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My name is Rob de Bovall and I'm an author.

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I'm a construction engineer by profession.

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So I studied engineering at university and basically working on construction projects for quite a long time.

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Until I worked in Saudi Arabia in the early 80s and in 83 I took a trip to Egypt and I had family there.

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And visited the museum which had been many times the Cairo Museum.

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And I saw a photograph on one of the walls of the old kingdom, the pyramid pillars.

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It was an overhead picture of the pyramids of Giza, the three major pyramids.

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And that's where it started because I saw an anomaly.

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There were two large pyramids set on a diagonal line, the third pyramids smaller but offset of that line.

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So I'm just stuck in my head, you know, what's, why is it like that?

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And the reason that I was intrigued by this is because my engineering specialty at that time was what is known as setting out engineering.

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I'm the guy who set out buildings on the ground, you know, with the teodolites and levels and measuring tapes.

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So I had it, you know, my mind was very much into this sort of looking at plans and looking at at the layouts of monuments and so forth.

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And it kind of stuck in my mind.

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And let's start began and I, it kind of bothered me, you know, I just want to find why.

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And I want to let to another but I discovered, you know, I thought, well, okay, let's find out if there's anything you written about this.

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And one of the strange things about the pyramids of Giza is that they do not contain any inscriptions.

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They're totally devoid of texts inside and out.

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So there's no writing, but there are writings of pyramid builders that follow these, the known as the Pyramid texts.

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And to settle on story short, I found out that there was a whole religious belief system whereby the king who built those pyramids would be transformed into a spiritual entity and go to the stars, he would become a star.

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And particularly into the constellation Ovarayan, the into the center of this constellation where they believed that the found the spiritual found the original fair or a widget was a god called Osiris who when he died had gone and become this constellation of stars.

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So that was, so in my mind, I thought there's something to do with this constellation.

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And of course, it was well known, long before me that pyramids had were aligned to cardinal directions, they had a ceronomical alignment.

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It was known that there existed shafts. I didn't know this to well at the time, but there was a shaft pointing to Orion's belt and the pyramid was constructed.

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And I wasn't the desert ones with a friend of mine in Saudi Arabia. And you know, without this in my mind, he happened to be an navigator by Shirlaq and he pointed to the stars of Orion and said we use these stars because they tell us the direction of east.

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And he said have a look at them and they are three stars, two bright ones and one less bright in offset. And that's bang. So hit my hit my, the penny drop if you like the proverb, the penny drop and I saw a correlation.

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You know, it made sense that they somehow wanted to build this kind of heavenly abode in the stars on the ground as a kind of heaven and earth funeral complex.

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And I started researching, trying to find the out of who said anything about this, amazingly. Nobody had noticed this.

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And so I got a bit obsessed with this and I finally published and I published in the journal in the Geological Journal. It took me a long time actually. I was very busy with by engineering work.

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But finally I settled in Australia and I had more time there.

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And through contact, I got to know some top Egyptologists and they encouraged me to publish. I published in the journal Oxford in Leving at the Strait in 1989.

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And that said it was published. Then I thought I wanted to do a book. I mean it's not enough for me. I just, I wanted to come out.

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And it took a while. It took a while. This is the early days of publishing without internet and all this. I finally published with random house and I got the book out in 94. So that's the background.

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And since then I've changed profession. I've stopped in my engineering work in about 85, 1985. And I've been writing books ever since on this particular subject.

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Well, the bottom line of all this is that the layouts of these specific pyramids, the pyramids of the fourth dynasty. Let me set you in a context.

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According to Egyptologists, these pyramids were built around 2500 BC and they were built by three pharaohs, very important pharaohs.

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And they were built around 20 years ago. And they were built around 20 years ago. And they were built around 20 years ago.

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And they were built around 20 years ago. And they were built around 20 years ago.

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And if really, of that period, what is the purpose of them? But I'm pretty convinced. And of course my theory is become rather well known around the world and my books have become international sellers and I've been on television many times as you probably know.

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I'm very convinced of the correlation that this was the intention. Of course the big question is what for? How did they imagine pyramids to somehow assist them in a transformation of a physical body, the body of the king into a kind of spiritual entity?

