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Welcome to Disclosure.

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I'm your host, David Wilcock.

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And in this episode, I am continuing to interview the great hero of exposing the Federal Reserve,

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G. Edward Griffin.

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And specifically, we're going to be talking about two different subjects in this episode.

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The first one may really shock you.

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We're going to see photographs of what appears to be something that is totally non-constitutional,

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extrajudicial.

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We're going to see the New York Police Department colluding with the Federal Reserve banks and

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the intelligence agencies for a single facility where they are literally using the spy cam

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footage from the cameras mounted on the streets around Wall Street to put people under surveillance.

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And you've got desks for the Federal Reserve, desks for Goldman Sachs.

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Why the heck should they have access to all the surveillance footage of everybody that's

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in Wall Street?

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That's pretty crazy in and of itself.

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That'll be an interesting discussion.

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Secondly, we're going to talk about the McCarthy era.

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Most people sort of blow that off if they even know about it at all.

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The idea of the Red Scare that the communists are invading.

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But in my work, Financial Tyranny, I've described how the U.S.

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and the USSR at the highest, highest levels were actually working together.

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Now, certainly even people in high level government positions didn't necessarily know this,

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but the people that were pulling the strings certainly did.

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And so there were actually agents of the Communist Party that had gotten implanted in America

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that were in fact using both sides to play against the middle.

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And this was something that Senator Joe McCarthy found out about.

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He was actually a whistleblower who started this communist Red Scare investigation to

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try to break the cabal apart.

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It did not succeed, but it's a very interesting part of history that most people overlook.

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And G. Edward Griffin wrote a whole book about it.

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So check it out.

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Ed, we're going to show everyone who watches this video a series of astonishing photographs

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of a large centralized office for the New York Police Department,

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in which they have banks upon banks of monitors that are linked to surveillance cameras in

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and around Wall Street.

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The mayor of New York is involved.

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The New York Police Department is involved, but also very clearly in this big surveillance center,

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they have a desk for Goldman Sachs.

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They have a desk for Bank of America, and they have a desk for the Federal Reserve System.

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This seems to be treason of the highest order for the police and the banking system to

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be colluding on enacting surveillance against Wall Street.

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What the hell is going on here?

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Well, yeah, I understand what you're saying, David, and I agree with the import of your question.

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It looks very suspicious, doesn't it?

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Like taxpayer money is being used for a private purpose, for like as a private security firm.

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The New York Police Department has been turned into a private security agency for the banks,

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and we're paying for it, or at least New Yorkers are paying for it.

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That's one view, and I think there's a lot of validity to it.

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And it can be bolstered, though, from the other side by saying, well, yeah, but it's

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in the best interest of society because the banks are targets, and we can see all these

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angry demonstrators petitioning, and the next thing you know, they'll be rioting against

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Wall Street.

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They may be throwing fire bombs into the buildings, and the banks will burn down, and people will

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lose their money, and the banking system will collapse, and America will collapse.

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And it's in the best interest of America to protect the banks, you know, that's how

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the argument goes.

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And a lot of people say, oh, yeah, that makes sense.

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We do want to protect our financial infrastructure, right?

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Well, so yeah, there's an argument to it, but we know better, don't we?

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We know that even though that's true, that there is a national interest in protecting

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the financial infrastructure, making sure that it's not destroyed by acts of violence, and

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that is true, even though, in spite of that, we also know that the banks have undue influence

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with the cities and the states and the national governments, and they are getting very favorable

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treatment.

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And I'm sure that once somebody decides to really look into that and follow the money,

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they'll find out that taxpayers are paying way more than they think to protect the integrity

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of the banks.

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And this banking cartel that we've been discussing, what I'm specifically thinking of now is something

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you read about all the time, people who write about this, the Freemasonry or the Masonic

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Order.

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Now, we know through various investigative journalists that you go through a series

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of degrees, and you swear upon pain of death that you will ever conceal and never reveal

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the secrets of the order.

