1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:18,240 You can, one of the ways you can trap criminal in the United States is for total 2 00:00:18,240 --> 00:00:19,240 on the originality. 3 00:00:19,240 --> 00:00:26,240 I mean, for the last 40 or 50 years, it's always been really arby Oswald. 4 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:32,760 If anybody gets assassinated, loaned, craze killer, loaned, craze killer, communist, 5 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:33,760 loaned craze killer. 6 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:41,240 They almost, these murders have almost always been blocked, but, oh no, you're not a conspiracy, 7 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:42,040 they're a whole nine. 8 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:43,840 You must believe in flying saucers. 9 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:47,520 Well, everything in the United States is a conspiracy. 10 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:52,160 Haven't we figured that out yet whether it's the tobacco companies saying smoke 11 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:55,120 or what they strike because then you'll be healthy. 12 00:00:55,120 --> 00:01:01,800 I mean, everyone can inspire us to treat the people and can inspire us to these power. 13 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:03,960 What is a political party? 14 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:06,760 But a conspiracy to seize the power of the state. 15 00:01:07,960 --> 00:01:09,960 And a child can work that one out. 16 00:01:09,960 --> 00:01:12,240 We're talking to Garvey Dal today and media matters. 17 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:13,200 I'm your host, Bob. 18 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:15,480 We just need your W.I.O.L.D. and I'll be back. 19 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:24,160 I'm your host, Bob. 20 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:26,160 I'm your host, Bob. 21 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:27,160 I'm your host, Bob. 22 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:28,160 I'm your host, Bob. 23 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:29,160 I'm your host, Bob. 24 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:30,160 I'm your host, Bob. 25 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:31,160 I'm your host, Bob. 26 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:32,160 I'm your host, Bob. 27 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:33,160 I'm your host, Bob. 28 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:34,160 I'm your host, Bob. 29 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:35,160 I'm your host, Bob. 30 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:36,160 I'm your host, Bob. 31 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:37,160 I'm your host, Bob. 32 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:38,160 I'm your host, Bob. 33 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:39,160 I'm your host, Bob. 34 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:40,160 I'm your host, Bob. 35 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:41,160 I'm your host, Bob. 36 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:41,160 37 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:42,160 I'm your host, Bob. 38 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:43,160 I'm your host, Bob. 39 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:43,160 40 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:44,160 I'm your host, Bob. 41 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:45,160 I'm your host, Bob. 42 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:45,160 43 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:46,160 I'm your host, Bob. 44 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:47,160 I'm your host, Bob. 45 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:48,160 I'm your host, Bob. 46 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:49,160 I'm your host, Bob. 47 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:50,160 I'm your host, Bob. 48 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:51,160 I'm your host, Bob. 49 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:52,160 I'm your host, Bob. 50 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:53,160 I'm your host, Bob. 51 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:54,160 I'm your host, Bob. 52 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:55,160 I'm your host, Bob. 53 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:56,160 I'm your host, Bob. 54 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:57,160 I'm your host, Bob. 55 00:01:57,160 --> 00:01:58,160 I'm your host, Bob. 56 00:01:58,160 --> 00:01:59,160 I'm your host, Bob. 57 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:00,160 I'm your host, Bob. 58 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:01,160 I'm your host, Bob. 59 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:02,160 I'm your host, Bob. 60 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:03,160 I'm your host, Bob. 61 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:04,160 I'm your host, Bob. 62 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:05,160 I'm your host, Bob. 63 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:06,160 I'm your host, Bob. 64 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:06,160 65 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:07,160 I'm your host, Bob. 66 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:08,160 I'm your host, Bob. 67 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:09,160 I'm your host, Bob. 68 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:10,160 I'm your host, Bob. 69 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:11,160 I'm your host, Bob. 70 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:12,160 I'm your host, Bob. 71 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:13,160 I'm your host, Bob. 72 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:14,160 I'm your host, Bob. 73 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:15,160 I'm your host, Bob. 74 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:16,160 I'm your host, Bob. 75 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:17,160 I'm your host, Bob. 76 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:18,160 I'm your host, Bob. 77 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:19,160 I'm your host, Bob. 78 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:20,160 I'm your host, Bob. 79 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:21,160 I'm your host, Bob. 80 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:22,160 I'm your host, Bob. 81 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:23,160 I'm your host, Bob. 82 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:24,160 I'm your host, Bob. 83 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:25,160 I'm your host, Bob. 84 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:26,160 I'm your host, Bob. 85 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:27,160 I'm your host, Bob. 86 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:28,160 I'm your host, Bob. 87 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:29,160 I'm your host, Bob. 88 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:29,160 89 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:30,160 I'm your host, Bob. 90 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:31,160 I'm your host, Bob. 91 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:32,160 I'm your host, Bob. 92 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:33,160 I'm your host, Bob. 93 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:34,160 I'm your host, Bob. 94 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:35,160 I'm your host, Bob. 95 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:36,160 I'm your host, Bob. 96 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:37,160 I'm your host, Bob. 97 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:38,160 I'm your host, Bob. 98 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:39,160 I'm your host, Bob. 99 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:40,160 I'm your host, Bob. 100 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:41,160 I'm your host, Bob. 101 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:42,160 I'm your host, Bob. 102 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:43,160 I'm your host, Bob. 103 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:44,160 I'm your host, Bob. 104 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:45,160 I'm your host, Bob. 105 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:46,160 I'm your host, Bob. 106 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:47,160 I'm your host, Bob. 107 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:48,160 I'm your host, Bob. 108 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:49,160 I'm your host, Bob. 109 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:50,160 I'm your host, Bob. 110 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:51,160 I'm your host, Bob. 111 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:52,160 I'm your host, Bob. 112 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:52,160 113 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:53,160 I'm your host, Bob. 114 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:54,160 I'm your host, Bob. 115 00:02:55,160 --> 00:03:00,160 They were, uh, be rating her, badgering her, thinking of little tricks to throw her off. 116 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:01,160 Well, he put words in her mouth. 117 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:03,160 He literally put the words in her mouth. 118 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:08,160 And then she finally broke down under the intense pressure. 119 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:14,160 As we begin to hear from the edited excerpts, her name is giving a solo rendition of Goodcop Badcop, 120 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:20,160 showing a patronizing concern for Serrano on the one hand, and menacing her in subtle ways on the other. 121 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:23,160 Serrano, one must remember, was merely a witness. 122 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:29,160 She was not a person accused of a serious crime clinging to a flimsy story with the hope of escaping punishment. 123 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:33,160 She had no reason to invent such a story, but more important. 124 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:41,160 The LAPD's own all-points bulletin from a separate source describes the very people and the conversation Serrano was reporting. 125 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:44,160 Nevertheless, hernandis keeps attacking. 126 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:48,160 The promise is that if she changes her story, the questioning will end. 127 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:53,160 The threat is to publicly denounce her as a liar and to continue the interrogations. 128 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:57,160 I see what happens, that there's two ways to approach this thing. 129 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:06,160 But the first one is going to appeal to you as a license, woman, that can't be presented by the person who is alive. 130 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:07,160 This is the one we have to cover. 131 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:13,160 The other way is to remove the photo of the papers who are here and tell these people having problems with the accomplices. 132 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:14,160 And this is our wrong way. 133 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:19,160 Because if you look at the self and a shape and the one, I look at the self. 134 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:23,160 And right now I have my deepest compassion for you because you are a young lady. 135 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:26,160 And I want to tell you whatever I believe is best for you. 136 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:29,160 That's best for you. 137 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:31,160 Why? 138 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:33,160 This is for your college. 139 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:34,160 You can't come there. 140 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:36,160 The child is up. 141 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:37,160 And the oldest. 142 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:38,160 The oldest. 143 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:39,160 The oldest. 144 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:40,160 The last chapter. 145 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:41,160 Why the rest? 146 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:42,160 Sarah. 147 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:45,160 Don't you think it's okay to say that I know what I'm telling you. 148 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:46,160 I'm not all telling you. 149 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:48,160 It's a very good thing to go. 150 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:49,160 What's going on with the code? 151 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:53,160 I think that and nobody told you we have stopped having to be. 152 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:55,160 It's somebody's time here or the other. 153 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:56,160 No. 154 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:57,160 I'm sorry to that. 155 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:58,160 That's true. 156 00:04:58,160 --> 00:04:59,160 That is true. 157 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:00,160 No. 158 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:05,160 The only thing that is going to be a 20-year-old, a 28-year-old, is the only thing. 159 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:06,160 What kind of a person? 160 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:07,160 It's another kind. 161 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:09,160 It's a home that's a thing. 162 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:10,160 What's that? 163 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:11,160 What? 164 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:12,160 It's a mess. 165 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:13,160 People are having a problem. 166 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:14,160 It's a mess. 167 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:17,160 But if you want, you know that nobody told you we have sharp can at it. 168 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:19,160 Somebody coming here, sharp, sharp. 169 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:20,160 No. 170 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:21,160 Nobody told you. 171 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:22,160 What are we in that area, Sammy? 172 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:23,160 How far? 173 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:24,160 No man. 174 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:25,160 No man. 175 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:26,160 Yes, but I don't get it. 176 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:27,160 Yes, but. 177 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:29,160 Daddy, if you like to say, don't be. 178 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:30,160 Don't be. 179 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:31,160 Why? 180 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:32,160 I'm not going to say. 181 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:33,160 I'm too busy. 182 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:34,160 I'm going to tell you. 183 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:35,160 I'm not going to say. 184 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:36,160 No. 185 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:37,160 No. 186 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:38,160 Just to say, it's fine. 187 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:39,160 You're not going to say. 188 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:40,160 No. 189 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:41,160 I'm not going to say. 190 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:42,160 No. 191 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:43,160 No. 192 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:44,160 No. 193 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:44,160 194 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:45,160 No. 195 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:46,160 No. 196 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:47,160 No. 197 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:48,160 No. 198 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:48,160 199 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:49,160 No. 200 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:50,160 No. 201 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:51,160 No. 202 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:52,160 No. 203 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:53,160 No. 204 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:54,160 No. 205 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:55,160 No. 206 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:56,160 No. 207 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:57,160 No. 208 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:58,160 No. 209 00:05:58,160 --> 00:05:59,160 No. 210 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:00,160 No. 211 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:01,160 No. 212 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:02,160 No. 213 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:03,160 No. 214 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:04,160 No. 215 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:05,160 No. 216 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:06,160 No. 217 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:07,160 No. 218 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:09,160 I'm going to ask you to visit the investigation. 219 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:11,160 This is not very close to that. 220 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:12,160 I'm not going to be. 221 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:13,160 No. 222 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:13,160 223 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:14,160 No. 224 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:14,160 225 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:16,160 I'm not going to put words in your mouth. 226 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:19,160 But I want you to be telling me the truth about the staircase. 227 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:19,160 228 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:19,160 229 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:20,160 I'm going to ask you. 230 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:21,160 I'm going to tell you. 231 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:22,160 I told you. 232 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:23,160 And we have shot him. 233 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:24,160 Oh. 234 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:25,160 Oh. 235 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:25,160 236 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:26,160 Oh. 237 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:26,160 238 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:27,160 Oh. 239 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:28,160 Where did he tell you this? 240 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:28,160 241 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:28,160 242 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:29,160 I'm not. 243 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:29,160 244 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:30,160 I'm not. 245 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:31,160 I'm going to tell you. 246 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:32,160 I'm going to tell you. 247 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:33,160 You say I do not have a staircase. 248 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:34,160 I'm going to go. 249 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:35,160 I'm not. 250 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:37,160 I have my age as much as I might be. 251 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:38,160 Did you? 252 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:39,160 I don't know. 253 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:40,160 I don't know. 254 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:41,160 I don't know. 255 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:43,160 But that's what you say about. 256 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:44,160 I'm going to go. 257 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:46,160 You're basically a decent person. 258 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:49,160 Then you're basically a decent person. 259 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:50,160 But here you are. 260 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:51,160 You're 20 years old. 261 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:53,160 This is going to change your whole life. 262 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:54,160 And you're going real fast. 263 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:55,160 You're missing right now. 264 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:57,160 Because you know that you have to make a decision. 265 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:58,160 Do you know what's true? 266 00:06:58,160 --> 00:06:59,160 What's the highest? 267 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:00,160 What's the highest? 268 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:01,160 What's the highest? 269 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:01,160 270 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:02,160 What's the highest? 271 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:02,160 272 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:03,160 You can't say that. 273 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:04,160 I can't fall. 274 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:05,160 You can't say it. 275 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:07,160 With your lips you can say it. 276 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:08,160 Go as you're feeling. 277 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:09,160 Your heart. 278 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:10,160 You're so good. 279 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:11,160 Tell me here. 280 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:12,160 These are lies. 281 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:13,160 This story is alright. 282 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:15,160 This isn't happening. 283 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:18,160 As we listen to excerpts from the last 20 minutes, 284 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:21,160 we hear Serrano begin to wear down. 285 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:22,160 Sgt. 286 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:23,160 Hernandez senses her exhaustion. 287 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:26,160 And in his patronizing manner begins his end game. 288 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:27,160 I'm coming. 289 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:28,160 This is making yourself so. 290 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:29,160 I don't repeat. 291 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:31,160 I stop for a month. 292 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:32,160 You stop for a month. 