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And then somehow send them to the stars like a launching pad. And it's one of the things that's very difficult to understand. I mean, it took a long time.

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I've written many, many books since then, looking into this. In a nutshell, for some reason, wanted a hardware. I think the best analogy that I often gave is it's a bit like computers. You know, you have the hardware.

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It doesn't do anything unless you put a software in it, unless you program it. And then it needs energy, needs a processor to plug it in or batteries. That's how it works.

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The pyramids are the hardware of something. And what was the software? How did they want it to work? How did they want this mass of stone that was representative of a star, a constellation of stars? How did they want it to work?

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But in their mind, in their mind, the individual that was going to be transformed was programmed, if you like, he was initiated into a belief system.

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And that is one thing we don't know, we're not quite sure what they were initiating in how they initiated it.

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But the idea was that in initiated individual programs would interact with the monuments. The more it becomes a kind of metaphysical machine, the best way to describe it.

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And the curious thing about this, since you are a little bit in UFO, is that the pyramid responds more specifically the great pyramid.

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The great pyramid is kind of unique, although it's part of a try of the three pyramids forming this star pattern.

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The great pyramid is unique in that it's not just the biggest, it's the most perfect, it's a very perfect building, it's so well aligned to the cardinal directions.

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That's very difficult to imagine that they didn't have sophisticated instruments, optical instruments, it's one of those things, that's puzzles, a lot of people.

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But because it's devoid of any inscriptions, to me that was a mystery.

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And we know that the ancient Egyptians were very prolific in the writing, they're going around other structures in Egypt, temples and tombs and they're loaded with inscriptions.

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They love to write. And yet these monuments, and particularly great pyramid, they just bear, it's just no writing whatsoever.

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It's as if it's speaking in something else. It's expressing itself in something else. And what you find when you study this monument is that it responds to astronomy, that's for sure.

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I mean, this is well accepted by professionals, by expert, by Egyptologist. It's aligned to the north, south, east, west, with precision.

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It has shafts inside, shooting from the chamber, is the point of stars. It's kind of the designer used astronomy.

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But he also used what he designed that used mathematics.

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Strange enough, it responds, the mathematics used is a mathematics that astronomers would use today.

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NASA would use today to explain things. The used prime numbers.

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It responds to ratios and prime numbers. Let me explain this because I'm not a mathematician, but I'm a million colleagues.

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My brother, for example, studies this. There's no point putting language, for example, if they had inscriptions in language, either their language or some other language.

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Because we're speaking in English at the moment, but we have no idea if people in the thousands of years or a million years or people from a different galaxy would understand our language.

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If we put numbers, if we put literally numbers like one, two, and three in Roman characters, it only means something to us because we know that something is looked like that is a two and so forth.

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But if we put ratios, if we say this length and this length makes two, you know, one to two, then anybody can understand. It doesn't need to know the number.

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He works out the ratio, you know, two to one and you know, you're meaning two or three to one or three to five.

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So that's how the pyramid is designed and the numbers that come out are nearly always prime numbers like three, like five.

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All numbers that are not divisible by themselves.

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21, 36, sorry, 35.

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You know, these are, and they come, they appear in this Parliament. Now having said this, you know, as much as there is a resistance of ecoptologists and archaeologists to consider this, this is the sort of language that we would use as a

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astronomical language and prime number language and ratios to speak across anything, to speak across time or this planet, to speak across cultures or to speak literally across the universe.

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It's a language that is literally universal. That makes this Parliament very intriguing.

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It doesn't fit the consensus that it is just a tomb for fairs.

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So that's very much what I'm into these days is I'm particularly resistant to the idea that aliens will involve with this.

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But I must admit, and I do admit this place, that because of this, it raises the question, that as far as I would go, it raises the question, is what was the intention of the designers, the people who designed this Parliament, why did they do this?

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I mean, what purpose can it serve? If really, the intention was to have it as a tomb.

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It seems that I, either they believed in this or they had a knowledge of a science, for lack of better words, I call it a science of immortality.

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They were very, very convinced that they knew how to convert a physical entity, a physical body, dead body, and revive it to become a spiritual body.

