1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:08,000 Carnival time in New Orleans, when the city explodes with color and sound and people g... 2 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:18,000 But for one person, New Orleans holds a different kind of magic. 3 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:26,000 Judith Verri Baker first came here in April 1963, seven months before Kennedy's... 4 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:31,000 She fell deeply in love with a man she met here, who was to change her life forever. 5 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:35,000 That man was Lee Harvey Oswald. 6 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:46,000 Lee Oswald was an innocent man who gave his life for his country, who was a loyal mari... 7 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:51,000 And he deserves better in history than the vile portrait of him that's been painted. 8 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:57,000 This is a man who was a hero, and I stand as a witness to that, period. 9 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:06,000 Judith's story, told here for the first time, changes forever our understanding of Lee... 10 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:19,000 That story begins in Bradenton, Florida, where as a young schoolgirl Judith excelle... 11 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:24,000 By the time she was in high school, she was extremely dedicated to her work. 12 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:29,000 And when I say to her work, it was her scientific studies, her projects that she... 13 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:33,000 And she always, always had this interest in cancer research. 14 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:38,000 She wanted to be the person who could cure cancer, and she was determined to do that. 15 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:44,000 Her exceptional abilities were soon drawing local and then national attention. 16 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:49,000 When I was in high school, I noticed that I was focusing on things that were of intere... 17 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:57,000 My work with cancer, my work with getting metal out of seawater and all that, excite... 18 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:04,000 I gave cancer, lung cancer, to MICE, faster than it had ever been done before, with al... 19 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:11,000 They were astonished. And they even went to my school and checked everything out, and ... 20 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:15,000 All the doors opened from there. I found myself invited. 21 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:24,000 As soon as I could graduate, I was sent to Buffalo, New York, to the oldest and most... 22 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:31,000 Roswell Park Memorial Institute for Cancer Research, under the auspices of Dr. Deal a... 23 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:37,000 Dr. Alton Oshner, one of the world's leading cancer specialists, was fiercely... 24 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:45,000 He was to play a crucial role in Judith's life. Without realizing it, she was being... 25 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:53,000 This became apparent in 1962, when she became a full-time student at the University of... 26 00:02:53,000 --> 00:03:00,000 I was getting specialized in deadly cancers. It was made clear to me by the time I ente... 27 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:10,000 they didn't want people knowing that they were working, we were working, on projects... 28 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:13,000 on the matter of using cancer as a bio weapon. 29 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:19,000 She was very gullible. She didn't have people experience. She was always in a laboratory... 30 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:26,000 So yeah, she was very capable of being taken advantage of without ever knowing it, unti... 31 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:33,000 In the spring of 1963, Judith was invited to join Dr. Oshner in New Orleans on a tempor... 32 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:40,000 It was an exciting offer for the young scientist. The Oshner Clinic and its found... 33 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:50,000 Dr. Alton Oshner, who was famous as the first physician to link smoking and cancer, and ... 34 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:55,000 he said he needed me there and that he wanted me to work in the bone cancer lab with Dr.... 35 00:03:55,000 --> 00:04:04,000 Dr. Mary Sherman was working on some cutting edge research and the blood sedimentation... 36 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:10,000 On top of that, he'd been telling me what to do for a couple of years now and was... 37 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:16,000 This man was virulently anti-Castro and he knew about my anti-Castro feelings. 38 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:23,000 Judith arrived in New Orleans on April 20th, 1963, two weeks before she was to meet... 39 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:28,000 She was a naive 19 year old, alone for the first time in a big city. 40 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:33,000 She was to be joined ten days later by her fiance, Robert Baker. 41 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:40,000 While she awaited his arrival, Judith took a room at the YWCA, close to the downtown area. 42 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:46,000 The following week, she went to the main post office to pick up a letter from her... 43 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:54,000 As I asked for the letter from Robert Baker and obtained it, when I reached for it I... 44 00:04:54,000 --> 00:05:02,000 and this very clean cut young gentleman standing behind me picked it up and handed... 45 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:08,000 I looked at him and he smiled and he's young like I am and he was so clean cut 46 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:14,000 and so polite that when he asked me if he could walk me home I said yes. 47 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:20,000 That was how I met Lee Harvey Oswald for the first time. 48 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:32,000 I have to call it instant chemistry. I never felt such an attraction for anyone either... 