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common than unsuccessful men with talent,
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a proverb, education will not, the world is
full of educated derelicts, persistence in

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the problems of the human race.

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Calvin Coolidge, 1933.

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Greetings and welcome, I'm your host and
navigator Richard Grove and this is a very

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episode of what you've been missing featuring
the gentle tone, scholarly insights and

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and icon of liberty who offers a lifetime of
perspectives on the origins, intentions and

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destiny of the compulsory public school
system.

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This five hour journey represents a landmark
in American history and was filmed over two

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days on July 4th weekend 2011 in the
Constitution State of Connecticut.

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work, but also embodies a return of our
birthright as human beings, truly an event

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and relative to each and every one of us.

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This message applies to children and adults,
parents and grandparents, students and

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administrators and politicians, blue collar,
white collar, no collar.

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information to thrive and survive in this
world.

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The purpose of this interview with John is to
provide each and every individual with

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the essential facts which pertain to our
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a species and yet have been censored from our
public schooling.

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The envisioned outcome would be for each and
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thereby succeeding in pursuing and attaining
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It's designed to be shared and studied by
individuals and groups to provide the

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organize the ideas and facilitate the
constructive conversations and actions

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the root causes of our ever growing
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of more than 30 classic books essential to
understanding life here on earth, I would

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humbly recommend that your first viewing be
invested into just soaking in this

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and consider it for yourself and after
thinking about it to then view it again wi...

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of looking up the references, to embolden
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your new expanded perspectives.

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that long to consume the primary and
secondary source materials referred to her...

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Most importantly what you get out of the
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to the amount of attention and focus that you
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As each hour of the interview progresses into
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That being said, the conversation which forms
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composed of facts and references pointing
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for the most part unknown to the general
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solve our way forward.

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We're not asking you to agree with us nor to
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trying to provoke you into looking into these
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an accurate map which leads to your own
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a thought without accepting it."

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Through these interview sessions with John
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of historical personalities and we hope
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And to that end, this is not about disproving
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human beings so that we might go forward in
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on this planet together.

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This is truly something that corporate
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afford to teach us.

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So without further ado let us begin as they
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and steel milling town of Monongahela about
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During his early school year as he spent a
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La Trobe, Pennsylvania, whereas you'll soon
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was beaten sufficiently by the nuns to create
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John did undergraduate work at Cornell
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University and then served in the United
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College, Yeshiva University, the University
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before finding his talent for teaching which
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After almost 30 years of teaching in New York
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New York State Teacher of the Year.

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Later in 1991, he wrote a letter announcing
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I Think" to the op-ed pages of the Wall
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to "hurt kids" to make a living.

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John Taylor Gatto which then launched a
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He then began a worldwide public speaking and
writing career and has received several

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awards from libertarian organizations
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in the Advancement of Educational Freedom in
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one of the 50 American states.

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Since his public resignation in 1991, he has
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something called "unschooling" and
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Open-source learning accepts that everything
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point on the road to self-mastery and a good
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you encounter in life is a potential teacher.

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In open-source, teaching is a function, not a
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Everyone learns and everyone can teach
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how to teach others.

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In open-source, students are the active
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you become an unwitting actor in someone
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The main thesis of John's body of work can
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the question, "What do public schools
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And answering it with the main themes
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"Dumming Us Down".

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function.

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Public schooling teaches confusion by
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It presents an ensemble of information that
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Public schooling teaches them to accept their
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Public schooling makes them indifferent and
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Public schooling also makes them
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Public schooling teaches them a kind of
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and authorities, also known as provisional
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Public schooling makes it clear to them that
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Information is sold in a variety of ways to a
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Bibliography, John's poetic prose and
diligent documentation can be studied in h...

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preponderance of publications, including,
"Dumming Us Down", "The Hidden Curriculum

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Kind of Teacher Solving the Crisis of
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of American Education", "2001", and in my
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as it stimulates your internal dialogue and
draws questions as to why are children being

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methodically undermined while simultaneously
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John also published an article called,
"Against School", published by Harper's

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in 2003, and last but not least, "Weapons of
Mass Instruction", a schoolteacher's journey

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through the dark world of compulsory
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John's website is johntaylorgato.com and you
can help him fund his current projects,

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Possibly one of the most useful tools is our
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We use the brain internally to help us
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Providing you with the metaphorical handles,
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Unlike any other interview you've ever
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is actually the starting point on your own
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Due to the fact that we're trying to do
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hour of this interview such that from the
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adjusted for theatrical purposes, as I feel
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to change the flow of energy as it happened.