293 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:34,160 And now. 294 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:37,160 It's a little bit too long. 295 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:40,160 But the only time that you would be left with. 296 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:42,160 And I can tell you right now. 297 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:45,160 You tell me what happened out there. 298 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:47,160 And I can assure you that nobody else. 299 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:48,160 I don't know what I can. 300 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:50,160 But the thing is that I don't know what happened. 301 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:51,160 I don't know. 302 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:53,160 Really what's happened. 303 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:54,160 Everyone is such a mess. 304 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:56,160 What a thing, you're not a thing. 305 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:58,160 I saw that if I over and over and over. 306 00:07:58,160 --> 00:07:59,160 I can't over and over. 307 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:00,160 I don't over and over. 308 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:01,160 No. 309 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:03,160 I can't remember. 310 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:04,160 I am my mom. 311 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:06,160 I can't remember. 312 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:07,160 I can't remember. 313 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:08,160 You said to me. 314 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:09,160 I don't know. 315 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:10,160 I can't remember. 316 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:11,160 I can't remember. 317 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:12,160 I can't remember. 318 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:13,160 They told me to show up. 319 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:14,160 I can't remember. 320 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:15,160 They never say that. 321 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:16,160 And then you find it like. 322 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:18,160 They told me to read your own. 323 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:19,160 They were coming. 324 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:20,160 When did you out? 325 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:21,160 Did you see the last thing? 326 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:22,160 Yes. 327 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:22,160 328 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:23,160 You don't. 329 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:24,160 You don't. 330 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:25,160 You don't. 331 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:26,160 You don't. 332 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:28,160 And I do all the wrong thing. 333 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:29,160 They are. 334 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:30,160 They are. 335 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:31,160 They are. 336 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:32,160 They are so bad. 337 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:33,160 It's not every day. 338 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:34,160 They are all right. 339 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:35,160 It's not the show. 340 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:36,160 I'm not. 341 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:37,160 I wasn't telling you all about it. 342 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:39,160 Somebody didn't tell me. 343 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:40,160 Well, we told you. 344 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:41,160 Kennedy has been shot. 345 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:42,160 They shot Kennedy. 346 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:43,160 Your heat shot Kennedy. 347 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:44,160 You don't agree. 348 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:46,160 He started questioning you the next thing. 349 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:47,160 It was too people. 350 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:48,160 The next thing was a woman in the quiet. 351 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:49,160 He's quiet. 352 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:50,160 He's quiet. 353 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:51,160 He's not dressing. 354 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:52,160 Before you know it's dirty. 355 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:53,160 I'm sure. 356 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:54,160 I can see for you. 357 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:55,160 I missed her. 358 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:56,160 Yeah. 359 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:57,160 I was with him. 360 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:58,160 I didn't see her. 361 00:08:58,160 --> 00:08:59,160 I was with him. 362 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:00,160 I was with him. 363 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:01,160 I was with him. 364 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:02,160 I was with him. 365 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:03,160 I was with him. 366 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:04,160 I was with him. 367 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:05,160 I was with him. 368 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:06,160 I was with him. 369 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:07,160 I was with him. 370 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:08,160 I was with him. 371 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:09,160 I was with him. 372 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:10,160 I was with him. 373 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:11,160 I was with him. 374 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:12,160 I was with him. 375 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:13,160 I was with him. 376 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:14,160 I was with him. 377 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:15,160 I was with him. 378 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:16,160 I was with him. 379 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:17,160 I was with him. 380 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:18,160 I was with him. 381 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:19,160 I was with him. 382 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:20,160 I was with him. 383 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:21,160 I was with him. 384 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:22,160 I was with him. 385 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:23,160 I was with him. 386 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:24,160 I was with him. 387 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:25,160 I was with him. 388 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:26,160 I was with him. 389 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:27,160 I was with him. 390 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:28,160 I was with him. 391 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:29,160 I was with him. 392 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:30,160 I was with him. 393 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:31,160 I was with him. 394 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:32,160 I was with him. 395 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:33,160 I was with him. 396 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:34,160 I was with him. 397 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:35,160 I was with him. 398 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:36,160 I was with him. 399 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:37,160 I was with him. 400 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:38,160 I was with him. 401 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:39,160 I was with him. 402 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:40,160 I was with him. 403 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:41,160 I was with him. 404 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:42,160 I was with him. 405 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:43,160 I was with him. 406 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:44,160 I was with him. 407 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:45,160 I was with him. 408 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:46,160 I was with him. 409 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:47,160 I was with him. 410 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:48,160 I was with him. 411 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:49,160 I was with him. 412 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:50,160 I was with him. 413 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:51,160 I was with him. 414 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:52,160 I was with him. 415 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:53,160 I was with him. 416 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:54,160 I was with him. 417 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:55,160 I was with him. 418 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:56,160 I was with him. 419 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:57,160 I was with him. 420 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:58,160 I was with him. 421 00:09:58,160 --> 00:09:59,160 I was with him. 422 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:00,160 I was with him. 423 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:01,160 I was with him. 424 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:02,160 I was with him. 425 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:03,160 I was with him. 426 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:04,160 I was with him. 427 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:05,160 I was with him. 428 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:06,160 I was with him. 429 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:07,160 I was with him. 430 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:08,160 I was with him. 431 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:09,160 I was with him. 432 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:10,160 I was with him. 433 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:11,160 I was with him. 434 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:12,160 I was with him. 435 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:13,160 I was with him. 436 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:14,160 I was with him. 437 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:15,160 I was with him. 438 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:16,160 I was with him. 439 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:17,160 I was with him. 440 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:18,160 I was with him. 441 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:19,160 I was with him. 442 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:20,160 I was with him. 443 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:21,160 I was with him. 444 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:22,160 I was with him. 445 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:23,160 I was with him. 446 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:24,160 I was with him. 447 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:25,160 I was with him. 448 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:26,160 I was with him. 449 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:27,160 I was with him. 450 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:28,160 I was with him. 451 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:29,160 I was with him. 452 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:30,160 I was with him. 453 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:31,160 I was with him. 454 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:32,160 I was with him. 455 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:33,160 I was with him. 456 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:34,160 I was with him. 457 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:35,160 I was with him. 458 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:36,160 I was with him. 459 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:37,160 I was with him. 460 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:38,160 I was with him. 461 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:39,160 I was with him. 462 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:40,160 I was with him. 463 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:41,160 I was with him. 464 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:42,160 I was with him. 465 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:43,160 I was with him. 466 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:44,160 I was with him. 467 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:45,160 I was with him. 468 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:46,160 I was with him. 469 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:47,160 I was with him. 470 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:48,160 I was with him. 471 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:49,160 I was with him. 472 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:50,160 I was with him. 473 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:51,160 I was with him. 474 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:52,160 I was with him. 475 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:53,160 I was with him. 476 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:54,160 I was with him. 477 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:55,160 I was with him. 478 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:56,160 I was with him. 479 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:57,160 I was with him. 480 00:10:57,160 --> 00:10:58,160 I was with him. 481 00:10:58,160 --> 00:10:59,160 I was with him. 482 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:00,160 I was with him. 483 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:01,160 I was with him. 484 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:02,160 I was with him. 485 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:03,160 I was with him. 486 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:04,160 I was with him. 487 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:05,160 I was with him. 488 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:06,160 I was with him. 489 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:07,160 I was with him. 490 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:08,160 I was with him. 491 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:09,160 I was with him. 492 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:10,160 I was with him. 493 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:11,160 I was with him. 494 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:12,160 I was with him. 495 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:13,160 I was with him. 496 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:14,160 I was with him. 497 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:15,160 I was with him. 498 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:16,160 I was with him. 499 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:17,160 I was with him. 500 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:18,160 I was with him. 501 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:19,160 I was with him. 502 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:20,160 I was with him. 503 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:21,160 I was with him. 504 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:22,160 I was with him. 505 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:23,160 I was with him. 506 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:24,160 I was with him. 507 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:25,160 I was with him. 508 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:26,160 I was with him. 509 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:27,160 I was with him. 510 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:28,160 I was with him. 511 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:29,160 I was with him. 512 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:30,160 I was with him. 513 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:31,160 I was with him. 514 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:32,160 I was with him. 515 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:33,160 I was with him. 516 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:34,160 I was with him. 517 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:35,160 I was with him. 518 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:36,160 I was with him. 519 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:37,160 I was with him. 520 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:38,160 I was with him. 521 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:39,160 I was with him. 522 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:40,160 I was with him. 523 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:41,160 I was with him. 524 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:42,160 I was with him. 525 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:43,160 I was with him. 526 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:44,160 I was with him. 527 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:45,160 I was with him. 528 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:46,160 I was with him. 529 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:47,160 I was with him. 530 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:48,160 I was with him. 531 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:49,160 I was with him. 532 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:50,160 I was with him. 533 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:51,160 I was with him. 534 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:52,160 I was with him. 535 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:53,160 I was with him. 536 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:54,160 I was with him. 537 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:55,160 I was with him. 538 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:56,160 I was with him. 539 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:57,160 I was with him. 540 00:11:57,160 --> 00:11:58,160 I was with him. 541 00:11:58,160 --> 00:11:59,160 I was with him. 542 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:00,160 I was with him. 543 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:01,160 I was with him. 544 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:02,160 I was with him. 545 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:03,160 I was with him. 546 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:04,160 I was with him. 547 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:05,160 I was with him. 548 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:06,160 I was with him. 549 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:07,160 I was with him. 550 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:08,160 I was with him. 551 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:09,160 I was with him. 552 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:10,160 I was with him. 553 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:11,160 I was with him. 554 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:12,160 I was with him. 555 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:13,160 I was with him. 556 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:13,160 557 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:14,160 I was with him. 558 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:15,160 I was with him. 559 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:16,160 I was with him. 560 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:17,160 I was with him. 561 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:18,160 I was with him. 562 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:19,160 I was with him. 563 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:20,160 I was with him. 564 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:21,160 I was with him. 565 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:22,160 I was with him. 566 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:23,160 I was with him. 567 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:24,160 I was with him. 568 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:25,160 I was with him. 569 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:26,160 I was with him. 570 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:27,160 I was with him. 571 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:28,160 I was with him. 572 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:29,160 I was with him. 573 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:30,160 I was with him. 574 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:31,160 I was with him. 575 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:32,160 I was with him. 576 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:33,160 I was with him. 577 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:34,160 I was with him. 578 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:35,160 I was with him. 579 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:36,160 I was with him. 580 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:37,160 I was with him. 581 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:38,160 I was with him. 582 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:39,160 I was with him. 583 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:40,160 I was with him. 584 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:41,160 I was with him. 585 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:42,160 I was with him. 586 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:43,160 I was with him. 587 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:44,160 I was with him. 588 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:45,160 I was with him. 589 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:46,160 I was with him. 590 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:47,160 I was with him. 591 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:48,160 I was with him. 592 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:49,160 I was with him. 593 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:50,160 I was with him. 594 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:51,160 I was with him. 595 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:52,160 I was with him. 596 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:53,160 I was with him. 597 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:54,160 I was with him. 598 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:55,160 I was with him. 599 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:56,160 I was with him. 600 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:57,160 I was with him. 601 00:12:57,160 --> 00:12:58,160 I was with him. 602 00:12:58,160 --> 00:12:59,160 I was with him. 603 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:00,160 I was with him. 604 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:01,160 I was with him. 605 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:02,160 I was with him. 606 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:03,160 I was with him. 607 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:04,160 I was with him. 608 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:05,160 I was with him. 609 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:06,160 I was with him. 610 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:07,160 I was with him. 611 