49 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:36,000 He was love at first sight and I know he felt the same way about me too. 50 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:44,000 New Orleans was Oswald's hometown and overnight he became Judith's guide and... 51 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:50,000 The first person he introduced her to was a man he called Dr. David Ferri, a close... 52 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,000 They met in a local restaurant. 53 00:05:52,000 --> 00:06:00,000 He was wearing an airline captain pilot's hat and he had his pilot's jacket on and a ring 54 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:06,000 and here I'd been told he was Dr. David Ferri but now I also realized he was Captain Dav... 55 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,000 who had been with Eastern Airlines. 56 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:14,000 This is a man who probably could talk to you on any subject at length. 57 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:20,000 He could discourse on anything and he could speak knowledgeably to me about cancer... 58 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:26,000 He was actually said working on a project he would like me to see it. 59 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:32,000 He knew Ochsner was. He not only knew Dr. Mary Sherman, she was his friend. 60 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:36,000 So all these things were of great interest to me. 61 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:44,000 I wanted very much to know more about this strange man, Dr. David Ferri, who was also... 62 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:50,000 Later that day Oswald took Judith to David Ferri's apartment in this suburb of New... 63 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:54,000 Unwittingly she was being drawn into a deadly game. 64 00:06:55,000 --> 00:07:01,000 David Ferri's apartment was the upper half of a white Spanish style building 65 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:06,000 and we entered from the back. People who knew David Ferri would not enter from the front. 66 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:11,000 So as we sat down, we were sitting down on an antique piece of furniture from his mother. 67 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:19,000 He has nice Schinz curtains but the rest of it looks like six or seven garage sale hal... 68 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:25,000 He had a book on nursing and surgical procedures, how to do operations. 69 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:32,000 He had the Difco manual and nobody has the Difco manual unless they're doing cancer... 70 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:37,000 We were there not only most of the day but all night long that night. 71 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:41,000 And I took reams of notes on what he was saying. 72 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:47,000 To Judith's amazement Ferri began to talk about a secret government medical project... 73 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:52,000 involving himself and Mary Sherman overseen by Alton Ochsner. 74 00:07:52,000 --> 00:08:01,000 I knew that Dr. Ochsner had been working on a variety of different projects and that... 75 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:08,000 this seemed very possible to me that Dr. Ochsner and Dr. Sherman might be involved... 76 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:11,000 And of course he spoke knowledgeably of both people. 77 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:21,000 However following a raucous party at Ferri's apartment, Judith began to have reservatio... 78 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:26,000 I was already falling in love with Lee Oswald but I didn't know him that well. 79 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:32,000 So I was concerned and I asked Lee to show me, I need to find out really is the... 80 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:38,000 I might be being lied to. I hadn't even met Dr. Ochsner yet and wasn't supposed to for... 81 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:49,000 To reassure Judith of his official status Oswald took her downtown to meet another... 82 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:59,000 There on the wall, there it was, this man was the head of the FBI in Chicago. He carried... 83 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:06,000 He had all kinds of credentials and he affirmed that Lee was working on an... 84 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:15,000 Judith was even more impressed when Lee later took her to the third floor of Bannister's... 85 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:31,000 Lee told me that he was in New Orleans for several reasons. One of them was to make a... 86 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:36,000 He was part of this, but he had several other projects he was also working on. He was a... 87 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:48,000 Less than a week in New Orleans had turned Judith's life upside down. With the arriva... 88 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:58,000 I knew I was falling in love with Lee Oswald and I knew Lee was falling in love with me... 89 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:08,000 Lee told me at that time that he had beaten his wife, Marina, and he was sorry and we... 90 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:16,000 And I had nothing to do with anyone who was violent. I believe if Lee had not told me... 91 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:26,000 But she did. Robert had found lucrative employment in the Gulf of Mexico and had o... 92 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:33,000 On May 3rd, he kisses me, we have a wonderful tumble in bed and then he's gone. He'll be... 93 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:42,000 Left alone in New Orleans, the newlywed needed secure accommodation. Lee came to h... 94 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:53,000 Lee Oswald moved me into 1032 Marengo Street on May 4th, 1963 and we spent most of the ... 95 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:58,000 Nobody knows, they say, what Lee Oswald was doing on May 4th, but I do. 96 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:14,000 The most important entrance to 1032 Marengo was here in the back. And next to this doo... 97 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:30,000 The owner of 1032 Marengo was a widow named Susie Hanover. She had the back half, we h... 98 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:38,000 She liked Lee very much and had known him for a long time, apparently, from the time he ... 