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They seem to be very, very convinced of this. Now, for us in our scientific way of thinking, in our modern world, we have difficulty in accepting this.

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We have difficulty in considering this. But this is what they, it's more than I believe. They want to a lot of trouble. I mean, building a pyramid like the Great Permanent is it still mystifies engineers today.

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We don't know how they did it. We don't know how they lifted the stones. We don't know how they placed in such perfection.

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So the monuments and its design methods, implaws, I mean, it's almost screaming out that it has a different meaning and the meaning seems to be universal, some sort of message, some sort of, and that message, if we accept what they say in their text, is a science of immortality, is a kind of metaphysical science.

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Having gone that far, I am inclined to think, again, very difficult to prove. I am inclined to think that there is a, a means to access that science, not through the way that we're attempting today, not through external science, not through trying to understand the external world.

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But an internal world, it's as if the knowledge is kind of stored inside that we have it. But we don't know how to access it.

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I don't know DNA or in our genetic system or in the brain structure, we have knowledge and that's impressionally given, they seem to have access to the knowledge, and you have to get to it.

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And that to me is what I'm very interested in these days. I'm going out of my, I'm still halfway in the middle, because I see myself as a kind of really sounds male. I mean, I'm just written a book about the Renaissance period where what we call the old sciences, magic and astrology and cabal and all these old sciences.

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We're straddels with the new discoveries. They were moving into what we call today in political science. You know, you had people like Galileo and others who kind of had a conflict, because on the one hand, they had one foot into these kind of old sciences, and then they had access to new information, you know, the, the, how the world was formed, the mathematical sciences and so forth.

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I feel the same. I'm a bit of a hard-line scientist. I mean, I'm engineered by profession and I've studied as strong.

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But I begin to think that hence why I'm interested in this kind of conference is some, you know, I'm meeting people. I'm very resistant. I'm, I must say, channeling psychic phenomena to me is something that I'm, but I begin to be interested in that I think that we have a metaphysical capacity.

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That we can access a knowledge that is stored inside us, that, that knowledge comes from way, way into our origins, way before the earth was informed.

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We were the product of a, of a universal expansion. We were it. And I'm, I'm very convinced of this. I've come to terms in knowing something without being able to prove it.

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And that to me is metaphysics, where you sense the truth of something, but you can't prove it with empirical knowledge.

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You know, a bit like you sense love, but you can't equate it. You can't put a mathematical value to it.

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And to me, this is what is involved with the pyramid. It's a monument that kind of causes this way of thinking.

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I've had the fortunate experience to, not just to live in Egypt. I've spent three years, literally living in front of the Great Pemod.

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I had a house. The pyramid was right there. I had an office. And I've experienced these monuments in all sorts of conditions, you know, in morning at night.

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And with all the logic of trying to explain it, with all the books that have been written about it, I've written several books on it.

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It's just puzzles you. It's one of those things that you look at it and it's as if it shouldn't be there. It's kind of like alien. I mean, I've gotta use this word.

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I don't, I'm very convinced it was built by humans. I don't go into the alien thing, but it does reflect a possibility that these humans were built at, somehow knew something that we've lost.

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Or rather, we've lost the ability to access it. So to me, that's what it means. What about the boss in the pyramid?

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I haven't seen them. So my judgment is purely on what others are saying about it. The reason I heard of Samir is as is well known in my business.

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I'm in big conflicts with the ex-minister of Antiquity's in Egypt. And so is he, by the way.

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Fellow called Zacki Hawas was now out of the system, but I got to hear that because I was very much in opposition to this man. He was against my theories and so forth.

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And I got to hear that he was doing the same to Samir. And there was a conference in Italy in the Atlantic coast. I think it was in 2010, where he left in the countrymen, where Samir was there.

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And we talked about this. I am, I am bit skeptical because one of my colleagues, Dr Robert Chauk, Robert Chauk is the man who made a big fuss quite a long time ago about the age of this thing. He's a geologist at Boston University.

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Now Robert Chauk is in pursuit since the early 90s. He's a geologist, a top geologist. He's pursuit of the age of civilization. He's convinced that civilization is much older.

