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Hi, I'm Jenny Taylor Martin, a director here at EgerCaseysARE. Today I'm speaking with researcher and author Andrew Collins about his new book beneath the pyramids.

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His book tells all about his new discovery in Egypt.

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Hi Andrew, it's nice to have you with us here today.

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It's my pleasure to be here.

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For those who haven't read your book, please tell us exactly what it is you found beneath the pyramids.

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We believe that we've found the entrance to I previously unrecorded cave underworld at Giza, right in the vicinity of the pyramids.

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I say that they're unrecorded the last time that they are known to have been mentioned, it's nearly 200 years ago, in the memoirs of Ibridish diplomat and explorer by the name of Henry Solt.

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He recalled very briefly that he entered catacombs for a distance of several hundred yards before coming upon a spacious chamber that led into three other chambers of a similar size, from which when various other labrinsline passages.

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One of these colleague Kaviglia, the Italian explorer, investigated for a distance of he says 300 feet further, as clear indication that they were continuing into the bedrock.

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And the details of this exploration were completely lost for, as I nearly 200 years until they were published a game in I'm memoir when the memoirs were reedited and put out by the British Museum in 2007.

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And this alerted us to the existence of the catacombs, which we obviously saw in terms of some kind of cave complex.

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And the editors of the memoirs had actually wrongly attributed the position of these catacombs to a position generally on the north side of the Great Pyramid.

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But my colleague Nigel Skinner Simpson worked out very meticulously where Solt and Kaviglia had actually explored.

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And found the exact entrance of these catacombs and curiously it was seemingly within a tomb that I was already exploring because I discovered that during the early 19th century the remains of birdmum is had been excavated and removed from this tomb, which seemed to be unmentioned.

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And in any modern publications, so that it had drawn my interest to go to Giza in January 2007, we explored the tomb then and found no obvious entrance to any kind of cave underworld.

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But just a few months later after the publication of Solt's memoirs, we realized that we must have missed something.

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And it was at this point that after consultations with the ARA, they agreed to sponsor an expedition to go out to Egypt, which actually took place eventually in March 2008.

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And myself, Nigel Skinner Simpson and my wife, so entered the tomb again and at first found nothing but we were about to leave to go and look at another couple of more minor tombs in the vicinity.

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When we noticed that a small breach in a style wall, which on peering inside, saw that there was a vast cave chamber that had been partly here, which led into cave compartments of entirely natural origin, as well as a long cave passage that penetrated the bedrock towards south.

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And very mind that this was in total darkness. So we were unaware of what we were trading and where we were going, but I felt I needed to explore these there and now.

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And so I penetrated for a distance, barely mind that the place was absolutely full of bats, and we've actually found out also venomous spiders.

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And so we explored this not only on this cage, but on three further occasions, gradually mapping out the extent and nature of this cave system, which has gone totally unnoticed by these logical world.

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Why do you think no one's ever explored these caves?

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For some strange reason, which I can't properly explain at this time, no modern Egyptologist has recorded the existence of them, and I can only assume that it's an area of the plateau, which not only are tourists,

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but diswided from going to, but it's not really interested some of the top Egyptologists that have worked in this area.

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All we can say is that so far we have found two rough plans that were done of the tomb, which is actually within the north cliff of the formation, the geological formation that constitutes the geysiplato.

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And although one of these, which was done by the team, headed by the American Egyptologist George Reisner, it was actually done in 1939, and this is a very peculiar oversight, which at this present time, what we can't explain.

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What do doctors, Sahihawas and the Egyptian authorities, have to say about your discovery?

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Dr. Sahihawas has actually denied the existence of the cave underworld.

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Now, as to why he has done this and is done it publicly, is a matter of debate.

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The most easiest explanation is that the investigations or preliminary investigations that he did, or, certainly following our own, visit to inform him of the discovery of the cave in April 2008,

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meant that his people actually went in the tomb but overlooked, as we did initially, the entrance to the cave system.

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And so their report back to him was that there are no caves, and this has been the public view that he's put out.

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However, he will realize that he actually missed the actual entrance into the cave system, and that once he and his people go inside this, they will see exactly the same as what we discovered ourselves.

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And that we can then work together with the Egyptian authorities to try and investigate the cave system more fully.

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Do you think there may be a link to this cave underworld and the Eger Casey prophecy about the Hall of Records?

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I do believe that the caves that we've entered are part of a much larger complex that stretches right beneath the entire geese plateau, almost like Swiss cheese, you know, has holes in it all over the place, and that these are totally natural.

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I believe that they have been exposed to the outside bedrock for maybe, you know, thousands, if not tens of thousands of years, and that therefore they actually existed before even the pyramid field developed around 5,000 years ago.

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And so, certainly, had an influence on the evolution of the geese pyramid field to the degree that I believe that the pyramid field was seen as an entrance into the so called do act, which was the name that was given by the ancient Egyptians to the underworld, the underworld through which the soul of the deceased, obviously more particularly obviously that the Pharaohs himself.

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And so, to traverse in order to reach an afterlife among the stars.

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Now, as far as the case himself are concerned, there is evidence of human activity in the very deepest parts.

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The walls have been incised here and there, there is evidence of chiseling.

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And we have every hope that they extend just as salt wrote in his memoirs for many hundreds of yards or meters.

