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We've been talking about the incredible arc of information regarding ancient civilizations,

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and although this may seem interesting, there is a linkage point, I believe, between ancient

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civilizations and what's going on right now in today's world with the so-called Illuminati.

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Now, some people don't like the use of that word, but the simple fact is that we can create a

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through line of data showing that there were great secrets kept in the mystery school teachings

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that then were held very highly secretive, and only through initiation were you able to gain

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access to these secrets. Now, these secrets, of course, include the acquisition of power,

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and I'm not just talking about spiritual power, I'm talking about great worldly power. So what

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if a group of people believed that acquiring this power showed that they were essentially

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gods on earth? Well, the guy I'm going to start interviewing in this and a few other episodes is

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G. Edward Griffin. He doesn't get into all that ancient civilization stuff, but I want to bring

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you right up to date by showing you what's going on in the here and now. That's where G. Edward

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Griffin shines, and specifically his book, The Creature from Jekyll Island, is considered the

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defining standard of scholarship on the subject of the Federal Reserve. In fact, the Federal Reserve

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was audited, and it was Representative Ron Paul who had a lot to do with that going through Congress,

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and the result of that audit revealed that around the time of the 2008 financial collapse and bailout,

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that the actual figure of how much money was paid by the Federal Reserve to its own member

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banks was $26 trillion. That's a number that's staggering beyond belief because the entire

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gross domestic product of the entire world is only a little over $60 trillion. So it's almost

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half of all the value of real money in the world that was paid to these too big to fail banks.

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Now when we get into this first round of interviews with G. Edward Griffin, we're not actually talking

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about the Federal Reserve as much. We're talking about his first book called The Fearful Master

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that was an investigation of the United Nations and incredibly treasonous things that, as other

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insiders told me, ultimately led our own U.S. military to realize that the United Nations was

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selling them out, and we were being betrayed, and we were losing soldiers in the Korean War because

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the United Nations was revealing our troop positions. So what we're also going to get into in this

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episode is the cancer cure. Now what do you mean a cure for cancer? What if there's been cures for

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cancer all along? Well that's one of the things that G. Edward Griffin wrote about, and we get

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into this whole concept of the pharmaceutical cartel and the idea that there is an incredible

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amount of money to be made from prescription drugs. So these are the precursor arguments that we

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need to build our way up to discussing the Federal Reserve that we're going to get into in later

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episodes. So I want you to check this out now because G. Edward Griffin is the name that I used

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to see on the internet when I got into all this in the 1990s. Everybody quoted Creature from Jekyll

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Island. His book is loaded with documentation, loaded with references. I consider him to be the

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gold standard by which all Federal Reserve scholars are judged, so let's check it out. Your first book

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from 1964, The Fearful Master, specifically went in and exposed very dark stuff going on with the

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United Nations. Most people say, well the United Nations is a good organization. It's promoting

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world peace. Your viewpoint was very different than that. So somewhere along the way, the romantic

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fascination with the mainstream view and the way that most people see things must have broken for

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you. There must have been some decisive point when you realize that things aren't working out the way

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they should. So how do we start out in discussing the United Nations, the first book that you wrote,

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and what led you to want to investigate this subject? How did you find out about this?

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I began to become aware of other things that were contrary to my prior education, let's call it that.

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I was going to call it indoctrination, and maybe that is a better word, but nevertheless,

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my experience, my exposure. And I ran into the topic of the United Nations.

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And I heard this fellow, Robert Welch, he was the founder of the John Birch Society, and I saw a film

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of him, a 16 millimeter film, in which he was ranting on about, this is no good, and that's

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terrible, and we got a problem here, and none of these things rang a bell with me. I thought,

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this guy is off his rocker, you know. And when he came to the United Nations and said

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negative things about that, I thought, well, this is a bad man. He doesn't know what he's talking

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about, because I went to school, and I learned that the United Nations was our last best hope

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for peace, right? So how could you dare criticize this? I mean, they feed little children, and they

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prevent yaws, and other dread diseases, and they're humanitarians, right?

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The airport in Katanga remains under heavy UN guard as war rages in and around Elizabethville.

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The newest conflict in the Congo began after the Security Council adopted a resolution

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calling for the use of force, if necessary, to oust mercenaries from the secessionist province.

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It is in this war-torn area that the United Nations faces a grave challenge to its effectiveness.