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:08,160 I was with him. 612 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:09,160 I was with him. 613 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:10,160 I was with him. 614 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:11,160 I was with him. 615 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:12,160 I was with him. 616 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:13,160 I was with him. 617 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:14,160 I was with him. 618 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:15,160 I was with him. 619 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:16,160 I was with him. 620 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:17,160 I was with him. 621 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:18,160 I was with him. 622 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:19,160 I was with him. 623 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:20,160 I was with him. 624 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:21,160 I was with him. 625 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:22,160 I was with him. 626 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:23,160 I was with him. 627 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:24,160 I was with him. 628 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:25,160 I was with him. 629 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:26,160 I was with him. 630 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:27,160 I was with him. 631 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:28,160 I was with him. 632 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:29,160 I was with him. 633 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:30,160 I was with him. 634 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:31,160 I was with him. 635 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:32,160 I was with him. 636 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:33,160 I was with him. 637 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:34,160 I was with him. 638 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:35,160 I was with him. 639 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:36,160 I was with him. 640 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:37,160 I was with him. 641 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:38,160 I was with him. 642 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:39,160 I was with him. 643 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:40,160 I was with him. 644 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:41,160 I was with him. 645 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:42,160 I was with him. 646 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:43,160 I was with him. 647 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:44,160 I was with him. 648 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:45,160 I was with him. 649 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:46,160 I was with him. 650 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:47,160 I was with him. 651 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:48,160 I was with him. 652 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:49,160 I was with him. 653 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:50,160 I was with him. 654 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:51,160 I was with him. 655 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:52,160 I was with him. 656 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:53,160 I was with him. 657 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:54,160 I was with him. 658 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:55,160 I was with him. 659 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:56,160 I was with him. 660 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:57,160 I was with him. 661 00:13:57,160 --> 00:13:58,160 I was with him. 662 00:13:58,160 --> 00:13:59,160 I was with him. 663 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:00,160 I was with him. 664 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:01,160 I was with him. 665 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:02,160 I was with him. 666 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:03,160 I was with him. 667 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:04,160 I was with him. 668 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:05,160 I was with him. 669 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:06,160 I was with him. 670 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:07,160 I was with him. 671 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:08,160 I was with him. 672 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:09,160 I was with him. 673 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:10,160 I was with him. 674 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:11,160 I was with him. 675 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:12,160 I was with him. 676 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:13,160 I was with him. 677 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:14,160 I was with him. 678 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:15,160 I was with him. 679 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:16,160 I was with him. 680 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:17,160 I was with him. 681 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:18,160 I was with him. 682 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:19,160 I was with him. 683 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:20,160 I was with him. 684 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:21,160 I was with him. 685 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:22,160 I was with him. 686 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:23,160 I was with him. 687 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:24,160 I was with him. 688 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:25,160 I was with him. 689 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:26,160 I was with him. 690 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:27,160 I was with him. 691 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:28,160 I was with him. 692 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:29,160 I was with him. 693 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:30,160 I was with him. 694 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:31,160 I was with him. 695 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:32,160 I was with him. 696 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:33,160 I was with him. 697 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:34,160 I was with him. 698 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:35,160 I was with him. 699 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:36,160 I was with him. 700 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:37,160 I was with him. 701 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:38,160 I was with him. 702 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:39,160 I was with him. 703 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:40,160 I was with him. 704 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:41,160 I was with him. 705 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:42,160 I was with him. 706 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:43,160 I was with him. 707 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:44,160 I was with him. 708 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:48,160 Nobody of course have any reason to fear being caught. 709 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:53,160 Having been relieved, although uniquely American symptoms guilt and fear, 710 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:56,160 he cannot possibly give himself a word. 711 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:57,160 He killed me in a sassin. 712 00:14:57,160 --> 00:15:02,160 I wanted a killer from a world filled with killers and he chose you. 713 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:08,160 It gets a terrible thing to hate your mother. 714 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:11,160 But I didn't always hate her. 715 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:16,160 The preceding is when Richard Condon's novel The Manchurian Kennedy, 716 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:19,160 which in 1962 became a hit movie, 717 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:22,160 in which Lawrence Harvey played Raymond Shaw, 718 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:24,160 a highly decorated prisoner of war 719 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:27,160 who is brainwashed by his North Korean captors 720 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:28,160 to become a robot assassin, 721 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:31,160 programmed to murder the president. 722 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:34,160 Unknown to millions of people who thrill to this taught tale 723 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:37,160 in theaters across America, the Central Intelligence Agency, 724 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:40,160 at the time, through its MK-Oltre program, 725 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:43,160 was devoting large resources to see if by drugs, 726 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:49,160 electro-shock or hypnotism, a robot assassin could in fact be created. 727 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:52,160 Common wisdom of course holds that a person cannot be programmed 728 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:55,160 to do something that he would find morally objectionable, 729 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:57,160 but not everyone believes that. 730 00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:00,160 After receiving a small dose of LSD, 731 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:03,160 there are confused and undeciferous. 732 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:06,160 The notion that you can't be hypnotized 733 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:09,160 to do something you're not more inclined to do, 734 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:12,160 was clearly disproved by our government. 735 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:15,160 Dr. Philip Malanson is the author of the recently released book, 736 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:17,160 the Robert Kennedy assassination, 737 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:21,160 and which he investigates the hypno-programming aspects of the Kennedy murder. 738 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:26,160 Dr. Malanson has been over a decade looking through government mind-control files. 739 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:29,160 The experts that they had doing this kind of research 740 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:33,160 believe you could do that, they demonstrated how it could be done 741 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:37,160 both in their own practices and in their work for the government. 742 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:41,160 And millions of dollars were spent and hundreds of people were worked on 743 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:43,160 and were made to do those things. 744 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:48,160 And the successful uses of hypno-programmed persons as 745 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:51,160 carriers and spies is admitted by the government. 746 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:53,160 The government refuses to admit assassination 747 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:56,160 that clearly they had that technology available as well. 748 00:16:56,160 --> 00:17:00,160 And it can be done the mainstream of the medical profession 749 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:04,160 and the experts think it can't be done or choose to believe it can't be done. 750 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:07,160 But the broad group working for the government believed it could be done 751 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:09,160 and demonstrated that they could do it. 752 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:16,160 From the moment Sirhan was caught with the smoking gun 753 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:20,160 to this day as he serves a life sentence in a California prison. 754 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:26,160 Sirhan Sirhan claims to have no memory of killing Bobby Kennedy. 755 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:31,160 And what appeared to be an open and shut case, 756 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:34,160 Sirhan's lawyers never contested his guilt. 757 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:37,160 They merely sought to prove him insane, 758 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:40,160 incapable of planning the assassination. 759 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:45,160 But the jury convicted Sirhan a first degree premeditated murder. 760 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:49,160 They concluded he was a politically motivated assassin, 761 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:54,160 a lone gunman who was faking his amnesia to avoid punishment. 762 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:58,160 But some experts investigating the assassination 763 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:02,160 believe Sirhan's amnesia is genuine. 764 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:08,160 They offer a highly controversial theory for the cause of Sirhan's lack of memory. 765 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:12,160 Sirhan's lack of memory for the murder of Robert Kennedy was genuine 766 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:16,160 and it was established by both the defense and the prosecution before the trial. 767 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:19,160 Sirhan himself badly wanted to remember what had happened 768 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:21,160 after all he was caught with a smoking gun. 769 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:25,160 So he wanted very badly to remember and he worked hard at it, 770 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:29,160 but he was still unable to come up with any motive or any memory of the crime. 771 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:36,160 Sirhan remembers the events just prior to the shooting and just after his capture. 772 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:41,160 But claims to have elapsed memory during the actual shooting. 773 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:43,160 Dear member Drinking Coffee, 774 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:46,160 we'll put the hand in the finger on the coffee. 775 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:50,160 Sirhan remembers anything at all that, but do you remember? 776 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:53,160 When you got back and that's he had some coffee. 777 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:56,160 The hours took a lack of alcohol, but it's choking. 778 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:59,160 I was choking on what? 779 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:02,160 Sirhan, did you go on? 780 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:04,160 Did you go on? 781 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:06,160 Did you go on? 782 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:09,160 Oh, you mean after the shooting? 783 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:10,160 Yes. 784 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:17,160 Sirhan's side-chrysts for both the defense and prosecution testified 785 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:21,160 that Sirhan did have amnesia for the assassination. 786 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:27,160 But to this day, no psychiatrist has found any evidence of psychosis in Sirhan, 787 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:32,160 which scientists consider another possible cause of amnesia. 788 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:37,160 Malancin became convinced that Sirhan's lack of memory is the result of being hypnotized 789 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:40,160 and programmed to kill. 790 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:45,160 After 15 years of analyzing the evidence and interviewing experts and witnesses, 791 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:50,160 the only logical conclusion in this case for my mind is that Sirhan's Sirhan was a program 792 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:55,160 to show up shooting at Robert Kennedy and program not to remember. 793 00:19:55,160 --> 00:20:00,160 Is the program to assassination theory merely the plot of a Hollywood movie? 794 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:06,160 Or is it really possible to hypnotize someone to kill? 795 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:10,160 Dr. Herbert Spiegel is one of the world's leading experts on hypnosis. 796 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:15,160 He is taught hypnosis at the Columbia University Medical School for over 20 years 797 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:22,160 and is the inventor of the standardized test for measuring a subject's hypnotizability. 798 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:29,160 He believes there is circumstantial evidence that suggests Sirhan's Sirhan was hypnotized to kill. 799 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:39,160 The total and complete amnesia that Sirhan demonstrated from the very beginning to this very day 800 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:52,160 suggests strongly that he was highly hypnotizable and the program to perform that act. 801 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:59,160 Hypnosis played a major role in Sirhan's trial as psychiatrist for the defense and prosecution 802 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:05,160 hypnotized Sirhan at least six times in an effort to unlock his memory. 803 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:08,160 You're right in the kitchen now. 804 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:14,160 In one session under hypnosis, Sirhan was induced to re-enact the shooting. 805 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:17,160 Well, it's hard to count his here. 806 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:23,160 The psychiatrist reported that Sirhan nearly choked as he relived being strangled, 807 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:26,160 just as in his actual capture. 808 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:34,160 This incident is one of many that Dr. Spiegel found in his review of the court psychiatrist's reports 809 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:42,160 that lead him to believe that Sirhan falls into the highest category of hypnotizability. 810 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:47,160 Only about five to ten percent of the population are the highly hypnotizable. 811 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:52,160 He comes under the category what might be called the hypnotic virtuosos. 812 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:59,160 In fact, Sirhan's high hypnotizability, which allowed him to slip into spontaneous chances, 813 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:02,160 was the basis of the defense's argument. 814 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:07,160 His lawyers argued that Sirhan involuntarily shifted into a hypnotic trance, 815 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:12,160 and therefore carried out the assassination without planning it ahead of time. 816 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:19,160 The possibility that someone else may have hypnotized Sirhan was never presented in court. 817 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:26,160 But Dr. Spiegel believes that the circumstantial evidence, Sirhan's desire to be hypnotized, 818 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:32,160 his extreme compliance under hypnosis, his amnesia to the assassination event, 819 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:39,160 all suggests that Sirhan appears to be an ideal candidate to be hypnotized. 820 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:46,160 But can someone be hypnotized to kill? 821 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:55,160 Yes, it is possible to instruct a highly hypnotizable person to perform many acts including assassination. 822 00:22:55,160 --> 00:23:01,160 For the past ten years, this eminent California in lawyer has been investigating the links between hypnosis, 823 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,160 the American security agencies and murder. 824 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:10,160 Can hypnosis be used to influence people to commit illegal or immoral acts? 825 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:15,160 There's generally a folklore that it can't be so used, and I think the reason for the folklore 826 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:23,160 for one is to discourage people from trying, and two because it took a while for hypnosis to establish itself as a valid therapeutic technique. 827 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:30,160 Now that we know that it is a valid therapeutic technique, we can also see that just as it can be used for good, it can be used for evil. 828 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:37,160 For example, in 1954, the four years before the Manchurian candidate novel had been published, 829 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:43,160 the Central Intelligence Agency had a team to build Manchurian candidates to commit assassinations, 830 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:50,160 and one of the most frightening memos that I've read is an experiment that they wanted to run 831 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:56,160 to be able to program somebody to assassinate a foreign head of state, or an American official. 832 00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:01,160 Surely this is just some conspiracy theory. What evidence is there to really support this? 833 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:08,160 I'm interested in the historical fact, and the historical fact for me has come from Central Intelligence Agency documents, 834 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:16,160 and the document is definitely established that by 1954, the CIA, or at least the component that did the hypnosis research, 835 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:20,160 was convinced that they could program people into committing assassinations. 836 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:28,160 A more recent experimentation by the Central Intelligence Agency suggests that they have conducted a series of what they call terminal experiments, 837 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:31,160 and these are experiments which will end in the death of the subjects. 838 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:39,160 In one set of letters from the CIA to a researcher, they asked the researcher if he would be willing to conduct terminal experiments, 839 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,160 and the researcher said he'd do it for free. 840 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,160 Smip Rancho? 841 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,160 Smipa. 842 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:49,160 Why did you try to kill me? 843 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:53,160 I had to kill him. I had to. 844 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,160 Oh snap out of it. Stop it, what? 845 00:24:55,160 --> 00:25:01,160 Me shaming the reason. Who told you to kill me? 846 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:08,160 She told me. She told you. She told me. I couldn't miss. 847 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:12,160 Well, like you did miss you murderer, I didn't know about her. 848 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:16,160 Isn't Coco Williams? 