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Thanks for watching!
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How many people here are watching on the internet or in magazines the growing discussion with the growing number of
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self-claimed whistleblowers regarding the secret space civilization?
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Yes, there's quite a lot of interest.
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I'm going to give you some background, a background which I have come to believe based on my own research and interviews with people in the southern hemisphere.
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I certainly believe that prior to World War II that German scientists developed anti-gravity, faster than light travel, teleportation, the whole package.
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The awareness of the existence of the charged ether gave somebody back pre-World War II a level of technology which we would call science fiction.
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It's an absolute fact that Germans went down to the Antarctic before World War II and created huge artificial cabins with a power source.
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Some claim they found an existing cabin with a power source and infrastructure in the Antarctic.
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We don't know.
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But I do believe utterly and totally that before World War II the Germans were running around with anti-gravity craft from the Antarctic.
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After World War II, Operation Highjump is totally a case of the remaining western powers trying to remove the German influence in the Antarctic
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and get hold of their technology.
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I don't know the full details of the outcome, but the Operation Highjump from the Russians and the Americans' military point of view, they were sent home with their tail between their legs.
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For a couple of decades after that there was a lot of hostilities between UFOs and military aircraft, both Russian and American.
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A lot of engagements, a lot of people were killed.
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A lot of UFO researchers were mysteriously suicided, especially the researchers who suggested that mankind reach out in love and try and telepathically communicate to aliens.
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They were the researchers that were suicided first, I've noticed.
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Quite a few minutes were put to quite a few UFO organisations to do this, but funnily enough most of them backed out.
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So we're left with what is happening now.
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If the Germans did have this technology during and after World War II, why didn't they use it to dominate the human race?
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There are many questions and there are many people suggesting many different interpretations and answers.
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With the advent of the internet and the speeding up of communications and the infrastructure of communications,
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a whistleblower now can inject and insert information into an ecosystem of information that's never been the same before, but it is a two-edged sword.
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You've got people out there liking to make a name for themselves, putting out information, trying to make a bit of money.
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Those people fall by the way pretty quickly.
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The UFO community is quite savage in terms of how it treats its own people.
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You're not given much time in terms of articles in nexus or appearances at conferences if the rest of the UFO community think you're a total flake.
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We do have tolerance for people who stand their ground.
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They might be talking about stuff that cannot be verified and we'll give them a platform, an opportunity to say their piece
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and we let the readers and the audiences and the consumers decide for themselves.
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For myself, I'm utterly convinced that we have a parallel civilisation, plural.
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Possibly some of our ancient ancestors are still operating machinery and bases on this planet and other bases and other planets, other solar systems.
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We've had a breakthrough we know of at least once in the 20th century.
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So whoever those German scientists were, that means they're now integrated or part of the dynamic of what is going on outside of Earth.
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So in my view of reality, Earth is one planet full of humans who have no idea of what is going on out in space.
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I have personally communicated to people who are aware of this whole thing.
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There is a degree of uniformity about it, but in my mind there are bases in the solar system where humans from Earth are working.
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There are spaceships which are miles long where humans live on.
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Humans are working with other humans from other places and other times as well as what we would call other life forms non-human.
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There is a lot going on.
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How do you make head or tail of this?
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Well, when I try and get a handle on it or when I try and keep up to date, I turn to a place on the internet run by Michael Seller, our next speaker.
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Michael is what I consider Grand Central Station for centralising, talking to, listening and synthesising the research coming out of quite a few whistleblowers.
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How many people here are aware of Corey Goode?
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He's being broadcast on the Guyam network, interviewed a lot by David Wilcock.
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People constantly email me and say, what's your take on this?
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I have to say the same thing over and over.
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The background context I have no problem with.
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The details, I don't know.
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Some people say the devil's in the details.
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I think the details work them out for themselves.
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Without much more ado, I just want to preface who Michael Seller is apart from being Grand Central Station for whistleblowers about the secret and parallel civilisations.
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Michael is actually an Aussie living in Hawaii.
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He has a MA in philosophy from the University of Melbourne, PhD in government.
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I believe he's served as a diplomat.
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He went on to hold academic posts in Australian National University, the Centre for Global Peace at the American University in DC.
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He's one of the founders of the word exopolitics and the Exopolitics Institute.
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And generally, I think you're going to be seeing a little bit more of him here in Australia.
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I think one of his relatives, I think he might have become a grandfather and he needs to come down here.
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Either way, I want you to give Michael a big Nexus conference warm welcome that he's going to hear all the way in Hawaii.
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Michael Seller.
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Thank you. Thank you, Duncan.
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Yes. And thanks for the audience, even though I can't see or hear your clapping.
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Very glad to be part of this conference and very happy to be talking about secret space programmes.
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It's a it's a topic that really is something that has thrust itself into my world,
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into my world of exopolitics, which I've been working on since 2001 when I first saw Stephen Grier's disclosure project and all of the whistleblowers that he had come forward talking about their experiences.
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And over the years, just going through all of the literature, the whistleblowers, the documents, the sightings, just trying to make sense of it all in terms of this field of exopolitics.
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Very recently, there's been this emergence of whistleblowers who have you say that they've served on secret space programmes.
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And so they've said some really incredible things.
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And so what I'm going to try and do today is really just give you a kind of overview of what I think is going on and try and anchor it as much as I can in historical events,
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things that aren't really all that controversial and also introduce the whistleblower testimonies themselves and how that helps us understand the big picture.
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So I want to begin with this. Where do we begin understanding secret space programmes?
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I think it goes back. And Duncan said in his introduction, he talked about former Nazi scientists.
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And then you see a group of over 100 there in Fort Bliss in Texas.
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And these scientists, these Nazi German scientists, they weren't exclusively Germans, but they were working for the Nazi regime over the years from 1934, 33, 34, right up until the end of the war on various projects.
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And some of these projects really were using principles that we're very familiar with.
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They some of these scientists, especially the ones that were involved at Panemunde.
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And there you have a picture of some of these German scientists showcasing the V2 rockets that they were sending over to Britain during the war and Werner von Braun there on your right.
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And they were basically using these revolutionary propulsion systems.
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They were the first to develop missile technologies.
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But this was using Newtonian physics, very, very traditional physics that was used for the V2 rocket programme.
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Now, Newton's third law, everyone, I think, probably has an idea of what this all is.
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But the key in understanding propulsion systems and Newton's laws of physics is how do you deal with mass?
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You know, the mass of an object is going to determine how much energy you're going to be needing to propel it forward, to move it from one place to another.
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The more mass, the more energy you're going to need.
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So like with a rocket, if you have a very heavy mass like a Saturn five rocket with the space capsule up the top there,
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you're going to need a lot of rocket fuel to be pushed back at very high velocity to be able to propel it forward.
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But really, the issue of mass is the one that for traditional Newtonian physics is the stumbling block where a lot of scientists, even today in many universities,
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they're always trying to deal with how do you efficiently able to propel things forward that have a great amount of mass attached to them?
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Well, the thing about the Nazi scientists was that they also developed revolutionary propulsion systems that dealt with this issue of mass,
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of being able to really kind of reduce mass, because in traditional Newtonian physics, mass is a constant.
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Everyone who's sitting in this room, you have a constant mass. In the Newtonian world, your mass does not change.
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But in a kind of using non-Newtonian physics, things can be done where your mass changes to the extent where that's actually going to make a bigger,
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have a big influence in terms of if you if there was an attempt to kind of move you through space.
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So the Nazi scientists were very radical in developing some of these revolutionary propulsion systems.
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And there you have the picture of the Nazi wonder weapon, one of the Glock.