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The United States is giving both moral and material backing to the effort to ensure the Congo

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a peaceful future. So anyway, but he got to me, and I remember, I think it was the next day,

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coming back to the insurance office, I always passed by the main library for Los Angeles.

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Never went in there before, but this day I said, I'm going to go in there and see what I can find

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on the UN, and check this guy out, see if he's right. So, to make a long story short, I did go

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in there and I went to the international affairs part of the library, and I found five or six books

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on the UN, and blow me down, they all confirmed what this man Welch had said, but not directly,

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because they were all written from a favorable point of view. They were written by people who

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were either employed by the UN or from the State Department which created the UN, or some, you know,

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supporter of the UN. But if you, once you had the information that I heard from this film,

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as a possible template to hold up, to evaluate what was being written in these books, I could see,

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how? That's just another way of saying the same thing, and it was really confirmed. Well, that

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really got to me, and I said, I'm really kind of ticked off about this, because why didn't

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people tell me about this? So that's when I discovered that I have kind of a crusader

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spirit, instinct, I guess. I always want to, you know, defend the underdog, and I think a lot of

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people are like that, and I think young people especially are like that, but as they get older,

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they kind of get over it, you know, whether it's not the way the real world runs, and so anyway,

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I never got over it, I guess, because that's when it first hit me that I really had to do something

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about this terrible myth about the United Nations. I had to let people know what I had just learned.

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Okay, so that's the smoke, but where is the fire? What I really want to know here is, what was the

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knife in your heart, that decisive moment that just made you see the United Nations for what you

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came to see it as being? What was that moment for you? We were told by newspaper accounts and

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news accounts on television and radio that the UN was in there to restore peace and to put

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down rebellion and to put down chaos and, you know, restore law and order to save all these

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poor people who were losing their property, losing their lives, and having to flee in terror

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to get out of the Congo, and when I actually got to the first-hand accounts of what was happening,

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written by people who were there, and some of them, interestingly enough, written by United

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Nations people who were running the show, boasting about what they were doing, I realized that they

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were there not to restore peace and tranquility to the overall Congo, because there was one

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province in the Congo called Katanga, which already had peace and tranquility. They're the ones that

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said, no, we're seceding from chaos. That was the phrase that Mois Shambé used. He said,

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we are seceding from chaos. Shambé has declared that to keep Katanga free,

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his people have poisoned arrows and spears ready to make up for Shorty DeVar.

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And so he declared independence of his province from the rest of the Congo. The Congo was seething

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in violence and destruction, but Katanga was a little island of tranquility and prosperity.

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So where did the UN go? To Katanga. They attacked Katanga militarily to bring it back under the

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control of the larger Congo, which was dominated by communists. And when I realized the reality

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of what was happening and compared that to the myth that was perpetuated through our media,

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I was outraged. And that was the knife that you refer to in my heart. And so from that point

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forward, I was through, I was sunk. I had to do something about this. And one discovery led to

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another and then to another. You know, it's like, once you realize that maybe not everything is

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hunky dory, and the way you've been taught to believe, once you have the ability to question

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these things, it's amazing how many other things you see as being in violation of truth and justice.

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So that was how it all began. And it's been getting worse ever since.

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Let's talk a little about Nazi Germany and specifically the largest industrial conglomerate

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that you say in your book has ever existed on earth, known as IG Farben. You make some very

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surprising connections between IG Farben and what now is the modern day pharmaceutical industry.

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So I'm curious about how this all fits together. Could you please tell us a little bit about

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Nazi Germany, IG Farben, the industrial conglomerate and pharmaceuticals?

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Well, isn't that an interesting topic. And I have to give you a little backstory on that too. I

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hope you have enough chip in the camera to record all of this. Maybe it'll wind up in the cutting

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room floor, I hope. But anyway, backstories to me are very important. Because when I started

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to do research on cancer therapy, which is another one of those outrageous fields where

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the truth is really concealed from the public. And I was really in crusader mode on that.

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I was getting a lot of information from scientific people, from doctors and researchers

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and theorists, academics and so forth about the nature of cancer, the biological forces and the

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biochemical pathways and so forth. And I was totally focused on the science of cancer therapy.