849 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:20,160 She told you you had to do it, didn't she? 850 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:23,160 I had to do it. 851 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:24,160 I caught that's my gun it. 852 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,160 God was, the method you used in the finger murders. 853 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:31,160 Well, what is it? Hypnotism, my dear fellow, hypnotism. 854 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:37,160 This eerie for boating structure, also known as Ravenscrack, 855 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:40,160 became a house of psychological horrors. 856 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:44,160 All under the watchful eye of one of the world's leading physicians. 857 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,160 Dr. Yuan Cameron. 858 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:54,160 The story of Dr. Yuan Cameron is one of the most tragic, but one of the most clearly visible stories 859 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:58,160 of what happened during the mine control experimentation days. 860 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:02,160 Using unknown Canadian citizens as test subjects, 861 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:06,160 Cameron had developed a new procedure which caught the eye of the M.K. 862 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:10,160 and the control researchers as well as the Canadian intelligence community. 863 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:15,160 He was hired by the CIA and the Canadian government to further explore the treatment, 864 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,160 which he called psychic driving. 865 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:23,160 First, Cameron proposed that they would use intensive electro-shock and LSD 866 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:28,160 and other disorienting drugs to, in his terms, depattern individuals, 867 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:31,160 basically to wipe the slate clean. 868 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,160 Second, using tape recorded messages, 869 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:39,160 trying to program in new behaviors by repeating these messages hundreds of thousands of times, 870 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:43,160 while the victim was immobilized with other drugs. 871 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:47,160 And the final phase was to try to wipe the slate clean, 872 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:50,160 so that people could not, again, remember what had happened to them, 873 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,160 but still have the new behavior. 874 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:57,160 The psychic driving experiments literally reduced the person to a vegetable. 875 00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:01,160 One of the group of people who is a man called Robert Logi, who lives in Vancouver. 876 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,160 He was also a victim of these psychic driving experiments, 877 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:09,160 where tape loops were played countless hours per day, many months in a row. 878 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:16,160 I heard four words, and it's very hard for me to say, 879 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:24,160 four words, however, were you killed to mother? 880 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,160 None of this, of course, was therapeutic. 881 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,160 None of it was warranted by the conditions under which the people 882 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,160 had gone to the institute. 883 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:38,160 None of it was done with consent, and none of it was done with the awareness of the people 884 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:43,160 that they were experimental guinea pigs in an advanced brainwashing experiment. 885 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:48,160 Another of camera's patients who endured months of mental torture was Linda McDonald. 886 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,160 I think they were about 80 of us. 887 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:55,160 We discovered that these 80 people were just ordinary everyday people. 888 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,160 It could have been you. It could have been me. It was me. 889 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:02,160 It could have been anybody who just walks through the doors of the elementary 890 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:07,160 or on the wrong day at the wrong time when Dr. Cameron needed another schizophrenic for his 891 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,160 fun little stuff upstairs. 892 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,160 Linda McDonald's started off as a pretty much normal person. 893 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:18,160 She basically came into the hospital as a mother with many young children 894 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:22,160 who was a little overwhelmed and depressed for just routine psychiatric treatment. 895 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:27,160 And three weeks after I was there, I was shipped up to the C.F. 896 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:31,160 And I came out of there vegetable five months later. 897 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:37,160 By the time someone was in the sleep room, the ability of that individual to remember 898 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:42,160 or describe what happened to them was very limited. 899 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:47,160 So the descriptions that there are are from nurses and from other people who worked at the facility 900 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:52,160 and their descriptions are to quote one like something I've got. 901 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,160 He's in front of. 902 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:59,160 Within the walls of this living hell, patients would be subjected to electro shock therapy 903 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:04,160 that when well beyond the professionally accepted guidelines before to eat treatments. 904 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:11,160 I received a total of 109 electrocumbulsive shock treatments. 905 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:21,160 In less than five weeks, I had 86 straight comatose days where I was completely out of it. 906 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:28,160 The purpose for all of this was to wipe my memory, to take a life, to wipe it completely clean. 907 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:33,160 So I would not have a memory ever. 908 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:40,160 When I came out of the treatment and they had decided that my memory was wipes efficiently, 909 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,160 I didn't know who I was. 910 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:44,160 I was a baby. 911 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:51,160 They had to toilet training and they had to teach me to walk and talk and feed myself. 912 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:57,160 She has absolutely zero direct memory of her life before age 25. 913 00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:02,160 Not doesn't take long to figure out why the CIA or other intelligence agencies would be interested in such research. 914 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,160 Well, if Camard can get it to work for a psychiatric patient, 915 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:13,160 well, then they can use the same thing to deprogram somebody and put them back together for brainwashing scenario. 916 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:21,160 It would not be until years later after an emotional divorce from her husband and the painful loss of custody of her children. 917 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:26,160 At Linda McDonald's, but learned of the hidden purpose behind the treatment she had received. 918 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:34,160 This big headline saying Dr. Cameron, CIA, brainwashing experiments, 919 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:39,160 and I stopped breathing for a minute. 920 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:43,160 You could have knocked me over. 921 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,160 I knew Dr. Cameron was my doctor. 922 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:54,160 I knew I had been at the Alam Memorial, but up until that moment I believed because that's what I was told that the doctor had fixed me. 923 00:30:54,160 --> 00:31:00,160 He had done to me great things and I was lucky that he had been my doctor. 924 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:08,160 So I couldn't not read the article and as I read it, I became, I was just horrified. 925 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:14,160 My participation in it was in terms of trying to evaluate the behavior that it was described. 926 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:23,160 I don't think I can add anything that hasn't already been frankly, 927 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,160 it's an area I don't like to talk about. 928 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,160 It's not that I don't like to talk about it. 929 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:35,160 Alan Memorial Institute in Montreal, one of Canada's most highly respected psychiatric hospitals. 930 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:40,160 In 1956, the director of psychiatry here was Dr. You and Cameron, 931 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:47,160 one of the countries most highly regarded psychiatrists, patients were referred to him by doctors from all over the world. 932 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:51,160 Dr. Cameron was doing research of his own in the field of brainwashing. 933 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:56,160 He was fascinated by the mind control he had heard described in countries behind the Iron Curtain. 934 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,160 The CIA was fascinated too. 935 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:04,160 The court case alleged that the CIA backed Dr. Cameron's horrific experiments, 936 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:13,160 experiments that were conducted on more than 70 patients, forcing them to endure three tormenting phases of so-called treatment. 937 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:21,160 First, according to the complaint, Dr. Cameron and others would give patients mind-altering drugs, like LSD and Angel Dust. 938 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,160 They would mask them and force them to inhale laughing gas. 939 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:31,160 They would give them high voltage electric shocks several times a day, effectively turning the patients into vegetables. 940 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:37,160 Once the patients were immobilized, Dr. Cameron would play what were called psychic driving tapes, 941 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:42,160 messages that were repeated up to half a million times. 942 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:47,160 Finally, Dr. Cameron would put the patients to sleep with massive amounts of barbiturates. 943 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:51,160 These sleep episodes could last 50 days or longer. 944 00:32:51,160 --> 00:33:00,160 It would mean a room outside the ward, in a very little room, and it would put three or four pillows at the end of the bed. 945 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:07,160 There were four doctors at the end of the bed there, and one doctor was putting me a master. 946 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:12,160 The doctors started from left to right there telling me, 947 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:19,160 I'm telling them, I'm telling them, I'm telling them, I'm telling them, I want to make me kill, I'll never know. 948 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:23,160 I'll never tell me, I don't know. 949 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:30,160 By the early 1970s, word of the CIA's mind controlled atrocities began to leak out to the public. 950 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:37,160 An investigation was launched resulting in the creation of one presidential commission and two Senate committees. 951 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:46,160 And my feeling now is that the CIA had overall powers that put them in a different situation than other people. 952 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,160 The American public was in shock. 953 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,160 I am a terrorist. 954 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:54,160 That decision is such that what happened could happen. 955 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,160 There are search for answers, however. 956 00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,160 But soon hit a dead end. 957 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:06,160 As investigators learned that Dr. Sydney Gottlieb had destroyed the majority of the documents relating to the MK Ultra program. 958 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:15,160 It was now impossible for the American public to discover the truth about what the CIA learned from its mind control research. 959 00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:24,160 Officially the agency's position would be that 30 years of aggressive experimentation had yielded few, if any, productive results. 960 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:29,160 Do you know what data today, Captain? 961 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,160 Yeah, what? 962 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:34,160 What the other way? 963 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,160 Wait a minute, that's all I want to eat. 964 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:40,160 Their hands-on diary does repeatedly refer to mind control. 965 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:47,160 You say that Sir Han was programmed, controlled, almost brainwashed, killed Robert Kennedy. 966 00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,160 It sounds like science fiction. 967 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:54,160 Better fact that sounds like you watched the men shooting in Kennedy movie one time too many. 968 00:34:54,160 --> 00:35:01,160 What people don't understand about the men shooting in Kennedy, theory, and the movie is that that movie was based on condens conversations as I understand it. 969 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:05,160 With people who were actually involved in CIA and mind control research. 970 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:09,160 The phone concedes that a hypno-programmed assassin is a possibility. 971 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:13,160 What evidence is or that Sir Han was in some sort of trance at the time of the murder? 972 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:18,160 I think the best evidence for Sir Han's hypno-programming comes from. 973 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:22,160 First of all, his behavior before during and after the crime. 974 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:30,160 This is a spacey demeanor and his kills afterwards, his blocking when sensation, when being interrogated. 975 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:36,160 There's the fact that he was the perfect hypnotic subject, and that was easily demonstrated by his doctors. 976 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:46,160 And then there is the bizarre fact that he genuinely could not recall the crime, how he got there, how the shooting unfolded. 977 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:53,160 So that the tracks of programming really seem to be there and Sir Han's behavior and memory loss. 978 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:59,160 Witnesses in the pantry at the Ambassador Hotel would seem to support Dr. Mellanson's conclusions. 979 00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:05,160 During the shooting itself Sir Han summoned extraordinary strength as he fought Roosevelt Greer and Rayford Johnson, 980 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:09,160 who were unable to pry the gun from his hand for almost 40 seconds. 981 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:13,160 Feets of unusual strength are often associated with hypno-programmed transit. 982 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,160 Yet despite the shooting and the struggle that followed, 983 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:21,160 on the Grish were taken aback by the content it looked on the gunman's face. 984 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:28,160 In the Manchurian candidate, Robert Assassin Raymond Shaw commits a murder without any memory of his deed. 985 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:32,160 As a cinematic plot device, this is perfectly acceptable. 986 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,160 But otherwise, it's a very bizarre notion. 987 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:40,160 Yet here, in the person of Sir Han, we have this unlikely circumstance. 988 00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:46,160 A perpetrator called Gun and Hand, who apparently genuinely cannot remember anything about the murder. 989 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:51,160 He never claimed that he didn't do it, he didn't say he shouldn't be punished. 990 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,160 He says only that he cannot remember. 991 00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:57,160 His memory of the evening stops as he is having coffee with a pretty girl, 992 00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:00,160 and begins again with people pounding on him after the shooting. 993 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:05,160 Listen to the plaintiff words of the defendant's mother, Mary Sir Han. 994 00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:09,160 I asked him, I said, son, will you tell me why did you do that? 995 00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:17,160 He's the judge began to stop me saying, Mama, I'm sorry, I don't remember anything. 996 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:21,160 I was told that I can't send the Robert Kennedy. 997 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:25,160 The defendant's inability to recall anything about the assassination, 998 00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:29,160 led to a most bizarre scene in Sir Han's jail cell before the trial. 999 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:32,160 As Dr. Seymour Pollux, like Kytrus for the prosecution, 1000 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:36,160 and Dr. Bernard Doneman, like Kytrus for the Defense, together, 1001 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:41,160 hypnotized Sir Han in an effort to get him to remember the crime. 1002 00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,160 Can you say I can't really come in? 1003 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:48,160 I want you to say sir, and you're back in the kitchen, I want you to see. 1004 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:55,160 Sir, we're doing fine. 1005 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:05,160 That's not a good view, we shall look at the car in the caravilly. 1006 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:06,160 It's coming. 1007 00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:09,160 We're feeling a gun, sir Han. 1008 00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,160 To my chance, sir Han. 1009 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,160 We're feeling a gun, where is your gun? 1010 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,160 Where is your gun? We're for it. 1011 00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:20,160 Reach for it, sir. Reach for your gun. 1012 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,160 Reach for your gun. 1013 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,160 Send. 1014 00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,160 To the caravals and shoot it. 1015 00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,160 Bring your shooting, sir. 1016 00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,160 Bring your shooting. 1017 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:38,160 And I do. 1018 00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,160 You're shooting Kennedy now, huh? 1019 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:44,160 Of course, one might wonder at what point a session like this 1020 00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:49,160 stops becoming a search for recollection, and instead becomes a memory implant. 1021 00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,160 Listen, Sir Han is being brought out of his trance. 1022 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:57,160 Sir Han, you let wants to remember that he's doing his Kennedy. 1023 00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:00,160 You want to remember, you're shooting. 1024 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:01,160 I should. 1025 00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,160 Now you'll remember, shoot. 1026 00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,160 You'll remember, taking it down. 1027 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:09,160 Pull him in, traitor. 1028 00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:10,160 And get him. 1029 00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:11,160 And again. 1030 00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:12,160 And again. 1031 00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:14,160 Go to the Metro office. 1032 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,160 Go to the Metro office. 1033 00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:17,160 All of this. 1034 00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,160 Go get the clearance. 1035 00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:22,160 There's a computer and a computer and a computer and a memory board. 1036 00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:25,160 So remember it all. 1037 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:31,160 But as a subsequent solo interview with Prosecucing Psychiatrist, Dr. Seymour Pollock reveals, 1038 00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:37,160 the forces against her hands remembering were so strong as to resist even this hypnotic suggestion. 1039 00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,160 In my opinion, sir Han, 1040 00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,160 I don't think he has any chance. 1041 00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:43,160 I really don't. 1042 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,160 I don't. 1043 00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:50,160 Because the jury listening will be negative, 1044 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:54,160 rather impossible to you if you don't remember. 1045 00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:57,160 Now, I say this, and I don't want you to fake. 1046 00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,160 I don't want you to make up anything. 1047 00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,160 You hit him the guy's name. 1048 00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:06,160 And whatever I say, that it knows it's wrong to the street showing whatever they have it in. 1049 00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,160 I would say it's wrong to us. 1050 00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,160 But in, I don't know. 1051 00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:13,160 I just think to the ground, sir. 1052 00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:14,160 When I have no other option. 