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And we also know that when you get up to the seventh degree of Freemasonry called Royal

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Arch Mason, that you swear that you will cover up anything that your fellow Masons

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do that's illegal, including acts of murder and acts of treason.

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Is it possible that Freemasonry is being used as a cover so that secrecy is in place?

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And if so, is there some central creed to this group?

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Is there some internal collusion, some philosophy that binds them together that makes them feel

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different from everyone else and perhaps also superior to everyone else?

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It's not my area of expertise.

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And I know what you're talking about.

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I've seen documents supporting exactly what you're saying, and they look like they're

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authentic to me.

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I have also talked to people that say, well, that's not true.

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That's not really that way at all.

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I remember when I was in school, I joined a paternity.

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I was a big paternity guy on campus.

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And we had secrets like that.

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And as I recall, we had to swear that we would do something like that.

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Nobody took it seriously.

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We'd have a drink of beer.

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Oh, yeah.

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That was the...

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OK, we're done with that ceremony now.

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Let's go on, do something more interesting.

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I'm not trying to lighten it by sloughing it off with that kind of an analogy, but

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I can at least imagine how a lot of people in these orders may not take that seriously.

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They think, well, it's just historic or it's symbolic or something like that.

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Nevertheless, now let me get to the point that I have often pondered on is that I feel

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that there is something, there is something at a much higher level that transcends all

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of these cartels, all of these banking structures, all of these political groups.

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There seems to be something that pulls them together that is unseen.

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I don't know what it is.

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It could be exactly what you're talking about.

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I remember being startled by the fact that during the Bolshevik revolution, the Bolsheviks

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were on their way to Russia on a boat and they got stopped in, I mean, the revolutionaries

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were on their way to Russia.

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They got stopped in Fairfax, in Halifax, I'll get it out right, in Halifax up in Canada.

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And they were put in prison because they were known to be going to overthrow a government.

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The records are very clear on it that they got calls from high ranking people in Washington,

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D.C. and I think from France to the authorities there demanding that these men be put back

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on the boat and continued on their way, which they did.

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And there was no explanation as to who these people were that called from New York or France

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and who would they possibly be, what authority could come internationally like that.

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And it had to be something that is unseen.

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And I run into that over and over again in very dynamic points in history where there

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seems to be an unseen force that ties people together.

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And I don't really know what it is, but I think it's worth looking at and questioning

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and researching, maybe we'll find the answer, maybe your answer is correct.

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But I do know this, David, that when it comes push to shove, it doesn't make too much

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difference.

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Regardless of who might be this unseen force bringing it all together, what they are doing

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has to be stopped, regardless of who it is.

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Some people say, well, it's the Masons, some people say it's the Jews, some people

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say it's the Catholics, or now the latest bugaboo, of course, is the Muslims.

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They're behind everything, you know.

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And I think, well, maybe there's some truth to each of those points and some groupings

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and some point in history and all of that.

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But so what?

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What do we do?

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Go out and shoot all those people?

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Or do we get on with the job of dismantling the system of collectivism which they're

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building, dismantling their central banks, dismantling their tools that they're using

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to enslave the rest of the world, regardless of who's behind it.

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So that's where I like to keep my focus is let's get on with the job of taking the power

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away from them, no matter who they are.

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Ed, you wrote about an interesting era in American history where possibly the vice grip

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that the cartel has upon our political system was starting to break.

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I'm specifically talking about the McCarthy era.

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Now, a lot of our people who are going to be watching this, they might not even know

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what a CD is.

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They've been raised in the modern era.

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Communism is a distant memory.

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So who was Senator Joe McCarthy?

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And what was going on with this red scare that was taking place in America at the time?

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Another thing I want you to throw in there is that it says in your biography that you

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were involved in the George Wallace presidential campaign in 1968.

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Now George Wallace's vice presidential candidate was General Curtis LeMay.

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And it says in your biography that you actually worked as a speechwriter for General LeMay.

