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Okay, the next speaker happens to be another personal friend of mine.
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He probably has written, he's probably the second most prolific article writer for Nexus
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after Cheryl Selman, I would say.
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We've published more of his articles than anyone except for Cheryl.
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A couple of times a year I have the good fortune to be able to go over to Amsterdam where I
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do networking with other Nexus offices.
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For those who aren't aware, Nexus is now published and translated in French, Italian, Greek,
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Polish, Serbian, Croatian, Romanian, Russian.
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There's a couple more, I've forgotten.
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And a bit of luck will be in Spanish soon, I'll tell you more about that as it happens.
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And so, we've got a German one, I beg your pardon, we've got German as well.
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Yep, I told you there's a few more.
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But anyway, one of the people I always make sure is at these networking meetings in the
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dark and dingy cafes and places of Amsterdam is our next speaker.
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And he and David Childress, who many of you know, other researchers and writers from around
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Europe, we all sit together, we swap information and gossip and compare notes and learn about
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new things.
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And I always make sure our next speaker, Philip Coppens, is there because he's a mind of
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information on a wide range of topics.
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He started his career as an investigative journalist, mainly in the area of conspiracies,
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intelligence agencies, geopolitics.
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As time has gone on, I've noticed he's been far more prolific in the areas of alternative
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archaeology is what we'd call it, anomalous archaeology.
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He's co-authored a pretty well-known, well, sorry, a principal researcher for a very well-known
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book called The Stargate Conspiracy.
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Many of you may have been aware of that.
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He's also written a book called The Stone Puzzle of Roslin Chapel, The Canopus Revelation,
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and more recently, Land of the Gods.
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I think we've got quite a few copies of some of those back there.
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Basically, he is into it.
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He's active, he's always researching, travelling around talking, and he's churns out almost
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an article a week on the Daily Grail website, I reckon.
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So please give him a big warm Australian Nexus Conference.
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Welcome Philip Coppens.
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Can somebody count how often I'm going to hit one of these, please?
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And if I don't hit it once, I'm going to hit it at the end.
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Right.
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First bit of technology.
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Right.
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There we go.
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There are flyers for the book, The New Pyramid Age, because for some reason it doesn't seem
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to have made its way to Australia.
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You can get it on the flyer, it says you can get it in any bookshop, that's any UK or US
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bookshop, but you must have chains of bookstores like Borders, and they must be able to get
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it if you don't want to buy it over the internet.
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On the internet, you can get it via Amazon and OBooks Direct.
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The other two books are there.
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And actually, The New Pyramid Age is a bit of a bizarre book because it's one of those
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books I didn't want to write.
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The other two books I actually wanted to write.
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And so The New Pyramid Age is a book which I didn't know what was going to be in until
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I started writing it, which is actually almost kind of like giving birth to something because
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most of the time you know what you're going to write in a book.
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And it's been a very interesting journey because the title of the book is called The
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New Pyramid Age because since largely 1994 with Robert Boval's The Orion Mystery, it
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didn't cause it, but it was at the start of a complete new era of pyramids being discovered,
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information of pyramids existing somewhere being found, such as in China.
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And pyramids which were known for hundreds of years being reinterpreted.
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It's largely passed by without us noticing it.
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It's parcel bit by bit.
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And the talk of the lecture pyramid in Europe, I called it to no longer exclude its continent,
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but actually this morning I thought it should be called the little continent that could
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because Europe is finally getting some pyramids of its own.
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So I'm going to start with probably the most famous pyramid of all in Europe, and it's
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in France.
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And the reason why it's famous is because of that.
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Now even though I'm the principal researcher of the Stargate conspiracy, I'm also a contributing
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researcher to the Templar Revelation, which Dan Brown said was the main inspiration for
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the Da Vinci Code.
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However, I will say that anything Dan Brown used from that book to create the novel has
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got nothing to do with what I had to do with the book.
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So I'm completely innocent, though in this audience there are probably not that many
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religious fundamentalists who would want to cheat me for that.
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The Da Vinci Code is a very popular book, and actually by putting this slide in I began
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to realize that actually it confirms perfectly to what we would call the pyramid template.
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Pyramids to everybody brings up ideas of tombs.
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And what Dan Brown has done with the Louvre pyramid, because that's the pyramid we're
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talking about, he has made it into the pyramid, the grave, the tomb of Mary Magdalene, which
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may be another reason why by him tapping into very archetypal imagery his book has become
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so popular.
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However, the pyramid was the idea of the guy standing next to the Mona Lisa, Francois
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Mitterrand, French President, and a man who was nicknamed the Sphinx.
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Some say he was nicknamed the Sphinx for his nose, but more interestingly he was a man
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who was extremely interested in Egypt, and certain Egyptologists said that he actually
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knew much more about Egypt than they ever could.
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He is a man who was able to transform the Paris landscape into something which is very
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enigmatic and for people who will go to my website, the current article, the latest
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article on there, is about something which he did which is called the major axis, lax
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majeure, and it's a completely bypassed aspect of Paris simply because it sits just outside
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of the center.
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What he's done there is absolutely phenomenal.
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I'm not going to go into it, but it's kind of like out of this world what they've tried
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to accomplish there.
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The Louvre pyramid is his best known, but it's perhaps also the least enigmatic of them.
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Dan Brown has said that there are 666 glass panels in that pyramid.
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Unfortunately there are 673, which is close, but in symbolism you don't get the cigar
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until you're spot on.
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So unfortunately that's too bad.
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Anyway, France does have a genuine proper pyramid, and I'll give you a world exclusive
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at the end of telling you something about it.
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And it's this one.
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It's very small.
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But for those people who ever read Maurice Chatelain's Our Cosmic Ancestors, Maurice
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Chatelain being from Flandre, and before he went to work for NASA on the Apollo space
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project, he obviously knew about the mysteries of France, and so he included this very small
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pyramid.
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It's very small.
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It is 5 to 6.5 meters, and you've all gone metric, so that's no problem for you guys.
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And it sits on a hillside above La Bastide on a very small place called Falicon, which
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is close to Nice, which is close to Monaco and Cannes in the south of France along the
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Mediterranean coast.
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On a detailed map, the site is not marked as a pyramid, but as the Grotte de Rata Pignata,
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which should translate as the cave of the bats, or the bat cave.
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This is an older photograph, and you can see how this was taken in late 1960s, perhaps
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early 1970s.