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And as you can see, it has a shape of a bell and it has a kind of circular perimeter or a ring around it down towards the bottom.
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And that's very important. And I'll kind of come back to that in a moment.
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But one of the things about this revolutionary propulsion system, non-Newtonian physics,
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was that it was very dependent on the use of plasma, high energy plasma and also electrogravity or very high voltage electrostatic charges,
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that these were things that were used in developing these new revolutionary propulsion systems by the Nazis.
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Now, one of the people that were involved in our project paperclip,
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he wasn't in that photo, that first photo we saw of the scientists at Fort Bliss.
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They were the German rocket scientists. This gentleman, Professor Winifred Schumann,
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he was a professor at the Technical University of Munich, and his specialty was in electrophysics,
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in expert in high voltage electrostatics and rotating high energy plasma.
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He wasn't at Fort Bliss, which is where the rocket scientists were.
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The Air Force won him over at Dayton, Ohio, at their famed research facilities.
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And there you have a document showing Schumann's name amongst the German scientists,
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I requested by the Air Force to participate in the Air Force's pioneering research over there at Dayton, Ohio,
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Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, as it's known today.
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But that's where the Air Force keeps its premier facilities.
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Now, one of the things that Schumann was an expert in was in basically dealing with electrogravity,
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or what happens when you have very high electrostatic charges, you know, one side is positive, the other,
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and you have a very big charge built up and then it discharges.
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And we know that with lightning, you know, lightning flash, like the Earth is really just a giant capacitor.
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You have lightning in the upper atmosphere building up, building up, building up, getting a really big positive charge.
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And then at some point, it goes bang, and you have a lightning flash and it discharges and hits the Earth somewhere.
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You know, that's an example of the way in which a capacitor discharges.
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Well, you know, what Thomas Townsend Brown pioneered back or understood back in 1928 with his patent that was released in Britain
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was that when you have a buildup of an electrostatic charge, when it builds up greatly,
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that you actually have a force, a mysterious force that's going to move the object in the direction of that positive charge.
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So that was something Thomas Townsend Brown noticed.
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And certainly other German scientists such as Schumann would have been very aware of that.
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This one here is the most probably the important one in terms of understanding a lot of the secret space programs and the flying saucer phenomenon.
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Here you have an example of what happens when you have a high frequency rotating object that moves around at a very high RPM.
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In this case, you have a demonstration of an anti-gravity device.
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This ring of superconducting ceramic is just rotated around at 5000 RPM, which is kind of like about the speed of your car when you're going up a hill.
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Not all that great, but in that small area, what was what's noticed is that the mass is reduced.
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And that's very important because that means that there's a relationship between a torsion field or a spinning object, which creates a torsion field and mass.
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So mass, contrary to traditional Newtonian physics, can be changed.
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This is where we get into non-Newtonian physics and torsion field physics, where the more you are able to rotate things,
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the more you're going to have this kind of effect where the mass is reduced effectively.
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And later on in the presentation, we're going to be seeing what happens when you actually have plasma rotating around at, say, 40,000 RPM.
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So in terms of the traditional rocket program with NASA, they use conventional rockets.
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And we all know about the NASA space program.
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Verne von Braun was a pioneer in that.
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Verne von Braun was someone that was also very interested in building a space program, space stations for NASA.
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This was something that he was encouraging, again, using traditional rocket technologies to be able to kind of like assemble devices in space,
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as we see with this kind of depiction of a space station that von Braun had in mind back in 1952.
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The thing here, though, is that while NASA was using its rocket technologies and von Braun was speculating about what would be required in building a space station up there in space,
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something was indeed happening.
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I don't have enough time to really kind of go into the manned orbiting laboratory and how the US Air Force and the NRO,
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that's the National Reconnaissance Office in the 1960s, were involved in setting up a manned space station and the kind of parameters of that.
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But essentially, in this period, in the 1960s and the early 1970s, while NASA was doing its missions, there was a secret station, space station,
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that was built along the lines of what von Braun was arguing.
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And how do we know this?
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Well, Ronald Reagan, in his diary entries for 1985, basically recorded the following, quote, lunch with five top space scientists.
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It was fascinating.
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Space truly is the last frontier.
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And some of the developments there in astronomy, etc.
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are like science fiction, except they are real.
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I learned that our shuttle capacity is such that we could orbit 300 people.
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So that's Ronald Reagan.
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And that was recorded in 1985.
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But it only came out in 2009, 24 years after he recorded this, which in itself is very interesting.
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But notice he said the shuttle capacity could orbit 300 people.
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Well, you know, the immediate problem here is that the space shuttle program, which took off, I think it was 1981.
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That's when the first missions began up until 2011.
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It had a maximum crew of nine people, nine people.
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And then you have a schematic with the three decks that the shuttle astronauts would go to during the flight and during the launch and so forth.
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And there were five space shuttles.
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So how could five space shuttles carrying nine people put 300 people in orbit?
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I mean, that's basically a very Reagan's statement basically is telling us that there is more than just the space shuttle flying up there.
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And that rather than just going up and coming back down, that whatever is delivering astronauts up there, you can actually have 300 people up there.
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So this, I think, is what Reagan was talking about.
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This is one of the space station concepts from 1976.
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And I think like this was built.
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Ronald Reagan was talking about this kind of space station up there during the 1980s that he was aware of.
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And maybe there was one, maybe there were several, but essentially it could hold 300 people.
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And you can see that's a very, very large space station.
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There's the shuttle there giving you an idea of its size.
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So holding 300 people in that.
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Yeah, definitely very feasible.
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Well, this is where we get into, well, if there is a secret space station, how do you service it?
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What's what's going on up there?
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Well, this is where one of the whistleblowers that I think is very credible, who has a lot of information to share, is Edgar Fouché, who worked at Area 51 in Nevada.
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In 1998, he wrote this book, Alien Rapture.
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And that's when he first came out publicly at the Loughlin UFO Conference, talking about his experiences over there at Area 51,
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where he basically learned about a secret space program that was operating out of Area 51.
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So I'll talk about that.
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But first, just to kind of make clear, Fouché, unlike the majority of whistleblowers that are out there, actually has really solid credentials.
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This is a man who did have very high level appointments with the Air Force.
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As you can see there, he had a degree from one of the Air Force community colleges in avionics.
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He has a bunch of other documents that he's made available on the website.
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So certainly he's got solid credentials and some of these credentials really substantiate his claims that he worked at Area 51.
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And what he says happened at Area 51 was that he was working on advanced avionics with some of the programs there.
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But he had other people working on basically this secret space program.
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There were five other whistleblowers that he essentially forged an agreement with that all six of them would share information about their respective compartmentalized programs.
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And one of them would write about it. And that person was Fouché.
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And so this is what he wrote about. He wrote about the Aurora project.
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He talked about basically the Aurora project was the replacement for the SR-71,
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which, as I'm sure you know, the Blackbird is this supersonic aircraft.
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Its top speed was around Mach 2.5 and it became operational in the 1960s.
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And according to the Air Force, it hasn't been replaced.
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There's been no replacement for this supersonic aircraft, the SR-71.
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Well, according to Fouché, there was a replacement.
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He and his buddies, his five colleagues worked on various compartments that were related to the Aurora project.
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So you have the SR-74 and the SR-75.
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Now, the SR-75 is the larger of the two vehicles.
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It's the bottom one. It's kind of like the mothership.
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And just notice at the bottom left, you have the Air Force Signia.
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So the SR-75 is basically a U.S. Air Force plane.
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Now, it's capable of hypersonic speeds, which is Mach 5 and above.
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So it gets to Mach 5. And then when it reaches that speed, it's able to be it's able to generate.