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Now LeMay was one of the Joint Chiefs of Staff in the Kennedy administration who saw the

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assassination of President John F. Kennedy.

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So I'm curious about how this story of the McCarthy era and the communist scare factors

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in.

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Is there something here that we should know about?

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Or can it all just be dismissed as right wing paranoia?

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The McCarthy era, the era of the when I became aware of what's really going on in the world

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was right in the middle of that.

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It was the 1960s and moved into the 70s and so forth.

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But the viewpoint that I had and those with whom I was working most closely was that

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our primary threat at that time was communism.

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And that's not a popular view today to say, oh well that was just a McCarthy scare.

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There was no real threat.

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It was just they were looking for commies under every bed and so forth.

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And people were having their reputations ruined by being accused of being communist

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and so forth.

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But that's not the whole picture.

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Some of that is true.

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But there's more to it than that.

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As I see it, because I really was in the middle of that at the time, is that there was a

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problem of communism at that time.

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And there was a great deal of infiltration of communist agents, known communist agents,

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the members of the Communist Party USA, who had infiltrated into not only government positions

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but education and the media, all the sensitive choke points in American society.

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They were there.

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McCarthy was right.

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Now, it's hard to defend McCarthy today because it's almost a catchphrase, oh McCarthyite,

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it's synonymous with being some kind of a crazy guy that had no respect for individual

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disagreement or anything like that.

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But the truth is McCarthy was right.

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And the documents have come out since then proving that he was right, but they don't

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get much publicity because we don't want to tamper with the image of McCarthyism,

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meaning some kind of a witch hunt.

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The problem with Joe McCarthy, who was a senator from Wisconsin, is that he didn't really

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understand the media very well.

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And he was a pushover for the media.

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And he would lose his temper on camera.

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And he would say some of the most ridiculous, stupid things, you know, and he really looked

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bad on camera.

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Well, and the media just egged him on and just drew him into those kinds of situations.

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And of course, those are valuable tools if you want to discredit somebody, is just find

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them on camera like I am, saying something that is really bad or stupid.

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And McCarthy gave him plenty of opportunities to do that.

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But the truth of the matter is, and I'll say it again, is that he was right.

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There was a lot of infiltration of communist agents.

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And they were never really, most of them were never really routed out, they were rooted

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out.

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They were still there.

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Now, most of them have died by now.

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And we don't know whether they were replaced by others or not.

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But the real essence to that question lies in the fact that although it was real that

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communism was on the move in those days, not only in the United States, but around the

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world.

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Those of us who were in the forefront of that anti-communist movement were somewhat

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blinded by a very important movement in history that was going on right under our noses and

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we didn't see it.

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And that is that communism is merely one of the manifestations of this deeper thing called

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collectivism.

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And it has other manifestations such as fascism, Nazism, socialism, communism, liberalism,

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all different variants of the same thing, which is really collectivism.

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The philosophy is the same in all of these things.

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And we didn't realize that our own government at that time, which we were fiercely defending,

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was rapidly becoming more and more collectivist itself.

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And under a different label and under the American flag and under these feelings of

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patriotism, it was rapidly evolving into the very thing we were fighting under a different

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name.

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We didn't see it.

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So we were totally over here worried about communists, and we should have been, but

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we weren't worried about the development of the same ideology, not under the name of

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communism, but under the name of Americanism or anti-communism.

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It was being developed right in our own society.

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Well, fortunately, we were able with the passage of time to correct that error, and we now,

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in retrospect, we can see that we were blinded.

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And now our movement is a little more, I think, more well-rounded.

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We can spot collectivism no matter what name it uses.

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And that's a handy talent to have.

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It's a handy experience to have.

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I urge that everybody get used to the idea of quit saying communism, fascism, Nazism,

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socialism, you know, all that stuff, liberalism, republicanism, democraticism, all that.

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Those words mean nothing.

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Get to the core of it, which is collectivism versus individualism.

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I urge everybody to get clear on that, because once they do, then all of these other phrases,

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they kind of fall away.