1053 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:15,160 I think. 1054 00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:19,160 You think the ball is me, I say you say you don't remember any card or the coming soon you've written there. 1055 00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,160 Never single damn thing. 1056 00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:22,160 That obviously. 1057 00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:25,160 How could you calculate gun sound? 1058 00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:31,160 Your car back to the ambassador hotel, and not know that you haven't. 1059 00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:34,160 But you think it was in there. 1060 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,160 Go for it. 1061 00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:41,160 In his solo, J.L.L. interview with Sir Hands or Han, 1062 00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,160 prosecution psychiatrist, Dr. Seymour Pollack, 1063 00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,160 seems genuinely disturbed by Sir Hands lack of memory. 1064 00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:52,160 But, as we shall hear, that fact doesn't prevent him from coaching the prisoner 1065 00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,160 on what his motive might have been. 1066 00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,160 Sir Han, however, remains confused. 1067 00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:00,160 Maybe I am crazy, he says. 1068 00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,160 I don't know what to tell you. 1069 00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,160 I just can't explain it. 1070 00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:08,160 Pollack then reminds him that other people were wounded and Sir Han, 1071 00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:11,160 hardly sounding like a murdering fanatic response. 1072 00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:14,160 What did they do to me that they had to be hurt? 1073 00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,160 That's the picture I've gotten from you. 1074 00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:19,160 The feelings about you, this intense, 1075 00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:25,160 our nationalist who feels the American political figures, 1076 00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:28,160 letting the Arab world down. 1077 00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:35,160 The words for trial is a trial, and which you are so accusing American. 1078 00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:42,160 Oh, burying the million million Arab sinfacts. 1079 00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:47,160 The entire United States, and this is so, 1080 00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:51,160 that you really don't learn to see the Arab suffering 1081 00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:56,160 and see the American policy and the sense of that suffering. 1082 00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,160 I don't know. 1083 00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:04,160 Why are you saying that tree number all of this? Why aren't you in number? 1084 00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:07,160 Maybe you think I am crazy. 1085 00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,160 I think I am. 1086 00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:12,160 Maybe I don't know. 1087 00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,160 And I don't know what to say. 1088 00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:15,160 I don't know what to say. 1089 00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:20,160 But really, I can't explain. 1090 00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:23,160 You don't know where other people are shot to. 1091 00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:27,160 What did they do to me? 1092 00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:30,160 They said they had to be hurt. 1093 00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:34,160 I think that you were a human. 1094 00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,160 You had this. 1095 00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,160 You defined right. 1096 00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,160 Thank you. 1097 00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,160 Thank you. 1098 00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:45,160 That time can't be really the biggest bastard. 1099 00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:47,160 That really is the biggest sound of a bitch. 1100 00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:51,160 Pollockiers seem not to understand that he's asked a key question. 1101 00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:57,160 If Sir Han murdered Robert Kennedy to make a political gesture on behalf of the dispossessed Palestinian Arabs, 1102 00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:00,160 why doesn't he remember? 1103 00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,160 And why such remorse? 1104 00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:06,160 My own conscience doesn't agree with what I did Sir Han says, sadly, 1105 00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:09,160 in what way Pollockiers taken aback. 1106 00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:12,160 Is against my upbringing, Sir Han. 1107 00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:18,160 My childhood, family, church, prayers, the Bible and all this sir. 1108 00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,160 Sir Han, as many people don't know, was a Christian. 1109 00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,160 Now returning to the quote. 1110 00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:26,160 And here I go and splatter this guy's brain. 1111 00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,160 It's just not me. 1112 00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,160 It's just not me. 1113 00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:33,160 What are the questions that the policeman is going to do? 1114 00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,160 We're on the conscience of the Hindu culture. 1115 00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:36,160 And what way? 1116 00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:37,160 This is against my upbringing. 1117 00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,160 My very nature, sir. 1118 00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:40,160 It's... 1119 00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:44,160 You're my child. 1120 00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,160 You know, my family, church, 1121 00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,160 is great, the Bible is full of history. 1122 00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,160 There's no such material. 1123 00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:55,160 And you're on the wood, the stars, the sun, and the sun. 1124 00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,160 He's just not me. 1125 00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:04,160 If we accept for the moment the possibility that Sir Han's sir Han was remote control of Sassan, 1126 00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:08,160 the question in a rises as the who could have programmed him. 1127 00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:13,160 Suspicion has fallen in recent years on a small group of west co-structures, 1128 00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:17,160 who are active in secret CIA, Mind Control Experiment. 1129 00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:21,160 The most flamboyant of these was the late Dr. William Bryan. 1130 00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:24,160 Again, Dr. Philip Mellanson. 1131 00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:28,160 William Bryan was by his own admission. 1132 00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:34,160 One of the primary researchers for the government in brainwashing in hypno programming in a variety of things. 1133 00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:38,160 He was an out of control, super hypno character, 1134 00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:41,160 who exploited women through his hypnosis practice, 1135 00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,160 and was temporarily disbarred as a result. 1136 00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:47,160 He bragged about his work for the government study, 1137 00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:52,160 was the Zarr of Brainwashing, and he was also involved with the man I call a reasoner. 1138 00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:57,160 And with another man, all of whom work together in southern and northern California, 1139 00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:04,160 all of whom work for the government, and my belief is that two of them have not three of them had something to do with Sir Han's programming. 1140 00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:08,160 William Bryan was a rather large man weighing 386 pounds. 1141 00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:13,160 He has been very slowly referred to as the most brilliant man in the field of hypnotism, 1142 00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:16,160 and as a, quote, misguided genius. 1143 00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:23,160 His private practice involves sex therapy, and by his own admission, he frequently had sex with his female patients. 1144 00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:28,160 Did William Bryan believe that a subject could be programmed to perform acts that were out of character? 1145 00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,160 Let's listen. 1146 00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:42,160 You have to have the personal act up physically, and there is also the use of long-term hypnotic suggestion probably for whatever. 1147 00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:46,160 So, under these situations where you have all this going for you, 1148 00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:49,160 yes, you can bring more to person to do just about anything. 1149 00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:54,160 Did William Bryan have anything at all to do with Robert Kennedy's Secuse Killer? 1150 00:45:54,160 --> 00:46:04,160 William the year before his death in 1976, Bryan reportedly bragged to two prostitutes who service him regularly that he had, in fact, hypnotized Sir Han. 1151 00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:12,160 Bryan also liked to brag about his most crowning achievement, the deprogramming of Albert de Salvo, the Boston Strangler. 1152 00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:19,160 In Sir Han's notebook, that strange document with page after page of almost indescifriable transcendu's scribbling, 1153 00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:21,160 there appears the entry. 1154 00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:24,160 God help me, please help me. 1155 00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:28,160 Salvo, Didee Salvo, Dias Salvo. 1156 00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:37,160 It's a curious notation to be sure, but is it possible that while working upon Sir Han, the programmer couldn't help talking about his favorite subject? 1157 00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:45,160 And that this entry, by way of the captured mind of Sir Han's Sir Han, is really the pomprent of Dr. William Bryan? 1158 00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:52,160 If we take Sir Han's words, it's just not me at face value, then who was it? 1159 00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:55,160 What bad dream be fell this young man? 1160 00:46:55,160 --> 00:47:05,160 My handwriting, my thoughts, but I don't remember them. 1161 00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:08,160 They're the writings of a man, yet. 1162 00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:12,160 Then the writings of Nina. 1163 00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:26,160 In the spring of 1992, a petition was brought before the Los Angeles County Grand Jury, requesting the appointment of a special prosecutor to investigate the Los Angeles Police Department for Wilful and Corrupt Miss Conduct, 1164 00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:29,160 in its investigation of the murder of Robert Kennedy. 1165 00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:40,160 This request was signed by over 50 notable, including Arthur Schlesinger Jr. Frank Mankewitz, Norman Mailer, Sam Dash, Saiser Shavez, and Oliver Stone. 1166 00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:50,160 It was accompanied by 800 pages of exhibits documenting the LAPD's destruction of evidence, falsification of evidence, and coercion of witnesses. 1167 00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:55,160 With a this request, will ever be adequately acted upon as uncertain. 1168 00:47:55,160 --> 00:48:03,160 It is, though, a new certainty that those who conspired to murder Robert Kennedy will never be apprehended or brought to justice. 1169 00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:11,160 On the other hand, historians are centering from now, will not have to examine these events through the filter of political expedience. 1170 00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:17,160 They will see a conspiratorial mosaic in complete but unmistakable. 1171 00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:31,160 I think it's possible to brainwash manipulates coerc people to do just about anything, and we see this demonstrated in military training, or in the kind of conditioning that people go through when they get involved in cults. 1172 00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:39,160 And they do things that are certainly way outside of the normal parameters of what they would consider moral. 1173 00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:46,160 No one was as more evident than in the small South American country of Vienna in the winter of 1978. 1174 00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:50,160 The place was called Jones Town. 1175 00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:59,160 On the surface it appeared to be a gathering of ethnically diverse families assembled by the Reverend Jim Jones to live their dream of a racially harmonious society. 1176 00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:03,160 This reporter spoke to many Jones Town people. 1177 00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:07,160 They all insisted that it was a peaceful and productive place in which to live. 1178 00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:08,160 Are you happy to? 1179 00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:12,160 Oh, Rossi, say I am. I know if it any happier my life. 1180 00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:22,160 Despite the outward appearance of normality, reports of sexual abuse, torture, and members being held against their will, filtered back to the United States. 1181 00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:27,160 San Francisco congressman Leo Ryan flew to Guyana to investigate the allegations. 1182 00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:35,160 Very glad to be here. This is a congressional inquiry. I think that all you know that I am here to find out more about questions that would arise about your operation. 1183 00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:46,160 You might continue right now to the two conversations on hand was done to folks here already in the evening that whatever the comments are, there are some people here who believe this is the best thing you've ever had on their whole life. 1184 00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:07,160 They have entered the following day with shock the world. 1185 00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:37,160 The world is a world that is a world that is a world that is a world that is a world that is a world that is a world that is a world that is a world that is a world that is a world that is a world that is a world that is a world that is a world that is a world that is a world that is a world that is a world that is a world that is a world that is a world that is a world that is a world that is a world that is a world that is a world that is a world that is a world that is a world 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is a world that is a world that is a world that is a world that is a world that is a world that is a world that is a world that is a world that is a world that is a world that is a 1201 00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:26,160 and Jim would make these announcements and he'd say I'm sending out some children and some of my AIDS and other people who they are to pretend they want to leave and it's a test, it's a loyalty test and if anyone comes to you, you get to report them. 1202 00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:40,160 You didn't know who it would be, so you just never put the place down and how much you enjoyed it there, how much love the place and how great he was and how father was so nice and you had to call him father. 1203 00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:46,160 You just never said anything bad about the place because if you did, you would be coming up there that night. 1204 00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:50,160 They also told of full-scale rehearsals for mess suicide in the jungle. 1205 00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:55,160 I'll talk to you psychiatrist, whatever, I believe I was brainwashed. 1206 00:58:55,160 --> 00:59:15,160 But we do understand that it's extremely difficult for anyone to comprehend people being in a cold group standing by watching their daughter being beat 75 times as I did watching children being beat microphones help to their mouth while they're screaming so that 1207 00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:21,160 everyone throughout the building that are not in a public meeting can hear them scream also. 1208 00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:33,160 Going through a like-feet shark treatment where they're screaming, it's incredibly difficult for anyone to believe a story like this. 1209 00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:38,160 There are swat teams consisting of 50 young men and women dressed in khaki. 1210 00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:49,160 There's two teams of 25 each day armed that are armed with a 200 to 300 guns and that they patrol all day and all night the whole encampment. 1211 00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:55,160 And that Jim Jones has stated publicly that nobody better tried to escape from here because you will be shot. 1212 00:59:55,160 --> 01:00:00:02,160 The methods that Jim Jones used in his cult of people's temple are definitely classical, mind-controlled techniques. 1213 01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:08,160 According to a book by Michael Myers, which is called was Jones Town, a CIA medical experiment. 1214 01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:13,160 His documentation leads him to conclude that actually Jones Town was run by the CIA. 1215 01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:22,160 Prior to being Jones Town in the deep jungles of British Giana, that site was actually under control of what was called the Shalom Project. 1216 01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:27,160 This was a CIA program for training black mercenaries for warfare and angola. 1217 01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:38,160 Going through a false mass suicide, I went through one talk and I went through one where he actually took a drink and we were told we had an hour to live so that Jones could find out how people would react psychologically. 1218 01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:45,160 Turning Jones Town's children against his own enemies was standard practice for Jim Jones and it delighted him. 1219 01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:50,160 I like to feel a great stone into stone, I'll go back and do it right now. 1220 01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:54,160 I think that I should take a knife and cut Mr. Chapparala for good. 1221 01:00:54,160 --> 01:01:00,160 And I'm proposing him in, but all my relatives over there have an enum in and out that. 1222 01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:10,160 It was terror. It was living terror, living inside Jones Town. 1223 01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:19,160 Deborah Layton had escaped Jones Town a few months earlier with bizarre tales of mine control, armed guards and suicide rehearsals. 1224 01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:22,160 They are recounted in her new book, seductive poison. 1225 01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:39,160 The suicide drills were the most frightening and disturbing things there that we would be awakened from the middle of a drinkless sleep to Jim's voice screaming over the loudspeaker that we were going to die that we had to come to the pavilion that mercenaries were coming into kill us. 1226 01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:46,160 She put her concerns in a sworn affidavit to the U.S. State Department months before Congressman Ryan's trip. 1227 01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:53,160 Congressman Ryan and the journalist arrived in Guyana on Tuesday, November 14, 1978. 1228 01:01:53,160 --> 01:02:00,160 Well, he was such a kind man, so compassionate, didn't get excited about nothing. 1229 01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:07,160 I wasn't your case, and I'd be fine just to hate these, and that's just the way you was. 1230 01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:18,160 For some time, Ryan had been a thorn in the side of the CIA. He had recently pushed through congressional legislation that curtailed the agency's covert foreign activities. 1231 01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:26,160 His Ryan prepared for a first-hand look at Jones Town. He was joined by a state department agent Richard Dwyer, when he didn't know. 1232 01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:29,160 Was the Dwyer was working undercover. 1233 01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:36,160 The man named Dwyer was ahead of the CIA. 1234 01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:41,160 I mean, the CIA had a presence here. It was an unrevealed presence at the time. 1235 01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:51,160 I had a premonition about the trip. There was something that just made me feel a great deal of uncertainty. 1236 01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:57,160 In 1978, Jackie Spear was the legal aid to San Francisco Area Congressman Leo Ryan. 1237 01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:07,160 They were about to embark on a fact-finding trip to look into reports of abuse and brainwashing at the remote jungle compound known as Jones Town. 1238 01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:13,160 I always kind of shake my head and just believe when they were free. It is a suicide. 1239 01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:23,160 Those people were not in control of their mind. They had been brainwashed. 1240 01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:31,160 The next day, 20 temple members decided they wanted to leave. In haze of drugs, Jones World began to fall apart. 1241 01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:37,160 Jones reacted angrily when shown a note from a cult member asking the party for help to get away. 1242 01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:40,160 Someone came and passed me this note. 1243 01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:46,160 Well, I'd see what you're talking about. You'll see what we're saying. 1244 01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:49,160 Jones Town's a Shabbat place where he's one of the biggest sun here. 1245 01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:53,160 He's the one that I'm just talking about. 