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The story you were about to hear represents a new

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missing piece in the puzzle of modern history.

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Without this knowledge, many contemporary events are simply beyond understanding.

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You are about to hear a man tell you that the major tax-exempt foundations of this land,

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since at least 1945, have been operating to promote a hidden agenda.

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And that agenda has nothing to do with the surface appearance of charity, good works, or philanthropy.

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This man will tell you that the real objectives include the creation of a worldwide collective

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estate, including the Soviet Union, which is to be ruled from behind the scenes by those

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same interests, which now control the tax-exempt foundations.

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The man who tells this story is none other than Mr. Norman Dodd, who in 1954 was the

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staff director of the Congressional Special Committee to investigate tax-exempt foundations.

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Sometimes referred to as the Resc Committee in recognition of its chairman, Congressman Carol

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Reece.

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The interview you were about to see was conducted by me in 1982.

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I had no immediate use for the material at that time, but I realized that Mr. Dodd's story

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was of extreme importance, and since he was advanced in age and not in good health,

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I simply wanted to capture his recollections on videotape while he was still with us.

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It was a wise decision because Mr. Dodd did pass away just a short time afterward.

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In recent months, there has been a resurgence of interest in the substance of Mr. Dodd's

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story, and we have decided to make it available to the general public.

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And so what now follows is the full unedited interview, broken occasionally only for a tape

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change, or to omit the sound of a passing airplane.

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It stands on its own as an important piece in the puzzle of modern history.

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Mr. Dodd, let's begin this interview by a brief statement for the record telling us who

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you are, what your background is, and your qualifications to speak on this subject.

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Well, Mr. Griffin has, who I am, I am just as a name implies, an individual born

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in New Jersey and educated in private schools, eventually in the school called Ando,

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the Massachusetts, and then Yale University, and running through my whole period of being

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brought up and growing up, I have been an infatigable reader, and I have had one major interest

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in that was this country.

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As I was led to believe it was originally founded, and I entered the world of business,

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knowing absolutely nothing about how that world operated, and realized that the only way

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to find out what that world was consisted of would be to become part of it.

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And I acquired some experience in the manufacturing world, and then in the world of international

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communication and finally, chose banking as the field I wish to devote my life to.

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And I was fortunate enough to secure a position in one of the important banks in New York,

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and lives there.

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I lived through the conditions which led up to what is known as the crash of 1929.

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And I witnessed what is tantamount to a collapse of the structure of the United States

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as a whole, and much to my surprise, I was confronted by my superiors in the middle of

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the panic in which they were immersed.

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I was confronted with the question, no, I'm what do we do now?

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I was 30 at the time, and I had no more right to have an answer to that question than

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the man in the moon.

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However, I did manage to say to my superiors, gentlemen, you take this experience, this

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proof of something that you do not know about banking, and you better go find out what

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that something is, and act accordingly.

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Four days later, I was confronted by the same superiors with a statement to the effect

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that, no, I'm, you go find out.

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And I really was full enough to accept that assignment, because in meant that you were going

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out to search for something and nobody could tell you what you were looking for.

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But I felt so strongly on the subject that I considered to, I was relieved of all normal

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duties inside the bank.

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And two and a half years later, I felt that it was possible to report back to those who

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had given me this assignment.

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And so I rendered such a report, and as a result of the report, I rendered, I would

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told the following, norm what you're saying is we should return to sound banking.

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And I said yes, in essence, that's exactly what I'm saying.

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Where upon I got my first shock, which was a statement from them to this effect, we

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will never see sound banking in the United States again.

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And they cited chapter and verse to support that statement.

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And what they cited was, as follows, since the end of World War I, we have been responsible

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for the, what they call the institutionalizing of conflicting interests.

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And they are so prevalent inside this country that they can never be resolved.

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This came to me as an extraordinary shock because the men who made the statement were

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men who were deemed as the most prominent bankers in the country.

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The bank of which I was a part was spoken of as a Morgan bank.

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And coming from men of that caliber, a statement of that kind made a tremendous impression

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on me.

