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I occasionally think how quickly our differences worldwide
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would vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside this world.
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And yet I ask you, is not an alien force already among us?
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Looks like you got an object right in front of you Mark. Can you look out there?
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Discovery, we're sending you an orbital state vector.
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It's a sparkling bed of diamonds out there. Is that a real picture or are we just getting some video fuzz?
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I don't know what it is. That one is really impressive.
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There are on the other side of the corn at least five proofs that the objects were not ice particles
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therefore spacecraft and they were either extraterrestrial or terrestrial obviously.
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We have an unidentified flying object.
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For over 2 000 years humankind has speculated that it is not alone in the universe.
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But it wasn't until September 1959 that American astronomers first put forward a practical,
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technically feasible proposition to search the cosmos for life forms other than ourselves.
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Less than a year after that the idea was translated into practice.
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Since then SETI, the search for extraterrestrial intelligence, has fired the imagination of
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millions around the world. However the practicalities of SETI make the proverbial search for the
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needle in the haystack pale into insignificance. In fact it's been calculated the quest is more
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akin to delving for a two-inch bodkin in a haystack 35 times the size of earth. All sky surveys up to
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a distance of 70 million light years made at Harvard, Buenos Aires and Ohio since the 1970s
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have failed to detect any evidence of omnidirectional transmissions.
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After years of analyzing hundreds of billions of signals fewer than 100 have given the appearance
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of artificiality and none of these could be relocated in repeated surveys. The world of
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astronomy then remains divided between the true believers who think they will find evidence of
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extraterrestrial life in our or other galaxies and skeptics who regard that and the work of SETI in
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particular as either a diversion from more important things or a gigantic waste of time
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resources and money. It's a curious fact that NASA is forbidden by Congress to seek communications
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or signals from the very intelligent life harbouring planet SETI hopes to find. NASA is
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forbidden therefore to spend its time resources and money on seeking out contact with extraterrestrial
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intelligence but what if that extraterrestrial intelligence were to establish contact with NASA
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directly or indirectly what then and where does NASA and its US Congress stand when it comes to
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UFOs could a small proportion of the residual evidence gleaned from millions of worldwide
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UFO observations and case histories point to an extraterrestrial presence already in our midst
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should claims and statements made by credible professionals and observers be ignored
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should intensive and documented interest shown in the UFO phenomena by every strand of the military
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and intelligence community be simply tossed aside should countless photographs and film footage
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taken of the phenomenon over the years be looked upon as worthless should radar tapes which have
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recorded the phenomenon on 400 occasions be deemed as flawed should Congress then pay lip
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service to NASA the scientific community at large and its military and intelligence chiefs
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or is it time that politicians began to address the most important issue of our time is man as
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some would have us believe a unique species to this universe one that evolved over the eons to
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finally stand upright and walk this planet one that was able in the course of less than a century
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to progress from horse-driven carriages to putting a man on the moon how was this staggering
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technological progress achieved over such a short period of time is it pure coincidence then that
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midway through this period reports of flying saucers began to emerge from around our world
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at the precise moment when man was signaling his intentions to step forth from his earthbound
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environment the phenomenon we now term UFOs signal back throughout the documented history
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of those early pioneering man missions into space one can find numerous references made by both
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astronauts and cosmonauts to witnessing and sometimes describing curious anomalous objects
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seen while in orbit around the earth John Glenn likened these to fireflies and for a time NASA
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actually believed they had stumbled across living critters according to one of its retired
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astronauts scott carpenter the years went by and with each passing decade there appeared no let
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up and reports of ufo activity but in the late 1980s those reports took on far greater significance
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with the arrival of the camcorder in the space of a few short years what was once regarded as an
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extremely rare event to capture a ufo on film has now become commonplace and while a sizable
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proportion of that video footage leaves most unimpressed like the phenomena itself a small
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residue of what remains can be termed impressive in July 1991 millions of people throughout Mexico
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stared skywards to observe a solar eclipse that day several ufos appeared in those same skies
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skeptics would later conclude that these were nothing more than planets or stars but the video
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evidence recorded independently at several different locations suggested otherwise
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much has been said written and claimed as to why more ufos have emerged from Mexico than any other
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nation on the planet during the 1990s indeed there are those who would argue that most if not all of
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the 5000 plus hours of amateur camcorder footage taken of ufos in the skies above
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Mexico this past decade alone is nothing to write home about that the bulk of the footage can easily
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be explained that some has been deliberately manufactured while the rest has captured nothing
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more than passing aircraft balloons meteors or falling space debris dependent on your point of
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view the objects depicted in these sequences are either balloons or ufos interestingly during
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filming the camera operators and those closest by never refer to these objects as balloons
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others liken them to spheres a term first used alongside foo fighters when describing
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anomalous objects seen by allied pilots operating in the pacific theater of world war ii
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outside of Mexico there have been other recorded instances where spheres have been seen and
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captured on film here are two recent examples these spheres appeared over sterling scotland
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during the summer of 1998 local resident brian mcfee borrowed a camcorder from his cousin after
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being puzzled by the repeated appearances of these objects high overhead some were seen to hover close
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to and then descend into or through the clouds elsewhere some were seen to emerge from the clouds
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before darting away at incredible speeds and take this as another example filmed in broad daylight
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over central london in july 1999 christopher martin was on hand to record the moment when this sphere
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appeared amidst one of the world's busiest air corridors was this a balloon
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or something else but the term sphere is not just used to describe anomalous objects seen from the