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It becomes a platform for the SR-74, the smaller ship, which is on top of it, to basically take off.
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And it's able to reach much higher velocities.
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Basically, it can go into Earth's orbit.
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Now, the thing to take note here is on the SR-74, you see the words NRO.
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That stands for National Reconnaissance Office. So just keep that in mind.
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So the Aurora project, SR-74, 75, they have another perspective on how they look.
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And the SR-74, that can deliver equipment and resources to whatever it is, the Air Force and the NRO.
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And by the Air Force, we're talking about U.S. Air Force Space Command, what they have up in space.
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We're talking about stealth stations up there, space stations.
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So the SR-74 is what's going to be delivering equipment and making rendezvous with that.
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But it's not the only thing that the Air Force and the NRO uses to be able to travel up into these satellites,
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these stealth satellite, stealth space stations up in space.
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What we have here is this top secret nuclear powered flying triangle called the TR-3B.
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And this is really, according to Fouché, the kind of pearl, this is the jewel in the secret space program, as he knows it.
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And Fouché is convinced that this is it.
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This is the most advanced craft there is in the U.S. kind of secret space program fleet.
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And what's interesting about the TR-3B is, you notice, even though it's a triangular vehicle, it's about 600 feet across.
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In the center there, you can see there's a kind of circle, and that's where you have a ring.
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And that ring has high energy plasma circulating at speeds of 250.
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I'm just looking. Let's see.
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OK, the mercury plasma that can rotate at 60,000 rpm and that's very high atmospheric pressure there.
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So basically what that does is that you have this plasma rotating at 60,000 rpm, incredible rotation, and that basically reduces the weight.
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And remember earlier on, I was talking about Newtonian physics while mass can't be reduced in weight.
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Well, here you have this kind of revolutionary non-Newtonian physics where you have high energy plasma rotating at speeds of 60,000 rpm or above.
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And you can have weight reduced by 97 percent.
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That's what Fouché says that the weight of the TR-3B is reduced by.
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So, you know, when it's stationary, the TR-3B has a particular weight, whatever that is.
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Now, when you fire up this plasma and it's circulating in the rings, the weight of the TR-3B reduces by 97 percent.
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And so then what you have is the atomic engines kicking in.
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This is nuclear powered. So the nuclear powered engines kick in, providing the thrust.
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But now, you know, just a little bit of atomic power is going to go a long way because basically you have a 600 foot object which only weighs 3 percent of its normal weight.
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So this object can now move forward very, very rapidly and do things that defy conventional physics, like the laws of inertia, you know, don't seem to apply here because the mass is being reduced so dramatically.
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So this flying triangle can do the kind of famed thing of flying off at very high speed, doing right hand turns and so forth.
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This is all very possible because the weight is reduced for the craft and everyone in it.
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So if you're in this craft and it does a right hand turn, well, your weight is only 3 percent of what it normally is.
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So you're going to feel a negligible kind of inertial force on you because of a right angle turn.
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Whereas if you didn't have these plasma rings spinning, the plasma spinning around there, then you're the way the law of inertia would mean you just go smashing to the side of that TR3B.
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But that's that's the that's the innovation of the TR3B that it's able to use these plasma physics principles.
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So we know that this has been going on.
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You have the Belgian Flying Triangle sightings in 1989, and there you have what clearly is what looks like a TR3B as Edgar Fouché has described it.
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Now, Fouché himself didn't work on the TR3B, but his colleagues did.
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Several out of the five colleagues that shared information did work on this particular TR3B program.
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And he said that it was it was based out of an area, one of the facilities in Area 51 called Papouse Lake, which is the S4 facility that
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Bob Lazar worked out of. So that's where the TR3B is stationed, according to Edgar Fouché.
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And here you have more recently the X37B, that's a Boeing vehicle kind of using what appears to be just traditional rocket technologies.
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But its propulsion is more than just rocket technologies, because this thing can stay up in space for, I think, two years is the is the record.
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So clearly, its propulsion is is is doing something which is not related to Newtonian physics, using some kind of electrophysics,
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electro-gravitics, or using kind of high rotating plasma in some way.
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This X37B is an example of just yet another vehicle that is using revolutionary technologies to be able to stay for extended periods in outer space.
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So essentially, according to Edgar Fouché, then what you have is that you have three vehicles that are able to service the secret space stations.
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There's either the TR3B, the S74 or the X37B that these vehicles can basically get up to the secret space stations up there.
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So, you know, how do you get 300 people up into space, according to, as Ronald Reagan described?
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Well, one of these vehicles is going to be doing it according to the information that Edgar Fouché has, as well, of course, as the space shuttle.
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But that can only really deliver, you know, a small number of people at any one time.
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So essentially what we know then from the revelations of Fouché and others is that the NRO and the US Air Force runs a secret space program with stealth space stations.
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Now, the NASA program, as many people say, is really a cover for the secret space program, which is run by the US Air Force and the NRO.
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So NASA is a cover program for this other secret space program.
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Now, the thing is, according to the whistleblowers that have been recently coming forward, what they've been revealing is that the NRO, US Air Force Space Command secret space program, is also a cover program.
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So what you have is a cover program within a cover program.
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So it gets confusing, but essentially this diagram you have here is something that was released by Edward Snowden and shows how the NSA typically hides classified programs.
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If you have a very highly classified program, such as, say, the SR-74, the replacement to the SR-71 Blackbird program, you would hide that extremely compartmentalized information program beneath another less classified program.
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And here you have like Sentry Eagle being a non-ECI program, hiding a bunch of extremely compartmentalized information programs.
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So this is the terminology used by the NSA for hiding classified information, sensitive information that they use.
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But the same principle applies right across the agencies, so that with the Air Force and the NRO, you would have special access programs, which would basically be cover programs for unacknowledged special access programs, which are the more highly classified.
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So in this sense, what we then have is that NASA is a cover for the Air Force and NRO space program, which themselves are a cover for an even more highly classified program.
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So if the NRO, US Air Force space program is a cover, what's it a cover for?
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So who really runs this secret space program?
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Well, it's the Navy. So there you have the logo for the Space Enabled Warfare Systems Command, which is based out at San Diego there in California.
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And the real, and they also have a facility at Del Glenn in Virginia.
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So the real secret space program is run by the Navy.
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Now, one of the whistleblowers who's come forward to share information about this is William Tompkins.
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He basically was involved in a covert Navy program during the Second World War, where the Navy was learning about the secrets of the Nazis and in gravity space.
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There were 29 Navy spies that were embedded in Germany's top secret aerospace facilities, and they were reporting back to the Naval Air Station at San Diego to an Admiral, three captains and also Tompkins.
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And basically sharing their information.
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Well, you know, why Tompkins?
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Why was Tompkins who at the time he was about 18 years old when he first began serving in this.
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So why would Bill Tompkins be involved in a covert program where the Navy has 29 operatives in Germany sharing the information on the surface?
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The Navy has 29 operatives in Germany, sharing the information or learning, learning whatever they could about the Nazis and in gravity spacecrafts.
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Well, Tompkins had photographic memory.
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And so he had an incredible eye for detail.
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And his story, I'll be very brief.
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Essentially, what he did was that he went to the Naval shipyards in Long Island and looked at all of the Navy's battleships and aircraft carriers that in the 1930s were assembled there in Long Beach, California.
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And basically because of his memory, he was able to then reproduce these exact model replicas of these ships.
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And his father eventually started to display the ships at his department store.
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And the Navy intelligence people looked at some of these ships and said, oh, my God, you know, we've got a spy.
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Someone's releasing the information about our top secret placements on our newest class battleships and cruisers and all of the arrangements of the aircraft carriers.
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We've got to find out who this spy is.