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He's been studying, for example, recently, a gobelchip-tepian in Turkey. He's been very much involved with the studies of the defense in Egypt, believing that it's much older, monument than Egyptologist.

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So he's very keen to find monuments that are ancient and very ancient. He went to see the Basin pyramids.

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And from his point of view, he doesn't think that they are artificial. They're telephones. I mean, I have no doubt. I know there's new information that's coming out.

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I meet a lot of people who actually worked on that because there's many students going off of their volunteer work.

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Whether they are pyramids in the sense that they were built pyramids, like the Pymns of Egypt, I'm not so sure.

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But they have telephones. Maybe there were hills that were cut and formed. I mean, this is in China, for example, very examples of this.

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There is no doubt I've seen pictures of heavy stones, clearly manhandles that are part of the structure. There is probably a lot more if one is conveyed there.

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I will go as far as saying it's more than likely ancient monuments that were telephones. Now, whether they're part of a worldwide pyramid system, speaking of which, by the way, since you asked a question of what is a pyramid.

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Although my speciality is the pyramids of Egypt. I mean, that's my thing. I have, of course, been involved with other researchers. My colleague, my co-author, Graham Hancock, has studied the pyramids of South America or Mesoamerica.

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I met many authors who have explored the pyramids of China. There are pyramids coming out everywhere these days. I mean, you know, I'm finding my pyramids in Mexico where we know that.

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But other pyramids that appear in Central America, I'm not quite sure. I'm beginning to think that there might have been a big, a realistic, a prehistoric culture. For lack of better words, we need to kind of sense it.

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There is too much common denominators. There is stone building with big stones. Very often these stone structures are aligned to stars or to rising points of the sun or the moon. So there is astronomy. There's large stones.

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And there seems to be something always with rituals, with river rituals. There seems to be a common denominator. The impression I'm getting, again, without having taken it, trying to link up with various people studying. For example, I live in Spain. I was not aware until I went to live in Spain. There is a lot of these large, big, erratic structures. The island of Mayorka, the island of

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Inland, Spain, various serious stone structures, Malta. There seems to be a belt going from Eastern Europe. I wasn't Bulgaria recently. In fact, I'm going to Bulgaria in July. Again, these areas I didn't know, like Bosnia. They're finding out that there are monuments, that, the majoristic structures that they thought were more recent. And now questions are being asked.

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I'm going there to do a program, by the way, with Robert Schock and Thomas Brophy in Assofysis. Because suddenly, we're waking up that the possibility is that monuments in Bulgaria and Romania, Bosnia and various places might be part of a more global thing. And it seems to be from Eastern Europe, well, Egypt, going through the Levant Eastern Europe.

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It seems to be a belt along the Mediterranean coast, Malta, Mayorka, like I said, Sardinia, going out of the Mediterranean to Tenerife, right outside the Atlantic.

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And then, you know, so there seems to be something that indicates the possibility of a lost prehistoric, Megalysic society. Why they were placing monuments in various places is still unclear.

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People are beginning to say, maybe there were kind of a grid, maybe there were like GPS, if you like, that the earth was gridded, that you could navigate the earth and know where you are using those monuments, using their directions, it's a possibility.

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The reason I'm beginning to think this is that we've discovered structures, not as big as pyramids, but in the western deserts of Egypt, that are clearly prehistoric, predating the pyramids, probably by thousands of years, that exhibit the same ideas of astronomical lines.

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And the scattered in this vast desert region, the Sahara, we're hearing more and more of these things. And the impression you get when you see those sites, some of them are totally uninhabited, like stone circles with stone alignments, I was speaking about this a bit tonight as well.

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Without any human habitation, they seem to have been placed there. And the impression you get is that they were used for navigation, earth's navigation, to move around from place to place. And when you hit one of these places, you knew where you were, because you could work out, like navigator does, you know, to work out the position of the stars, the directions, your latitude longitude.

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So it seems that the world was graded with lost these people. I'm saying, I'm always using words like maybe and seems because we're not sure, I'm one of those that until I touch it, you know.

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So I think maybe the positive thing is that it's quite a strong visibility.