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The title of my talk this evening is

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Forbidden Archaeology, Evidence for Extreme Human Antiquity

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and the Extraterrestrial Hypothesis.

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First, I'd like to introduce myself as a researcher in history of science

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for the Bakhti Vedanta Institute.

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That's the science studies branch of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness.

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And my work is inspired by the ancient Sanskrit writings of India.

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Now, I'm glad that I looked at the LA MUFON website

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before I came here this evening

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because then I learned what I was supposed to talk about.

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So, the topics I'm going to go over this evening are

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the archaeological evidence for extreme human antiquity

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and how it relates to different ideas connected with UFOs.

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Then I'm also going to give you a little bit of a preview

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of my next book, Human Devolution,

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which will be coming out this fall.

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And then I learned on the website

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that I was also supposed to speak about

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the latest developments on reports of a sunken city

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off the coast of India.

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And I'll also speak about some other research

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that I'm doing there.

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So, first of all,

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what does archaeology have to do with UFOs and aliens?

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There is a connection.

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Many in the field have offered theories

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about alien interventions

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and the origin of the human race.

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So, I think if we're going to talk about such things,

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we should know something

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about what archaeology tells us

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about a human presence on this planet.

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So that if we're going to speak about

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alien interventions and extraterrestrial interventions,

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we should be able to connect them

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with the actual archaeological facts

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and not just what we read about

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in the current textbooks.

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Now, as I mentioned,

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my work is inspired by my studies

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in the ancient Sanskrit writings of India.

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These writings tell us

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some very interesting things

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about the origin of the human race.

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They tell us, first of all,

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that human civilizations have been present

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on this planet for vast periods of cyclical time.

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The basic unit of this Vedic cyclical time

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is called the Day of Brahma.

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It lasts for 4,320,000,000 years.

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It's followed by a Night of Brahma,

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which also lasts for the same period of time,

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4,320,000,000 years.

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And during the Days of Brahma,

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life, including human life,

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is manifest in the universe.

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And during the nights,

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it's dormant or quiescent.

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Now, these ancient Sanskrit writings,

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they also speak of ape men.

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And this idea of ape men

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isn't something that was invented

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by a European scientist

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of the mid-19th century.

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Thousands of years before that,

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these ancient Sanskrit authors

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were speaking about such things.

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But according to them,

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alongside these ape men

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were existing humans of our type.

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And the period of coexistence

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goes back quite far in time.

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Actually, it goes back

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all the way to the beginning

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of the Day of Brahma.

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Vedic cosmological calendars,

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the Day of Brahma began

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about 2 billion years ago.

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So, you know,

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Vedic archaeologists might expect

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to find evidence for human presence

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going back that far,

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about 2 billion years.

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Now, these ideas

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that I've just briefly

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sketched out for you

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are, of course,

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somewhat different

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than the ideas

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about human origins

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that we get from

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Charles Darwin

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and his modern followers.

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Basically, they tell us

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that life began

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somewhere between

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2 and 3 billion years ago.

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the first apes and monkeys

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came into existence

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about 40 million years ago.

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the first ape men

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came into existence

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about 6 million years ago.

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they say that humans

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of our type

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came into existence

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only about

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100,000 years ago.

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they say that

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all of the physical evidence

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supports, you know,

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this picture

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of human origins.

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But, you know,

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when I did 8 years

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of research

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into the entire history

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of archaeology,

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I found something

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quite different.

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I found that

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over the past

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150 years,

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archaeologists

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have discovered

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huge amounts

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of evidence

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showing that humans

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of our type

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have been present

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on this planet

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for this entire

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period of time.

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And the evidence

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takes the form

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of human skeletal remains,

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human artifacts,

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and human footprints.

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Now, many people

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will ask,

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if there is so much

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evidence of this type,

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then why don't we

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hear about it so much?

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And Sandra and Jolene

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refer to this process

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of knowledge filtration,

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which we see, you know,

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illustrated here.

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we can call the blue box

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the knowledge filter.

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And I'm sure you're

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very familiar

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with how this operates

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in your fields,

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you know,

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of UFOs and aliens.

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the fixed ideas,

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you know,

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that scientists have

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about certain subjects,

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in this case,

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human origins.

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And reports of evidence

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that, you know,

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conform to these fixed ideas

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will pass through

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this social filter

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very easily,

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which means

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these facts

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will be mentioned

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in textbooks,

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scientists will speak

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about them

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at conferences,

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if you go to museums

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of natural history,

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you'll see the objects

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on display.

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of evidence

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that radically contradict

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these fixed ideas,

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then they tend to be

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rejected,

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which means

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we don't hear about them,

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we don't read about them

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in the textbooks,

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we don't see the objects

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in the museums.

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What I'd like to do

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now is go over

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some representative

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examples of the kinds

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of evidence

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that I'm talking about.

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in 1979,

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Mary Leakey,

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one of the most famous

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archaeologists

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of the 20th century,

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discovered dozens

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of footprints

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at a place

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called Le Tole

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that after careful study,

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that these footprints

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were absolutely

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footprints.

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the footprints

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in layers

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of solidified

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years old.

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a Vedic archaeologist

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wouldn't be surprised

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to find evidence

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that humans

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of our type

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the normal type

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it would seem

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quite surprising.

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the presence

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of those footprints.

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that 4 million years ago

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there must have existed

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some type of ape man

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who had feet

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exactly like ours.

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the footprints

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certainly possible.

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there's no physical evidence

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to support that idea.

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of the ape men

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that existed

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their feet

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than modern human feet.

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They're very ape-like.

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who had feet

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ours.

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this topic

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came up for me

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a couple of years ago

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when I spoke

307
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at the World Archaeological Congress

308
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in Cape Town,

309
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South Africa.

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Also speaking there

311
00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:10,720
was this scientist,

312
00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:11,500
Ron Clark,

313
00:09:11,580 --> 00:09:12,080
from England.

314
00:09:12,660 --> 00:09:15,040
He had announced

315
00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:16,080
the discovery

316
00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:17,900
of a fairly complete skeleton

317
00:09:17,900 --> 00:09:19,580
of Australopithecus

318
00:09:19,580 --> 00:09:21,480
from a place

319
00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:22,740
called Sterkfontein

320
00:09:22,740 --> 00:09:23,580
in South Africa.

321
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And

322
00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:25,840
among the bones

323
00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:26,940
were the foot bones

324
00:09:26,940 --> 00:09:27,540
of the creature.

325
00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:28,880
And

326
00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:32,200
from those bones,

327
00:09:32,340 --> 00:09:33,080
Clark made

328
00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:33,760
this model

329
00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:34,320
of the foot,

330
00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:35,720
which is

331
00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:37,920
quite ape-like

332
00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:38,680
as it should be

333
00:09:38,680 --> 00:09:39,640
because the bones,

334
00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:40,580
the foot bones

335
00:09:40,580 --> 00:09:41,040
of the creature

336
00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:41,920
were quite ape-like.

337
00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:43,240
For one thing,

338
00:09:43,980 --> 00:09:45,140
the first toe

339
00:09:45,140 --> 00:09:46,720
is very long

340
00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:47,720
and

341
00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:48,440
it can

342
00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:49,200
move out

343
00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:50,040
to the side

344
00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:50,840
like

345
00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:52,060
a human

346
00:09:52,060 --> 00:09:53,340
human thumb.

347
00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:55,080
Actually,

348
00:09:55,180 --> 00:09:55,560
it can move

349
00:09:55,560 --> 00:09:56,220
much further

350
00:09:56,220 --> 00:09:57,000
out to the side

351
00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:57,680
than you see it

352
00:09:57,680 --> 00:09:58,680
in this position here.

353
00:09:59,180 --> 00:10:00,500
The other toes

354
00:10:00,500 --> 00:10:01,360
are also

355
00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:03,460
quite long,

356
00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:04,480
sort of like

357
00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:06,160
short human fingers.

358
00:10:07,260 --> 00:10:07,280
So,

359
00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:09,380
I was,

360
00:10:09,540 --> 00:10:10,600
now this creature

361
00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:12,460
was about the same age

362
00:10:12,460 --> 00:10:13,840
as the footprints

363
00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:15,260
found by Mary Leakey.

364
00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:16,340
So,

365
00:10:16,540 --> 00:10:18,420
after Ron Clark spoke,

366
00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:19,340
I was in the audience

367
00:10:19,340 --> 00:10:20,860
and I put

368
00:10:20,860 --> 00:10:22,200
a question to him

369
00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:23,820
and my question was

370
00:10:23,820 --> 00:10:25,300
why doesn't this foot

371
00:10:25,300 --> 00:10:26,580
match the footprints

372
00:10:26,580 --> 00:10:27,440
that were found

373
00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:28,460
by Mary Leakey?

374
00:10:28,580 --> 00:10:28,740
I mean,

375
00:10:28,780 --> 00:10:29,800
you see what his problem

376
00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:30,580
was.

377
00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:31,440
He was advertising

378
00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:32,100
he had

379
00:10:32,100 --> 00:10:34,120
the oldest human ancestor

380
00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:35,340
but elsewhere in Africa

381
00:10:35,340 --> 00:10:36,040
there was evidence

382
00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:37,180
that humans of our type

383
00:10:37,180 --> 00:10:38,340
were walking around

384
00:10:38,340 --> 00:10:39,760
at the exact same time.

385
00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:40,840
So,

386
00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:42,480
how did he answer

387
00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:43,200
my question?

388
00:10:43,940 --> 00:10:44,800
Ron Clark said,

389
00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:45,140
well,

390
00:10:45,220 --> 00:10:45,840
it was

391
00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:47,280
my ape man

392
00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:48,620
who made those footprints

393
00:10:48,620 --> 00:10:50,780
found by Mary Leakey

394
00:10:50,780 --> 00:10:51,460
but,

395
00:10:51,560 --> 00:10:51,700
you know,

396
00:10:51,740 --> 00:10:52,500
he was walking

397
00:10:52,500 --> 00:10:53,740
with his long

398
00:10:53,740 --> 00:10:54,920
first toe

399
00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:56,600
pressed up tightly

400
00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:57,840
against the other ones

401
00:10:57,840 --> 00:10:58,100
you know,

402
00:10:58,120 --> 00:10:58,780
like this

403
00:10:58,780 --> 00:11:00,120
and he was also

404
00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:01,020
walking with his

405
00:11:01,020 --> 00:11:02,160
other long toes

406
00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:02,940
curled under

407
00:11:02,940 --> 00:11:04,020
like this.

408
00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:04,420
You know,

409
00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:05,100
that's how,

410
00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:05,880
you know,

411
00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:06,740
that's how the footprints

412
00:11:06,740 --> 00:11:07,380
were made.

413
00:11:08,020 --> 00:11:08,260
Now,

414
00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:08,740
I mean,

415
00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:09,640
some of you are laughing

416
00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:10,340
a little bit

417
00:11:10,340 --> 00:11:12,020
and in Cape Town

418
00:11:12,020 --> 00:11:13,160
I was also laughing

419
00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:13,820
a little bit

420
00:11:13,820 --> 00:11:14,860
and the reason

421
00:11:14,860 --> 00:11:16,140
I was laughing

422
00:11:16,140 --> 00:11:17,320
is that the 1,000

423
00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:18,200
archaeologists

424
00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:19,320
listening to Clark

425
00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:20,640
they weren't laughing.

426
00:11:21,420 --> 00:11:21,620
You know,

427
00:11:21,660 --> 00:11:22,080
they were just

428
00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:22,900
nodding their heads

429
00:11:22,900 --> 00:11:23,240
saying,

430
00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:23,700
oh yes,

431
00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:24,580
that sounds perfectly

432
00:11:24,580 --> 00:11:25,440
reasonable to me.

433
00:11:26,460 --> 00:11:27,420
It's another way

434
00:11:27,420 --> 00:11:28,040
in which this

435
00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:28,840
knowledge filtering

436
00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:30,680
process operates.

437
00:11:31,900 --> 00:11:33,120
Evidence for extreme

438
00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:33,920
human antiquity

439
00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:34,780
can be staring

440
00:11:34,780 --> 00:11:35,740
scientists right

441
00:11:35,740 --> 00:11:36,360
in the face

442
00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:37,680
but they will simply

443
00:11:37,680 --> 00:11:38,500
make some mental

444
00:11:38,500 --> 00:11:39,040
adjustment

445
00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:40,940
to conveniently

446
00:11:40,940 --> 00:11:42,140
explain it

447
00:11:42,140 --> 00:11:42,860
away.

448
00:11:43,820 --> 00:11:50,480
Now this is

449
00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:52,420
an anatomically

450
00:11:52,420 --> 00:11:53,780
modern skull.

451
00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:54,700
It was part

452
00:11:54,700 --> 00:11:55,520
of a fairly

453
00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:56,660
complete anatomically

454
00:11:56,660 --> 00:11:57,440
modern human

455
00:11:57,440 --> 00:11:57,940
skeleton.

456
00:11:58,120 --> 00:11:58,600
It was found

457
00:11:58,600 --> 00:11:59,020
by,

458
00:11:59,380 --> 00:11:59,560
you know,

459
00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:00,100
the Italian

460
00:12:00,100 --> 00:12:00,720
geologist

461
00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:01,940
Giuseppe Ragazzoni

462
00:12:01,940 --> 00:12:03,160
in the late

463
00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:04,120
19th century

464
00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:04,640
at a place

465
00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:05,860
called Castanedolo

466
00:12:05,860 --> 00:12:06,820
in northern Italy

467
00:12:06,820 --> 00:12:08,340
and he found

468
00:12:08,340 --> 00:12:08,940
it in layers

469
00:12:08,940 --> 00:12:09,520
of rock

470
00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:11,040
roughly 4 million

471
00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:11,740
years old.

472
00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:12,000
You know,

473
00:12:12,020 --> 00:12:12,760
the same age

474
00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:13,620
as the footprints

475
00:12:13,620 --> 00:12:14,940
found by Mary Leakey

476
00:12:14,940 --> 00:12:15,600
because sometimes

477
00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:16,200
people will say,

478
00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:16,420
okay,

479
00:12:16,500 --> 00:12:17,240
you've got footprints

480
00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:17,860
but what about

481
00:12:17,860 --> 00:12:18,480
a skeleton

482
00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:20,340
of a human being

483
00:12:20,340 --> 00:12:21,640
4 million years old?

484
00:12:21,680 --> 00:12:22,300
Do you have that?

485
00:12:22,380 --> 00:12:22,740
And yes,

486
00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:23,820
we do have that

487
00:12:23,820 --> 00:12:24,520
and this is

488
00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:25,760
part of the evidence.

489
00:12:26,700 --> 00:12:27,880
Now what I like to do

490
00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:29,160
in cases like this,

491
00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:29,640
I mean,

492
00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:31,660
just as you

493
00:12:31,660 --> 00:12:32,720
like to

494
00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:34,060
investigate

495
00:12:34,060 --> 00:12:35,400
UFO reports,

496
00:12:35,500 --> 00:12:36,340
I like to investigate

497
00:12:36,340 --> 00:12:37,460
things like this.

498
00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:39,060
You know,

499
00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:40,460
I went with an Italian

500
00:12:40,460 --> 00:12:41,420
friend of mine

501
00:12:41,420 --> 00:12:43,000
to northern Italy

502
00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:44,440
and we went to the town

503
00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:45,380
of Castanedolo

504
00:12:45,380 --> 00:12:45,980
and we tried

505
00:12:45,980 --> 00:12:46,000
and we tried

506
00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:46,960
to relocate

507
00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:48,260
the site

508
00:12:48,260 --> 00:12:49,540
where this discovery

509
00:12:49,540 --> 00:12:50,340
was made

510
00:12:50,340 --> 00:12:52,380
and going

511
00:12:52,380 --> 00:12:54,880
through the area

512
00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:55,560
we met

513
00:12:55,560 --> 00:12:56,720
at a house

514
00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:58,140
near the place

515
00:12:58,140 --> 00:12:59,040
where we were searching

516
00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:00,360
this gentleman,

517
00:13:00,900 --> 00:13:01,860
elderly gentleman

518
00:13:01,860 --> 00:13:03,040
and actually

519
00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:03,660
he turned out

520
00:13:03,660 --> 00:13:04,140
to know

521
00:13:04,140 --> 00:13:05,260
quite a bit

522
00:13:05,260 --> 00:13:06,740
about the case.

523
00:13:07,500 --> 00:13:08,640
Here I was giving him

524
00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:08,920
a,

525
00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:11,080
showing him

526
00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:11,560
a copy

527
00:13:11,560 --> 00:13:13,260
of the Italian edition

528
00:13:13,260 --> 00:13:13,880
of my book

529
00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:14,720
The Hidden History

530
00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:15,460
of the Human Race

531
00:13:15,460 --> 00:13:16,580
but he had

532
00:13:16,580 --> 00:13:17,380
in his possession

533
00:13:17,380 --> 00:13:18,740
some interesting

534
00:13:18,740 --> 00:13:19,560
documents.

535
00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:21,560
For example,

536
00:13:21,660 --> 00:13:22,220
he had this

537
00:13:22,220 --> 00:13:24,100
old geological report

538
00:13:24,100 --> 00:13:24,980
about the hill

539
00:13:24,980 --> 00:13:25,960
at Castanedolo

540
00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:27,180
where this particular

541
00:13:27,180 --> 00:13:28,360
discovery was

542
00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:29,720
made.

543
00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:31,940
There's mention here

544
00:13:31,940 --> 00:13:33,580
of Pliocene man.

545
00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:34,600
So Pliocene

546
00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:36,240
is the geological period

547
00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:37,160
that goes back

548
00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:37,740
to around

549
00:13:37,740 --> 00:13:38,940
four million years ago.

550
00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:42,940
This report

551
00:13:42,940 --> 00:13:44,360
contained

552
00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:45,140
a fairly

553
00:13:45,140 --> 00:13:46,300
detailed description

554
00:13:46,300 --> 00:13:47,020
of the exact

555
00:13:47,020 --> 00:13:47,560
place

556
00:13:47,560 --> 00:13:49,080
of the discovery

557
00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:51,000
and with the help

558
00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:51,820
of this gentleman

559
00:13:51,820 --> 00:13:53,900
and this detailed

560
00:13:53,900 --> 00:13:54,440
description

561
00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:55,760
and this old document

562
00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:57,560
we were able

563
00:13:57,560 --> 00:13:59,700
to relocate

564
00:13:59,700 --> 00:14:01,080
the site

565
00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:02,180
where this discovery

566
00:14:02,180 --> 00:14:03,040
was made

567
00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:04,220
and I think

568
00:14:04,220 --> 00:14:04,560
that's,

569
00:14:05,020 --> 00:14:05,240
it's,

570
00:14:06,180 --> 00:14:06,900
it provides

571
00:14:06,900 --> 00:14:07,600
an opportunity

572
00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:09,060
for further

573
00:14:09,060 --> 00:14:09,940
research

574
00:14:09,940 --> 00:14:10,640
research

575
00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:13,140
in this

576
00:14:13,140 --> 00:14:13,900
same area.

577
00:14:15,020 --> 00:14:15,220
Now,

578
00:14:15,660 --> 00:14:18,960
many times

579
00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:19,940
when,

580
00:14:20,140 --> 00:14:20,420
you know,

581
00:14:20,420 --> 00:14:21,460
scientists hear

582
00:14:21,460 --> 00:14:22,260
about

583
00:14:22,260 --> 00:14:24,260
a human skeleton

584
00:14:24,260 --> 00:14:25,000
being found

585
00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:25,680
in some very

586
00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:26,320
ancient layer

587
00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:26,820
of rock

588
00:14:26,820 --> 00:14:27,960
you know,

589
00:14:27,980 --> 00:14:28,500
they say

590
00:14:28,500 --> 00:14:29,480
look,

591
00:14:29,540 --> 00:14:30,540
it's very easy

592
00:14:30,540 --> 00:14:31,500
to explain.