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These interview sessions are designed to
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inspire you to look around, provoke you into
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Its function is to provide you with a ramp to
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and compassionate forms of communication as
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Here's our one of our interview with John
Taylor Gatto, it's time to begin

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Thank you for tuning in and not dropping out.

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about that.

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Father, Son, Holy Ghost, Grammar, Logic, and
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the Father, the Holy Ghost is Rhetoric, and
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encode it.

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Now my question to you is, is a metaphor a
lie, or is a metaphor something else?

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I think we better start a little less
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So everything I write goes through about 20
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painful to read and throw it out, but I don't
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what I believe until I actually argue with
what I think I believe, so what do you think

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I think I believe that the metaphor schooling
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We only use the expression one other way,
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and they are wonderful to watch when one fin
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I don't know who gives the original signal,
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that.

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I think it starts with the assumption that we
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where your apparent physical resemblance to
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and you stand absolutely alone, or you can
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It seems clear to me that the business of
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you do, or what Walter Lippmann said you do
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You steal the key language of the person you
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It's Newspeak in 1984, so the schooling
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is highly regarded, highly respected, and
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people are being ritualized, yeah, so there.

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So you describe that individual beings, when
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thinking power, and the law of identity, none
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ourselves, and that is constant throughout
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as going through these systems that are
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Very much so, and I think the awareness of
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to the theories of dialectic.

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in the same way, is essentially asking you
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what anyone says, especially as they claim
the authority ladder, is the truth.

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up the power pyramid, it comes from a malign
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So it's like a betrayal of truth that occurs,
a betrayal of belief in some authority

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that you want to believe in is true, and then
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Right, even in your own individual inner life
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I said the way I learned what I'm thinking is
to write something down that I think I

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believe, and then I argue with it and it
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I mean it takes years before I get to a core
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beyond this thing so that we're so well
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is to mistrust what you most are certain of,
to mistrust that, now it may survive, but

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it needs tested not once until you're
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self-reliant adult, or is it to whittle away
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It's certainly not the former in any way for
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Why shouldn't we ask and any school people
watching your film should begin immediately

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to ask politely why are we doing it?

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doesn't know why he or she's doing it,
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spin, that's why they're doing it, does it
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would dissolve.

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No one is able, you can answer the question
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I used to say to my classes, and over the
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center of Harlem and Spanish Harlem, and I
would say to all of them, you have a right

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at any time, you've got to be polite though
because I'm just human, to say why are we

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you have a right to opt out and do something
else as long as you don't run wild and bring

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the whole house down.

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It helped me grow year after year, not that
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this, and it was a continual expansion of my
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extra attention and my system couldn't
survive under the scrutiny because they wo...

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root cause of why your teaching career ended
it sounds like you started asking

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questions John and it sounded like the
question started with why with a

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question mark and then maybe you were asking
some other like in the 5w's plus

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how and you were actually getting observed
knowledge to myself question

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eventually the productive output of my
classes was so great inadvertently I

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didn't care well how the school measured
product but it was so great that I would

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leave baffled because they wouldn't see the
drama unfolding that they understood

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as schooling and they were right it was less
and less schooling and eventually

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the pressure became impossible since I sat
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and twenty individually written curricula I
never succeeded totally but I got

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close enough that when the principal would
drop by and only find nine people

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where the rest were so so yeah I couldn't
operate I couldn't function any

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longer because my physical strength wasn't up
to it so how did part of the

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strength of your actual teaching come from
releasing children from the

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huge amounts of it came from releasing anyone
who had an independent course to

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fall becoming that boy or girls assistant
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permission because they couldn't deal with
that kind of additional political

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pressure so what they would learn and bring
back would be like food for me I

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more than I learned at the two I really call
this I attended I used to say to

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my wife and it sounds fanciful as though oh
you must love children and which is