1246 01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:57,160 Yeah, this is the man I want to leave with Sun here. 1247 01:03:57,160 --> 01:04:03,160 People are like games, friends. They lie. The lie. What can I do about lies? 1248 01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:07,160 Are you people going to leave us? I just beg you. Please leave us. 1249 01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:11,160 Bill, we will bother nobody. Anybody wants to get out of here. 1250 01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:15,160 We have no problem by getting out of here. They come and go all the time. 1251 01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:19,160 I don't want kind of games. People like people like publicity. 1252 01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:21,160 Some people do. I don't. 1253 01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:24,160 But he said goodbye apparently calmly. 1254 01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:27,160 The new whispered to one of his left tenets. 1255 01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:35,160 As the party reached the airport, a man with a knife tried to stab right. 1256 01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:38,160 The congressman described the attack. 1257 01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:43,160 Yeah, he said something about robbing, shooting, and I don't know. 1258 01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:47,160 But the object, what he said was the intent of the film. 1259 01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:51,160 The party had now been joined by about 30 cult members who wanted to get away. 1260 01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:55,160 And the enlarged party walked out towards the aircraft. 1261 01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:06,160 Congressmen Ryan went over to shake the pilot's hand. 1262 01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:13,160 As the party waited, a tractor and trailer appeared in the background. 1263 01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:19,160 It in men opened fire. 1264 01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:24,160 Congressman Ryan, two reporters and an NBC cameraman were killed. 1265 01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:27,160 Several other journalists and defectors were injured. 1266 01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:34,160 One man who was not executed at the air strip was Richard Dwyer. 1267 01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:39,160 The undercover CIA man from the American embassy seen here peeling off from Ryan's 1268 01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:42,160 party seconds before the tractor arrives. 1269 01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:47,160 Where Dwyer was in the next few hours he's key to one of the mysteries that still lies 1270 01:05:47,160 --> 01:05:50,160 at the heart of the Jones town tragedy. 1271 01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:54,160 Having dealt with Congressman Ryan, Jones now turned his insanity on the temple's 1272 01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:56,160 faithful. 1273 01:05:56,160 --> 01:06:00,160 At this point in time, Jones town had become surreal. 1274 01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:03,160 Almost everything that was going on seemed surreal to me. 1275 01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:08,160 I mean by this time, I pretty much figured out this guy was mad, 1276 01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:13,160 but he said I've never seen or felt Jones town so peaceful. 1277 01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:17,160 Or quiet, and I remember getting a chill just, 1278 01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:21,160 of course, through my body because Jones town had never been in more agony and never been so 1279 01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:23,160 less together. 1280 01:06:23,160 --> 01:06:29,160 From his seat in the pavilion, Jones recorded the last desperate hour of the people's temple. 1281 01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:33,160 In front of him, more than 900 of his followers, 1282 01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:37,160 the were surrounded by guards holding rifles and crossbows. 1283 01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:40,160 For all but a few, there was no escape. 1284 01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:45,160 Subsequent medical examinations revealed that many of the dead had been murdered. 1285 01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:49,160 Helledown and injected with cyanide. 1286 01:06:51,160 --> 01:06:54,160 Jones himself was one of the last to die. 1287 01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:57,160 A single gunshot to the hip sub-time around midnight. 1288 01:06:58,160 --> 01:07:01,160 His killer has never been none. 1289 01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:06,160 At 330 of the morning, when everyone was dead and several hours before anyone arrived, 1290 01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:10,160 a radio message was sent from Jones town, using the Secret CIA channel, 1291 01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:14,160 reporting what it described is a mess suicide. 1292 01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:18,160 This was the message that shaped our view of Jones town for years to come, 1293 01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:23,160 even though the best medical evidence suggests that most of those who died had been murdered. 1294 01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:27,160 The question then becomes who sent that message. 1295 01:07:27,160 --> 01:07:29,160 The only functioning radio in the area, 1296 01:07:29,160 --> 01:07:32,160 belonged to the local American intelligence officer Richard Dwyer. 1297 01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:36,160 Though he always denied going back to Jones down that night, 1298 01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:39,160 the last tape tells a very different story. 1299 01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:58,160 The more the 900 Americans had died, 1300 01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:04,160 Richard Dwyer and other US embassy officials would later receive medals and promotions. 1301 01:08:07,160 --> 01:08:12,160 A multimillion dollar lawsuit was subsequently filed by Congressman Ryan's daughter 1302 01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:15,160 and the relatives of those who died. 1303 01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:17,160 The suit described the deaths as a massacre, 1304 01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:22,160 and alleged that Jones was an agent or operative of the Central Intelligence Agency. 1305 01:08:23,160 --> 01:08:27,160 It was dismissed on a technical day and never tried. 1306 01:08:30,160 --> 01:08:33,160 Here's more from Bob Jimenez in Diana. 1307 01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:56,160 The first captain John Muskatell, he talked to reported. 1308 01:08:56,160 --> 01:09:00,160 The original count of persons found dead at the Jones town site 1309 01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:03,160 has been found to be seriously in her. 1310 01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:11,160 But now appears there may be as many as 780 bodies total found at the site. 1311 01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:16,160 They were found simply buried under other bodies. 1312 01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:18,160 There were larger adults, 1313 01:09:18,160 --> 01:09:26,160 they were grouped together, and under their bodies were found the bodies of smaller adults and children. 1314 01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:30,160 But the medical team were not the only people in Jones town that day. 1315 01:09:30,160 --> 01:09:35,160 During the immediate aftermath, Jeff Brilly was approached by a man in civilian clothes 1316 01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:38,160 who asked him to guard a large box of documents. 1317 01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:41,160 And he said, I'm from the US embassy. 1318 01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:44,160 If anybody tries to take this box away from me, shoot them. 1319 01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:47,160 And I said, you've got to be out of your mind. 1320 01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:48,160 I'm not going to shoot anybody. 1321 01:09:48,160 --> 01:09:53,160 And he told me that the box was full of sensitive documents, and he needed to get those to the US embassy. 1322 01:09:53,160 --> 01:09:55,160 I think you probably was CIA. 1323 01:09:55,160 --> 01:09:58,160 The documents then disappeared into the CIA, 1324 01:09:58,160 --> 01:10:02,160 and their contents remain secret to this day. 1325 01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:07,160 20 years later, the CIA continues to deny any interest in the people's temple. 1326 01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:11,160 They claim that their own file on Jones is empty. 1327 01:10:11,160 --> 01:10:17,160 But new evidence reveals startling connections between Jones and members of the US intelligence community. 1328 01:10:17,160 --> 01:10:23,160 It began with a visit to Guyana by Congressman Leo Ryan, some of his staff and members of the press. 1329 01:10:23,160 --> 01:10:29,160 He was later killed, along with four other Americans, including Don Harris and Robert Brown, of NBC News. 1330 01:10:29,160 --> 01:10:36,160 After the killings, the Guyanaes authorities impounded the first tapes and notes made by the NBC crew. 1331 01:10:41,160 --> 01:10:46,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1332 01:10:46,160 --> 01:10:49,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1333 01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:51,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1334 01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:54,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1335 01:10:54,160 --> 01:10:56,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1336 01:10:56,160 --> 01:10:59,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1337 01:10:59,160 --> 01:11:02,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1338 01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:04,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1339 01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:07,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1340 01:11:07,160 --> 01:11:09,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1341 01:11:10,160 --> 01:11:15,160 I appeared in Washington in February before the International Relations Committee. 1342 01:11:15,160 --> 01:11:21,160 And made some statements and some charges in documentation which resulted in the four organizations 1343 01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:25,160 to form a fairs committee or international relations committee which were the call it. 1344 01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:31,160 Today they voted to ask the House of the Committee Intelligence to investigate my charges. 1345 01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:36,160 And they were currently investigating those charges by the House of the Committee on Intelligence. 1346 01:11:36,160 --> 01:11:38,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1347 01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:40,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1348 01:11:40,160 --> 01:11:42,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1349 01:11:42,160 --> 01:11:44,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1350 01:11:44,160 --> 01:11:46,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1351 01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:48,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1352 01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:50,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1353 01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:52,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1354 01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:54,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1355 01:11:54,160 --> 01:11:56,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1356 01:11:56,160 --> 01:11:58,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1357 01:11:58,160 --> 01:12:00,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1358 01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:02,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1359 01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:04,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1360 01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:06,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1361 01:12:06,160 --> 01:12:08,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1362 01:12:08,160 --> 01:12:10,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1363 01:12:10,160 --> 01:12:12,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1364 01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:14,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1365 01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:16,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1366 01:12:16,160 --> 01:12:18,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1367 01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:20,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1368 01:12:20,160 --> 01:12:22,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1369 01:12:22,160 --> 01:12:24,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1370 01:12:24,160 --> 01:12:26,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1371 01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:28,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1372 01:12:28,160 --> 01:12:30,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1373 01:12:30,160 --> 01:12:32,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1374 01:12:32,160 --> 01:12:34,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1375 01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:36,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1376 01:12:36,160 --> 01:12:38,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1377 01:12:38,160 --> 01:12:40,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1378 01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:42,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1379 01:12:42,160 --> 01:12:44,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1380 01:12:44,160 --> 01:12:46,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1381 01:12:46,160 --> 01:12:48,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1382 01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:50,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1383 01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:52,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1384 01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:54,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1385 01:12:54,160 --> 01:12:56,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1386 01:12:56,160 --> 01:12:58,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1387 01:12:58,160 --> 01:13:00,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1388 01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:02,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1389 01:13:02,160 --> 01:13:04,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1390 01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:06,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1391 01:13:06,160 --> 01:13:08,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1392 01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:10,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1393 01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:12,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1394 01:13:12,160 --> 01:13:14,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1395 01:13:14,160 --> 01:13:16,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1396 01:13:16,160 --> 01:13:18,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1397 01:13:18,160 --> 01:13:20,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1398 01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:22,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1399 01:13:22,160 --> 01:13:24,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1400 01:13:24,160 --> 01:13:26,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1401 01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:28,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1402 01:13:28,160 --> 01:13:30,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1403 01:13:30,160 --> 01:13:32,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1404 01:13:32,160 --> 01:13:34,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1405 01:13:34,160 --> 01:13:36,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1406 01:13:36,160 --> 01:13:38,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1407 01:13:38,160 --> 01:13:40,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1408 01:13:40,160 --> 01:13:42,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1409 01:13:42,160 --> 01:13:44,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1410 01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:46,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1411 01:13:46,160 --> 01:13:48,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1412 01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:50,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1413 01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:52,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1414 01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:54,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1415 01:13:54,160 --> 01:13:56,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1416 01:13:56,160 --> 01:13:58,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1417 01:13:58,160 --> 01:14:00,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1418 01:14:00,160 --> 01:14:02,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1419 01:14:02,160 --> 01:14:04,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1420 01:14:04,160 --> 01:14:06,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1421 01:14:06,160 --> 01:14:08,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1422 01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:10,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1423 01:14:10,160 --> 01:14:12,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1424 01:14:12,160 --> 01:14:14,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1425 01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:16,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1426 01:14:16,160 --> 01:14:18,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1427 01:14:18,160 --> 01:14:20,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1428 01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:22,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1429 01:14:22,160 --> 01:14:24,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1430 01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:26,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1431 01:14:26,160 --> 01:14:28,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1432 01:14:28,160 --> 01:14:30,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1433 01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:32,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1434 01:14:32,160 --> 01:14:34,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1435 01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:36,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1436 01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:38,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1437 01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:40,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1438 01:14:40,160 --> 01:14:42,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1439 01:14:42,160 --> 01:14:44,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1440 01:14:44,160 --> 01:14:46,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1441 01:14:46,160 --> 01:14:48,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1442 01:14:48,160 --> 01:14:50,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1443 01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:52,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1444 01:14:52,160 --> 01:14:54,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1445 01:14:54,160 --> 01:14:56,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1446 01:14:56,160 --> 01:14:58,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1447 01:14:58,160 --> 01:15:00,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1448 01:15:00,160 --> 01:15:02,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1449 01:15:02,160 --> 01:15:04,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1450 01:15:04,160 --> 01:15:06,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1451 01:15:06,160 --> 01:15:08,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1452 01:15:08,160 --> 01:15:10,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1453 01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:12,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1454 01:15:12,160 --> 01:15:14,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1455 01:15:14,160 --> 01:15:16,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1456 01:15:16,160 --> 01:15:18,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1457 01:15:18,160 --> 01:15:20,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1458 01:15:20,160 --> 01:15:22,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1459 01:15:22,160 --> 01:15:24,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1460 01:15:24,160 --> 01:15:26,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1461 01:15:26,160 --> 01:15:28,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1462 01:15:28,160 --> 01:15:30,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1463 01:15:30,160 --> 01:15:32,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1464 01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:34,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1465 01:15:34,160 --> 01:15:36,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1466 01:15:36,160 --> 01:15:38,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1467 01:15:38,160 --> 01:15:40,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1468 01:15:40,160 --> 01:15:42,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1469 01:15:42,160 --> 01:15:44,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1470 01:15:44,160 --> 01:15:46,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1471 01:15:46,160 --> 01:15:48,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1472 01:15:48,160 --> 01:15:50,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1473 01:15:50,160 --> 01:15:52,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1474 01:15:52,160 --> 01:15:54,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1475 01:15:54,160 --> 01:15:56,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1476 01:15:56,160 --> 01:15:58,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1477 01:15:58,160 --> 01:16:00,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1478 01:16:00,160 --> 01:16:02,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1479 01:16:02,160 --> 01:16:04,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1480 01:16:04,160 --> 01:16:06,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1481 01:16:06,160 --> 01:16:08,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1482 01:16:08,160 --> 01:16:10,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1483 01:16:10,160 --> 01:16:12,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1484 01:16:12,160 --> 01:16:14,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1485 01:16:14,160 --> 01:16:16,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1486 01:16:16,160 --> 01:16:20,160 The Guyanaes was a large group of dissolution or rather of disoriented black people. 1487 01:16:20,160 --> 01:16:24,160 The Guyanaes went down to Guyanaes and turned her back to this country. 