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And the type of impression that it made on me was, I wondered if I as an individual

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and what they call it, junior officer of the bank, could with the same enthusiasm, forced

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to their progress and the policies of the bank.

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I spent about a year trying to think this out and came to the conclusion that I would

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have to resign.

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I did resign and as a consequence of that had this experience.

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When my letter of resignation reached the desk of the president of the bank, he sent

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for me.

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And then he came to visit with him and he stated to me, no, am I have your letter?

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But I don't believe you understand what's happened in the last 10 days.

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I said, no, Mr. Carcran, I have no idea what's happened.

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Well, he said the directors have never been able to get their, your report to them out of their

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mind.

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And as a result, they have decided that you as an individual must begin at once and you must

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reorganize this bank in keeping with your own ideas.

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And he then said, now, can I tear up your letter?

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And in as much as what had been said to me was offering me at the age of by then 33, about

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his final opportunity for service to the country, as I could imagine, I said yes.

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And they said they wish me to begin at once.

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And I did.

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And suddenly in the span of about six weeks, I would not permitted to do another piece

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of work.

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And every time I brought the subject up, I was kind of padded on the back and said,

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and told, stop worrying about it.

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No one pretty soon, you'll be a vice president and then you will have quite a handsome

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salary and ultimately be able to retire on a very worthwhile pension.

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And at the meantime, you can play golf and tennis to your arts content on weekends.

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Well, Mr. Griffin, I found I couldn't do it.

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I spent a year with my figured every of my feet on the desk doing nothing.

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And I just couldn't adjust to it.

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So I did resign.

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And this time, my resignation stuck.

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And then I got my second shock, which was the discovery that the doors of every bank

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in the United States were closed to me and I never could get a job as it were in a bank.

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So I found myself for the first time since I graduated from college, out of a job.

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And from there on I followed various branches of the financial world, ranging from investment

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council to membership as a stockage change.

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And finally ended up as an advisor to a few individuals who had capital funds to look after.

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The meantime, my major interest became very specific, which was to endeavor by some means

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of getting the educational world to actually, you might say, teach the subject of economics

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realistically and move it away from the support of various speculative activities that characterize

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our country.

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And I have had that interest.

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And you know how, as you generate a specific interest, you find yourself gravitating toward

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the person who was with similar interests.

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And ultimately, I found myself kind of the center of the world of dissatisfaction with the

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direction as country was headed.

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And that's on one direction and is the same way I found myself in contact with many individuals

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who, on their own, had done a vast amount of studying and research in areas which were

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part of the problem.

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And I'm going to dive on my interrupt here for a second.

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What point in your career did you become connected with the Rees Committee?

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In 1953.

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1953.

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Yeah.

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And what was that capacity, sir?

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I was a capacity of what they call director of research for the Reesh Committee.

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Can you tell us what the Reesh Committee was attempting to do?

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Yes, I can tell you.

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It was operating and carrying out instructions embodied in a resolution passed by the House

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of Representatives, which was to investigate the activities of foundations.

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As to whether or not these activities could justifiably be labeled un-American without,

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I might say, defining what they meant by un-American.

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That was the resolution and the committee had then the task of selecting a council and

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the council in trying not to task of selecting a staff and he had to have somebody who

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would direct a work of that staff.

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And that was what they meant by the director of research.

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What were some of the details, the specifics that you told the committee at that time?

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Well, Mr. Griffin, in that report, I specifically, number one defined what was to us,

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what was meant by the phrase un-American.

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And we defined that in our way as being determination to effect changes in the country by

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un-constitutional means.

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We have plenty of constitutional procedures assuming that we wish to effect a change in the

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form of government of that sort of thing.

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And therefore, any effort in that direction, which did not reveal itself of the procedures

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which were authorized by the Constitution, could be justifiably called un-American.

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That was the start of educating them up to that particular point.

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And the next thing was to educate them as to the effect.

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On the country as a whole of the activities of large and down foundations over the

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then passed 40 years.

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What was that effect?