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The other photograph is obviously more recent, and you can see how quickly it has been declining
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in state, and this is unfortunately something which was the result of the fact that the
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French government had no interest in this pyramid at all.
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And so we know extremely next to nothing about this pyramid.
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We do know, however, certain things.
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One of the first people who started to talk about it was a guy called John Ward Perkins,
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and he believed that the pyramid was actually of Egyptian origin, and he believed that
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it might have been the tomb of an ancient chieftain, possibly an Egyptian who had gone
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into exile.
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Unfortunately, there is no evidence to substantiate that.
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The upper section of the pyramid, which you can still largely see on this slide, is now
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missing, but the lower section has been preserved.
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And because the lower section is preserved, what you can see somewhat on this slide is
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that the entrance is still in existence, and so you can enter into this pyramid.
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And the pyramid is extremely well known with the local fire brigade for the following
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reasons.
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The pyramid literally sits on top of a cave, and you enter the cave via this pyramid.
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The entrance to the cave is so small that only one person at a time can pass, and you
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then lower yourself into the cave.
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Now, the descent into this cave is very simple and easy, if you know how to descend into
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the cave, but the ascent is extremely difficult because inside the cave there's actually
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a horizontal ridge, which hardly anybody, unless you're an expert caver with the proper
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material to go in, can conquer.
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So the local fire brigade often has to go up there with a winch and winch people out.
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So that's how it works.
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Now, when it was discovered in the, well not discovered, when it was documented in
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the around 1900s, something very interesting was noted.
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In 1898, so two years before 1900, the first proper excavation occurred by a professor,
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Jean Robert Salissard, and the end result was a report of 657 pages and 174 illustrations.
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And he said that there was a main room in this cave which ran into three tunnels, which
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continued for, and I quote, a considerable distance.
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But when a speleologist called Jules Gave visited the site in 1901, three years later,
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he found that all of these tunnels had been blocked.
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What happened between the first and the second expedition in there, nobody knows.
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Perhaps it was for health and safety reasons, perhaps it was for something else.
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The pyramid became more famous in 1976 when it began to look more like this.
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And it was an author, Henry Brock, who wrote a book about it.
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And he argued that the pyramid was actually built on top of land which belonged to the
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Knights Templar.
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And he wondered whether the Knights Templar might have somehow gotten hold of information
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on how to build pyramids and apply this in the south of France.
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Now, various authors have then gone on.
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And in short, it's now known that the land was not owned by the Knights Templar.
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The Knights Templar did own land very nearby.
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However, other researchers, specifically a French person called Jean Caron, had access
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to family documents of a family which was called De Rode and which were a noble family.
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And he found that in their story, there was talk of a treasure as well which belonged
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to the family.
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And unfortunately, he was never able to find anything more of it.
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So we know very little about what this may be.
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It's not been dated.
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The government has not shown any interest.
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And we have to rely on some photographs, some amateur drawings, such as the one on the
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right, of what might have happened.
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However, we do know, for example, that in 1922, so relatively recently, Etienne Gotland
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settled in Félicon and he began to use the pyramid as the center of a cult.
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And of interest is that he also made some observations.
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And I'll just give them to you, even though they have not been confirmed by anybody else.
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But he said that the structure had been built and that the site of the pyramid, but not
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the pyramid itself, had been involved with certain astronomical alignments and that the
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date he got for that was 4,335 years before him making the observation, or 2,413 BC, which
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would put it largely contemporaneous with the pyramid age.
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We don't know.
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The most popular theory about this pyramid is that it might have something to do with
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the cult of Mitrus.
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Mitrus was a very popular cult and by one of the flip of the coins, if the coin had
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flipped differently, we would not have been raised Christian, but we would have been
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raised as an adherent of the cult of Mitrus.
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Some might argue what's the difference.
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The cult of Mitrus was known to be very popular.
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As the Roman Empire spread, it's gone as far north as Adrian's Wall.
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And it is a cult which was practiced in subterranean territories.
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This is one example of what the Mitrus site looks like.
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I think that's one actually the one in Rome.
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And it is a possibility that indeed, from what was found inside the pyramid, that this
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might have been something to do with this.
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Because what they found inside the cave, the Bat Cave, was a series of small steps
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and an altar.
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And you may think that there were a lot of cults in the past who used altars, but the
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most prominent cult who used altars was actually the Mitrus cult.
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So that's a possibility.
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Now the world exclusive is that this morning I was checking my email and I was told, I
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am also co-editing a French magazine and we ran an article on the pyramid about a year
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ago or something.
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And as a result of that, the French government has now decided to incorporate the pyramid
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into the French cultural patrimonium.
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And Falikon is going to celebrate this next weekend.
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They're going to celebrate it three days.
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So that was quite good.
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Now Canary Islands, even though they're not officially based I think in Europe, they're
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in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean more than anywhere else, officially still qualify
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as Europe.
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So I'm conquering them as Europe and I'll talk to them about it.
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Canary Island pyramids are relatively recent and they are the work of this man, Thor Heyerdahl.
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And he began speaking about them in 1991, so again relatively recently.
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Now you have to remember in 1991 pyramids were specifically something which were found
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in Egypt, a bit further south in Egypt and Ethiopia and the Sudan and in Mexico.
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And everybody, the prominent authors at the time, the von Danekens of this world were
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trying to explain pyramids as how could people in Egypt have an idea which is then the same
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idea as the Mayan pyramids.
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The classic solution which was given was that somebody sailed from point A to point B and
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that therefore B knew what A was doing.
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And when A was going to B, by default they had to pass to point C, which was the Canary
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Islands.
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So Heyerdahl felt that these platforms had something to do with the people who transported
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the knowledge from Egypt to the Mayan world and that this was confirmation of his theory
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which was that these transoceanic contacts had been happening for hundreds, if not thousands
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of years before Columbus was doing it.
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What he found in the Canary Islands or what has been found in the Canary Islands by mainly
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two universities, but specifically one, the archaeology department of Laguna University.
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It must be such a nice university, I think Laguna must mean that it's next to Laguna
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or something.
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What he found there were six stair pyramids on the island of Tenerife who looked a bit
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like this.
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And they are located on the eastern shore of the island in a place called Quimaa, which
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is about 40 kilometres south of Santa Cruz, which is for Europeans quite a popular tourist
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destination, which is where the problem began.