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ground curiously enough just two months after the mexico eclipse similar sphere-like objects were
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recorded by the crew of the discovery space shuttle anomalous objects seen on the sts 48 mission
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footage taken on the 15th of september 1991 have been explained away by nasa as non-sphere objects
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and what of this counter explanation to nasa's ice crystal theory by dr jack casher of nebraska
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state university at least five proofs that the objects were not ice particles therefore
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spacecraft and they were either extraterrestrial or terrestrial objects and they were not
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known to have been discovered by the crew of the NASA mission and what of this counter explanation
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were not ice particles therefore spacecraft and they were either extraterrestrial or terrestrial
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obviously that's the dichotomy that while many still remain unconvinced that the sts 48 footage
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captured intelligently controlled spacecraft in mid-flight it was the catalyst that would persuade
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both ufo researchers and amateur astronomers alike to pay much closer attention to space shuttle
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missions in the future and as you will learn later what showed up on the sts 48 footage
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would prove to have a profound effect on this individual one that would eventually lead him
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to an extraordinary discovery
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during 1996 there were two notable events in august of that year nasa announced that it had
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an earth fossilized evidence contained in a martian meteorite and discovered 12 years earlier in the
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frozen wastes of antarctica which would appear to suggest that life albeit billions of years old
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once existed on the red planet the declaration which has yet to be embraced by the scientific
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community at large created headlines around the world and more or less ensured that nasa would
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have no difficulty in raising the necessary funds to embark on an ambitious unmanned series of
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mission probes to mars in the future three months later on the first of december 1996
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space shuttle astronauts on board sts 80 filmed something remarkable scores of anomalous objects
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could be seen skirting earth's upper atmosphere below but then from beneath a high bank of cloud
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emerged a large sphere almost plasma-like in appearance and as the sequence rolls note how
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the camera on board the space shuttle zooms in on a cluster of anomalous objects which appear
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to congregate on the earth's horizon interestingly during that same mission
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astronauts would point their cameras towards brazil more specifically sao paulo were they
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expecting something whatever suddenly street interview would appear to suggest they were
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but what was it a short time would pass before anomalous activity was filmed again only this
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time in close proximity to the mere space station the sts 84 docking and undocking mission with mere
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provided breathtaking images it also provided further puzzles thanks to an amateur astronomer
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known as willy some of the footage transmitted by sts 84 was disseminated around the world
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hardly surprising since it contains several remarkable scenes determining which one has
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most appeal or greater mystery is debatable but why does this particular sphere suddenly come to
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a direct stop hover momentarily then move up and behind the mere space station to emerge on the
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other side and was this appearance of dozens of anomalous objects caused by the flushing of a
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toilet on board the space shuttle or something else assuming then that this is mere space debris
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would it not be considered dangerous to those on board both the space shuttle and mere space station
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to answer that question would require detailed analysis of pristine sts 84 footage but nasa
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refuses to release any of it and the question is surely why
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signals from space can and do take on many forms and while some dishes scattered around the world
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listen for faint traces of extraterrestrial intelligence from afar others are designed
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to receive signals transmitted from much closer to home during the 1990s millions of miniature
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sized dishes sprang up across britain as satellite technology came of age both here and in countries
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abroad many individuals chose to erect more powerful dishes to locate and access a wide
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variety of transmissions beam back to earth from scores of overhead satellites in theory
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the more powerful the receiver the more choice it would offer and as we've already seen some of
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those individuals chose to utilize their satellite dishes to monitor and record transmissions beam
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down to earth from the space shuttle but what if one of those individuals had the means to utilize
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an even greater array of satellite receiving dishes to record and subsequently log every
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second of nasa transmissions from not one solitary space shuttle mission but from several
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covering a period of almost five years what then that incredible scenario first came to light late
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one evening in the summer of 1999 when graham burtsall editor of ufo magazine in britain took
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a call on his mobile phone the caller was martin stubbs a cable tv station manager from vancouver
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in canada for the next 45 minutes graham listened intently as martin proceeded to recount an
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extraordinary story in which he claimed to have accessed nasa's downlink transmissions originating
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from numerous space shuttle missions that stretched back over a period of several years
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and amidst all of this carefully logged footage footage that amounted to over two and a half
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thousand hours martin further claimed to have stumbled across something equally extraordinary
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palpable evidence for the reality of not one but two extraterrestrial life forms
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in order to fully verify these and other equally amazing claims russell callahan was dispatched
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to vancouver last august to meet up with martin in person joining him would be brian borshoff
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project director of the phenomena exhibition who flew in especially from australia
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after spending an entire week in the company of martin engaged in for the most part viewing
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countless hours of nasa footage the staggering implications of what he'd uncovered soon became
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apparent for although martin had come across countless further examples of mysterious
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sphere-like activity his trained eye as an experienced tv editor had picked out something
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else something that he would find compelling something that others would later find amazing
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at the conclusion of their visit to vancouver a tri-party agreement was reached one that would
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ensure worldwide public disclosure through methods and means that would soon become apparent in the
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weeks and months to follow but why on the strength of one phone call did russell callahan and brian
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borshoff travel thousands of miles to touch base with martin stubs in the first place
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call it intuition call it good luck call it what you will but on hearing martin relate his
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extraordinary story he sent out a signal far more powerful than that generated by any satellite
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and what better means to demonstrate the point than by having martin recount that story in his own words
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hi i'm martin stubs and i'm a resident of bowen island canada bowen island is a small island of
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about 3 000 people just off the coast of british columbia the city we directly commute to on a