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So anyway, so they brought Tompkins' father in for interrogation.
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And then eventually they brought Tompkins in for interrogation.
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They realized that this was just an incredibly gifted young man.
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And so Navy intelligence said, well, we want you to work for us.
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And so because of his ability to be able to photographically process a lot of information and come up with exact designs based on that and build models and replicas, he was given this top secret assignment to work on this project with the 29 Navy
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spies in Germany. So here you have his mission orders.
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And this is one of the other things about Tompkins.
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Like Fouché, he has credentials.
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Tompkins is very highly credentialed.
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He's got a lot of documents that substantiate his testimony.
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So this is someone who's really able to prove and show that he was working at the places that he claims when he says he was doing his job.
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So here you have one of the documents that Tompkins has released, which are his mission orders as a disseminator of naval aircraft research and design.
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So this document substantiates that he actually was able to take out of the top secret facilities there at the Naval Air Station in San Diego briefing packets, connecting to the naval air station.
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In San Diego briefing packets containing these very highly classified designs that Navy was learning from Germany.
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Here you have some more documents where Tompkins had these passes to travel to and from the Naval Air Station with packages signed by the commander of the Naval Intelligence Unit there and Admiral Rick Abada.
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His signature is on this document on these passes.
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And there it says the top one says he's got permission to leave with one package.
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And then the second one shows that he has permission to leave with three packages.
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So this is kind of well, this is really hard evidence that supports Tompkins claim that he had briefing packages that comprise the intelligence that he had gained or listened to from these Navy spies who had been debriefed at Naval Air Station and then carried all of that information about these.
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These of these programs that the Germans had and carried that information to the top aerospace facilities and think tanks and companies and universities throughout the United States.
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So so Tompkins basically was doing something very similar to what full of course.
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So did course.
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So was basically seeding a lot of the corporations there in Washington, D.C. with some of these extraterrestrial technologies that had been recovered and were in the possession of the army.
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So he was kind of seeding that information.
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Tompkins was doing something very similar.
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Well, before course, this was from the period from 1942 up until 1946.
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So now I'm going to get to the next whistleblower and I can mention Corey Gordon and Corey Corey's information is really amazing because he's says that he participated in a number of these secret space programs.
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Now, what I find very interesting about Corey's information is that he says that he learned a lot about the different secret space programs from these smart glass pads that were used in the secret space programs that he served from from 1987 to 2007.
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So these this sparse smart glass pad is only something that now is actually being developed.
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Probably within three, four years, we're going to start seeing basically a tablet, which is just looks like see through glass.
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But when it's activated, it becomes a glass smart glass pad.
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Well, those technologies have been used from 1987 to 2007, according to Corey Good, which kind of puts us about in the in the white world.
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That kind of puts us about 30 years behind what's going on in the black world or the classified world, which is about right, which is about what people estimate.
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Typically, things that are developed in the classified world take about 30 years to be declassified.
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So so that's so that's what we are seeing now.
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But what's interesting about Corey's information is that a lot of the information he read on the smart glass pads is very similar to the information Bill Tompkins was getting from the Navy spies.
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And it makes sense if Bill Tompkins from 1942 to 1946 was sitting in on these almost daily debriefings of these Navy spies.
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There were 29 of them coming in and out every six months from Germany, doing their debriefings over a period of a week and then going back.
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And so you had 29. So, you know, basically Tompkins says that over the over the course of four years that he sat in on around 1200 of these debriefings.
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And so all of that information was being transcribed and it went somewhere.
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It went into some repository of information for use down the road.
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And so a lot of the information that Corey Good was saying said that he was reading on the smart glass pads from 1987 to 2007.
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A lot of that is based on the information Tompkins was hearing from the from these Navy spies.
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And what's very interesting is that Good's information in my book, you've got the cover there, that came out in September of 2015.
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I looked at a lot of the information that basically was being put up by Good and examined it as much as I could with other whistleblower testimonies, other historic documents.
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And so my conclusion was that Good was authentic, is authentic and his information is accurate.
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So that was in September of 2015 of last year that my book came out.
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Tompkins, three months later, Tompkins book came out in December of 2015.
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And Tompkins was sent a copy of my book by Dr. Bob Wood, who's a colleague.
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He somehow saw my book and got a copy and read it and then sent it on to Bill Tompkins and said, look, you've got to read this.
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Have a look at this. This this is matches what you've been talking about.
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And Bill Tompkins confirmed that the information in my book, the Secret Space Program inside is a real secret space program, matches the information that he had that he had gotten.
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So this is independent corroboration for the information in that Corey Good had put forward that I'd analyzed in my book that it was accurate.
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So my book had prior to Tompkins book coming out already kind of said that while Good's information is accurate based on all these other whistleblowers and documents.
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So then three months later, Tompkins comes out and he's substantiated.
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He gives another layer of authenticity to Tompkins, to Good's revelations in my as I've analyzed them in the book.
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And as I said, Tompkins credentials are rock solid.
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And so this is to my mind, very important testimony that substantiates a lot of the information that we've got.
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Multiple secret space programs that do exist.
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So so let me get a little bit into what it was that Tompkins said that he had found out from the the Navy spies.
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Essentially, Germany had developed up to 30 prototypes, 30 different types of spacecraft that had been developed.
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And it's a long story, but very briefly you can read about it in the book or either either book, my book or Bill Tompkins talks about it a little bit in his book.
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But essentially, Nazi Germany had come across this technology in one of two ways.
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Well, there were several ways that came across.
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You know, one were the the German expeditions to get the most ancient information that was available on ancient technologies.
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So the Germans traveled to Tibet, they traveled to Peru, they traveled to Egypt.
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They went wherever they could because the German secret societies in the 1920s and 1930s, they knew that there was a lot of ancient artifacts with information about developing flying saucer craft.
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The second source for these different prototypes was one of the mediums, the German mediums and Maria Orsic.
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And that was part of the society.
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The society was an offshoot of the the society, which was kind of like male dominated German secret society.
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The society was primarily female mediums or mystics who were community communicating with extraterrestrials as they believed it.
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And and so they were communicating and they were they were given designs for different extraterrestrial craft.
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And so in the 1920s, they began developing some of these crafts.
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And according to the society, these were positive Nordic looking extraterrestrials, the Aldebrand extraterrestrials.
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So this is the kind of the stories that surround Maria Orsic.
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And Tomkins in his book, selected by extraterrestrials confirms this.
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He basically says that's exactly what happened, that the Germans were getting information from one of the positive extraterrestrial races that he describes as the Nordics through this mystic Maria Orsic and others.
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So that's that's that was another source of some of these different prototypes.
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And then the third source was a group of extraterrestrials that are generally known known as reptilians that have basically provided these flying saucer craft to the Germans that they had reached agreements with Nazi Germany under Hitler.
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It's quite a complex story, but essentially Hitler came to power in 1933.
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In 1934, he gained absolute power.
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And then he suddenly learned about the Fool and the Vril Society having these secret space programs or these prototypes.
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And basically he tried to co-opt a lot of that, but but not wasn't successful in co-opting it because the Fool Society were the ones pulling the strings behind the scene.
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This is one of the misconceptions a lot of people have about Germany, Nazi Germany.
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The thought was that Hitler was an absolute ruler.
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In a sense, he was an absolute ruler, but he was still under control of the secret societies, the Fool Society in particular, other societies, the Black Sun Society.
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These were other ones that were very prominent in pulling the strings behind the scenes with Hitler.
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But nevertheless, so essentially what Tompkins said was that in the briefings that the Navy, 29 Navy spies were delivering that they were getting intelligence on 30 different prototypes of flying saucer craft.