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not true I love people and people can be five
years old but but people who suck

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artificially extend childhood and there
really is no practical terminus for that

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if they can extend it through graduate school
and postgraduate what is the

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actual reason that their childhoods are being
extended what how to start I

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they marginalize themselves is the intimate
interrelationship between the

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economy and the way we train the young to the
extent that we once had a wildly

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Wisconsin Agricultural Society Lincoln said I
call this mudsil theory because he

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used that term Lincoln said the British are
financing the whole Western

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send their young sons over to make sure that
not a whole lot of attention is

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paid to ordinary people or people who live in
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training or worrying about because there's no
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Lincoln said look around you three-quarters
of our population has an

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independent livelihood and the quarter who
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as a consequence we don't have proletariat as
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Germany and in the European nations and we
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where it exists in this country which is in
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marriage they'll be served tea at their
machines and they'll be opera

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performances stage for just to keep them at
the machine because these

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value so the British are wrong but of course
the civil war changed that we're

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sold that it was a great crusade against
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that slavery was already dead it was
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generations not because of a moral transfer
transformation on the part of

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plantation owners but because the wives of
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we have all these new slaves and they're not
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brown so they I'm thinking right now I think
Vern Parrington but and a number

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of historians 50 years ago said slavery was
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the serfs Britain and the continent had done
this thing we were going to do it

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too but it gave a nobility to the necessity
to get rid of the southern

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could run circles around the northern
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produce the most compelling arguments for
this or that and so the south had to

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be gotten rid of from my understanding those
dry goods like cotton from the

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south that were produced by slaves were then
going to factories in the north

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paying too much overhead it cost a lot to
keep a whole family fed etc and there

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were letters exchanged and they actually
discovered it was cheaper why not make

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everyone a slave who doesn't know that
they're a slave and wage slightly right

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and think it's think only about the welfare
idea if you have a plantation

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somebody gets sick or too old to work you
can't in fact do the Simon will agree

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bet and get rid of them or what happens is
morale collapses so you have to care

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for them the discussions on the highest level
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that if they were wage sliders yeah yeah the
and furthermore people like

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Count Tolstoy was well aware of the hard core
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pulpits which were subsidized by the owners
could they couldn't find a zone

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where they could think clearly or someone
would say yeah here's the truth

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think about early forms of mass media
propaganda by from the pulpit or the

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together by intent the the family that began
Harper's publishers and had the

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very prestigious journal of the time Harper's
weekly Lewis Lapham the Lapham

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family well lapham's a very latter dad his
grandfather was in charge of Harper's

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in and he told me that his boyhood was filled
with foreign dignitaries in the

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homeless house gas or putting the thrown-back
glass wall and so you can

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actually trace the small number of families
behind the shit talk was which

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going on in Boston out in Cincinnati and
you'd want that and selectively ideas and

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ways of thinking were introduced to the best
people and they use their local

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second American Revolution between oh I don't
know 1865 and about 1910 this time

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the British won again but they didn't win by
force of arms but by force of

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intense pride and really were the key to the
prosperity of early industrial

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operation commercial operation when the
skilled workers understood their power

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then industry and commerce were mechanized
intensely and you wiped out

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argument Carnegie was was instrumental in
eliminating the the influence of

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skilled labor and it continued right to the
20th century what influence have the

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family can actually be traced way back in
Dutch history there's an ancestor of

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the Rockefellers who set up a rather detailed
plan for global government

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hundreds and hundreds of years ago and that
is one of these flow charts that

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that Rockefeller and Carnegie's families were
fringe people in the United

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States but using their using their brilliant
insight into leverage and how

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Rockefeller actually

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pyramid it into quite a bit. Rockefeller
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his father, I believe, but it may have been
his grandfather,

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fled a rape charge, sort of like Strauss-Cons
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He had been charged with rape of a maid and
fled.

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emblematic of how they were, behind Horatio
Alger, who also had been charged with rape

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up here in Connecticut, and the Newsboys
Lodging House. And if you read a wonderful

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Rise of the Dangerous Classes in New York
City by the Creator of American Adoption.

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When I started a research school, I kept
running into the same people who put the

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the same names flowed in and out of one
another. Charles Loring Brace, who I belie...