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little ferry 20 minute ride is the great city of vancouver and it's here that i was able to
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discover through nasa's own video downlinked from the shuttle two types of phenomena that
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from my estimation should not be there the first phenomena
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is a spherical phenomena it's the best i can do in terms of explaining it
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and the second phenomena is a phenomena that is virtually invisible to the human eye
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but when filmed with the ccd camera and the broke you break the video into frames and there's 30
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frames per second then you split the frames into fields because each frame contains two scan
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fields and it is in those fields we have discovered our second space phenomena
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it's not a matter of finding something that is a reasonable doubt scenario it's more about
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let's just keep collecting studying and analyzing and eventually the jigsaw puzzle will come
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together and it's finally happened i held a very privileged position in the city of vancouver i was
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in charge of for the past 20 years actually community access cable stations and those are
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public stations that use volunteers interns make all their own programming and put it out on the
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cable system here in british columbia and throughout the rest of canada we have 90
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cable saturation so it's the equivalent of having a full channel and in my office i had
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old log tapes from logging the station available and they were supposed to be turned over after a
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few times so i just piled them up and i had vcrs i had the means and i i talked to our technical
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department and asked them if they could give me my own dish and they did and i set my machines and
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went about my normal daily life of managing two of these facilities and i just would go home at
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night after each shuttle's mission or each each day of the shuttle mission and break the tape down
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and i just found myself in the unique position of having the means to do it
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i was in a position to do it and i had all the motivation the second the shuttle
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countdown began i recorded and i stopped recording when it was at a full stop
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right so it was a pretty demanding exercise well the sds 61 which was the hubble space telescope
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mission was 36 i think we call 36 tapes with eight hours per tape so these are you know you
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just had to keep going some flights are five days some are 11 days 14 the hubble space telescope
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mission i chose that mission not because i knew about a ccd camera or anything i chose it because
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nasa had decided to make this the showcase mission it is a very important mission the hubble space
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telescope is the very most delicate and important thing and these gentlemen were going to spacewalk
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for seven days and fix it so it was even interesting for me to just watch them work in this environment
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and from the very first moment the first download came i found our spherical phenomena did you
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did you set out to try and find the phenomena or did it start off as a sort of self-education
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exercise in in watching the mission footage it was everything it was a self-education thing
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it was a curiosity that of why no one from 1990 from the year 1991 till 1994 had bothered to look
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at any other footage and i was quite naive and wasn't aware it was all being downloaded because
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i bought into the popular culture or the urban myth that they were scrambling at it and it wasn't
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available since 48
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i've been an editor for 25 years as well as everything else and i can
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i spend an awful lot of my day looking at videotape and at amazingly fast speeds reviewing
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people's programs for critique reasons and things my eyes are trained and i kept seeing something
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so when i started breaking the frames down i found you still couldn't find it you'd go from
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this frame to this frame and there'd be a quick movement so then i i had to get a videotape
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recorder an svh machine an older model funny enough not the digital model that literally
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when you roll the thing it would break the frames into into fields and in reality there are 60
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individual pictures that make up one second of video and that's when i found them so you
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were finding these on one of those 60 frames is one of the i found in fact the first one i found
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i only found one right and then i thought well i should be able to if this is real i should be
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able to do it again and then i found two and it just went from there what should we really
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be seeing how did you know that we were looking at something that was that that shouldn't be there
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that was unusual i mean well the first thing is that in my career usually in one second
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of video no movement happens you can you can look at 60 frames and you know the way the movement
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goes not very much happens it's not like those flip things where the little thing moves when
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you flip the pages literally in 60 of those nothing happens something was happening literally
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between one thirtieth of a second and one thirtieth of a second because there's 30 frames per
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second so it was just sort of a let's look at this and and it when i found it was in a scan
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field and then it the way it works is it scans and scans very fast but the phenomena seemed to
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have disappeared by the second scan so it was moving very fast very fast so having being a
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manager and being in charge of a television station part of my staff is a technical staff
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so i started consulting our technicians on
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to to destroy my my discovery i wanted them to to to tell me that they you wanted to critique
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it as heavily as you wanted them to tell me this this this somebody could fake this you can't
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then i took the sample to make a long story short i eventually made it up to the scientific
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community and to a think tank and a behavioral lab and physicists and astrophysicists and
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they kind of you know just uh you know they just humored me at the start by the end of our meetings
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they had their hands on the control they were running up to the screen and they were holding
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meetings they broke the entire pixel pixelization process down and found it was still there it it
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so they really didn't expect to see anything in the beginning but by the time you finished
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they were excited i think they expected probably that we'd have more of a real time phenomena which
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which which which is still spectacular and probably i guess that they felt they might be able to
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explain to you as something perfectly uh legitimate or normal for well you never know who's in the
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skeptic society of british columbia for instance the x-files actor william davis who is the cigarette
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smoking man in the x-files um is a member of the skeptic society so i never knew with these
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scientists what where they were all what they were trying to do to me sure but the amazing thing
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about this other phenomena the one you that's virtually i i would say it's invisible although
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it isn't once you see it you begin to see it all the time is it blew their minds it blew their minds
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did they offer any explanation for what they thought it might be or are they as as there's a
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professor at simon frazer professor weinberg who who literally said it had to be what it
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it had to be actually there doing exactly what it was but he could not he said we would have to