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So that's quite an amazing thing.
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So in 1939, we have the first Antarctic expeditions and Duncan mentioned that at the beginning.
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And then you have a clip of this expedition, which which definitely did happen.
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And this is where Tompkins says that a lot of the equipment and the know-how for building these flying saucers began being taken down to Antarctica as early as January and February of 1939.
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That was still well before the war.
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The war began in September of 39.
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So we're talking eight months before the war began.
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And then in the early 1980s, Nazi Germany was already starting to ship equipment and people down to Antarctica.
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According to the whistleblowers, the Nazis knew exactly where to go in Antarctica to find these hidden caverns, these hidden bases or to find these hidden caverns and build them up.
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And this is something that Corey Goode also says.
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But Tompkins basically says that these 29 Navy spies were reporting back to Navy intelligence that Nazi Germany was being helped by these reptilian extraterrestrials to build bases in Antarctica and that the reptilians had basically handed over told the Nazis where to go to find caverns where they could build out huge
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bases where they could then build their space program.
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So this was something that Tompkins said the Navy spies learned about in, as I said, from 42 to 46.
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And at first, the Navy intelligence people couldn't believe it, but the Navy spies were very consistent in relaying the same information.
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And then later on, as I said, Corey Goode read the same thing on the smart glass pads.
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So how could it have been done?
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Well, here you have an image of an ice-free Antarctica.
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So in the in the central portion, you can see the kind of western side.
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You see the Ross Sea on the west there.
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And then you see a kind of like a huge inlet, huge inlet portion there.
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Both sides, the side facing Antarctica, sorry, the side facing South America, the tip of South America, Argentina.
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And then on the other side, the side facing New Zealand and Australia.
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You can see entrances.
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If you were traveling to a nice free Antarctica, you would use these water passages to travel well into the Antarctic interior
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through these interior passages.
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Well, now that's an ice-free Antarctica.
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Antarctica is now, as we know, has ice sheets over it as much as two miles thick.
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But of course, those ice sheets are a cover over the landmass of Antarctica.
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And so these waterways still exist.
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They're still there.
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They're just hidden under a lot of ice.
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And so if you have a submarine, you can travel down these passageways, as I said, either coming up through South America,
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Argentina or New Zealand.
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Now, the Nazis were basically sending their submarines down there to Antarctica throughout the war from 1939 right through the war.
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They were sending huge submarines down to Antarctica filled with men and equipment.
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And here you have a document that basically shows maps of Antarctica with the instructions for the U-boat commanders
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on how to basically find these tunnels, these passageways into Antarctica,
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where the submarine would be able to go deep into the interior of Antarctica to then basically reach these huge caverns,
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which had been used before or hollowed out.
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But the Nazis basically had been directed there by this reptilian extraterrestrial race.
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And so now the Nazis were basically there in Antarctica.
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And so this now this makes sense in terms of Admiral Donitz's claim that he's boasts, really,
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that that an impregnable fortress had been developed for for Adolf Hitler.
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Well, here you have under two miles of ice, these vast caverns that were being used for these giant bases building a space program for the Nazis throughout the war.
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So this is really the critical thing.
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And this is where a lot of people have have a lot of difficulty believing that the Nazis had established a space program during the Second World War,
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because in Europe, of course, we know what happened in Europe.
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How could the Nazis have possibly developed a space program?
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Because Europe was in a state of war.
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And then towards the end, of course, you had the Russians and the Americans and the British kind of coming in from all sides,
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crushing the the Nazi regime.
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So how could there have possibly have been a space program in German occupied Europe?
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Well, no, that was not where the space program was.
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But the Nazis were developing flying saucer prototypes there for the war effort.
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But that's not where the space program was, because the Nazis had two two flying saucer programs.
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One flying saucer program was run by the SS, by him by Himmler that was based in Europe.
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And that was basically trying to develop a weaponized flying saucer that could turn the tide of the war.
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The so-called wonder weapons that Hitler hoped would be ready in time for the Germans to turn back the Allied forces.
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But the second, the real space program was happening down in Antarctica.
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This was where the flying saucer prototypes were being developed in without any interruption,
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because from from the early 1939 right up until January of 1947,
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which is an eight year period between when the when the Nazis established their first bases in Antarctica to when you had the operation high jump.
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In that whole eight year period, the Nazi bases in Antarctica were uninterrupted.
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Now, I don't know too much about this expedition involving the British.
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Maybe they were doing kind of intelligence back in 1946.
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There are rumors that Admiral Byrd actually traveled in 1946 to Antarctica in January, a top secret mission to Antarctica.
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I asked William Tompkins about this because this is information I got secondhand and said,
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well, did you hear about Admiral Byrd going down to Antarctica in 1946 to negotiate with the Nazis?
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He said, yes, that actually did happen.
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He went down there, but the Nazis just said, no, we're not interested.
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Go away, get lost.
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And so so because of that, then the Navy decided that they would send a naval armada down there the next year.
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But anyway, so this is very important to understand that Antarctica was where the German secret space program was concentrated.
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So the Nazi secret space program, they got to the moon.
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The Nazis, they got to Mars.
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The 1940s, the Germans established the first colonies on Mars, which again sounds incredible.
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But that is what the information William Tompkins got that Corey Goode has.
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And I think it's very credible.
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And there are other whistleblowers that have also talked about facilities on Mars as well that we do have bases up there now.
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But all this began with the German secret space program from the 1940s.
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Of course, you had Operation Highjump.
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There you have the flagship, the USS Philippine Sea, fully loaded.
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According to William Tompkins, there were three aircraft carriers that were part of the battle group that they sailed from three different directions.
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Three battle groups, Navy battle groups that went down there to Antarctica.
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And according to Tompkins, this is what happened.
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This is what happened.
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They just got pummeled by the German flying saucers that were located down there in Antarctica.
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According to Tompkins, all of the Navy aircraft were destroyed.
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And the naval armada was allowed to turn back.
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They could have easily have destroyed the whole thing.
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But the point was that the German secret space program, they weren't intent on destroying the US Navy's armada.
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What they wanted to do was to just give it a bloody nose and say that, you know, you can't touch us and in time we'll be ready to negotiate.
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So this was, of course, Operation Highjump in 1947.
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1952, fast forward a few years, you have the famed Washington flyover.
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Now, most people assume that the time that these were interplanetary craft.
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Well, according to William Tompkins information, according to Corey Goods information and according also to another whistleblower, another very well credentialed person, Clark McClelland, who was a spacecraft operator for NASA for a number of years.
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And prior to that was had a long career.
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I think it was around three decades with different NASA contractors where he extensively had discussions with various German scientists matching many of the things that I've said so far.
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And according to McClelland as well, what the German paperclip scientists were telling him was that in 1952, those flying sources that did the overfly of Washington, D.C., were actually Nazi flying sources.
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So basically what happened was that the Truman and the Eisenhower administrations were forced to reach agreements with this breakaway Nazi group down in Antarctica, who then proceeded to infiltrate the U.S. military industrial complex.
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And the Nazis already had approximately 1500 project paperclip scientists embedded in the U.S.'s kind of leading think tanks and aerospace industries and the rocket program.
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These were run by Nazi scientists.
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Kurt de Boeufs was the director of the Kennedy Flight Center.
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And of course, Wernher von Braun, everyone kind of associates him as the kind of father of the Apollo program.
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So it was Nazis that were running the NASA space program.
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And that was just the kind of the tip of the iceberg that the Nazis had infiltrated on various levels, the U.S. military industrial complex.
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And they were able to get exert full control over it as the years went by because of project because of the Nazi flyover of Washington, D.C.