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Because these pyramids are very contested.
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When he made the announcement that he had found pyramids, they said actually that he
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and other people had built these pyramids because before he found them nobody had ever
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heard of them.
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How can you disprove a theory like that?
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I just found something.
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Oh well, you're the first one who discovered it.
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But we're going to blame you because you discovered something which nobody else has
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written about before you.
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The problem was why they were so dead set against it was that the land had been earmarked
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for development to build even more holiday resorts.
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And this is where we would go wrong.
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But people like Heidele, who was already very famous at the time, knew very wealthy people.
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So he asked a very wealthy friend of his, a shipping magnate called Fred Olsen, who
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was like a tour from Norway, to just buy the land.
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Which is great, if you can just do that.
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And just to kind of like not piss off the entire Tenerife Council too much, they said
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that they would earmark it as a museum.
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That way the tourists would still come and there would be money made from people visiting
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the site as a museum.
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So that's what happened.
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It's now an ethnographic park and it's getting 150,000 visitors per year and it opened in
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April 1998.
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I'm just going to go through some slides.
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They're not very impressive pyramids if you want to call that.
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And some people call them platforms.
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As you can see, they are normally there to be ascended and they have been shown that
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they actually are orientated towards sunset of specific moments in the year.
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Specifically June 21, which is the summer solstice down there.
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And the skeptics said that actually it wasn't oriented to the summer solstice, but to mark
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and identify the festival of St. John the Baptist, who is a very popular saint in Catholic
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countries.
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And hence that these were not old, but that they were largely a few hundred years and
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nothing like Tor Heidel was trying to argue, which was that they were much, much older
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than that.
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Interestingly enough, Tor Heidel believed that these pyramids had something to do with
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transoceanic contact.
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The symbol of the ethnographic park is actually a question mark.
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And he didn't want that the park pushed too much of his own theories onto the visitor.
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And he wanted people to make up their own questions as to what this is.
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I think one of the interesting things is that the site on which he built it actually was
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known to be linked to the local population, the Guanches.
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And the Guanches actually used the cave, the Chaconne Cave, which is based underneath one
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of these pyramids.
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And for people who are at some point might be able to get their hands on a book, you
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will find that pyramids being built on top of caves is a very prominent feature.
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Two other examples, the Great Pyramid built on top of a natural cave, which was incorporated
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into its design.
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And Teotihuacan, which has a natural cave as well.
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Again, in the Canary Islands you find the same thing, whereby a pyramid is built on
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top of a cave.
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And at the end of the book, The New Pyramid Age, I also say that actually the tombs are
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quite often the most popular explanation connected with or used for explaining what pyramids
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all are.
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They're actually more likely to be linked with kingship, with coronation ceremonies
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and with ceremonies which confirmed kingship after a certain number of years, like a coronation
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festival, which happened depending on the culture, either 20, 25, 50 years apart.
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And again, you will find that in the Canary Islands we find the same detail, which is
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that the local kings of Tenerife had identified the area where the pyramids were found as
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their capital.
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And wherever you turn, you seem to be able to be confronted with this very same imagery.
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I'll just give you two more slides.
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The right one, the boat is obviously linked with Tohaya.
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And these are some of the steps which people climbed, obviously, to reach the platform,
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from which they could see sunsets.
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And for those of you who are interested in sacred landscapes, the sun actually sat between
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two mountains, so not just a random alignment, if you want, to a sunset, but an ordering
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of the landscape, making it part of a sacred landscape.
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Next stop, Greece.
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In Greece there are several pyramids.
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On the left you've got Halikon, then you've got the question mark pyramid, Dallamanara,
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Liguria, and another question mark in Neoepidarros.
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And note that they are pretty close to Mycenae, which is one of the oldest places in Greece.
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Again, what we have here are very destroyed, very small pyramids.
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But also, once again, very recent when it comes to their dating.
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It was 1995 when the top archaeologist, the general secretary of the Athens Academy,
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announced the results of a two-year study, which he had completed, on the Greek pyramids.
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Now he excluded Dallamanara and he excluded Neoepidarros because largely, hardly anything
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remains of it to be studied.
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So what he did was he used Halikon and Liguria pyramids.
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And the results of the dating were that Halikon, which is this one, was 2700 years old.
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20 BC.
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And the other one, the Liguria, was 2100.
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Now to put that in its timeframe, the first step pyramid in Egypt, the Tzozavon, has
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been dated to 2620 BC.
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So Greece at that time had the oldest pyramids in the world.
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How did that sit with the archaeological establishment?
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Who thinks they were happy?
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You have no faith in the archaeological establishment.
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But what to do?
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This was the guy called general secretary of the Athens Academy.
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This isn't a guy who you can just say excuse me, we're not going to take note of you.
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You attack the methodology.
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It's difficult to date stones specifically when they're not concrete and when they're
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a natural stone which has been shaped into a format and then put somewhere.
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And the methodology which they used to date the structure is something called optical
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thermophoto illumination, which hopefully you've never heard of.
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And if you have, you've probably forgotten it.
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But it's another technique which is not as hard as carbon dating, but it can be used
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in comparison with other techniques.
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And what they had the advantage of was that they were pretty close to Mycenae and Mycenae
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had been dated using both techniques.
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And hence they could do a comparative study and that's how they came to these very old
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dates.
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And whenever somebody else had done this dating on other things like caves, lava, stalactite,
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meteorites, all of these things, nobody had ever said that this wasn't a proper scientific
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technique to do.
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It's only when you start applying it to pyramids that apparently you're not allowed to be
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doing it and everything is rubbish.
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Now I'm not going to go too much on about whether these are the oldest or the youngest
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or whether Greece went to Egypt or Egypt went to Greece, because Mark Lehner, yes Mark
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Lehner, he is a very famous Egyptologist and he tried to carbon date the Great Pyramid.
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And even though he is the most famous Egyptologist except for Zai Hawass, who just has to be
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the most famous because he is Zai Hawass, nobody can be more famous than him.
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When he carbon dated the Great Pyramid and the Giza complex, he found that the Egyptian
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timeline was out by 500 to 600 years, conservatively. And he still hasn't made this announcement.