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bring we would have to go right to nasa and eventually uh we had a lecture at the planetarium
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here in vancouver by one of the hubble poobas the chief chief hubble designers engineers i that must
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have been a great opportunity it was a great opportunity and what was interesting is when we
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showed him the spherical shapes on video clips on video stills he was comfortable which meant
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you know he you know he could throw the ice crystal theory or because it was a very small
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sample at that point it was only the at the first time i'd ever done it at that point he confirmed
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that what you were showing him were ice crystals or no he just thought that that was basically
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um he accepted that it was a phenomena of some sort he he just well they're comfortable at nasa
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because james oberg who's the nasa debunker in my estimation had basically briefed them all that
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don't worry about all this stuff you see because uh that's just that's just all kinds of stuff you
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don't understand about ice crystals um so they they he didn't have any you know it was the hubble
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fellow at the planetarium in after the lecture with the head of the planetarium um he he sat
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they're comfortable but when the still frames of the this second second phenomena were were
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shown to him he stormed out of the room did he say anything did he give any reason he made some
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hoffs and puffs and stormed out of the room now we found i mean that's very unusual kind of
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reversal and we obtained we meaning my uh uh uh an artist friend and i who's um got more guts than
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me i guess in terms of walking through front doors we're not supposed to he picked up the phone
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after he got the number and phoned this fella and he got hello and what and the second he said who
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he was there was back talk things like it's that guy and the phone went down in other words we
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communication was cut off not a very good public relations exercise for the no but we found it all
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that you know these are okay and these aren't so anyway that's how it started so he professor
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weinberg who's a wonderful man um said to me something he's never said to anybody before he
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actually sat down sort of rolled his hands through his head and whatever hair he had and said uh
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you know i believe there are things out there and it's just a matter of an etc etc well my
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my friend my partner could not believe he knows this gentleman has worked through the canadian
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space agency with him this professor weinberg studies the uh effects of space travel on the
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brain right and shapes and whether they you know why they're why they come home depressed
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elizabeth bond are our famous first woman in space um it had it isn't generally known in canada
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but she was depressed massive depression for the first two weeks after she landed
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and so they really had to to study what what's going on and they found that that this that they
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were missing shape that there was the familiar shapes that we see every day not in the space
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program and that's what these people were doing working with the canadian space agency
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to suggest putting shapes in parts of the shuttle or redesigning things to familiarity
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for your subconscious right it says they have they talked oracle whales up there and they
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photographed the brain and and put pictures in front of you and then colors flash and they
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photograph it it's the only place at the university you can get a parking spot because no one knows
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there i didn't i didn't know and i went there so um and he told me things he said get another
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flight duplicate the phenomena that you've got duplicate what you did try to get the two
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different colors try to get multiple multiple ones in a shot because the sds61 i was quite naive
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especially this this up this second thing and so i i remembered that and i recorded the next
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shuttle and and i knew what i was looking for and i found it you you mentioned something to me
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earlier about the lighting conditions and and the fact that you felt i was self-illuminating
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well i needed um yes at first i i actually thought you know the you i was my own worst skeptic i've
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learned that in television and you know you don't present anything unless you're totally
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researched and sure but i began to discover that that these were appearing in uh dark dark when
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the camera are you know when the sun went down when the sun came up when there was refraction
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when there wasn't refraction i found them under every lighting condition and my only conclusion
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from looking at the video and and continually looking at it is obviously there there's a
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self-illuminating did did they change at all under those those different lighting conditions
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when when apertures change or the the sun goes down or the crafts in a different position do they
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do they appear to be any different no in fact they appear to be different just from every time
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you capture them sometimes you capture them when they seem to have slowed down and you see more of
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a of a craft structure when they're moving very quickly you'll see this long streak
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but the interesting thing is um after i you know just use after a thousand of them and i photographed
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still photographed them you lay them side by side and you start to see common things
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you start to see markings you start to see kind of um shape you know it's not so you've almost
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been able to to classify them in a way they're actually i've been calling them the second
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phenomena but the way i see this is everything to date that has been shot by humans from from
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here from the ground i call one that's one the space phenomena the spheres outer space
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that's shot from nasa's cameras is two and i thought it would stop at two but this phenomena
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i call number three there are two space phenomena and this third phenomena um i don't blame people
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for not discovering it or anything i i don't think anybody has tried not to discover it well it
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sounds to me like you had to go through a lot of work i just wonder how many how many people of my
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technical television background have tried this and i don't think a lot of scientists have i just
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know that professor weinberg was absolutely knocked out of his he just couldn't believe it
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and as i built the sample up i didn't believe it more i couldn't believe i mean it it's reached
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the point but i don't want to want to want to take anything away from the the spherical phenomena
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the second phenomena to me is is absolutely unimpeachable in a preponderance sense you know
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i was quite satisfied with finding two what phenomena to the first space show and i still am
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but
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this third phenomena is is is so against all of what we expect it to be
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that it's intrigued me much more it's not no archetype no martin going back a little way
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you you mentioned being your own worst critic if you like or or debunker have you endeavored to
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or debunker have you endeavored to find video footage or or feed from other sources to compare
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with yours oh good one thank you yes yes i did everything i i taped through i taped i taped
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through two different cable systems i taped through into direct dishes and then the most
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extraordinary discovery of all was i i recorded cnn's live feed of a recent shuttle