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And previously in 1947 with Operation High Jump, the Nazis had demonstrated that their secret space program in Antarctica had sufficiently advanced technologies to obliterate the U.S. military.
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So Truman and Eisenhower were forced to negotiate and they did.
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They negotiated.
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And the important thing is that there were many people in the U.S. military industrial complex that were very happy to cooperate with the Nazis because during the 1930s,
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it was many of the corporations in the U.S. that had actually facilitated the rise of the Nazi regime.
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And in particular, the Dulles brothers, Alan Dulles was the director of the CIA from 1953 right up until 1961.
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Dulles was the one that organized many of the agreements with Nazi Germany during the Second World War and after the Second World War when he was heading the CIA.
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So Dulles was very comfortable negotiating with the Nazis.
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His brother, John Foster Dulles, was the secretary of state.
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And when he was working as a high powered corporate lawyer during the 1930s, he also had done extensive deals with the Nazis in facilitating contracts between Nazi corporations and American corporations.
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So the U.S. military was able to get a lot of support from the Nazis.
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So the U.S. military industrial complex were very happy to work side by side with the Nazis in building really an integrated space program behind the scene
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where the U.S. military industrial complex would help the Nazis space program down in Antarctica.
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So that's when it began in the 50s.
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From 1951 to 1960, the U.S. military industrial complex was very happy to work side by side with the Nazis in building really an integrated space program behind the scene
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From 1951 to 1963, Bill Tompkins worked at the Douglas Aviation Company.
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And there was a think tank there called Advanced Design where UFOs and anti-gravity technology was studied for the designs of future U.S. Navy space battle groups.
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So on the one hand, you have the U.S. military complex working with the Nazi space program down in Antarctica.
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Both sides were trying to, according to Bill Tompkins, both sides were trying to outsmart each other.
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The Eisenhower administration thought, well, if we work with the Nazis, we'll learn about their space program that they have down there in Antarctica and we'll build our own.
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And the Nazis were thinking, well, you know, we'll co-op the U.S. military industrial complex.
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You know, they got a very large population, a massive technological infrastructure will co-op that for our space program.
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So both sides tried to outsmart the other, but at the end, the Nazis were more successful, according to Tompkins and others.
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So according to Tompkins, the Navy was the chief branch of the U.S. military that was developing an indigenous U.S. secret space program.
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So from 1951 to 63, he worked at this think tank called Advanced Design out of Douglas Aviation Company.
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And there you have a document, one of the documents that Tompkins has supplied.
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And there you have the memo has a to it's to this gentleman called Elmer Wheaton.
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And I'll mention him again later. So that's why I'm raising that now.
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So it's directed to him and it concerns the investigations in the Douglas Company into the flying source of UFO Phenom because they wanted to learn about any gravity technology.
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So that's that document shows that the Douglas Aviation Company was studying any gravity technologies in the 1950s, as Tompkins was saying.
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And Tompkins says that this unit called Advanced Design was where he was working.
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It was highly classified within Douglas.
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So within the Douglas Corporation, you had your traditional engineering, which was developing Navy fighter planes.
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But then you had this classified engineering division called Advanced Design.
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So this is what Tompkins said he was designing in for for the Douglas and for the US Navy.
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You got these naval spacecraft battle cruisers.
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And you've got these naval spacecraft carriers.
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Now, the thing that keep in mind is that what distinguishes the Navy from the Air Force is that the thinking of the Navy is all about building battle groups.
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The Navy doesn't think about building one ship.
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You know, their experience is about building integrated battle groups where you have a carrier.
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Then you have your destroyers.
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You have your cruisers and you have support craft, surveillance craft and so forth that are all part of this integrated battle group that this is the way in which the Navy projects its power all over the all over the globe.
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And so the same idea was what the Navy wanted to do for space.
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And so they got Tompkins who understood better than anyone how a Navy battle group operates.
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Tompkins, as I said from the 1930s as a young as a teenager, was studying naval battle groups.
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And he was an expert on it.
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And then he sat in on the debriefings, the Navy spies learned about what the Germans were up to.
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And then with his work at advanced design in building or designing any gravity craft, the Navy approached Tompkins and basically asked him and his bosses there at Douglas to develop these battle groups.
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And so this is what Tompkins was doing through throughout the 1950s into the 1960s.
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Now, the problem was that, as I said earlier, was as the same time as the Navy was developing its own indigenous space program, you had the Nazis had co-opted and infiltrated the US military industrial complex, including the Douglas Aircraft Company.
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Tompkins in his book describes the industrial sabotage at at Douglas, the Douglas Company, how leading engineers that were involved in designing these any gravity craft or these breakthrough technology projects, these engineers would disappear.
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They'd be reassigned.
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Documents would go missing.
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All kinds of spanners were thrown into the into these projects.
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So eventually what happened was that the person Tompkins boss, Elmer Wheaton, he eventually left.
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He left Douglas in 1962 and went over to Lockheed Skunk Works to head up their program and to basically get Lockheed launched into into this field of developing these any gravity craft, because basically Douglas had been successfully infiltrated by people,
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Nazi scientists and Tompkins talked about some of these people and how they just made it almost impossible for Douglas to achieve anything.
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And Douglas himself around the same time, he Wheaton left Douglas.
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Tompkins himself began experiencing problems where they tried to sack him at first and then eventually in 1963, the new management at Tompkins second because they didn't want anything to do with developing these any gravity craft.
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They just said, you know, that Tom that Douglas Aviation should put all its energies into developing rocket technologies for the NASA program.
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Of course, as we know, the NASA program is a cover.
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So why would you put all your resources into into a cover program unless you didn't want the real space program to go forward?
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So that's exactly what was going on.
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This was Nazi industrial sabotage and it held and it slowed the Navy space program by decades, according to Tompkins.
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But nevertheless, eventually the Navy was able to achieve its deploy its space battle groups and the first space battle groups began became operational in 1984.
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And according to Bill Tompkins, there were eight of these space battle groups that the Navy space battle groups were operating on the same principle as a normal aircraft carrier group operates.
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That is, you kind of have a rotation. So you would have four space battle groups operational at any one time and another four being serviced.
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And that way you're able to maintain a kind of round the clock deployment of these space battle groups around the solar system.
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So according to Tompkins, the Navy had a very ambitious program for establishing its space fleets out there to basically protect or to monitor space traffic to and from our solar system.
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So the thing was, OK, now you have a space battle group. You've got eight of these space battle groups.
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How are you going to man them? How are you going to get personnel?
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If these space battle groups go on these deep space missions, you know, how are you going to get personnel to do that?
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You can't do it as the traditional way in which the Navy recruits personnel where you typically have like a like a four year assignment or a six year assignment.
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You know, that would be very inefficient because by the time you train these people to be able to perform these highly complex space missions, their assignments would be just about over.
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And then you have to train new people and then you have to deal with security with these people going back because these are, of course, very highly classified programs.
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How do you deal with it? Well, they were able to get some help.
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Well, again, this was something that the Nazis had pioneered.
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But eventually what the Navy did was that they came up with their own program of a 20 year and back term of duty.
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So so this is where you have this idea of 20 and back secret space programs where you have personnel who are recruited for 20 years.
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They do a 20 year tour of duty and at the end of that tour of duty, they return back home.
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Well, 20 years is a long time. A lot of people will say, well, you know, I can't go away for 20 years.
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I'll miss my family and all sorts of things. I want to watch my kids grow up or whatever it is.
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I don't want to do that. Well, there was a solution through advanced technology.
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They came up with this idea of a 20 year and back program that would be based on principles of age regression and time travel so that you serve your 20 years in these these eight space battle fleets.
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They were all over the space, all over the solar system.
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You serve your 20 years at the completion of that 20 years. You have an option.