99 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:48,000 Shortly after moving in, Judith had a meeting with Alton Ochsner at this hospital, her... 100 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:58,000 Lee accompanied me there and told me that he had to go in first to talk to Dr. Ochsner.... 101 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:09,000 When I went in, Dr. Ochsner began to explain to me, and I had already been apprised a... 102 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:16,000 And this clearly had to do with working with these deadly cancer strains that he knew I... 103 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:25,000 The idea was to try and get Castro ill, very ill, and eliminated through what seemed a... 104 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:39,000 The attractiveness of the plan that Dr. Ochsner and Dr. Sherman and David Ferry we... 105 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:45,000 And that could lead to war, World War III maybe, if Russia intervened. 106 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:59,000 This was considered, in my mind, a noble experiment, a noble attempt to do away wit... 107 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:12,000 At any rate, at the end of the summer, he promised me that I would skip two years of... 108 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:24,000 After the meeting agreed to join the kill Castro medical team, Judith and Lee were... 109 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:31,000 Rain or shine, Lee and I would get off the bus and we'd walk this way to go to Riley... 110 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:41,000 And what we would do is go through these doors. He would go that direction to the... 111 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:48,000 I would go to the left, up into the executive suites where I worked as a secretary for M... 112 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:57,000 These pay slips and this tax statement confirmed Judith's employment at Riley's.... 113 00:13:57,000 --> 00:14:10,000 Incredibly, this simple kitchen had been turned into a secret laboratory. It was he... 114 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:23,000 It was my job to work with 50 to 60 mice at a time and these mice had large tumors that ... 115 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:29,000 These animals had already been inoculated with cancer when they were weanling mice,... 116 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:37,000 And in a matter of a week or so, the cancer that they had developed at this time, the... 117 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:50,000 So to the point where they could hardly drag these huge tumors along. And we would... 118 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:56,000 We were interested in the weight and how fast these tumors grew. We were after a vicious... 119 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:06,000 And all the tumor material that seemed to be most vigorous was then placed in a blender... 120 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:14,000 And the other thing that we were doing was making tissue cell cultures from the most... 121 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:23,000 Judith regularly took these materials and her reports from Ferri's lab to Dr. Mary... 122 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:35,000 Down there is St. Charles Street where the streetcar would just drop me off. And then... 123 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:50,000 Crossed into where these people are entering and went inside and inside is a nice... 124 00:15:51,000 --> 00:16:02,000 Dr. Mary Sherman was not a person who was anything but gracious and an honorable lad... 125 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:12,000 I felt these contacts were necessary so that there would be some way for her to report ... 126 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:16,000 So I could go into Tulane in the fall, which was still the plan. 127 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:25,000 Mary Sherman secretly carried out vital work on the bio weapon at another location. Osw... 128 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:37,000 The work that we were doing without Lee Oswald it couldn't have been accomplished.... 129 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:50,000 And they were exchanging materials all the time. They were using a linear particle... 130 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:57,000 I was never there myself personally, but I understood that what I was getting was... 131 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:06,000 Confined to her kitchen lab, Judith was to spend many hours in Ferry and Oswald's... 132 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:13,000 We had been talking about my dog Sparky the day before. Sparky was a bad little dog wh... 133 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:22,000 They said they wanted to introduce me to another Sparky, also a dog who couldn't... 134 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:27,000 Only much, much later did I learn that this was Jack Ruby and I never connected the tw... 135 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:36,000 He was very interested in what we were doing there in the lab and David Ferry openly... 136 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:46,000 And then he turned his attention to Lee and mentioned some things that showed me that ... 137 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:53,000 I've known him ever since he was a little boy, when he was at parties and things lik... 138 00:17:54,000 --> 00:18:01,000 No official investigation into Kennedy's assassination has found any connection... 139 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:09,000 In May 1963, Oswald moved into an apartment on Magazine Street, a short walk from... 140 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:14,000 He was joined from Dallas by his pregnant wife Marina and their baby daughter June. 141 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:24,000 From time to time, if he had an argument with Marina, he would simply go to my apartment... 142 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:33,000 As this was a very busy street, we could get on a bus at any time. And of course we did... 143 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,000 And so we saw each other daily. 144 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:44,000 We really locked in with a lot of affection. We enjoyed each other's company. 