1488 01:16:24,160 --> 01:16:26,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1489 01:16:26,160 --> 01:16:28,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1490 01:16:28,160 --> 01:16:30,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1491 01:16:30,160 --> 01:16:32,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1492 01:16:32,160 --> 01:16:34,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1493 01:16:34,160 --> 01:16:36,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1494 01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:38,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1495 01:16:38,160 --> 01:16:40,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1496 01:16:40,160 --> 01:16:42,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1497 01:16:42,160 --> 01:16:44,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1498 01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:46,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1499 01:16:46,160 --> 01:16:48,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1500 01:16:48,160 --> 01:16:50,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1501 01:16:50,160 --> 01:16:52,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1502 01:16:52,160 --> 01:16:54,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1503 01:16:54,160 --> 01:16:56,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1504 01:16:56,160 --> 01:16:58,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1505 01:16:58,160 --> 01:17:00,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1506 01:17:00,160 --> 01:17:02,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1507 01:17:02,160 --> 01:17:04,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1508 01:17:04,160 --> 01:17:06,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1509 01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:08,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1510 01:17:08,160 --> 01:17:10,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1511 01:17:10,160 --> 01:17:12,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1512 01:17:12,160 --> 01:17:14,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1513 01:17:14,160 --> 01:17:16,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1514 01:17:16,160 --> 01:17:18,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1515 01:17:18,160 --> 01:17:20,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1516 01:17:20,160 --> 01:17:22,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1517 01:17:22,160 --> 01:17:24,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1518 01:17:24,160 --> 01:17:26,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1519 01:17:26,160 --> 01:17:28,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1520 01:17:28,160 --> 01:17:30,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1521 01:17:30,160 --> 01:17:32,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1522 01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:34,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1523 01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:36,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1524 01:17:36,160 --> 01:17:38,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1525 01:17:38,160 --> 01:17:40,160 The Guyanaes was a very serious person. 1526 01:17:40,160 --> 01:17:42,160 I think it relates to overtones with all things. 1527 01:17:42,160 --> 01:17:44,160 What kind of racist overtones? 1528 01:17:44,160 --> 01:17:46,160 What are you exactly? 1529 01:17:46,160 --> 01:17:48,160 The guy that the media picture was printed. 1530 01:17:48,160 --> 01:17:50,160 It was painted rather. 1531 01:17:50,160 --> 01:17:52,160 Then brought out him out in front. 1532 01:17:52,160 --> 01:17:56,160 The Guyanaes was not like us. 1533 01:17:56,160 --> 01:17:58,160 It's my impression this time. 1534 01:17:58,160 --> 01:18:02,160 They work in some sort of mine control experiments. 1535 01:18:02,160 --> 01:18:04,160 For example, they had a very modern hospital. 1536 01:18:04,160 --> 01:18:06,160 They bragged about it. 1537 01:18:06,160 --> 01:18:08,160 They had a very modern hospital. 1538 01:18:08,160 --> 01:18:10,160 They bragged about it. 1539 01:18:10,160 --> 01:18:12,160 So modern. 1540 01:18:12,160 --> 01:18:16,160 That net population, they had medical checkups for everyone every day. 1541 01:18:16,160 --> 01:18:18,160 There's no need for that. 1542 01:18:18,160 --> 01:18:20,160 And that's your conducting experiments where you have control groups. 1543 01:18:20,160 --> 01:18:24,160 So you're giving people that they gave them their, they're giving their vitamins every day. 1544 01:18:24,160 --> 01:18:30,160 And it's my guess that they were just using them as guinea pigs to see what they could do under isolated circumstances. 1545 01:18:30,160 --> 01:18:34,160 They take them off and do a jungle someplace far away from everybody. 1546 01:18:34,160 --> 01:18:36,160 They get them there somehow. 1547 01:18:36,160 --> 01:18:40,160 They're able to see how these various drugs work under free food. 1548 01:18:40,160 --> 01:18:42,160 Good deal. 1549 01:18:42,160 --> 01:18:46,160 The details, the murderers and Guillaume exactly how they were killed. 1550 01:18:46,160 --> 01:18:48,160 Please. 1551 01:18:48,160 --> 01:18:54,160 Dr. Moutou, the pathologist at the site in Jones Town, said that 70 to 80% of the bodies had a fresh needle mark 1552 01:18:54,160 --> 01:18:58,160 and the back of the left shoulder blade at a point they could not have reached themselves. 1553 01:18:58,160 --> 01:19:02,160 And the body showed evidence of having been forced to take the shots. 1554 01:19:02,160 --> 01:19:12,160 And the official corners verdict from Matthew's ridge by the guinea's judge and jury that looked into the situation 1555 01:19:12,160 --> 01:19:16,160 was that all the people had been murdered, did not want to have been a suicide. 1556 01:19:16,160 --> 01:19:20,160 Moutou found evidence of gunshot wounds and strangulation in many of the other bodies. 1557 01:19:20,160 --> 01:19:25,160 I studied about 150 pictures in which I could see gunshot wounds. 1558 01:19:25,160 --> 01:19:30,160 There's no way that Sinite pathology explains the condition of those bodies all face down. 1559 01:19:30,160 --> 01:19:38,160 You could see drag marks and the body count went up because the area was surrounded by 350 guinea's troops 1560 01:19:38,160 --> 01:19:46,160 about 200 British black watch troops, which are equivalent to their green beret on maneuvers at Matthew's ridge in those days. 1561 01:19:46,160 --> 01:19:53,160 And American green berets that came in with the body cleanup teams that spent the period of the five days murdering people running them up in the jungle. 1562 01:19:53,160 --> 01:19:58,160 The original reports were all 408 dead and then 700 flee into the woods. 1563 01:19:58,160 --> 01:20:02,160 And the millimilitary said first the guinea's can't count. 1564 01:20:02,160 --> 01:20:11,160 Second that it was bodies on top of bodies, though how you start with 408 and end up with 915 and say that the 400 covered the 500 makes no sense. 1565 01:20:11,160 --> 01:20:13,160 They said bodies in little piles. 1566 01:20:13,160 --> 01:20:20,160 They even said at the end after they'd been there for six days that they forgot to go around to the back of the pavilion and they were 500 bodies back there. 1567 01:20:20,160 --> 01:20:24,160 And this was the final official explanation about these people were being killed. 1568 01:20:24,160 --> 01:20:26,160 Yes, small in this room. 1569 01:20:27,160 --> 01:20:33,160 Jokey from Detroit was a survivor of Jones town. The guy said he yearned under the Odea Road. 1570 01:20:33,160 --> 01:20:37,160 He said what happened to him was he got? 1571 01:20:37,160 --> 01:20:41,160 I don't know where all the survivors are. 1572 01:20:41,160 --> 01:20:46,160 Many of them survived because they cooperated with the plan and were meant to survive. 1573 01:20:46,160 --> 01:20:51,160 That's the case with the bad basketball team and other people. 1574 01:20:51,160 --> 01:20:53,160 They were awesome. 1575 01:20:54,160 --> 01:20:57,160 They eventually got the Georgetown eventually came back to the United States. 1576 01:20:57,160 --> 01:20:59,160 Some of them were out on a ship. 1577 01:20:59,160 --> 01:21:05,160 The ones that were on the boat with Blakey went to Trinidad. 1578 01:21:05,160 --> 01:21:10,160 Then they went to Panama on empty to $5 million bank account in credit sweets. 1579 01:21:10,160 --> 01:21:12,160 And then they went to Grenada. 1580 01:21:12,160 --> 01:21:15,160 They said up shopping, Grenada, I believe in the mental hospital there. 1581 01:21:15,160 --> 01:21:22,160 With Dr. Boren and his father worked in primary research with MK Ultra and Boren set up all the method on programs the United States for the Rockefellers. 1582 01:21:22,160 --> 01:21:28,160 And I think they were experimenting on the mental patients because that's the only building bomb in the invasion of Grenada. 1583 01:21:28,160 --> 01:21:34,160 And there's 180 people in the inmates in the psychiatric institution murdered, dumped into a mass grave. 1584 01:21:34,160 --> 01:21:39,160 And then the US was going to send 400 million to rebuild the hospital. 1585 01:21:39,160 --> 01:21:45,160 I mean, they were going to make it a better unit to experiment on people after they got the right government in. 1586 01:21:46,160 --> 01:21:49,160 They were going to cocaine smuggly operation because I, I believe. 1587 01:21:49,160 --> 01:21:52,160 There were drugs and guns being smuggled in and out. 1588 01:21:52,160 --> 01:21:55,160 And there were relations of mercenary. 1589 01:21:55,160 --> 01:22:00,160 Some of these killers that were taken in and out of Angola, the CIA back, 1590 01:22:00,160 --> 01:22:02,160 you need a forces by Blakey. 1591 01:22:02,160 --> 01:22:05,160 The Iran mercenaries and they did run guns and drugs. 1592 01:22:05,160 --> 01:22:08,160 But the operation was primarily an extension of MK Ultra. 1593 01:22:08,160 --> 01:22:10,160 People were taken off the streets. 1594 01:22:11,160 --> 01:22:17,160 Here in San Francisco out of the welfare roles from the elderly homes, from the psychiatric institutions, from the prisons. 1595 01:22:17,160 --> 01:22:21,160 Children were given us words of the court and turned over into their control. 1596 01:22:21,160 --> 01:22:23,160 They put them in buses. 1597 01:22:23,160 --> 01:22:27,160 They took them to Miami and I talked to an air traffic controller when they landed in Guyana. 1598 01:22:27,160 --> 01:22:30,160 All of the blacks were bound and gagged coming off of the plane. 1599 01:22:30,160 --> 01:22:31,160 People five miles away. 1600 01:22:31,160 --> 01:22:33,160 I didn't even know there were blacks yet. 1601 01:22:33,160 --> 01:22:35,160 Chones town all they had ever seen. 1602 01:22:35,160 --> 01:22:39,160 People were the fight crew that was running it going in and out of the cities. 1603 01:22:39,160 --> 01:22:43,160 They were buying guineas babies from women wherever they could give a blanket or something for a baby. 1604 01:22:43,160 --> 01:22:46,160 Taking them back in there and there was massive experimentation. 1605 01:22:46,160 --> 01:22:50,160 There were enough drugs on site to drug the population of Georgetown, 1606 01:22:50,160 --> 01:22:55,160 Guyana over 120,000 for more than a year for a population of 1200 people. 1607 01:22:55,160 --> 01:22:58,160 And this camp and Dr. Shock, who I believe survived. 1608 01:22:58,160 --> 01:23:00,160 He's not in the first death list. 1609 01:23:00,160 --> 01:23:01,160 He's added to the second. 1610 01:23:02,160 --> 01:23:04,160 I think he's related to Hallmark Shock. 1611 01:23:04,160 --> 01:23:08,160 The Mike Reichs Minister of Finance who developed the phrase, 1612 01:23:08,160 --> 01:23:10,160 Harbite Mach Frey. 1613 01:23:10,160 --> 01:23:13,160 Work makes you free at the Auschwitz camp. 1614 01:23:13,160 --> 01:23:15,160 And they came to Houston. 1615 01:23:15,160 --> 01:23:17,160 That's where the Shock family ended up. 1616 01:23:17,160 --> 01:23:18,160 They were the big bankers for Hitler. 1617 01:23:18,160 --> 01:23:19,160 And this guy is from Houston. 1618 01:23:19,160 --> 01:23:21,160 And he was not a doctor. 1619 01:23:21,160 --> 01:23:23,160 He was described as doing, you know, 1620 01:23:23,160 --> 01:23:26,160 food, chewing on wounds without anesthesia. 1621 01:23:26,160 --> 01:23:28,160 And all kind of sadistic things. 1622 01:23:28,160 --> 01:23:29,160 And they had medical tags. 1623 01:23:29,160 --> 01:23:33,160 You can see even in time magazine medical tags on the people. 1624 01:23:33,160 --> 01:23:35,160 But in order came down from Zabigneubers, 1625 01:23:35,160 --> 01:23:37,160 his inscuit through Hague, the Robert Paster, 1626 01:23:37,160 --> 01:23:41,160 on site to strip bodies of all identification tags. 1627 01:23:41,160 --> 01:23:43,160 And the bodies are left in the sun to rocks. 1628 01:23:43,160 --> 01:23:47,160 So that no fingerprints, no identification can be done from the tags. 1629 01:23:47,160 --> 01:23:51,160 And no autopsy can be done fluid or otherwise by the time they get back to the United States. 1630 01:23:51,160 --> 01:23:55,160 So you can never find out what killed them or how many drugs they had in the body. 1631 01:23:55,160 --> 01:23:59,160 They had one foot locker there with 11,000 doses of Thorazine. 1632 01:23:59,160 --> 01:24:03,160 And the drugs that are described are the exact drugs that were used for 30 years in M.K. 1633 01:24:03,160 --> 01:24:06,160 Ultra in the different controls scenarios. 1634 01:24:16,160 --> 01:24:20,160 For the past that's littered with so many shattered lives and a trail of mental torture, 1635 01:24:20,160 --> 01:24:24,160 the challenge of the new millennium will be learning how to best protect ourselves from mind. 1636 01:24:24,160 --> 01:24:26,160 So from mind control. 1637 01:24:26,160 --> 01:24:33,160 Somehow the average citizen thinks that his or her mind could never be manipulated. 1638 01:24:33,160 --> 01:24:37,160 And yet every day were manipulated by each other, 1639 01:24:37,160 --> 01:24:41,160 were manipulated by advertising of thousand things impact 1640 01:24:41,160 --> 01:24:45,160 and manipulate us in different ways. 1641 01:24:45,160 --> 01:24:49,160 We're bombarded with messages from the media, the radio, the television, 1642 01:24:49,160 --> 01:24:53,160 and from newspapers that shape the perceptions of the world. 1643 01:24:53,160 --> 01:24:58,160 This relentless, subtle conditioning can develop without you even knowing it. 1644 01:24:58,160 --> 01:25:02,160 Our watching television is a trance-like experience. 1645 01:25:02,160 --> 01:25:07,160 You forget about the carpet of the curtains and that you're sitting in a room. 1646 01:25:07,160 --> 01:25:12,160 And you engage your experience directly into the television screen. 1647 01:25:12,160 --> 01:25:15,160 So that whatever happens on the screen seems really real. 1648 01:25:15,160 --> 01:25:18,160 You just use a spend belief in reality. 1649 01:25:18,160 --> 01:25:22,160 If you don't take responsibility for what goes into your mind, 1650 01:25:22,160 --> 01:25:23,160 somebody else will. 1651 01:25:23,160 --> 01:25:28,160 Can't lead us politicians advertisers who all seek to implant their message in your mind, 1652 01:25:28,160 --> 01:25:30,160 whether it's fuel, good or not. 1653 01:25:30,160 --> 01:25:34,160 The greatest battle of 21st century will be a battle of the mind. 1654 01:25:34,160 --> 01:25:38,160 And there are people who have power who want more power, 1655 01:25:38,160 --> 01:25:42,160 and they do not want the public to know about mind control. 1656 01:25:42,160 --> 01:25:44,160 It's existence or how it's implemented. 1657 01:25:44,160 --> 01:25:48,160 There is a body of information being used by government 1658 01:25:49,160 --> 01:25:51,160 to control the way people think and act. 1659 01:25:51,160 --> 01:25:57,160 And experiments are systematically designed to increase government's knowledge about that. 1660 01:25:57,160 --> 01:26:03,160 This is the most threatening part of being a citizen in a democracy. 1661 01:26:03,160 --> 01:26:07,160 When your government can manipulate how you vote and how you think, 1662 01:26:07,160 --> 01:26:10,160 you no longer live in a democracy. 1663 01:26:18,160 --> 01:26:20,160 And we are ready. 1664 01:26:20,160 --> 01:26:23,160 And we're thinking what always be all right. 1665 01:26:23,160 --> 01:26:26,160 We go shopping. 1666 01:26:26,160 --> 01:26:31,160 What advertising has always wanted to do is not simply to refuse the atmosphere, 1667 01:26:31,160 --> 01:26:33,160 but to become the atmosphere. 1668 01:26:33,160 --> 01:26:41,160 It wants us not to be able to find a way outside of the world that it creates for us. 1669 01:26:41,160 --> 01:26:43,160 It is all around us. 1670 01:26:43,160 --> 01:26:46,160 Even now in this very room, 1671 01:26:46,160 --> 01:26:49,160 you can see it when you look out your window, 1672 01:26:49,160 --> 01:26:51,160 or when you turn on your television. 1673 01:26:51,160 --> 01:26:55,160 You can feel it when you go to work. 1674 01:26:55,160 --> 01:27:00,160 When you go to church, when you pay your taxes. 1675 01:27:00,160 --> 01:27:07,160 It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth. 1676 01:27:07,160 --> 01:27:09,160 What truth? 1677 01:27:10,160 --> 01:27:15,160 That you are a slave, Neo. 1678 01:27:15,160 --> 01:27:18,160 Like everyone else, you were born into bondage. 1679 01:27:18,160 --> 01:27:23,160 Born into a prison that you cannot smell or taste or touch. 1680 01:27:23,160 --> 01:27:26,160 A prison for your mind. 1681 01:27:26,160 --> 01:27:34,160 You know, that's because straight back in American history. 1682 01:27:34,160 --> 01:27:38,160 You read the work in class press in the mid-19th century. 1683 01:27:38,160 --> 01:27:45,160 You know, press published by artisans and what were called factory girls, 1684 01:27:45,160 --> 01:27:48,160 young women from the farms working in the textile mills, 1685 01:27:48,160 --> 01:27:53,160 and eastern mass chushes, which was set over the beginning of the Industrial Revolution. 1686 01:27:53,160 --> 01:27:56,160 Their press was calling for, 1687 01:27:56,160 --> 01:28:05,160 they said their theme was that those who work in the mills ought to own the wage labor, 1688 01:28:05,160 --> 01:28:12,160 which was called wage slavery, was regarded by most Americans as not very different from slavery. 1689 01:28:12,160 --> 01:28:21,160 Even the Republican Party, regarded wage labor as just a best preliminary free labor, 1690 01:28:21,160 --> 01:28:25,160 but intolerable, because it's kind of servitude. 1691 01:28:25,160 --> 01:28:30,160 Large part of the Northern population fighting civil war was fighting under that banner. 1692 01:28:31,160 --> 01:28:34,160 Last fall, while some people went shopping for new sweaters, 1693 01:28:34,160 --> 01:28:37,160 the people of Peterborough went shopping for a new energy company. 1694 01:28:37,160 --> 01:28:41,160 The regulation is giving the people the ability to choose. 1695 01:28:41,160 --> 01:28:43,160 I think that the town made a really good choice. 1696 01:28:43,160 --> 01:28:47,160 With Enron, your scenery rates cut between 15 and 18%. 1697 01:28:47,160 --> 01:28:50,160 You don't even know that there's a difference until you get your bill. 1698 01:28:50,160 --> 01:28:55,160 Nobody likes a monopoly, and particularly in a place where the state model is live free or die. 1699 01:28:55,160 --> 01:28:57,160 You can choose your neighbors, 1700 01:28:57,160 --> 01:28:59,160 and soon you may choose your energy company. 1701 01:28:59,160 --> 01:29:01,160 Enron, you need to listen. 1702 01:29:01,160 --> 01:29:08,160 No one has imported the techniques and philosophy of market research into politics more successfully than Frank Lundz. 1703 01:29:08,160 --> 01:29:13,160 His clients have been some of the most prominent Republican politicians of the last decade. 1704 01:29:13,160 --> 01:29:17,160 There was the mayoral campaign for root of Giuliani in 1993. 1705 01:29:17,160 --> 01:29:20,160 His work for Celia Burlusconi and Italy. 1706 01:29:20,160 --> 01:29:25,160 And especially his collaboration with Newt Gingrich on the famous contract with America, 1707 01:29:25,160 --> 01:29:29,160 the document that ushered in the Republican Revolution in Congress. 1708 01:29:29,160 --> 01:29:32,160 If an electricity company stood up and said, 1709 01:29:32,160 --> 01:29:34,160 we want to do it for your benefit. 1710 01:29:34,160 --> 01:29:36,160 We want to do it for our benefit. 1711 01:29:36,160 --> 01:29:39,160 We want to do it for everyone's benefit. 1712 01:29:39,160 --> 01:29:42,160 And so we have a better approach. 1713 01:29:42,160 --> 01:29:45,160 Tonight, Lundz's client is not a candidate, 1714 01:29:45,160 --> 01:29:51,160 but a Florida utility wanting to build public support for a change in how it's regulated on the environment. 1715 01:29:51,160 --> 01:29:55,160 I know that the public is very down on corporate America in general, 1716 01:29:55,160 --> 01:29:57,160 and they're down on power companies. 1717 01:29:57,160 --> 01:29:59,160 So what is the language? 1718 01:29:59,160 --> 01:30:00,160 What is the information? 1719 01:30:00,160 --> 01:30:01,160 What are the facts? 1720 01:30:01,160 --> 01:30:04,160 What are the figures that would get Americans to say? 1721 01:30:04,160 --> 01:30:05,160 You know what? 1722 01:30:05,160 --> 01:30:06,160 My electricity company. 1723 01:30:06,160 --> 01:30:07,160 It's okay. 1724 01:30:07,160 --> 01:30:10,160 To get it is subjects got feelings. 1725 01:30:10,160 --> 01:30:20,160 Lundz has them register their moment by moment responses to a speech by a power company executive. 1726 01:30:20,160 --> 01:30:26,160 Climbing, climbing, climbing, changing fuels. 1727 01:30:26,160 --> 01:30:29,160 But watching Lundz work, I couldn't help wondering, 1728 01:30:29,160 --> 01:30:33,160 do the words he's found help the public see the issue more clearly? 1729 01:30:33,160 --> 01:30:35,160 Or do they disguise it? 1730 01:30:35,160 --> 01:30:38,160 His lunch listening to us so his clients can give us what we want, 1731 01:30:38,160 --> 01:30:42,160 or so we can figure out how to make us want what they have to sell. 1732 01:30:42,160 --> 01:30:45,160 The words work, the words applied to the policy. 1733 01:30:45,160 --> 01:30:47,160 This is how we're going to sell it. 1734 01:30:47,160 --> 01:30:51,160 And I'll be able to walk to this electricity company on Monday, 1735 01:30:51,160 --> 01:30:53,160 and be able to say to them, 1736 01:30:53,160 --> 01:30:57,160 your policy makes sense, and here's the language to explain it. 1737 01:30:57,160 --> 01:30:59,160 That was the new recommoment. 1738 01:30:59,160 --> 01:31:01,160 When I watched people nod their heads, 1739 01:31:01,160 --> 01:31:03,160 I watched them look to each other, 1740 01:31:03,160 --> 01:31:07,160 and they were willing at this point to fight for this position. 1741 01:31:07,160 --> 01:31:09,160 You were placing the bad with the good. 1742 01:31:09,160 --> 01:31:10,160 It's almost like in with the good. 1743 01:31:10,160 --> 01:31:13,160 This is a guy who has merchandising ideas, 1744 01:31:13,160 --> 01:31:16,160 and merchandising a movement, 1745 01:31:16,160 --> 01:31:20,160 and merchandising a political party. 1746 01:31:20,160 --> 01:31:22,160 And in many instances, 1747 01:31:22,160 --> 01:31:26,160 the words that he says are the ones that resonate 1748 01:31:26,160 --> 01:31:32,160 are ones that make that obscure to some extent the issue. 1749 01:31:32,160 --> 01:31:34,160 Take the so-called death tags. 1750 01:31:34,160 --> 01:31:36,160 When it was called the estate tags, 1751 01:31:36,160 --> 01:31:38,160 most people supported it. 1752 01:31:38,160 --> 01:31:41,160 But lunch managed to turn public opinion against it, 1753 01:31:41,160 --> 01:31:44,160 simply by giving it an emotionally loaded new name. 1754 01:31:44,160 --> 01:31:47,160 For years, political people and lawyers, 1755 01:31:47,160 --> 01:31:50,160 who, by the way, are the worst communicators, 1756 01:31:50,160 --> 01:31:52,160 use the phrase estate tags. 1757 01:31:52,160 --> 01:31:54,160 And for years, they couldn't eliminate it, 1758 01:31:54,160 --> 01:31:56,160 but the public wouldn't support it, because the word 1759 01:31:56,160 --> 01:31:58,160 is state sounds wealthy. 1760 01:31:58,160 --> 01:32:00,160 Some of the like me comes around and realizes that it's not 1761 01:32:00,160 --> 01:32:02,160 in estate tags, it's a death tags, 1762 01:32:02,160 --> 01:32:04,160 because your taxed at death. 1763 01:32:04,160 --> 01:32:08,160 And suddenly something that isn't viable 1764 01:32:08,160 --> 01:32:12,160 achieves the support of 75% of the American people. 1765 01:32:13,160 --> 01:32:15,160 It's the same tax, 1766 01:32:15,160 --> 01:32:18,160 but nobody really knows what an estate is, 1767 01:32:18,160 --> 01:32:21,160 but they certainly know what it means to be taxed when you die. 1768 01:32:21,160 --> 01:32:24,160 I'd argue that is a clarification, 1769 01:32:24,160 --> 01:32:26,160 that's not an off-escaption. 1770 01:32:26,160 --> 01:32:28,160 Lunches had managed Republican politicians 1771 01:32:28,160 --> 01:32:32,160 to talk about tax relief instead of tax cuts, 1772 01:32:32,160 --> 01:32:36,160 and to replace the war in Iraq with the war on terror. 1773 01:32:36,160 --> 01:32:39,160 He once told his party to speak of climate change, 1774 01:32:39,160 --> 01:32:41,160 not global warming. 1775 01:32:41,160 --> 01:32:43,160 What is the difference? 1776 01:32:43,160 --> 01:32:45,160 It is climate change. 1777 01:32:45,160 --> 01:32:47,160 Some people call it global warming, 1778 01:32:47,160 --> 01:32:49,160 some people call it climate change. 1779 01:32:49,160 --> 01:32:50,160 What is the difference? 1780 01:32:50,160 --> 01:32:52,160 It apparently made enough difference to Republicans 1781 01:32:52,160 --> 01:32:55,160 that they began to use climate change almost exclusively. 