593
00:14:31,860 --> 00:14:31,980
You know,

594
00:14:31,980 --> 00:14:32,780
there's no mystery

595
00:14:32,780 --> 00:14:33,660
here whatsoever.

596
00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:34,500
You know,

597
00:14:34,540 --> 00:14:35,040
what happened

598
00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:35,940
is very obvious.

599
00:14:35,940 --> 00:14:37,020
only a few

600
00:14:37,020 --> 00:14:37,900
thousand years

601
00:14:37,900 --> 00:14:38,280
ago

602
00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:39,440
someone died

603
00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:40,360
at this level

604
00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:40,840
here

605
00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:42,200
and then

606
00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:43,500
his friends

607
00:14:43,500 --> 00:14:44,200
dug a grave

608
00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:44,880
and put the

609
00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:45,680
skeleton down

610
00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:46,000
here

611
00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:46,440
and,

612
00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:46,720
you know,

613
00:14:46,780 --> 00:14:47,460
that's why

614
00:14:47,460 --> 00:14:47,940
you know,

615
00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:48,360
you think

616
00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:48,980
you found

617
00:14:48,980 --> 00:14:49,500
a human

618
00:14:49,500 --> 00:14:50,020
skeleton

619
00:14:50,020 --> 00:14:50,600
and a layer

620
00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:51,120
of rock

621
00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:52,120
four million

622
00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:52,780
years old.

623
00:14:53,500 --> 00:14:53,680
Now,

624
00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:54,800
things like that

625
00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:55,720
can happen,

626
00:14:55,820 --> 00:14:56,600
they do happen,

627
00:14:56,980 --> 00:14:57,480
but in this

628
00:14:57,480 --> 00:14:59,100
particular case,

629
00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:01,560
Ragazzoni,

630
00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:02,820
the discoverer

631
00:15:02,820 --> 00:15:03,420
of the skeleton

632
00:15:03,420 --> 00:15:04,400
was a professional

633
00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:05,080
geologist.

634
00:15:05,500 --> 00:15:06,220
He was very much

635
00:15:06,220 --> 00:15:06,740
aware of this

636
00:15:06,740 --> 00:15:07,160
problem

637
00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:09,040
and in his

638
00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:09,900
original reports

639
00:15:09,900 --> 00:15:10,260
he said

640
00:15:10,260 --> 00:15:10,920
if it had been

641
00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:11,440
a burial

642
00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:13,240
then all the

643
00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:14,260
overlying layers

644
00:15:14,260 --> 00:15:14,760
of rock

645
00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:15,260
would have been

646
00:15:15,260 --> 00:15:15,760
disturbed

647
00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:17,060
as we see here.

648
00:15:17,700 --> 00:15:18,200
But he said

649
00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:18,660
I checked

650
00:15:18,660 --> 00:15:19,560
very carefully

651
00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:20,180
when I was

652
00:15:20,180 --> 00:15:21,060
taking the skeleton

653
00:15:21,060 --> 00:15:21,980
out of the ground

654
00:15:21,980 --> 00:15:22,740
and I could see

655
00:15:22,740 --> 00:15:23,340
that all the

656
00:15:23,340 --> 00:15:24,220
overlying layers

657
00:15:24,220 --> 00:15:24,720
of rock

658
00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:25,660
were perfectly

659
00:15:25,660 --> 00:15:26,280
intact

660
00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:27,860
and undisturbed

661
00:15:27,860 --> 00:15:28,740
and that means

662
00:15:28,740 --> 00:15:29,320
the skeleton

663
00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:30,220
really is

664
00:15:30,220 --> 00:15:30,780
as old

665
00:15:30,780 --> 00:15:31,320
as the layer

666
00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:31,740
of rock

667
00:15:31,740 --> 00:15:32,140
in which it

668
00:15:32,140 --> 00:15:32,560
was found

669
00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:33,340
in this case

670
00:15:33,340 --> 00:15:35,320
4 million years.

671
00:15:40,860 --> 00:15:42,180
Now this is

672
00:15:42,180 --> 00:15:43,260
Carlos Ribeiro.

673
00:15:43,420 --> 00:15:43,980
He was

674
00:15:43,980 --> 00:15:44,440
the chief

675
00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:44,860
government

676
00:15:44,860 --> 00:15:45,560
geologist

677
00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:46,500
of Portugal

678
00:15:46,500 --> 00:15:47,600
in the latter

679
00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:48,080
part of the

680
00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:48,960
19th century

681
00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:50,860
and he discovered

682
00:15:50,860 --> 00:15:51,720
hundreds of

683
00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:52,400
human artifacts

684
00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:53,600
in his country

685
00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:54,200
of Portugal

686
00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:54,740
in layers

687
00:15:54,740 --> 00:15:55,320
of rock

688
00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:56,780
20 million

689
00:15:56,780 --> 00:15:57,680
years old.

690
00:15:59,860 --> 00:16:01,440
He displayed

691
00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:02,440
these artifacts

692
00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:03,340
in the Museum

693
00:16:03,340 --> 00:16:04,140
of Geology

694
00:16:04,140 --> 00:16:04,900
in Lisbon

695
00:16:04,900 --> 00:16:06,240
and I visited

696
00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:07,060
that museum

697
00:16:07,060 --> 00:16:07,600
a couple of

698
00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:08,160
years ago

699
00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:10,060
but you won't

700
00:16:10,060 --> 00:16:10,880
see the objects

701
00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:11,640
on display

702
00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:12,200
today.

703
00:16:12,540 --> 00:16:13,100
He displayed

704
00:16:13,100 --> 00:16:13,560
them here

705
00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:14,400
in these cases

706
00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:15,080
but today

707
00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:15,600
they're kept

708
00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:16,060
locked

709
00:16:16,060 --> 00:16:16,520
in these

710
00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:17,060
cabinets

711
00:16:17,060 --> 00:16:17,960
down here

712
00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:19,560
where nobody

713
00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:20,340
can see them.

714
00:16:21,340 --> 00:16:22,300
Now I did

715
00:16:22,300 --> 00:16:22,940
get permission

716
00:16:22,940 --> 00:16:24,180
from the director

717
00:16:24,180 --> 00:16:24,800
of the museum

718
00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:25,880
to study

719
00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:26,480
and photograph

720
00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:27,660
these objects

721
00:16:27,660 --> 00:16:28,640
for a report

722
00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:29,200
I gave

723
00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:30,040
at the European

724
00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:31,040
Association of

725
00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:31,740
Archaeologists

726
00:16:31,740 --> 00:16:32,480
annual meeting

727
00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:33,140
which was held

728
00:16:33,140 --> 00:16:33,660
in Lisbon

729
00:16:33,660 --> 00:16:34,160
a couple of

730
00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:34,660
years ago

731
00:16:34,660 --> 00:16:36,560
and this is

732
00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:37,340
a photograph

733
00:16:37,340 --> 00:16:37,980
of one of the

734
00:16:37,980 --> 00:16:38,300
artifacts.

735
00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:39,180
It's a pointed

736
00:16:39,180 --> 00:16:40,280
artifact

737
00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:41,180
made of

738
00:16:41,180 --> 00:16:41,880
flint

739
00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:42,960
and it has

740
00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:43,740
use marks

741
00:16:43,740 --> 00:16:44,240
on it.

742
00:16:44,780 --> 00:16:45,340
It comes

743
00:16:45,340 --> 00:16:45,900
from a place

744
00:16:45,900 --> 00:16:46,220
called

745
00:16:46,220 --> 00:16:47,140
Morgonhera

746
00:16:47,140 --> 00:16:49,200
in Portugal.

747
00:16:49,940 --> 00:16:50,800
It's interesting

748
00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:51,520
what happened

749
00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:52,640
with this

750
00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:53,660
artifact.

751
00:16:54,380 --> 00:16:55,060
As I said

752
00:16:55,060 --> 00:16:57,320
it came

753
00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:57,860
from layers

754
00:16:57,860 --> 00:16:58,320
of rock

755
00:16:58,320 --> 00:16:59,000
20 million

756
00:16:59,000 --> 00:16:59,720
years old

757
00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:01,940
and when

758
00:17:01,940 --> 00:17:02,600
Ribeiro

759
00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:03,520
was living

760
00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:05,120
the objects

761
00:17:05,120 --> 00:17:05,940
were displayed

762
00:17:05,940 --> 00:17:06,900
in the museum

763
00:17:06,900 --> 00:17:08,620
with labels

764
00:17:08,620 --> 00:17:09,340
indicating an

765
00:17:09,340 --> 00:17:09,960
age of

766
00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:10,820
20 million

767
00:17:10,820 --> 00:17:11,240
years.

768
00:17:11,580 --> 00:17:11,980
Now when he

769
00:17:11,980 --> 00:17:12,420
died

770
00:17:12,420 --> 00:17:13,660
the next

771
00:17:13,660 --> 00:17:14,180
generation

772
00:17:14,180 --> 00:17:14,760
of officials

773
00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:15,560
in the museum

774
00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:16,400
left the

775
00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:17,120
objects on

776
00:17:17,120 --> 00:17:17,540
display

777
00:17:17,540 --> 00:17:18,520
but they

778
00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:19,200
changed the

779
00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:19,580
labels

780
00:17:19,580 --> 00:17:20,220
and this

781
00:17:20,220 --> 00:17:20,480
is the

782
00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:21,080
new label

783
00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:21,480
that they

784
00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:21,980
wrote for

785
00:17:21,980 --> 00:17:22,640
that particular

786
00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:24,520
object.

787
00:17:25,380 --> 00:17:26,740
The first

788
00:17:26,740 --> 00:17:27,480
line says

789
00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:28,220
instrument of

790
00:17:28,220 --> 00:17:28,680
flint.

791
00:17:29,500 --> 00:17:30,160
It comes

792
00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:31,280
from Morgonhera.

793
00:17:31,500 --> 00:17:31,720
It was

794
00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:32,560
discovered by

795
00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:33,100
Ribeiro.

796
00:17:33,620 --> 00:17:34,460
This line

797
00:17:34,460 --> 00:17:35,000
gives the

798
00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:35,420
age.

799
00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:35,860
It says

800
00:17:35,860 --> 00:17:36,860
paleolitico

801
00:17:36,860 --> 00:17:37,320
superior.

802
00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:38,000
That means

803
00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:38,420
the upper

804
00:17:38,420 --> 00:17:39,040
paleolithic

805
00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:40,840
and according

806
00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:42,140
to archaeologists

807
00:17:42,140 --> 00:17:42,660
the upper

808
00:17:42,660 --> 00:17:43,340
paleolithic

809
00:17:43,340 --> 00:17:44,080
period in

810
00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:44,300
Europe

811
00:17:44,300 --> 00:17:45,040
goes back

812
00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:46,280
about 20,000

813
00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:46,660
years.

814
00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:47,560
So it's

815
00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:47,980
interesting

816
00:17:47,980 --> 00:17:48,380
what they

817
00:17:48,380 --> 00:17:48,700
did.

818
00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:50,740
They looked

819
00:17:50,740 --> 00:17:51,000
at the

820
00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:51,340
objects

821
00:17:51,340 --> 00:17:51,700
and said

822
00:17:51,700 --> 00:17:52,300
20 million

823
00:17:52,300 --> 00:17:52,700
years?

824
00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:53,100
That's

825
00:17:53,100 --> 00:17:53,620
impossible.

826
00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:55,160
20,000

827
00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:55,580
years?

828
00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:56,460
That sounds

829
00:17:56,460 --> 00:17:57,380
about right.

830
00:17:57,800 --> 00:17:58,160
So they

831
00:17:58,160 --> 00:17:58,540
wrote the

832
00:17:58,540 --> 00:17:59,200
new labels

833
00:17:59,200 --> 00:17:59,720
for the

834
00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:00,060
artifacts.

835
00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:01,040
But then

836
00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:01,500
the next

837
00:18:01,500 --> 00:18:02,100
generation

838
00:18:02,100 --> 00:18:02,840
of officials

839
00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:03,300
in the

840
00:18:03,300 --> 00:18:03,700
museum

841
00:18:03,700 --> 00:18:04,580
they put

842
00:18:04,580 --> 00:18:04,940
the whole

843
00:18:04,940 --> 00:18:05,460
collection

844
00:18:05,460 --> 00:18:06,140
away.

845
00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:07,460
And if

846
00:18:07,460 --> 00:18:07,740
you went

847
00:18:07,740 --> 00:18:08,000
to that

848
00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:08,360
museum

849
00:18:08,360 --> 00:18:08,780
today

850
00:18:08,780 --> 00:18:09,380
you would

851
00:18:09,380 --> 00:18:11,000
not see

852
00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:11,280
these

853
00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:11,740
objects.

854
00:18:12,340 --> 00:18:12,720
You would

855
00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:13,320
not even

856
00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:14,020
be aware

857
00:18:14,020 --> 00:18:14,920
that they

858
00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:15,480
were even

859
00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:15,900
there.

860
00:18:19,100 --> 00:18:20,100
A similar

861
00:18:20,100 --> 00:18:20,640
case from

862
00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:21,060
Belgium.

863
00:18:21,540 --> 00:18:22,380
This is

864
00:18:22,380 --> 00:18:23,080
the Belgian

865
00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:23,660
geologist

866
00:18:23,660 --> 00:18:24,180
Routot.

867
00:18:24,360 --> 00:18:24,880
Early in

868
00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:25,960
the 20th

869
00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:26,520
century he

870
00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:27,300
discovered

871
00:18:27,300 --> 00:18:29,680
hundreds of

872
00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:30,700
human artifacts

873
00:18:30,700 --> 00:18:31,820
at a place

874
00:18:31,820 --> 00:18:32,360
called

875
00:18:32,360 --> 00:18:34,700
Boncel in

876
00:18:34,700 --> 00:18:35,740
Belgium.

877
00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:38,060
And using

878
00:18:38,060 --> 00:18:38,660
his old

879
00:18:38,660 --> 00:18:39,320
maps and

880
00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:40,280
documents I

881
00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:41,160
rediscovered

882
00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:41,760
the place

883
00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:42,120
where he

884
00:18:42,120 --> 00:18:42,680
found these.

885
00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:43,260
this is an

886
00:18:43,260 --> 00:18:44,120
old quarry

887
00:18:44,120 --> 00:18:45,160
near

888
00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:45,840
Boncel.

889
00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:47,560
Belgian

890
00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:48,200
archaeologists

891
00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:48,700
told me

892
00:18:48,700 --> 00:18:50,420
you're just

893
00:18:50,420 --> 00:18:51,040
wasting your

894
00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:51,460
time.

895
00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:52,200
You'll never

896
00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:52,760
find the

897
00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:53,160
place.

898
00:18:53,500 --> 00:18:54,120
It's probably

899
00:18:54,120 --> 00:18:54,680
a parking

900
00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:55,300
lot or a

901
00:18:55,300 --> 00:18:56,060
supermarket by

902
00:18:56,060 --> 00:18:56,420
now.

903
00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:58,120
But I did

904
00:18:58,120 --> 00:18:58,840
rediscover the

905
00:18:58,840 --> 00:18:59,160
place.

906
00:18:59,300 --> 00:18:59,500
And he

907
00:18:59,500 --> 00:19:00,740
found these

908
00:19:00,740 --> 00:19:02,740
artifacts in

909
00:19:02,740 --> 00:19:04,280
these bottom

910
00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:05,520
layers of

911
00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:06,280
this quarry.

912
00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:07,120
And these

913
00:19:07,120 --> 00:19:07,820
layers down

914
00:19:07,820 --> 00:19:08,240
here,

915
00:19:08,740 --> 00:19:09,380
according to

916
00:19:09,380 --> 00:19:10,460
both Routot

917
00:19:10,460 --> 00:19:11,120
and modern

918
00:19:11,120 --> 00:19:11,780
geologists,

919
00:19:11,940 --> 00:19:12,320
are about

920
00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:13,180
30 million

921
00:19:13,180 --> 00:19:15,240
years old.

922
00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:17,160
Now, the

923
00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:19,860
objects are

924
00:19:19,860 --> 00:19:21,060
still in the

925
00:19:21,060 --> 00:19:22,520
collection of

926
00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:23,220
the Royal

927
00:19:23,220 --> 00:19:24,040
Museum of

928
00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:24,980
Natural Sciences

929
00:19:24,980 --> 00:19:25,680
in Brussels.

930
00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:27,400
If you go to

931
00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:27,960
that museum,

932
00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:28,780
you won't see

933
00:19:28,780 --> 00:19:28,980
them.

934
00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:29,520
Now, if you'd

935
00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:30,040
gone there in

936
00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:30,900
the year 1920,

937
00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:31,600
you would have

938
00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:33,100
seen them on

939
00:19:33,100 --> 00:19:33,960
display in the

940
00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:34,540
main hall of

941
00:19:34,540 --> 00:19:35,420
the museum with

942
00:19:35,420 --> 00:19:36,300
ages of 30

943
00:19:36,300 --> 00:19:37,080
million years

944
00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:37,700
attached to

945
00:19:37,700 --> 00:19:37,900
them.

946
00:19:37,900 --> 00:19:39,660
But after

947
00:19:39,660 --> 00:19:40,800
Routot died,

948
00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:41,520
his colleagues

949
00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:41,960
thought, we

950
00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:42,560
can't have

951
00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:42,900
this.

952
00:19:43,060 --> 00:19:43,420
This is

953
00:19:43,420 --> 00:19:43,980
impossible.

954
00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:44,800
Humans didn't

955
00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:45,640
exist 30

956
00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:46,220
million years

957
00:19:46,220 --> 00:19:46,520
ago.

958
00:19:47,100 --> 00:19:47,780
So they

959
00:19:47,780 --> 00:19:49,540
took the

960
00:19:49,540 --> 00:19:51,080
collection off

961
00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:51,840
the display

962
00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:52,980
shelves and

963
00:19:52,980 --> 00:19:53,420
they locked

964
00:19:53,420 --> 00:19:54,300
them away in

965
00:19:54,300 --> 00:19:59,960
the storage

966
00:19:59,960 --> 00:20:00,740
rooms of the

967
00:20:00,740 --> 00:20:01,280
Department of

968
00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:01,980
Archaeology.

969
00:20:02,940 --> 00:20:03,700
Now, I

970
00:20:03,700 --> 00:20:04,340
went there

971
00:20:04,340 --> 00:20:06,000
about a year

972
00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:06,440
and a half

973
00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:08,020
ago and I

974
00:20:08,020 --> 00:20:08,480
did get

975
00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:09,620
permission from

976
00:20:09,620 --> 00:20:10,120
the director

977
00:20:10,120 --> 00:20:10,380
of the

978
00:20:10,380 --> 00:20:11,300
museum to

979
00:20:11,300 --> 00:20:12,620
see and

980
00:20:12,620 --> 00:20:13,680
photograph these

981
00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:14,600
artifacts for

982
00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:15,280
a report I

983
00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:16,560
gave at a

984
00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:17,460
major international

985
00:20:17,460 --> 00:20:18,940
conference on

986
00:20:18,940 --> 00:20:19,940
archaeology that

987
00:20:19,940 --> 00:20:20,560
was held in

988
00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:20,860
Europe.

989
00:20:22,360 --> 00:20:23,140
They're still

990
00:20:23,140 --> 00:20:23,480
there.

