes, no high-end cameras.
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He has found something that through his apparatus that he invented is capable of capturing interstellar spacecraft.
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If the starships that John Leonard Walson has captured in deep space are ours,
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then I am glad we have them out there protecting our planet.
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What they are protecting us from is thought-provoking, to say the least.
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These things are enormous. On the other hand, if they are not ours, I wonder who or what is operating them.
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There was a fear then of something out there. It became a very big concern.
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Asteroids, UFOs, people coming from other places. Paranoia was also there within the government at certain levels.
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You could feel it. You knew it was happening.
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I noticed the satellites' positioning. I said, now this is supposed to be a system that tracks radar anomalies on Earth, right?
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You know, the whole thing, the movement. Yep, that's what it does.
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He says, well, why on half of them pointed towards the outer space?
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Towards the moon, towards areas that are just blank space.
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Well, I don't know. There's a reply. He says, never thought about it.
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He says, well, at least half of those satellites you've got up there aren't looking at Earth.
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I said, what are they looking for?
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He says, well, you've got to have a need to know and know about that.
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I said, I see. In other words, who's coming?
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He says, we don't know.
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End of subject.
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Ever since I got involved with John Lennard Wilson, I always now look at the Big Dipper in a totally different way.
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I can't wait to have people all over the world seeing them.
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The great thing about the interstellar starships is we know where they are.
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One of the scientists said, it's the Star Wars project.
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OK, if that's the case, where were we when they put these things up there?
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When one thinks how much one large structure weighs, it's inconceivable how we got it into deep space.
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The machinery it would take to construct one of these things is no less conceivable.
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And the fact that they can expand and transform into different shapes in deep space is extraordinary.
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There are questions I have.
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If they are man-made, then we must have technologies that are way beyond our comprehension.
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What kind of energy systems are being applied here?
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This is one big puzzle that has yet to be solved or at the very least acknowledged.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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As John Leonard Watson follows them with his telescope, they are in perfect sync with the Earth's orbit.
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Posing as a star in Orion's belt, the Big Dipper, Vega, or an other planet in the sky,
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they are in perfect sync with the Earth's orbit.
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As John Leonard Watson follows them with his telescope, they are in perfect sync with the Earth's orbit.
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Posing as a star in Orion's belt, the Big Dipper, Vega, or an other constellations.
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This means that perhaps if one structure is 2.5 light years away,
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it may be orbiting around Earth at millions of miles per hour.
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With those kinds of velocities and with the capability of being able to effortlessly see change and transform,
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it takes an enormous amount of energy.
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What kind of alloys are they made of that allows them to transform and retract at these velocities in deep space?
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Anyway, go and see those yourself online. They're much crisper, but don't forget, he's pulling them in from a huge difference.
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The fundamental point I think about why I was so interested in that case is,
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even if you can look at those images and say, well, they could have been made up in some way,
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or he's a video genius, whatever it's used, you want to use for those,
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then the fact is that he filmed this afterwards, and this is his writing at the bottom.
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He was getting a bit paranoid at the time just after he put these out.
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He used a pseudonym, so that's his writing at the bottom.
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But essentially his house got buzzed by these military helicopters,
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and I think it counted about four different varieties of military helicopters.
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And when I mean buzzed, I mean literally to the rooftops by the British,
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and perhaps American base nearby, American military as well.
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So for him and for many others, that validates what he found the moment he put them online.
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Within a couple of days, he was getting harassed by helicopters,
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and you know he wasn't used to these things scraping his house, so I think he pretty much knew why they were there.
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You can see his house just there at the corner.
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He's in his back garden, which is where he's got his astro-videography shed,
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and you can see there that this huge great Chinook helicopter is literally scraping his rooftop.
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So this was all meant to put the frighteners on him, which worked to an extent, and he's gone a bit quiet.
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And the other validation that I mentioned is that when I got so into this case,
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I wrote to, I kept writing to people at NASA and tried to get them to comment on this,
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and eventually got some correspondence back with a guy that worked for JPL,
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and he said something really strange.
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His job there, his job for JPL was in video production, I think, or video,
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it was something to do with video analysis, so he's quite an interesting one to actually discuss this with.
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But he sent me back a couple of really short emails.
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He said, I've been still confused about this today, he said,
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these are human classified terrestrial spaceflight, that's what he said.
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After he sent that one, he then emailed me back and said,
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if you're going to publish that without my name, can you take the human out?
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So I'm unsure as to what he was saying there.
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I don't know whether he made a genuine mistake, and these platforms, these ships,
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these platforms up there are sort of remotely operated,
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or whether he cocked up a bit and mentioned the word human,
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and there are people inside them, I don't know, I don't know what to make of that.