145 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:48,000 The traction was incredible and a lot of it was chemistry. 146 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:50,000 A lot of it was just personality. 147 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:57,000 Lee and I tried not to sleep together because of our marriage obligations. 148 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:01,000 But the fact is, it was a losing battle. 149 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:13,000 And between Lee's disappointment with Marina and my disappointment with my husband, and... 150 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:16,000 We found such great pleasure in just being together. 151 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:23,000 Clay Shaw, a close confidant of Oxnard's and a leading New Orleans businessman, helped ... 152 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:29,000 Later, he was to go on trial for conspiring to kill Kennedy, only to be acquitted. 153 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:35,000 Clay Shaw felt sorry for Lee and me. So he set up so we could actually go to a few... 154 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,000 And each time we went into separate rooms. 155 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:43,000 But at those times we had all the room service, we had food, and we had privacy. 156 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:45,000 And this is in the afternoons. 157 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,000 So he was always home by night. 158 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:50,000 But we couldn't help ourselves. 159 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:56,000 Lee Oswald was a man who was attractive to me, not only physically, but also... 160 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,000 We enjoyed our music. We enjoyed our music. 161 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:02,000 We enjoyed talking. And we enjoyed being in bed together with each other. 162 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:11,000 As the young lovers were drawn deeper into Alton Oxnard's project, they became... 163 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:24,000 What Dr. Oxnard and Dr. Mary Sherman and David Ferri were doing was assembling vari... 164 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:42,000 And they were involved with both that could be used against Castro and against insurge... 165 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:51,000 However, the cancer virus they intended for Castro was proving to be not potent enough... 166 00:20:51,000 --> 00:21:00,000 I convinced Dr. Oxnard and others that the real thing we need to do is pull down... 167 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:10,000 And then when the cancer is introduced into his body, it would be found in his blood... 168 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:18,000 He'd be ejected again and again. Supposedly he'd be getting treatments to kill the can... 169 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:28,000 That could be done. In other words, Castro could be eliminated by using the x-ray and... 170 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:44,000 Judith and Lee felt intense pressure to succeed. They were horrified to learn that... 171 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:54,000 We were aware of this through David Ferry, who had infiltrated groups who were planni... 172 00:21:55,000 --> 00:22:06,000 By focusing on Cuba, if Castro were dead and taking over Cuba again, everybody would be... 173 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:18,000 Everybody would be happy if Castro were out of the picture. Otherwise, it seemed that... 174 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:25,000 And a lot of these people had a lot of power. It was a frightening thing for me to hear... 175 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:34,000 But for Agent Oswald, the Kill Castro project was only one of several undercover... 176 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:43,000 First of all, he and Guy Banister went out and worked with students trying to uncover... 177 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:52,000 They were getting ready to leave for the summer and Guy Banister was convinced that... 178 00:22:52,000 --> 00:23:04,000 On the other hand, as soon as these students left, which was at the end of May when sch... 179 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:13,000 Because he was supposed to be a pro-Castro person, eventually to be groomed enough an... 180 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:22,000 This alleyway behind Riles had often provided Oswald with the means of slipping away... 181 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,000 But by mid-July, those days were drawing to an end. 182 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:34,000 They needed an excuse to fire Lee because he actually fulfilled all the anti-Castro thi... 183 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:41,000 And he was moving into a new phase, and that was to promote his pro-Castro image. That ... 184 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:47,000 No, I would very definitely say that I marked this as correct, but that does not mean... 185 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:58,000 Pamphleteering, all kinds of things to make him look like a pro-Castro maniac... 186 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,000 So, of course, they did not want Lee Oswald on the premises anymore. 187 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:07,000 Lee was fired on a pretext, and Judith soon followed because of her associations with... 188 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:15,000 But her hard work at the lab had paid off. The cancer virus required just one final t... 189 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:24,000 It was made clear to me, and I felt very badly about it, that human volunteers,... 190 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:33,000 When this was made, when I realized that this was happening, I had some ethical objections. 191 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:40,000 The plan was to bring prisoners to this Louisiana mental hospital from the Angola... 192 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:47,000 Here, they would be injected with the cancer virus created to kill Castro, to prove its... 193 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:55,000 Well, I did something I had been told not to do. I wrote a note to Dr. Oxner, and I sig... 194 00:24:55,000 --> 00:25:07,000 And in it, I protested the use of human beings at this stage in the project, under... 