991
00:20:23,940 --> 00:20:24,560
If you go

992
00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:25,020
there, you

993
00:20:25,020 --> 00:20:25,500
won't see

994
00:20:25,500 --> 00:20:26,100
them, however.

995
00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:30,740
Now, a case

996
00:20:30,740 --> 00:20:31,980
from our own

997
00:20:31,980 --> 00:20:32,560
state of

998
00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:33,160
California.

999
00:20:33,300 --> 00:20:33,660
It's always

1000
00:20:33,660 --> 00:20:34,540
fascinated me,

1001
00:20:34,540 --> 00:20:35,260
the California

1002
00:20:35,260 --> 00:20:35,880
gold mine

1003
00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:36,440
discoveries.

1004
00:20:37,100 --> 00:20:38,260
Of course, we

1005
00:20:38,260 --> 00:20:40,120
all know about

1006
00:20:40,120 --> 00:20:40,720
the California

1007
00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:42,320
gold rush and

1008
00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:43,280
the miners came

1009
00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:43,960
from around the

1010
00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:44,440
world to get

1011
00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:45,140
the gold there.

1012
00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:46,900
To get it, they

1013
00:20:46,900 --> 00:20:47,920
dug tunnels into

1014
00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:48,660
the sides of

1015
00:20:48,660 --> 00:20:49,160
mountains.

1016
00:20:49,860 --> 00:20:50,760
This is Table

1017
00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:51,380
Mountain in

1018
00:20:51,380 --> 00:20:52,280
Tualumny County.

1019
00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:54,920
Deep inside the

1020
00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:55,580
tunnels, the

1021
00:20:55,580 --> 00:20:56,360
miners found

1022
00:20:56,360 --> 00:20:57,360
human skeletons

1023
00:20:57,360 --> 00:20:58,820
and hundreds of

1024
00:20:58,820 --> 00:20:59,800
human artifacts in

1025
00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:00,680
the solid rock.

1026
00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,980
For example, they

1027
00:21:03,980 --> 00:21:04,760
found many

1028
00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:05,520
dozens of these

1029
00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:06,080
mortars and

1030
00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:06,620
pestles.

1031
00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:07,780
What makes these

1032
00:21:07,780 --> 00:21:09,860
discoveries interesting

1033
00:21:09,860 --> 00:21:11,340
is they're found in

1034
00:21:11,340 --> 00:21:12,580
layers of solid rock

1035
00:21:12,580 --> 00:21:13,620
that belonged to

1036
00:21:13,620 --> 00:21:15,200
the early part of

1037
00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:15,840
the geological

1038
00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:16,880
period called the

1039
00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:18,060
Eocene, which

1040
00:21:18,060 --> 00:21:19,040
means these objects

1041
00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:20,300
would be about 50

1042
00:21:20,300 --> 00:21:22,320
million years old.

1043
00:21:23,260 --> 00:21:24,680
Now, a Vedic

1044
00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:25,720
archaeologist wouldn't

1045
00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:27,000
be surprised by this,

1046
00:21:27,140 --> 00:21:28,320
but the average

1047
00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:29,400
archaeologist today

1048
00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:30,240
would find it quite

1049
00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:31,220
impossible because

1050
00:21:31,220 --> 00:21:32,540
50 million years ago

1051
00:21:32,540 --> 00:21:33,560
is before the time

1052
00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:34,340
of the first apes

1053
00:21:34,340 --> 00:21:34,880
and monkeys,

1054
00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:36,560
according to their

1055
00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:37,580
picture of the

1056
00:21:37,580 --> 00:21:38,440
history of life on

1057
00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:40,000
this planet, which

1058
00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:40,940
may be in need of

1059
00:21:40,940 --> 00:21:41,760
revision.

1060
00:21:46,900 --> 00:21:47,640
Now, these

1061
00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:48,500
discoveries were

1062
00:21:48,500 --> 00:21:49,300
reported to the

1063
00:21:49,300 --> 00:21:50,280
scientific world by

1064
00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:51,200
Dr. J.D.

1065
00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:52,220
Whitney, who was

1066
00:21:52,220 --> 00:21:53,320
the chief government

1067
00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:54,260
geologist of

1068
00:21:54,260 --> 00:21:54,900
California.

1069
00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:56,780
He wrote a

1070
00:21:56,780 --> 00:21:57,680
massive book about

1071
00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:58,180
them that was

1072
00:21:58,180 --> 00:21:59,160
published by Harvard

1073
00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:00,180
University in the

1074
00:22:00,180 --> 00:22:01,840
year 1880, but we

1075
00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:03,620
don't hear very much

1076
00:22:03,620 --> 00:22:04,180
about these

1077
00:22:04,180 --> 00:22:05,360
discoveries today

1078
00:22:05,360 --> 00:22:06,220
because of this

1079
00:22:06,220 --> 00:22:08,020
process of

1080
00:22:08,020 --> 00:22:08,700
knowledge

1081
00:22:08,700 --> 00:22:11,360
filtration, and

1082
00:22:11,360 --> 00:22:11,940
this is the

1083
00:22:11,940 --> 00:22:13,060
scientist most

1084
00:22:13,060 --> 00:22:14,120
responsible for the

1085
00:22:14,120 --> 00:22:14,920
knowledge filtering

1086
00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:16,060
process in this

1087
00:22:16,060 --> 00:22:16,900
particular case.

1088
00:22:17,020 --> 00:22:17,700
This is Dr.

1089
00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:19,000
William B.

1090
00:22:19,140 --> 00:22:19,860
Holmes of the

1091
00:22:19,860 --> 00:22:20,360
Smithsonian

1092
00:22:20,360 --> 00:22:21,480
Institution in

1093
00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:22,740
Washington, and

1094
00:22:22,740 --> 00:22:23,340
what he said is

1095
00:22:23,340 --> 00:22:23,600
this.

1096
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:25,280
He said, if Dr.

1097
00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:25,940
Whitney had

1098
00:22:25,940 --> 00:22:27,400
understood the

1099
00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:28,620
theory of human

1100
00:22:28,620 --> 00:22:30,000
evolution, then he

1101
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:30,460
would not have

1102
00:22:30,460 --> 00:22:31,260
announced those

1103
00:22:31,260 --> 00:22:32,480
discoveries, despite

1104
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:33,780
the imposing array of

1105
00:22:33,780 --> 00:22:34,620
facts with which he

1106
00:22:34,620 --> 00:22:35,240
was confronted.

1107
00:22:35,860 --> 00:22:36,800
In other words, if the

1108
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:38,140
facts did not go

1109
00:22:38,140 --> 00:22:39,160
along with the

1110
00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:39,780
theory, then the

1111
00:22:39,780 --> 00:22:40,700
facts had to be put

1112
00:22:40,700 --> 00:22:41,700
aside, and that's

1113
00:22:41,700 --> 00:22:43,340
exactly what

1114
00:22:43,340 --> 00:22:43,860
happened.

1115
00:22:43,860 --> 00:22:47,300
And Sandra asked me to

1116
00:22:47,300 --> 00:22:48,300
say a few words

1117
00:22:48,300 --> 00:22:51,080
about some of the

1118
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:52,300
reactions that came

1119
00:22:52,300 --> 00:22:53,340
when we started

1120
00:22:53,340 --> 00:22:54,580
trying to get these

1121
00:22:54,580 --> 00:22:55,360
facts out to the

1122
00:22:55,360 --> 00:22:55,680
public.

1123
00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:58,540
As Sandra mentioned, a

1124
00:22:58,540 --> 00:22:59,520
few years ago I was a

1125
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:01,880
consultant for an NBC

1126
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:02,960
television special

1127
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:04,060
called The Mysterious

1128
00:23:04,060 --> 00:23:05,320
Origins of Man, hosted

1129
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:06,480
by Charlton Heston.

1130
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,660
And the book was

1131
00:23:09,660 --> 00:23:10,760
largely based on the

1132
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:11,720
material from, I

1133
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:12,540
mean, the television

1134
00:23:12,540 --> 00:23:13,700
program was largely

1135
00:23:13,700 --> 00:23:15,180
based on material from

1136
00:23:15,180 --> 00:23:16,260
my book, Forbidden

1137
00:23:16,260 --> 00:23:17,040
Archaeology.

1138
00:23:17,980 --> 00:23:18,980
And during the

1139
00:23:18,980 --> 00:23:21,020
filming, we tried to

1140
00:23:21,020 --> 00:23:22,620
get permission to see

1141
00:23:22,620 --> 00:23:23,700
the artifacts, which

1142
00:23:23,700 --> 00:23:24,780
are in the collection

1143
00:23:24,780 --> 00:23:25,380
of the Phoebe

1144
00:23:25,380 --> 00:23:26,280
Hearst Museum of

1145
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:27,960
Anthropology at the

1146
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:28,560
University of

1147
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:29,240
California at

1148
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:29,500
Berkeley.

1149
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:30,600
We were refused

1150
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:32,340
permission at that

1151
00:23:32,340 --> 00:23:32,840
time.

1152
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:35,500
And nevertheless, we

1153
00:23:35,500 --> 00:23:36,460
did go on with the

1154
00:23:36,460 --> 00:23:38,040
program, but it was

1155
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:39,500
interesting to see, you

1156
00:23:39,500 --> 00:23:40,220
know, what happened

1157
00:23:40,220 --> 00:23:44,760
when scientists learned

1158
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:45,980
that this program was

1159
00:23:45,980 --> 00:23:46,880
going to be shown on

1160
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:48,420
NBC, they tried to get

1161
00:23:48,420 --> 00:23:50,180
the General Electric

1162
00:23:50,180 --> 00:23:51,220
Company, which owns

1163
00:23:51,220 --> 00:23:52,820
NBC, to stop NBC

1164
00:23:52,820 --> 00:23:53,660
from showing the

1165
00:23:53,660 --> 00:23:54,160
program.

1166
00:23:54,580 --> 00:23:55,040
They weren't

1167
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:55,660
successful.

1168
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:57,720
The program was shown

1169
00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:58,660
several times.

1170
00:24:00,020 --> 00:24:01,860
And then, it was

1171
00:24:01,860 --> 00:24:02,440
interesting what

1172
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:02,880
happened.

1173
00:24:03,500 --> 00:24:04,860
The scientists

1174
00:24:04,860 --> 00:24:06,440
attempted to

1175
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:07,980
get the United States

1176
00:24:07,980 --> 00:24:09,060
government to punish

1177
00:24:09,060 --> 00:24:11,140
NBC for showing the

1178
00:24:11,140 --> 00:24:11,700
program.

1179
00:24:11,940 --> 00:24:12,860
And this is a letter

1180
00:24:12,860 --> 00:24:14,860
from one of them to

1181
00:24:14,860 --> 00:24:16,520
the FCC, asking the

1182
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:18,180
FCC to investigate and

1183
00:24:18,180 --> 00:24:19,600
censure NBC for having

1184
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:20,780
shown this program to

1185
00:24:20,780 --> 00:24:21,680
the American people.

1186
00:24:22,180 --> 00:24:23,340
And this wasn't just one

1187
00:24:23,340 --> 00:24:25,060
isolated letter that one

1188
00:24:25,060 --> 00:24:26,540
scientist sent in.

1189
00:24:26,900 --> 00:24:28,020
This was an organized

1190
00:24:28,020 --> 00:24:29,680
campaign run from the

1191
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:30,860
University of California

1192
00:24:30,860 --> 00:24:31,440
at Berkeley.

1193
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:33,280
Scientists all over

1194
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:34,640
America and all over the

1195
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,280
world were invited to send

1196
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,520
letters of support to the

1197
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,940
FCC in support of this.

1198
00:24:41,980 --> 00:24:43,120
And what they wanted the

1199
00:24:43,120 --> 00:24:46,100
FCC to do was to force

1200
00:24:46,100 --> 00:24:47,600
NBC to make prime time

1201
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:48,960
apologies for having shown

1202
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:49,580
the program.

1203
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,200
And also, they wanted NBC

1204
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,080
to be fined millions of

1205
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:55,460
dollars so that they would

1206
00:24:55,460 --> 00:24:56,600
never do anything like this

1207
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:56,900
again.

1208
00:24:56,900 --> 00:24:59,880
Now, I'm happy to say

1209
00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:01,960
that the FCC didn't do

1210
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,380
that, but it may be a

1211
00:25:04,380 --> 00:25:06,680
fact that because of

1212
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:08,660
attempts like this, the

1213
00:25:08,660 --> 00:25:10,920
networks may have been a

1214
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:11,800
little bit intimidated.

1215
00:25:12,460 --> 00:25:14,560
So we'll see what they'll

1216
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,880
do in the future regarding

1217
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:17,780
getting more of this

1218
00:25:17,780 --> 00:25:19,040
information out to the

1219
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:19,360
public.

1220
00:25:19,360 --> 00:25:22,480
Now, it's interesting.

1221
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:24,860
Recently, I re-approached

1222
00:25:24,860 --> 00:25:27,300
the officials at the

1223
00:25:27,300 --> 00:25:28,700
Museum of Anthropology at

1224
00:25:28,700 --> 00:25:29,860
the University of California

1225
00:25:29,860 --> 00:25:30,360
at Berkeley.

1226
00:25:31,340 --> 00:25:37,220
And this time, I went to

1227
00:25:37,220 --> 00:25:41,400
them because I wanted to

1228
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:42,520
present a paper on these

1229
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:43,780
discoveries at the next

1230
00:25:43,780 --> 00:25:44,920
World Archaeological

1231
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:46,420
Congress, which is being

1232
00:25:46,420 --> 00:25:47,860
held in Washington, D.C.

1233
00:25:47,860 --> 00:25:48,460
in June.

1234
00:25:49,120 --> 00:25:50,540
And actually, I'm one of

1235
00:25:50,540 --> 00:25:52,020
the co-organizers of a

1236
00:25:52,020 --> 00:25:53,140
section on history of

1237
00:25:53,140 --> 00:25:54,640
archaeology for that

1238
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:55,800
conference, which is one

1239
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:57,700
of the major international

1240
00:25:57,700 --> 00:25:59,560
gatherings of professional

1241
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:00,560
archaeologists.

1242
00:26:01,500 --> 00:26:03,320
So on the strength of

1243
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:07,380
that, they did allow me to

1244
00:26:07,380 --> 00:26:09,780
go into the storerooms of

1245
00:26:09,780 --> 00:26:12,160
the museum and photograph and

1246
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,220
study the artifacts, finally.

1247
00:26:14,220 --> 00:26:19,200
And this is a picture of me in

1248
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,740
the museum there, storerooms.

1249
00:26:22,340 --> 00:26:24,120
And these are some of those

1250
00:26:24,120 --> 00:26:26,640
very same 50-million-year-old

1251
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:28,320
artifacts from the California

1252
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,540
gold mines, which are not

1253
00:26:31,540 --> 00:26:33,080
displayed to the public, but

1254
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,080
with some persistence, I was

1255
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:36,980
able to get in there and see

1256
00:26:36,980 --> 00:26:37,220
them.

1257
00:26:37,780 --> 00:26:39,100
And then also, from some of the

1258
00:26:39,100 --> 00:26:41,540
old maps and documents, I

1259
00:26:41,540 --> 00:26:42,740
decided I wanted to try to

1260
00:26:42,740 --> 00:26:44,740
relocate some of the gold mines

1261
00:26:44,740 --> 00:26:47,620
that these objects came from.

1262
00:26:48,740 --> 00:26:55,160
So, this is Table Mountain in

1263
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,180
Tuolumne County as it exists

1264
00:26:57,180 --> 00:26:57,720
today.

1265
00:26:58,520 --> 00:26:59,340
You know, I showed you the

1266
00:26:59,340 --> 00:27:00,280
diagram there.

1267
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:02,800
So, trying to find these gold

1268
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:04,940
mines was like looking for

1269
00:27:04,940 --> 00:27:06,820
needles and haystacks, but

1270
00:27:06,820 --> 00:27:09,520
somehow or other with my team

1271
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,340
assistants, this is on the left

1272
00:27:12,340 --> 00:27:14,120
there, Lori, who's back there

1273
00:27:14,120 --> 00:27:16,120
at the table, and another one

1274
00:27:16,120 --> 00:27:19,120
of my assistants is a graduate

1275
00:27:19,120 --> 00:27:20,740
student in archaeology.

1276
00:27:20,820 --> 00:27:22,260
Using the old maps and

1277
00:27:22,260 --> 00:27:25,460
documents, we actually were able

1278
00:27:25,460 --> 00:27:27,860
to find, now I can't tell you

1279
00:27:27,860 --> 00:27:31,740
exactly where this is, but we

1280
00:27:31,740 --> 00:27:33,300
were able to locate some of the

1281
00:27:33,300 --> 00:27:36,780
old mining tunnels where these

1282
00:27:36,780 --> 00:27:39,860
objects were found, and it's

1283
00:27:39,860 --> 00:27:40,980
going to be the subject of

1284
00:27:40,980 --> 00:27:44,060
some further research.

1285
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,140
Now, I mean, how far back in

1286
00:27:48,140 --> 00:27:49,500
time does this evidence really

1287
00:27:49,500 --> 00:27:49,800
go?

1288
00:27:50,300 --> 00:27:54,220
This is a, well, one thing I'd

1289
00:27:54,220 --> 00:27:55,540
like to point out is all the

1290
00:27:55,540 --> 00:27:56,820
discoveries I've mentioned to

1291
00:27:56,820 --> 00:27:57,980
you up to this point are

1292
00:27:57,980 --> 00:27:59,300
discoveries that were made by

1293
00:27:59,300 --> 00:28:00,840
professional scientists and

1294
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:02,180
reported in the professional

1295
00:28:02,180 --> 00:28:03,220
scientific literature.

1296
00:28:03,220 --> 00:28:06,620
But, I mean, just as in the

1297
00:28:06,620 --> 00:28:09,320
case of UFOs, you know, it's

1298
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,780
not just that scientists see

1299
00:28:11,780 --> 00:28:13,160
these things or find these

1300
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:13,380
things.

1301
00:28:13,500 --> 00:28:16,320
Ordinary people also make

1302
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:17,340
discoveries, and their

1303
00:28:17,340 --> 00:28:18,480
reports, although you might

1304
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,040
not find them in the pages of

1305
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:21,860
the scientific literature, they

1306
00:28:21,860 --> 00:28:22,980
might make their way into

1307
00:28:22,980 --> 00:28:24,100
other literature, such as

1308
00:28:24,100 --> 00:28:25,100
ordinary newspapers.

1309
00:28:26,100 --> 00:28:27,780
So this is a report from the

1310
00:28:27,780 --> 00:28:29,420
Morrisonville Times, from

1311
00:28:29,420 --> 00:28:30,760
Morrisonville, Illinois, the

1312
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:31,760
year 1892.

1313
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:33,980
It tells us of a gold chain

1314
00:28:33,980 --> 00:28:35,400
that was found solidly

1315
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,300
embedded in a piece of coal.

1316
00:28:38,620 --> 00:28:40,320
You know, this piece of coal

1317
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,720
was being put by a woman

1318
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,400
named Mrs. Culp into a coal

1319
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:46,140
burning stove.

1320
00:28:46,540 --> 00:28:47,800
The piece of coal was very

1321
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:48,160
big.

1322
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:49,040
It broke in half.

1323
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:50,820
And inside, you know, she

1324
00:28:50,820 --> 00:28:52,020
found the gold chain.

1325
00:28:52,660 --> 00:28:53,940
Now, from this report, we

1326
00:28:53,940 --> 00:28:55,380
could tell what mine that the

1327
00:28:55,380 --> 00:28:56,300
coal came from.