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i think it was sts 86 or 84 one of them of the docking and even though um i guess a lot of
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people were looking for the spherical thing that knew about them uh i was looking for the
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third phenomena because i can see it now you know with that my eye can catch it and this to me would
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would show that it has nothing to do with my machines and it has nothing to do with the dishes
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and this looked like good and it also was a great chance for me to prove to myself that that what
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you were saying yeah i was i believe that if this is there it has to be there all the time it can't
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not be there and be there and so i figured i'd take the biggest chance of all and so i
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i broke down the cnn footage there they were and even on the cnn footage yes and well
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it it's documented and the
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i don't think cnn even knew knew what they were seeing but what what stunned me is that was
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almost well how much more do you need you know i really did not i i didn't want to come forward
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with the second the third phenomena but then the second space phenomena until
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i was able to be absolutely certain that that that this had some substance to it
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but
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i didn't want to lose the second phenomena i didn't want someone to to to get diverted on this
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shoot it down and then say well that means that that that incredible spherical phenomena that is
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is i also documented in in great abundance i didn't want that to be
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dissed after you'd collected this material you mentioned the gentleman at the at the planetarium
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that decided that he didn't want to talk about it have you have you spoken to any any other
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have you spoken to nassar any qualified people there that might might be prepared to comment
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on what you're saying it's so hard to tell the story but again um i then met a physicist from
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from california actually from topeka canyon who used to be a part of i it's a think tank there
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red blue or blue green or something like that sure who cares what it's called but but the fact is
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he was very very interested in the scientific end as well we we stayed away from anyone that
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was going to have gray aliens and things in it you know we were really looking to substantiate
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it as just there and um he started corresponding with the astrochemistry department at the jet
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propulsion laboratory and the extraordinary thing about that is that he didn't communicate with on
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my behalf with just that department he communicated with the head of the astrochemistry department
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and i've turned over the documentation which outlines uh the whole set of email conversations
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in which at no time does he say that the spherical phenomena is not on the tape what he does
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is basically comment accepting the premise do the do the emails discuss both phenomena or just
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no spheres no that's the interesting thing we decided that you know that it would be better to
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to continue our work which is which is massive i have massive amounts from every flight of of these
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spherical phenomena i have examples of these things 300 miles away
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close to the ship so i feel there's enough there to uh i didn't want to freak out the uh
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you felt that there might have been a bit much well i i'd already i'd already seen professor
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weinberg's reaction and you really have to be right with them to hold their hand
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and i just felt that he might stop the emails we were absolutely knocked out that this man
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started talking to us it was the first time that i've ever heard of a senior major league jpl
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nasa player literally discussing what is on the tapes
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there's an example of the tether which is a a 12 mile long
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electrical hundred million dollar satellite controlling uh electrical an electrical experiment
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yes i'm not a scientist i apologize for that but you know i'll get you these details but they
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and this tether um they are busy showing us from the moment it broke to the moment it's 300 miles
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away and at every point broke yes mysteriously it broke just in the right place if it broke
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a little bit too close to the shuttle it would have taken the shuttle out if it had broken a
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little further on it would have taken maybe destroyed the wing or something you know
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a little further on it would have taken maybe destroyed the wing or something you know
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because you hear the astronauts say well it couldn't have happened in a better place
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and then um just to continue on on the uh distance as the these things started swarming it and and
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as this thing drifted away they're continually showing us or nasa i guess you know through the
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downlink that this hundred million dollar satellite and the phenomena followed the
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satellite this is the second the spherical phenomena spherical phenomena and um are nasa
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commenting on on these things as no at one point they asked and the astronaut says well it's a
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little bit of debris or something like you'd think you'd know that falls us around sort of
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that's you know it wasn't like oh this is this and then they dropped it there's there's a few of
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these things in the in the the uh footage or are there are there a lot of them there's more than
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a lot if you've ever seen a hornet's nest after you've thrown a rock at it you know that's what
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it's like and how do you count the hornets so i'm they're all going in different directions
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and i use tricks like fast forward because when you go and fast forward if they're all stars they
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all go in the same direction you know these things are all sure moving but what was very interesting
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is they're saying how far is the tether well the tether is now a hundred miles and and they zoom
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with their incredible zoom in on it and you see some of these these spheres in front of the tether
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and some of absolutely clearly no problem at all they're behind the tether and if the tether is 12
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miles and these are half the size of the tether going behind it at 100 miles away they're not
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specks of ice well even for me i'm i find it hard to believe that they could be crystals then if
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yeah but again i'm merely saying that you know i'd like that that i'm just saying what they can't be
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and i've never heard of a night of a six mile ice crystal that spotted crystal clear 100 miles away
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you know etc so um there's there's hundreds of those examples um then they've called them
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on the different videos one time they said they were shooting stars and meteors then the same
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phenomena appears on the next flight and it's ice crystals and then the next phenomena appears on
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the next flight and it's debris you see you see what i mean they've already established it on
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sts 70 something that it's that is i can remember something about fireflies at one stage from a
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long time ago i believe this uh spherical phenomena first appeared to john glenn
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uh as early as 1962 and um he did and it continued we have documentation from various publications
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that shows that they uh know clearly they didn't have an answer for three to four spaceflights
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they had an answer to what you know the blue haze around the earth is you know it's uh they had an
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answer to just about everything else but there's this very interesting thing about three or four