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That effect was to orient our educational system away from support of the principles and

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bodies and the decoration of independence and implemented in the Constitution and

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educated them over to the idea that the task now was as a result of the orientation of education

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to away from the briefed principles, briefly stated principles and self-evident truths.

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And that's what had been the effect of the wealth, which was constituted the endowments

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of those foundations that had been in existence over the largest portion of the span of 50 years.

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And holding them responsible for this change.

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And what we were able to bring forward was that the...

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that what we had uncovered was the determination of these large and down foundations through their

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trustees to actually get control over the content of American education.

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There's quite a bit of publicity given to your conversation with Rowan Gather.

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Would you please tell us who he was and what was that conversation you had with?

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I remember Rowan Gather was at that time president of the Ford Foundation.

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And Mr. Gather had sent for me when I found it convenient to be in New York, asked me to call

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upon a matter of his office, which I did, and on arrival after a few amenities.

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Mr. Gather said, Mr. Dodd, we've asked you to come up here this today because we thought that

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possibly off the record, you would tell us why the Congress is interested in the activities

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of foundations such as ourselves.

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And before I could think of how I would reply to that statement, Mr. Gather then went on voluntarily

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and stated, he said, Mr. Dodd, all of us that have a hand in the making of policies here

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have had experience either with the OSS during the war or the European Economic Administration.

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After the war, we've had experience operating under directives and these directives emanate

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and did emanate from the White House.

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Now we still operate under just such directives.

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Would you like to know what the substance of these directives is?

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I said, yes, Mr. Gather, I like very much to know where a funny made this statement

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to mean, namely, Mr. Dodd, we are here, operate on similar and response to similar directives,

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the substance of which is that we show news are grant making power, so to all their life

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in the United States that it can be comfortably merged with Soviet Union.

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No parents, that I think, Mr. Griffin, I've nearly fell off the chair.

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Of course, it didn't, but I've response to Mr. Gather then was, Mr. Gather, I can now

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answer your first question.

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If forced the Congress of the United States to spend $150,000 to find out what you just

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owe me, so why don't you, I said, of course legally you're entitled to make grants for this

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purpose, but I don't think you're entitled to withhold that information from the people

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of the country to whom you're indebted for your tax exemption.

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So why don't you tell the people of the country where it's what you've told me?

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And his answer was, we would not think of doing any such thing, so then I said, well, Mr.

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Gather, obviously, you're forced the Congress to spend this money in order to find out

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what you just told me.

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Mr. Dodd, you have spoken before about some interesting things that were discovered by

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Katherine Casey at the Carnegie Endowment.

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Can you tell us that story please?

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Yes, I'm glad to much to Griffin.

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This experience that you have just referred to came about in response to a letter which I had

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written to the Carnegie Endowment for an National Peace, asking certain questions and gathering

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certain information.

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And under a arrival of that letter, Dr. Johnson, who was then president of the Carnegie Endowment,

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telephone me and said, did I ever come up to New York?

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And I said, yes, I did more or less each weekend.

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And he said, well, when you're next year, will you drop in and see us?

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Which I did.

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And again, on arrival at the office of the Endowment, I found myself in the presence of Dr.

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Joseph Johnson, the president who was a successor to Algerhiss, two vice presidents and their

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own counsel, a partner in the firm who followed an ensemble.

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And Dr. Johnson said, after again, amenities, Mr. Dodd, we have your letter.

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We can answer all those questions, but it'd be a great deal of trouble.

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And we have a countersuggestion.

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And our countersuggestion is that if you can spare a member of your staff for two weeks and

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send that member up to New York, we will give to that member a room in the library and

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the minute books of this foundation, since its inception.

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And we think that whatever you want to find out of the Congress wants to find out will

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be obvious from those minutes.

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Well, my first reaction was they lost their mind.

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I had a pretty good idea of what those minutes would contain.

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But I realized that Dr. Johnson had only been in office two years and the other, the

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vice presidents were relatively young men.

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And counsel seemed to be also young men.

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And I guessed that probably they'd never read the minutes themselves.

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And so I said, I had somebody, I would take it.