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the publisher of the Hartford Courant, I'm
almost sure in his early diary say, "I mus...

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going to do that, but finally it occurred to
him that with these masses of immigrants

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in to break the Irish labor monopoly in the
mines and the mills, that the easiest way ...

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of the labor force, you cut the unit value of
the labor in half, but you couldn't do tha...

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they were worried about their kids. So now
you have the impetus to enlarge the social

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the kids? Well, the expression put up for
adoption tells you you don't want them

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neighborhood, you want them far away, so you
put them in boxcars. This great secret

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west. They started upstate New York, that was
too close, so they kept going farther and

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and then they'd stop at a whistle stop, and a
platform would be brought out, the boxcar

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They wanted Lutherans to adopt because they
had the episcopal idea of hierarchy,

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but they were just dumb farmers, they
couldn't think clearly. Here was free labo...

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was the police chiefs of the west. I think
the year was 1888, but give me a few years

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in the west, and if you go to the
psychological abstracts, you'll find that ...

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of adopted children, for example, six of the
10 leaving mass murderers in American

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in place. Again, not morally, there's a
recent physiological theory called mere

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you learn to use your own biological
equipment by watching people who have the

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and Savoy Fair and civil, they're more civil,
doesn't matter. You're actually imitating

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your physiology can accommodate. As a
consequence, you get incrementally more an...

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between different areas from occurring.
That's what the short answer test is about,

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and Oxford and Cambridge got rid of it 100
years ago, 800 years ago, because they said

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connect the bits of information. When they
seem to be able to connect the bits of

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it's because they've memorized someone else's
connections. The better the school, the more

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where you guys are all too young to remember.
They used to sell machines that would reli...

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stress of lifting weights. You put the weight
in your hand, but the machine would lift y...

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machinery didn't. Well, it looks exactly the
same. Anyway, put me back on course here.

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Is there any connection between frustration
and aggression, and what effect does

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your volition in all important way. Even who
you speak to are not the arts of association

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as valuable or more valuable than anything
else you learn when you're young. I read how

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hired for. I'm thinking of Apple now, I
believe. Is this the person we would like ...

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three years from now, bend an elbow with, or
play golf with, or just talk with? I mean,

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he's okay. You know, we can, but we don't
tell kids that, right? It's people who have

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the highest grade point average and the
highest SAT scores. Well, I spent an hour

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and about 30 years ago, an hour with the
admissions director at Princeton. And let ...

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polite dismissal of grades and SAT scores was
intimidating to listen to, as if you'd have

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Of course, you get into both by donating a
building, but how do other people get in?

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They're being analyzed on the basis of their
ability to either become wealthy or famous...

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Jody Foster, "I went to Princeton." Look at
where the rest of the actors and directors

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didn't go anywhere, but Jody did, so that's
the one we hear about. The Harvard lady said,

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first 18 years of your life, figuring out how
to add value to the people around you,

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although I shouldn't say this in a way that
catches public attention. So you might walk

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Ocean as a physical way. You might start a
little charity or set up some weather serv...

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pollution monitoring around Hartford. There
are a small fraction, but a substantial

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around them. Then the other fellow, the
Princeton guy, said the same thing in

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at first?" And the answer metaphorically
caused my jaw to open. "Hobbies," he said....

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honest information you're likely to get. How
does someone spend their time

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when it's their free choice to spend?" He
said, "It's a window into their mind and

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hobby, and a social hobby." Because that
would show they're exploring these large,

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well, physical hobbies. You mean football,
baseball. Well, he said, "It's better than

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ability to work in a team. He said, "What
happens in a team sport is if you decide t...

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it's very hard to tell which guy on the line
has dogged it or not, or which running pac...

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danger." You mean you want kids to put their
necks at rent? For example, what? I said, ...

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horseback riding is a dead giveaway. The
horseways are half a ton or more. If you d...

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horseman. If the horse doesn't like you,
it'll roll over on top of you." And I know

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because that last time I rode a horse was
down in Veracruz, Mexico. The horse took m...

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main highway with crazed Mexican drivers
going 100 miles an hour and 18 wheelers, a...