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I mean, he kind of said, I'll publish it in a very small magazine and see how my colleagues
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react. Because him and Zai Hawass are literally afraid of what their colleagues will do to
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them, because it will upset the entire timeline. And the Egyptian timeline is often used to
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date surrounding cultures such as biblical archaeology and stuff. And it's kind of like,
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think of what your most dearest possession is and then give it to me and I will say I'll
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never return it to you. And that's how Egyptologists feel when this safety blanket of chronology
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is ripped from underneath them. And in these stalls there is a book by Wim Zitman, Egypt
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Image of Heaven, who has also completely destroyed the traditional timeline largely
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by just looking what the ancient Egyptians wrote and trying to correspond it to celestial
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events. And he is an amateur Egyptologist, his son is actually a qualified Egyptologist.
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And he had his book, when it was a manuscript, peer reviewed by some German leading Egyptologists
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and they said, extremely well done, but don't think you will ever get any further than
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that, because nobody wants to hear what you've got to say. And that's the thing with this
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pyramid as well. Now, what is this pyramid? You can see a tiny entrance in the middle.
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And it's, there are two theories. The skeptics say that actually this pyramid never had
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a totally real stone pyramid. That what you see is largely what you have always gotten.
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And that the top was a wooden structure and that this was actually a guard post. And
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that the old coastline was pretty much nearby, that there were guards stationed there to
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find out whether or not something was going to happen and that they could signal to Mycenae
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and say, hold on, intruder alert. Unfortunately for those theories, people in the past actually
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wrote and one of them was a guy called Posanias who wrote in the second century BC. And I
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will quote what he wrote, which is that he said it was built by Icarus and his brother
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Proteus. And the first one was identified as the grandfather of Perseus, which people
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who studied Greek literature may have known about it. And he was said to have been born
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and have spent his first childhood years near the pyramid before visiting Africa and Ethiopia.
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And to quote him specifically, word for word, on the way from Argos to Epidauri, there is
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on the right a building made very like a pyramid. Here took place a fight for the throne between
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the two brothers. The contest they say ended in a draw. For those that fell on either
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side was built here a common tomb. So this seems to be a memorial, if not a tomb for
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those who died. Now the interesting thing is that there's more than one pyramid. So
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it doesn't really say what the other one was. And just some more slides. So this is Halenico,
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which is probably the most impressive of what's remaining. This one is taken from
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slightly further down. This one is Ligurio, which is less to see. But you can see how
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the stones have been carved. Now for the next one. I was too late to know that I was going
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to speak here and go back to Greece. And when I was asked to write a book, I just visited
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Greece. So I haven't visited the next site, which I'm going to talk to you about. So
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I'm just going to put this picture up because that way you've got something to look at.
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But it's a very interesting thing. Who has ever heard of a book called Black Spark White
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Fire by Richard Poe? This is, as the book says, black spark white fire. He's trying
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to undo lots of what people always tried to do, which was take Africa out of Egypt.
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Pyramids in Egypt are an African, a black people creation. And for a very long time,
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because Europe, I think, didn't have pyramids, they thought, you know, go back a few hundred
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years and think of what the status was like of black people. Just think of what the status
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of black people was in America in the 1950s, early 1960s. They were felt to be subhuman
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and therefore could not possibly build pyramids. What he tried to do in his book Black Spark
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White Fire was actually say that most ideas were developed by black people and white people
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then did the fire, as in, you know, they went and largely claimed that it was their own.
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And he speaks of a site which is called the Amphion Hill. And the reason why I'm putting
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this one up is despite him having spoken about it and despite some other people having written
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about it since, I have not seen a single photograph of this site. And I searched the internet
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and there is not a single photograph of this site. In fact, I then tried to do something
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better and I tried to come up with a photograph of Thebes, which is where the site is next
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to. And I could find two photographs of a city in Greece. So whatever is happening
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to that place, Thebes, people seem to avoid it like the past. And even I avoid it like
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the past because I drove way past it last year. Unfortunately, because otherwise I could
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have given you some probably very good pictures. Because once again, Greek archaeologists seem
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to be of a different nature than most of them. Because this person, no not this person,
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not that person, this person is called Theodoros Spiropoulos or something to that effect,
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excavated this hill between 1971 and 1973. And he went all out. He concluded that it
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was the most, that this was the tomb of Amphion. So the pyramid is called the tomb of Amphion
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or Amphion Hill and there are a few more names flying about. The Stabbed Pyramid of Thebes
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is another one. And it's claimed that Thebes, I'm not going to bore you with hundreds of
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Greek gods and their offspring and stuff like that, but largely Amphion was the site of
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the growth spring and stuff like that. But largely Amphion was the son of Antioch and
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Zeus, the chief god of the Pantheon. And he said that what he had found, what this pyramidal
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tomb was, was the tomb of Amphion. He was saying that the gods of the Greeks were real.
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And he got away with it. Then he said the structure was 2500 to 2000 BC. And he got
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away with it. In fact he's the only one who I've ever seen who actually, his career continued
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to rise by saying controversial things. And he said that it was Egyptian. And the reason
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why he said so was actually because inside he had found four gold pendants which were
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shaped like lilies and topped with a papyrus form. And this is so typically Egyptian that
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he just said this is Egyptian and largely nobody could say anything about it. Now the
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Amphion hill, or whatever you want to call it, is quite large. And again, unfortunately
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no photographs. But what he was saying was that the pyramid was not constructed, but
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that what they'd done was they took a naturally existing hill and shaped it, terraformed it
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to look like a stepped pyramid which was made of four layers. Once again what he found,
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the most interesting was what was found inside. And what he found inside was a system of
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corridors, steps, passageways and drainage systems. And also a stone lined chamber with
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two depressions in the floor. And the interesting thing is that when you read Greek mythology
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there is a struggle between two brothers, Amphion and his brother, Zetus, and they are
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both killed. And he didn't say it, but he left people wondering whether those two depressions
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inside would originally have held the body of those two brothers. Unfortunately he also
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found that the site had been gravely robbed and hence he couldn't really say much more
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than that. The only thing he found was the gold jewelry and we should all give an applause,
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not physically but in our minds, to the grave robbers by actually leaving the pendants intact
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because otherwise the opposition would have said this is nothing to do with ancient Egypt.