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And one of the leaders in that field of alternative therapies and using things like Laiotril and other

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non-toxic natural remedies, who was gaining a lot of support and making great headway in curing

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cancer at a much higher rate than orthodox medicine. One of those men was a friend of mine

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with the name of John Richardson, who was an MD in the San Francisco area. And he and I would

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confer a lot and he was teaching me a lot about what I needed to know from a technical side.

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But his office manager, Ralph Bowman, was a funny little guy. I loved Ralph. He always seemed like

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his mind was elsewhere into bigger things, you know. And sometimes you felt like, hey, Ralph,

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come on back to the conversation, you know. Well, one of these bigger things that Ralph was into

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and he felt that I needed to know about was IG Farben. He says, Ed, if you're going to do this,

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you need to know about this German chemical cartel. And I remember thinking to myself,

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Ralph, go away. No, I'm talking about cancer. I don't want to know about Germany and the Nazis.

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He said, all of this. I just focus on cancer, okay? No, you're making big mistakes.

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So he kept loading me up with books and books. And I really didn't want to read them because I

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thought it was a waste of time. But once I started, I was hooked. I realized, oh my gosh,

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Ralph is right. This all goes back. This is bigger than the science. And then in that stage of

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research that I realized that the story about cancer is divided into two parts. There's the

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science of cancer therapy and the politics of cancer therapy or the economics. You might throw

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that in there. And of the two, the science is real easy. It's very simple. It's provable. It's

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a slam dunk thing. But the reason nobody knows about that is because of the other side of the

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picture is the politics, the economics, the cash flow, the profit motive, the

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corporatism that's involved. Prior to World War II in Germany, there was a cartel,

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which means a grouping, an association of competing companies, at least on the surface,

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they're competing, but they come together to minimize their competition, to reduce their

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competition. And eventually, if they can come to enough agreements, they eliminate the competition,

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even though they're independent corporations, they work in perfect lockstep. And the object,

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of course, is to avoid competition so they won't have to reduce prices or compete for better

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products or whatever. They just sort of agree, okay, guys, this is what we're all going to do.

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And there will be no competition between us. So our profit margins can be a little higher that way.

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And part of that story is that we have to make sure that nobody else gets into the field.

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So that's what cartels always do, is set about to create regulations which keep newcomers out.

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I discovered that for the first time in researching IG Farben, because in Germany,

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that was really the granddaddy of all of the cartels. All of the great corporations of the

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world, including in the United States, by World War II had created cartel agreements between

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themselves. They were layered. It was almost like the whole world was one giant corporation.

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And we see that even more on the surface today. But back at World War II, it was not so visible.

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And that's what Ralph Bowman wanted me to see in those early days. And it was all there,

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but it wasn't so visible as it is today. So IG Farben was the origin of the medication industry,

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the pharmaceutical industry was an outgrowth of all of that. And today, the significance of that

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is that when you look at the giant pharmaceutical industry, it's a cartel. They all work together.

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They compete, yes, they have different products, but they all work together to make sure that

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the prices for their products are all within the same range. And they sort of divide up

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categories, in some cases even regions. And they share patents and processes. And they

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actually work basically as one huge corporation. And it's important to know that. If you're going

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to understand why it is that your doctor does not know about the latest treatments for some disease,

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especially if those treatments do not come from the cartel. See, now we're getting back to where

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we started. And this is the reason Bowman wanted me to take this trip. It's so that,

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and after you do take the trip, you're finally able to answer the question, why is it if this

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is true, if there is a control for cancer, how come I can't get it? How come my doctor can't offer

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it to me? How come it's not available in my hospital? And until you know about this other

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side of the story, the cartels, and how they do control the industries that they dominate,

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and control what products are available and at what price, and all of that, until you know that,

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then there's no believable answer to the question. Everybody says, well, it can't be true because

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otherwise my doctor would know about it. So that's where the significance of IG Farben fits into all

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of this. How do we prove to people who are going to be watching this video and think that you're a

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dottering old man who's crazy, that what you're saying is actually true? It's always hard for

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people to, let's say, change their views on something important. If that view is reinforced

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by authority or consensus, there's a great comfort for us to feel, well, everybody knows this,

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or everybody believes this, and I believe this, therefore I'm in the majority, and therefore

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it must be right. I hope, hope, hope. So I understand why people might laugh at some of

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these ideas the first time they hear them. As a matter of fact, I laughed at them. The first time

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I heard from Ralph Bowman and others, you know, on various things that there was a control for cancer,

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from my friend Dr. Richardson said, hey, we're curing cancer with something that comes from nature.