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And then the other line, again, quite cryptic, Johnson Space Center need these things to get them where they need to go.
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Really, really quite strange.
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I mean, he may have been leading me a line, I don't know, but it was interesting to get some feedback from,
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and that was a bona fide, I've still got the email, that's a bona fide email address at NASA JPL as well.
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Another thing that links into this, which sort of backs up this whole thing,
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again, you're thinking that we're showing these sort of shuttle, since the Apollo missions,
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we're showing the shuttle going up with its usual sort of payloads,
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dropping off nice little satellites for the Department of Defense and whatever else they do.
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And in fact, if these structures are up there, the ones that we've just seen,
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the ones that were on the Billy Maher video before, then it's like, well, how on earth have they got launched?
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If you look what it takes to get to make it into orbit,
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the actual sort of the amount of fuel it takes and the power and the thrust it takes to get them out there,
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how have you got these vast platforms out into space?
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And one of the more interesting, if you've seen Project Camelot, who've done all the interviews online and stuff,
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one of the more interesting whistleblowers that sort of come forward is Dr. Pete Peterson,
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who's sort of worked in numerous black projects, actually a really interesting guy.
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And he was, I think he was involved with some sort of Russian stuff.
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Anyway, he was watching Russian TV to do with some launch they'd done.
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It was obviously to do with the Mir space station.
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And for whatever reason, I think it was the people on board gave away the weight of the Mir space station.
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That got his head ticking, and he went and worked out how many shuttle loads that would have taken, just to do an analogy.
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And it came out to 5,000 plus shuttle loads to get to the Mir station, or whichever the equivalent was for the Soviets.
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And of course, there hasn't been that many declared shuttle or the equivalent in Russia runs up into orbit,
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certainly to put that amount of stuff up there.
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So again, it's like looking at this stuff, looking at the fact that we've got these platforms in space,
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given what Gary McKinnon said, and given the fact that he's worked out that the weight was actually lead lining to prevent radiation.
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I mean, it had to be that thick for the Mir space station to protect them from radiation sickness.
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But the fact is that they didn't launch that amount of material up there.
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The other thing that's really interesting, I wrote a whole article on this for the Expo politics journal last month.
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And really, this is really sort of the whole night vision thing at the moment.
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And it's interesting on several levels, A, because you like to play with these new toys and stuff and see what's out there.
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But also it's interesting on the level of disclosure.
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And Expo politics fundamentally is about some sort of disclosure, whatever, whether that's some sort of political announcement, whatever it is.
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And the fact is that this cuts through the whole disclosure thing really quite rapidly.
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And it's interesting, I thought, how there's a degree of irony there.
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Because as you'll see when we go into this a little bit more, it's possible that if you believe Philip Corso,
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that the technology actually came from the Roswell crash, if you sort of believe him.
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Joseph Farrell seems to disagree, but this night vision technology possibly came from the Roswell crash.
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And then it's trickled down through the various corporations.
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And ultimately, I quite like this, it's ended up in sort of grassroots hands.
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And certainly since the collapse of the Soviets, the Iron Curtain,
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then what's happened is lots of this cheap military technology in all forms,
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but certainly also night vision has actually sort of flooded the Western markets and become quite cheap.
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So you can now get these sort of military-grade goggles.
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Generation 3 are the ones that actually do most of the, seem to have the best light.
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They sort of shift between urban lights and dark light settings.
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So it's Generation 3 that if you're interested, you want to go out and get.
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But I like the idea that this whole night vision thing sort of cuts through the grassroots level
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and allows people to sort of see these things.
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The other point is, again, if you just want to look at things on sort of a consciousness level,
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on a level of the human nervous system, then the fact is that Trevor James Constable did some work on this.
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Then there are obviously UFOs out there at different frequencies.
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And many of them it seems that we can't see because they're out there in some range of infrared or ultraviolet.
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And I said Trevor James Constable got the arse for spotting these strange creatures and UFOs back in the 50s.
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He was doing work with this.
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But again, by utilizing this technology, we get to see these different light spectrums.
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And I find that's quite a metaphor in some way, the idea that you can utilize this technology,
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see a different light spectrum, and you get something revealed to you.
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That's one of the pictures that these night vision stuff picks up.
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Again, you'll see soon that these, there's some strange stuff going on,
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the night vision glasses actually pick this up.
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One of the strange things is there seems to be this constant reference when you get the footage back from these to these triangular ships.
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I've not been able to tell on that one whether that several disks together that are actually making the triangle shape.
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They often seem to use this defense formation of this triangle or whether that is actually a triangular ship.
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But they have seen proper triangles.
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There's a bit more footage coming up in a minute.