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They're just labels for pretty much the same thing.

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So I look back on that period of my own involvement, and it was quite a learning experience.

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There were some things I did that I wish I hadn't done because of that blindness that

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I had.

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But I guess it was just part of the learning experience.

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So it's all very welcome.

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And now you mentioned Curtis LeMay, General LeMay.

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It's true.

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That when he was running on the ticket, the political ticket with George Wallace, I volunteered

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to be a speechwriter for him.

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They wanted to pay me.

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You know, there was a nice salary that was being drawn off.

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All these people on these campaign trips make good money while they're on the trip.

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They figured, make it now, because, you know, it'll be a long time before I get another

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assignment like this one.

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But I volunteered to do it for a dollar.

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I said, I'll charge you a dollar.

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And they looked at me like I was crazy.

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And the reason I did it is not because I was a great fan of George Wallace.

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I knew nothing about Curtis LeMay except he was a famous general, head of the Air

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Force, you know, the Strategic Command.

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He was a very famous guy.

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And he was running as the running mate with Wallace.

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And I was enthused because I saw that as any alternative to the old trap of the Republican

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Party and the Democrat Party, that, you know, two branches of the same party.

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I could see even then that that was the wrong way to go.

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So I thought that anything other than that, bad thinking.

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But nevertheless, that's what I was thinking.

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Anything other than that would be worth my support.

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So I volunteered to write speeches for Curtis LeMay.

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And so I traveled around in the cavalcade, you know, and all the police escorts and I

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went from city to city.

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And I wrote a couple of speeches for the general.

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And he never read any of them.

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I worked really hard on those.

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I worked out what I thought was a good foreign policy statement for the United States.

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And I'd say, now this is my speech, General.

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Do you see anything in there that you don't like or we can change or amplify?

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You know, he's, that's good.

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That's good.

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But what would happen, he would get in before the press club or the press conference.

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And these reporters were so good.

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They would, they did the same thing to him.

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They would get him off base simply by, they'd start off with a question like this.

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Well, General LeMay, is it true that you are a racist?

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Well, he's got this speech here about foreign policy.

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And he, no, it's not true.

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I'm a racist.

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Well, how come?

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And then they start, well, so and so says you're a racist or you're supporting George

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Wallace and don't you think that Negroes should have equality?

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And are you against education for black people and all these things?

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And he would, his speech was gone.

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He was off in a defensive mode and he would lose his temper.

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And he just blew it every time.

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So after about, oh, I don't know, three or four weeks, I just said, bye bye.

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I'm going back to, back to California and get back to whatever I have to do.

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So that was my big experience with Curtis LeMay.

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And I didn't know anything about him at the time, except that he was a famous general.

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Ed, what do you think about the idea that the cartel that we've been speaking about

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owns both sides of the conflicts that we see playing out on headlines and the nightly

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news?

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We spoke about the communist Red Scare, the McCarthy era.

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Were these communists actually enemies or is it some form of controlled opposition that

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the same cartel is using to work both sides against the middle to steer society towards

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their collective goal, which as you've been saying is some form of collectivism?

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David, I think both are true.

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I think depending on what circumstance or what event or what period of time we're

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talking about, both of those tactics are being used.

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The old style communist infiltration into the government, you know, where they have

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little cells, actually they call themselves in Washington and they would meet every week,

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in somebody's apartment and they'd drive up separately and park their cars and block

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away so nobody could take their license numbers.

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And it was all very secret and it was real.

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That is not happening anymore.

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That's long gone.

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Most of these people, if they are still members of the communist cabal, they probably are

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not members of the communist party officially.

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They learn that that's silly stuff.

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You don't need to carry a membership card around to do the job, you know.

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So that has changed.

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But what I learned long after those days, as I got deeper into the real involvement

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of our government, is that this other side of collectivism, the so-called right-wing

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side, as opposed to the left-wing side, was growing up around primarily another group

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called the Council on Foreign Relations.