195 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:15,000 They were not aware that they were going to be injected with live cancer cells, and th... 196 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,000 And, of course, they weren't going to be volunteering for that. 197 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:29,000 So I did object, and Oxner called me on the phone, and he was furious, and said, I nev... 198 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:37,000 If I had any objections, I should have told him in person. And he said at that time th... 199 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,000 And then he slammed the phone down. 200 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:49,000 By expendable, he meant, it was very clear to me and Lee both, that they could get rid o... 201 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:55,000 Because this was a project that was much, much bigger than any little Lee Oswald or ... 202 00:25:56,000 --> 00:26:06,000 So, in late August, Oswald and Ferry arrived in the small town of Clinton, 130 miles fr... 203 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:16,000 Here they met a hospital orderly and awaited phone instructions on where to join the... 204 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:26,000 It was necessary for David Ferry to make the initial injections. There's a doctor up th... 205 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,000 That was the first thing, and David knew how to do injections. 206 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:36,000 Secondly, Lee had to come along because he had learned all these special techniques t... 207 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:49,000 And so, as the experiment was successful, he was selected as the ideal person to take... 208 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:59,000 And those materials would then be taken over to Cuba and handed over in Cuba to a membe... 209 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:13,000 So that's why Lee Oswald had to be there. Lee Oswald, the orderly, and Clay Shaw, and of... 210 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:30,000 They all went at the same time. The orderly that was with them that they had picked up... 211 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:38,940 Judith's and Ferry's 212 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:54,000 ethical objections to the tests at Jackson had made an enemy of Alton Oschner, but sh... 213 00:27:54,000 --> 00:28:07,000 This test had to be done within 72 hours, and on August 31, 1963, Lee Oswald drove me up... 214 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:19,000 I was taken by the orderly up through a freight elevator and then into this area.... 215 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:33,000 and I noticed at once that he was thrashing about, and he didn't even know where he wa... 216 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:50,000 And I did finish my reports. I realized that the method we had hit 100% here, with this... 217 00:28:50,000 --> 00:29:05,000 But Alton Oschner's anger at Judith was unabated, and he reneged on his promise of... 218 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:13,000 But the young lovers were determined that their affair would not die. They met for t... 219 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:29,000 It was a time of grief and a time of great joy too, because just being with each othe... 220 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:45,000 This was not goodbye. This was au revoir. We wanted very much to meet again, not only m... 221 00:29:45,000 --> 00:30:02,000 Both of us felt quite neglected by them. Lee told me about a city called Merida that wa... 222 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:18,000 And it was the last time I saw him in the flesh, except for a brief glance at him th... 223 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:34,000 He's dressed in flip flops and a pair of plain pants and a white t-shirt, and he's... 224 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:48,000 At Jackson, within a month of Judith's departure, the first prisoner injected wit... 225 00:30:48,000 --> 00:31:02,000 But his trip was a catastrophe. The drop for the flasks containing the serum was a... 226 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:11,000 He began to do everything he said he possibly could think of that might make him get a... 227 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:20,000 And he said at the last, if that didn't work, he even tried to figure out ways himself t... 228 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:29,000 Frantic efforts in Mexico City to secure a Cuban transit visa failed, and a... 229 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:39,000 In Dallas, his handlers told him that Hurricane Flora had brought chaos to Cuba,... 230 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:49,000 He would be getting a job just like he had at Riley. It was all set up in advance at thi... 231 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:56,000 In the weeks before the assassination, Lee was still able to confide in Judith thanks... 232 00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:06,000 He did manage to set up through the mafia a special phone line using their racing... 233 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,000 And that was perfectly free. We didn't have to spend a nickel. 234 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:22,000 During the 14 or 15 telephone calls that Lee and I exchanged, most of them to me, these... 235 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:29,000 the tone of the conversations as time wore on got more and more desperate in a way. 236 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:37,000 Lee was penetrating a ring that he had gotten introduced into by David Ferri and Clay Shaw, 237 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:48,000 and Lee put on the robes of one who was interested in sincerely assassinating the... 238 00:32:48,000 --> 00:33:05,000 It was pretty well known to me by just a little bit before the assassination that... 239 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:11,000 They didn't get him at one event, one of the others. He didn't know that he might be at... 240 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:19,000 He even told me the second last phone call we had that that they might call him and ask ... 241 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:28,000 And the day I'm talking about became more and more indistinct to him because every time ... 