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So that's a still from YouTube.
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Yeah, I've got a video to show off of this with Ed Grimsley, who's the guy that's done all the stuff with it.
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It's really quite interesting.
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Since the 1960s, he was using hunting rifles, which I don't think had night vision then,
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but certainly as the 70s came along, then hunting rifles began to have night vision.
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And that's how he stumbled across this.
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And so for years, he's been seeing these objects in space using this technology,
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including what he claims to be are battles between various UFOs.
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And, you know, the people are backing.
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It does not seem strange when I first heard that, but he claims that this is taking a break.
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Space battles are taking place above our heads.
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Even if we ignore that, the fact is that we can, you know, we're now getting to see these objects, strange objects.
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But you'll see in a minute, we get to see these.
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A documentary crew went out and managed to capture some of these as well.
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I'll just play the video and then we'll mention it after.
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All my life, I wondered who they were, what they were fighting about.
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And then about 1999, I found a pair of these.
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These are MP7 night visions.
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And by looking with these and focusing in, I was able to see the spacecraft,
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and they were flying quite often.
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They still fought with others.
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And I realized that there has been a war going on.
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And as to now, I know it's been going on for over 40 years.
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And none of them have came in and blown up Earth.
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They're fighting with each other.
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I don't know who's on whose side.
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I've never seen a little green man or a gray one.
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And I believe that they are human beings or alien-like human beings.
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That perhaps we are in a situation where we have a truce or a treaty,
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and we are getting protected in one sense and maybe working with in another.
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And there may be some trying to come in from another area that's trying to take us over.
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Ed has actually shown hundreds of people his way of using these and his way of seeing UFOs.
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People that were non-believers, skeptics of the phenomena,
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have actually gone out with Ed and done some sky-watching using his night vision goggles.
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And literally people have fallen to their knees because they're so blown away by what they have seen
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and what Ed's been able to show them.
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There's a laser scientist, Carl, if I can say his name right, Carl Hostman,
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that was five delta-shaped fighter craft that were probably around 80 to 100 miles up.
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And he got to see them, and they are extremely fast.
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And he got to view them flying, turning the corners, and basically changing directions.
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And as he dropped to his knees and said, thank God, I know they're real now.
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And Carl would be a witness to this.
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He's worked on Lawrence Livermore's labs of Star Wars and things like that.
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And he's no dummy. He knows what he saw was real.
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It was my opportunity three weeks ago now to have the UFOs over Monterey Bay.
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And the way you do this, the easiest way to do it is you can find someone with a good quality pair
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of third or fourth generation night vision equipment goggles.
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Ed and I were outside for about, I would say, less than ten minutes
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when we saw the first group of UFOs come over Monterey.
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There's a whole lot going on that we simply haven't had time to experience yet.
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It's the next experience.
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With simple night vision equipment, which wasn't available prior to 1970, 75,
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that you too can eye witness UFOs in the sky.
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You can see them in the sky.
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They're looking at plates or something far away.
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And they're looking at each other in groups.
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And they're everywhere.
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What I don't understand is why they don't want to let us know this.
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And it's really necessary because when they start coming here,
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people will be scared and it will be chaos.
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And it's better that they start recognizing this, that there is life on other planets.
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And I've seen how they're fighting among themselves, that they explode.
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And that, for me, is something that if they got here, I don't know what would happen.
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It makes it all worthwhile when you're out there getting cold and a sore neck,
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looking up and just thinking that more people could do this, they would understand.
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And my idea is that why is the government not telling us the truth?
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It seems like the truth is supposed to set you free.
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But I believe the truth is keeping us incarcerated to what they want and what they know.
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And why they're keeping it from us, I have no clue.
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But I don't think it's good for us.
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And I think we need to find out.
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Right, well, I'll try and rescue this, but just some comments on that.
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I mean, I find the whole thing intriguing.
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If anyone's got a set or has got the money for a set,
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because I think they're, even secondhand, they're like two and a half thousand pounds,
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three and about three and a half thousand pounds new.
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But I'd actually like to start doing some sort of sky watch with a,
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if we get a bunch of this technology together, do some sort of sky watch system,
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travel around the UK and go to various places and start using them.
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That's what they do in the States.
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I think Ed Grimes has been over here, but I didn't get a chance to actually go to the events that he came over to.
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So if anyone wants to do anything, get in touch with me and we'll kick something off.
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But I like that whole idea of, you know, it's like if you go back to sort of the priesthood with regards to early religion
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or say the printing press when that was sort of controlled.
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It's that idea that technology, as it comes about, has got a great sort of democratizing process about it.
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And I think, you know, that's again at the core of what sort of ex-apolitics with its sort of activist side is about.