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I would accept their offer and went back to Washington and I selected the member of my staff

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who was on my staff, having been a practicing attorney in Washington.

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But she was on my staff to proceed to as I didn't break any congressional procedures or rules.

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In addition to which she was unsympathetic to the purpose of the investigation.

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She was a level headed and a very reasonably brilliant, capable lady.

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And her attitude toward the investigation was what could possibly be wrong with foundations.

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They do so much good.

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Well, in the face of that sincere conviction of Catherine's, I went out of my way not to prejudice

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her in any way.

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But I did explain to her that she couldn't possibly cover 50 years of handwritten minutes

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in two weeks.

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So she would have to do what we call spot reading.

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And I blocked out certain periods of time to concentrate on.

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And off she went to New York.

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She came back at the end of two weeks with the following in the way of on on Dick to Phone

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Bells.

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We are now at the year 1998, which was the year that the Carnegie began operations.

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And in that year, the trustee is meeting for the first time, raise a specific question,

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which they discuss throughout the balance of the year in a very learned fashion.

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And the question is, is there any means known more effective than war, as soon as you

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wish to alter the life of an entire people?

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And they conclude that no more effective means than war to that end is known to humanity.

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So then in 1999 they raised the second question and discussed it, namely, how do we involve

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the United States in a war?

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Well, I doubt at that time if there was any subject more removed from the thinking of most

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of the people of this country, that is involvement in the war.

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There were intermittent shows in the Balkans, but I doubt very much of many people even

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knew where the Balkans were.

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Then finally they answer that question as follows.

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We must control the state department.

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And then that very naturally raises the question of how do we do that?

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And they answer it by saying, we must take over it and control the diplomatic machinery

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of this country.

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And finally they resolve to aim at that as an objective.

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Then time passes and we are eventually in a war, which would be in World War 1.

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And at that time they recorded on their minutes a shocking report on which they dispatched

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to President Wilson, that telegram, cautioning him to see that the war does not end too quickly.

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And finally, of course, we are the war is over.

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At that time they are interested over to preventing what they call a reversion of life in the

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United States to what it was prior to 1914 when World War 1 broke out.

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And they arrive at that point.

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They are, come to the conclusion that to prevent a reversion, we must control education

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in the United States.

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And they realize that that's a pretty big task.

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So it's to them it is too big for them alone so they approach the Rockefeller Foundation

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with this suggestion that.

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That portion of education, which could be considered domestic, behind or by the Rockefeller

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Foundation and that portion which is international should be handled by the endowment.

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And they then decide that the key to the success of these two operations lay in an

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olderation of the teaching of American history.

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So they approach four of the then most prominent teachers of American history in the country.

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People like Charles and Mary Bird.

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And their suggestion to them is will they alter the manner which they present this subject

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and they get turned down flat.

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So they then decide that it is necessary for them to do as they say, build our own stable

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of historians.

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And then they approach the Google Foundation which specializes in fellowships and say,

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when we find young men in the process of studying for doctorates in the field of American

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history and we feel that they are the right caliber.

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Will you grant them fellowships on our say so and the answer is yes.

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So under that condition, eventually they assemble 20 and they take this 20 potential

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teachers of American history to London and they're there briefed into what is expected of them

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when as if they secure appointments in keeping with the doctorates they will have earned.

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And that group of 20 historians ultimately becomes a nucleus of the American historical

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association and then toward the end of the 1920s the endowment grants to the American

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historical association.

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$400,000 for a study of our history in a manner which points to what can this country

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be, can it look forward to in the future and that culminates in a seven volume study book study.

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The last volume of witches of course an essence and summary of the contents of the other

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six and the essence of the last volume is the future of this country belongs to collective

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wisdom administered with characteristic American efficiency.

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That's the story that ultimately grew out of and of course was what could have been presented

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by the members of this congressional committee to the Congress as a whole for just exactly what

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it said.

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And then we got to that point this is the story that emerged from the minutes of the

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of the Carnegie Fund.

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That's right.

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That's right.