242 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:32,000 Kennedy's arrival in Dallas was now only five days away. 243 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:39,000 When Lee called me on Sunday, November 17th, this was a very harrowing call for me. 244 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:46,000 I'm talking to a man who says, don't feel sorry for me. You've got to understand tha... 245 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:53,000 I might be able to save the president. He said, that's worth dying for. He said, I'm... 246 00:33:53,000 --> 00:34:00,000 I'm just scared about leaving my kids behind and they'll think maybe I did it because... 247 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:09,000 He's talking this way on Sunday. He had the idea that he never probably would have liv... 248 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:15,000 You're just getting started in life. He said, no, he said, I'm like a lily. He said, tha... 249 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:22,000 Okay. Anyway, he said, just please don't feel sorry for me. This is, I might have a chan... 250 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:27,000 And that was so important to him in every way. 251 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:54,000 On Wednesday, November 20th, 1963, Judith, frantic with worry, called Lee at his... 252 00:34:54,000 --> 00:35:01,000 He returned her call that evening from a payphone less than 38 hours before Kennedy... 253 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:12,000 Our last conversation lasted over an hour and a half. Lee was trying to assure me that h... 254 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:17,000 that were involved with him in this matter who were trying to save the president. 255 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:22,000 It's like one group is trying to kill and the other group is going to try to abort. 256 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:30,000 But he made clear to me there wasn't any way that he could actually remove himself from... 257 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:40,000 He almost rejoiced that he had been able to penetrate it. It was something that fulfil... 258 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:46,000 And that is somebody who might be able to make a tremendous difference if he could... 259 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:56,000 On the other hand, if he had removed himself, his wife, his little girl, his little baby... 260 00:35:56,000 --> 00:36:01,000 We would have been eliminated. And of course, he would have died anyway. 261 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:07,000 He was in too deep. He couldn't withdraw. It was too late. 262 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:17,000 And then he said, if I stay, there'll be one less bullet fired at Kennedy. 263 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:23,000 And my heart just turned over because I thought that was such a courageous thing t... 264 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:29,000 And then he said, you know, look at all the people have kids. He said, you're smart an... 265 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:35,000 He says, please have children for me. Have babies. Please have babies for me. 266 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:40,000 So I had five. I had five babies. 267 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:49,000 And he said that I can't go on right now. 268 00:36:49,000 --> 00:37:09,000 In the final minutes of our call, he gave me some of the concerns he had, the most he h... 269 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:25,000 And the most he had been able to find out that there was a connection between the... 270 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:35,000 He said never to forget their names and that this was a big event going on at that time... 271 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:47,000 Bobby Baker was a corrupt business associate of Vice President Lyndon Johnson. So was... 272 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:58,000 And then he said, you know how we've tried and worried about who in the world my hand... 273 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:06,000 He said, I think it's David Atlee Phillips. He said, and I don't want you to forget. H... 274 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:17,000 Phillips was a high ranking CIA official in Mexico City in charge of covert action at ... 275 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:22,000 He told me goodbye. We were both crying. 276 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:32,000 And I told him I'd never forget it was long as he lived. And he said that that might b... 277 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:36,000 Of course, I meant as long as I lived. 278 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:47,000 So that's the way it was. And I wonder how I'm going to keep my mouth shut. And I kne... 279 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:58,000 And I just prayed to God he'd make it. And then he said, would you pray for me? And h... 280 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:06,000 So I sent in our father with him and he said, I love you, Jude F. Key. 281 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:15,000 Hung up. That's all. That's all. That's it. 282 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:24,000 Less than 90 minutes after the assassination, Lee Harvey Oswald was arrested in the Oak... 283 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:29,000 Twelve hours later, he was charged with the murder of President Kennedy. 284 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:35,000 That evening, Judith in Gainesville received a frantic call from David Ferry in New... 285 00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:42,000 Dave said to me, you have to keep your mouth shut and your head down. He said, I know... 286 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:47,000 He started really losing it a little bit. And he said, everything's gone wrong. 287 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:55,000 I'm really concerned that, you know, maybe things won't go right, but you've just got... 288 00:39:55,000 --> 00:40:01,000 And he said, and I swear to you, I think he said, I swear on a stack of Bibles or I sw... 289 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:06,000 I am going now. I'm going to go all the way to Houston. I'm going to drive all the way... 290 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:13,000 Go to that little airport at Aleve, pick him up and we'll go over to Hull Field. 