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And the fact that these, you know, these night vision glasses, the technology comes down, moves to grassroots level,
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again, as we said, ironically, from big corporations or maybe from E.T.s themselves, if you believe that,
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gets into our hands and you begin to cut through this sort of layer of sort of the idea that the truth is being obscured from us
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and the fact that you can, you put on these goggles and you can see all this stuff going on,
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including something that I don't think many people expected.
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And that's the idea that there are ships above our heads that are actually shooting at each other.
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And you've got to sort of think, you've got to think about that.
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It's like, well, who is, who's part of that?
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Is that terrestrial, is that some factions of some terrestrial outfits that are fighting each other,
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or is that E.T. versus E.T. and it's over some sort of first directive of the planet,
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or is it some hazy, shady mixture of both human and E.T.?
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And the whole thing is quite frightening, but also quite fascinating in a sort of lurid way, really.
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Right, I'll try and get back to where we were and hope this doesn't do this again.
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So yeah, that's the YouTube shop.
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Go on to YouTube or just search Google and you'll see, basically, you'll see some far, again, crisper images of these sort of fleets.
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So yeah, I just mentioned that Ed Grimsey's going round.
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And I think, again, unlike Stephen Greer, who charges £4,000,
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Ed Grimsey will come across and will let you use his glasses and you'll be able to see these things firsthand.
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And you won't have to do your ambassadorial training first.
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So it's worth it if you can actually get a set of these glasses together, then.
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Form a group, you know, seriously form a group and get people seeing these things,
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because I think it could have a great sort of castellizing effect on us as far as this whole sort of disclosure thing goes.
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I like the way it loops outside the government.
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Yeah, I mentioned that direct experience impacts on groups.
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Footage online, that's what's interesting, is that again, people are then, you know, video cameras here.
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If you start filming through these night vision glasses and stuff, then you get the footage online.
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It's really quite amazing.
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If we can actually get to the stage, which there hasn't been so far, of getting these so-called battles,
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which I'm still sceptical about, I don't know what they're seeing.
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But as soon as I do and as soon as that gets online, then I think that's going to be quite, quite interesting.
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There's always little mini paradigm shifts that sort of happen in the world of the UFOs
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as we sort of progress and things seem to be happening quite fast now, certainly with this sort of night vision phenomena.
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So I'll just put that there again.
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Let's relate this back to what we started off with saying.
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Regarding Gary McKinnon case, we're building this mosaic of evidence regarding Gary's case about how real or authentic it is.
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Then the fact is, if he's found these items are fleet-to-fleet transfers and non-terrestrial officers,
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then does the additional evidence that we've just seen of these little ships going round that can be seen by night vision,
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does that add to what Gary saw?
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And is that starting to build a pattern of maybe what's going on both politically in the government
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with regards to the sort of whole disclosure thing and also basically above our heads on a sort of physical level as well.
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This is a documentary.
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This is the very end of a documentary.
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This is a British documentary.
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I hope this plays now, doesn't crash.
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Yeah.
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And same thing with your night vision.
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Between the two of us, we should be seeing something.
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Yeah, up there.
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Whereabouts?
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That's a bright one.
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See it?
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There's a little foot up there.
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Straight ahead.
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That was a laser pointer.
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Oh wow, yeah, yeah.
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Wow.
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Gets on that.
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Got him.
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Is that, is that, is that one?
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I got him, yeah.
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That is, we got him.
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Is that it?
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That's it.
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Hey guys, check it out.
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It's coming in from the south.
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Towards the mountain.
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Fucking hell, that's massive, isn't it?
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Where's it going?
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Going over towards the mountain.
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Oh look, look, look, another one.
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This one just powered up right underneath him and took off.
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See, you have this one and this one.
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He just took off right underneath it.
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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Got it, yeah.
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Did you guys see it power up?
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Yeah.
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Oh man, it was huge.
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It's like a UFO overdose.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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When you first hit, it's like a massive one.
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Yeah.
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I think we'll have some more.
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Oh look, the mountain, look at the mountain.
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We got a light, we got a light on the mountain.
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See it?
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Oh, here it goes.
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Wow, look at that.
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That is great.
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Look at that.
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Look at how bright that is.
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What is that?
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Look at that.
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Look at that.
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It's actually a doorway to the inner earth
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and the ships come in and out of it.
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And what's strange is we see things going in and out of the mountain all the time.
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But if you go up there, there's just a huge lava face there.
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There's nothing there.
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Whoa, whoa, whoa.
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What was that?
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Whoa.
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Did it do a line?
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No, it didn't do a line.
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It's just massive flash.
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That's the big flash that kind of like lined, huh?
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Yeah, look at that.
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It's getting there, it goes.