1782 01:32:55,160 --> 01:32:57,160 It caused climate change. 1783 01:32:57,160 --> 01:32:59,160 The president's global climate change initiative 1784 01:32:59,160 --> 01:33:01,160 climate change research, 1785 01:33:01,160 --> 01:33:03,160 and we must address the issue of global climate change. 1786 01:33:03,160 --> 01:33:06,160 You should look at public opinion polls for the same reason 1787 01:33:06,160 --> 01:33:07,160 that they are taken. 1788 01:33:07,160 --> 01:33:10,160 Why do we have so many public opinion polls in the United States? 1789 01:33:10,160 --> 01:33:13,160 And they are mostly business-ish-enitiated. 1790 01:33:13,160 --> 01:33:15,160 The propaganda institutions, 1791 01:33:15,160 --> 01:33:16,160 like the PR industry, 1792 01:33:16,160 --> 01:33:19,160 they want to keep their finger on the public pulse. 1793 01:33:19,160 --> 01:33:21,160 They got to know how to design the propaganda. 1794 01:33:21,160 --> 01:33:24,160 So they want to know what people are thinking. 1795 01:33:24,160 --> 01:33:27,160 So in fact, if you want to find out, you can find out too. 1796 01:33:27,160 --> 01:33:30,160 And you can find out how these opinions are changed. 1797 01:33:30,160 --> 01:33:32,160 The most effective kind of propaganda 1798 01:33:32,160 --> 01:33:35,160 was to find as the kind where the subject moves 1799 01:33:35,160 --> 01:33:38,160 in the direction you desire for reasons 1800 01:33:38,160 --> 01:33:40,160 which he believes to be his own. 1801 01:33:40,160 --> 01:33:45,160 What really matters is the fact that the major institutions 1802 01:33:45,160 --> 01:33:49,160 in the society are under totalitarian control. 1803 01:33:49,160 --> 01:33:51,160 After all, what's a corporation? 1804 01:33:51,160 --> 01:33:54,160 A corporation is just a tyrannical system. 1805 01:33:54,160 --> 01:33:56,160 One of the most tyrannical systems 1806 01:33:56,160 --> 01:33:58,160 that humans have ever devised, 1807 01:33:58,160 --> 01:34:00,160 they've been given extraordinary rights 1808 01:34:00,160 --> 01:34:04,160 by the courts, not by legislation early in this century. 1809 01:34:04,160 --> 01:34:07,160 They're like the multilateral agreement 1810 01:34:07,160 --> 01:34:09,160 that would give them actually the rights of states. 1811 01:34:09,160 --> 01:34:11,160 They're basically unaccountable to the public 1812 01:34:11,160 --> 01:34:14,160 when they've been given the rights of persons. 1813 01:34:14,160 --> 01:34:17,160 That means, for example, they have the right to propaganda. 1814 01:34:17,160 --> 01:34:20,160 So like they've been given the rights of free speech, 1815 01:34:20,160 --> 01:34:21,160 which is insane. 1816 01:34:21,160 --> 01:34:24,160 You know, these are collective-est institutions. 1817 01:34:24,160 --> 01:34:26,160 They've been given the right to advertise 1818 01:34:26,160 --> 01:34:28,160 in fact that you're expense. 1819 01:34:28,160 --> 01:34:30,160 So you get the tax free. 1820 01:34:30,160 --> 01:34:35,160 So you get the pay for the privilege of having your minds destroyed. 1821 01:34:35,160 --> 01:34:41,160 And they own the information system. 1822 01:34:41,160 --> 01:34:44,160 They control the information system. 1823 01:34:44,160 --> 01:34:45,160 What are the media? 1824 01:34:45,160 --> 01:34:48,160 Huge corporations, parts of beer corporations. 1825 01:34:48,160 --> 01:34:51,160 That sets the framework of discussion. 1826 01:34:51,160 --> 01:34:56,160 The major decisions that affect what happens in the economy 1827 01:34:56,160 --> 01:34:59,160 and social life are made behind closed doors. 1828 01:34:59,160 --> 01:35:01,160 The little public accountability. 1829 01:35:01,160 --> 01:35:04,160 They have the right freedom from search and seizure. 1830 01:35:04,160 --> 01:35:08,160 Fourth amendment rights means you can't know anything about what they're doing. 1831 01:35:08,160 --> 01:35:12,160 And they have enormous power. 1832 01:35:12,160 --> 01:35:16,160 Furthermore, I mean, it's described as free trade. 1833 01:35:16,160 --> 01:35:17,160 It's ridiculous. 1834 01:35:17,160 --> 01:35:21,160 I mean, these are secret institutions. 1835 01:35:21,160 --> 01:35:24,160 So all figures have to be taken with a big grain of salt, 1836 01:35:24,160 --> 01:35:26,160 because nobody really knows. 1837 01:35:26,160 --> 01:35:29,160 But the guesses are that by international economists, 1838 01:35:29,160 --> 01:35:33,160 that maybe 40% or so of US trade is actually internal 1839 01:35:33,160 --> 01:35:37,160 to corporations, meaning it's not traded all. 1840 01:35:37,160 --> 01:35:39,160 It's just moving something across a border. 1841 01:35:39,160 --> 01:35:42,160 It's no more trade than moving from Indiana to Illinois, 1842 01:35:42,160 --> 01:35:43,160 or something like that. 1843 01:35:43,160 --> 01:35:45,160 It happens across a border. 1844 01:35:45,160 --> 01:35:48,160 You know, to get cheaper labor, to avoid environmental restrictions. 1845 01:35:48,160 --> 01:35:51,160 And so, you know, 40% is not a small number. 1846 01:35:51,160 --> 01:35:53,160 And that's a vast underestimate. 1847 01:35:53,160 --> 01:35:57,160 Because there are also complicated strategic alliances 1848 01:35:57,160 --> 01:35:59,160 and alleged competitors. 1849 01:35:59,160 --> 01:36:03,160 So IBM and Tashiba and Zeeman and so on are working together. 1850 01:36:03,160 --> 01:36:05,160 You know, they're working together on design, 1851 01:36:05,160 --> 01:36:07,160 on marketing, and so on. 1852 01:36:07,160 --> 01:36:11,160 And in fact, it's gotten to the point where some international economists 1853 01:36:11,160 --> 01:36:15,160 call it a new system, what they call a lion's capitalism. 1854 01:36:15,160 --> 01:36:19,160 You know, big networks of tyrannical institutions, 1855 01:36:19,160 --> 01:36:21,160 basically running the world. 1856 01:36:21,160 --> 01:36:25,160 I mean, in comparison with this, the difference between, you know, 1857 01:36:25,160 --> 01:36:27,160 voting and everybody not voting is pretty trivial. 1858 01:36:27,160 --> 01:36:31,160 In the Reagan administration, you really had a massive enterprise 1859 01:36:31,160 --> 01:36:33,160 to control the public mind. 1860 01:36:33,160 --> 01:36:37,160 In fact, when this was exposed during the Iran 1861 01:36:37,160 --> 01:36:41,160 counter-herings partially exposed, one high administration official 1862 01:36:41,160 --> 01:36:45,160 described that as the most successful operation that carried out. 1863 01:36:45,160 --> 01:36:49,160 He said, it's the kind of operation that you carry out in enemy territory. 1864 01:36:49,160 --> 01:36:53,160 And that expresses the attitude towards the population completely. 1865 01:36:53,160 --> 01:36:57,160 The population is the enemy, and you've got a control enemy territory, 1866 01:36:57,160 --> 01:37:03,160 and the way you do it is by very extensive public diplomacy, 1867 01:37:03,160 --> 01:37:05,160 meaning propaganda. 1868 01:37:05,160 --> 01:37:09,160 Intelligent propaganda is not a propaganda that tells blatant lies. 1869 01:37:09,160 --> 01:37:13,160 It's something where you try to show the good side of what you're 1870 01:37:13,160 --> 01:37:17,160 supporting, and you don't tell about the negatives. 1871 01:37:17,160 --> 01:37:21,160 You only tell about the positives, which is true, 1872 01:37:21,160 --> 01:37:23,160 but it's only a half truth. 1873 01:37:23,160 --> 01:37:27,160 And then it makes it half alive, if you will. 1874 01:37:27,160 --> 01:37:33,160 It is told in the words and from the perspective of the power wielders, 1875 01:37:33,160 --> 01:37:37,160 and with no view from outside the walls. 1876 01:37:37,160 --> 01:37:39,160 And that's really, I think, in a nutshell, 1877 01:37:39,160 --> 01:37:41,160 the problem with so much of the coverage in Washington, 1878 01:37:41,160 --> 01:37:45,160 is that the habits of mind, that informant, the sympathies that informant, 1879 01:37:45,160 --> 01:37:47,160 are all with the people at the top, 1880 01:37:47,160 --> 01:37:51,160 and not with the people outside the powers. 1881 01:37:51,160 --> 01:37:57,160 The biggest joke I think in Washington is the idea that the press has an 1882 01:37:57,160 --> 01:38:01,160 adversarial relationship to the city it covers, into the 1883 01:38:01,160 --> 01:38:03,160 class of politicians and bureaucrats that it covers. 1884 01:38:03,160 --> 01:38:07,160 When in fact, it is so far from the adversarial, 1885 01:38:07,160 --> 01:38:09,160 it's a component of their life. 1886 01:38:09,160 --> 01:38:11,160 It's of a carousth member of the same club. 1887 01:38:11,160 --> 01:38:15,160 The adversarial definition is part of the self-flattering, 1888 01:38:15,160 --> 01:38:18,160 the self-adoration with which the press 1889 01:38:18,160 --> 01:38:23,160 conceives of its role and justifies its role to the public, 1890 01:38:23,160 --> 01:38:29,160 who, of course, would like to think that there was a watch dog instead of a lap dog in Washington. 1891 01:38:29,160 --> 01:38:31,160 They aren't so lucky. 1892 01:38:31,160 --> 01:38:34,160 Inside the club, it's getting hard to tell anymore, 1893 01:38:34,160 --> 01:38:37,160 who's the reporter and who's the politician. 1894 01:38:37,160 --> 01:38:43,160 These days, they sometimes just spin together in Washington's revolving door. 1895 01:38:43,160 --> 01:38:45,160 I used to worry about blurb lines. 1896 01:38:45,160 --> 01:38:47,160 Now, the lines, they're not even blurred. 1897 01:38:47,160 --> 01:38:48,160 They're gone. 1898 01:38:48,160 --> 01:38:49,160 The lines are gone. 1899 01:38:49,160 --> 01:38:52,160 People pop in and out of administrations all the time. 1900 01:38:52,160 --> 01:38:55,160 Jim Fallow, speech writer for Jimmy Carter, 1901 01:38:55,160 --> 01:38:57,160 then National correspondent for the Atlantic. 1902 01:38:57,160 --> 01:39:00,160 I mean, I didn't like it at first, 1903 01:39:00,160 --> 01:39:03,160 but it's a phenomenon of our time with the 80s and 90s. 1904 01:39:03,160 --> 01:39:06,160 People are going to work in politics and go into journalism, 1905 01:39:06,160 --> 01:39:08,160 and they're going to pop back and forth. 1906 01:39:08,160 --> 01:39:10,160 No, I don't think about those mean person. 1907 01:39:10,160 --> 01:39:12,160 I think he's an undisciplined person. 1908 01:39:12,160 --> 01:39:16,160 The most notorious case of media cross-dressing 1909 01:39:16,160 --> 01:39:19,160 involved ABC commentator George Will. 1910 01:39:19,160 --> 01:39:24,160 George Will helped prep Ronald Reagan for presidential debate with papers 1911 01:39:24,160 --> 01:39:27,160 that have been stolen in a black-profit under operation 1912 01:39:27,160 --> 01:39:30,160 from Jimmy Carter's campaign. 1913 01:39:30,160 --> 01:39:32,160 Having helped in that seem prep, 1914 01:39:32,160 --> 01:39:35,160 he then went on the as a sort of objective commentator later that night 1915 01:39:35,160 --> 01:39:38,160 to say that he thought Reagan. 1916 01:39:38,160 --> 01:39:40,160 Being an objectively dispassionately, 1917 01:39:40,160 --> 01:39:42,160 fan-minded, even handed lens on, 1918 01:39:42,160 --> 01:39:44,160 had done best in the debate, 1919 01:39:44,160 --> 01:39:48,160 and raging the horse that he'd been secretly trading. 1920 01:39:48,160 --> 01:39:50,160 Pay their price, pay their price for it. 1921 01:39:50,160 --> 01:39:54,160 More than anyone, political analyst David Gergen 1922 01:39:54,160 --> 01:39:57,160 seems stuck in the revolving door. 1923 01:39:57,160 --> 01:39:59,160 Bob, you decided to call this book, The Choice, 1924 01:39:59,160 --> 01:40:02,160 The Choice of Voters must make this November. 1925 01:40:02,160 --> 01:40:05,160 After working for President Nixon, Ford, and Reagan, 1926 01:40:05,160 --> 01:40:08,160 Gergen began writing for US News and World Report, 1927 01:40:08,160 --> 01:40:10,160 and appearing on McNeill Lair. 1928 01:40:10,160 --> 01:40:14,160 Then he returned to politics as a Clinton advisor, 1929 01:40:14,160 --> 01:40:16,160 and now he's back in the media. 1930 01:40:16,160 --> 01:40:18,160 When you click on that set, you sort of have to say, 1931 01:40:18,160 --> 01:40:19,160 what do you have self? 1932 01:40:19,160 --> 01:40:22,160 Am I seeing David Gergen, the thoughtful journalist, 1933 01:40:22,160 --> 01:40:24,160 as he sometimes is, or am I seeing a guy who, 1934 01:40:24,160 --> 01:40:28,160 fairly recently, was in the employee of Bill Clinton as a paid propaganda? 1935 01:40:28,160 --> 01:40:32,160 Sometimes, even I find the lines too blurry to follow the action. 1936 01:40:32,160 --> 01:40:41,160 Through propaganda, we can interrogate our opponents and dehumanize them. 1937 01:40:41,160 --> 01:40:44,160 We didn't refer to Germans, we referred to Hans. 1938 01:40:44,160 --> 01:40:49,160 We didn't refer to Italians, we referred to, as you know. 1939 01:40:49,160 --> 01:40:55,160 We didn't refer to Vietnamese, we refer to Goeks, 1940 01:40:55,160 --> 01:40:59,160 So Hans and Wops and Goeks and Japs, 1941 01:40:59,160 --> 01:41:04,160 or the short circuit that we would take to dehumanize our efforts, 1942 01:41:04,160 --> 01:41:07,160 and to reduce them to a sub-level. 1943 01:41:07,160 --> 01:41:10,160 At the time, the middle of the 19th century, 1944 01:41:10,160 --> 01:41:13,160 the place, the American West, 1945 01:41:13,160 --> 01:41:16,160 the armed forces, screen magazine, presents. 1946 01:41:22,160 --> 01:41:25,160 The covered wagon, backbone of the Western trek, 1947 01:41:25,160 --> 01:41:29,160 didn't stand a chance, one of the traveling alone through hostile country. 1948 01:41:29,160 --> 01:41:32,160 One attack came, the covered wagon could protect itself, 1949 01:41:32,160 --> 01:41:35,160 only if it landed together with other wagons. 1950 01:41:35,160 --> 01:41:40,160 This was mutual defense, this was mutual security. 1951 01:41:40,160 --> 01:41:43,160 We as a nation are able to live a peaceful life, 1952 01:41:43,160 --> 01:41:48,160 but hanging over us all is the specter of a haunting and horrible fear. 1953 01:41:48,160 --> 01:41:53,160 The medium way force is clearly the force of the future. 1954 01:41:53,160 --> 01:41:59,160 It's a cavalry type force, and clearly the Indians are out there. 1955 01:41:59,160 --> 01:42:04,160 That's politically incorrect, but we're dealing with cavalry and Indians again, 1956 01:42:04,160 --> 01:42:07,160 and the cavalry is what we need. 1957 01:42:07,160 --> 01:42:10,160 In order to stop saboteurs, arms with atomic explosives, 1958 01:42:10,160 --> 01:42:15,160 we could search all planes, and train, and boats, 1959 01:42:15,160 --> 01:42:20,160 and autumn fields, crossing our borders from now on. 1960 01:42:21,160 --> 01:42:24,160 We could open every single pack, 1961 01:42:24,160 --> 01:42:28,160 we could remain on a constant, 1962 01:42:28,160 --> 01:42:34,160 24 hour day in day also less. 1963 01:42:34,160 --> 01:42:38,160 One must name the good, the Indians, 1964 01:42:38,160 --> 01:42:43,160 to try to go to the island of the island of the tribe. 1965 01:42:43,160 --> 01:42:47,160 Thus, I am the greatest supporter, 1966 01:42:48,160 --> 01:42:52,160 and the people who are willing to come to that kind of games of the legacy, 1967 01:42:52,160 --> 01:42:55,160 and the people who are willing to come to that kind of game. 1968 01:43:00,160 --> 01:43:04,160 I was raised in a milieu, where I was taught 1969 01:43:04,160 --> 01:43:06,160 that communism leads to dictatorship, 1970 01:43:06,160 --> 01:43:09,160 and that capitalism leads to democracy, 1971 01:43:09,160 --> 01:43:11,160 but it's not that simple. 1972 01:43:11,160 --> 01:43:14,160 The essence of a politician, that political animal, 1973 01:43:14,160 --> 01:43:16,160 is the pursuit of power. 1974 01:43:16,160 --> 01:43:18,160 And say what you want about this country, 1975 01:43:18,160 --> 01:43:19,160 and I love this place. 1976 01:43:19,160 --> 01:43:21,160 I love the freedom as we used to have. 1977 01:43:21,160 --> 01:43:24,160 I love it. I love that. 1978 01:43:26,160 --> 01:43:28,160 So what do they get from there, 1979 01:43:28,160 --> 01:43:31,160 let the officers get power, not money, power. 1980 01:43:31,160 --> 01:43:35,160 Free market capitalism definitely democratizes a country in a culture, 1981 01:43:35,160 --> 01:43:40,160 but corporate, prony capitals of the kind we're seeing with this white house. 1982 01:43:40,160 --> 01:43:44,160 This is an ascetical to democracy in America as it is. 1983 01:43:44,160 --> 01:43:46,160 I am a country of uncomgraded wealth, 1984 01:43:46,160 --> 01:43:48,160 how much abuse. 1985 01:43:50,160 --> 01:43:53,160 Americans have to understand the difference between free market capitalism, 1986 01:43:53,160 --> 01:43:56,160 which is which benefits our country and this kind of corporate, 1987 01:43:56,160 --> 01:43:59,160 chronic capitalism where we have large corporations running our government. 1988 01:43:59,160 --> 01:44:02,160 And there's a name for that, and the name is fascist. 1989 01:44:02,160 --> 01:44:07,160 We don't know that government, by overnight money, 1990 01:44:07,160 --> 01:44:13,160 is just as dangerous as government, by overnight money. 1991 01:44:13,160 --> 01:44:15,160 We need to dominate, 1992 01:44:15,160 --> 01:44:17,160 we need to control, 1993 01:44:17,160 --> 01:44:18,160 we need to control, 1994 01:44:18,160 --> 01:44:19,160 we need to control, 1995 01:44:19,160 --> 01:44:21,160 we need to dominate. 1996 01:44:21,160 --> 01:44:24,160 The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. 1997 01:44:24,160 --> 01:44:25,160 You don't. 1998 01:44:25,160 --> 01:44:27,160 You have no choice. 1999 01:44:27,160 --> 01:44:28,160 You have owners. 2000 01:44:28,160 --> 01:44:29,160 They own you. 2001 01:44:29,160 --> 01:44:31,160 They own everything. 2002 01:44:31,160 --> 01:44:33,160 Big brother is watching you, and they, 2003 01:44:33,160 --> 01:44:34,160 for the people. 2004 01:44:34,160 --> 01:44:36,160 Opedient workers, 2005 01:44:36,160 --> 01:44:38,160 Opedient workers, 2006 01:44:38,160 --> 01:44:41,160 people who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork, 2007 01:44:41,160 --> 01:44:45,160 they're just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly 2008 01:44:45,160 --> 01:44:49,160 shittier jobs with the lower pay the longer hours to reduce benefits the end of over time, 2009 01:44:49,160 --> 01:44:53,160 and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it. 2010 01:44:53,160 --> 01:44:56,160 And now, that common for your social security money. 2011 01:44:56,160 --> 01:44:58,160 It's not a conspiracy. 2012 01:44:58,160 --> 01:45:01,160 And what he found was no criminal conspiracy. 2013 01:45:01,160 --> 01:45:03,160 It can't really be a conspiracy. 2014 01:45:03,160 --> 01:45:05,160 There's no conspiracy, no conspiracy. 2015 01:45:05,160 --> 01:45:07,160 Huh. 2016 01:45:07,160 --> 01:45:10,160 Everyone is saying the exact same thing. 2017 01:45:11,160 --> 01:45:13,160 On the exact same day, 2018 01:45:13,160 --> 01:45:16,160 it's almost as if there was some kind of, 2019 01:45:16,160 --> 01:45:18,160 I don't know. 2020 01:45:18,160 --> 01:45:21,160 What's the word I've looking for? 2021 01:45:21,160 --> 01:45:24,160 Some sort of larger plan. 2022 01:45:29,160 --> 01:45:31,160 I need to control. 2023 01:45:31,160 --> 01:45:32,160 I need to dominate, 2024 01:45:32,160 --> 01:45:34,160 which is what leads people into politics. 2025 01:45:34,160 --> 01:45:35,160 The temptation. 2026 01:45:35,160 --> 01:45:38,160 To use public power. 2027 01:45:38,160 --> 01:45:44,160 And play God is almost irresistible. 2028 01:45:44,160 --> 01:45:57,160 I am the boss of Great Uncomfortable. 2029 01:45:57,160 --> 01:46:00,160 As of now, I am in control here. 2030 01:46:00,160 --> 01:46:05,160 To the core of leaving politicians of America. 2031 01:46:05,160 --> 01:46:06,160 I'm not going to transform. 2032 01:46:06,160 --> 01:46:07,160 I'm fine. 2033 01:46:07,160 --> 01:46:09,160 FBI into a Gestapo. 2034 01:46:09,160 --> 01:46:11,160 Frank and Roosevelt said that he said, 2035 01:46:11,160 --> 01:46:14,160 Fascism is the control of government, 2036 01:46:14,160 --> 01:46:15,160 I large corporations. 2037 01:46:15,160 --> 01:46:17,160 For their own benefit. 2038 01:46:17,160 --> 01:46:19,160 And I actually, on our close with, 2039 01:46:19,160 --> 01:46:20,160 as I have an American heritage, 2040 01:46:20,160 --> 01:46:22,160 dictionary, the last edition, 2041 01:46:22,160 --> 01:46:23,160 which I keep at home, 2042 01:46:23,160 --> 01:46:25,160 which says that defined fascism 2043 01:46:25,160 --> 01:46:26,160 as the control of government, 2044 01:46:26,160 --> 01:46:29,160 I large corporations with right-wing ideology 2045 01:46:29,160 --> 01:46:31,160 driven by Belicos nationalism. 2046 01:46:31,160 --> 01:46:34,160 If that sounds familiar to a lot of you. 2047 01:46:34,160 --> 01:46:37,160 Decisions are made on bases. 2048 01:46:37,160 --> 01:46:40,160 Other than what is best for the country, 2049 01:46:40,160 --> 01:46:43,160 or what is best for the ordinary people of this country. 2050 01:46:43,160 --> 01:46:46,160 They have other motives, other drives, 2051 01:46:46,160 --> 01:46:48,160 other rights, other needs. 2052 01:46:48,160 --> 01:46:50,160 And they exercise them. 2053 01:46:50,160 --> 01:46:52,160 I'm reminded of the Topfields' remark 2054 01:46:52,160 --> 01:46:55,160 that when Terny comes to United States, 2055 01:46:55,160 --> 01:46:56,160 he said, 2056 01:46:56,160 --> 01:46:58,160 it will be very, very quiet. 2057 01:46:58,160 --> 01:47:02,160 And it will be a little sleep that comes over the, 2058 01:47:03,160 --> 01:47:06,160 you know, the songlons that comes over quiet, 2059 01:47:06,160 --> 01:47:09,160 and Pacific industrial animals. 2060 01:47:09,160 --> 01:47:11,160 He stands to shield. 2061 01:47:11,160 --> 01:47:15,160 And then I was sure that ours is a nation of the ballot. 2062 01:47:15,160 --> 01:47:17,160 Not the bullet, 2063 01:47:17,160 --> 01:47:21,160 but till the murders of John Kennedy and Robert Kennedy, 2064 01:47:21,160 --> 01:47:24,160 and Martin Luther King Jr. 2065 01:47:24,160 --> 01:47:27,160 and the Talha, 2066 01:47:27,160 --> 01:47:31,160 that our armies are always invincible, 2067 01:47:32,160 --> 01:47:34,160 and it causes us to always trust him. 2068 01:47:34,160 --> 01:47:37,160 Jesus, Gandhi, Lincoln, John Kennedy, Bobby Kennedy, 2069 01:47:37,160 --> 01:47:40,160 Martin Luther King, Med-Derevers, Malcolm X, John Leonard. 2070 01:47:40,160 --> 01:47:43,160 They also try to live together peacefully. 2071 01:47:43,160 --> 01:47:44,160 Bam! 2072 01:47:44,160 --> 01:47:48,160 While survival of the fittest may be a good working description 2073 01:47:48,160 --> 01:47:50,160 of the process of evolution, 2074 01:47:50,160 --> 01:47:54,160 a government of humans should elevate itself to a higher order. 2075 01:47:54,160 --> 01:47:58,160 We apply social value, more and more noble than me, 2076 01:47:58,160 --> 01:48:00,160 a monetary profit. 2077 01:48:00,160 --> 01:48:01,160 And we are all in love. 2078 01:48:01,160 --> 01:48:03,160 And you ain't in it. 2079 01:48:03,160 --> 01:48:06,160 You and I are not in the big club. 2080 01:48:06,160 --> 01:48:08,160 By the way, it's the same big club that used to be 2081 01:48:08,160 --> 01:48:10,160 chover the head with all day long, 2082 01:48:10,160 --> 01:48:11,160 and they tell you what to believe. 2083 01:48:11,160 --> 01:48:13,160 All day long, beating over the head in their media. 2084 01:48:13,160 --> 01:48:15,160 It's only what to believe, what to think, 2085 01:48:15,160 --> 01:48:16,160 and what to buy. 2086 01:48:16,160 --> 01:48:18,160 The table is tilted folks. 2087 01:48:18,160 --> 01:48:19,160 The game is rigged. 2088 01:48:19,160 --> 01:48:21,160 And nobody's used to notice. 2089 01:48:21,160 --> 01:48:23,160 Nobody's used to care. 2090 01:48:23,160 --> 01:48:24,160 We know. 2091 01:48:24,160 --> 01:48:27,160 The note is that we have done the public down 2092 01:48:27,160 --> 01:48:29,160 to the point where I think most people don't realize 2093 01:48:29,160 --> 01:48:30,160 what they're missing. 2094 01:48:30,160 --> 01:48:31,160 They don't know what's out there. 2095 01:48:31,160 --> 01:48:34,160 The great odds has spoken. 2096 01:48:34,160 --> 01:48:35,160 Go! 2097 01:48:35,160 --> 01:48:39,160 They know attention to that being behind the curtain. 2098 01:48:39,160 --> 01:48:47,160 This is not a message of happiness or reassurance. 2099 01:48:47,160 --> 01:48:49,160 But it is the truth. 2100 01:48:49,160 --> 01:48:52,160 And it is a warning. 2101 01:49:00,160 --> 01:49:03,160 The truth is that we have done the public down. 2102 01:49:03,160 --> 01:49:05,160 We know that we are not in the big club. 2103 01:49:05,160 --> 01:49:07,160 We know that we are not in the big club. 2104 01:49:07,160 --> 01:49:09,160 We know that we are not in the big club. 2105 01:49:09,160 --> 01:49:11,160 We know that we are not in the big club. 2106 01:49:11,160 --> 01:49:13,160 We know that we are not in the big club. 2107 01:49:13,160 --> 01:49:15,160 We know that we are not in the big club. 2108 01:49:15,160 --> 01:49:17,160 We know that we are not in the big club. 2109 01:49:17,160 --> 01:49:19,160 We know that we are not in the big club. 2110 01:49:19,160 --> 01:49:21,160 We know that we are not in the big club. 2111 01:49:21,160 --> 01:49:23,160 We know that we are not in the big club. 2112 01:49:23,160 --> 01:49:25,160 We know that we are not in the big club. 2113 01:49:25,160 --> 01:49:27,160 We know that we are not in the big club.