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And so it was official to that extent and Catherine Casey brought all of these back in the form

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of dictated notes or verbatim readings of the minutes.

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Undictive bone belt are those in existence today?

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I don't know.

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But if they are there somewhere near archives under the control of the Congress, how

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to represent it?

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How many people actually heard those?

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Are were they typed up transcripts made?

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No.

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How many people actually heard those recordings?

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No, three maybe myself, my top assistants and Catherine.

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I might tell you this experience that far as it's impact on Catherine Casey's concern.

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She never was able to return to her law practice.

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If it hadn't been for Carol Reese's ability to tuck her away on a job of the Federal Trade

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Commission, I don't know what would have happened to Catherine.

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But, ultimately, she lost her mind as a result of it.

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Carable shock to her.

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It's a very rough experience to encounter proof of each kind.

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Mr. Dodd, what kind of, what can you summarize the opposition to the committee, the

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East Committee, and particularly the efforts to sabotage the committee?

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Well, they began right at the start of the work of an operating staff, Mr. Griffin,

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and it began on the day in which the committee met for the purpose of concerning to our

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confirming my appointment to the position of director of research.

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Thanks to the abstention of the minority members of the committee, that is the two Democratic

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members from voting, why technically I was unanimously appointed.

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And, well, wasn't the White House involved in opposition to not at this particular point,

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sir.

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Mr. Reese ordered council in myself to visit Wayne Hayes.

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Wayne Hayes was the ranking minority member of the committee as a Democrat.

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So we, council, and I had to go down to Mr. Hayes office, which we did.

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Mr. Hayes greeted us with the flat statement directed primarily to me, which I was that

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I am opposed to this investigation.

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I regarded as nothing but an effort to part a carol-reast again, a little prominence,

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so I'll do everything I can to see that it fails.

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Well, I am kind of a strange personality in the sense that the challenge of that nature

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interests me.

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Our council withdrew.

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He went over and sat in the couch on Mr. Reese's office and pounded.

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But I sort of took up this statement of Hayes as a challenge and set myself the goal

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of winning him over to our point of view.

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And I started by noticing on his desk that it was a book.

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And the book was at the type that there are many of these days that would be complaining

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about the spread of communism and hungriers.

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That type of book.

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And this meant to me that at least Hayes read a book.

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And so I brought up the subject of the spread of the influence of the Soviet world.

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And for two hours discussed this with Hayes and finally ended up with his rising from his

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desk and saying, norm if you can, if you will carry this investigation toward the goal

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as you outlined it to me, I'll be your biggest supporter.

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I said, Mr. Hayes, I can assure you that you, I will not double crush you.

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Subsequently, Mr. Hayes sent word to me that he was in the Bethesda hospital within

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attack of ulcers.

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And but would I come and see him, which I did?

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He then said, norm, the only reason I've asked you to come out here is I just wanted to hear

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you say again, you will not double cross me.

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I gave him that assurance.

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And that was the basis of our relationship.

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In time, counsel took the attitude expressed in these words, norm, if you want to waste

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your time with this guy, as he called him.

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You can go ahead and do it, but don't ever ask me to say anything to him under any condition

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on any subject.

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So in the sense that clear the text for me to operate in relation to Hayes on my own.

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And as time passed, Hayes offered friendship, which I hesitate to accept because of his

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vulgarity.

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And I didn't want to get mixed up with him socially under any condition.

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Well, it was our atmosphere.

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Our relationship for about three months.

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And then eventually I had occasion to add to my staff.

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And as a result of adding to my staff, a top-flight intelligence officer, both Republican

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National Committee and the White House, were resorted to to stop me from continuing this

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investigation.

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In the direction and Carol Rees had personally asked me to do, which was to utilize this

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investigation, Mr. Griffin, to uncover the fact that this country had been the victim

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of a conspiracy.

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That was Mr. Rees' conviction.

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I eventually agreed to carry it out.

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I explained to Mr. Rees that his own counsel wouldn't go in that direction.

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He gave me permission to disregard our own counsel.