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But they couldn't get away from it so they just kept quiet about it. However near the
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chamber which he identified as the most likely burial chamber he identified a horizontal
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tunnel which went north. And the tunnel goes and meets a vertical chamber which leads to
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another tunnel which is higher and that area hasn't been explored yet. And he also found
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and I will just point out that he started doing his excavations in 71 and 73 so why
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is he waiting? The final bit, the link between this and ancient Egypt is that on top of
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the structure, the hill, there is a brick tomb and that looks very much like a pre-Denestic
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Egyptian mastaba and hence he wonders whether there might be something there to this Egyptian
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Greek connection. When you read Black Spark White Fire, what Richard Poe is arguing is
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actually that ancient Egyptians went on expeditions, did leave the Nile River and sailed into the
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Mediterranean and are most likely the people who founded Greece. And that then a period
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most possibly linked with the Santorini explosion wiped out parts or most of that everyday business
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of sailing around the Mediterranean and then that when Greece was resettled much later
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on they began from scratch but that memories of Plato's story are still there. And so
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they began from scratch but that memories of Plato such as Atlantis where Solon refers
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to the fact that there was a pre-civilization in Greece that might be linked to ancient
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Egypt. Italy, Rome, this was a very important place
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this one is called the tomb of Sassiestius who died in 12 BC and he spent some time
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in Egypt and he ordered that his slaves should be freed when he died but not before they
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constructed a pyramid and they did this in 330 days and when they finished they were
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free. It's 36 meters high and for anybody who visits Rome or has visited Rome it's
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a, there's a metro station, a subway station called Pyramidi Sestia which is obviously
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named after the pyramid and for people who take a taxi from the airport to the city
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centre normally they drive past this pyramid which is lit at night. This is just another
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photograph. The best view of the pyramid is actually from the neighbouring park where
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you see slightly more because as always the ground level has risen and you see more from
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the park than from the main road. You can visit this pyramid but you have to do so
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I think on the third Saturday of the month when it is open to the public because that's
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when the local cats are being fed. It was Harry who said that we are the slaves to
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the cats rather than cats to us and in Rome the same thing applies. You can go inside,
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there's a grave chamber there, there's some paintings on the wall but everything is known
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about it and this is largely a person who wanted to be buried inside it too. Far more
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controversial are these three structures which have been called the pyramids of Montevacchia
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and Montevacchia means the old mountain and they're about 30 miles, so 50 kilometers north
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from Milan and they were discovered by using satellite and aerial imagery.
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Just to underline who is doing today archaeological research and trying to upset the balance of
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our ancient history, who do you think is going to start doing archaeological research these
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days? He's paying for them. Universities? No. Magazines? Italian ones? No. Czech magazines.
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The editor in chief George Warnow, he organized an expedition, it's perhaps a big word, but
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he got a few people together because he wanted to find out whether these three structures
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and specifically what he'd seen from aerial photography, whether this was a natural pyramid
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or whether this was a man-made pyramid. So what he did was in June 2003 he went there
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and what they found was that the first pyramid, the one you can see here, had a base of about
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100 meters in width and a height of 50 meters. Three potential pyramids were surveyed and
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what they found was that specifically towards the bottom, this is a photograph from the
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structure you can see, there's lots of terracing, and towards the bottom they found definitely
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signs of some artificial stone building there. They also found a platform which measured
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18 by 9 meters and they found that all three structures had an inclination of 42, 43 degrees
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and that they were offset to the cardinal points by 7 to 12 degrees northeast and they
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were wondering why that was the case. And they had scientists with them and what they
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said was that they were offset from the cardinal points because that way their layout would
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be orientated towards the passing of Orion at the sunrise of the summer solstice. And
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that layout of these three pyramids, I don't know whether you guys can see this, but that
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they mimicked the layout of the Giza Plateau and that they looked like they had been positioned
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there on purpose, reflecting or symbolizing Orion's belt. 2003, 2004, 2003, 2004, 2004,
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a person called Bill Engel contacted me after I wrote part of this up for Nexus and he
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read it either in Nexus or online. And he'd gone there and he said he'd organized what
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he called the Great Coordination Point Expedition, which largely meant he took a plane to Europe
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and started to look around. And his impression is that he doesn't think that the Giza Plateau
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they are man-made, he thinks they're natural. But he's saying that really you cannot be
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sure until some archeological research is going on. When we go back to the CHAC team,
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they had a professor with them who was actually an Italian archeologist called Professor
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Gregoria and he dated the structure based on what he saw very quickly to 3000 BC. And
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nothing has happened since. Well, here we go. Bosnia. The most controversial pyramid
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in Europe. Is it controversial here? No? Your shoe is from Europe. This is a postcard from
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the Soko. You saw this before with the Harry Olfey lecture where you can see the pyramid
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using his technology. This is what people have seen for hundreds of years with their
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naked eyes and took postcards off. It is 225 meters high. The Great Pyramid is a very
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large pyramid. It is 148. If this is a man-made pyramid, it is the largest man-made structure
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on earth by far. It is in Europe so hot that the vice chairman of the European archeological
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community, a guy called Anthony North, I have forgotten his name now, he went there
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last year to give his opinion about what this was. And after he had gone, he said this
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was natural. And it upset a lot of people because his opinion was so much more than
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natural. It upset a lot of people because his archeological methodology as recovered
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by the taxi driver who took him there was as follows. You arrive at the airport, you
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take a taxi. Before going to your hotel, you ask the taxi driver to take you to the Soko.
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Where you arrive at 20 to 10 at night, when it is dark by the way, you drive around the
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town, you do not get out of your taxi, you drive back to your hotel and you tell everybody
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that you have made a qualified opinion about what you have seen and that what you have
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seen is natural. What everybody else has seen are images like this. This is another very
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old photograph. This is what I saw in August. This is what you see when you are flying
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in a plane. It took until 2005 when Sam Osmanigich was giving a lecture in the United States
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at Sarajevo when the director of the Soko museum came to him and said come and have
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a look to where I live. What do you think about this bit here? Do you think this might
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be a pyramid? Sam said, could be. How about if we pay a geologist? Sam paid for a geologist
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and Nadja Nucic came. When she was doing her work, she said that she had found three
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layers of brown polished stone which were positioned at equal distances from each other
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and to her that suggested that this might be a man-made structure. She felt that the
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area was worth of being further excavated. Now Sam is an ordinary guy like us. In fact,
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when Josh Shaw was talking, Josh reminded me a lot of Sam. Sam has lived in America
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in Texas. Don't hold this against him. He cannot vote. He has a company with a company
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which works in the metal industry and when you go to Wikipedia, the subject of my most
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recent article in Nexus, you will read that he's a metal worker. He owns a company which
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works in the metal industry. Wikipedia will also underline that he has got no official
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qualifications which is true but his father is a professor of geology at Sarajevo University
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which somehow doesn't make it into the Wikipedia entry. At one point in time, very early on
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in 2006, they asked him, what do you think this thing is? He said, well, I think it's
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a pyramid. He said, I think it's the biggest pyramid. I think it's the oldest pyramid.