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I've seen about four or five.
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I can't believe it.
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Not too bad.
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The mountain, the action, the action from the sky.
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I don't know what to do with myself.
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That is a fucking UFO.
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Yeah, I mean, the reason that was interesting, because the usual way
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when documentaries cover this, they sent him out.
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It's like, yeah, common old geezer going after a UFO for the first time.
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And they actually went all around the UK.
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They went to all these different organizations trying to find it.
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And then right at the end of the document, literally on after about two weeks,
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they used, I just thought, again, I was putting this sort of talk together.
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And literally the very last night, they were about to just give up
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and they used the night vision glasses and they got a sighting for him
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and for the documentary.
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And I thought, well, that sort of says something again about use of this technology
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when before you had to go on a sky watch and be really lucky
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or you had to have your own personal contactee.
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And this time, with this technology, it seems to be an awful lot easier.
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It narrows down that thing.
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So more people are going to be having this experience.
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I've got to rush on.
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This whole idea is going back into history a little bit.
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This is a really famous wood carving that some of you have seen.
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But it's getting the idea that this is not a linear technological thing.
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It doesn't seem the idea that now all of a sudden there are fleets of UFOs
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in the sky that are doing battles because this is the wood carving
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from Germany in the 16th century.
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And apparently this went on for a couple of days.
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And again, they managed to record it, you know, this sort of wood carving,
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this artistic thing.
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But essentially, interesting, if you read the transcript
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of what actually happened when the people were given the accounts,
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same sort of things, you know, disks and tube-like things and triangles
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and all sorts of stuff having battles in the sky.
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So it was going on.
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It was going on then.
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So, you know, again, ask yourself what's happening.
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Again, you'll know about this.
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I'll skip this.
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But this is, of course, from the Vedic literature.
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You had all these.
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They're called Vimanas.
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David Hatcher Childress has done a whole book on this.
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Really interesting that you can find the actual sketches of the UFOs.
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So these go back to 450 BC and around about there.
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Apparently these sort of high-tech items were being seen.
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Trying to bring it back to a European or British thing,
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which I always try and do with this.
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There's so much stuff going concentrated in America,
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so I always try and pull it back over here a bit.
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Bob Dean and Stan Day both make an interesting point that there was,
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I had not heard of this before until a year or so ago,
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that in 1947, that sort of magical year when a lot of things happened
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with the National Security State and with, of course, Roswell,
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then also at the same time, there was an agreement set up,
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this structure was set up between the UK, the USA, Australia and Canada.
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And it seemed to be on a sort of technological front.
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That's what he was hinting at.
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And interesting, I thought perhaps that's involved,
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given the fact that we seem to have,
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there seems to be some sort of NATO thing going on
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with regards to these black triangles.
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We've mentioned the fact that triangles seem to be seen an awful lot
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in these night vision glasses.
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And the fact is that in the 90s,
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we had a range of sightings over Europe of these black triangles.
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One whistleblower came forward,
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he was actually, I think he's a member of the Rothschild family,
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but was deep black inside as an engineer,
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and essentially had worked on, came forward and discussed
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how these whole triangles were made.
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I think it's under the umbrella of the Aurora Project.
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This was one of them.
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This is the TR-3V, which Edgar Fouché Fouch put together.
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And this goes into how he powered it
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and what sort of skin it had on it and all sorts of stuff.
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But this is the Canachase footage about...
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There is very little clear recorded video or photographic evidence,
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apart of course from the Belgian incident in 1990.
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This footage is claimed to be a UFO triangle,
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but could it just be an aircraft?
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There is, however, something unusual about its flight path.
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We can see strong flashing lights and a triangular pattern.
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The original soundtrack is running,
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but there is no aircraft or helicopter sound.
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We can see the object moving behind trees from right to left.
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But watch.
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The object stops in mid-flight or turns very sharply
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and returns left to right.
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So what is it?
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So, interesting in the fact that it looks like
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we've got our own fleet of these triangles.
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And I was looking through UFO magazine recently
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and found a quote that I hadn't seen before about this.
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I'll read it out quickly.
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I think this is a British research.
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The craft is an equilateral-shaped triangle.
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Each edge from tip to tip is approximately 184 feet.
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The Firefly, this is part of the Aurora project,
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which is the TR3B, also part of.
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Someone might correct me, but this is what I understand.
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It's one of the current generation of super stealth aircraft,
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still part of the Black Budget Program,
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near-silent in operation and near-silent hover capabilities.
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The undersigned lighting configuration is so designed
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to give a conflicting eyewitness account of the lighting
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and indeed shape of the craft.
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The three large circular red lights in each point
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can converge to the centre and form one very large red light.