291 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:20,000 He'll get on the plane there. And he said, my boys will drive my car back to New Orleans... 292 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:30,000 Even if he said even if he didn't make it to Aleve, even so he'd be able to find out wh... 293 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:36,000 And just trust him and hang on and keep my mouth shut. And then he slammed the phone... 294 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:46,000 On the morning of Sunday, November 24th, Oswald was to be moved from the Dallas Cit... 295 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:51,000 The event was televised across the nation. In Florida, Judith was watching. 296 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:56,000 As I watched and I'm thinking they're transferring him, I knew he hadn't made it... 297 00:40:56,000 --> 00:41:00,000 He now he's been accused of killing the president. 298 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:05,000 And I'd seen over and over again some of the press conferences and things. 299 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:10,000 And I saw how much weight Lee had lost, how thin he'd gotten. 300 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:14,000 I saw the bruise on his over on his eye and the cut on him. 301 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:17,000 And I knew he who knows how they're punching him. 302 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:23,000 And the whole thing was to me, I could see he was just being mauled around and I knew he... 303 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,000 So I was feeling horrible. 304 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:32,000 And then I saw him come out and he's got a nice black sweater on and he's been shaved... 305 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:36,000 And my heart turned, I thought, oh, at last they're going to treat him better. 306 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,000 And then they shot him. 307 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,000 He's been shot. He's been shot. 308 00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,000 Lee Oswald has been shot. 309 00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,000 There's the man with a gun. 310 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,000 There's the man with a gun. 311 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:50,000 I think I don't know what happened to me. 312 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:54,000 I don't remember anything for literally for hours after he was shot. 313 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,000 And I was trying to see what happened. 314 00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,000 And my friend, I think, started to scream. 315 00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:05,000 I think I was crying and I knew he was dead. 316 00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:09,000 For the first time and only time in my life, I wanted to kill myself. 317 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,000 I didn't want to live anymore. 318 00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:18,000 Almost two weeks after Lee's murder, Ferry called Judith from New Orleans for the las... 319 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:22,000 warning her she would die if she ever revealed what she knew. 320 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:29,000 He reminded me that the good friend of Godfather of New Orleans, who was Carlos... 321 00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:38,000 that good friend Santos Traficante, was watching to see how I was behaving and tha... 322 00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:42,000 And he also told me I could no longer expect to shine in any area, 323 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:48,000 not to have any more nice little news clippings or make straight A's or any of... 324 00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:57,000 because I had to be a vanilla girl and be a nobody and keep my head down and make no... 325 00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:02,000 He abruptly ended the call, told me he could never contact me again. 326 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:09,000 He told me that I was never to speak about any of this to anybody again for all our o... 327 00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:16,000 And I never spoke to anybody about anything because I didn't want to die. 328 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:24,000 No more science work, no more trying to help anybody, no more trying to cure cancer. 329 00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:30,000 Everything had gone wrong, everything. 330 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:34,000 Judith kept her secret for 40 years, but with her children grown up, 331 00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:39,000 she finally decided to break her silence before it was too late. 332 00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:44,000 It's been a huge embarrassment to my family, to my children, a shock to them. 333 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:50,000 I've always raised them to be very moral and hear their mother is saying that she is, was, 334 00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:56,000 the mistress of an alleged assassin of the president of the United States. 335 00:43:56,000 --> 00:44:02,000 I want to make it clear that I'm making this statement at cost to me personally and to ... 336 00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:06,000 but that it is the right thing to do because Lee Oswald is an innocent man, 337 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:11,000 and my only and sole desire is to see his name cleared. 338 00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,000 Did you kill the president? 339 00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:19,000 No, I have not been charged with that. In fact, nobody has said that to me yet. 340 00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,000 Oswald, did you shoot the president? 341 00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,000 I didn't shoot anybody, sir. I haven't been told what I'm here for. 342 00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:24,000 Do you have a lawyer? 343 00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:25,000 No, sir, I don't. 344 00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:31,000 I do request someone to come forward to give me legal assistance.