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flights in where it says john glenn's fireflies spotted over perth they're still calling them
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john glenn's fireflies and we have an astronaut making the comet on the 25th anniversary of the
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moon flight he says it's hard to believe but he says it's a fact that we thought that john's
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fireflies again glenn's fireflies were living critters now at no time have i i've read everything
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and at no time have i ever heard that before that nasa concluded originally that the fireflies were
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alive so so they were still calling them john glenn's fireflies four flights in there's another
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interesting thing if you look at john glenn's original photos which i have which he bought he
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bought a camera to coco beach drugstore even though the shuttle or the the whatever capsule
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even though they had a camera on that he took his own and when he saw the fireflies and it's
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all documented and you it's even in the movie the right stuff he holds the camera up while the
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fireflies are above his head and he says i better film or you guys are going to think i'm nuts
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and when you see those pictures and you see the pictures of the shuttle today and the mirror
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you see the same phenomena sounds like it might be any spherical an interesting exercise to show
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john glenn the footage that you've now got and let him comment on that i challenge nasa jpl
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story muskray astronauts and especially james hoberg to debate me because it's one of those
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situations where if they haven't done the homework i've done and they don't have the video i have
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and they haven't done the research and that they don't have a chance i wouldn't be able to down
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link what i got i wouldn't be able to find the things i found and do it consistently like i
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have been able to do if if if nasa really wanted to hide it although you did mention to me marvin
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that they shifted a satellite at one stage or yes they've done some shifty things and there
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there are military people as well as the the non-military people for instance there's a flight
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i have where there's it's basically the entire flight was the control room except for the
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spacewalk the spacewalk was to test the new backpacks and it's a famous
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walk because the fellow flipped around the astronaut flipped around and couldn't stop
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so that's what made the news but if you look at the whole spacewalk and everybody in the media
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had the chance there's a point where he says there's not mark will you look out there there's an object
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right in front of you and the and the military fellow says i don't know what you're talking about
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now just think to yourself if if i said there's a bee about to sting you wouldn't you go i wonder
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where that is or something other than i don't know what you're talking about first of all what do you
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mean you don't know what i'm talking about if i'm in outer space and i'm flying around and my partner
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says there's an object in front of you i wouldn't say i don't know what you're talking about and
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then his next line is never mind and then the third astronaut says am i missing something
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and he says don't worry the the lens filter came off now confirming the size and how close it must
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have been going and it's flying off at 10 o'clock and 11 o'clock now when they first mentioned the
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object the the shuttle camera you couldn't see it so i wasn't looking for it they drew my attention
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to it i looked and there the object emerged and the third thing he's saying to the third astronaut
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is don't worry about it don't worry about it you know it's the camera filter and then he even
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confirms off 10 11 o'clock 10 11 o'clock you know and then there's a pause and the control
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controller below tells him to stay vector shut up stay on course continue with what you were
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supposed to do and then they continue as if nothing happened as if if nothing had happened
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yet i it's right on tape audio video and you see the object they're referring to so but my point
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was they didn't hide that from me they they're challenging us to find it and i my only question
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is how come there aren't more of us out there finding i i this is a big world and most humans
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love mysteries and the videos available if and many people have home dishes
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and even though nasa moved the satellite almost onto the horizon after they found out what we're
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doing we still were able to get the satellite i just don't see i don't see i've had no agents
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at my house i've communicated with the canadian space agency but i can't for the for their
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protection at this point i can't give you the name but let me just say that we ran it by our
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own country space agency due to the connections we we had what was their comment that it was the
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most popular underground tape among the astronauts
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you know that it was the one they they all wanted to have a copy and show their friends at night
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like that that was the reaction this is a great tape we love looking at it everyone's just thinks
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it's the greatest no the canadian space agency has been very cooperative that's what i'd like
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to say this canadian space agency has been cooperative i communicated with washington
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headquarters and received an answer and we've been receiving answers from jpl in california
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everyone's talking to us no one's threatening us and all the video has been totally available
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the whole time so that so i don't hold that nasa is is going out of their way i think they
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make it difficult like any anybody when i used to hide easter eggs for my niece and nephew you
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don't make it too easy my dog doesn't make it easy to find the bones he buried but and but it
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and it's not easy to do this is this is very hard i want to emphasize that even for me this has been
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a very hard but fun thing to do and i think um the preponderance i think you have to do what i did
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you have to record every moment of every flight over a period of years if you're if you're looking
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to substantiate something of this magnitude and importance i took what professor weinberg of
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simon frazer university said very seriously if you really want to do this duplicate it
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get it in every lighting condition get it under every circumstance get it in every circumstance
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you can and the one that made me happiest funny enough was almost the last flights i recorded
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because i got it in black and white there was a ccd camera put on one of the flights
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and i thought that's the charge coupling device which is a electronic way rather than the old
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tubes these big tubes that are slower on their scans so as soon as the faster scanning and
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tube uh ccd was on the black and white i challenged myself again you should be able to find them
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and i did so i've got them in black and white but i've got them under and i know what which camera
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i now know where to look for them i know what events when the that the in sds 80 when the door
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wouldn't open you know they had the spacewalk scheduled and the door wouldn't open i remember
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watching that and seeing all of these this third phenomena the second space phenomena the third
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phenomena all around the door and they were moving the door and trying to get it open
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and i'd never seen this phenomena do that before and then the flight or two later