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wheelers and it laid down on top of me I was
terrified because I could see these

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trucks coming didn't like that last time I
rode so he said you have to actually

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know what you're doing you can't say is this
an a job or a big job if you live

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footers outside of land if you don't know
what you're doing you end up in the

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middle of the Atlantic you know or or if wind
comes up you can't see landmarks

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because the waves I said but those things are
associated with the prosperous

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just let somebody in this is probably one of
the nicest

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factoids in my mind in my life we just let
someone in who invented his own

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sport and kept records competing against
himself his past performance his

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riding over broken terrain if I had ten
lifetimes the thought of doing that

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wouldn't occur started getting on a unicycle
let alone one without a seat

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let alone riding it over broken terrain so
they let him in because they knew he

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people who tell the lies believe the laws
well surely they're going to take

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valedictorians well last year harvard turned
down eight out of every ten

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valedictorians who applaud and the two they
took in they didn't take in because

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imagination you can control to some extent
who even applies for it and then

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who gets in who applies because they don't
know what they're doing what's the

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friend who started a tutoring service called
the Princeton review and oh 20

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years ago they were charging $300 an hour I
have no idea what they charge now but

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Adam Robinson was his name Adam took his
money and left the Princeton review to

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his partner but Adam has written a book well
worth I think your group looking

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certain that you could pass standardized
tests without having any knowledge of the

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architects were under for example two of the
four answers offered are always so

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absurd that if you know that now you're left
with a 50 50 guess I had figured out

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when I was in high school that if you had
some way to measure the angles on the

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arrive at the answer simply by you know
simplistic means the evidence that all of

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us know standardized tests don't measure what
they claim to measure is that

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hiring somebody on the basis of those tests
or in grade point averages you'd

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be playing Russian roulette because they
measure nothing the grades largely

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measure that you memorize what you're told to
memorize I mean there are a few

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obedient and probably for clerk that is a
good measure not for someone who asks

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to adapt to changing circumstances you know
by the natural selection process of

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retain the ability to think independently
from the dead in front of

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reality so no one will hire you as a CEO and
ask you what you're saying but but

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if you examine the data that's available
about big-time politicians now we

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one was a C average in high school prep
school and a C average at Yale what does

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surprise people is that the candidate he ran
against was a C average in prep

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school and a C average at Yale and a lower C
average than George Bush's and

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nation has been schooled to the point of
extinction is that they were fraternity

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brothers at Yale in a fraternity I'll skip
it's interesting reputation only

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mean mathematically I wouldn't know how to
set the odds but they would be

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stupendous no one mentioned it or if they did
it was to quickly get over that

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that should have been headlines what the New
York Times the Washington Post

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that it was the skull and bones fraternity so
when the skew from sanity is

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that of that magnitude you should not expect
much to come from the watchdogs

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there's a Jewish expression Hutzpah unless
this feeling of contempt for

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ordinary people was very dramatic we could
I'm sure someone in the council

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you how powerless to believe for example
another example that the recent

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banking crisis you know the real estate
bubble it is an oddity in American

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there have been five of those in the central
figure in all five is the city

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bank of New York now sometimes it's called
First National that's back in

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61 then it becomes city bank then it merges
with another huge court and has

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the safeguards built into you know the
founding documents or built into

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tradition as ordinary people and includes
upper middle class ordinary

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infinitely more sophisticated than us with a
5,000-year civilization who are

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even more a moral than we are and look at
starving 3 million people to death as

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already running circles I've spoken in China
half a dozen times for various

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groups and the Chinese government is a little
bit worried not a lot that their

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constrain the inventive imagination the
reason they're not worried is they

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don't recognize copyright law or patent law
so they have access to anything

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there but they will not accept they keep
asking me to buy they will not accept

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the imagination and produces invention so I
mean I'm happy to take their money

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and get a chance to see Xi'an and Shanghai
and Beijing but they will

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in China they have the outcome based
education system but they're seeking to

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tweak it so that they can they can kind of
improve it they said that we want to

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keep our people under control but we want
them to be more creative and

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productive and efficient and happy while
they're doing it right now the

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question is if America has become more
incoherent wouldn't that be a function

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control the workers and make more profits and
now it's just run its course the

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it's run its course we're exhausted now our
schooling is exhausted and the