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This is interesting because people have given different descriptions
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of what's underneath these triangles.
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I'm informed that there are two of these craft in Europe
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in the current operation.
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One is based at Boscombe Down, England,
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and shares flight operations with that place in Scotland.
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The other craft is based in Germany.
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I'll then mention again that this is some sort of NATO thing,
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manned by two NATO personnel with all NATO countries supplying flight crew.
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So again, based on what we've seen, based on the kind of things,
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then this is sort of an admission.
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Especially if you look at the testimony that Edgar Fouché gave
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regarding the fact that he worked on these triangles
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and the fact that we've seen these triangles over Belgium and over the UK,
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then again, is it really that hard to believe that these things
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go out into the solar system or certainly into Earth's orbit.
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The other quick point, just making the fact that the US are quite blatant
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in a way about the fact that there's this sort of shady boundary
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between what's declared to the public and what isn't,
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what sort of black budget and what's part of the declared space programme.
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These are the little jokes they like to have with their patches,
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all quite interesting I thought.
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The one behind at the bottom I think is the Roswell one,
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so that's the bomber wing, bomber command or something,
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and they've got their own little ET face on them.
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There's a guide to the whole book of patches like this,
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but I think it's quite interesting.
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I don't know if I've got time to play this video,
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but this is Milton Torres down here,
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and he actually was ordered to shoot down. Let's give it a go.
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Well, apparently, this is one of the better flying airplanes.
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Milton Torres is not the kind of guy to tell a tall tale.
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Twenty years in the Air Force, an engineer with a PhD, a professor.
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He's all about brass tacks and left brain thinking.
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So I was all ears when he started talking about his UFO encounter
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over England in May of 1957.
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I got scrambled one night, and my first orders are,
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you will be ordered to fire on this mission.
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In just a few minutes, he was over the North Sea in a fighter like this
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at 31,000 feet, traveling nearly the speed of sound.
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In the dark and in the clouds, Milton saw the strongest signal
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he had ever seen on his radar screen.
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Bigger than s***, the target was there,
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and the target looked like an aircraft carrier.
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It was that big on my screen.
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He flew toward it to try and shoot it down,
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and it takes off like you're just standing still.
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I wasn't even there. I wasn't even there. Just gone.
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Milton has no earthly explanation for what he saw.
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Could it have been a problem with the radar?
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Could it have been a weather phenomenon?
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Could it have been a meteor? Any of those things?
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Everything was explained to me already.
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I knew what it was. It was some design of an aircraft by some space alien.
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Milton Torres says a U.S. intelligence agent ordered him to keep his mouth shut.
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The odd encounter is one of hundreds of once-classified UFO sightings
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released last month by the British government.
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It's the sort of disclosure UFO investigators are demanding from the U.S. government.
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It's interesting. It's almost like they were ready to give that command
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to sort of shoot the plane down.
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So in 1952, what was actually...
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Sorry, in the time when he was doing that, it wasn't 1952.
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It's interesting that the British, were they under control of the Americans then
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to be able to give that sort of shoot-down order.
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It's almost like they knew something different by that time.
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The 52 quote, the 52 thing I just mentioned is interesting
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because the guy's written a book in the States about the era in 1952
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with just how many shoot-downs there were and how many military pilots were actually lost.
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The book's actually called Shoot Them Down.
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And if you want a really interesting, quite shocking read
01:13:00.000 --> 01:13:03.000
about just how many losses of aircraft there was that were, again,
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ordered to sort of go and take on these craft, then go and get his book.
01:13:08.000 --> 01:13:11.000
But that's just basically making the point that this is, you know, this historical thing
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that the relationship with the sort of UFO, when it turns up, has changed,
01:13:15.000 --> 01:13:19.000
the fact that the shoot-down order's going on back in the 50s and 60s.
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The one other thing is the...
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There's some amazing footage that came out
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which sort of builds in with the John Lennon-Walsh stuff that you've just seen
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and with Gary's thing.
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This...
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Right, this is... I'll click on this one.
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This is actually the STS-48, and many of you will have seen that.
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This is basically footage that came...
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Martin Stubbs, I think, got this from the shuttle.
01:13:50.000 --> 01:13:52.000
He basically recorded the output of the shuttle.
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And STS-48 was the really famous shot where the guy was actually shot
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or some sort of object was fired up at this object that was going in space.
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Several of the moves... I thought this was...
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The reason I thought this was interesting...
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This, please.
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This is from a different view. I'll play this one first.
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In the time-lapse he uses, you actually see that far more than one object
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actually moves when the missile is fired.
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This is actually a very interesting shot.
01:14:21.000 --> 01:14:23.000
This is actually a very interesting shot.