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the astronauts were commenting right on the feed that there was something that
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come through the door they were seeing these flashing colored lights
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so
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well i was gifted that one for a second but i had that one for the whole time
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the spherical phenomena we we've documented and and is very solid um isn't the type that would
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go in there float around and them say it's going really fast we can't see it and it's all these
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popping colored lights um that was the first time i got some kind of a feel that the astronauts have
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seen from the three the second space phenomena it's it's something that that should be this
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challenging i don't know why most people think something this this different is just going to be
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nuts and bolts 30 feet across nice big friendly gray aliens come out recognize themselves in all
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the ads that have been appearing in car companies turn on the tv and watch the new roswell series
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visit the x-files you know what i'm saying is that that this this is a this this this phenomena
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is not what i expected to find this third phenomenon but they seem i believe they they
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use the same operating principle because some of the spherical second phenomena which i still
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emphasize this is our main documentation um can move away at rapid speeds as the video shows you
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um do you believe the two phenomena are connected yes somehow i i i think well they're very aware of
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each other somebody suggested to me what if they're the same phenomena but i've studied them
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extensively and the spherical phenomena has different characteristics to it um kind of a
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let's just put it at that leave it at that it's it they're not in color these are this is a
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totally different phenomena this one never goes at real speed it's as if something comes up to
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your nose and in one-third of a second has a tour like an iceberg or something or you know a glacier
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and then leaves without us even without us even though aware of it and if it chooses for whatever
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reason to look at something it tends to slow down and that's why i believe it it appears when there's
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a hundred million dollar satellite disrupting the air it appears when the Hubble Space Telescope
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is being repaired it appears when whenever something is happening it it it's an amazing
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phenomena and and what i like about it is there's these are nice there's nobody in science in Canada
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that i've ever met and David Sarita my partner in terms of the research and not a partner and
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let's just say he's as interested as i am and he volunteered to to take on that role nobody said
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to him that this what this is nobody suggested anything except that it must be what it is
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and but they don't know where to go with them they don't know what to do with it they don't
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know how to react it's easier if you can sort of argue that may or may not be something
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but once you just look at it it stuns you
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in december 1997 in the brazilian capital of brasilia representatives from over 50 nations
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took part in a major international ufo congress among them was alexander ballandine a former
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soviet cosmonaut who spent six months aboard the mere space station in his lecture ballandine
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conceded that he and many other cosmonauts had seen ufos we cosmonauts had a golden rule he said
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if you see something strange keep watching it because you may never see something like it again
58:15.280 --> 58:20.960
later ballandine shook the assembled audience when he claimed that future anomalous images
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observed and or recorded in space would be shared between the russian space agency nasa
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and a special forum of ufo researchers this was an unprecedented announcement delivered from
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prepared notes that would have to have been sanctioned by the russian government not least
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because ballandine was driven to and from the russian embassy in brazilia each day in a diplomatic
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limousine over breakfast and with ufo researcher boris choronov acting as interpreter
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ballandine assured graham birdsell that some ufos reportedly seen by both american astronauts
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and russian cosmonauts were very real but when birdsell ventured to suggest that some anomalous
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things seen in space might be secret star wars devices ballandine said of course we accept this
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but some of the things seen have nothing to do with these since that announcement other former
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mere cosmonauts have come forward to speak about their ufo encounters there was a huge fear i think
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it appeared when we were over newfoundland the sea was in the background the shining sparkling
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of absolutely even shape it shone like the balls that hang on trees at christmas greenish in color
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and all shimmering it was impossible to take your eyes off it and if further proof were ever needed
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that the russian space agency meant what it said then this sequence captured by russian state
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television from within mere mission control can only be described as proof positive note how the
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camera pans around the control room before settling on the main viewing screen was the subject of
01:00:04.800 --> 01:00:10.400
their attention these anomalous objects seen in close proximity to the mere space station
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intriguingly here's the exact same sequence only this time recorded by martin stubbs from
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nasa's downlink compare the two these objects are paid only of interest to those watching in
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russia so might the same be true of their counterparts at nasa
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so
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so
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columbia houston we're looking at our payload bay camera and looks like a lot of moonlight
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glinting off the ocean a whole sparkling bed of diamonds out there
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is that a real picture or we just get in some video for us
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so
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he's still recording that that's some of the ice crystals that we were dumping out earlier
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yeah it's a beautiful picture
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that's a great combination of the moonlight and the ice and the clouds
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so
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well thanks for the picture
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so
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so
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the mere space station is now visible on the far left hand side of the screen about
01:03:55.680 --> 01:03:59.600
about an inch from the bottom of this particular picture
01:04:06.720 --> 01:04:09.600
and there were also a number of shooting stars in that view
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the camera has now moved to a point
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okay the mirror space station is the small flashing light in the center about an inch from
01:04:33.040 --> 01:04:35.600
the left hand side of the screen it's slowly
01:04:42.480 --> 01:04:48.880
it is slowly moving closer to the left hand side and is very it has a very light flashing
01:04:52.400 --> 01:05:07.600
we think in the middle of the screen way to the left hand side
01:05:11.840 --> 01:05:21.600
so
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so
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looks like you got an odd
01:05:39.440 --> 01:05:43.280
relation
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yeah
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so
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discovery we're sending you an orbiter state vector
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so
01:07:01.440 --> 01:07:11.120
so
01:07:11.120 --> 01:07:20.960
so
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okay
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so
01:07:50.960 --> 01:08:00.800
so
01:08:01.760 --> 01:08:08.640
so
01:08:08.640 --> 01:08:18.480
so
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okay
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so
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so