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national vitality has been exhausted the I'm
glad you used the the term in

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editorial page accused us of being an inco
you may have read the same piece I

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did an incoherent society that we had lost a
reason to be a nation at all

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proceed in history yeah we're incoherent we
don't nation comes from the root

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family and we we no longer have a concern
other than a rhetorical concern

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but the government clearly has no such
concern we have evolved an economy that

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depends upon constant warfare and even though
it was stretching it in Iraq and

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those are over, we must have another
conflict. We're going to have to stretch

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it even further. Maybe a tech, small islands,
Fiji maybe, because they

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something a war where the enemy has no army,
navy, air force, intelligence,

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service, where they blow up their feet in
their underwear, it just stretches the

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from a television comedian who said, "When
you fly planes into a building, it

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certainly shows you have courage." And that
was temporarily the end of his

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yeah, no. To look at America between, let me
roughly say, 1800 and 1865. And

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invention and it comes from the unlikeliest
places. It does not come from

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university-trained inventories. It comes from
everywhere. It's the way people saw

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the world around them. They saw the elements,
the raw material. They

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rhetorical capacity to say, "Hey, look,
there's a better way to do this." It was

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happening so frequently that a crisis
occurred in capitalism. And without

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understanding this crisis, you really can't
understand why our schools of the

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Vanderbilt family, the great capitalist
families, they understood that the real

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problem in successful capitalism is
assembling capital, getting people to

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you have people in an inventive matrix who
can look at the way the expanse of

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business is doing things, open up across the
street and either do it cheaper or

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better, or simply open up somewhere else
where no one is doing it. Capital

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what really is a brilliant insight, but I
want to crave credit. It was openly

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discussed, let me say from 1880 to 1900, we
were being forcibly converted from an

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economy of small farmers, small engineers,
entrepreneurs, into a corporate

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could see that as long as the American
inventiveness was loose like a wild

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beast, they were going to have a lot of
trouble pulling care. Someone would say,

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had for a different reason, had been out to
destroy the imagination. And let me

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say to anyone listening to this, when someone
makes a reckless statement like

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that, you make sure they can document it. And
I will document it as long as you're

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worth its salt in the United States and in
every college library, you will find

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a collection of essays by a Prussian
philosopher, Johann Fichte, who was the

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immediate heir to the University of Berlin's
Philosophy Department, which

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public essays to the Prussian king from,
let's say, let me say, 18, 8 to about

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1818. They're called addresses to the German
nation. And the provocative event

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economy, renting soldiers, stealing other
people's stuff, had been whipped by

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Napoleon's amateur army at the Battle of
Vienna in 186. And Fichte said it was

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because this demon imagination was loose
among ordinary soldiers and in

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and that's why we lost. Now, what should
fascinate anyone listening is. That's

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exactly what the so-called liberal
philosopher Spinoza in Holland had said

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Religious Politicus, Traktotus Religious
Politicus. Spinoza said that the

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ordinary population was so psychologically
diseased, murderously so, there

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the disobedience gene in people who thought
for themselves. Fichte said we

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have to set up a system of forced schooling,
universal forced schooling,

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rankings. Now, if it were only those two
major figures, but you now can go back a

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few hundred years in history to John Calvin's
Institute to the Christian

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yourself to read it, rather than to read what
an encyclopedia tells you it says,

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you'll find that Calvin says that the saved
are saved before they're born, the

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work or behavior can save the damned, and no
amount of evil behavior can damn the

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saved. The expression that used to be pretty
common, but it's vanished, I think

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on purpose, is justified sinners. The saved
are justified sinners who can do

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Americans. You know, you've done no harm
according to Calvin. Calvin said the

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only way the elect, he called it the same,
the elect will be ever be safe because

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they're outnumbered so heavily, is to set up
a system of universal compulsion

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the head with Gorbache. Spinoza said the same
thing, Fictus said the same thing.

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I think we just ran out of tape, is that what
happened? Is that one still running?

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But it has no micro. Alright, so we're going
to take a 10 minute break. Oh good.

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We're going to change the tapes, we're going
to turn all these lights out, we're

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going to turn the AC back on and cool you
off, if you want to get up and move