01:14:23.000 --> 01:14:28.000
You actually see that far more than one object actually moves when the missile's fired.
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You'll see a flash in a minute.
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And the missile shoots up. These are all objects there.
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A lot of you will have seen this.
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I thought it was interesting, given that there was this response by five items.
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This guy's done the analysis on the previous video.
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He's done the analysis and found out that actually five items move and not one.
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So from this terrestrially fired beam weapon or whatever it is,
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then we get these five objects moving.
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It struck me, well, that's sort of interesting.
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I've got some great detection device to watch out for these missiles that are sort of fired up,
01:14:57.000 --> 01:14:59.000
or they were sort of used to it.
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Whoever's up there is used to the fact that these beam weapons are actually fired up at them,
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which gives a sort of indication of what's these strange relationships that are going on
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between what's happening on the planet and the sort of fleets that are around and flying in orbit.
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That footage, the missile footage, was analyzed by a guy called Jack Kasher,
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who found out that it wasn't actually, they weren't ice crystals,
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which NASA actually claimed they were at the moment.
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I made the Richard Hovland and Mike Bauer.
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I've also done a whole book, they've done their book on NASA,
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and claimed that, part of the way through that,
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they claimed that these objects that you can see in the STS footage,
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they think they are terrestrial ships.
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So I just made a point there that that would, to me, seem to be impossible.
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In that case, we've got craft that are sort of two miles long.
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And then, given the fact that you see the footage of,
01:15:53.000 --> 01:15:57.000
if you've seen the tether footage where there's experiments where the tether,
01:15:57.000 --> 01:16:00.000
which they're using for an electromagnetic experiment, breaks off,
01:16:00.000 --> 01:16:04.000
and you get this whole cluster of UFOs that actually go and examine this.
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I think I've got footage, I've got some footage of it here.
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This was the tether that broke off.
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Again, this is part of the footage that Martin Stubbs got.
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The tether item here was released from the Space Shuttle.
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And you can see, this is actually 12 miles long,
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and a vast amount of UFOs came in to sort of examine it.
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And you tend to think, if these were terrestrial,
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then they wouldn't be that interesting in what was going on here.
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So my take isn't that these are terrestrial things.
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I mentioned points about back engineering here.
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We've discussed the fact that there's some sort of transition of technology that's going on.
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Obviously, if we've created this space fleet,
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then there's been methods of how this technology has been created.
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So we've got admitted sort of back engineering from Bob Lazar.
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He's done the whole testimony from Area 51 and stuff.
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Also, you'll often find that there's testimony from inventors
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that they have sort of strange dreams and things,
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often going to trans states.
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This certainly happened with Nikola Tesla,
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who got all the ideas for his inventions came in a sort of dream state.
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This also happened to some of the Nazi engineers.
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Also said they had this sort of happen,
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that there's some sort of influence on their dreams and trans states.
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Also, we've mentioned about the direct exchange,
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and that's a slightly more contentious issue
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about whether we've actually done some sort of liaison with ET races
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and whether some sort of exchange of technology going on.
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There are several sort of contact cases that sort of allude to that
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and a few whistleblower cases.
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We've mentioned the one there with Charles Hall,
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who claims that on Nellis Air Force Base,
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there's a certain amount going on.
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Obviously, the other point about this is that if we've got a space fleet,
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some of this has to be funded in some way.
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Even if a fraction of what we've seen is of these platforms
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that we've just seen and some of the ships are out there,
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it's very difficult to see how they're funded from normal sort of terrestrial taxes
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and the usual methods.
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Michael Saller, Richard's done a lot of work as well on the black budget.
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Michael Saller and stuff as well.
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Katherine Austin-Fitz, who also has quite an interest in the sort of UFO field,
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has looked at the methods of funding.
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If we've got this space fleet, how has it been funded,
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given that it's not a declared process?
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We get a little hint just before 9-11,
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and this has been quoted frequently,
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where Donald Runsfeld claimed that they'd lost 2.3 trillion.
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You start wondering where amounts like that are going.
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There's only so many mansions you can buy with stuff like that.
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Is it being filtered off to get this sort of space fleet going
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for some reason that we don't know about?
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Also the links, of course, to drug trafficking
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and the savings and loan scam in the USA.
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All these things are methods of pulling money out and laundering money
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and perhaps redirecting it into building these.
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The underground bases is one, but maybe also,
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as well as trying to hide in the planets,
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there seems to be a sector also trying to get off the planets,
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and maybe that's the purpose of this space fleet.
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Maybe one of the purposes of why it's hidden is because it's for use by mostly a few
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and not for us, and it wouldn't work.
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There isn't enough to make it use for everyone,
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so the reason it's kept quiet is for selfish reasons.