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You can continue to serve and become Korea or you can go back.
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If you go back, you're told, well, what's going to happen?
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You're going to be regressed in age.
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You're going to basically be sent back in time to 20, 20 years when you began.
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So only minutes after you left to join the program, you're going to be returned back to that time looking the same.
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And you're going to have your memories wiped so you don't remember anything.
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But we'll look after you. You know, you'll have a pension and all of that.
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And you'll have perks. You'll be looked after.
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So those are the promises that were made. But this was the program that was put in place.
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So age regression. Well, is age regression possible?
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Well, now you have many scientists, world scientists.
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There's a famous Australian scientist out of Sydney who has worked at MIT, who's a pioneer in age regression.
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That basically through restoring the telomeres in the cells, you can actually have age regression.
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So this is technology, which is white world technology.
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So and as I said earlier, so if anything in the white world that's announced, you can be sure that that was developed at least 30 years earlier in the black world.
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Well, it's kind of not quite right. In this case, it's probably closer to like 50 years because according to Bill Tompkins, he worked on age regression technology when he was at TRW from 1967 to 1971.
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So in those four years, he was helping TRW, which was heavily involved.
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TRW was eventually brought out by Northrop Grumman, which was heavily involved in the building of these Navy space battle groups.
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And the key thing here is that the solution in terms of how do you get personnel to serve these extended tours of duty, that problem would be solved through this pioneering technology of age regression.
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So this was done at TRW and Tompkins said that they were successful and that some of this technology was replicating what had been earlier in the black world.
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What had been earlier done by the Nazis and that was also kind of providing provided by a group of Nordic extraterrestrials.
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So the Nordic extraterrestrials also have similar kinds of technologies, which is why you have a lot of these stories about these Nordic beings who can kind of live like a thousand years or more.
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Some of the contact these report. Well, according to Tompkins, this was actually happening that these Nordic extraterrestrials were helping.
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They first helped the Nazis. Then when they were kind of pushed out by this group of reptilian extraterrestrials, then the Nordic extraterrestrials began helping the Navy, the US Navy.
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And so they assisted in terms of some of these pioneering technologies like age regression.
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So we have three case studies, three people who say that they have been through this process of age regression.
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The first one that came to my attention was Michael Ralph.
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Michael Ralph. This was back in 2000 and around 2000 and he his book came out in 2000.
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But I learned about him back in around 2003, 2004. I didn't quite know what to make of this story.
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It was an incredible story. But basically his story was that in 1976, shortly after he had joined the US Navy, he was recruited into this Mars Defense Force.
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So you can follow the timeline there. You know, the first part of the timeline is you have these gray extraterrestrials altering his genetics.
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So starting at the bottom left hand, follow the arrows. 1976, he joins the US Navy.
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He's recruited into the Mars Defense Force. He begins a tour of duty on Mars in 1976, travels there through this jump gate technology, serves on Mars for 20 years.
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He becomes he works there as a kind of psychic assassin, a remote viewing as a space pilot as well.
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At the end of his 20 years, he comes back. He has sent back in time after age regression.
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His memories are wiped and then he leaves a normal 20 years again.
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So it's like he's lived 20 years twice. So from 1976 now in his normal Earth timeline, the very bottom, you see from 1982, six years later, he gets an honorable discharge from the Navy.
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1996, he begins clearing sessions with his wife, an Australian, Stephanie Ralph. And then in the year 2000, he publishes the Mars record.
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The second whistleblower is Randy Kramer. I first came I first met Randy in 2014.
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He approached me and had this incredible story to share.
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And I put that out on on YouTube.
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And that was the first time Randy Kramer came out into the public arena.
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And he had an incredible story again revolving around this idea of a 20 and back secret space program to tour of duty for 20 years.
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So his his story begins his age five.
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He part of this program called Operation Moonshadow 1987.
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He's recruited into the Mars Defense Force, basically the same thing as Michael Ralph.
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He's taken to moon to the moon by a spacecraft.
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So this is 1987. Michael Ralph was taken by a jump gate in 1976.
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1987, he's taken there by a spacecraft.
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So remember earlier I said that the Navy's Battle Freaks became operational in 1984.
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Well, this would help. This kind of fits into that timeline.
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So 1987, he's now traveling on the Navy's spaddle, one of their spacecraft to Mars.
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He begins a tour of duty on Mars with the Mars Defense Force.
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He serves for 17 years as a basically as a Marine, a space Marine on Mars.
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And then he spends the last three years as a pilot on this Nordalist class spacecraft carrier, as he describes it as a fighter pilot.
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And then he completes his 20 year tour of duty in 2007.
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He sent he sent back in time after age regression.
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And now he lives the whole 20 years again.
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In 2006, he starts getting some memories of what what happened.
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He has an interview as an as an anonymous whistleblower.
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Just he has an email interviewer with this website called Surfing the Apocalypse in 2006.
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In 2007, he has what he describes as total recall of memories.
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And then in 2014, he has his first interviews as Captain Kay with me, where he's talking about his all all of his experiences.
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So Craner was the first to reveal the lunar operations command is a secret space program and extraterrestrial diplomatic hub.
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That there's this base there on the moon and that there are actually multiple bases on the moon run by different space programs.
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And the graphic you have there is basically this the the base of the dark fleet or the or the the Nazi space program that that was eventually basically integrated into the military industrial complex.
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So that's the the space base belonging to that particular space program.
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But the program that Craner belonged to and that also Michael Ralph belonged to were a different program.
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They were associated with the with the Navy space battle groups.
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One of the things that Tom can sit, which kind of helps substantiate what what Craner was talking about about the about the moon being this kind of diplomatic hub for different space programs and extraterrestrial civilizations was that the Apollo 11 astronauts were basically when they landed there on the moon.
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This is what they were met with that you have the the the the Sea of Tranquility was lined by these huge space battle cruisers who they belong to.
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Tompkins wasn't sure. But he says that he was in the Kennedy Space Center at the time, which was run by Kurt de Boss.
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And as I said, one of the former Nazi scientists and Kurt de Boss was very friendly with Bill Tompkins and was also very friendly with our Clack McClelland.
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And Tompkins has a document actually showing that he was part of the group that helped design the launch facility for the Kennedy Space Center.
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And then at that same time that the Apollo missions were occurring, Tompkins was working for TRW from 1967 to 1971.
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Well, TRW was one of the leading contractors for NASA missions.
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And so so that again is documentation that Tompkins has the substantiate that he was in the control center of the Kennedy Space Center and actually saw this.
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This is what he saw.
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Because many of you are probably aware of the radio ham intercepts.
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Timothy Goode in Above Top Secret, he cited a lot of these ham radio intercepts of what Armstrong and Aldrin really saw in the moon where Armstrong said,
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Well, you know, they're huge ships out there lining the crater, lining the craters there, and they're kind of staring at us and we're not alone.
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Well, you know, those are ham radio intercepts that occurred during the so-called two minutes of silence.
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I'm sure many of you have read that or familiar with that.
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Because Timothy Goode made that worldwide when he interviewed a number of people.
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And there are a number of authors such as Maurice Chatelaine, who wrote a book.
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Maurice Chatelaine was one of the people that was he was the head of the communications for the Kennedy Space Center.
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He was running the communication systems and he also heard this as well.
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So that was more corroboration of these ham radio intercepts where Armstrong was talking about this.
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But this was what Tompkins saw on the video live video feed.
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So that's quite unique to Tompkins.
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He's the first one to actually come from the United States to actually see this.
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So now we have Corey Goode.
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And Corey Goode mentioned a few times and he also had he describes a similar process of time travel age regression.