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And recent evidence that we are now studying from satellite radar imagery would tend to suggest that the caves appear within this imagery that shows the plan of the plateau.

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And the underlying geology seems to suggest and can actually be seen on at least one image to go all the way to the second pyramid, not the great pyramid, but the middle of the three main pyramids, the second pyramid that was probably constructed initially as a tomb for the Pharaoh cavalry.

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And that the chambers reached by salt and gaviglia are, I believe, beneath the second pyramid.

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And this is actually really intriguing certainly from the point of view of the whole of records of Ed Gakaisi because the early arid writers wrote that this was the tomb of Hermes.

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He was the great wisdom bringer of ancient Egypt as seen in Greco Roman times.

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And it is said that his cave tomb exists beneath the plateau somewhere in the vicinity of the second pyramid.

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In 1977, I expedition from the Stanford research institute in cooperation with the Inchheim's University of Cairo did grand penetration research, radar research in the vicinity of the second pyramid and detected the existence of deep chambers within this vicinity.

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And I believe it is possible that this is where salt and gaviglia actually reached by going beneath the plateau from what we now refer to as the tomb of the birds through which entrance to the cave is accessed.

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And it may well be that they came within reach of the cave tomb of Hermes.

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Now what is said to be here? Well the original so-called emerald tablet which contains virtually the secrets of creation and may be even some ancient knowledge which pertains to a very early period of history or prehistory in Egypt.

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And some of them suggest that there aren't just one but there are a large number of these emerald tablets which brings us very near to the idea of the whole of records of Eccocacy that they contain some kinds of tablets from some kind of high culture that existed in Egypt perhaps even before the pyramid age.

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You also write about a connection between the Cygnus alignment and the underworld cave system that you found. Can you tell us about that?

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Well my interest in the cave underworld really got going in 2005 when an engineer friend of mine by name of Rodney Hale decided that he would have a look at the case stars of Cygnus in relationship to the position in of the three major pyramids on the plateau.

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Now previous to this time a similar type of alignment had been looked at by Robert Bouvelli in association with the stars of Orion.

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Rodney Hale had never been happy with this alignment because in all honesty they don't fit quite accurately.

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So he studied the three main wing stars of Cygnus wing from the fact that the Cygnus is a celestial bird universally around the world.

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It's also known as the northern cross and what he discovered is that the three key stars of Cygnus fit almost perfectly with the ground positions of the three pyramids.

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However if this was the case it left one particular bright star insignus unmarked on the ground and this was the star denneb.

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So I looked at this and wondered what might be in the vicinity and although there was a so called master betomb that marked the spot.

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One that unfortunately nothing is really recorded about whatever might have been in there initially.

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Somebody actually said to me well is it not possible that this could mark something underground perhaps even the entrance to the whole of records.

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That time I thought this was an interesting idea but I wasn't prepared to accept that because I was still at the time looking for possible entrances to the cave underworld around the Sphinx area which is where most of the focus has been to do with finding the whole of records.

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When I started investigating this two west of the Great Pyramid in which the bird mummies or fragments of bird mummies had been found suggesting some kind of local bird cult and the main bird associated with the plateau.

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To do with caves was so car the guardian of the underworld in various ancient Egyptian funeary texts.

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I wondered whether it was a cult of so-car and the people were leaving these mummies in honour of the god so-car suggesting perhaps that the tomb was seen as some kind of entrance into the underworld.

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This was also in my brain.

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So that was obviously the reason why I actually went there in January 2007.

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But of course it wasn't until March 2008. In fact sorry, May 2008 that the memoirs of Henry Sultre actually published that we began to realise that this was indeed perhaps a reality that this was the entrance to geese's fabled cave underworld.

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So of course when we went back there and found it to be the case we realised that this was indeed part of a much greater network which as I said is natural.

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And I think what's important here is to emphasise the fact that although there have been lots of rumors and stories regarding a cave underworld at geese, this is the first evidence,

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the first hard evidence of a natural cave system existing, you know, we produced literally hundreds of photographs which are now being revealed publicly by within the books and within the lectures that I'm giving.

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And there can be now doubt now that this cave underworld has existed not just since the time of the pyramid builders but perhaps for tens if not hundreds of thousands of years.

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It was originally carved out by the actions of water and may well produce evidence of early human activity on the plateau that goes back long before the age of the pharaohs.

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The book beneath the pyramids tells all about your discovery is there anything else you'd like to mention about your book?

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The book is ultimately a 30 year journey of discovery really because I was first introduced to the idea of the whole records back in 1979 and it intrigued me at this time and I first read about ecocacies readings to do it the same.

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Although it was really in 1995 that my own personal quest began as far as looking towards Egypt for real answers through basically a dream experience by a friend of mine who won night totally out the blow found himself in Egypt by the swings and disappearing beneath the bedrock into some kind of chamber.

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which he was able to describe afterwards.

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You know my background is as a journalist and writer but once I get a bin my bonnet as we say you know I follow it through until the end and this is exactly what we have done to achieve what we have got today and that is the rediscovery of geysus cave underworld.

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I'm very happy with it results. Andrew it has been such a pleasure to talk to you about your discovery.

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Thank you for being here with us today.

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Thank you very much.

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The need to pyramids is published by fourth dimension press an imprint of ARE press and available at airecatalot.com.

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Thank you very much.