1328
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,220
And we got in touch with

1329
00:28:58,220 --> 00:29:00,140
geologists from the state of

1330
00:29:00,140 --> 00:29:01,780
Illinois, and they told us that

1331
00:29:01,780 --> 00:29:03,140
the coal from this mine is

1332
00:29:03,140 --> 00:29:06,000
300 million years old.

1333
00:29:07,380 --> 00:29:08,660
Now, going back to the

1334
00:29:08,660 --> 00:29:09,840
scientific literature, in the

1335
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,400
year 1862, a scientific

1336
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,200
journal called The Geologist

1337
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,160
published a report that a

1338
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:17,900
complete anatomically modern

1339
00:29:17,900 --> 00:29:19,600
human skeleton was found

1340
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:23,040
about 90 feet below the

1341
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:24,180
surface of the ground in

1342
00:29:24,180 --> 00:29:26,320
Macoopin County, Illinois.

1343
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,320
Illinois, and directly above

1344
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:29,900
the skeleton was a thick layer

1345
00:29:29,900 --> 00:29:31,860
of slate rock that extended

1346
00:29:31,860 --> 00:29:34,040
for dozens of yards in all

1347
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:35,980
directions, completely sealing

1348
00:29:35,980 --> 00:29:37,640
the skeleton off from the

1349
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:38,060
surface.

1350
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:40,940
And geologists told us that

1351
00:29:40,940 --> 00:29:42,540
the layers here where the

1352
00:29:42,540 --> 00:29:45,000
skeleton was found were, again,

1353
00:29:45,100 --> 00:29:47,000
about 300 million years old,

1354
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:48,380
you know, the same age as the

1355
00:29:48,380 --> 00:29:50,960
gold chain found in the same

1356
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:51,980
state.

1357
00:29:51,980 --> 00:29:55,040
This interesting report from

1358
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,480
Scientific American tells of a

1359
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,840
beautiful metallic vase that

1360
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,120
was found solidly embedded in

1361
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:05,580
rock that is about 600 million

1362
00:30:05,580 --> 00:30:07,060
years old.

1363
00:30:08,180 --> 00:30:14,600
And finally, the oldest objects

1364
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:15,840
that I encountered in the

1365
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,000
research that I did were round

1366
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:19,760
metallic spheres that have been

1367
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:21,860
found over the past 30 years or

1368
00:30:21,860 --> 00:30:23,720
so by miners in South Africa.

1369
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,940
They come from a mine near a

1370
00:30:27,940 --> 00:30:29,920
place called Otosdalen in the

1371
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:31,340
western Transvaal region.

1372
00:30:31,940 --> 00:30:33,860
The objects, they're not huge

1373
00:30:33,860 --> 00:30:34,460
like this.

1374
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:35,900
They're one or two inches in

1375
00:30:35,900 --> 00:30:36,520
diameter.

1376
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,900
They are made, at least the one

1377
00:30:40,900 --> 00:30:43,300
that was analyzed by metallurgists

1378
00:30:43,300 --> 00:30:46,960
before we filmed the mysterious

1379
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:48,820
Origins of Man television show,

1380
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:50,420
turned out to be made of a

1381
00:30:50,420 --> 00:30:53,060
naturally occurring iron ore called

1382
00:30:53,060 --> 00:30:53,760
hematite.

1383
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,260
Hematite is used by different

1384
00:30:58,260 --> 00:31:00,020
tribal peoples in Africa, even

1385
00:31:00,020 --> 00:31:01,940
today, as a semi-precious stone.

1386
00:31:02,060 --> 00:31:03,900
They make jewelry and other types of

1387
00:31:03,900 --> 00:31:04,780
objects out of it.

1388
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:08,480
What's interesting about these

1389
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,380
objects are the parallel grooves

1390
00:31:10,380 --> 00:31:12,660
that go around the equator of each

1391
00:31:12,660 --> 00:31:13,000
object.

1392
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,320
This one has three parallel grooves,

1393
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:16,880
exactly parallel.

1394
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:19,300
Some of them have four, some have

1395
00:31:19,300 --> 00:31:20,600
three, some have two.

1396
00:31:22,740 --> 00:31:25,300
I gave one of these objects to

1397
00:31:25,300 --> 00:31:29,160
researchers from New England MUFON,

1398
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:30,580
New Hampshire MUFON.

1399
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:32,680
They had some engineers there who were

1400
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:33,100
interested.

1401
00:31:33,100 --> 00:31:37,080
and they sliced one in half and he,

1402
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:39,440
the engineer who was studying them

1403
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:46,200
measured the, from the center out to

1404
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:47,580
the edge, you know, the radius.

1405
00:31:48,140 --> 00:31:53,340
He said the radius, he said, varied only

1406
00:31:53,340 --> 00:31:56,380
by one four thousandth of an inch, you

1407
00:31:56,380 --> 00:31:57,320
know, all the way around.

1408
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,860
So, he considered it to be very finely

1409
00:32:00,860 --> 00:32:03,700
machined, a very finely machined

1410
00:32:03,700 --> 00:32:05,600
object to a tolerance that's very,

1411
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:07,840
you know, difficult even for, you

1412
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,060
know, manufacturers today to reach.

1413
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:14,280
But what's interesting about these

1414
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:15,920
objects is they're found solidly

1415
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,100
embedded in mineral deposits over two

1416
00:32:18,100 --> 00:32:20,100
billion years old.

1417
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:22,960
And the metallurgists who did examine

1418
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:24,560
them say they could see no way in

1419
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,100
which they could have formed naturally

1420
00:32:26,100 --> 00:32:27,700
in the layers of the earth, and

1421
00:32:27,700 --> 00:32:29,100
therefore they had to have been

1422
00:32:29,100 --> 00:32:32,360
manufactured by someone with human-like

1423
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:33,600
intelligence.

1424
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:35,360
So,

1425
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:41,940
so generally, as I said, we're told

1426
00:32:41,940 --> 00:32:43,820
that, you know, all the physical

1427
00:32:43,820 --> 00:32:45,740
evidence supports this idea that

1428
00:32:45,740 --> 00:32:47,560
humans of our type came into existence

1429
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,060
only about a hundred thousand years

1430
00:32:49,060 --> 00:32:50,440
ago, but I think that's not true.

1431
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,640
I've only given you a tiny sample,

1432
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:55,780
you know, of the, of the, of the

1433
00:32:55,780 --> 00:32:57,480
evidence for extreme human antiquity

1434
00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,540
that's there, that's documented in, in

1435
00:32:59,540 --> 00:33:00,700
forbidden archaeology.

1436
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:03,340
But, you know, I can assure you that

1437
00:33:03,340 --> 00:33:05,340
there are massive amounts of evidence

1438
00:33:05,340 --> 00:33:07,500
showing that humans of our type have been

1439
00:33:07,500 --> 00:33:09,920
present throughout this entire period of

1440
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:10,280
time.

1441
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:12,920
And, you know, I think if we want to

1442
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,500
theorize about

1443
00:33:15,500 --> 00:33:17,220
how

1444
00:33:17,220 --> 00:33:20,340
extraterrestrial interventions may have

1445
00:33:20,340 --> 00:33:23,460
influenced the presence and development of the

1446
00:33:23,460 --> 00:33:25,160
human species on this planet, we have to take

1447
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,360
this evidence, you know,

1448
00:33:27,380 --> 00:33:29,360
into, into account.

1449
00:33:32,740 --> 00:33:35,300
Now, the second, we can, what I'd like to do

1450
00:33:35,300 --> 00:33:37,280
now is move on to the second of this

1451
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:38,120
evening's topics.

1452
00:33:38,460 --> 00:33:38,760
I was

1453
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,320
asked to give a little

1454
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,360
preview of what's

1455
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,180
coming in, in my book

1456
00:33:45,180 --> 00:33:47,320
Human Devolution, which

1457
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,060
will be out this fall. This is the,

1458
00:33:49,060 --> 00:33:51,340
the cover of it. It's, you know, the book

1459
00:33:51,340 --> 00:33:53,380
is going into production, but it

1460
00:33:53,380 --> 00:33:55,180
will, it won't be available for sale

1461
00:33:55,180 --> 00:33:56,320
until later this year.

1462
00:33:58,820 --> 00:34:00,920
It's called Human Devolution, a Vedic

1463
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:02,040
Alternative to

1464
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,660
Darwin's Theory. And it, it includes

1465
00:34:04,660 --> 00:34:06,260
quite a bit of

1466
00:34:06,260 --> 00:34:08,320
information that comes from the UFO

1467
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,600
field, because I think that's part

1468
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,680
of, of the story.

1469
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:21,940
Basically, the, the evidence

1470
00:34:21,940 --> 00:34:23,900
in forbidden archaeology shows

1471
00:34:23,900 --> 00:34:25,520
that humans of our type have

1472
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:27,580
coexisted with

1473
00:34:27,580 --> 00:34:29,660
various types of apes and monkeys and

1474
00:34:29,660 --> 00:34:31,220
ape men on this planet, but it doesn't,

1475
00:34:31,900 --> 00:34:33,660
that evidence doesn't tell us anything

1476
00:34:33,660 --> 00:34:35,640
about where we originally came

1477
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:37,380
from or how we came to be.

1478
00:34:38,500 --> 00:34:39,020
So,

1479
00:34:39,020 --> 00:34:44,140
I propose, however, that before we

1480
00:34:44,140 --> 00:34:45,980
ask the question, you know, where did

1481
00:34:45,980 --> 00:34:47,420
human beings come from, we should

1482
00:34:47,420 --> 00:34:49,100
first of all ask the question, what is

1483
00:34:49,100 --> 00:34:51,340
a human being? And

1484
00:34:51,340 --> 00:34:53,900
most scientists today

1485
00:34:53,900 --> 00:34:55,800
will say that a human being is simply

1486
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:57,040
a combination of the

1487
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,260
ordinary physical elements,

1488
00:34:59,980 --> 00:35:01,860
you know, like iron, calcium, phosphorus.

1489
00:35:02,860 --> 00:35:03,240
But

1490
00:35:03,240 --> 00:35:06,160
I am going to propose

1491
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:07,600
that it's more reasonable

1492
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,680
to start with the assumption

1493
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,040
that a human being is composed

1494
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:13,000
of three things,

1495
00:35:13,380 --> 00:35:14,900
ordinary matter

1496
00:35:14,900 --> 00:35:16,740
and mind

1497
00:35:16,740 --> 00:35:18,420
and consciousness

1498
00:35:18,420 --> 00:35:19,880
or, you know, spirit.

1499
00:35:20,380 --> 00:35:21,900
Each existing as

1500
00:35:21,900 --> 00:35:23,200
separate elements.

1501
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:25,760
Now, the ordinary matter

1502
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:27,400
we really don't have to talk about,

1503
00:35:28,220 --> 00:35:30,280
but what about this mind element?

1504
00:35:30,460 --> 00:35:31,940
I'm going to define mind

1505
00:35:31,940 --> 00:35:33,640
as

1506
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:35,720
a subtle material energy

1507
00:35:35,720 --> 00:35:37,500
associated with the human organism

1508
00:35:37,500 --> 00:35:38,840
that can act

1509
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:40,160
on ordinary matter

1510
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:41,920
in ways that we can't explain

1511
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:42,920
by our current laws

1512
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:43,460
of physics.

1513
00:35:44,260 --> 00:35:45,020
And this is something

1514
00:35:45,020 --> 00:35:46,200
you encounter

1515
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:47,820
in the

1516
00:35:47,820 --> 00:35:49,800
alien abduction literature

1517
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:50,580
and reports

1518
00:35:50,580 --> 00:35:51,760
and also in some of the

1519
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:52,760
UFO reports.

1520
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:55,680
Just like,

1521
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:56,720
you know, wind

1522
00:35:56,720 --> 00:35:57,800
is a subtle thing,

1523
00:35:58,060 --> 00:35:59,180
you can't see it,

1524
00:35:59,300 --> 00:36:00,120
but you can observe

1525
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:00,900
its actions

1526
00:36:00,900 --> 00:36:03,020
as it moves over water,

1527
00:36:03,580 --> 00:36:04,600
you know, making waves.

1528
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,740
Now, is there any

1529
00:36:07,740 --> 00:36:09,400
scientific evidence

1530
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:10,500
for the existence

1531
00:36:10,500 --> 00:36:12,200
of this mind element

1532
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,720
or this consciousness element

1533
00:36:14,720 --> 00:36:15,360
as well?

1534
00:36:15,860 --> 00:36:16,640
And there is,

1535
00:36:16,700 --> 00:36:17,200
but again,

1536
00:36:17,420 --> 00:36:17,600
you know,

1537
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:18,980
there's been a tremendous amount

1538
00:36:18,980 --> 00:36:20,040
of knowledge filtering

1539
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:20,740
going on

1540
00:36:20,740 --> 00:36:21,520
in this particular

1541
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:22,880
field.

1542
00:36:23,700 --> 00:36:24,580
And I'll just mention

1543
00:36:24,580 --> 00:36:25,420
a few things

1544
00:36:25,420 --> 00:36:26,740
this evening

1545
00:36:26,740 --> 00:36:28,080
in this preview.

1546
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:32,040
Some of the evidence

1547
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:33,040
for this mind element

1548
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:33,920
comes from a very

1549
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:34,860
interesting person.

1550
00:36:35,220 --> 00:36:35,780
This is

1551
00:36:35,780 --> 00:36:37,340
Alfred Russell Wallace,

1552
00:36:38,180 --> 00:36:39,060
a famous

1553
00:36:39,060 --> 00:36:40,480
English biologist.

1554
00:36:40,660 --> 00:36:40,940
Actually,

1555
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:42,060
he was the co-founder

1556
00:36:42,060 --> 00:36:43,080
with Darwin

1557
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:44,980
of the theory of evolution

1558
00:36:44,980 --> 00:36:46,280
by natural selection.

1559
00:36:46,820 --> 00:36:49,340
But he was also involved

1560
00:36:49,340 --> 00:36:50,080
in psychical research.

1561
00:36:51,420 --> 00:36:51,540
Now,

1562
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:53,340
in most biology textbooks,

1563
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:54,840
you'll read about

1564
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:55,720
his contributions

1565
00:36:55,720 --> 00:36:56,980
to the theory of evolution,

1566
00:36:56,980 --> 00:36:58,760
but you won't read anything

1567
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,220
about his experiments

1568
00:37:01,220 --> 00:37:02,080
in the paranormal.

1569
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:05,160
Actually,

1570
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,160
Darwin was quite upset

1571
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:07,520
with him.

1572
00:37:07,580 --> 00:37:07,940
He said,

1573
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:09,420
by researching

1574
00:37:09,420 --> 00:37:11,980
into these paranormal topics,

1575
00:37:12,100 --> 00:37:13,020
you're murdering

1576
00:37:13,020 --> 00:37:14,120
our joint child,

1577
00:37:14,340 --> 00:37:15,220
the theory of evolution.

1578
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:16,440
So,

1579
00:37:16,940 --> 00:37:18,020
Charles Darwin

1580
00:37:18,020 --> 00:37:19,100
was very unhappy

1581
00:37:19,100 --> 00:37:19,800
with Wallace.

1582
00:37:20,720 --> 00:37:21,060
But,

1583
00:37:21,620 --> 00:37:22,880
Wallace was joined

1584
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:23,640
in his

1585
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:24,820
psychical research

1586
00:37:24,820 --> 00:37:25,600
by another

1587
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:27,000
English scientist,

1588
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,520
Sir William Crookes,

1589
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:31,000
who received

1590
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:32,340
a Nobel Prize

1591
00:37:32,340 --> 00:37:33,560
in physics,

1592
00:37:33,740 --> 00:37:34,480
and he was also

1593
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:35,360
president of the

1594
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:36,280
Royal Society,

1595
00:37:37,060 --> 00:37:39,020
which still is

1596
00:37:39,020 --> 00:37:39,740
England's

1597
00:37:39,740 --> 00:37:41,000
premier scientific

1598
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:41,760
organization.

1599
00:37:43,140 --> 00:37:44,220
They were

1600
00:37:44,220 --> 00:37:44,920
investigating

1601
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:45,920
mediums.

1602
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:47,120
One of the

1603
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:48,500
mediums they investigated

1604
00:37:48,500 --> 00:37:49,800
was Daniel

1605
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:50,960
Dunglass Hume.

1606
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:52,480
and he could do

1607
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:53,100
some interesting

1608
00:37:53,100 --> 00:37:53,680
things.

1609
00:37:53,900 --> 00:37:54,060
Like,

1610
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:54,760
he could take

1611
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,500
an accordion

1612
00:37:56,500 --> 00:37:58,580
and he would

1613
00:37:58,580 --> 00:37:59,100
hold it with

1614
00:37:59,100 --> 00:38:00,140
one hand here

1615
00:38:00,140 --> 00:38:01,280
and,

1616
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:01,840
you know,

1617
00:38:01,860 --> 00:38:02,440
the keys

1618
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:03,260
would be here

1619
00:38:03,260 --> 00:38:04,200
and just holding

1620
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:05,160
it with one hand,

1621
00:38:05,720 --> 00:38:06,400
he could make

1622
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:07,180
this play

1623
00:38:07,180 --> 00:38:08,540
elaborate tunes.

1624
00:38:09,140 --> 00:38:09,640
It was really

1625
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:10,540
inexplicable.

1626
00:38:11,260 --> 00:38:11,620
Of course,

1627
00:38:11,700 --> 00:38:12,300
being good

1628
00:38:12,300 --> 00:38:13,800
experimental scientists,

1629
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:15,360
Wallace and Crookes

1630
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:16,360
thought,

1631
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:16,720
well,

1632
00:38:16,780 --> 00:38:17,820
what could possibly

1633
00:38:17,820 --> 00:38:18,740
be going on here?

1634
00:38:19,260 --> 00:38:19,580
The first

1635
00:38:19,580 --> 00:38:20,500
consideration was,

1636
00:38:20,500 --> 00:38:20,660
well,

1637
00:38:20,700 --> 00:38:21,140
he's got a

1638
00:38:21,140 --> 00:38:21,900
trick accordion.

1639
00:38:22,500 --> 00:38:22,820
So,

1640
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:23,520
they bought a

1641
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:23,980
brand new

1642
00:38:23,980 --> 00:38:24,560
accordion

1643
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:25,860
and used that

1644
00:38:25,860 --> 00:38:26,080
in their

1645
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:26,620
experiments.

1646
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:28,200
Then they

1647
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:28,640
decided,

1648
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:29,200
they thought,

1649
00:38:29,300 --> 00:38:29,500
well,

1650
00:38:29,740 --> 00:38:30,320
somehow or

1651
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:30,520
other,

1652
00:38:30,740 --> 00:38:31,560
by some

1653
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:32,040
sleight of

1654
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:32,380
hand,

1655
00:38:32,500 --> 00:38:33,120
he could be

1656
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:33,540
getting his

1657
00:38:33,540 --> 00:38:33,980
other hand

1658
00:38:33,980 --> 00:38:34,480
down there

1659
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:34,740
on the

1660
00:38:34,740 --> 00:38:35,140
keys.

1661
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:36,220
So,

1662
00:38:36,740 --> 00:38:37,720
they constructed

1663
00:38:37,720 --> 00:38:38,700
a cage,

1664
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:39,620
so he would

1665
00:38:39,620 --> 00:38:40,180
have to hold

1666
00:38:40,180 --> 00:38:40,860
the accordion

1667
00:38:40,860 --> 00:38:41,520
like this,

1668
00:38:41,720 --> 00:38:41,860
you know,

1669
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:42,280
the keys

1670
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:42,700
are down

1671
00:38:42,700 --> 00:38:43,040
here.