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Oh, how old do you think it is? He said, well, it has to be younger than the last ice age
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because you cannot build it because ice covered the area. When was the last ice age? 12,000
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BC. Oh, so you're saying the pyramid is 12,000 BC? He then said, no. Guess what the headline
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said? Including BBC, on the BBC website, everywhere, Samoos Managich had said the
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pyramid was 12,000 years old. And by that, the entire official problem had been resolved
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by just saying this structure was that old. It couldn't possibly be that old. And when
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you go into Wikipedia, there's a section on the top of the pyramid, and it's a very
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interesting one. I think you need to go to search for Bosnian pyramids on Wikipedia.
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There's a section on the controversy. And after I interviewed Sam for Nexus, I gave
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him the possibility of saying, did you ever say 12,000 years old? And he said, I never
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said that. I said, did you ever say it in front of a camera? Can anybody ever put it
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out or prove that you said it was 12,000 BC? And he said, no, I never said it. There's
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now an entire discussion on Wikipedia of where I went in there and I said, I've ever had
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an interview with Nexus. Philip Coppens pointed out that it wasn't 12,000 BC. And then people
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have been filing more stuff to say, however, there's now an entire debate to try and prove
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that he actually said this. And it's kind of like, get a life, please. But that's how
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the controversy is raging in Europe at the moment, because again, if this pyramid is
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real, there are serious problems. Earlier this year in June, they pointed out that the
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Bosnian authorities had stopped funding the pyramid research. The man who pretends
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to be Indiana Jones is Sam. The man on his right is the Bosnian Prime Minister, who has
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offered the Foundation funding, which at the present rate of spending, which the Foundation
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is doing, will mean that the Foundation is funded for the next 200 years. I have told
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Sam to spend more, because I don't want to wait 200 years to find out where all of this
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is going. What I'm going to do now is just a visual tour of Vizocco. So I was going to
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say, imagine it's much warmer than here, but that's not actually true. It's pretty much
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as warm as it is here. This is a site on the pyramid of the sun, which was excavated
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last year. And this is what people like Robert Shock, who probably most of you are familiar
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with, a person who did some research on the Sphinx, found. And he concluded that based
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on this, it was most likely a natural structure, and it wasn't man-made. This is more in detail.
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You see all of these slabs, and the granules, or whatever you call it, are actually from
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the riverbeds, from the river below. The question was, is this just a natural phenomena, or
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is this cement? So this is what they saw last year when Shock came. This is where they
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are this year. And largely the height of that area is about 20 meters, so they're clear
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20 meters. And one of the more interesting aspects is the fact that they obviously had
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to remove a tree to get to this area. And when you look at it, you can see the roots
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of the tree going there. And last year when geologists and archaeologists were falling
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over themselves to say whether it was man-made or natural, a botanist came around, and the
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botanist said, this is man-made. And they asked why. And he said, well, it's simple.
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Trees have been around for a very long time, and they are able to penetrate natural rock.
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They can do these kinds of things. But trees cannot penetrate cement. And it's known,
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the photograph is going to appear at the end again, but the hill for some reason at some
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point was selected for growing trees, pine trees, and various other things, and it was
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classified as a complete failure because the trees didn't take root. And when the wind
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blew, the trees fell over. And the reason why was literally because all of these tree
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roots went in various directions but didn't penetrate. And so for this botanist, he just
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said, this is the best evidence of a man-made structure. Of course, there are now skeptics
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who say, well, actually, that's not true. Modern trees, sorry, modern trees, trees are able
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to penetrate modern cement. And the botanist involved, he's from Bosnian origin, he just
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said, well, show me then. The second structure is the pyramid of the sun. And I'm going
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to show you a map. Largely, this photograph is taken from the pyramid of, sorry, this
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structure is called the pyramid of the moon, and the photograph was taken from the pyramid
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of the sun. Pyramid of the moon is smaller than the pyramid of the sun, but if a genuine
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pyramid, it is still larger than the Great Pyramid in Egypt. So it's still pretty big.
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They did some digging last year, and this is what they saw last year. They found bizarre
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levels of radiating lines. And what you find a lot on that site is these kind of what
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I would call paving stones or paving slabs, which you find on the layer, you find it
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on the middle layer there. It's not very convincing that it is man-made, but this is.
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A picture of a pyramid, obviously the size of a pyramid join, and they wanted to find
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out where that junction was and whether there was something. And at the bottom, they found
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this structure. They don't really know what it looks like, sorry, what it is. They don't
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really know how old it is. It could be as recent as, let's say, a thousand B.C., and
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it could be as old as God knows what. But wherever they dig, they find something. And
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this year they have started digging on top of the pyramid of the moon. The guy on the
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left, his name is Zombas. None of you speak Bosnian, but in, because otherwise there
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would have been laughter. But guess what Zombas translates as in English? Zombie. And he's
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a character. You should just go there just for him. And they started digging on top
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of the pyramid of the moon, and what they found was layers of stone, which they tried
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to find out how it all looked. But again, what they found nearby are these kind of
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stones. Now they don't look too impressive, but when you're there, you can see it for
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yourself. And some of them are broken, and some of them you kind of think that's just
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impossible. Things cannot break like that. Here, for example, you can see a mixture
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of some of them which are broken. Some of them have moved. I don't know whether you
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can see it, but near the two, let me just point. And here, you can see the
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two, let me just point. Near there, the soil has actually gone up. I'm just giving you
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a visual impression. As I said, I'm not too impressed with this bit, and largely it is
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because we are so early into what they're digging, so we have to wait a bit. They're
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they have identified three sites on the bottom. So pyramid of the sun at the top, pyramid
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of the moon, and something which they've called pyramid of the dragon, around 2,200 meters
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apart, but they're not exactly to the meter right. So if you go for precise measurement,
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they're not equidistant. Exactness is in the light beauty in the eye of the beholder.