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So for him, he has a my lab experience of the time travel age regression.
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And he also has a my lab experience of the time travel age regression.
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So for him, he has a my lab experience at the age of eight, sorry, at the age of six.
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Then in 1986, he's taken from home at age 16.
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He's put through a physical enhancement because he's a little too small as a 16 year old.
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So somehow they kind of age progressing or do something.
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So he gets bigger.
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So he gets bigger.
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And so then now at the age 17, he's taken to lunar operations command in 1987, which incidentally is the same time that Tompkins,
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so sorry, that Randy Kramer was taken to lunar operations command in 1987.
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So it's possible that they were there at lunar operations command at the same time being inducted into separate branches of the secret space programs.
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So Corey Good begins his tour of duty with the solar warden program in 1987.
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He's an intuitive empath.
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He's then reassigned to other secret space programs as an intuitive empath.
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And you can see that the top line there covering those years.
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And then in 2007, at the very top, he completes his 20 year tour of duty with the secret space programs.
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So once again, you have the age regression technology used.
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He's sent back in time and then his memories of wiped.
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So now he's 1986.
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It's 1986.
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He's basically being returned back in time.
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Now, the thing about Corey Good, what makes him different to the two other whistleblowers that I've spoken about, Michael Ralph and Randy Kramer,
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is that according to Corey, he says that he remembered everything that not quite everything he says that he remembered about.
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70 percent of what happened to him that he never lost his memories.
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Whereas Michael Ralph and Corey Good, sorry, Michael Ralph and Randy, both of them, the age regression.
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So the mind wiping technology worked on them.
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And it was only after a decade or more that they began to get memories start reemerging.
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Well, for Corey Good, he never forgot them all.
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And then as the years progressed, he remembered them all.
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So now in 2011, he's starting to suffer some post traumatic stress because he's remembering everything he experienced.
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And as he said, he did some things that were not very nice, very disturbing.
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And so he was kind of like emotionally damaged because of this.
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So in 2011, he meets a group of extraterrestrials called the Blue Avians.
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And then they put him in touch with another group of extraterrestrials that belong to this Mayan secret space program.
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I don't talk about you can read about that in my book where I talk about the main secret space program that dates back to many centuries that the Mayans actually didn't just disappear.
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But they developed their own space program.
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That's where they went.
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They went to the stars.
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They didn't disappear into the Amazon jungles.
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So anyway, so Corey Good is contacted by these Mayans and they have developed very advanced technologies that kind of help people who have been abused in some way.
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And so they help him so that he can kind of like deal with his post traumatic stress and deal with this with his memories of having done some really nasty things when he served on the secret space program.
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Then in September, October 2014, he emerges first as using the pseudonym goody T times S.G.
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S.G., which was really just a kind of variation on on his the term that he was using at the time, which was his second name, good Texas State Guard.
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That's what those initials stand for.
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TXSG is Texas State Guard.
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So good Texas State Guard because he served with the Texas State Guard.
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So 2015, he's now appointed as the delegate for the sphere being alliance.
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And basically the sphere being alliance.
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This is an advanced group of extraterrestrials using the kind of topology that's developed by Mitchell Kaku.
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We call him a type three civilization.
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So so he's been appointed their delegate in 2015 to basically sit in on these different space program negotiations that are being conducted.
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So really what we have here, according to these different whistleblowers is at least three different types of sanctioned secret space program disclosures.
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The first one is Randy Kramer, who says that he belongs to this special section of the U.S. Marine Corps, just the U.S. MCSS that authorized him that told him to come forward and basically, I guess, contact me back in 2014 and and disclose what was going on.
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And so he did that.
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And now the rest is history.
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He's now very public figure and doing a lot of interviews.
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But he says that he is in communication with his chain of command who have told him to come forward.
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The second secret space program section, a sanction program is Corey Good.
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He's working with a secret space program alliance, which is a consortium of different groups that come from various space programs who are now allied together to combat a common foe, which is the the Nazi Reptilian space program that combined itself with the military industrial complex to form another more powerful space program.
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That could describe just the interplanetary corporate conglomerate, which trades with as many as 900 different extraterrestrial races, which is incredible.
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But you'll find information for that in my book.
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So good basically has been given the go ahead from this secret space program alliance.
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And then finally, the third sanctioned space program is Bill Tompkins that the U.S. Navy has authorized him to come forward.
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And on the back of his book, selected by extraterrestrials, you have this testimonial by him where he says in 2001, he called on Admiral Hugh Webster, the Navy League corporate director, who basically told Bill, you know, Bill, tell it all.
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This is most important to our country. Don't leave anything out.
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So there you have the Navy and Admiral giving Tompkins the go ahead.
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And since that time, I've contacted two Navy officers have written that up on my website.
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Expo politics dot org.
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You can find you find that there where there's an article dealing with the Navy League special projects and two Navy officers retired have confirmed Bill Tompkins actually was running the special projects out of the Navy League from 1985 to 1999 that was dealing with extraterrestrials.
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And they said that Tompkins is very credible.
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So there you have it.
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All a lot of that is in the book inside is a real secret space programs.
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There's more on my website in terms of articles that you can learn about.
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And I will actually be traveling down to Australia as as was mentioned.
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Duncan mentioned I am going to have relatives there in Australia.
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And it looks like very shortly either today or in the next few days, I'm going to be a granddad.
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So it's quite a milestone.
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So I'm sure some of you have been through that.
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So I'm pretty excited by it.
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So so thank you.
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I did want to say that Michael, the case number one, the Michael Ralph case, I actually was able to investigate some of that in the in the late 90s.
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I was invited to speak at one of Dean Stony's Global Science Congresses.
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It was in Florida.
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And Dr. Ralph used to come to all our Nexus conferences right at the very beginning.
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She was one of like our external support team.
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So I know Stephanie quite well.
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And she moved to America and married Michael.
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The only thing I want to say to you is that the information there, as Michael mentioned, was Michael Ralph did not consciously remember all this until until it was teased out of him.
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The only hesitation I have in trusting Michael's case so much is that Stephanie was very involved with the Scientologists and the technology she used to get Michael's story out was the E meter.
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And some people have problems with the accuracy of that because a lot of the a lot of the information you elicit using an E meter is subject to interpretation by the questioner.
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And somewhere at home in my archives, I've got thousands of pages of the actual questions and responses that Stephanie and Michael did,
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which are interesting reading. I'm not saying it's all rubbish, but I'm just saying be aware of how information is obtained.
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On the case of Corey Good, I met with Yerka Rissevie, who owns Guyam.
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And this was about a year ago. And I was sitting in his office and I said, we were talking about a lot of this stuff.
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And I said, Yerka, I said, you've really committed to backing Wilcock interviewing Corey Good.
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I said, you know, you guys must have sat down and come to a decision that you feel comfortable with what Corey Good is saying.
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And Yerka said, yeah, I've got all my skeptical, you know, executive people.
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We sat down and we grilled Corey six ways to Sunday from every possible direction, trying to catch him out on an inconsistency, a vagueness, something which didn't gel.
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And no matter how much time they spent with him, he absolutely held a consistent logical story.
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And most of the people at Guyam are not sure what to believe in terms of the details, but they're happy to believe that Corey actually believes all of this.
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And it's the same with many of the whistleblowers. I know, as you have found, I remember Al Beelick was one of those cases.
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Incredible story. But without a doubt, Al Beelick believed it actually happened, you know, all the way through.
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There was never a question of doubt. So you've got to, you can't really deny someone's experience in this reality.
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If someone comes to you and claims to you their experience, I'm never going to deny it.
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I might not agree with their conclusions of it or their interpretation of it, but I can never deny someone else's experience.