1672
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:46,120
And then

1673
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:47,440
they made

1674
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:48,260
this experimental

1675
00:38:48,260 --> 00:38:48,700
setup.

1676
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:50,080
And they

1677
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:50,440
said that

1678
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:50,860
under these

1679
00:38:50,860 --> 00:38:51,560
circumstances,

1680
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:52,060
he could

1681
00:38:52,060 --> 00:38:52,880
still cause

1682
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:53,580
the accordion

1683
00:38:53,580 --> 00:38:54,160
to play

1684
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:54,700
elaborate

1685
00:38:54,700 --> 00:38:55,260
tunes.

1686
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:56,240
And then

1687
00:38:56,240 --> 00:38:57,080
beyond that,

1688
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:58,180
both Wallace

1689
00:38:58,180 --> 00:38:59,140
and Crookes

1690
00:38:59,140 --> 00:38:59,760
said that on

1691
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:00,560
several occasions

1692
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:01,400
they saw

1693
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,800
Hume remove

1694
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:04,400
his hand

1695
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:05,240
completely from

1696
00:39:05,240 --> 00:39:05,840
the cage,

1697
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:06,420
and they saw

1698
00:39:06,420 --> 00:39:07,240
the accordion

1699
00:39:07,240 --> 00:39:09,020
floating in

1700
00:39:09,020 --> 00:39:09,460
the middle of

1701
00:39:09,460 --> 00:39:10,040
the cage,

1702
00:39:10,580 --> 00:39:11,340
playing elaborate

1703
00:39:11,340 --> 00:39:12,700
tunes all by

1704
00:39:12,700 --> 00:39:13,200
itself.

1705
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:15,120
Now,

1706
00:39:15,180 --> 00:39:15,560
you have to

1707
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:15,780
wonder,

1708
00:39:15,900 --> 00:39:16,400
why would this

1709
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:17,120
Nobel Prize

1710
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:17,900
physicist and

1711
00:39:17,900 --> 00:39:18,540
the co-founder

1712
00:39:18,540 --> 00:39:19,100
of the theory

1713
00:39:19,100 --> 00:39:19,700
of evolution

1714
00:39:19,700 --> 00:39:21,780
write about

1715
00:39:21,780 --> 00:39:22,440
these things?

1716
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:22,880
Did they have

1717
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:23,360
some kind of

1718
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:23,920
psychological

1719
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:24,780
death wish

1720
00:39:24,780 --> 00:39:25,740
in that they

1721
00:39:25,740 --> 00:39:26,260
wanted all

1722
00:39:26,260 --> 00:39:26,480
of their

1723
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:27,100
colleagues to

1724
00:39:27,100 --> 00:39:27,460
think they'd

1725
00:39:27,460 --> 00:39:28,600
gone completely

1726
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:30,260
insane and

1727
00:39:30,260 --> 00:39:31,100
ruined their

1728
00:39:31,100 --> 00:39:31,560
careers?

1729
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:32,620
I don't think

1730
00:39:32,620 --> 00:39:32,840
so.

1731
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:33,420
I think they

1732
00:39:33,420 --> 00:39:33,880
wrote about

1733
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:34,420
these things

1734
00:39:34,420 --> 00:39:34,800
because they

1735
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:35,640
actually observed

1736
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:35,940
them,

1737
00:39:36,460 --> 00:39:36,920
and they

1738
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:38,300
wanted their

1739
00:39:38,300 --> 00:39:39,600
colleagues and

1740
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:40,320
the public to

1741
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:40,860
know about

1742
00:39:40,860 --> 00:39:41,120
them.

1743
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,140
they also

1744
00:39:43,140 --> 00:39:43,820
on several

1745
00:39:43,820 --> 00:39:45,100
occasions saw

1746
00:39:45,100 --> 00:39:46,760
Hume

1747
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:47,760
levitate.

1748
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:49,420
And these

1749
00:39:49,420 --> 00:39:50,560
levitations were

1750
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:51,900
not done on

1751
00:39:51,900 --> 00:39:52,880
a stage where

1752
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:53,420
you could have

1753
00:39:53,420 --> 00:39:54,740
elaborate apparatus

1754
00:39:54,740 --> 00:39:56,360
as magicians do

1755
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:56,800
today.

1756
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:58,180
They occurred in

1757
00:39:58,180 --> 00:39:58,660
the drawing

1758
00:39:58,660 --> 00:40:00,380
rooms of

1759
00:40:00,380 --> 00:40:02,380
ordinary

1760
00:40:02,380 --> 00:40:04,100
English people,

1761
00:40:04,820 --> 00:40:05,540
and he would

1762
00:40:05,540 --> 00:40:06,700
just right in

1763
00:40:06,700 --> 00:40:07,920
the middle of

1764
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:08,420
a group of

1765
00:40:08,420 --> 00:40:08,920
people just

1766
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:09,920
rise into the

1767
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:10,900
air in a

1768
00:40:10,900 --> 00:40:11,340
home where

1769
00:40:11,340 --> 00:40:11,860
he'd never

1770
00:40:11,860 --> 00:40:12,580
been before,

1771
00:40:12,740 --> 00:40:12,940
where there

1772
00:40:12,940 --> 00:40:13,300
was no

1773
00:40:13,300 --> 00:40:14,100
opportunity for

1774
00:40:14,100 --> 00:40:14,380
him to

1775
00:40:14,380 --> 00:40:15,780
prepare any

1776
00:40:15,780 --> 00:40:16,660
type of

1777
00:40:16,660 --> 00:40:17,660
elaborate

1778
00:40:17,660 --> 00:40:18,280
apparatus.

1779
00:40:18,580 --> 00:40:18,920
And both

1780
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:19,780
Wallace and

1781
00:40:19,780 --> 00:40:20,800
Crookes testified

1782
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:22,380
to this in

1783
00:40:22,380 --> 00:40:23,560
writing several

1784
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:24,140
times.

1785
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:26,760
Another

1786
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:27,300
example,

1787
00:40:27,500 --> 00:40:27,960
Marie and

1788
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:28,680
Pierre Curie,

1789
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:29,380
every physics

1790
00:40:29,380 --> 00:40:30,120
student learns

1791
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:30,740
about them.

1792
00:40:32,100 --> 00:40:32,660
They got

1793
00:40:32,660 --> 00:40:33,580
Nobel Prizes

1794
00:40:33,580 --> 00:40:34,000
for their

1795
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:34,440
work in

1796
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:34,940
discovering

1797
00:40:34,940 --> 00:40:35,600
radium.

1798
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:36,840
You read

1799
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:37,420
about that in

1800
00:40:37,420 --> 00:40:38,080
every textbook.

1801
00:40:38,300 --> 00:40:38,700
What you don't

1802
00:40:38,700 --> 00:40:39,200
read about in

1803
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:39,900
the textbooks is

1804
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:40,360
that they were

1805
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:41,360
heavily involved in

1806
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:42,420
psychical research.

1807
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:44,260
They were part

1808
00:40:44,260 --> 00:40:45,380
of a group of

1809
00:40:45,380 --> 00:40:47,040
about 20

1810
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:48,000
prominent European

1811
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:49,040
scientists who

1812
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:49,700
were working in

1813
00:40:49,700 --> 00:40:50,540
Paris early in

1814
00:40:50,540 --> 00:40:51,460
the 20th century.

1815
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:52,480
The group

1816
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:53,200
included about

1817
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:54,440
five Nobel Prize

1818
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:55,620
winners, and

1819
00:40:55,620 --> 00:40:55,880
they were

1820
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:56,300
conducting

1821
00:40:56,300 --> 00:40:57,480
extensive research

1822
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:58,280
into paranormal

1823
00:40:58,280 --> 00:40:59,000
phenomenon.

1824
00:40:59,240 --> 00:41:00,360
They were

1825
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:01,080
examining in

1826
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:02,320
particular the

1827
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:03,240
Italian medium,

1828
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:03,920
Eusepia

1829
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:04,600
Palladino.

1830
00:41:05,700 --> 00:41:06,460
And on one

1831
00:41:06,460 --> 00:41:07,800
occasion, just

1832
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:08,300
to give you an

1833
00:41:08,300 --> 00:41:10,620
example, the

1834
00:41:10,620 --> 00:41:11,920
medium was

1835
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:12,680
sitting in a

1836
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:14,000
chair, Marie

1837
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:14,700
Curie was

1838
00:41:14,700 --> 00:41:15,380
controlling her

1839
00:41:15,380 --> 00:41:16,220
hands, other

1840
00:41:16,220 --> 00:41:16,880
scientists were

1841
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:17,520
controlling her

1842
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:19,100
feet, and this

1843
00:41:19,100 --> 00:41:20,120
occurred in broad

1844
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:21,820
daylight in a

1845
00:41:21,820 --> 00:41:22,720
laboratory in the

1846
00:41:22,720 --> 00:41:23,800
Psychological Research

1847
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:24,560
Institute in

1848
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:24,940
Paris.

1849
00:41:25,660 --> 00:41:26,620
And Pierre Curie,

1850
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:27,860
the Nobel Prize

1851
00:41:27,860 --> 00:41:28,500
winning physicist,

1852
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:29,560
said that a

1853
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:30,660
large table like

1854
00:41:30,660 --> 00:41:31,740
this was floating

1855
00:41:31,740 --> 00:41:33,680
in the air in

1856
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:34,240
the middle of the

1857
00:41:34,240 --> 00:41:35,040
room in broad

1858
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:35,740
daylight with

1859
00:41:35,740 --> 00:41:36,880
nothing touching

1860
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:37,160
it.

1861
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,340
So all the

1862
00:41:40,340 --> 00:41:41,080
scientists signed

1863
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:41,960
documents saying

1864
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:42,580
that these things

1865
00:41:42,580 --> 00:41:43,140
were true.

1866
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:44,900
Pierre Curie's

1867
00:41:44,900 --> 00:41:45,860
research notes are

1868
00:41:45,860 --> 00:41:46,600
still there in the

1869
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:47,780
scientific archives in

1870
00:41:47,780 --> 00:41:48,120
Paris.

1871
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:49,060
And he wrote

1872
00:41:49,060 --> 00:41:50,560
numerous letters to

1873
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:51,300
his prominent

1874
00:41:51,300 --> 00:41:52,420
physicist friends

1875
00:41:52,420 --> 00:41:53,500
saying these things

1876
00:41:53,500 --> 00:41:54,620
are absolutely true

1877
00:41:54,620 --> 00:41:55,400
and they have to be

1878
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:56,360
taken into account.

1879
00:41:57,140 --> 00:41:57,940
Now I could go on

1880
00:41:57,940 --> 00:41:58,800
and on about this,

1881
00:41:58,900 --> 00:41:59,660
but what does it

1882
00:41:59,660 --> 00:41:59,900
mean?

1883
00:41:59,980 --> 00:42:00,800
To me it means

1884
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:02,080
there's a mind

1885
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:03,540
element associated

1886
00:42:03,540 --> 00:42:04,180
with the human

1887
00:42:04,180 --> 00:42:05,280
organism that can

1888
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:06,180
act on ordinary

1889
00:42:06,180 --> 00:42:07,180
matter in ways

1890
00:42:07,180 --> 00:42:07,760
that we can't

1891
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:08,880
explain by our

1892
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:10,420
current laws of

1893
00:42:10,420 --> 00:42:10,800
physics.

1894
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:13,540
Then what about

1895
00:42:13,540 --> 00:42:14,440
this consciousness

1896
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:15,000
element?

1897
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:15,580
Is there any

1898
00:42:15,580 --> 00:42:16,500
scientific evidence

1899
00:42:16,500 --> 00:42:17,060
for that?

1900
00:42:17,720 --> 00:42:18,580
And I believe

1901
00:42:18,580 --> 00:42:19,680
there is in the

1902
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:20,660
forum, well one

1903
00:42:20,660 --> 00:42:21,600
area it comes from

1904
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:22,960
is medical and

1905
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:24,020
psychiatric reports

1906
00:42:24,020 --> 00:42:24,860
of out of body

1907
00:42:24,860 --> 00:42:26,020
experiences where

1908
00:42:26,020 --> 00:42:27,620
the conscious self

1909
00:42:27,620 --> 00:42:28,500
appears to

1910
00:42:28,500 --> 00:42:30,040
separate from

1911
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:31,400
the body.

1912
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,240
Michael Sabum,

1913
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:33,880
an American

1914
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:34,900
cardiologist,

1915
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:36,360
wrote an

1916
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:37,220
extensive report

1917
00:42:37,220 --> 00:42:38,780
about these

1918
00:42:38,780 --> 00:42:40,200
happenings.

1919
00:42:40,620 --> 00:42:41,700
And he asked

1920
00:42:41,700 --> 00:42:42,560
himself a question

1921
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:43,120
at the end of

1922
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:43,760
his book which

1923
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:44,360
is called

1924
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:45,480
Recollections of

1925
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:46,040
Death, a

1926
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:46,320
Medical

1927
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:47,180
Investigation.

1928
00:42:47,740 --> 00:42:48,480
He said, is this

1929
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:49,620
conscious self that

1930
00:42:49,620 --> 00:42:50,520
appears to separate

1931
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:51,340
from the brain

1932
00:42:51,340 --> 00:42:52,240
during these moments

1933
00:42:52,240 --> 00:42:53,220
of extreme crisis,

1934
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:55,080
could that be the

1935
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:55,780
soul that the

1936
00:42:55,780 --> 00:42:56,740
great religions of

1937
00:42:56,740 --> 00:42:57,200
the world have

1938
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:58,100
always talked about?

1939
00:42:58,500 --> 00:42:58,940
Now he didn't

1940
00:42:58,940 --> 00:42:59,780
answer the question,

1941
00:42:59,780 --> 00:43:00,980
but I believe,

1942
00:43:01,240 --> 00:43:02,380
and I believe he

1943
00:43:02,380 --> 00:43:03,120
believed, that the

1944
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:04,140
answer to that

1945
00:43:04,140 --> 00:43:05,120
question was yes.

1946
00:43:06,420 --> 00:43:08,060
So, what does

1947
00:43:08,060 --> 00:43:08,600
this mean?

1948
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:12,000
It means to me

1949
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:13,660
that probably our

1950
00:43:13,660 --> 00:43:14,340
whole universe,

1951
00:43:14,460 --> 00:43:15,240
our whole cosmos

1952
00:43:15,240 --> 00:43:16,140
is structured

1953
00:43:16,140 --> 00:43:18,360
according to

1954
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:19,520
levels of

1955
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:20,540
ordinary matter,

1956
00:43:21,020 --> 00:43:21,900
subtle mind,

1957
00:43:23,180 --> 00:43:26,340
and pure

1958
00:43:26,340 --> 00:43:27,360
consciousness or

1959
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:27,840
spirit.

1960
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:29,340
spirit, and

1961
00:43:29,340 --> 00:43:31,080
that means,

1962
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:31,900
you know, if we

1963
00:43:31,900 --> 00:43:32,780
want to explain,

1964
00:43:33,180 --> 00:43:34,260
excuse me, human

1965
00:43:34,260 --> 00:43:36,580
origins, whoops,

1966
00:43:37,900 --> 00:43:40,540
if we want to

1967
00:43:40,540 --> 00:43:41,200
explain human

1968
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,020
origins, you know,

1969
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:43,580
we have to do

1970
00:43:43,580 --> 00:43:44,560
more than just try

1971
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:45,440
to explain how the

1972
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:46,840
chemicals came

1973
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:47,160
together.

1974
00:43:47,260 --> 00:43:48,580
We have to try

1975
00:43:48,580 --> 00:43:49,700
to explain how

1976
00:43:49,700 --> 00:43:51,180
consciousness, mind,

1977
00:43:51,260 --> 00:43:52,240
and matter came

1978
00:43:52,240 --> 00:43:52,860
together in the

1979
00:43:52,860 --> 00:43:53,540
human form.

1980
00:43:53,540 --> 00:43:54,880
And mostly,

1981
00:43:55,240 --> 00:43:56,340
these days,

1982
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:58,320
people, they seem

1983
00:43:58,320 --> 00:43:59,180
to want very

1984
00:43:59,180 --> 00:44:00,200
simple explanations.

1985
00:44:01,100 --> 00:44:02,800
Either they want a

1986
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:04,000
very simple creation

1987
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:05,000
account, where God

1988
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:05,840
just immediately

1989
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:06,860
creates everything,

1990
00:44:07,420 --> 00:44:09,060
or they want some

1991
00:44:09,060 --> 00:44:09,980
simple evolutionary

1992
00:44:09,980 --> 00:44:11,440
account, where

1993
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:12,820
chemicals combine in

1994
00:44:12,820 --> 00:44:13,500
the earth's early

1995
00:44:13,500 --> 00:44:14,780
ocean, and then they

1996
00:44:14,780 --> 00:44:15,480
turn into human

1997
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:15,880
beings.

1998
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:17,940
or, you know,

1999
00:44:17,980 --> 00:44:18,900
they want some

2000
00:44:18,900 --> 00:44:20,520
very simple

2001
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:21,960
extraterrestrial

2002
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:23,440
intervention type

2003
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:23,920
of account.

2004
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:24,840
But I think the

2005
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:26,540
actual story is

2006
00:44:26,540 --> 00:44:27,420
going to be much

2007
00:44:27,420 --> 00:44:28,680
more complicated.

2008
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:29,940
I think it's going

2009
00:44:29,940 --> 00:44:31,220
to involve all of

2010
00:44:31,220 --> 00:44:31,960
these things, and

2011
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:32,460
that's what I'm

2012
00:44:32,460 --> 00:44:33,940
proposing in human

2013
00:44:33,940 --> 00:44:34,540
devolution.

2014
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:35,940
I'm proposing that,

2015
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:37,020
yes, some guiding

2016
00:44:37,020 --> 00:44:38,600
cosmic intelligence is

2017
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:39,580
involved in the

2018
00:44:39,580 --> 00:44:40,400
process of human

2019
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,140
origins, but there is

2020
00:44:42,140 --> 00:44:43,320
also an evolutionary

2021
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:45,860
process going on in

2022
00:44:45,860 --> 00:44:46,500
the cosmos.

2023
00:44:47,260 --> 00:44:48,300
By evolution, we

2024
00:44:48,300 --> 00:44:49,900
mean reproduction

2025
00:44:49,900 --> 00:44:51,220
with modification.

2026
00:44:51,580 --> 00:44:52,680
Things reproduce,

2027
00:44:53,500 --> 00:44:54,460
living organisms,

2028
00:44:54,660 --> 00:44:56,380
they reproduce, and

2029
00:44:56,380 --> 00:44:57,340
in the course of

2030
00:44:57,340 --> 00:44:57,980
that reproduction,

2031
00:44:58,160 --> 00:44:58,740
there are changes.

2032
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:01,720
But what I would

2033
00:45:01,720 --> 00:45:04,140
propose is that,

2034
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:05,160
yes, there is a

2035
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:06,400
reproductive process

2036
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:07,040
going on.

2037
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:07,720
I think you get

2038
00:45:07,720 --> 00:45:09,160
into this in some

2039
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:09,760
of your alien

2040
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,220
abduction reports

2041
00:45:12,220 --> 00:45:14,520
about strange

2042
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:15,700
variations of the

2043
00:45:15,700 --> 00:45:17,500
reproductive process.