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And I had then to set up an aspect of the investigation outside of our office, more

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or less secret.

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And the Republican National Committee got wind of what I was doing.

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And they did everything they could to stop me.

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They appealed to counsel to stop me.

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And finally, they resorted to the White House.

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Was there objection because of what you were doing or because of the fact that you were

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doing it outside of the official auspices of the committee?

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No, their objection was, as they put it, my devotion to what they call anti-semitism.

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That was a cooked-up idea, but in other words, it wasn't true at all.

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But anyway, that's the way expressed it.

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And excuse me, why did they say that?

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Why did they do that?

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How could they say that?

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They could say it, Mr. Griffin, but they had to have something in the way of rationalization

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of their decision to do everything they could to stop the completion of this investigation

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in the direction that it was moving, which would have been an exposure of this Carnegie

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and Delments story in the Ford Foundation, and the Guggenheim and the Rockefeller Foundation,

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all working in harmony toward the control of education in the United States.

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Well, in any event, to secure the help of the White House and the picture, they assigned,

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they got to White House to cause the liaison personality between the White House and the

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Hill, a major person, to go up to Hayes and try to get him to, as it were, actively opposed

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what investigation was engaged in.

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And Hayes very kindly then would listen to this visit from major person.

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And he would call me and say, no, I'm coming to my office.

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I have a good deal to tell you.

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I would go up.

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He'd tell me, I've just had a visit from major person.

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And he wants me to break up this investigation.

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So I then say, well, Wayne, what did you do?

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What did you say to him?

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He said, I just told him to get the LL out.

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And he did that three times.

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And I got pretty proud of him.

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And the sense that he was, as it were, backing me up.

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And we finally embarked upon hearings at Hayes' request because he wanted to get him out

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of the way before he went abroad in the summer.

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And why were the hearings finally terminated?

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What happened to the committee?

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What happened to the committee or the hearings?

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The hearings?

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Well, the hearings were terminated.

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Carol Reese was up against such a fiorar as Hayes through the activity of our own council.

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Hayes became convinced that he was being double-crossed.

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And he put on a show in a public hearing room, Mr. Griffin, that was an absolute disgrace.

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And he called Carol Reese publicly every name in the book.

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And Mr. Reese took this as proof that he couldn't continue the hearings.

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He actually invited me to accompany him when he went down to Hayes' office.

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And in my presence with the tears rolling down his face, Hayes, the politics, the Carol

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Reese, for I've been done and his conduct.

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And I apologize to me.

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And I thought that would be enough in Carol Wood Resume.

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But he never did.

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The charge of anti-Semitism has kind of been tricking to me.

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What was the basis of that charge?

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What charge?

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The basis for it at all.

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The basis of the Republican National Committee,

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was that the intelligence officer I'd taken on my staff when I oriented this investigation

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to the exposure of and proof of a conspiracy was known to have a book.

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And the book was deemed to be anti-Semitic.

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This was childish, but this was the second-end command of the Republican National Committee.

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And he tried to meet, I would have to dismiss this person from my staff.

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Who was that person?

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Who was that person?

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The person?

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Yes.

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A Colonel Lee Lorraine.

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Lee Lorraine.

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Yeah.

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And what was his book, do you recall?

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The time he was dead, but the book they were referred to was called Water's Floing Eastward.

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Which was a very castigation of the Jewish influence in the world.

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What were some of the other charges made by Mr. Hayes against Mr. Reese?

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Oh, just Mr. Reese was utilizing this investigation

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with his own prominence inside the House of Representatives.

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That was the only charge the Hairs Good Think Up.

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How would you describe the motivation of the people who created the foundations,

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the big foundations in the very beginning?

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What was their motivation?

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Their motivation?

458
00:46:32,540 --> 00:46:38,900
Well, let's take Mr. Carnegie as an example.

459
00:46:38,900 --> 00:46:50,700
And his publicly declared steadfast interest was to counteract the departure of the colonies

460
00:46:50,700 --> 00:46:53,460
from Great Britain.