01:09:18.480 --> 01:09:28.320
so
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so
01:10:06.320 --> 01:10:12.320
so
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so
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so
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so
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so
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so
01:11:58.320 --> 01:12:08.160
so
01:12:08.160 --> 01:12:22.160
so
01:12:28.320 --> 01:12:38.160
so
01:12:42.160 --> 01:12:52.160
so
01:12:58.320 --> 01:13:08.160
so
01:13:28.320 --> 01:13:38.160
so
01:13:49.200 --> 01:13:52.160
so
01:13:58.320 --> 01:14:08.160
so
01:14:09.040 --> 01:14:22.160
so
01:14:28.320 --> 01:14:38.160
so
01:14:38.160 --> 01:14:48.000
so
01:14:55.120 --> 01:15:00.000
we see the satellite now it's like a bright spot at the end of the tether and on the other end the
01:15:00.000 --> 01:15:04.240
lower end there's also a relatively bright spot which is maybe an accumulation of the
01:15:04.240 --> 01:15:12.640
tether and we are downlicking camera delta now okay we copied and understand as you're
01:15:12.640 --> 01:15:16.320
viewing it on the monitor the satellite is at the top of the tether
01:15:24.800 --> 01:15:26.080
that's correct
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so
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columbia we had the camera bravo constantly over tether unfortunately we don't see the
01:15:49.600 --> 01:15:54.320
tip of the boom but in a few seconds you'll see the tether break and this one of course was
01:15:54.320 --> 01:16:00.640
not attended he just recorded he could not be bumped either so it would record steadily the whole
01:16:00.640 --> 01:16:14.480
break and coil back of the tether copy claude
01:16:19.280 --> 01:16:28.480
we go
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so
01:16:43.360 --> 01:16:58.480
again this is a view of the satellite well if it had to break it did it in the right place
01:17:01.040 --> 01:17:04.480
so left hand corner there straight is an arrow
01:17:06.480 --> 01:17:10.480
so it seems from here yes sir we have it great picture
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it came and went pretty quick but that was about as much as we have on it
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columbia and the satellite now 77 nautical miles apart again that call reporting that
01:17:37.600 --> 01:17:44.480
the crew can see the tether and see the satellite it's beautiful
01:17:55.120 --> 01:17:56.480
this view showing
01:18:01.280 --> 01:18:07.680
the satellite again i was just moving into sunrise
01:18:10.720 --> 01:18:14.480
81 nautical miles now from columbia
01:18:30.640 --> 01:18:40.480
so
01:18:40.480 --> 01:18:50.320
so
01:18:56.880 --> 01:19:05.920
guys getting the image franklin we see a long line a couple of star-like things and a lot of
01:19:05.920 --> 01:19:08.240
things swimming in the foreground can you describe what you're seeing
01:19:10.480 --> 01:19:18.880
well the long line is is a tether and there's a little bit of debris that kind of flies with us
01:19:18.880 --> 01:19:25.520
and it's illuminated by the sun at such low angles this is this lot of stray light
01:19:26.160 --> 01:19:32.240
and is getting washed out quickly but claude is trying to do a quick good job here adjusting the
01:19:32.240 --> 01:19:35.200
camera copy that
01:19:38.240 --> 01:19:43.360
you know that description by the crew this is the tether in the satellite the satellite with 12
01:19:44.640 --> 01:19:50.640
approximately 12 miles of tether still attached to it columbia and the satellite
01:19:50.640 --> 01:19:58.560
and now just passing over the west coast of northern africa the two spacecraft now
01:19:59.200 --> 01:20:00.880
90 nautical miles apart
01:20:07.440 --> 01:20:10.720
controllers for the satellite to did have communications with it
01:20:10.720 --> 01:20:14.880
during the close pass between columbia and the satellite
01:20:24.080 --> 01:20:28.080
columbia houston that's a much better view a lot more contrast visible
01:20:29.200 --> 01:20:35.280
and how wide does that tether appear to be we it seems to resemble a much wider strand
01:20:35.280 --> 01:20:39.680
than we'd expect can you describe which way the the satellite is visible on that strand
01:20:58.560 --> 01:21:07.680
so
01:21:07.680 --> 01:21:10.800
so
01:21:25.760 --> 01:21:26.800
satellite now
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100 nautical miles
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okay claude thank you
01:21:56.800 --> 01:22:00.800
i should mirror exactly what she's doing on the inside
01:22:00.800 --> 01:22:03.920
okay
01:22:05.280 --> 01:22:09.520
right now the handle is installed with the tab in the unlocked position
01:22:10.240 --> 01:22:15.040
i'm going to rotate the tab to the locked position now if you're ready we're ready
01:22:19.040 --> 01:22:21.840
okay we are fully seated in a locked position
01:22:23.920 --> 01:22:27.200
okay tammy we didn't see any any motion on the outside
01:22:27.280 --> 01:22:29.760
if you would go ahead and move it back to the unlocked
01:22:31.840 --> 01:22:38.320
okay i'm pulling back to the unlocked and again it's only going about three quarters of the way
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will not like that and will not see it as i mentioned earlier
01:22:45.840 --> 01:22:51.280
and tammy if you could simultaneous with trying to put it in the unlocked position if you would
01:22:51.360 --> 01:22:53.280
move the handle a little bit back and forth
01:23:03.840 --> 01:23:06.240
okay and we can see the handle moving on the outside
01:23:08.400 --> 01:23:15.920
okay and uh but any indication that the lock is being actuated no we can't we can't see any
01:23:15.920 --> 01:23:21.360
indication of that and it just may be a bad angle and too dark amidst the two and a half
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thousand hours of nasa footage recorded by martin stubbs we have seen countless examples of the
01:23:27.280 --> 01:23:34.240
spheres the first space phenomenon but until now few have ever come across least of all seen
01:23:34.240 --> 01:23:40.400
described what has been labeled the second space phenomenon those that have have been left
01:23:40.400 --> 01:23:46.480
speechless including eminent scientists astrophysicists and as we have learned
01:23:46.480 --> 01:23:52.560
highly placed figures within the canadian space agency someone who was prepared to comment
01:23:52.560 --> 01:23:58.080
publicly after being shown less than five minutes of the footage was guido negro director of the
01:23:58.080 --> 01:24:04.800
seti radio telescope at golden grave observatory in western australia what we asked did he make of
01:24:04.800 --> 01:24:12.080
it all well i was very well impressed and not only myself also other people they were looking
01:24:13.040 --> 01:24:19.360
and because this time we are talking about footage taken off from some home movie camera
01:24:19.360 --> 01:24:26.640
about someone that actually was blind in space shuttle so automatically that gave us the fact
01:24:26.640 --> 01:24:35.360
that the picture must have been real genuine well i was very well impressed and maybe this
01:24:35.360 --> 01:24:43.920
will prove that there is something else that we are not aware of at least if the footage that we
01:24:43.920 --> 01:24:54.240
saw came to be true and really are showing an alien spacecraft or something like that i say
01:24:54.320 --> 01:25:02.480
and if there is a cover up the the people who are doing this cover up are an enemy of entire
01:25:02.480 --> 01:25:11.840
third race because we are not children and we must know if we must know the truth it doesn't
01:25:11.840 --> 01:25:19.520
matter if there are people that are not they don't know how to handle the truth well the majority of
01:25:19.520 --> 01:25:24.640
us will and if there is a cover up i think it's time that the cover goes
01:25:26.640 --> 01:25:32.320
guido could have easily dismissed this sampling as ice crystals at best or errant nonsense at
01:25:32.320 --> 01:25:38.000
worst the fact that he chose to do neither is symbolic perhaps of the potential importance
01:25:38.000 --> 01:25:44.560
both he and a great many others attached to the footage the owner surely now rests with people
01:25:44.560 --> 01:25:50.640
like guido and others elsewhere in the scientific community to determine whether or not the second
01:25:50.640 --> 01:25:57.600
space phenomena is a genuine phenomenon and were that proven to be the case two burning questions
01:25:57.600 --> 01:26:05.760
would need to be addressed is it extraterrestrial and is it intelligent if the answer to either is
01:26:05.760 --> 01:26:12.880
deemed yes we could have arrived at an historic moment for martin stubbs it would be the
01:26:12.880 --> 01:26:18.880
vindication of what he and millions like him have always maintained that we are not alone in
01:26:18.880 --> 01:26:25.520
the universe his after all was a chance discovery a fleeting glimpse of something that sped across
01:26:25.520 --> 01:26:31.760
his television monitor that most would fail to notice he focused on that he looked for more of
01:26:31.760 --> 01:26:40.240
the same under different conditions and found them in abundance but found what exactly some of the
01:26:40.240 --> 01:26:46.560
greatest scientific discoveries known to man have often been born from chance events but is
01:26:46.560 --> 01:26:51.920
it remotely conceivable that one of the greatest discoveries of all time could have been similarly
01:26:51.920 --> 01:26:58.080
unearthed by a humble cable tv manager operating out of a small community station in vancouver
01:26:59.280 --> 01:27:05.200
history will surely go on to determine the truth provided that is others within the scientific
01:27:05.200 --> 01:27:09.760
community are equally prepared to explore the limitless possibilities now before them
01:27:10.800 --> 01:27:16.720
but who among them will be courageous enough ambitious enough to step forward and examine
01:27:16.720 --> 01:27:23.520
this evidence there will be many who will choose to ignore it blinded by self-imposed scientific
01:27:23.520 --> 01:27:29.040
dogma and bland indifference towards all who champion the extraterrestrial hypotheses
01:27:30.000 --> 01:27:35.360
but those that do express an interest may well find themselves embarking upon
01:27:35.360 --> 01:27:43.360
one of the greatest scientific treks of all time i can't explain it because i don't really think
01:27:43.360 --> 01:27:53.280
that's my job right now i'm merely a person who's gathering grains of salt together
01:27:53.760 --> 01:27:59.200
and putting them in front of you it's as if you have a carpet and you throw
01:28:00.080 --> 01:28:05.040
you have a handful of salt and you throw the salt on the carpet you look and you don't
01:28:05.040 --> 01:28:10.560
think there's any salt there when you gather it up put it back in your hand you have something
01:28:23.280 --> 01:28:32.560
so
01:28:53.280 --> 01:29:02.560
so
01:29:23.280 --> 01:29:23.520
you