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The greenish dots are sites where they have dug. This is where they dug in 2006 and were
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shocked and said that they were natural. This is what I just showed before, and then this
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is on top. This is on top where they've been digging this year. They've also been digging
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at another site, which is called Gornjevratnica, which is about four kilometers distant, and
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there's a small hill there called Toprakalia, and it's actually named after the name of
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a Turkish general who was buried there, hence why his grave has been fenced off so that
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no interference can be done. The reason why they got there is largely because somebody
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said, I know I live in a different valley, but come and have a look and see whether
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this might be something. So they started digging there. This is what they dug last
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year. It doesn't look very impressive. The people who went there said this is probably
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natural and I largely agree, but then this year they started to dig this, and this is
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unfortunately very difficult to photograph because of its size, but there are very giant
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slabs of stone which have been found, and I think probably the best view is here. But
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the most interesting aspect of what they have been doing are tunnels. There are various
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tunnels, and this is one tunnel called the KTK tunnel, and the reason why it's called
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KTK is because the tunnel is located on the property of a company which is called KTK,
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and they have been digging there since October of last year, October 2006, and they have
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found something which is very interesting. They have found, and I always get this wrong,
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stalactites, but you know the thing, and whoever did it, I've forgotten who did it,
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but the geologist who dated it said that the stalactite would have taken 2,900 years to
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form, and hence the tunnel has to be older than 900 BC. This tunnel is right next to
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a river. The second tunnel is the tunnel, the Ravne tunnel, and they have in the first
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tunnel about 200 meters, and in the second tunnel in total about 400 meters, but it's
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in two lanes, and they're trying to find out whether these tunnels connect to the pyramids.
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They know that the tunnels go into the general direction of the pyramids, but that is all
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they are aware of at the moment, and they think they might run all the way, but time
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will tell, and they're making good progress, but of course you need to study everything
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properly. The guy, the first one, I congratulated him saying you've done well in such a short
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distance, and he replies, we're professionals. Now, when I was there, this was middle of
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August, the following week I found myself by complete coincidence, well not by complete
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coincidence, but I was in Great Orme copper mine in northern Wales, in a place called
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Llandudno, which is the biggest and oldest copper mine in that area, and all the small
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things which I saw in the tunnels in Bosnia, you found in this prehistoric cave, sorry,
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prehistoric mine in Llandudno, and the trademarks of these things are that you've got a main
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tunnel of which side tunnels go off, and at the bottom you find carefully stacked stones.
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You don't think for a second that these bits are done by the local miners clearing it
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off. This is what they find inside, that the side entrances have been blocked off.
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These larger stones, which you can find now, you can say, okay, that's not very impressive,
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and it's not, but again, if you're in Great Orme, you will see the same kind of things.
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They have found this, which they've called the wheel, largely it's a stone, a circular
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stone which has been broken in various pieces, and they do not know what it is. This is what
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they find when they start digging, a very small area of tunnel, which they will give
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you demonstration, and they will take a bit of wood, and they'll start scraping, and
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then it just drops. They're not digging, again, critics are saying that these miners are
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digging the tunnels as we speak, and that there were never any original tunnels to
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begin with, and that the local Bosnians are doing it as such, all modern, trying to fool
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the world into thinking that there is something there, when of course there is nothing there,
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because why would there be? They have come up with a very interesting theory as to why
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people are doing this. You need to know that originally Bosnia and all of these things,
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Balkan was one country, and then in the 1980s you had the apparitions of the Virgin Mary
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in a place called Maggiorje, which meant that the Croats, Croatia, became much more out
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there, much more visited, much more popular with tourists, pilgrims, got worldwide attention
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because the Virgin Mary was appearing there. They're Catholics in Croatia, and in Bosnia
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they're pretty much nothing, but they have a large Muslim population, and they're probably
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the closest big Muslim population in Europe. So the conspiracy theory, because this is
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what it is, the conspiracy theory which Egyptologists, archaeologists are drawing, is that the Bosnians
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are creating this fantasy that they have got a pyramid to offset the Catholics. Now I have
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said that we are no longer the conspiracy theorists, the official people have become
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the conspiracy theorists because we are just asking, could this possibly be a man-made
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structure? The other ones are saying, there's a giant conspiracy involving everybody, including
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Egypt, because again, Zaii Haos, he got drunk and he was in a coma, and he was in a coma,
01:12:36.900 --> 01:12:42.440
dragged into this at some point because his name had been mentioned, and Zaii Haos cannot
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not comment if his name is mentioned. He has to comment, and he did. And largely, Samos
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Manegich, who's the project director of the foundation, or he was, they've changed a
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few job roles over the summer, he said that Egyptian authorities had been approached and
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that there was an exchange with the Egyptologists and that it would be coming over in 2006.
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And Haos at the time said, well, I haven't heard anything of that, so that can't be
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true. So everybody reported that Samos Manegich was a liar because Haos had said that he
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didn't know anything about it. And the reason why he didn't know anything about it was because
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Sam had gone to Zaii Haos' boss, and Zaii Haos had not been told by his boss what he
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had agreed with Samos Manegich and the Bosnian authorities. And why should his boss have
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something to say to somebody working for him? So in July, in September of last year, a
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very limited amount of Egyptologists went out, an archaeologist went out to Bosnia.
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One of them, Ali Barak, had stayed for 42 days, and he said that this was more than
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likely man-made, and he's talking about the pyramid of the sun. The Egyptologists have
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only been looking at the pyramid of the sun. He said more than likely man-made requires
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further research. So Sam flew out to Cairo in March. There was a big press conference,
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whereby Zaii Haos appeared, because of course when there's television, Zaii has to be there.