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And it's a very interesting group.

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I know we don't have time for that.

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But it was, they believed pretty much the same as the communists, but they were enemies

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of the communists, primarily because they wanted dominance.

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It's still a war around the world between this left-wing and this right-wing branch

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of collectivism.

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Communism versus what we would call the free world, or what was the free world, has become

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a right-wing philosophical movement, which is almost indistinguishable from the left-wing

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philosophical movement, except they're enemies.

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And they're fighting for dominance, not because they disagree with each other on any major

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principle.

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It's just a question, who's going to be the big cheese?

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That's what it's really all about at the UN.

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That's what it's all about in the United States between the Republicans and the Democrats.

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They agree on all the basic principles.

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Who is going to be the big cheese in the White House and dominate the Congress and

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the Senate and so forth?

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So, anyway, I don't know that that answers your question, but I think that that is the

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thing that people need to focus on, is that there's no difference between right and left.

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They're both variant forms of collectivism.

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And I didn't know that when I first started back in the 1960s.

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I thought we had communism and we had fascism and Nazism, but they were dead because they

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were defeated in war, right?

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So we didn't worry about them anymore.

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And as I said before, I wasn't aware that it was growing right under our noses under

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the name of Americanism.

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Why do you think this cartel would want people to die?

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How could any sane and loving person want to suppress cheap, workable cures for cancer

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like Leotrille?

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Why would they want to send people to their deaths in war?

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And why would they want to have such an iron grip of control over our society?

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Is there some different mentality in this cartel?

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I do think there is quite a different mentality between the dominant members of these various

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cartels and the average citizen.

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But that doesn't mean that the cartel leaders really want people to die in the sense that

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that is their primary motive.

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I look at it this way.

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I think what they really want is power and money.

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And if people have to die in order to achieve that, well then so be it.

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It's too bad.

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It's not that they want them to die, but they're perfectly willing to accept that

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as collateral damage to achieve their real goal, which is this ultimate control and

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power which they fondly call the New World Order.

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So I think that it's just a question of, yes, they're willing to sacrifice lives,

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but that's not their primary goal.

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Now you get into the area where some people are really dominated by this idea of population

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control.

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We have to limit the population, reduce the population.

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And even there I don't see them as saying we want to kill people, but they're very

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adamant about reducing fertility rates and maybe reducing longevity a little bit.

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They don't care if the environment is loaded with toxins.

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They don't care.

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Loading the toxins allows them to, I mean putting toxins into the environment, spraying

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things into the environment, gives them control over weather, for example.

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So they can use that as a warfare weapon.

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Well, it's too bad if people have to get sick, but this is national security now we're

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talking about.

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This is America first now.

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We've got to be militarily strong, and that means we have to control the weather so that

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we can have dominance over other nations.

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If they want to limit the population, the preferred way is to dump fluorides into the

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water system and tell the people it's to prevent cavities so they'll be happy about

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it.

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Knowing full well that the fluoride that goes in there, the primary effect is to reduce

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the fertility rate and reduce the population's ability to reproduce itself and expand.

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All of that means that they do have a different perspective than the average person, but

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I still don't see it as for most of those people.

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I don't see it as that their goal is to kill people and to make them suffer.

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When we think about the idea that the cabal controls the mainstream media, we have to

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relearn everything we thought we knew.

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The people who are being presented as cranks and crackpots, who are supposedly lunatics

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or hotheads, may not actually be so crazy after all.

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And after what you've heard here, I'm sure you can start to see that the same is undoubtedly

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true for Senator Joe McCarthy.

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So this is psychologically overwhelming information.

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The idea that this cartel really exists, the idea that it's spread this far and wide,

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is totally outrageous.

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And in the next episode, we're going to bring it up into the 20th century with the Federal

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Reserve and all of the ways in which the things that we've learned consolidate into what we

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know now.

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It's coming up next time here on Disclosure.

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I'm your host David Wilcock, speaking truth to power and giving power to the truth.