461
00:46:53,460 --> 00:46:59,620
He was devoted to just putting the pieces back together again.

462
00:46:59,620 --> 00:47:02,620
Would that have required the collectivism that they were dedicated to?

463
00:47:02,620 --> 00:47:05,780
No, no, no.

464
00:47:05,860 --> 00:47:15,300
These policies are the foundations, the legions to these un-American concepts.

465
00:47:15,300 --> 00:47:22,620
All traceable to the transfer of the funds over the lands of trustees,

466
00:47:22,620 --> 00:47:30,940
Mr. Greppon, that not to men who had a hand in the creation of the wealth

467
00:47:31,020 --> 00:47:42,140
that led to the endowment of the use of that wealth for what we would call public purposes.

468
00:47:42,140 --> 00:47:44,860
It was a subversion of the original intent.

469
00:47:44,860 --> 00:47:48,340
Oh, yeah, completely so.

470
00:47:48,340 --> 00:47:55,860
And that we got into the world, traditionally of bankers and lawyers.

471
00:47:55,900 --> 00:48:01,900
How do you see that the purpose and direction of the major foundations has changed over the years

472
00:48:01,900 --> 00:48:02,700
to the present?

473
00:48:02,700 --> 00:48:04,300
What is it today?

474
00:48:04,300 --> 00:48:17,180
100% behind meeting the cost of education such as such as it is presented through the schools

475
00:48:17,180 --> 00:48:24,500
and colleges of the United States on the subject of our history as proven our

476
00:48:24,580 --> 00:48:28,900
original ideas to be no longer practical.

477
00:48:28,900 --> 00:48:35,100
The future belongs to a collectivistic concept.

478
00:48:35,100 --> 00:48:43,540
And there just no disagreement on it.

479
00:48:43,540 --> 00:48:52,100
Why do the foundations generously support communist causes in the United States?

480
00:48:52,140 --> 00:48:55,860
Well, because to them, what communism represents,

481
00:48:55,860 --> 00:49:01,140
means of developing what we call a monopoly.

482
00:49:01,140 --> 00:49:09,020
And as the organization will say of large scale industry into an administrative

483
00:49:09,020 --> 00:49:12,660
union.

484
00:49:12,660 --> 00:49:15,340
Do they think that they will be one of the biggest?

485
00:49:15,340 --> 00:49:17,460
They will be the beneficiaries, I would.

486
00:49:17,460 --> 00:49:18,460
Yes.

487
00:49:22,100 --> 00:49:23,100
Yes.

488
00:49:23,100 --> 00:49:24,100
Yes.

489
00:49:24,100 --> 00:49:25,100
Yes.

490
00:49:25,100 --> 00:49:26,100
Yes.

491
00:49:26,100 --> 00:49:27,100
Yes.

492
00:49:27,100 --> 00:49:28,100
Yes.

493
00:49:28,100 --> 00:49:30,100
Yes.

494
00:49:30,100 --> 00:49:32,100
Yes.

495
00:49:32,100 --> 00:49:34,100
Yes.

496
00:49:34,100 --> 00:49:36,100
Yes.

497
00:49:36,100 --> 00:49:37,100
Yes.

498
00:49:37,100 --> 00:49:38,100
Yes.

499
00:49:38,100 --> 00:49:39,100
Yes.

500
00:49:39,100 --> 00:49:40,100
Yes.

501
00:49:40,100 --> 00:49:41,100
Yes.

502
00:49:41,100 --> 00:49:42,100
Yes.

503
00:49:42,100 --> 00:49:43,100
Yes.

504
00:49:43,100 --> 00:49:44,100
Yes.

505
00:49:44,100 --> 00:49:45,100
Yes.

506
00:49:45,100 --> 00:49:46,100
Yes.

507
00:49:46,100 --> 00:49:47,100
Yes.

508
00:49:47,100 --> 00:49:48,100
Yes.

509
00:49:48,100 --> 00:49:49,100
Yes.

510
00:49:49,100 --> 00:49:50,100
Yes.

511
00:49:50,100 --> 00:49:51,100
Yes.