2044
00:45:18,720 --> 00:45:19,460
So what I'm going

2045
00:45:19,460 --> 00:45:20,280
to suggest is that

2046
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:20,720
there is a

2047
00:45:20,720 --> 00:45:21,760
reproductive process

2048
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:23,040
going on in the

2049
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:24,100
cosmos by which

2050
00:45:24,100 --> 00:45:25,340
higher beings

2051
00:45:25,340 --> 00:45:27,700
through a process

2052
00:45:27,700 --> 00:45:28,400
of what we might

2053
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:29,520
call controlled

2054
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:30,640
breeding or guided

2055
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:31,600
genetic engineering

2056
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:33,440
are, through their

2057
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:34,880
reproductive processes,

2058
00:45:35,380 --> 00:45:36,500
generating the

2059
00:45:36,500 --> 00:45:38,660
forms of the

2060
00:45:38,660 --> 00:45:40,060
living organisms

2061
00:45:40,060 --> 00:45:41,380
that we see on

2062
00:45:41,380 --> 00:45:42,380
our planet, including

2063
00:45:42,380 --> 00:45:43,420
the human organism.

2064
00:45:43,420 --> 00:45:46,260
So, but it's the

2065
00:45:46,260 --> 00:45:48,420
opposite of the

2066
00:45:48,420 --> 00:45:49,600
Darwinian evolutionary

2067
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:50,680
concept, which is

2068
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:51,400
why I call it

2069
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:51,980
devolution.

2070
00:45:53,060 --> 00:45:54,620
The Darwinian process

2071
00:45:54,620 --> 00:45:56,160
starts with the most

2072
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:57,180
simple things and then

2073
00:45:57,180 --> 00:45:58,040
builds up to the more

2074
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:00,820
complex, whereas I'm

2075
00:46:00,820 --> 00:46:01,860
proposing that we

2076
00:46:01,860 --> 00:46:02,960
start from the more

2077
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:04,940
complex things, and by

2078
00:46:04,940 --> 00:46:05,720
their reproductive

2079
00:46:05,720 --> 00:46:06,640
processes, they

2080
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:08,000
generate, you could

2081
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:09,620
say, the simpler ones.

2082
00:46:09,620 --> 00:46:11,040
And in that process

2083
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:13,200
of reproduction, it

2084
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,100
goes from more

2085
00:46:15,100 --> 00:46:16,800
subtle elements to

2086
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:17,920
denser elements.

2087
00:46:20,140 --> 00:46:21,020
There's a lot that

2088
00:46:21,020 --> 00:46:21,760
could be said about

2089
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:22,800
that, but I think

2090
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:24,060
that's...

2091
00:46:24,060 --> 00:46:28,240
And then also, there

2092
00:46:28,240 --> 00:46:29,420
is an extraterrestrial

2093
00:46:29,420 --> 00:46:31,000
element to it as

2094
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:31,720
well, because it's a

2095
00:46:31,720 --> 00:46:32,620
process that's not

2096
00:46:32,620 --> 00:46:33,920
only happening on our

2097
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:34,740
earth, but it's going

2098
00:46:34,740 --> 00:46:35,480
on throughout the

2099
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:35,840
cosmos.

2100
00:46:36,620 --> 00:46:37,500
The ancient Sanskrit

2101
00:46:37,500 --> 00:46:38,700
writings do speak of

2102
00:46:38,700 --> 00:46:39,280
such things.

2103
00:46:39,340 --> 00:46:40,200
They do speak of

2104
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,620
people on this planet

2105
00:46:42,620 --> 00:46:43,980
who are the product of

2106
00:46:43,980 --> 00:46:45,220
reproductive processes

2107
00:46:45,220 --> 00:46:46,980
involving beings from

2108
00:46:46,980 --> 00:46:49,080
other planets or other

2109
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:49,860
dimensions of the

2110
00:46:49,860 --> 00:46:50,140
universe.

2111
00:46:50,340 --> 00:46:51,380
And of course, the

2112
00:46:51,380 --> 00:46:52,140
ancient Sanskrit

2113
00:46:52,140 --> 00:46:53,200
writings, as many of

2114
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:54,820
you are aware, speak of

2115
00:46:54,820 --> 00:46:56,600
vimanas, of various

2116
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:58,220
types of spacecraft that

2117
00:46:58,220 --> 00:47:00,120
travel from planet to

2118
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:01,420
planet on our

2119
00:47:01,420 --> 00:47:02,460
dimension, and then

2120
00:47:02,460 --> 00:47:03,180
there are also

2121
00:47:03,180 --> 00:47:04,780
extra-dimensional

2122
00:47:04,780 --> 00:47:06,900
craft that can

2123
00:47:06,900 --> 00:47:08,860
travel between

2124
00:47:08,860 --> 00:47:09,740
different dimensions.

2125
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:11,840
And there are

2126
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:13,180
forms of life

2127
00:47:13,180 --> 00:47:14,500
adapted to all of

2128
00:47:14,500 --> 00:47:15,260
these planets and

2129
00:47:15,260 --> 00:47:17,100
all of these

2130
00:47:17,100 --> 00:47:18,540
dimensions, and

2131
00:47:18,540 --> 00:47:19,480
our human organisms

2132
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:20,880
on this planet are

2133
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,540
connected with all of

2134
00:47:23,540 --> 00:47:24,020
these different

2135
00:47:24,020 --> 00:47:25,060
dimensions and

2136
00:47:25,060 --> 00:47:25,840
different organisms

2137
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:26,800
on other planets.

2138
00:47:27,420 --> 00:47:28,680
So the actual

2139
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:29,460
picture of human

2140
00:47:29,460 --> 00:47:30,480
origins may be much

2141
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:31,800
more complicated than

2142
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:33,580
any simple creation

2143
00:47:33,580 --> 00:47:34,440
account, or any

2144
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:35,180
simple evolution

2145
00:47:35,180 --> 00:47:36,120
account, or any

2146
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:37,960
extraterrestrial account

2147
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:39,320
that we're now

2148
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:40,200
familiar with.

2149
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:42,480
So that's a little

2150
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:47,600
preview of my next

2151
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:48,140
book, Human

2152
00:47:48,140 --> 00:47:48,620
Devolution.

2153
00:47:49,060 --> 00:47:51,400
And I think this

2154
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:52,240
human devolution

2155
00:47:52,240 --> 00:47:53,460
concept in connection

2156
00:47:53,460 --> 00:47:54,380
with this

2157
00:47:54,380 --> 00:47:55,640
archaeological evidence

2158
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:56,640
for extreme human

2159
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:58,200
antiquity has the

2160
00:47:58,200 --> 00:47:59,820
characteristic of a

2161
00:47:59,820 --> 00:48:00,540
good scientific

2162
00:48:00,540 --> 00:48:03,740
explanation, because a

2163
00:48:03,740 --> 00:48:04,320
good scientific

2164
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:05,440
explanation should

2165
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:06,640
naturally accommodate

2166
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:07,800
the facts that are

2167
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:08,420
out there in the

2168
00:48:08,420 --> 00:48:09,200
world without

2169
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:10,700
artificially manipulating

2170
00:48:10,700 --> 00:48:11,540
the data set.

2171
00:48:11,940 --> 00:48:13,400
To keep their ideas

2172
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:14,540
about human origins

2173
00:48:14,540 --> 00:48:15,600
intact, today's

2174
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:16,360
scientists have to

2175
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:17,920
ignore all of this

2176
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:19,100
evidence for extreme

2177
00:48:19,100 --> 00:48:20,100
human antiquity that

2178
00:48:20,100 --> 00:48:21,100
actually is there in

2179
00:48:21,100 --> 00:48:22,060
the museums that

2180
00:48:22,060 --> 00:48:22,680
scientists have

2181
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:23,580
actually discovered.

2182
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:25,460
They also have to

2183
00:48:25,460 --> 00:48:27,860
ignore all of this

2184
00:48:27,860 --> 00:48:30,020
evidence for the

2185
00:48:30,020 --> 00:48:31,560
UFO and alien

2186
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:32,200
phenomenon.

2187
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:33,220
They have to

2188
00:48:33,220 --> 00:48:34,840
ignore all of this

2189
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:36,200
scientific evidence for

2190
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:37,580
the existence of mind

2191
00:48:37,580 --> 00:48:39,480
and consciousness as

2192
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:40,400
separately existing

2193
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:41,000
elements.

2194
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:42,840
They have to ignore all

2195
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:44,700
the knowledge that's

2196
00:48:44,700 --> 00:48:45,600
accumulated in the

2197
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:46,560
great wisdom traditions

2198
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:47,100
of the world.

2199
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:49,960
Who's dealing with

2200
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:50,520
reality?

2201
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:52,860
I think they're

2202
00:48:52,860 --> 00:48:54,340
excluding vast

2203
00:48:54,340 --> 00:48:55,740
categories of

2204
00:48:55,740 --> 00:48:57,680
evidence from the

2205
00:48:57,680 --> 00:48:58,680
real world out there

2206
00:48:58,680 --> 00:48:59,800
to maintain their

2207
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:00,740
particular theories.

2208
00:49:00,740 --> 00:49:06,980
So now, the third

2209
00:49:06,980 --> 00:49:07,840
topic that I was

2210
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:11,480
asked to talk about, it

2211
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:12,140
was mentioned on the

2212
00:49:12,140 --> 00:49:15,060
LA MUFON website that

2213
00:49:15,060 --> 00:49:15,720
I would talk about

2214
00:49:15,720 --> 00:49:16,740
evidence for a sunken

2215
00:49:16,740 --> 00:49:17,940
city off the coast of

2216
00:49:17,940 --> 00:49:18,200
India.

2217
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:21,260
So it is a fact that

2218
00:49:21,260 --> 00:49:24,660
last, well actually not

2219
00:49:24,660 --> 00:49:25,700
last year, but about a

2220
00:49:25,700 --> 00:49:26,700
year and a half ago,

2221
00:49:27,240 --> 00:49:29,260
Indian oceanographers

2222
00:49:29,260 --> 00:49:31,560
discovered remains of a

2223
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:32,540
sunken city in the

2224
00:49:32,540 --> 00:49:34,480
Gulf of Kambay, which

2225
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:35,820
is here off the coast

2226
00:49:35,820 --> 00:49:37,520
of the Indian state of

2227
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:39,560
Gujarat, in this part

2228
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:40,500
here.

2229
00:49:45,220 --> 00:49:48,240
Actually, last year I

2230
00:49:48,240 --> 00:49:51,020
attended a meeting in

2231
00:49:51,020 --> 00:49:52,580
Hyderabad where the

2232
00:49:52,580 --> 00:49:54,520
Indian government's

2233
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:56,800
minister of science was

2234
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:58,260
present and we had an

2235
00:49:58,260 --> 00:49:59,960
opportunity to discuss

2236
00:49:59,960 --> 00:50:02,340
this discovery.

2237
00:50:02,580 --> 00:50:03,600
I was there and

2238
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:05,540
Minister Joshi was

2239
00:50:05,540 --> 00:50:06,180
also there.

2240
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:09,640
And the discoveries

2241
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:13,040
were made by this

2242
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:14,380
team of oceanographers

2243
00:50:14,380 --> 00:50:17,100
who worked for Mr.

2244
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:18,700
Joshi's department in

2245
00:50:18,700 --> 00:50:19,960
the National Institute

2246
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:22,380
of Ocean Studies.

2247
00:50:22,380 --> 00:50:24,440
and what they were

2248
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:25,080
doing is they were

2249
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:28,000
doing side-scan sonar

2250
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:29,120
mapping of the sea

2251
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:30,520
bottom off the coast of

2252
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:31,080
Gujarat.

2253
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:32,920
And in their sonar

2254
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:35,840
images they found what

2255
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:36,480
appeared to be

2256
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:38,180
archaeological structures,

2257
00:50:38,340 --> 00:50:38,980
structures of

2258
00:50:38,980 --> 00:50:42,680
buildings going along the

2259
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:44,280
bank of an ancient river

2260
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:46,880
channel that's now under

2261
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:47,500
the ocean.

2262
00:50:47,500 --> 00:50:49,600
and that's one of the

2263
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:51,400
side-scan sonar images.

2264
00:50:51,820 --> 00:50:53,360
This is another one of the

2265
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:55,780
side-scan sonar images of

2266
00:50:55,780 --> 00:50:57,660
apparent structures, you

2267
00:50:57,660 --> 00:51:00,120
know, below, deep below the

2268
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:00,660
sea there.

2269
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:05,380
And many, when this was

2270
00:51:05,380 --> 00:51:06,500
first reported, some

2271
00:51:06,500 --> 00:51:07,420
scientists were very

2272
00:51:07,420 --> 00:51:07,840
skeptical.

2273
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,060
they said, well, perhaps

2274
00:51:10,060 --> 00:51:11,560
these things aren't human

2275
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:13,980
of human man, humans, these

2276
00:51:13,980 --> 00:51:15,040
aren't human structures at

2277
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:15,340
all.

2278
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:18,780
Now to test that, well, this

2279
00:51:18,780 --> 00:51:20,380
is what they thought, you

2280
00:51:20,380 --> 00:51:21,240
know, the settlements would

2281
00:51:21,240 --> 00:51:22,760
have looked like, you know,

2282
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:23,920
when they were, you know,

2283
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:24,680
above water.

2284
00:51:25,300 --> 00:51:27,960
But to test this, you can

2285
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:29,020
see the water is very

2286
00:51:29,020 --> 00:51:31,680
turbulent, it's very dark.

2287
00:51:32,140 --> 00:51:33,500
They were not able to send

2288
00:51:33,500 --> 00:51:36,660
divers down there to do a

2289
00:51:36,660 --> 00:51:37,820
visual inspection.

2290
00:51:38,460 --> 00:51:39,280
They were able to do the

2291
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:42,160
sonar scans, but to sort of

2292
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:43,260
determine what was down

2293
00:51:43,260 --> 00:51:44,140
there, they did some

2294
00:51:44,140 --> 00:51:44,880
dredging.

2295
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:47,280
And this is the dredge, you

2296
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:47,700
know, that they were

2297
00:51:47,700 --> 00:51:48,420
putting down.

2298
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:51,400
And what they came up with

2299
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:52,780
was pretty interesting.

2300
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:55,120
They came up with semi-

2301
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:56,900
precious stones that were

2302
00:51:56,900 --> 00:51:58,960
drilled with holes for beads.

2303
00:52:00,220 --> 00:52:02,360
They also came up with

2304
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:03,220
human bones.

2305
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:05,800
This is a human vertebrae,

2306
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:06,920
and this is part of a human

2307
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:09,160
jawbone that came up from

2308
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:09,720
the dredging.

2309
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:12,180
And this was a stone with

2310
00:52:12,180 --> 00:52:13,880
some engravings on it.

2311
00:52:14,420 --> 00:52:17,420
And they also found a piece

2312
00:52:17,420 --> 00:52:18,000
of wood.

2313
00:52:18,100 --> 00:52:19,180
They dredged up a piece of

2314
00:52:19,180 --> 00:52:21,040
wood that gave a carbon date

2315
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:24,380
of 9,500 years.

2316
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:27,300
And that would make that the

2317
00:52:27,300 --> 00:52:30,520
oldest city in the world.

2318
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:33,000
You know, this is the Gulf of

2319
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:33,820
Kambai city.

2320
00:52:34,580 --> 00:52:37,860
And at 7,500 years B.C., that

2321
00:52:37,860 --> 00:52:39,260
would make it older than any of

2322
00:52:39,260 --> 00:52:41,440
the other urban civilizations

2323
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:43,860
that are known, including the

2324
00:52:43,860 --> 00:52:46,280
Egyptian, the Anatolian, the

2325
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:49,080
Sumerian, the Indus Valley

2326
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:50,900
civilization, and the early

2327
00:52:50,900 --> 00:52:52,120
Chinese civilization.

2328
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:54,880
So it's really an interesting

2329
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:55,700
discovery.

2330
00:52:55,940 --> 00:52:57,080
It's quite controversial.

2331
00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:59,640
There's a lot of debate going on

2332
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:00,460
about it now.

2333
00:53:01,700 --> 00:53:03,440
To do any further research,

2334
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:06,840
it's going to have to be some

2335
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:08,320
kind of multi-million dollar

2336
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:13,240
project with these submersibles

2337
00:53:13,240 --> 00:53:15,320
going down there and trying to...

2338
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:17,320
And up to this point, it hasn't

2339
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,080
been organized yet.

2340
00:53:19,740 --> 00:53:21,020
So we'll see what further

2341
00:53:21,020 --> 00:53:23,040
developments come from that.

2342
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:25,280
But there are other projects that

2343
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:26,600
I'm personally working on.

2344
00:53:26,660 --> 00:53:27,820
They don't cost millions of

2345
00:53:27,820 --> 00:53:29,140
dollars, so I'm able to do them

2346
00:53:29,140 --> 00:53:29,600
myself.

2347
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:34,100
But they're interesting, even

2348
00:53:34,100 --> 00:53:37,740
from the standpoint of the idea

2349
00:53:37,740 --> 00:53:38,940
of extraterrestrials.

2350
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:42,040
This is the temple complex of

2351
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:45,480
Sri Rangam in southern India.

2352
00:53:47,060 --> 00:53:49,320
That temple complex is the largest

2353
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:50,640
temple complex in India.

2354
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:52,760
It's located down here in the

2355
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:53,980
Tamil Nadu state.

2356
00:53:56,660 --> 00:53:57,420
This is...

2357
00:53:57,420 --> 00:54:00,420
The temple complex has seven...

2358
00:54:00,420 --> 00:54:01,620
There's the central temple,

2359
00:54:01,820 --> 00:54:03,260
and then there's seven walls

2360
00:54:03,260 --> 00:54:06,580
going around the central temple

2361
00:54:06,580 --> 00:54:07,220
complex.

2362
00:54:07,820 --> 00:54:09,920
The temple complex is on an island

2363
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:13,140
in the Kavari River that goes

2364
00:54:13,140 --> 00:54:13,700
through there.

2365
00:54:13,700 --> 00:54:20,340
The idol in the temple, the

2366
00:54:20,340 --> 00:54:22,340
deity form that's in the temple,

2367
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:24,980
is a reclining form of Vishnu

2368
00:54:24,980 --> 00:54:26,640
lying on a bed of serpents.

2369
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:28,440
And according to the traditional

2370
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:30,240
accounts, this is a very

2371
00:54:30,240 --> 00:54:32,320
interesting idol.

2372
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:34,960
It said it was originally

2373
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:36,460
worshipped on another planet

2374
00:54:36,460 --> 00:54:38,380
called Brahma Loka.

2375
00:54:38,380 --> 00:54:43,560
And then, millions of years ago,

2376
00:54:43,980 --> 00:54:45,320
it was brought to Earth.

2377
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:47,960
And it was worshipped in a city

2378
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:50,500
called Ayodhya in northern India.

2379
00:54:51,140 --> 00:54:55,560
And then, it was transferred by a

2380
00:54:55,560 --> 00:55:00,020
Vimana, by a spacecraft, from

2381
00:55:00,020 --> 00:55:04,120
northern India to southern India.

2382
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:07,620
And the spacecraft, the Vimana,

2383
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:10,100
landed on that island in the

2384
00:55:10,100 --> 00:55:10,840
Kavari River.

2385
00:55:11,780 --> 00:55:14,520
Now, it was supposed to go

2386
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:16,940
further, but there was a

2387
00:55:16,940 --> 00:55:19,360
condition attached to the

2388
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:21,240
transport of this idol that if it

2389
00:55:21,240 --> 00:55:22,600
stopped anywhere, it would just

2390
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:23,860
stay there and it couldn't be

2391
00:55:23,860 --> 00:55:24,360
moved.