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You can get it from an apricot seed. I said, aw, come on, you're pulling my leg. You know,

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I didn't laugh at him, but I knew that couldn't be true. Well, it didn't take long. I found it is

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true, and so I understand, and there are probably things in all of our paths ahead of this where

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we're going to stumble across something and we'll say, well, we hear somebody's view and we'll say,

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they're crazy, you know, and we're going to find out, we're going to be humbled. A few years later,

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we're going to look back and say, no, I was the crazy one. He was right. So I don't know. Your

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question is, how do I answer people like that? Well, I don't really answer them. I'll just

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suggest that they take a look at the evidence and back off and not be so quick to judge. Take a look

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at the evidence. That's all. That's all I can say. So let me point out one thing. What would happen

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to the profits of the pharmaceutical industry if the average person knew that they could cure

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their cancer with vitamin B-17 or Latril that can be derived out of apricot kernels? What would

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that do to the bottom line of the pharmaceutical cartel that we've been discussing? Well, it would

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destroy the cartel. If people understood that they could control not only cancer, but most of these

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dread chronic metabolic diseases. By that I mean they're not infectious diseases. You don't catch

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it from somebody. They just grow out of the body's deterioration in some way. Most of those,

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if they knew that they could be controlled through therapies that are outside of mainstream medicine

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and also therapies which are relatively inexpensive and in some cases totally free.

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Totally free. I mean, this is outrageous. How can you run a multi-billion dollar cancer

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cure industry if the therapies are free? You see? So what would that do to them? Well, of course,

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it would put them out of business. And you know they're not going to stand by and allow that to

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happen. This does not mean, David, that there are people standing over there and in these industries

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saying, yeah, we know that there's a control for cancer that doesn't cost a lot of money, but we're

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going to push ours anyway because we want to make the profit and the heck with all these people. Let

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them die. Let them suffer. They don't do that. There may be some that do, but I don't think many

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of them do. Maybe at the top, but the practicing physicians, the people in the hospitals, in the

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clinics, the people delivering what they consider to be life-saving drugs and so forth, even though

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they're not, but they think they are. They're all well-intentioned people, but they are dependent

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upon this industry. And so there's an instinctive reaction to support the industry that supports

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them. You know, I know of people in my personal experience who are very good people. They're

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ethical people, high-minded people, and they're working for evil corporations, and they know it,

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but they don't like to think about it because it's their job. And they never said, yeah,

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I'm working for evil, but I don't care because I put money ahead of principle. They don't do that.

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But at the subconscious level, they are saying, well, this is my job, and if I don't have this job,

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I can't feed my family. Therefore, I'll do the best I can in the spot where I am. And I think

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this is the explanation for 99% of the people trapped in this environment, where they are

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working for institutions and corporations, which are not very ethical. How does IG Farben

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morph into the modern pharmaceutical industry? What's the through line on that?

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I don't know that I'm aware of the through line, except to say that after World War II,

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a lot of those corporations were broken up and legally broken up. But you know how

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the lawyers and financiers are. They can put structures together that are not so obvious.

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They can use street names. They can use subsidiaries. They can use all kinds of

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legal and financial relationships that are not obvious to people like you and me to

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continue the operation. They say the Standard Oil was broken up, for example. But we know that,

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you know, technically it's broken up. You can show an organizational chart with two tops at it.

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But what they don't show is the invisible connection between the two tops, which is at

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the board of directors level and the institutional investment level. So I'm sure that the

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cartel continues on this more subtle basis. But we do know that it's real. And it's not necessary

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for us to be able to trace the connections and say, well, this is the corporate relationship and

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so forth. All we know is that it's a cartel. That's obvious on the surface of it. And that's

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really all we need to know. Well, I understand that for some people this is going to be disturbing

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material. For other people, this is going to be, oh, yeah, we already knew all that stuff.

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The important part here is that if cheap and effective cures for cancer already exist,

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and there is this industrial conglomerate that has formed what we were warned about, the military

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industrial complex by Eisenhower, then we should take this seriously. And that's what this show is

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about. Disclosure is about speaking truth to power and giving power to the truth. We'll see you next time.