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He spoke to Farrokh Hosni and Gabor Asuth, and just to give you the quality of names,
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Egypt's Ministry of Culture, General Secretary of the Supreme Council of Culture of Egypt,
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they were all there, and they all gave their support to the Bosnian Foundation. And after
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I left, it's quite funny, because they were coming the Monday after I'd left, and Sam
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was back in Houston because his son was inscribing in university. So the guy you saw standing
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on top of the big slab was my guide-minder friend. And he constantly had to arrange things
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for accommodation for these Egyptians, and he was furning around Sarajevo trying to
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put them up. And eventually he succeeded. And when they came over, they held a press
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conference. And on the press conference, which was held on September 3rd, their leader, which
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is a person called Dr. Professor Nabil Mohammed Abdul-Sualim, said the following, the Bosnian
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pyramid of the sun is the largest pyramid ever witnessed. It is an amazing structure
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of great importance for the entire world. Dr. Professor Nabil Mohammed Abdul-Sualim
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is the holder of three PhDs in archaeology and Egyptology, and has discovered four pyramids
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in Egypt himself. He was accompanied by Professor Dr. Mona Fayyoud Ali, the chair of the restoration
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department of the Archaeological University of Cairo, and a colleague who's an expert
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on pharaonic periodic Egypt of the Archaeological University in Cairo. Again, Dr. Ali Barakat
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was there as well. And he works for the Meteorology Resource Institute of Cairo. Why am I saying
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all of this? I want to be dazzled with their credentials. This is not just nobody. This
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isn't us. This isn't an amateur or a journalist or whatever. These are the real deal. And
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the only thing you can tell them and which you can hold against them is that they are
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Muslims and they are Arabs. And so, yes, they might be part of this giant conspiracy,
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but perhaps they're not. At the end of the press conference, they added,
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we came here with many doubts, but after seeing everything, there is no more room for any
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doubts. Whether the pyramids were completely man-made structures, as in they were built
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from the bottom up, going up, or whether they were mountains which had been transformed
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to look like pyramids, they felt that given where they are today, the most likely option
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is that they are transformed, so that they're not completely artificial, but artificially
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enhanced, if that's probably the best word. So there we have the situation. How old are
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they? I think it's too early to tell. What were they used for? I think it's too early
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to tell. What is in sight? I think it is too early to tell. However, if we do want to
01:18:10.660 --> 01:18:17.660
speculate, another favorite subject of the critics is that there is no culture known
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to exist in the area which is dated older than roughly 1500 BC, and hence, as there
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was nobody living in that area, there was nobody who could have built these pyramids.
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Now, before you start thinking of Atlantis or aliens or whatever comes to mind, that
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statement, that there was nobody living there, is an absolute lie. If I ask you, what is
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it? If I ask whether anybody lives locally, nobody lives between here and the stand.
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I hope not, because otherwise he's seriously intervening tomorrow with another conference.
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But how do you describe locally? Belgrade is 300 kilometers, and you can go on my side
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or you can go anywhere. Who's ever heard of Maria Gimbutas and her research on old Europe?
01:19:17.660 --> 01:19:24.660
Because you're in Australia, I will let you get away with this. If you were Europeans,
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I wouldn't. Old Europe, she identified a civilization, old Europe, living in the area, the Vincia
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culture around the Balkan area, largely the area where these pyramids have been found,
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which is old Europe, dated to at least 6000 BC. Now, the question is, what is the reason
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that old Europe built pyramids? No. But Tutankhamun didn't build pyramids either. Yet, we know
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that ancient Egypt built pyramids 1000 years before Tutankhamun.
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Final observation, I can't, perhaps I can, you might be able to see it here. This pyramid
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and the pyramid of the sun are separated by a river, and the tunnels have all been
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found, well apart from the Ravni one, but they have all been found along this river.
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And there are known tunnels which start at the river's edge, including one which they
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had to fill up because they were building a factory on top. And the guy who owns the
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factory actually says that there were six tunnels, and that two of them came together,
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sorry, let me get this right, three tunnels came together into one, three other ones
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came together into one, and then those two remaining ones came once again together into
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one, and that led into the general direction of the pyramid.
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Now for those of you who have been to Egypt or know about Egyptian pyramids, they will
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know that the Egyptian pyramid complex started right next to the river Nile, and that you
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had a valley temple there, and then you have the causeway, and then you have the pyramid
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temple, and then you've got the pyramid itself. And the causeway is a bit of a bizarre word,
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because we only see the remains of what the causeways are, and in some cases they've
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completely disappeared. But in origin, they were tunnels, and only at the very top that
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you have a tiny slit of light coming through so that you had some light inside this tunnel.
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But they were man-made tunnels so that people could walk in a tunnel through the tunnel
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from the river Nile to the valley temple, sorry, through this tunnel to the other temple
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near the pyramid, and finally to the pyramid. And the same possibility might exist here
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that the tunnels go into the general direction of the pyramid, and they are excavating these
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tunnels to try and find out whether they actually arrive in the pyramid and whether they are
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there. Now, this is going to take much more time. Next year, they are hoping to employ
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on much more sites up to 1,000 workers, and they are hoping to really start going as
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of next year. So far, every research has been sponsored privately. Next year, the Bosnian
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authorities are going to start gathering. And if all of this is true, sorry, if all
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of this is verified, at some point, we might be confronted with the fact that Bosnia has
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got the largest structure, the largest pyramid, possibly one of the oldest, possibly one of
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the most interesting. And I can tell you that they have found in a neighboring valley,
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some more. But they don't want to drag the attention away yet from this bit, because
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otherwise they are going to spread them apart so much that nothing will ever get done.
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So don't watch this space, but start watching some other space. And if you really want to
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watch, for those of you who have taken notes, apologies if you developed carpal tunnel
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syndrome, but on Wednesday, the text of this lecture will be available for download, reading,
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printing, whatever you want from the above website. I've got three more websites. One
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of them is called Conspiracy Times. And what Conspiracy Times is trying to do is kind of
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say that even though people are conspiring against us, we quite often are willing to
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go along with that, and that we quite often adopt frameworks of conspiring against ourselves,
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if you want, that we want to believe in certain things. And that there is a mixture of conspiracies
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out there. And there are sections, one of them is on global warming, another one on
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the cold phenomenon, which is specifically active in Africa. The various sections just
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go there. Paralysis for people who are interested in Rana Chateau, Priory of Zion, Dan Brown,
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and Renaissance is an initiative of some people, including myself, to do radio interviews about
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the Rana Chateau mystery. We have Patrice Chaplin, who's the daughter-in-law of Charlie
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Chaplin, who's interested in all of this thing. So if you want to hear more, go to some of
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these websites, and the text of the lecture will be there, as I said, on Wednesday. And
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for that, you just need to go to the front page, and you will be taken through. Thank
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you very much.
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Thanks, Philip. Okay, now we have your dinner break for an hour and a half. Whatever you
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do, just make sure you'll be back here in 90 minutes' time, and we have Bruce Cathy,
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who will be presenting his documentary this evening. Look forward to seeing you then.
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Thank you.