2392
00:55:25,300 --> 00:55:30,380
So, when it landed on that

2393
00:55:30,380 --> 00:55:32,940
island in that river, it had to

2394
00:55:32,940 --> 00:55:34,800
stay there, and therefore, a

2395
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:36,300
temple was built there millions

2396
00:55:36,300 --> 00:55:37,160
of years ago.

2397
00:55:37,300 --> 00:55:38,880
Then, over the course of time,

2398
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:40,820
that temple was lost.

2399
00:55:41,720 --> 00:55:43,560
It was covered over, you know,

2400
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:45,800
by jungle and sand and things

2401
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:46,520
like that.

2402
00:55:47,220 --> 00:55:49,900
Until, you know, about somewhere

2403
00:55:49,900 --> 00:55:52,520
between 10,000 and 5,000 years

2404
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:55,700
ago, it was rediscovered and

2405
00:55:55,700 --> 00:55:59,080
another temple was built there.

2406
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:01,460
So, it's an interesting, you know,

2407
00:56:01,460 --> 00:56:01,940
history.

2408
00:56:03,060 --> 00:56:08,240
And, this is, see this gold

2409
00:56:08,240 --> 00:56:09,160
structure here?

2410
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:11,520
The form of the idol is in the

2411
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:13,180
building below it, it's directly

2412
00:56:13,180 --> 00:56:14,140
below this.

2413
00:56:14,580 --> 00:56:17,300
And this structure here, which you

2414
00:56:17,300 --> 00:56:20,300
find in all Indian temples, above,

2415
00:56:20,460 --> 00:56:23,020
in the place above, on the

2416
00:56:23,020 --> 00:56:25,120
building, above where the idol is,

2417
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:27,560
the deity is, you know, they have

2418
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:29,440
something, it's called a vimana,

2419
00:56:29,780 --> 00:56:32,240
interestingly enough, which is the

2420
00:56:32,240 --> 00:56:33,160
word for spacecraft.

2421
00:56:36,100 --> 00:56:43,480
The, now that, now the most recent

2422
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:45,780
structures in the temple are said,

2423
00:56:46,140 --> 00:56:48,060
by traditional sources, to be about,

2424
00:56:48,300 --> 00:56:50,940
you know, 5,000 years old.

2425
00:56:50,940 --> 00:56:53,520
And, that's interesting, because

2426
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:55,780
according to, to current

2427
00:56:55,780 --> 00:56:57,260
historians, there should have been

2428
00:56:57,260 --> 00:56:59,540
no Vedic culture, you know,

2429
00:56:59,580 --> 00:57:03,100
present in India, uh, 5,000 years

2430
00:57:03,100 --> 00:57:03,320
ago.

2431
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:06,280
Certainly no temples, temple, complex

2432
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:08,540
temple structures like that.

2433
00:57:09,100 --> 00:57:11,480
So, I'm a little interested in this

2434
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:14,060
particular place, and I'm interested

2435
00:57:14,060 --> 00:57:15,940
in trying to show that it's at least

2436
00:57:15,940 --> 00:57:17,640
5,000 years old.

2437
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:20,020
And, what to speak of, you know,

2438
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:21,780
this whole history of that idol

2439
00:57:21,780 --> 00:57:23,460
coming from other planets, by

2440
00:57:23,460 --> 00:57:23,960
spacecraft.

2441
00:57:24,700 --> 00:57:25,660
I mean, that's, that's another

2442
00:57:25,660 --> 00:57:26,180
whole area.

2443
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:28,860
But, what I would like to show, um,

2444
00:57:29,260 --> 00:57:32,080
uh, to archaeologists and historians,

2445
00:57:32,260 --> 00:57:35,040
is that place is at least, um,

2446
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:37,000
5,000 years old.

2447
00:57:37,860 --> 00:57:40,240
And, uh, there are some documents

2448
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:42,180
that say that this, this is the

2449
00:57:42,180 --> 00:57:45,140
third wall, uh, the third boundary

2450
00:57:45,140 --> 00:57:45,980
wall of the temple.

2451
00:57:45,980 --> 00:57:47,520
There are seven boundary walls.

2452
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:50,120
Uh, this, according to some ancient

2453
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:52,800
documents, is about 5,000 years old.

2454
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:55,880
Now, I went, uh, to this place with

2455
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:57,920
an Indian archaeologist who's

2456
00:57:57,920 --> 00:57:59,100
promised to be helpful.

2457
00:57:59,340 --> 00:58:01,340
And we were, our first effort is

2458
00:58:01,340 --> 00:58:02,600
just to see if there's any place

2459
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:04,400
where we could do some excavations.

2460
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:06,440
Obviously, we couldn't do it

2461
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:09,760
somewhere like, like this, because

2462
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:11,820
it's open to the public, and it's,

2463
00:58:12,140 --> 00:58:14,080
you know, just too, too much built up.

2464
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:16,520
Uh, but, you know, we did find, you

2465
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:18,280
know, some places along the, the

2466
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:20,120
boundary wall where we possibly

2467
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:21,600
could do some excavations.

2468
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:23,140
This is the, uh, Indian

2469
00:58:23,140 --> 00:58:25,520
archaeologist who's, uh, helping me

2470
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:27,360
get the proper permissions from the

2471
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:28,600
temple authorities and the

2472
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:30,420
Archaeological Survey of India to do

2473
00:58:30,420 --> 00:58:31,220
this research.

2474
00:58:31,780 --> 00:58:33,600
Uh, but we, we're mainly just

2475
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:35,780
looking for places where we could

2476
00:58:35,780 --> 00:58:36,680
do this.

2477
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:38,520
And we did find some open places,

2478
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:40,860
uh, where we could do that research.

2479
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:42,760
And if the, you know, proper, you

2480
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:44,520
know, permissions are obtained, then

2481
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:46,620
I would go back there in, uh, December

2482
00:58:46,620 --> 00:58:48,640
to do that research.

2483
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:50,460
So those are my three topics.

2484
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:54,540
Uh, you know, the, uh, evidence for

2485
00:58:54,540 --> 00:58:57,180
extreme human antiquity and the

2486
00:58:57,180 --> 00:58:58,960
extraterrestrial hypothesis, a little

2487
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:00,660
preview of my book, Human Devolution,

2488
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:03,800
and a little report on the sunken city

2489
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:05,260
and some other, you know, work that

2490
00:59:05,260 --> 00:59:06,300
I'm doing in India.

2491
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:09,860
So thank you very much for coming

2492
00:59:09,860 --> 00:59:11,540
here this evening.

2493
00:59:15,980 --> 00:59:17,660
Thank you so much, Michael.

2494
00:59:19,260 --> 00:59:20,720
He's trying to cover millions and

2495
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:22,580
millions of years of information in

2496
00:59:22,580 --> 00:59:23,780
just an hour and a half, and you did

2497
00:59:23,780 --> 00:59:24,240
a great job.

2498
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:26,940
Folks, uh, I know he's here now, and

2499
00:59:26,940 --> 00:59:28,240
we want to ask him a few questions.

2500
00:59:28,380 --> 00:59:29,840
So what we'd like to ask you to do is

2501
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:31,860
come up where the video camera is.

2502
00:59:31,900 --> 00:59:33,540
We have a microphone set up there.

2503
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:36,640
And just go ahead and line up one

2504
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:38,800
question at a time, please.

2505
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:41,180
Please phrase it in the form of a

2506
00:59:41,180 --> 00:59:43,060
question, as we'll have points

2507
00:59:43,060 --> 00:59:44,100
deducted from your score.

2508
00:59:45,620 --> 00:59:46,540
Don't be shy.

2509
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:47,380
Come on down.

2510
00:59:47,540 --> 00:59:47,820
Hi.

2511
00:59:47,940 --> 00:59:48,380
How you doing?

2512
00:59:48,580 --> 00:59:48,940
Great.

2513
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:49,740
Thanks.

2514
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:50,580
Thank you.

2515
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:54,280
Um, concerning, uh, San Pedro man,

2516
00:59:54,460 --> 00:59:56,060
are you familiar with that, that one,

2517
00:59:56,140 --> 00:59:58,960
um, up in Wyoming or wherever it was?

2518
01:00:00,140 --> 01:00:01,760
Uh, you'll have to tell me a little

2519
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:02,560
bit more about it.

2520
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:04,320
Yeah, it was the, uh, the little, the

2521
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:06,720
three-foot mummy that was found, uh,

2522
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:08,560
while a couple people were gold mining

2523
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:10,160
up in Wyoming or somewhere.

2524
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:12,960
And they, um, they blasted away some

2525
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:14,880
rock, and then they found, uh, there was a

2526
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:16,600
cavern in there, and there was a, uh, like a

2527
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:18,660
two- or three-foot mummy on the shelf

2528
01:00:18,660 --> 01:00:19,600
in there.

2529
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:22,980
You know, I learn something new every

2530
01:00:22,980 --> 01:00:25,620
day, and particularly I learn things when

2531
01:00:25,620 --> 01:00:27,740
I come to speak at, you know, before

2532
01:00:27,740 --> 01:00:28,700
groups like this.

2533
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:31,040
So now that is something new for me.

2534
01:00:31,100 --> 01:00:32,260
I'm not familiar with it.

2535
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:34,240
Um, yeah, okay.

2536
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:35,980
Then, uh, then actually I won't be able to

2537
01:00:35,980 --> 01:00:36,660
ask the question.

2538
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:38,300
Well, but go ahead and ask the question.

2539
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:39,760
Yeah, well, it concerned because I,

2540
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:41,240
actually I just wrote a paper that I

2541
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:43,520
posted on the internet about this, and, um,

2542
01:00:43,820 --> 01:00:45,480
somebody had sent me some documentation

2543
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:48,680
about, um, mummification rituals, and how

2544
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:51,300
they had had shrunken, uh, like in

2545
01:00:51,300 --> 01:00:52,920
modern days, in the last couple hundred

2546
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:55,380
years, that they had had shrunken beings.

2547
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:57,020
I guess they, there's a way that you

2548
01:00:57,020 --> 01:00:58,780
could mummify something that would, it

2549
01:00:58,780 --> 01:00:59,400
would shrink.

2550
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:01,300
And I was just wondering if you had any,

2551
01:01:01,340 --> 01:01:03,120
uh, information or any correlation

2552
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:05,080
between any of the other stuff.

2553
01:01:05,980 --> 01:01:10,540
Well, see, one thing is interesting is

2554
01:01:10,540 --> 01:01:13,080
that you do find, if you go through the

2555
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:14,600
literature, I wasn't familiar with this

2556
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:16,420
particular case, but you do find

2557
01:01:16,420 --> 01:01:19,100
evidence for extremely large and

2558
01:01:19,100 --> 01:01:22,820
extremely small size, uh, humans, you

2559
01:01:22,820 --> 01:01:24,420
know, that have existed on this planet.

2560
01:01:24,540 --> 01:01:25,640
So I think that's interesting.

2561
01:01:26,460 --> 01:01:29,340
Uh, as far as mummification techniques

2562
01:01:29,340 --> 01:01:31,840
go, I mean, obviously, if you're

2563
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:33,340
mummifying something, it's going to

2564
01:01:33,340 --> 01:01:36,020
shrivel and shrink, but I think there's

2565
01:01:36,020 --> 01:01:37,780
a limit to what you could do to the

2566
01:01:37,780 --> 01:01:38,620
bone structure.

2567
01:01:40,020 --> 01:01:41,840
I mean, that would be the thought that

2568
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:44,500
I would have, that, yeah, the fleshy

2569
01:01:44,500 --> 01:01:47,100
parts are obviously going to shrink up.

2570
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:49,300
Whether they could, you know, by

2571
01:01:49,300 --> 01:01:52,060
mummification techniques cause, you

2572
01:01:52,060 --> 01:01:54,280
know, the bones to shrink, I'm not so

2573
01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:56,440
sure about that.

2574
01:01:56,520 --> 01:01:56,940
Well, thank you.

2575
01:01:57,240 --> 01:01:58,560
I'll email you a couple pictures,

2576
01:01:58,680 --> 01:01:59,900
because I have a couple pictures that

2577
01:01:59,900 --> 01:02:01,500
they're, uh, they're like two feet.

2578
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:03,180
These are modern day mummies that have

2579
01:02:03,180 --> 01:02:04,620
been modified, and they're two or three

2580
01:02:04,620 --> 01:02:04,880
feet.

2581
01:02:05,500 --> 01:02:07,040
I would love to have that.

2582
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:08,660
I think, you know, I've got a card over

2583
01:02:08,660 --> 01:02:09,380
there on my table.

2584
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:10,920
It's got my email address on it.

2585
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:13,480
I'd like to hear that, get that report

2586
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:13,920
from you.

2587
01:02:15,020 --> 01:02:15,580
Good evening.

2588
01:02:15,980 --> 01:02:17,880
Given that there's evidence for human

2589
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:19,840
beings millions and millions of years

2590
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:23,820
ago, is time travel a possible

2591
01:02:23,820 --> 01:02:26,380
explanation for at least some of those

2592
01:02:26,380 --> 01:02:27,120
observations?

2593
01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:31,620
What I've done in Forbidden Archaeology

2594
01:02:31,620 --> 01:02:33,620
is simply put the facts out there, and

2595
01:02:33,620 --> 01:02:36,980
I'm happy to have people try to

2596
01:02:36,980 --> 01:02:40,200
account for, you know, this evidence in

2597
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:41,760
any way that makes sense to them.

2598
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:44,340
Different, different attempts have been

2599
01:02:44,340 --> 01:02:45,680
made to explain the evidence.

2600
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:49,360
Time travel, by which I think you mean

2601
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:53,100
reverse time travel, is an idea that has

2602
01:02:53,100 --> 01:02:53,980
been brought up.

2603
01:02:53,980 --> 01:02:57,040
Extratrustural visitations are another

2604
01:02:57,040 --> 01:02:58,420
idea that's been brought up.

2605
01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:02,840
I tend to favor the idea that they are

2606
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:07,000
humans that existed at that time.

2607
01:03:08,380 --> 01:03:11,820
The Vedic literature does give some

2608
01:03:11,820 --> 01:03:14,160
information about time travel, but not

2609
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:15,420
reverse time travel.

2610
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:19,520
The Vedic literature speaks about

2611
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:21,180
relativistic time effects.

2612
01:03:21,180 --> 01:03:25,020
say where a being living on this planet

2613
01:03:25,020 --> 01:03:26,560
will go to one of the higher dimensional

2614
01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:28,580
planets and apparently stay there only

2615
01:03:28,580 --> 01:03:30,580
for a few minutes and then come back to

2616
01:03:30,580 --> 01:03:32,220
Earth and find that millions of years

2617
01:03:32,220 --> 01:03:32,800
have passed.

2618
01:03:33,340 --> 01:03:35,980
So you could say that that's sort of a

2619
01:03:35,980 --> 01:03:39,020
kind of time travel, you know, where you

2620
01:03:39,020 --> 01:03:41,420
go to one dimension, you come back, and

2621
01:03:41,420 --> 01:03:44,300
you know, you've skipped over millions of

2622
01:03:44,300 --> 01:03:47,120
years and you're still in your same body.

2623
01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:51,180
I don't, so I think that thing is, that

2624
01:03:51,180 --> 01:03:52,360
sort of thing is possible.

2625
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:56,860
Whether reverse time travel like that is

2626
01:03:56,860 --> 01:03:58,620
possible, it may be.

2627
01:03:59,920 --> 01:04:03,840
From different Vedic sages and different

2628
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:08,600
accounts, we learn about a, something, a

2629
01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:11,080
human ability called tri-khalagya, means

2630
01:04:11,080 --> 01:04:15,000
the ability to know past, present, and future

2631
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:18,840
instantaneously, so that it may be possible

2632
01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:22,640
to get information from different points

2633
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:25,920
in time, either past, present, or future, by,

2634
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:28,640
you know, some sorts of means that we're

2635
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:30,780
not able to do now.

2636
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:34,340
Whether it's possible to physically

2637
01:04:34,340 --> 01:04:37,760
transport oneself, you know, back in time,

2638
01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:39,280
that's something.

2639
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:41,060
I mean, there are different theorists who are,

2640
01:04:41,180 --> 01:04:43,160
you know, proposing that it may or may not

2641
01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:45,500
be possible through wormholes or black

2642
01:04:45,500 --> 01:04:46,680
holes or things like that.

2643
01:04:46,740 --> 01:04:50,060
I think it's, among the modern cosmologists

2644
01:04:50,060 --> 01:04:51,900
and astrophysicists, it's a matter of

2645
01:04:51,900 --> 01:04:52,240
debate.

2646
01:04:52,380 --> 01:04:55,160
Some of them would say, you just get torn

2647
01:04:55,160 --> 01:04:55,400
up.

2648
01:04:55,500 --> 01:04:57,320
Anything that would go through a black hole

2649
01:04:57,320 --> 01:04:59,220
or a wormhole would just get torn up.

2650
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:01,460
Others say it may be possible.

2651
01:05:02,600 --> 01:05:04,100
So, what's your opinion?

2652
01:05:05,900 --> 01:05:06,600
I don't know.

2653
01:05:06,660 --> 01:05:08,360
I'm just trying to keep an open mind right

2654
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:10,880
now and just fascinated that there's the

2655
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:12,040
information to work with.

2656
01:05:12,260 --> 01:05:12,520
Thank you.

2657
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:17,200
Do you know anything about the sunken

2658
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:20,540
complex of temples that's sunken off the

2659
01:05:20,540 --> 01:05:23,760
southeast coast of India near Mahalapalaburam?

2660
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:28,340
Yes, there's work going on there.

2661
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:32,880
Graham Hancock has gone there and done some

2662
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:33,640
diving there.

2663
01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:37,240
There's also, I believe, just a team of

2664
01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:39,900
regular archaeologists that's been out there.

2665
01:05:40,540 --> 01:05:43,820
I think the big question will be the age of

2666
01:05:43,820 --> 01:05:45,680
those remains.

2667
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:52,720
if they can be shown to be 5,000 years old or

2668
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:55,300
older, that would be quite revolutionary for

2669
01:05:55,300 --> 01:05:58,260
the whole picture of the origin of

2670
01:05:58,260 --> 01:05:59,860
civilization in India.

2671
01:06:00,060 --> 01:06:03,100
If they turn out to be 10,000 years old, that

2672
01:06:03,100 --> 01:06:07,000
would be quite revolutionary for the whole

2673
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:09,520
current picture of civilization anywhere in

2674
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:09,920
the world.

2675
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:12,180
And if they turn out to be even older than

2676
01:06:12,180 --> 01:06:15,100
that, then that would be quite interesting

2677
01:06:15,100 --> 01:06:15,560
for me.

2678
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:17,080
So, yes.

2679
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:20,040
Hi.

2680
01:06:20,660 --> 01:06:22,680
Given this interesting information you gave

2681
01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:25,360
tonight about mind and spirit, I wonder if

2682
01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:28,000
you had ever considered, if you ever had, put

2683
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:30,060
any of these objects in the hands of gifted

2684
01:06:30,060 --> 01:06:32,620
psychometrists without telling them the

2685
01:06:32,620 --> 01:06:34,160
background of any of them and seeing if they

2686
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:37,400
can get a feel for the manufacturers or

2687
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:41,060
users of them, that they might visualize the

2688
01:06:41,060 --> 01:06:44,660
actual people who originally constructed them

2689
01:06:44,660 --> 01:06:45,200
or use them.

2690
01:06:45,860 --> 01:06:47,680
There's one standing right behind you.

2691
01:06:48,580 --> 01:06:49,420
Sandra Marsh.