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Interesting quotes from Katherine Ostrom-Fitz,
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who talks then about the way the alien issue has actually moved,
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is actually part of, she mentions that,
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in part of this reason, as well as accumulated investment over the last 50 years,
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the technology we have access to through Black Budget
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is far more advanced than is commonly thought,
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and she mentions there the link for selling drugs and stuff.
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All quite interesting. She's done a lot of work on that.
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But again, also a believer, I think, that some of this funding
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is going towards the ET and the alien issue.
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Summing up then, because I'm finishing for time here,
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so I'm going to have to skip through these last few slides.
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I've talked about this at the start.
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We're trying to look at the whole ET issue and the UFO issue in a slightly different way
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and trying to process evidence in a different way.
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As we said at the start, it's trying to build this sort of mosaic of points
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to then build a different picture,
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and trying to look at what Gary found in a way
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and perhaps filter it a little bit differently
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by looking at these other parts around it.
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And so we're saying that, that ultimately, I thought it was quite interesting
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that when you, as part of doing this talk and examining this whole area,
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it's sort of difficult to say, well, you know,
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it's difficult to now say what's alien and what's human.
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So regardless of the black triangles, for example, that we found,
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that we've discussed, it's like the idea is that perhaps those are totally terrestrial.
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And you find a lot of people are saying, well, this is a purely terrestrial sort of invention
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and created by genius humans and stuff, all this, the new technologies there.
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And that may well be, this is taking nothing away from sort of the human race and inventors,
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but it does seem that when you start including things like crashed UFOs,
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the fact that direct liaison with ET's may have taken place,
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and the whole idea that there may be influence by ET's to inventors
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via dreams and stuff, that that influences the creation of some of these devices.
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For example, there's one that's important, so I'll mention it briefly.
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There's a contactee, a very validated contactee from the USA called Rob Renaud,
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who basically, the ET's, they actually helped him put certain TV and transistor sets
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and radio sets back in the 60s together so he could communicate with them on board their ships.
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And they ended up getting quite an interest in sort of terrestrial,
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the way that we've put technology together.
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And he had many discussions, written three books on this,
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together with a journalist from the States in California.
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And they basically told him that one of the biggest roles of the sort of extraterrestrial presence
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is to get around this whole idea that they sort of directly influence us,
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that actually they do many things with remote influencing and dreams
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to certain people where they've encouraged everything.
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And they included things like the first aeroplane claims that that sort of thing was invented,
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and television, radio.
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So all that sort of stuff, they claimed that in certain ways,
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and to a varying extent, they actually try and influence the way in which we create these inventions,
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and these quite paradigm-changing inventions.
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Which again, backs up my point, it's quite difficult to now say,
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well, by this stage, where we are now, what is actually human and what is actually an alien thing?
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So with regard to the black triangles, then if they've been influenced by previous inventions
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that have then been influenced by ETs, then it's hard to say that these are purely terrestrial.
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So it's trying to map a different way of approaching this area now.
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Instead of looking at terrestrial technology and so-called alien hardware,
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it's trying to perhaps merge those two things together,
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because I think that's where we're ultimately going to go.
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We sort of need a new way of mapping this area, and perhaps a new set of concepts.
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Final points, we've mentioned about Gary McKinnon, I mentioned at the start,
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about how this could be this final sort of amoeba point or 2012 point, this sort of struggle.
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It's now reached White House level, having grown from when Gary first got arrested in 2002.
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For me, it's interesting that this final sort of struggle is playing off between the two powers.
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The whole idea of disclosure, the idea that we've got corporations and governments
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trying to keep a tight grip on this, trying to keep it in the dark,
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and yet at the same time you've got various citizens doing their very best
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to try and research this area and trying to shine a light.
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We believe we've got a right to this technology,
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and we've got a right to know about the issues that were being visited by intelligent beings.
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It's also making the point, even more basic than that,
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that if what Gary found regards the fleet-to-fleet transfers and the non-terrestrial officers,
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the fact that we've got a space fleet buzzing round above our heads like we've seen from the evidence tonight,
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again, another important issue about whether we've got the right to know about that
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and perhaps why it's being covered up to the extent that it is.
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I think that's round about it for me.
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I ended up saying that, and I thought that.
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Ultimately, when you look at all this evidence altogether, it's just strange.
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You really do think how on earth they managed to keep this,
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most people from not knowing what's actually going on.
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Given some of the stuff we've seen tonight, even if you count that 25% of that's true,
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and it's actually taking place, then it's still weird the way it just leaks into consensus reality,
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but it doesn't overturn it, but it may well do that one day.
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Sorry about the quick rush at the end, but that's me done.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.