2692
01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:55,360
I think you remember at the conference in

2693
01:06:55,360 --> 01:06:55,840
Nevada?

2694
01:06:57,120 --> 01:06:58,180
Where was that at?

2695
01:06:58,720 --> 01:06:59,200
Laughlin?

2696
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:00,320
Laughlin UFO.

2697
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:05,680
We had one of the metallic spheres from South

2698
01:07:05,680 --> 01:07:09,380
Africa, which you were holding and getting some

2699
01:07:09,380 --> 01:07:10,200
impression from.

2700
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:12,140
So, I don't know if you recall what your

2701
01:07:12,140 --> 01:07:14,900
impressions were at that time.

2702
01:07:15,900 --> 01:07:18,520
I was just happy to be holding something that was

2703
01:07:18,520 --> 01:07:20,560
over 2 billion years old.

2704
01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:21,880
Yes.

2705
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:26,160
So, no, I would love to have someone do some

2706
01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:26,920
things like that.

2707
01:07:26,920 --> 01:07:28,340
I think that would be very interesting.

2708
01:07:29,160 --> 01:07:30,440
Yeah, that was a while ago.

2709
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:34,720
What I'm going to ask you is in regard to a

2710
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:36,400
conversation we had a while ago.

2711
01:07:36,460 --> 01:07:38,440
We haven't really spoken because you've been

2712
01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:39,420
really busy traveling.

2713
01:07:40,700 --> 01:07:43,560
This is about the block wall found in Oklahoma.

2714
01:07:43,560 --> 01:07:48,960
Oklahoma, and we had discussed possibly you being

2715
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:51,380
able to get some sort of funding to go down into

2716
01:07:51,380 --> 01:07:51,600
that.

2717
01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:52,800
I believe it's a coal mine.

2718
01:07:53,560 --> 01:07:55,280
And could you tell people a little bit about that

2719
01:07:55,280 --> 01:08:00,580
story, and has anything come of that, any funding,

2720
01:08:00,780 --> 01:08:01,720
any further research?

2721
01:08:01,720 --> 01:08:07,640
I have not been able to take that any further.

2722
01:08:09,360 --> 01:08:12,840
See, I've got things that I am trying to take further, and

2723
01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:18,740
there's more than one person can do, so feel free, anyone,

2724
01:08:18,860 --> 01:08:20,080
to take up these projects.

2725
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:29,040
But the reports were from miners in Heavener, Oklahoma, who went down

2726
01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:36,580
two miles deep in a coal mine, and they were using dynamite to

2727
01:08:36,580 --> 01:08:41,720
blast open what they call rooms in the mines, and then they would

2728
01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:43,100
take out the coal.

2729
01:08:43,100 --> 01:08:52,020
So, they dynamited one room, and the miners saw at one end what

2730
01:08:52,020 --> 01:08:59,100
appeared to be a wall, and it was made of blocks of polished

2731
01:08:59,100 --> 01:09:03,900
stone, they said, about six inches square.

2732
01:09:04,580 --> 01:09:10,740
And they said the surface of the stone was polished so finely that it was

2733
01:09:10,740 --> 01:09:12,020
almost like a mirror.

2734
01:09:12,020 --> 01:09:13,560
They could see reflections in it.

2735
01:09:14,260 --> 01:09:19,440
They said, the miners said that when they reported this to the mining

2736
01:09:19,440 --> 01:09:24,500
officials, they were taken out of the mines and sent somewhere else.

2737
01:09:26,260 --> 01:09:38,000
And unfortunately, I myself have not been able to look into that case any

2738
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:38,780
further.

2739
01:09:38,780 --> 01:09:45,140
As you see, I do try to follow up on some of these cases, but on that particular

2740
01:09:45,140 --> 01:09:47,800
one, I haven't been able to do anything more about it.

2741
01:09:48,060 --> 01:09:59,280
I do think that coal miners are a source of a lot of information about these things.

2742
01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:02,800
As I said, it's not only just scientists that are finding things.

2743
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:04,160
Ordinary people find them.

2744
01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:08,960
Unfortunately, like a lot of the work that's being done in mining these days is being done

2745
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:11,520
with huge machines that just grind everything up.

2746
01:10:12,260 --> 01:10:18,540
There's not as much hands-on sort of work being done in the mines in this country anymore.

2747
01:10:18,540 --> 01:10:24,480
But in other countries, miners still are kind of working in a hands-on fashion.

2748
01:10:25,320 --> 01:10:29,760
So no, Sandra, I have not been able to make any further progress on that particular case.

2749
01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:32,020
Well, thank you for everything that you have done.

2750
01:10:32,140 --> 01:10:33,160
It's been incredible.

2751
01:10:33,160 --> 01:10:38,420
Now, how old was that layer, though, that the block walls were found?

2752
01:10:38,940 --> 01:10:41,040
That comes from the Carboniferous period.

2753
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:46,660
That would be in the range of roughly 300 million years.

2754
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:47,720
Yes.

2755
01:10:49,340 --> 01:10:57,940
Have you thought about other planets that are more hospitable to what you might call human growth

2756
01:10:57,940 --> 01:11:02,240
and reproduction in this planet?

2757
01:11:03,380 --> 01:11:04,020
Yes.

2758
01:11:04,260 --> 01:11:12,620
As I said, I think there is an extraterrestrial element to the whole process.

2759
01:11:16,480 --> 01:11:24,940
Many researchers in these fields are inspired by writings of various ancient civilizations,

2760
01:11:24,940 --> 01:11:29,500
whether they're the Sumerian text or the Egyptian text or Mayan text.

2761
01:11:30,140 --> 01:11:32,160
I'm familiar with a lot of them.

2762
01:11:32,420 --> 01:11:36,180
I focus myself on the Vedic text, the Sanskrit text,

2763
01:11:36,460 --> 01:11:43,280
which do speak about 400,000 human species scattered throughout the universe on various planets.

2764
01:11:43,420 --> 01:11:52,580
So I think we only represent a tiny portion here of the actual human population of the universe.

2765
01:11:52,580 --> 01:11:54,860
Last question.

2766
01:11:56,300 --> 01:11:59,560
Given that some of these people, as you mentioned earlier,

2767
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:08,660
could levitate, predict the future, whatever psycho powers they have,

2768
01:12:09,660 --> 01:12:13,500
and your new devolution theory,

2769
01:12:13,500 --> 01:12:22,520
why would the upper ranks bother to give folks here on Earth those powers?

2770
01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:27,880
Why would they bother to give those powers?

2771
01:12:28,420 --> 01:12:30,320
Yeah, and so rarely at that.

2772
01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:38,260
It appears that things go in cycles

2773
01:12:38,260 --> 01:12:42,320
because it would appear that in previous ages,

2774
01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:48,360
people on this planet had more of these powers than we do today.

2775
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:52,740
As a matter of fact, it appears that what we are attempting to do today

2776
01:12:52,740 --> 01:12:56,600
is reproduce these powers through technical means.

2777
01:12:56,600 --> 01:13:00,600
In other words, people may have had extrasensory perception,

2778
01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:06,160
abilities to perceive things naturally at a distance in more ancient times.

2779
01:13:06,220 --> 01:13:08,760
If you look at records of various ancient civilizations,

2780
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:11,420
it seems to have been quite a common thing.

2781
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:16,180
Now today we rely on CNN, the World Wide Web, television, satellites.

2782
01:13:16,740 --> 01:13:20,980
I think that's simply an attempt to reproduce the same...

2783
01:13:20,980 --> 01:13:22,800
I mean, why do we even try to do those things?

2784
01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:26,800
I think it's because it's a natural ability that we once had

2785
01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:32,760
and we're trying to reproduce it through technical means today.

2786
01:13:33,700 --> 01:13:38,800
And why that is, I really can't say why at times

2787
01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:43,360
we are given access to those types of powers

2788
01:13:43,360 --> 01:13:46,980
and why at a particular time we're not.

2789
01:13:46,980 --> 01:13:52,980
The Vedic literature speaks of a cycle of ages that repeats.

2790
01:13:53,480 --> 01:13:57,460
You know, there's a golden age where most people have these powers

2791
01:13:57,460 --> 01:14:01,140
and then it's reduced by 25%, another 25%,

2792
01:14:01,140 --> 01:14:02,500
and now we're in a fourth age.

2793
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:05,440
And then the cycle will go on again,

2794
01:14:05,540 --> 01:14:07,000
just as in the year, you know,

2795
01:14:07,020 --> 01:14:10,020
we find there's spring, summer, fall, winter.

2796
01:14:10,580 --> 01:14:11,660
Why is it like that?

2797
01:14:11,660 --> 01:14:13,260
It's just the way nature is.

2798
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:17,340
So it just appears to be a natural phenomenon

2799
01:14:17,340 --> 01:14:21,100
that these powers are sometimes given and sometimes taken away.

2800
01:14:22,540 --> 01:14:23,860
As far as I can tell.

2801
01:14:27,660 --> 01:14:28,140
Yes.

2802
01:14:28,140 --> 01:14:33,800
Say when you find, say, a human boot

2803
01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:37,920
and a geological layer

2804
01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:42,260
that supposedly would have belonged to the age of the dinosaurs

2805
01:14:42,260 --> 01:14:47,680
and then you've got the Sphinx and the Great Pyramid

2806
01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:52,120
that were obviously built before there was recorded history,

2807
01:14:52,120 --> 01:15:00,400
how can you state that a linear timeline applies in both cases?

2808
01:15:01,180 --> 01:15:08,240
In other words, where you've got a crisscross of timelines on this planet

2809
01:15:08,240 --> 01:15:10,940
and you've got time travelers

2810
01:15:10,940 --> 01:15:14,000
and you've got interdimensional shifts.

2811
01:15:15,340 --> 01:15:19,860
So have you been able to draw any conclusions in that direction

2812
01:15:19,860 --> 01:15:22,220
and explain this mystery?

2813
01:15:23,580 --> 01:15:27,340
Well, what we said in Forbidden Archaeology

2814
01:15:27,340 --> 01:15:31,240
is that our whole picture of time and everything

2815
01:15:31,240 --> 01:15:32,900
may be in need of revision.

2816
01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:41,780
But I was addressing my work principally to today's scientists

2817
01:15:41,780 --> 01:15:47,460
who do accept a particular geological history of the Earth

2818
01:15:47,460 --> 01:15:50,500
and a particular concept of time.

2819
01:15:51,200 --> 01:15:56,260
So my idea was that if I was going to engage in some kind of dialogue with them,

2820
01:15:56,460 --> 01:15:59,960
there had to be some kind of framework for the discussion.

2821
01:16:00,620 --> 01:16:06,740
So what I chose to do is accept their framework and their sense of time

2822
01:16:06,740 --> 01:16:09,880
and then point out to them the anomalies

2823
01:16:09,880 --> 01:16:15,460
that would appear to call these things into question.

2824
01:16:15,460 --> 01:16:20,720
Now that may not be the only way to approach these things.

2825
01:16:22,280 --> 01:16:29,300
You could start by challenging the assumptions about time

2826
01:16:29,300 --> 01:16:31,300
and the whole geological history of the Earth

2827
01:16:31,300 --> 01:16:38,440
and constructing a whole worldview in which these anomalies aren't anomalies,

2828
01:16:38,740 --> 01:16:41,300
but they're part of the reality of things.

2829
01:16:41,300 --> 01:16:45,280
It's just that I chose to go about it in that particular way,

2830
01:16:45,400 --> 01:16:50,900
which is why you could say I structure my presentations like that.

2831
01:16:51,400 --> 01:16:56,260
But in Forbidden Archaeology, we do say that, yeah, really,

2832
01:16:57,080 --> 01:17:00,560
the whole picture of time may be in need of revision.

2833
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:08,060
But for the sake of discussion with mainstream scientists,

2834
01:17:08,640 --> 01:17:10,480
I've chosen to go about it in that way.

2835
01:17:10,480 --> 01:17:22,660
There is a book by Peter Moon and Preston Nichols called Montauk Revisited,

2836
01:17:22,820 --> 01:17:26,480
which stems, of course, from the Philadelphia experiment,

2837
01:17:26,740 --> 01:17:30,780
which supposedly resulted in time travel.

2838
01:17:30,780 --> 01:17:35,300
And in the promo for this book on the back cover,

2839
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:38,220
it says, go beyond science.

2840
01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:43,580
Discover the occult principles behind the creation of this time zone.

2841
01:17:43,580 --> 01:17:53,320
So when you find a human boot in a supposed geological layer

2842
01:17:53,320 --> 01:17:56,120
that belonged to the dinosaur age,

2843
01:17:56,680 --> 01:18:00,900
that's definitely beyond human science,

2844
01:18:01,480 --> 01:18:02,800
and you're into the occult.

2845
01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:08,400
I do believe that we go, I think in any field,

2846
01:18:08,940 --> 01:18:13,820
whether we're talking about archaeology or UFO studies or physics,

2847
01:18:14,160 --> 01:18:16,460
if you pursue it to its limits,

2848
01:18:17,560 --> 01:18:23,360
you do start coming into the realm of what you have characterized as the occult.

2849
01:18:24,580 --> 01:18:25,720
Okay, thank you.

2850
01:18:25,740 --> 01:18:27,200
But it's step by step.

2851
01:18:27,540 --> 01:18:31,280
Maybe you've taken some big steps beyond,

2852
01:18:31,280 --> 01:18:37,220
but I'm kind of interested in bringing people

2853
01:18:37,220 --> 01:18:39,360
who may not be able to take those big steps

2854
01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:42,920
step by step in that direction.

2855
01:18:43,360 --> 01:18:44,380
Because I think you're right.

2856
01:18:44,700 --> 01:18:48,300
In all these fields, if you really look at what's there,

2857
01:18:48,480 --> 01:18:49,740
you are led in that direction.

2858
01:18:51,320 --> 01:18:51,760
Thanks.

2859
01:18:53,380 --> 01:18:55,780
Those metallic spheres look like bullets to me.

2860
01:18:56,320 --> 01:18:57,900
I mean, they're very accurately made,

2861
01:18:57,980 --> 01:19:00,080
so they'd have to be able to go through the bore of a gun.

2862
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:03,420
And the grooves on the modern high-powered rounds

2863
01:19:03,420 --> 01:19:06,320
are where your shell casings crimped down on a bullet.

2864
01:19:06,520 --> 01:19:07,920
So I think those are bullets.

2865
01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:15,440
Are you familiar with the Death Valley caves they found in the late 40s?

2866
01:19:15,940 --> 01:19:18,060
It used to be an inland sea thousands of years ago,

2867
01:19:18,060 --> 01:19:21,440
and they found, like, 9-foot, 10-foot gold mummies,

2868
01:19:21,900 --> 01:19:22,640
a lot of gold,

2869
01:19:22,980 --> 01:19:24,780
and they were sending them off to the Smithsonian.

2870
01:19:25,300 --> 01:19:27,360
And then when they got there, the boxcars were empty.

2871
01:19:27,760 --> 01:19:29,180
They'd been removed along the way.

2872
01:19:29,980 --> 01:19:33,200
And it seems that the common denominator on this planet

2873
01:19:33,200 --> 01:19:35,640
for these ancient sites is gold mining.

2874
01:19:36,340 --> 01:19:37,240
Your gold mines,

2875
01:19:37,800 --> 01:19:39,860
these ancient gold mines in South Africa,

2876
01:19:39,940 --> 01:19:42,300
the oldest mines on Earth before there was even,

2877
01:19:42,440 --> 01:19:43,300
you know, copper.

2878
01:19:43,300 --> 01:19:47,100
So it's like these gold mines seem like the common denominator.

2879
01:19:48,840 --> 01:19:51,940
Yes, and there's also gold mines in the Pacific,

2880
01:19:52,240 --> 01:19:53,020
like in New Guinea,

2881
01:19:53,240 --> 01:19:54,620
and places like that as well.

2882
01:19:55,300 --> 01:19:55,420
Yeah.

2883
01:19:57,420 --> 01:19:58,780
In light of this evidence,

2884
01:19:58,980 --> 01:20:01,420
what, if any, of Darwin's theory is still relevant?

2885
01:20:02,140 --> 01:20:04,180
Well, I think, as I mentioned,

2886
01:20:05,020 --> 01:20:08,300
the essential idea of reproduction with modification,

2887
01:20:08,300 --> 01:20:12,600
that's what his theory was based on.

2888
01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:15,900
But I just think he had it turned upside down.

2889
01:20:17,740 --> 01:20:21,940
He wanted to start with, you know,

2890
01:20:21,960 --> 01:20:24,700
the simple chemical elements combining,

2891
01:20:25,640 --> 01:20:28,520
forming some self-reproducing system,

2892
01:20:28,660 --> 01:20:29,940
which then, through reproduction,

2893
01:20:30,100 --> 01:20:32,320
becomes more and more complex,

2894
01:20:32,920 --> 01:20:35,020
and produces as a byproduct,

2895
01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:37,900
or an epiphenomenon, mind and consciousness.

2896
01:20:38,300 --> 01:20:41,800
So I sort of turned the whole thing upside down,

2897
01:20:41,920 --> 01:20:46,620
starting with consciousness as not an epiphenomenon,

2898
01:20:46,680 --> 01:20:47,360
but a phenomenon,

2899
01:20:48,280 --> 01:20:49,840
and mind.

2900
01:20:52,160 --> 01:20:55,880
And because certain consciousnesses and minds

2901
01:20:55,880 --> 01:20:58,840
need to be accommodated in forms,

2902
01:20:59,180 --> 01:21:01,240
on the gross physical level of reality,

2903
01:21:01,560 --> 01:21:05,500
there's a generation of forms for them.

2904
01:21:05,500 --> 01:21:09,480
But beginning from the more complex and subtle ones,

2905
01:21:09,580 --> 01:21:12,200
going down to the grosser ones,

2906
01:21:12,380 --> 01:21:15,520
but still, there's a process of reproduction

2907
01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:18,680
and modification that goes on.

2908
01:21:18,960 --> 01:21:20,640
So I think what remains for me

2909
01:21:20,640 --> 01:21:25,980
is the essential idea of reproduction and modification.

2910
01:21:25,980 --> 01:21:27,280
But it isn't random.

2911
01:21:27,420 --> 01:21:28,740
It's intelligently guided.

2912
01:21:28,740 --> 01:21:32,320
That's what would remain for me.

2913
01:21:32,760 --> 01:21:34,720
It's basically the same principle applies,

2914
01:21:34,900 --> 01:21:37,000
but his explanation of it's a little different?

2915
01:21:37,240 --> 01:21:37,720
Yeah.

2916
01:21:38,100 --> 01:21:41,880
So is there a progression from ape man to homo sapien,

2917
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:44,420
or do you think that that's maybe possibly

2918
01:21:44,420 --> 01:21:46,300
an incorrect conclusion that he...

2919
01:21:46,300 --> 01:21:50,960
Again, I think we start out with the more complex forms,

2920
01:21:51,080 --> 01:21:52,940
then go down to the more simple ones.

2921
01:21:55,160 --> 01:21:58,940
It would be a...

2922
01:21:58,940 --> 01:22:02,620
I mean, it's like turning the process upside down,

2923
01:22:02,700 --> 01:22:03,140
you could say.

2924
01:22:03,220 --> 01:22:06,160
So no, I wouldn't see a progression

2925
01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:09,760
from apes to ape men to human beings.

2926
01:22:09,760 --> 01:22:12,840
Rather, I would see that those are forms

2927
01:22:12,840 --> 01:22:15,160
that were generated by higher beings

2928
01:22:15,160 --> 01:22:19,360
for beings existing on this level of reality.